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i love my 12ht, its screams dependability and thrive on neglect, off road beast
Nah- did over 3500 km (2200 miles), all kinds of Canadian weather, the v12 HT is my 3rd wheel (I also have the OG Sherman second batch and the kingson 18XL) the V12 is my dail driver. Reliable, powerful ( I weigh 220 lbs, 95 kg BEFORE gear), it is fast (make sure to go into settings to unlock the extra 10km/h- max will be 60 km/h) I love this wheel, great build quality, superb screen, love the mudguard and trolley. Make sure to turn on before charging- no spark. Highly recommend the v12 HT. my Shermie is for special rides, long ones... Btw, my range is ~ 75 km (47 miles), the remaining 10 km is slow riding lol
Fanboy, make your own video then and go away.
@@jordanestabrook4492oh no, look at me, a salty amateur riding his v5f around basketball court…pathetic
Thanks for your comment 🙏🏻 glad the wheel is working alright for you!
I’m going to unlock my today because I crashed at 44 mph on the 37 mph wheel and I was not in that higher mode
Sounds like a seriously rare thing. I would take my chances there as opposed to a fire hazard. That’s a danger I cannot have in my own home.
I am in the V12 owners FB Group, 3500 members. I never heard about it there.
@@TheDownloader86
Soon to be 3501. Thanks for providing firsthand feedback and instilling confidence.
no passive balancing is not danger, but not good to battery life, very not good
@@milordas
Yes passive balancing is more wasteful. Then again which EUCs out there have active balancing?
Thought the same thing, woke up today to that notification after letting my wheel charge from 20% and balance since it’s been a while since I’ve done that.
I think the passive balancing issue deserves a full video. There's a lot of confusion about that. (I know I'm confused.)
Fair point! I’ll have to make one like that!
Man I love euc. buuuuuuuutt... I’m NOT super nerdy with a degree in electronics or engineering... it SUCKS HARD that as a consumer you even have to be aware of ‘passive cell balancing,’ or ‘hot charge ports’ or ‘aftermarket suspension mods’ or make sure you ‘never leave the house while it’s charging’ or ‘don’t worry we’re sending you all a new motor’ or whatever the fnuck it is with this wheel or that wheel.. why oh why can’t someone make a wheel that just works out of the box no thought required? Out of power? Charge the wheel , job done.. or would that be too easy? Is it just me? Am I mad/ the only person who isn’t a maths professor with a level 10 understanding of electronics? I mean WTF EVEN IS A MOSFET or whatever?...and for $2-4000 why should I even have to know?...
Rant over... I’m going for a ride... hope I don’t cut out/ I’ll have enough power to get home/ I don’t set fire to my neighbourhood...🤣😅🤯✌️💕
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@@lunchymunchy2984 are you an iPhone owner? ...I agree that this is annoying and the manufacturers could do better, however it also have upsides. If you do your homework and learn about it, you can mentein or upgrade it completely yourself and understand what is happening in what situation. iPhone will not allow you this at all and will just be this stupid device that when it brakes, you are screwed and you have no way to fix it unless you pay high price for a new part, if you even figure out, which part it is
@@raptorswire7212 I think I see what you’re saying
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Sounds like Adam throwing another tantrum after not getting a V13 !! Why a negative video on v12 out of no where!! Oh Adam your so funny
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I have to make clear content about stuffs. If I don’t like something about a wheel I’ll say it
Almost 6000km on my v12HT and I love it. I get 80km range (warm Australian weather) so the cold is definitely a factor for you. The stand works great when YOU EXTEND IT PROPERLY. You don't mention that the screen is fantastic and you don't need to connect an app to use most functions, which is a HUGE bonus. Excellent trolley handle, very slim and compact makes taking on a train very easy as opposed to huge wheels like the Begode Master. You complain about top speed and torque but this wheel isn't designed to be the fastest and torque-iest, horses for courses. I generally like your reviews but I feel you went into this with a negative attitude and that affected the outcome massively.
He has winter clothes - big air resistance, low tire pressure and of course winter. I highly doubt that V12HS is that much better in the same conditions.
he does mention alot of good things about the V12 in his initial review of the V12HS
@@kurukururin i know, but he was overly negative in this review. i think some of it was unwarranted.
I honestly don’t use my phone 9/10. And for speed, this is plenty for me as I only ride 45max and usually it’s just 30-40kph.
@@Cons2911 yep same here
The pedal hangers are the reason why kickstand unsturdy and mud guard different. They are different to increase tire clearance, so the wheel protrudes more from the shell
Thanks for the warning. When did you get the V12 HT that you reviewed?
Thanks for the video, my v12 hs has treated me well over 1400 miles but i know that isn't the case for everyone. Ride safe!
I purchased the inmotion V12 standard for my husband for our anniversary. He is loving it as I have purchased the V11 and Kingsong S22 for him as well but he keeps riding the V12. Does the V12 standard have this problem as well? I sent an email to inmotion about this problem I’ve heard of and they said there isn’t a problem anymore. What are your thoughts?
So between the V12 vs T4 now which would you say is the better purchase for around the same price? Was about to pull the trigger on a V12HT
Absolutely spark and pop each time. ⚡️
I’m about 85kilos. Just a cruiser at 32-35kilometers speed . Flats and hills combo. Owned since late November. My range seems to be a bit better 🤷 I really had to tune in the settings before it just worked for me. Felt so top heavy until I got the %s to my liking. ☮️ great stuff WW!
What are your settings now?
@@rob8855 Off road / 56% pedal 38% excel 18% braking / hangers @ the top setting
I have a V12HS whit the standard CST tire. after 3600km i changed the tire to the HT tire and had to learn how to ride again(my first Wheel). I think it is very good at high speed 30km/h or more, very straight and whit no self induced oscillations, but it is heavyer to turn and i allso feel the tracking, have ridten it fore 400km and i belive i lost like15% of range...... Im gona try somthing else, any suggestions??? I have a KENDA 76-305 but the tire say's max load 100KG !!! The wheel and i weighs 116KG Should I try this???
idk man, I'm just happy my v12hs is running great after around 4k km doing crazy offroad and high speed riding all the time, I had many many crushes on it and none due to the cutout.
Same here, my v12 hs has 1400 miles on it. Many of those are high speed but its been great to me.
Does the HS climb well on off road trails?
@@kthejung I'm a light guy just over 60kg with gear, but yes it's good on a steep hill, it's not going to super accelerate on a 35-degree hill but there was no hill I couldn't climb just yet because of overpowering the wheel.
I still really doubt that wheel without passive cell ballancing can do 50 000 km like V11 or any significant amount of cycles. The cheap BMS can do this, why not expensive EUC? Mechanics I spoke about that agreed with me.
Anyway I am very satisfied with my V12HT, with 36PSI, in summer I did 65km and still 20% battery left and I climbed 700m in total (500m descent)... With winter clothes, low tire pressure, low temp, sure it can be much worse. BTW do not use low tire pressure or the stem valve will be gone. V12HT is very well built (much better than Kingsong or Begode), waterproof and overall finished product with great mudguard. Speed is good enough for me, torque is amazing. During 2000 km it never failed on me during the ride.
I really love this wheel, it is all I need - great range, great speed, great power, great ride onroad or offroad, great built quality, kickstand, display and features. In my eyes this wheel is perfect :). Zero maintenance, just charge, pump the tire and ride.
thanks for sharing your review.
Can you please tell me more about your experience in wet weather with this wheel? What kind of weather are we talking about here? I live in Ireland and we get alot of rain so I don't want to waste my money, also my first wheel 😅😅
@@oisinogorman35 That's funny - when it is raining very hard I am using my Begode Tesla T3 :D. I ran to few light rains with V12HT with no problem. I think it is sealed pretty well, but I heard about some water ingress to the display and also bad sealing of the controller (it has cooler inside of the wheel). But it was probably bad QC only, this wheel has pretty good IP rating in the end. But I haven't disasemble mine so I just hope it is fine inside :D. At least I have no issues.
Thank you for your positive review cause I am waiting for my shipment. WrongWay didn't like it.
@@altonrandolph775 V12HT is amazing wheel. I have 2700km so far and I love it. It is so good wheel offroad and also on road. Very well built, with great screen torque and power. It for sure has passive cell balancing and overall it is so practical and wel thought wheel. One of the best on the market!
Me as well, i have/had the same issues with the battery1 and also the sparks when trying to charge.
Now I'm waiting the battery to be shipped after many many E-Mails.
-If I understood Adam correctly, charging up to 100% also offers no certainty that it should not happen again in the future?
Thank you wrong-way!
It's amazing how silent the manufactures are when there's issues, community has to play Sherlock Holmes and resellers don't get the information either
Thanks Adam, informative as always. However…if I may. With some of these new wheels, that have a huge amount of settings and selectable options, it would be great if, when making a review, you could say what settings you are using, and also which options you have selected…and exactly..in your opinion, what they do. The manufacturers offer us all these possibilities, but then give us an operator’s manual that explains absolutely nothing! In Fact, it would be a good subject for a video imo. Hanks again..and keep up the good work! 👍
Hello, I had an issue with my V10F seems to be the same that you describe in this video. I changed the mother board and that was the same. How can I rebalance battery ?
Thanks for your videos, i love them 👌
Hey! You need to take out the battery pack and bring it to a battery repair shop. They will manually balance the pack.
What tire did you have on it before? I'm looking for a more knobby tire like it
The spark happens because your charger is plugged in. Unplug it from the mains, plug the battery in, then plug the pack in. It's because your charger is at a higher potential voltage than your charge port.
I got my v12ht recently. Did they fix the self acceleration problem?
Important video👍
Does the EX20S has passive cell balancing?
Thx! Yes, all Begode wheels do.
What about the hs. Would you recommend it?
Simple facts from my point of view after 2000 km:
- no single cut off,
- I never charge to 100% - no single problem with that,
- who cares about sparks when you connect the charger - simple do it in the opposite way as you mention and there is no problem,
- who cares about climbing 35-40% hill - no one because it is simply dangerous and has nothing in common with the wheel performance,
- I have completely no problems with turning on this tire - what more is this the best wheel that I ride (BTW the S20 was a nightmare in this area),
- the kickstand has a weak point when I use it on the train but in different situations - no issues.
I know many users who love this wheel. This is also the first wheel that I'm going to use much longer than others. I really feel the idea of your video was to maximize the destruction of this wheel. You have forgotten about many positive sides of this wheel. You focused on issues that in practice can be omitted because normal riders do not have such problems. Many sarcastic comments have proved your general idea for this video. It is sad because in that way you lose your objectivity, which I had liked.
firstly, you're lucky. not charging to 100% is ur call if you don't want ur pack to have max longevity then don't worry about filling them up. hill climbing is how torque is rated, and it matters to most riders. The tire is decent, yet others have also pointed to same issues Adam did here. clearly the kick stand sucks.
stop being a fanboy. the v12 has more returns and repair calls than any current wheel
@@greenwave819 First of all, I'm not a fanboy of InMotion - The V5F was horrible and I had more Begode wheels than InMotion so you are completely wrong. If you can't use the kickstand - that is your personal problem - I use it daily and the wheel never dropped down. Considering the returns - why Adam didn't mention any returns? Please face up with that video - this is only criticism. Of course, there are some problems but this touch all wheels simply because it is a Chinese product.
Lol the v5f was horrible? How so? Its a small ass old wheel that still sells today you sound crazy as shit.
For sure, it is clear that you don't like the V12 haha. I am pretty happy with mine. I never had any issues with the kickstand. I agree with you that the tyre is certainly not the best one. Looking actively to change it. It certainly that Inmotion is not a brand that fit your riding, but I don't agree that a 16X is replacement for the V12. Anyway, I like your reviews.
Thanks for your comment! Indeed the 16X is slower than the V12, thanks for your opinion!
Can anyone confirm if these issues have been ironed out with the v12ht's currently shipping?
i never had a single problem on V12 HT i think yours came bad bro, im a heavy rider 106 Kgs. Did more than 3k Kms with it.. i think ill get a faster charger just for those long rides . i actually have 70-80 kms range
same as T4
How do u get the V12 HS to hit 43mph???
does the 16s by kingsong have passive cell balancing?
My V11 will randomly go full tilt on me when riding. It does it slow and gradual but I have to hop off and shut it off to reset. Also the battery has never allowed me to charge to 100%. It’s my first and only wheel but it has shaken my confidence towards InMotion.
My opinion: Preventative firmware for overheat risk forces that tilt back, or computer thinks battery is virtually dead. The never charging to 100% is a thing with the V13 due to manufacturer of battery cell having a recommendation that reduces a slight bit of voltage per cell, no clue why for V11 but I bet for some reason IM is limiting max charge.
Mike, is this when riding it down a long hill when fully charged? That’s the only time I have experienced this. My access road is about I kms long, and de ends 100 metres. If I leave the house at 100% charge and go down the hill lightly braking, the wheel always does this. ..it’s to protect its self from over charging. In what riding conditions has yours done this?
I had the same issue. I stopped charging it to 100% and the "please repair" warnings along with tilt back stopped. That was scary for a couple of times.
On cell balancing. I put 7k km on my inmotion v8, and started having aggressive shut downs at c.35pc battery. I went through the hassle of opening the battery, cell balancing manually and I'm back to a normal wheel, but the process was pretty involved and not fun. I had two pairs of cells that weren't the same voltage as the rest of the pack.
You keep making me happy with my choice last year. I was on the list for the V12HT but went with the EXN HT instead. I know you're not a fan of the EXN HT either, but my trolley handle never broke, the batteries were replaced by ewheels before I got it. I take pretty good care of it, and she's always been a pleasure to ride.
This JUST happened to me. The wheel would not turn off holding the kill switch or holding the power button. I had to lay it on the side to turn it off. Setting the wheel to default fixed the issue. What should I do? I have a HS with the new driver board. I was not on the wheel. It started tilting back slowly and the wheel started accelerating. I had to tilt it back on the kickstand and it was free spinning over 60mph. The power button or the handle switch did not work. I put the wheel on its side, afraid it was going to heat up and catch on fire. When I dropped it on the side, it stopped spinning. When I brought it upright, it did the same thing. I had to set the wheel to default to stop it. Now I am scared to ride this wheel. What am I gonna do.....They can at least let me trade it or something? I feel I have a paper weight now.
any update?
Weight at the rim | tire is effectively doubled due to angular inertia. When accelerating or braking, if the rim + tire is 1 kg heavier, the effect on acceleration or braking is like 2 kg of non-rotating mass. As for no passive balancing, I was wondering what the purpose of all the BMS wires are (21 of them on 84 volt packs, 25 on 100 volt packs), since that allows sensing the individual voltage of all the stuff in series, but your explanation of a voltage limiter makes sense. Any batteries or packs in parallel with self-balance over time during a charge, without having to charge to 100%. The 100% charge is only needed for voltage limiting logic in the series of wires from BMS to battery cells.
I appreciate your critic, thanks Mr Wrong Way.
Has there be m reports of this problem with the V12 High Speed?
I have a theory, I have a similar case when off-road riding this summer on v12hs. After being stressed and scared over my self-acceleration incident I investigated that I was riding with my kickstand down at the moment, a rock or a step, or even you breaking down the hill can make your wheel accelerate by pushing up the kickstand, it will not close from the force up because it's designed to rotate towards the tire. I double-check my kickstand when I ride now as it can come down from doing jumps or bouncing and shaking offroad and I never had this happen to me again, I understand that frustration when it feels like something is random, I thought it will start randomly accelerate every time I'm near a car or a child I really don't think it's software, but it can also be both... idk it can be a software issue for some and a kickstand issue for others too, who knows?
Oh yeah, I got scared after I had an acceleration crash and myewheel passed my message to inmotion, they looked at my logs and said that at the time of the crash they saw how gyroscope goes wild and stuff and moments before that it was acceleratin g because I was leaning forward, not randomly. Another clue is my kickstand broke away, but I was able to snap it back in place.... even though the wheel fell into bushes... you know I low key want to take it off completely now lol
Makes sense to me and also would explain why kickstand is not on IM V13.
Did you ever get your hands on a v13 yet?
I had to stop at 7 min so I could ask. What happens at 100% charge? Does the charger trickle charge from there because trickle charge is way to balance as a slow charge brings all the cells to same voltage safely. This BMS does not allow that?
Exactly what happens. It dosent have "passive" but leaving it in for like 1-2hours past 100% allows for balancing
The V12HT manual says that when the charger unit light goes green, the wheel is charged …It is not recommended to leave the charger attached for more than a further two hours after the light has turned green.
@@martinsaunders2942 I charge based on voltage, not the little green light on a cheap charger. Absolutely no harm will come from leaving it on charge for an extra hour or 2.
@@kinkyshae Point taken..I’m just stating what is written in the INMOTION operator manual for the wheel, and for the charger.
@@martinsaunders2942 I know, these EUC companies need to be way more specific and give out way more information, it's bullshit that we have to speculate what components we have such as battery type/motherboard versions. When ya buy a 3d printer or pretty much any other well known electronic you usually have stickers right on the machine telling you exactly whats inside/manufacturing date/firmwear version.
That's the problem. Some v12s are innocent, and some are SUS and may get you. You never know who the imposter is until it's too late.
For this reason I think some of the problems may be to do with some of the selectable options being buggy and causing issues either individually or together with another option. In particular the Assistance Balance seems to produce some strange behaviour, and the NonMotor Load option..that works as an automatic spin kill button..and cuts power if it detects the wheel is not on the ground. I have both of these off!
@@martinsaunders2942 Interesting. It reminds me of troubleshooting software issues in the old mac computers. The OS had different "extensions" which on their own, ran their tasks fine, but if additional extensions with different features (sometimes added by new updates or different software) were added, conflict bugs or even a computer freeze/crash would result. The more complex the software, the more potential the bugs if the code is not written by experienced hands. That's likely why Gotway/Begode wheels don't have these problems (simple soft/firmware). The V12 HT that Adam had really could of been an "imposter", corrupt code from within which lead to an acceleration crash.
Great video ! Today is the day when I have to do choice between v12ht and 18xl. I want 18xl but only thing I don't like about it is that battery don't have it own case. It seems unsafe for me. If I crash it, even a little ,battery could be damaged very easily. That's the only reason Iam I bit concerned...
Years ago I ask you several times some advice and thx to you i love riding the inmotion V10F.
Again nice review. I give a short history again. I own an Inmotion V10F for many years now. I love EUC riding. Before I've had the V8. The speed on the V10F is ok, the handle is loose but good enough. Speakers.....to be honest, I don't use my speakers on my EUC. But I would like to have suspension on my next EUC. And I line riding in the forest as well. I definitely would buy another Inmotion but don't want to spend the money for an V13 or V14. What do you suggest? Thx buddy
I was almost about to get the v12 ht but this is a deal breaker. Does anyone have this issue with the HT? What about the HS version?
The HT has sold in quite large numbers now, and only a few have had problems. In my opinion, a lot of the problems suffered by Adam and a couple of others COULD be due to various selectable options having been selected. In particular I think the Assistance Balance option..which, when selected helps you lift or lay down the wheel between the kickstand and riding position, and the No Motor Load option…which acts as an automatic spin kill switch, and shuts off drive if the wheel detects it is not on the ground. These two, individually or together, might have some bugs and be the cause of these problems…On my wheel, the stay off until I know more. Indeed, I understood that INMOTION did infer to Adam that there might be an issue in configuring the wheel with some available options. INMOTION really do need to make some videos to give setup guidance and to properly explain exactly the effect of some of the options.
I did my first long range group ride yesterday with my HT. Only 255 miles on the wheel. It started beeping and throttling me back to 30MPH within the first 30 min of the ride with battery still above 80%. At mile 20 we stopped to eat and charge. I left with 68% battery life to finish the final 20 miles. After about 5 miles my battery dropped to 33% and it would not allow me to keep up with the group. From there it drained even faster. I finished our ride at very low speed. I think I'm going to sell this and upgrade. Solid starter wheel for sure.
I'm Having Fun With my V12 HT.
No issue on my Wheel
over a thousand miles and no issues here too
Needed this review thank you
Capacitors are empty (or the energy in them is decreasing) when the EUC is off. They are full when the EUC is on. So if you plug a live charger to the charge port when the EUC is off (especially when it is off for a while - depending on the electronics) you'll see/hear a spark because the electricity would fill the capacitors fast, causing a spark. This might be an issue if the components are not the best quality (capacitors might get old quicker or the charge port/cable tip could get smutty and lose conductivity). It would be wise to prevent this by plugging it while the EUC is on. Thank you for all your great videos, I've learned a lot from you brother.
I'm glad my EX.N doesn't spark!
@@greenwave819 Some chargers/adapters have a workaround to prevent sparking by adding a resistor thus slowing energy flow. EX.N charger or charge electronics on the EUC may have this simple feature. Glad to hear EX.N doesn't have this minor problem.
capacitors is not empty when euc is off, at least not in first few minutes. Always plug the charger to the wall outlet first, and only then to the euc.
Appreciate these honest opinion reviews, thank you. What about the v12HS? Same issues reported?
maybe still fragile rim, but controller upgraded
Less software bugs like mine reported on V12, battery pack is the same
Thanks brother, been debating between a V12 HT and an RS19 HT for like 6months now, and this is the nail in the coffin.
Doesn’t the RS have water leak issues? Also has Begode resolved the battery fire issue?
@@kthejung im going to buy from ewgeels and not ride the rain lol. If i love the hobby im getting a master or v13 and giving rs to the wife
@@kthejung yes, if you fill it up with water, it will leak out..
I have 1,5 years RS19 HS V2, i did only 2000km, but before i ride it, made an water sealing on the machine + removed the motherboard cover to make it cooler. It was in the snow, heavy rains and "still" no issue. I think the tyre will be the first thing to change after 6000-8000 km
Same boat but I got my RS in July; if you're under 180 and not going off-road much just get the HS bro. Love my wheel but I'm very much outgrowing the speed even in the city
i do get pedal tilt in the 40 something % when trying to go faster than 30,........i do get the spark as well, i connect the charger first and the in plug in the wall
Turn "on" the wheel before charging, the BMS is not active when the wheel is off and can't handle the sudden influx of power, but if the BMS is powered on it handles it just fine with no 0 spark/pop.
Wall first! as there is difference in voltage, you trying to put 0 volts to 80v+, when you put to wall first, you get difference max of 20V
Internal resistance is important as it varies by approximately %15 within a production batch unless batteries are well sorted. This difference is hard to balance as state of charge (think accumulated milliamp hours)ends up higher in a lower voltage cell with lower internal resistance. When bypassing a higher V cell ACTIVE balancing continues to raise the state of charge of the lower resistance cell as state of charge is not voltage and we work from the voltage reading. Another Key concept, capacity imbalance affects voltage difference less than charge imbalance making cell voltage as a poor measurement for capacity imbalance. While voltage deviation at high SOC is less imbalanced at low SOC (think discharged battery)the imbalance is higher so active balancing must be (i’m no battery expert) at the lower state of charge condition while passive balancing relies on charging to 100 percent and a good way to do this is slow charging from 98% to 100%.
What to take away is that active balancing is not all that. No balancing algorithm can be affective against impedance mismatch. Also, capacity imbalance is not measured by voltage imbalance so if I understand what I have found written up in battery literature I would guess passive balancing is better than active as active is likely to do more damage ->> in capacity imbalance or impedance differences the cell voltage differences are not enough to base the balancing. Even more importantly consider that if active balancing is not working as the above indicates then the balancing will get worse and degrading will accelerate each time you charge especially if balancing occurs during charge and discharge the active balancing turns bypass on. Best active balancing charge, I read, is one where problems with balance are lessor if balancing only takes place at end of charge (as IR effects are less as current is lower meaning the internal resistance has less impact on battery voltage reading). Note that passive balancing takes place at the top end (SOC is about 95%). No balance needed IF …All the problems with balance can be avoided by not charging to more than 90% or discharging to too low such as min 10%.
well I got an v12 ht. 2 months ago, riding it everytime from 100% charge all the way down to 10%... in rain, snow, 0 celcius, dry on asphalt / dirt you name it. I have dropped it (not crashed) several times to leave the plastic shell with noticeable scratches.... and still the noble wheel has never behaved or treated me wrong. So I guess what happened to wrongWay represent the few of isolated cases.
Same here 👌
also even riding it all the way down to @20% battery, it does not tilt at least for me (tilt starts @ ~9% though no need to cover that up XD). I have euc world monitoring the packs always when I ride and honestly I have never seen a difference greater than - + 0.2 volts between both packs... I think either I must have a really good v12 HT or you just got a lemon @wrongway :/
Could be that wrongway had a faulty wheel concerning the problem with acceleration, but 2 months is not enough time to see consequences of the lack of passive balancing.
no, actually you're one of the lucky few. It is well known that the v12 has been having issues ever since it released
@@baryton76 but WrongWay had it occurs in much less that two months. We really need to know what mode, settings and options these guys had set at the time of their incidents.
I do believe that Inmotion Hover Shoes have done the same thing. Is that relevant, who knows? I love my Kingsong 16X :-)
Fair review for the issues you had. I have an OG HS V12 and never had an issue. As someone who also had a 16x. I am not sure about your recommendation for a 16x or 18xl for someone looking at a V12. The 16x and 18xl are amazing wheels, but honestly for anyone looking at a v12 there are better alternatives than the 84v kingsong wheels. I get why you are harsh on this wheel, but those 84v wheels (reliable or not) are just not in the same category in my opinion.
I have an 84v Nikola and it has more initial torque than my new T4 with high-C cells. Pretty depressing realization.
@@Dave-cf4vd Nikola is legendary Wheel, still wining races in my country :D. Also waterproof wheel, probably the best Gotway ever produced. Also my Tesla T3 is pretty powerfull, good old Gotway wheels are the best :).
I kinda lean towards the 16 X for his reliability simplicity of built and lightness, and also with the 3 inch tire natural suspension. Of course it’s only 84 V, but I cannot resolve to take such heavy wheels that we find today.
Hey Adam. I have a quick question and you are the only one I trust to answer it. Alien Rides just sent out an email about replacing a charge board on my begode master because apparently the charge board it came with does not properly balance the cells. Is this a major issue that I should be concerned with? My wheel reaches 134.2 volts in most cases. I have seen it reach 134.4 a time or two (EUC World). What is your suggestion? I appreciate any info you provide. Thanks man and keep up the great content. Always enjoyable to watch and learn
Hey, I think it’s always best to swap stuff if the manufacturer recommends it
@@mr_wrongway Have you swapped it out on yours? Apparently it effects all masters from what they tell me. Does yours reach 134.4 consistently?
@@tylerdorminey1910 i didn’t yet. I’ll be sending the Maspro back after review
@@mr_wrongway Gotcha. Thanks for the response 👍
Thanks for the review, you saved me from buying this wheel. Safety in a wheel is the most basic thing that can be in it.
Thank you for this honest review.
Wasn't this your favorite wheel like 9 months ago!
I loved to ride the V12! Sadly some issues arose that I wasn’t aware of at that time. I love it’s riding characteristics when it works :)
Thank you for your opinion...honestly mean it! Your review stands in absolute contrast to Chooch and Hsiang who both recommend this as the one of the best wheels to be had. Hsaing even says that it has comparable torque to the MASTER (says it twice in his v12 vid). Where is the truth? Obviously you were not impressed by your testing but Chooch and Hsiang are big off-road and street experts, respectively, that disagree.
The ghost acceleration issue is brand new...where is the evidence outside of hearsay? The V13 also has a voltage charge limiter. The port spark issue is avoided if you turn on the wheel before plugging in. Even Onewheel XRs (made in USA with smart BMS) can have "charging port spark". The solid center tire tread (hybrid style) is not perfect but is there to make the wheel more stable while people often complain about full parallel knobies also causing "traintracking." Chooch says he luvs the stock hybrid V12HT tire. As far as range goes this is a 16/17" wheel so by default it cant compete with big diameter wheels...the range kings such as Master Pro and V13 are also getting reports of less than half advertised range.
If there are real ghosting or hardware issues then yes, InMotion should make a statement but given the attention of IM to safety in design and software on all their recent models, you cannot find a better EUC company.
EDIT...please tell us why the acceleration ghost issue is software? THX
The master can tackle 45° inclines and V12 overpowers on 40°. Master takes 40° EZPZ. These are the numbers and facts. The V12 HT just has not much torque if you actually test it “to its limit” and not just “a feeling”
Check out my other V12 HT vid regarding acceleration - I analyzed Chooches video and later (not in the video) I talked with 3 people that had somewhat similar experiences (still no video evidence from those 3 people but that is what Chooch’s video is for). We also have no denial nor approval of this from IM side.
The port is some sort of bug, I think they can fix it easily.
All manufacturers have issues…disbalanced packs, weak axles, breaking pedals, sometimes water ingress, those are some of InMotion’s issues.
@@mr_wrongway Fair enough... but these are the "numbers and facts" on your units. There are tons of scientific clinical studies on coffee and wine that contradict each others findings. 45 degrees is likely an exaggeration...but Electric Dreams has a v12ht doing 40 degrees with "no problem".
I don't recall either of those two doing repeated tests on the same inclines with multiple wheels. Or even doing hill tests at all for that matter. It's one thing to ride around on flat ground and think two wheels have similar feeling torque, it's a whole other thing to actually take the wheels up a hill and see where their limits are.
Going to have to take Wrong Way's side on this one, seeing as he actually has them all on video on the same hills.
@@ZuberEUC coffee isn’t as easily measurable as inclines. I doubt Electric Drams can go up 40° on this wheel. He’s heavier than me and I could barely do it. I measure inclines precisely and that has been my staple test for years :)
Chooch covers more about the ride of wheel in his reviews, so, as Adam, they both agree it's nice, and seems like Chooch hasn't had any problems with his v12 that appear to be a matter of luck, I think
keeping the video short just like the range of the V12. DAMN 🔥BURNED INMOTION! Sherman owns youuuu!
i get so many errors on my v12 , always fixes itself out. but scary AF
I always plug charger into the wheel first and 5100km without any issues. V12 HS is a great all around wheel. Took me forever to get the right pressure with that new tire. Super stiff compared to the original.
It's not recommend to plug it in the wall first. It's best to just plug it in while the wheel is on.
when you plug charger to euc first, you have voltage difference about 90v, when you plug charger to wall outlet first you have difference ~15v, so what is better and safer?
Thank you for sharing. I listen to your recommendations and know that I probably will never buy one, even though I really really want to!
Thanx go patton
Mines is only goes up to 38/39mph Max
Had a similar accident like WrongWay mentions in the video TWICE. First one a year ago ...As I was a fresh rider I just would beleive it was the wheel's fault. I attributed it to my riding error. I was in contact with Adam and he wanted to use my testimony of the first fall as one of the cases he mentions here and I replied that I finally think mine was my own error. When it happened again ten days ago and some 7000 Km later I realized how wrong I was and I could have stopped riiding it then and saved myself from the injury. It was that bad phisically as I had all the gear on, but mentally it was devastating. Before you can do anything you just find yourself staring at the sky with butt slummed on the floor and terrific back pain. Decided to swap the wheel for something more reliable and never touich it again. It may happen at any time ...its just the bomb ticking.
Loved one wheels until I got my first flat thanks to my nuzzle on my tire getting ripped out while ridding somehow. Then spend 12 hours fixing my tire just to get another flat immediately from the same exact problem.
@1:18 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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my v12HT cut out on my at 30mph with a max speed of 35mph and 88% battery. my inmotionv12ht had 500 miles on it before the cutout. inmotion sent me a new inmotion v12hs no problems since.
holy crap - did you crash?
@@roycedot I hit the pavement at 35 mph with full gear on. Shattered my dot approved helmet. Luckily I just bruised my ribs.
If you balance a battery pack so that all cells are at same voltage then you should not have to rebalance again for probably (if daily rider) for a couple weeks? Cells should discharge at same rate and even if not balanced it is the discharge that (on a unbalanced battery) is most damaging as lower V cells could drop below the recommended V. On higher side trickle charge is to prevent damage of highest V cells because of low current charging.
Cells usually do not discharge at the same speed. The slowest one if there is the lack of balancing will be behind more and more from the rest of the pack.
You don't trickle lithium cells. The rate gets slow enough that it can't detect a full cell and it can end up overcharging. Typically you want to stay above 0.33C charge rate, lower and it gets hairy
Well no wheel is perfect, and everyone has an opinion about there needs for a wheel. In "MY" opinion this wheel is perfect for "MY" needs not to big, not to small. Are there better wheels?, of course depending on your needs. It seems lately that you have gone on a V12 bashing crusade, but that's your right. I mean Begode/Gotway wheels are notorious for fires, but people still by them . I'm just saying in the big picture, the problems mentioned seem minor. I use to look to you for an unbiased review, but now I'm not so sure. At least you gave me some options for that annoying spark problem. Thanks for that! 🙂
Full of sarcasm, too bad, a lot of people like the wheel.
Hey I had this issue! my feelings is the support is not comptent, they did not found the root cause and changed the driver board just to make me feel more confident with the v12! It's like they did not investigate nor believe me. They also said the issue can happen if you use the split mode but did not provide me more details. Check my post on th electric unicycle forum. Thread is 'Inmotion
V12 HT issue - sudden tilt back and acceleration'
Please post which options were selected and which setting were you using at the time 👍
@@martinsaunders2942 it's on the forum in the mentioned thread. Just search for the thread name.
Plugging into wall should be the last/final thing you do or maybe I been too long on forklifts
Good to know! Will just charge it to 100% and live happily ever after =)
I think we have yo remember weather context. My v8f darling rips in summer in denmark but at fredning and high winds it is to besiddende calmly orni fall due to cutoff. I understand you live in , australia or something Nice warm, but some of us live in the polar cirkle. Please bring on summer.ø soon xD
You're the Anti-Chooch 🤘😜
when i bought a V12 high speed, i had that spark upon plugging the charger in, and the next time i turned the wheel on, it died while i rolled it around in my living room. and never turned back on
rather, it did turn back on eventually, but then died as soon as i rolled it around again. and this cycle repeated indefinitely until i returned the wheel
when did you buy your wheel?
@@kthejung I ordered it in april 2022, and it was delivered in june 2022, after they got some new control boards for it that were supposed to fix a bunch of issues
I'm amazed more EUCs don't have a basic charge-only BMS to tend to their massive battery packs. In the OneWheel world we bend over backwards trying to get BMSes crammed in there.
One more thing regarding the lack of cell balancing feature. If there is true what you are saying that if one of the parallel set of batteries reach max voltage the wheel stop charging. That means that BMS has connected all the 24 parallel parts connected independently - why no cell balancing feature then? And still if lack of balancing is true - over time the maximum voltage has to decrease because some cells will be f.e. at 4,0V (3,9, etc) and others 4,2V - total voltage HAS to decrease over time. Mine wheel is charging after 2000km still to 100,3V like when it was new. It has to be lower if what you are saying is true. Ask someone with 6000 or more km if his total voltage drops.
I really believe that this was only misunderstanding between you and some Inmotion employee with bad english :D.
Broke my collar bone on this bad boy, good times
😭 that sucks :( get well soon!
Self-acceleration? I have done more than 1440 km on it and never had anything like that. Also, balancing is no issue whatsoever. IMHO the rider is the issue, not the wheel.
Sub 2000km usage with my V12, had two cutouts, and a failed battery pack, couldn't reccomended it to my worst enemy 😂
So sorry to hear 🥺
In what circumstances? Please let us know.. are you sure your cut outs weren’t rider error..we all make them! Or was it a genuine wheel failure?
@@martinsaunders2942 we'll never know..
It seems the V13 ironed out a lot of these problems
Except for the range
I'm interested to know why you have very little good to say about this wheel, yet chooch seems to still stand by it. Is it just a ride style difference, or maybe he hasn't experienced the software issues?
Most of the good stuff is in my other reviews, I still enjoy riding the wheel but some critical issues make it stressful and not a wheel I could recommend :/
Chooch focuses on the good things to say, to the point every wheel is the best.
He captured his V12 HT running away under him on video tho, leading to a crash.
@François Simond (supercurio) Choooooch say that it was his fault repeatedly...something about psi and rider error.
@@ZuberEUC you're referring to his initial crash, right after he got the wheel.
Look up his video "POWER DRIFTING UNICYCLE! (INMOTION V12 HT) TOO MUCH TORQUE!?" at 0:15
@François Simond (supercurio) ok...I reviewed it. That suggests serious torque that caused a loss of traction (same thing happened to me on a wet wooden boardwalk last week). I do not think this is what WW is talking about.
Genuinely curious why people are afraid of small electric sparks. I'm assuming it's common knowledge that many regular outlets spark when plugged in and the likelihood of this causing damage to the contacts in the life cycle of the equipment is negligible. The only things that need measures to mitigate that spark are things like light switches due to the hundreds of thousands of times they will be switched in their lifetimes.
not so much afraid, it is more about the fact that 99% of products I plug in don't spark, so when I plug my charger in I'd rather it also not spark
@@greenwave819 Ah someone who doesn't realize a lot of things spark inside the outlet.
I wish that I had watched this before I purchased my iNMOTION V12 Ht yesterday; so I will pray for the best. I see that I may need a screen protector.
how's it holding up? any problems so far?
Now come on, this is very intelligent wheel.
when are you gonna make a tesla t4 final review?
I don’t know yet…I’m pretty disappointed with Begode quality and safety, I don’t know if I will continue reviewing them.
@@mr_wrongway I get why you would think like this, but still considering the fact that there aren't any other alternatives out there for technical off-road, depending on if you believe that the s22 is better or not, I would say that the begode t4 deserves some love. If the wheel doesn't cut out from bad engineering or software like on watssingletrack's video, and it's only problem would be the build quality then I think that you should continue reviewing them, if not then let's hope that they'll up the standards
Nice
Thank you and it's a shame to hear InMotion has made not such a great wheel with the V12 HT. It certainly looks good and 100V / 16" seems like a recipe for goodness. I've had the same wheel tilts way before the battery is depleted issue with the Sherman Max, so InMontion isn't alone with that. It was, fingers crossed, resolved with a battery replacement. Heavy motor/wheels/tires are not good for zippiness, but they are good for momentum. I'll take zippiness, thanks. Even adding a bunch of slime can add a lot of rotational mass.
Would the Begod T4 be a good alternative to the IM HT? It's 16", not much heavier and similarly priced. It may have "Begode quality" and I do agree that my Begodes are not pretty on the inside - but thus far, they have been reliable and a pleasure to ride - and no cutouts or "sudden unexplained acceleration" - ala Audi 5000.
I'm curious too about this comparasion between V12 and t4
Begode are awesome wheels. These guys are trying to give us all the details of worst case scenarios. If you don't abuse the hell out of it, a begode will take you as far and as fast as you want. Don't fast charge it every time you want to ride it, and don't ride through a lake or in a downpour. Most people that care about their 2-$4000 investment won't do these things anyway. Open the case every so often to make sure your hangers are still tight. You'll never know what all the fuss is about.
Look up how many fires there have been compared to how many sales there were. Then, consider how many of those fires are guys who abused their wheels or just had a bad crash then never opened it up to inspect the batteries before charging. It's amazing how many people drop so much money on something so they can neglect and abuse it.
Nikola plus would be the direct competitor. It's the go to wheel in my city they all have the Nikolas AR+ with 2700wh batteries
@robm425 I've always liked the Nikola, but ride mixed too much I think I'd get the Nikola all banged up. LoL
At psi < 30 the ventil on the tyre can rip off, so you get a flat tyre. Changing tyre here is 😢
I think you will find this happens at very low tyre pressures..like 10/15 psi. No way does it happen at 30 psi
@@martinsaunders2942 happened to me at 28 psi 🤷♂️
Where I agree with Adam is that inmotion should make an official communication about since so many potential buyers follow wrong way! Videos before buying , that would reassure me !! Or at least enhance the documentation !! Thanks 🙏
Great, I just bought an HT as my first wheel on Hsiang's recommendation... its coming tomorrow
Don't let it get you down. I've had mine for half a year and it keeps surprising me with how well it tackles things. Give it a chance, you may love it.
Wrong way is Soo biased against Inmotion, enjoy your wheel man, you'll experience 0 issues. The only true thing he mentions is that the battery does not last as long as advertised(100km), if I ride slow I get about 70-80km...if I'm ripping at full throttle I get about 50-60km. I own 2x V12HT and both are riding amazing. No sudden accelerations, no cut-outs...if you turn your wheel "ON" before plugging in there will be 0 sparks ever...almost everything he mentions IV never delt with personally, and thats with 2 WHEELS both with over 2000km. And I have friends who have v12's as well with 0 issues...it's an incredibly solid wheel, easily the best for the price.
Yep you’ll enjoy it once you figure out the overwhelming amount of settings and options
@@kinkyshae You're nuts. Adam is very neutrally objective. Many riders say the same thing. Also, most distributers/repair centers list the v12 as the #1 wheel being sent in for service.
If yours is a lemon, send it back and get a nik+
Personnellement je roule en V12 HS depuis 1 an . J'attends les critiques par rapport au pneu plus gros de la v12 HT et je ne peux m'empêcher de faire le parallèle avec la moto . En effet en moto on sait qu' un pneu large ne favorise pas la maniabilité . Pour faire du tout terrain on choisira une moto légère .pour la gyroroue c'est pareil . La v12 n'est pas une roue faites pour le tout terrain . C'est une excellente routière avant tout . Et je confirme l'autonomie c plutôt 80/90 km mais en roulant régulièrement entre 40 et 60 kmh . Et a ce jour zéro problème ........... Pour éviter les étincelles, il faut brancher toujours la rour d'abord et le chargeur ensuite . C'est élémentaire mon cher Watson...
what? its not facebook, youtube dont have auto translate, pal
well shit, I already own a v12 ht 😅
I gotta say, I love this channel. I had been watching your videos for almost a year before I finally got my first EUC this past December, and it’s all because of this channel. After long and careful consideration, I got the V12HT. I love it. I definitely disagree with you about this wheel, but I totally understand where you’re coming from. And I don’t like how Inmotion did Chooch dirty. Nonetheless, I’m loving my V12HT. Of course, I’m a total newb.
It's funny you made your choice because of this channel, when he's never liked the V12HT
@@jamesordwayultralightpilot My fault for not being clear. I made the choice to get an EUC at all because I was inspired by this channel the most. I got this specific EUC mainly because of other reviews and the price point (it was on sale). I think this is a really good beginner wheel. But I’m sure I’ll upgrade eventually. My needs right now as a newb are not nearly as specific as WrongWay’s. He’s a legit pro.
@Jake Penick yeah definitely a pro. Don't let him scare you away from Begode. They have a lot of choices out now and if you get a 100v wheel, you know it's good because they have fixed pretty much all the bugs. They are just as cheap as the V12 now too.
What happened with Chooch man. I've been trying to figure that out
What did Inmotion do to chooch? I blocked his channel a long time ago (forgot why - I think I just got tired of his content) so I haven’t been keeping track of what he’s been up to
Why does everyone get the ht over the hs