I’ve got the V11 and love the range, but the suspension has many many issues. I also have the S18 and LOVE the suspension, it’s buttery smooth, but wish it had more range. S22 on order, hope it’s the best of both worlds. Thanks for the review Adam!
Motor “rattling sound” is actually just electrical/magnet feedback when under heavy amp load. You find/hear that more on KS wheels than on Hotways....as KS motor firmware is trimmed more for torque than for highspeed on the HW...or Begode. As you mentioned...for a 3p 18inch wheel the agility is pretty outstanding.
@@Cons2911 Depends on the use that you want it. I am very satisfied with S18 as a first wheel... it covers my needs and im not a fast rider... i cruise with 30-35km/h (20-22miles) even though the wheel's limit is 50km/h (31miles). If you want more range and speed, you better look elsewhere. In about a year from now i plan to get the S20, but until then.... the S18 is solid for me.
@@Cons2911 Before i get a wheel.. i was between the Sherman and the S18... and i was leaning towards the Sherman for 1st wheel... but finally it happened and i got the S18... after i tried to ride it for the 1st time... i said to myself, "Thank God, i didnt get the Sherman"... it was difficult for me to learn to ride... Other people though, get a Sherman or any other Big Wheel for 1st wheel.. and they do fine with that... it all depends on the person.
Well.. actually you can fix that wiggle trolley handle with sticky tapes..just have it round 3-4 wraps on the rods where the handle attaches..can also use this trick for the lower parts of the rods where it also wiggles when pull out, but not too much wraps though..
Nice to hear THE BEST SUSPENSION wheel of time. Man the way you use/abuse your wheels if it has lasted you this far, keeping my riding style in mind, it will last me forever, I can even pass it to my grandkids as inheritance
keep in mind that you are an advanced rider, As a beginner Ive had my S18 for several months, I can get easily 45 miles on a charge as i only ride 15 MPH for safety concerns, the two big factors is the suspension and its weight which is only 48 lbs compared to 60 on a V11. It is a Great wheel especially for a first wheel, great videos, Thanks
Makes terrific sense to me. I've been going back and worth on what to buy and realistically speaking even on my electric scooters I very rarely am staying at speeds over 20 MPH, maybe a burst here and there to higher speeds but cruising is always 20 or less. I guess if your a TH-cam EUC salesman you might need to go faster or further.
Dude, you have a long reach. (No, that isn't what she said. LOL!) I just went on my very first group PEV ride here in New York City, USA, and when we had a minute, all a few of us did was talk about how awesome you are. Keep up the great work Adam 👍🏼😀
If you haven't rode a s18 with the pedals in the upper position I recommend trying it. Since I raised my pedals my s18 handles better & I scrape the pedals less.
Great review! have you heard back from the latest batch late 2023 with new motor /molicell? I’m wondering if they heard your comments and fixed some errors of the first generations
Wow, that's a lot of damage to the bottom. I thought of that in your earlier videos riding near rocks. I made a lower skid plate for mine using 1/2 inch white nylon plastic aligned with holes for the suspension tubes and held on with small ty-wraps. I heated the forward edge up a bit to help it skip over rocks. I can only imagine that damaging those tubes would make disassembly difficult. I used a two inch with strip of nylon and shaped it smaller at both ends. I also added a small width extension under the peddle supports.
I haven't ridden mine sitting 🤣, but I'm new to euc's, my s18 barely had 45km. For us beginners, the s18 has been a dream. I too noticed the issue with the padding making my upper leg hurt. I thought I would just get used to it over time
I watch your s18 videos very closely as this is the wheel that I am looking at for my second wheel. I currently ride a 16s and I love it. Its my daily ride plus I've put it and myself though thier paces off-road. So I'm thinking this would be the perfect step into suspension wheels. I've tried the V11 but feel they are too tall for me. Overall at the 600km review I feel you were very happy with the wheel but not so much at the 1000km review. Do you think that only owning a16s and having an s18 would be a good combo
I’m an e scooter rider, Apollo city pro 22, who is now considering an euc. Important for me is urban commuting, not adventure riding. Comfort on old man knees (hence my interest in suspensions), practical range (40 miles min) so i get home, weight (i live in a 3 story walk up (sub 50 lbs), and finally an ip rating for rain and occasional washing.
I really like the suspension on this wheel. But I’m looking for a little more performance so I think I’m going to get the Gotway RS high torque instead.
Thank you for this review. It is very informative. I just got noticed that my ks-18 has been delivered. I am surprised that it took 6 months from the order to delivery though. The seller had to get it from the factory. 😭🤦♂️
Hi Adam, love the vids. One more thing I just learned on s18. Just got a 2023 one, went to make pedals higher but can't now because they now have a hollow motor and the mount won't slide to top holes as it hits the hollow motor mount now.
I love a boring ride. Uneventful, casual, comfortable are my favorite words for a vehicle, except when i used to ride rice burners. I’m unfortunately 74 now. Enjoy and be safe everyone.
I just received mine a week ago as first wheel. I’m picking it up pretty quick but the wheel gets some death wobble at about 23mph. I didn’t fall but it freaked me out a bit. From what I’ve read in forums it comes down to riding technique and should get better with time.
You will get use to it and it won't happen. I'm just guessing but i get wobbles when slowing down. and the best way i can suggest to stop wobble while getting them is to lean forward/ accelerate. and the wobble should correct it self almost instantly. hope that helps!
In my transition to a 20" wheel I too experienced the death wobble . Your mind / body will adjust for this . The correct tire pressure is very important as well . For me , 30#s works . I have an idea why this helps but that is for another post . Keep riding and it will happen as if by magic. I really love this KS S18 . The only problem is this wheel works so well for me that I don't need to upgrade to the S20 . Very unfortunate 💪
@@raymondolson5444 after a lot more ride time I don’t experience it much now and agree lower tire pressure helps. I like a bit higher pressure, around 39#s when I want a bit more agility at slower speeds though. My local group mainly likes to do long high speed rides unfortunately and the S18 isn’t the best choice for that but it handles mountain bike trails quite well. I’ve gone up some pretty steep stuff and was really surprised how well it did.
@wrong way! that a thing like "cut off´s" are still an issue with this vehicles tells me whoever is building them seems to give a shit about good and correct installed electronics < as if they are done correctly things like a cut off should not be able to happen at all.
Adam, Could you please provide a link for those pedals. I've searched the web and am unable to locate. The standard factory pedals are crap after 350+ miles. Thank you!
What is the pedal width at Its front end? Or distance from the shell to the outer edge of the pedal. Not sure if there is a gap between shell and the inner edge
I thought the suspension on that wheel was for off road use. Wouldn’t it be improved with a knobby tire? I’m considering this as an upgrade wheel for off road! 👍☮️🌞
I like the s18 more than the v11 (both are nice), and this is just based on watching, I don't own either yet. Susp I believe is better in s18 but that noise when jumping, the v11 I think is not noisy
Hey Adam o/ What version/batch is your KS S18? Im asking due to the suspension sound, as I thought that was fixed on the newer ones. Also, what do I look for when buying a new S18 in regards to what batch im ordering. Ofc I want the newest one, but hard to tell the difference when just looking on the websites. Thanks for your videos man ;)
Just look at the tyre. If its the new tyre. Youre getting the newest batch. The new tyre looks more grippy. The old one looks like an ordinary road tyre.
that zipping sound is the shock, can't get rid of that sound completly and the screeching might be sliders, i've noticed that dust caps are not in place. i use liquid silicon spray on sliders, handle and shock, but with shock it's better to disassemble it, clean it, clean O-rings, put some silicon grease on them and pour a bit of suspension fluid like 15wt on the piston, and ultimately replace the shock upside down, so you don't have to use the brick to pump it every time
It looks like Adam was paid to use and praise KS S18 model and change his previous negative judgments about the s18 by 180 degrees. It looks like all has its price,
I dont think that wheels without a speaker is a bad thing at all although nice, but one thing that should be on all EUC's at this point is a 12v horn, in fact any type of transport vehicle or device that travels faster than a bicycle should be fitted with a horn, the horn should also be connected to a bluetooth module so it can be controller via a flic button in EUC world.
The kingsong app for my 16s has a horn button but using your mobile while riding is a very expensive fine here in Australia so I carry a cheap light/horn thing from Ali express with a wired remote switch. Works a treat
Well said Adam 👍 I love the comfort and fun factor of this wheel. If only I had your ride skills 🙂
I ordered some Mono Customize side pads for my S18
Love the outright honesty on the wheel with the pro's and cons. Thanks for sharing :)
I’ve got the V11 and love the range, but the suspension has many many issues. I also have the S18 and LOVE the suspension, it’s buttery smooth, but wish it had more range. S22 on order, hope it’s the best of both worlds. Thanks for the review Adam!
Motor “rattling sound” is actually just electrical/magnet feedback when under heavy amp load.
You find/hear that more on KS wheels than on Hotways....as KS motor firmware is trimmed more for torque than for highspeed on the HW...or Begode. As you mentioned...for a 3p 18inch wheel the agility is pretty outstanding.
So this sound is not a problem?
Just a characteristic/feature of the wheel?
Great Review!!! After lots of digging in EUC wheels.. this will be my first wheel... now i just have to save money to buy a 2nd hand S18:)
This is my first EUC too. I would never ever buy an EUC without a shock control.
I should get my ks-18 next week.
How did you guys liked it? Any issues? Looking to get an euc and liking this one
@@Cons2911 Depends on the use that you want it.
I am very satisfied with S18 as a first wheel... it covers my needs and im not a fast rider... i cruise with 30-35km/h (20-22miles) even though the wheel's limit is 50km/h (31miles).
If you want more range and speed, you better look elsewhere.
In about a year from now i plan to get the S20, but until then.... the S18 is solid for me.
@@v4v777 I'm new so speed and distance won't be a factor in quite a while
@@Cons2911 Before i get a wheel.. i was between the Sherman and the S18... and i was leaning towards the Sherman for 1st wheel... but finally it happened and i got the S18... after i tried to ride it for the 1st time... i said to myself,
"Thank God, i didnt get the Sherman"... it was difficult for me to learn to ride...
Other people though, get a Sherman or any other Big Wheel for 1st wheel.. and they do fine with that... it all depends on the person.
Well.. actually you can fix that wiggle trolley handle with sticky tapes..just have it round 3-4 wraps on the rods where the handle attaches..can also use this trick for the lower parts of the rods where it also wiggles when pull out, but not too much wraps though..
The best camera operator is back! 🥰 I have become unemployed! 😭😁❤️ ❤️❤️⚡⚡⚡
Your "weeee" is the best👍😆
I like how at 12:43 you are simultaneously riding forwards and backwards, I think that is the definition of the wrong way to ride 😂
Holy fuck. That is true. 😂👍
Nice to hear THE BEST SUSPENSION wheel of time. Man the way you use/abuse your wheels if it has lasted you this far, keeping my riding style in mind, it will last me forever, I can even pass it to my grandkids as inheritance
Yah. He really pushes to the limits.
keep in mind that you are an advanced rider, As a beginner Ive had my S18 for several months, I can get easily 45 miles on a charge as i only ride 15 MPH for safety concerns, the two big factors is the suspension and its weight which is only 48 lbs compared to 60 on a V11. It is a Great wheel especially for a first wheel, great videos, Thanks
Makes terrific sense to me. I've been going back and worth on what to buy and realistically speaking even on my electric scooters I very rarely am staying at speeds over 20 MPH, maybe a burst here and there to higher speeds but cruising is always 20 or less. I guess if your a TH-cam EUC salesman you might need to go faster or further.
V11 is 60lbs? Thats heavy, another reason I'm leaning towards v11.
For the s18
Weird I'm seeing 48 for s18 but also seeing others say it'd 55lbs
Hi Adam, so glad to see you enjoying the S18 and getting the most out of it. KS184Life!
Dude, you have a long reach. (No, that isn't what she said. LOL!) I just went on my very first group PEV ride here in New York City, USA, and when we had a minute, all a few of us did was talk about how awesome you are. Keep up the great work Adam 👍🏼😀
Awwww so wholesome! :))) cheers and thank you!
If you haven't rode a s18 with the pedals in the upper position I recommend trying it. Since I raised my pedals my s18 handles better & I scrape the pedals less.
how do you put the pedals in the upper position?
Amazing! Review man. My son and I love your channel.
Great review! have you heard back from the latest batch late 2023 with new motor /molicell? I’m wondering if they heard your comments and fixed some errors of the first generations
Wow, that's a lot of damage to the bottom. I thought of that in your earlier videos riding near rocks. I made a lower skid plate for mine using 1/2 inch white nylon plastic aligned with holes for the suspension tubes and held on with small ty-wraps. I heated the forward edge up a bit to help it skip over rocks. I can only imagine that damaging those tubes would make disassembly difficult. I used a two inch with strip of nylon and shaped it smaller at both ends. I also added a small width extension under the peddle supports.
Adam is a well known abuser of wheels :-) I enjoy mine on rocky trails and so far no damage.
Love my ks-18!
I haven't ridden mine sitting 🤣, but I'm new to euc's, my s18 barely had 45km. For us beginners, the s18 has been a dream. I too noticed the issue with the padding making my upper leg hurt. I thought I would just get used to it over time
I watch your s18 videos very closely as this is the wheel that I am looking at for my second wheel. I currently ride a 16s and I love it. Its my daily ride plus I've put it and myself though thier paces off-road. So I'm thinking this would be the perfect step into suspension wheels. I've tried the V11 but feel they are too tall for me.
Overall at the 600km review I feel you were very happy with the wheel but not so much at the 1000km review. Do you think that only owning a16s and having an s18 would be a good combo
I’m an e scooter rider, Apollo city pro 22, who is now considering an euc. Important for me is urban commuting, not adventure riding. Comfort on old man knees (hence my interest in suspensions), practical range (40 miles min) so i get home, weight (i live in a 3 story walk up (sub 50 lbs), and finally an ip rating for rain and occasional washing.
Great video! I always enjoy watching! Thanks.
And of course good mention S18 + Sherman :D
I really like the suspension on this wheel. But I’m looking for a little more performance so I think I’m going to get the Gotway RS high torque instead.
0:01 piękna ta nasza Polska xD
Great video! I also was thinking to get this wheel but gonna wait to see the v12
Strange thinking, those two wheels are completely different !!!
I assumed the V12 will have suspension but ...uh-uh, nope.
Great vid - thanks for reviewing this wheel again.
Thank you for this review. It is very informative.
I just got noticed that my ks-18 has been delivered. I am surprised that it took 6 months from the order to delivery though. The seller had to get it from the factory. 😭🤦♂️
16:56 wtf is that sign? 😂😂😂 They have a sense of humor
I think it's sexist that there is not a female version of the sign too 😂
Is that a threat with the scissors to cut something off?
That's a nice calculator man.
Hi Adam, love the vids. One more thing I just learned on s18. Just got a 2023 one, went to make pedals higher but can't now because they now have a hollow motor and the mount won't slide to top holes as it hits the hollow motor mount now.
Have you noticed any improvement with the change of motor ? Range, torque? Shell quality ? Thanks
I love a boring ride. Uneventful, casual, comfortable are my favorite words for a vehicle, except when i used to ride rice burners. I’m unfortunately 74 now. Enjoy and be safe everyone.
The "wees" were the best ahaha. Great video, super stoked to see your updated review on it. \
hey, I like the poster right behind you at 17:00
I just received mine a week ago as first wheel. I’m picking it up pretty quick but the wheel gets some death wobble at about 23mph. I didn’t fall but it freaked me out a bit. From what I’ve read in forums it comes down to riding technique and should get better with time.
You will get use to it and it won't happen. I'm just guessing but i get wobbles when slowing down. and the best way i can suggest to stop wobble while getting them is to lean forward/ accelerate. and the wobble should correct it self almost instantly. hope that helps!
In my transition to a 20" wheel I too experienced the death wobble .
Your mind / body will adjust for this . The correct tire pressure is very important as well . For me , 30#s works . I have an idea why this helps but that is for another post .
Keep riding and it will happen as if by magic.
I really love this KS S18 . The only problem is this wheel works so well for me that I don't need to upgrade to the S20 . Very unfortunate 💪
@@raymondolson5444 after a lot more ride time I don’t experience it much now and agree lower tire pressure helps. I like a bit higher pressure, around 39#s when I want a bit more agility at slower speeds though. My local group mainly likes to do long high speed rides unfortunately and the S18 isn’t the best choice for that but it handles mountain bike trails quite well. I’ve gone up some pretty steep stuff and was really surprised how well it did.
So much information, thank you for sharing. Question though, would that king song be good for a first timer?
There are very nice pads and saddle for s18
Hey where did you find those pedals? I can't find any aftermarket pedals for my s18.
Chris Chaput sells very nice spiked pedals for the S18
I've seen his work, it's superb! I'm looking for spiked skeleton pedals. I ride off road a lot & need pedals that allow debris to fall through.
Mine are available on hulaj.market:)
@@mr_wrongway Do you have a link Adam ? Not finding it....
@@mr_wrongway Thanks for the info, unfortunately their s18 pedals are out of stock. 😣
I really like the poster which in the subway :)
Hi Adam, going downstairs sounds like the screwheads of suspension and/or the zylinder are still hitting the mud guard.
@wrong way!
that a thing like "cut off´s" are still an issue with this vehicles tells me whoever is building them seems to give a shit about good and correct installed electronics < as if they are done correctly things like a cut off should not be able to happen at all.
Boring is good. I need to get to the bus.
I told Chat GPT what m requirements and budget was and it said Kingsong S18.
How good is that?
Waiting for my Ks s18 :)
*we really need XS18.*
Adam, Could you please provide a link for those pedals. I've searched the web and am unable to locate. The standard factory pedals are crap after 350+ miles. Thank you!
Did you find 'em yet?
I'm digging through the comments trying to figure out what pedals these are. Looks like he has these on other wheels too..
Found em. NYLONOVE pedals
seems more dangerous than cycling due to the protection gear?
What is the pedal width at Its front end? Or distance from the shell to the outer edge of the pedal.
Not sure if there is a gap between shell and the inner edge
Hi Adam - don't suppose you held onto the NyloNove S18 footplates when you sold your wheel?
Hola, cuando la suspensión hace tope a cuantos centímetros se quedan los pedales del suelo, gracias.
I thought the suspension on that wheel was for off road use. Wouldn’t it be improved with a knobby tire? I’m considering this as an upgrade wheel for off road! 👍☮️🌞
Nice!
What is the pedal? Where can I get that?
Is this the 2200w motor power or the 1100w one? I ask because the site says 100km instead of the 45km you stated.
Is there a way to get rid of coil whine? I’ve got it on brand new S18 (3rd batch)
I like the s18 more than the v11 (both are nice), and this is just based on watching, I don't own either yet.
Susp I believe is better in s18 but that noise when jumping, the v11 I think is not noisy
Czy to normalne, zawieszenie tak głośno pracuje? Czy warto kupić to kółko? Czy lepiej tesla 100v?
Did you raise pedals already? Was damage to bottom before or after raising pedals?
Id love to use this but is it legal?
I would really like this wheel. Smaller range/ top speed would not bother me.
Do you regret your purchase? What would be your alternative choice?
Hey Adam o/ What version/batch is your KS S18? Im asking due to the suspension sound, as I thought that was fixed on the newer ones.
Also, what do I look for when buying a new S18 in regards to what batch im ordering. Ofc I want the newest one, but hard to tell the difference when just looking on the websites.
Thanks for your videos man ;)
Just look at the tyre. If its the new tyre. Youre getting the newest batch. The new tyre looks more grippy. The old one looks like an ordinary road tyre.
"Really slow" @ 6:15 - what do you mean - how fast/slow?
I do wish it had just 10km more in range and speed.
How long does it take to learn riding euc?
Hi. Which one do you think is best for a newbie, KS S18 or Begode Tesla V3? In terms of no experience, specs and quality. Thanks in advance.
Ks S18 for sure. Suspension helps a lot.
@@nocturnal5123 thanks bro.
I cant find the S 18 on Aliexpress anymore. Do they still sell it?
King Song doesn’t allow AliExpress seller to sell their wheels. Only through distributors
@@mr_wrongway Thanks for the fast reply. Seems King Kong has changed his mind!? The presell for the S 20 is available on Aliexpress.
Yey!
Where does one obtain those pedals?
Can you just oil it up so it stops squeaking? WD40 or something similar?
that zipping sound is the shock, can't get rid of that sound completly
and the screeching might be sliders, i've noticed that dust caps are not in place.
i use liquid silicon spray on sliders, handle and shock, but with shock it's better to disassemble it,
clean it, clean O-rings, put some silicon grease on them and pour a bit of suspension fluid like 15wt on the piston,
and ultimately replace the shock upside down, so you don't have to use the brick to pump it every time
What model should I buy? I'm a beginner looking for an affordable and safe EUC
Did you end up getting one? I am about to. I'm stuck.... I've probably watched about 50 hours worth of videos on it. Let me know what you think.
Link for spike pedal for S18?
I have V11 and it gives me zero fun factor... should I consider to change it to S18?
Yup if you don’t need the extra range or top speed
So.. s18 or v11?
Love those pedals, how can they be had
They are available at hulaj.market - nylonove pedals
Tesla is visible everywhere in the background 🙂
That’s Kate’s Tesla :)
Its an easter egg :D
@@katharinaf2162 it was and still is my favorite wheel
Nylonova bloody well rules. Very good product.
Where can i find them
@@Deuce_Allan EUCservice of Poland or facebook or instagram or hulajmarked -great product... (google it)
For me the perfect combo will be the V11 and Sherman. I'm getting my Sherman in a couple of weeks. V11 for comfort, Sherman for range. Perfecto.
We are doing a protest ride in Rotterdam in May. I will take my Veteran Sherman with me.
16:58 wtf is that sign? nvm...
Link for pedals?
hulaj.market
lol, it sounds like an old squeaky bed
6 things to know!!!
Wobble wobble wobble wobble wobble wobble XD
Recorded with a calculator. Hahaha
very good calculator :D
It looks like Adam was paid to use and praise KS S18 model and change his previous negative judgments about the s18 by 180 degrees. It looks like all has its price,
Not true! I paid with my own monies for the S18! I still think some things suck but some thing are just outstanding!
Given that first batch of S18s did not work of the shelf, negative judgement is kind of expected. But when fixed, S18 suspension is godsend.
dude lying, sitting on that shit is uncomfortable and we saw that.
Szkoda ze nie po Polsku
Tesla T3 >>> S18
Main Land Chinese quality very Poor Rating,
its like porsche; looks good, fun, not for daily use and constantly maintenance issues.
Adam, one of those who felt in love for S18.
May I join this gang from France ?
Oui
I dont think that wheels without a speaker is a bad thing at all although nice, but one thing that should be on all EUC's at this point is a 12v horn, in fact any type of transport vehicle or device that travels faster than a bicycle should be fitted with a horn, the horn should also be connected to a bluetooth module so it can be controller via a flic button in EUC world.
The kingsong app for my 16s has a horn button but using your mobile while riding is a very expensive fine here in Australia so I carry a cheap light/horn thing from Ali express with a wired remote switch. Works a treat
Wish i knew which one to buy first, im in Canada. Would be epic to have a store near my place to tryout...
So add 25% battery capacity and sorted 😀