I love that you put the consumer first in your reviews. A lot of tech youtubers forget how their audience actually uses laptops. Yes, there are good laptops for heavy gaming or content creation, but 80% of people are just googling things and watching Netflix. A good laptop has to cover the basics first, then add the fancy stuff for specialised use. Keep up the good work Josh!
Spot on, all the Apple fanboys claiming that a macbook can render videos 5 seconds faster and can do calculation 3% faster. For an overall coverage of usage an Apple product is nowhere near a windows laptop in terms of browsing, media and gaming.
Josh, you made your mother proud, I think this was a very fair and accurate comparison. We're a dual platform household with my wife using Windows machines exclusively (desktop and laptop) while I use both a Mac desktop and laptop, and a Windows PC for those mission critical applications that Apple either can't adequately duplicate or simply cost too much to change. I think it's interesting that HP laptops were the example of poor design/quality choices because I stopped using their products several years ago for those reasons, around the time HP acquired Compaq.
I agree with you that the Macbooks offer a great experience for people who are okay with spending in that budget range. I have been a Windows user all my life (usually buying the big bulky gaming laptops) and I switched to the 13" M1 MBP about 2 years ago. I am really happy with the device, cause it nails the basic aspects of a laptop so well - screen, performance, battery, design and inputs. However, I do miss gaming on my laptop, the ability to install Linux and the port selection on this particular laptop is absolutely horrendous (2 USB-C ports close together is a massive fail on Apple's part). I am pretty agnostic about the OS itself, since other than gaming, it's totally fine and has it's pros and cons over Windows. In the end, it's all about what you want and (more importantly) the compromises you are willing to make.
There’s also a thing called Asahi Linux that allows you to fully install Linux on a Mac, Boot Camp-style with full support for most drivers and ports. I should mention everything I just said applies to Apple Silicon only, Intel Macs obviously can just use Boot Camp and become essentially x64 Windows/Linux laptops.
@@trey_a_12 the best advice to any linux enthusiast falling for the casual user category is to just buy a macbook with upgraded ram and storage and then once asahi becomes production ready install and use any linux distro of choice with the kernel version that has everything in asahi upstreamed.
Got M2 Air and I'm not very happy with it. Ok the batterylife is really good. But build quality is seriously lacking. I though Macs have excellent keyboards, well apparently they don't feel is actually really mediocre and absolutely horrible compared to ie. old T-series IBM's. Speakers are though very good compared to most PC laptops. Display is good, but huge BUT. I've began to notice screen getting microscratches from keyboard, even though I never carry it in bag. Only display closed and very miniscule, but even more annoying scraches. Took me weeks to figure that those marks indeed match with keyboard. I sure as heck wasn't expecting this poor design. If I could I'd now buy some new Ryzen laptop in a heartbeat. It very much looks like this is my first and last macbook. Also the 8gigs RAM is really poor. I was fooled by many TH-camrs recommending base models, but man the amount is way too low. Few measly programs open and it hits swap. Like F360 and Chrome opened and that's it.
I'm an engineering student, if you came to my university you would change your mind about how rare people using convertible laptops as tablets are. I'm not saying we are more than ipad users, but it's VERY easy to find someone like me who like to have one single device to take notes at lessons and do some programming, or cad, or even video editing (take an Asus flow x13 or x16 for example, it can do everything I need with ease). I'm looking forward to see the new surface laptop studio 2, as it has the best form factor for what I do, and packs a lot of performance in a very reasonable size
I have to agree with this I think it's a lot more common now to see 2 and 1. The laptops I saw the most where macbooks and some form of 2 and 1. More common at schools.
Same here. I use a touchscreen with pen input while studying physics. Being able to type an assignment, & use a pen to draw sketches & equations all one a single device is so much better than switching between multiple devices. Then being able to take a break & do some gaming is a huge bonus. I like being able to get everything done on a single device.
Whether you run PC or Mac can depend on the available application ecosystem for each platform. If you are just using a PC for email, general office and browsing, you can go either way. If you need something more workstation for a specific application/use case, your options may be more limited.
Indeed. I use for example Power BI Desktop to create stuff for my customers. That eliminates Macs from the picture. I ended up with Lenovo Legion Pro with 32GB RAM and 3TB storage. I especially like the screen on it as I can see quite much of data model structure at once etc.
I’m confused by this stance, if you buy a Mac, you can get Windows on it via Parallels for instance, so you have access to all Windows eco system. Which you can’t do if you own a windows device. Surely it’s a no brainer to get a Mac so you have IOS with the benefit of getting windows as well?
@@rw3078 a few points: 1) virtualized OS is not as good as native, 2) virtualized OS cannot run all software, 3) native OS that is not useful for me is not a benefit, but a negative.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 fair comment, and again it comes back to what software the user actually needs. Agree, virtualised OS isn’t as good as natural, but there have been big steps where it’s fairly seem less now.
@@rw3078 indeed. For many the software (or hardware combos) available on Mac are optimal and for other use cases Windows or Linux machines are the ways to go. Thus there are no nobrainers on this space.
I like your decision making process. A lot of people find it quite difficult to switch from the ecosystem they are familiar with but if you are able to get past that the logic you present here is pretty spot on.
Josh, I think you forgot one little thing - OS. I mean, I've used mac for a year, but I could not accept OS and finally I've bought Thinkpad (yeah, it runs Linux now, but I'm ok about windows) and thanks god I've not spent my own money on mac as it was given by employer.
The main reason why our household moved to an all-Mac / Apple ecosystem is that I became tired of being the family's IT support. Unfortunately, non-tech savvy users struggle with usability and tech issues way too often with Windows. Since we have switched, the number of events I have had to deal with has probably reduced by 90%. The Mac also can have a lower cost of ownership if you consider built-in, open-source, and free-to-use software. Also, when you add IOS software compatibility this expands the apps that can be used on the Mac. I do agree that Gaming and maybe some specialized technical uses are way better served by the Windows ecosystem, but everything else can work well with MacOS.
That is my experience. I could not get a new router to setup with my W8 machine, way back when. Frustrated by Windows for a while, I went to the shop and bought a Mac. The router was setup within minutes and I have not looked back since. I am a simple person with basic requirements and macs have been better for me since then. I do dabble with Windows and admit W11 is much better than the dark days of W8/early W10.
I agree with you, but not at all. The problem with Macbook is unrepairability. So if you are the IT at home, forget about replacing almost anything on a Macbook. Meanwhile, Framework is totally the opposite: a modular computer that allows you to repair any component or just upgrade it for a better one. But they need to grow up and release Framework16. It would be great to have better prices too, because at the moment its so expensive. And about software you can install any OS on a Windows laptop (not sure if its still possible to install Mac OS on a x86 laptop), meanwhile in the new ARM Macbooks you just can emulate OS at the moment, but it seems to work pretty well. I dont agree with Apple's policy about not allowing the user to install other OS. If I bought it, its mine and I should do whatever with it. They should get a penalty about this.
Lower cost of ownership? Apple's high entry cost ensures this won't be the case, lol. I like Apple for their battery life on their laptops, but it's insanely expensive.
@@shubhayughosh4016 Microsoft Excel advance features work with PCs, not Macbooks. This is huge for professional analysts roles. I was a former health insurance underwriter and I cannot imagine not using those advance features. Macros, Pivot table, Vlookup, ...etc.
@@akin242002 Ohh interesting. I have barely ever used Excel but always heard that if you wanna use Excel just get windows, but i never quite unedrstood why. Thanks :> Still, the parent comment talks about HQ free software..and i would wager macOS has lots of free knick knacs if you search online enough (like small menu bar tools)
Josh, this is probably the best and most practical and balanced comparison of Macs and PCs I have seen. My daughter is a gamer and a devout PC user. I'm a Mac user. You essentially articulated why each of us has chosen the right platform for our needs. Great job!
Excellent, detailed and thoughtful video! There may be certain advantages to the Macs from a usability perspective, but a huge disadvantage is Apple's decision to restrict the upgrade and repair of their devices by end-users, and especially with 3rd party repair. This means cost-prohibitive repairs which result in devices becoming e-waste sooner, and driving up the total cost of ownership in the long run. For me personally, "getting the basics right" would also include laptops where the RAM and SSD aren't soldered to the motherboard and can be easily upgraded or swapped out if defective, as well as ones that make parts available so that you're not replacing an entire system board if a port goes bad.
That explains why i chose to be with PCs. Apple ecosystem are arbitrary expensive and uncalled for especially where technology advancement in production of RAM and SSD sticks are concerned. SSDs and RAM production cost has gone down over the years. In Apple Eco system the abilty to upgrade these is impossible, the ability to install other programs(None Apple) is also impossible, the folks at Apple are mean to the fact that getting additional thurnderbolt 4 slots or USB-type A on a device (which should be made standard for backward compactibility) requires one to spend extra bucks on a dongle where already they have broken the bank to get that Mac, it's insane and yet in PC ecosystem we're spoilt for choice without breaking an arm.
@@MangoReader it's very good. My old laptop with a trash celeron can't handle windows 10 at full speed at all, and original features, like the touchscreen won't work at all. After I installed linux mint, it feels like i bought it new (no lag, better battery, all functions restored (cuz correct drivers)).
You should also mention one crucial downfall of M series Macs: if any of your soldered components in your Mac fails when you're out of warranty you're pretty much screwed as they can't be repaired or replaced. This is also valid for some Windows PCs too with soldered RAM.
With the exception of the Dell XPS 13 9315, the storage is at least removable, so if the SSD fails, it's a job that doesn't require an entire (and expensive) motherboard replacement. That's exactly why I don't buy Macs and I'm going with the Framework Laptop 16 when it comes out for preorder.
@@allknightlong84 Given the high cost nature of Macs, the abundance of budget options on Windows, & the wide ratio of Windows devices to Macs, i'd say it's a little daft to draw a simplistic comparison like that. Also, my 16 year old Sony Vaio is still going strong, & i've seen older laptops out there too.
Indeed, for 700-800$ band, you may easily find a PC laptop having an Nvidia RTX graphics card and 512 GB SSD. Besides, finding free software is very easy for Windows. New Intel and AMD Ryzen processors are also good. However, Apple M1-M2 chips are still very good for power efficiency, having very long battery lives.
Thanks for the video. I found it helpful. I'm currently having issues with my older Windows laptop and am ready to buy another device which will hopefully last me another 5 or so years. I think I fall into the last category you mentioned in that I have the money to buy whatever I want and as I've gotten older I really only use my PC for surfing the web, reddit, TH-cam emails etc... I game on consoles so I have no interest in my laptops gaming ability. It looks more and more like I would see a pretty noticeable difference in the day to day tasks I do if I went MacOS. As a life long Windows user I find that a little overwhelming. These devices are not cheap these days and I sure don't want to buy a Mac only to be disappointed. The one big thing I think I'd miss on MacOS is the ability to snap my windows to each side. I really like having TH-cam or other video playing on one side of the screen while surfing the web or reading reddit on the other. It's such a smooth feature that I know is missing on MacOS. I really wish Apple would get a better window management system. It's really surprising that they have not addressed this after all these years. Anyway, thanks again.
You absolutely nailed it. After years of constantly trying to force myself into PCs, I’ve come to realize that MacBook is all I need. I’m 99% doing office work, browsing, and consuming content. The only PC that comes close is the Surface. Macs are so simply to use and I can’t even remember the last time I turned off my computer.
Neat, my experience with a mac is terrible. have to shut down constantly other wise the damn thing would freeze. it occurs on my business 2019 core i7 gen 10th macbook pro (16gb, ram), and an M1 macbook air (8gb ram)
I prefer a macbook for daily use. The portability and build quality is unmatched in my opinion. The one thing I absolutely hate about Windows and Linux laptops is power draw when unplugged. But I prefer having a Linux PC as a desktop computer.
You nailed the discussion here Josh. I agree with you on all your points. I have a PC desktop for gaming/personal stuff and a Mac laptop for work. The new Framework gaming laptop is very interesting though. I could see myself replacing my desktop with that in the future!
I am a student at industrial design and I use a Mac. From my experience I can say that a Mac laptop comes with more quality of life benefits but there are a lot of apps, especially in engineering that are windows only so I would personally add the price of $130 of Parallels to the price of the laptop since I consider it a must.
Yes also for students of microbiology, many programs in that field are windows-only. People with mac laptops sometimes literally needed to work together with people who had windows laptops to get the exercises done
What is the specific life of quality with a Mac, what we experience as windows users over and over again is that single macbook guy always finicking with settings to get things running. This happens without exception. Sometimes it is the wifi beamer he cannot connect, then he cannot share content in zoom or teams or any other app for that matter, or they ask for dongles that they forget to bring this day. and many many many other things.
99% of people who use MacBooks who say they are creative…only surf the web and check email using the browser and don’t even know how to setup iMessage. They just use their phone. They have 200 junk files littered in their desktop and do t even know how to adjust view setting for the files to snap to the grid.
A Macbook wasn't an option for me because of its terrible docker performance. I have to use x86 docker images, and my Linux laptop is way more performant than a M2 laptop by far. I ended up choosing a Thinkpad which isn't perfect, but doesn't have major flaws. And more important, it has a very good Linux compatibility.
My prob with Linux (Ubuntu, at least) on a laptop is the battery life, so I have to live with Hyper-V or remote desktop to an Ubuntu old desktop pc at home.
I’m fortunate enough to own these two specific models. I had my MacBook Pro before owning the Asus Zephyrus. I’m really happy with my MacBook Pro for productivity (analyzing data, making reports, programming, etc.). However, at some point of my life, I did not realize that I would need another operating system for specific Softwares during my engineering studies, so I had to get the Asus. Both computers are very powerful and do the job they are intended to very well. Both have pros and cons against each other, but I think the question on whether to get a MacBook or a PC should be based on the user’s needs and main purpose for it. Main point is, define what your needs are and then get the most appropriate computer for those needs.
Do you know if Macbooks have dished key caps, similar to Lenovo's high end laptops? I've never even seen a Mac in real life, and live far from an apple store.
My PC journey began because my family could not afford anything from Apple when I was young so we had a cheap PC desktop. After that I stuck to PC laptops as I could have a singular machine that had a wide selection of games, could run all my school and work software, was not space demanding, and easier on my budget. Nowadays, even though I have met many people who do all sorts of work on a Mac and I can afford one, I haven't invested in that ecosystem so now I just stick with PC. The switch I have been trying to make recently is to Linux, but sadly there are still some software that Linux can't run natively or within WINE and that holds me back.
@@chrisx5127 That really depends on your choice of software and the context. I have seen both macOS and Windows excel at about the same things. The only real loser in the OS battles is Linux as there are still so many applications not supported on Linux.
Josh is the laptop reviewer we all need. Great work. Also, that Zenbook 14 you featured at 6:58 - INCREDIBLE laptop. It has no right to be as good as it is, especially if you get it on sale. I own one myself.
I was using the MI air 2 laptop before I switched to the 2023 MacBook Pro 16 inch. I don't mean that the MI one wasn't good but I chose Apple because of the productivity it offers and also the sleek appearance it owns. Although my current Macbook is equipped with the M1 chip it doesn't make any capricious difference with the M2 chips.
Your channel is awesome bro! Such detailed explanation, extensive research, and paying attention to what the people really want and need. Keep up the good work bro!
Your videos are simple, clear, straight to the point. In addition, the amount of thougt and effort you put into creating this quality content is really helpful. People, take a moment to appreciate this man's hard work and good energy. Thank you Josh
For upgrades a cheaper gaming laptop is great, you can add memory and storage. I am happy with my Lenovo Legion 5 Ryzen 5. Good battery life and good performance.
I stumbled upon your video while searching for information on my old Dell XPS 9530 and I must say, it was a pleasant surprise to see straightforward and honest reviews on laptops now these days. Your review was insightful and informative, and I appreciate the effort you put into providing a detailed overview of the product. However, I think it makes a lot more sense to hold onto old laptops as long as possible and upgrade them (if they can be upgraded) as needed. As someone who is still using an XPS 9530 after almost 10 years, I can attest to the fact that these machines can still perform well for everyday tasks such as office work and even some CAD and engineering work.
I sent my laptop in for a battery replacement battery thru Dell a year ago, which was too much at around $350 (expired warranty and w shipping ), but still better than buying a new laptop. I can second upgrading your current laptop however you can
I have many times planned to buy a Macbook. The difficulty of working with files on a MacBook stops me. I use TotalCommander all the time. I also noticed that there are programs(with whom I sometimes work) that are still not available on M-series processors. I'm also annoyed and repelled by Apple's petty deception --- they put slow memory or slow Wi-Fi or a slow card reader. Now they have put a very good screen, BUT they have added a “bangs” before and put a screen that is slow in response. Apple does some things great, BUT at the same time it does terrible things. He talks about the premium nature of his products and at the same time uses frankly old or bad components. Yes, those very expensive configuration fees. That's just terrible. And again, a deception when frankly slow memory is installed on the basic configuration.
100% agree that working with files and folders is a pain on Macs. Made worse by window management. The entire UX just feels tedious compared to windows.
If you need to manage files with 3rd party app, then the whole concept of the system is bad. Moreover, if you REALLY want to do that, there are plenty of apps that are on par or better, than Total Commander. Same principles, same shortcuts too. What is slow memory? Like you want to tell me you are going to notice difference between a theoretical 3000 MB/s (or faster) and 1500 MB/s when in reality, those are valid only for large streams (big big files) and most of the time you get 150 MB/s for smaller files on any SSD? Come on.
@@ZhuJo99 There is a comparison test and this test proves that the memory is slow in the base configuration. Apple's file system is disgusting and not active user friendly. Very serious backlog from Windows. Apple focuses on bloggers and photo and video content creators. The rest of the customers should suffer and suffer ... This extremely unpleasant attitude causes disappointment, misunderstanding and a lack of desire to use Apple products. Arrogance, arrogance and contempt from Apple .....
I feel you... Wtf is this Apple CloudStorage BS... They are obviously trying to get rid of the competition by putting physical restrictions on them so that we can all use iCloud Drive...
I'm very surprise finding no one refering to the different keyboard layout between Mac and PC. As Josh says, a basic experience of typing on a laptop should always be a consideration, and having the habit of a certain layout can be a real deal whenever you'll have to consider bying a laptop from those two categories. It's actually something that hold me back (at list a bit) from buying a Macbook Air, even though I really think I'd love the benefits of that laptop overall. I have the skill to be able to type without watching my keyboard, and I'm very afraid to loose that skill over a new Mac layout.
Hi, i was thinking similar but I needed more time in charge so i forced to choose Mac anyways. I am computer engineer and My first consideration object was typing like PC as a 7 years user. When i tried to use Mac keyboard, trackpad and MacOS system, It was like from Another world. I said that i had never use Keyboard and trackpad, especially trackpad, I really suggest this Apple Macbook keyboard and so on. I am using this for 2 years and i promised me that will never use other brand's keyboards anymore.
@@Emre_Bey67 Wait, what? You're actually saying Mabooks have excellent keyboards?? I got myself M2 Air and I've almost never been so disappointed about keyboard feel. It's really, really average. Trackpad is ok, but is way worse for ergonomics than ie. trackpoint imo. Also built quality sucks overall as keyboard is actually rubbing the display when it's closed and has began to show annoying microscratches on multiple areas, even though I don't even carry the device in bags etc.
I can touch type since 1973 typing class in high school. I've been a Windows desktop user since 1999 with Windows 98. I got the 13.6 M2 MacBook Air to go with my iPhone 13 Pro, taking me 3 years to pay it off. I love the keyboard on the Air, my fingers glide over the keys really fast. You shouldn't have any problems using it, and much better than my desktop keypad.
Software/OS reliability is a key too, small reference case yes, but varied brand/component PC's here at work are more reliable in this regards vs the Macs in work environment here. The Mac's can't run any hardware machines either, so service more basic needs too, which is a good thing as that would cost money in errors and productivity. OS basic software stability is a basic I feel.
Personally I came up with 15 reasons why PC is better, I will paste the text here to read for you and others Just Josh. Reasons why Windows is better than Mac OS. 1. There’s no option in the finder window for documents. Not even in the custom side menu options for the finder! 2. Macs are more expensive than Windows PCs. 3. You can game on Windows and get more games on Windows! Steam, Epic, EA. 4. The minimize, maximize, and close option are on the left instead of the right. Plus, the close button doesn’t really close, the real way to close is you have to top bar and click the application name and then press quit which is irritating! 5. Intel core i7, i9, xeon, and AMD Risen R7, R9, and thread ripper give more performance and are better than Apple M series ARM processors. 6. You can customize a PC by adding more ram, changing out the GPU, CPU, hard drive, the motherboard, the power adaptor, and even adding a DVD drive! You can’t do any of these on Mac with there M processors. 7. There are more options on Windows PCs. Dell, HP, Lenovo, Asus, Acer, and many more. Also more options of how powerful it is. 8. There are more freeware programs available for Windows. 9. Windows has a big backwards compatibility! DirectX is supported a lot because Microsoft made it. Got old games? DirectX 1 to 11 is all there, just instantly accept the installation of it. 10. The Apple mouse is kind of odd. One click, no second click, no wheel! 11. There are more developers on Windows and thus more application programs are available on it. 12. There are no USB3 inputs on Macs. Sure the Mac mini, but that’s it. All the other Macs only have thunderbolt4 which uses the same technology as USB-C. So you have to buy a stupid add on just so you can use an external hard drive or hook up a printer or anything else! 13. Windows has snap so you can snap your applications to fill screen, left, right, 3rd of screen and other options. Mac doesn’t have that at all! 14. PCs offer more options to select your device’s screen size, resolution, thinness, touchscreen capabilities, port types, and color. 15. PCs have more ports in general. USB3, USB2, ethernet, HDMI, display port, and more USB inputs than Macs have ever had. Spec for spec, PCs are ALWAYS CHEAPER!!!
Mac on a small screen is a nightmare to use. Especially with no touchscreen. Yes the trackpad is nice but that OS is not made for laptop sixes screens. The dock at the bottom and the menu bar at the top really cramp the screen real estate. Also no native screen snapping means you are swapping full screen apps. Horrendous. And…, magnet, rectangle, bettertouchtool are janky and do not give you windows experience.
Thanks for another great video, Josh! I'd really like to see a Linux laptop comparison on your channel some time. Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook, Purism, Juno, HP, Lenovo, Dell might be some contenders.
1. If you need to wright on screen go for surface or 2 in 1 2. If you need power or rare programs go windows 3. You you are a student you'll probably be fine with Galaxy tab8+ for 1/4 other devices price
It honestly does not matter which one you go with. However, with the new M architecture from Apple, Virtualization can sometimes be a problem for AARCH64/ARM64. From a developers perspective, macOS is amazing, even though it is a subset of Unix, I much prefer open source Linux variants like Ubuntu or Fedora. I think most people from what I remember in my computer science program used a Mac or a PC with Linux on it. They are all great machines.
I just don’t agree with the suggestion that “everyone else” should go Apple. Full disclosure - I am a long-term Apple user who is now for the first time in some time actually thinking about going back to Windows. Many people will be used to using Microsoft software for documents and spreadsheets - the main use for the vast majority of laptops after web browsing and videos. There is just no doubt the MS software is the best - or at least the most mature. Certainly better than pages etc and google docs etc. There is also no doubt that it that software subpar on Apple products. Even worse so if you want onedrive integration, as so many businesses now require - it is absolute rubbish on Apple - this is coming from someone who uses this all day every day on an M1 Max. Granted, that is partly because of Microsoft has not yet caught up - but it won’t because Windows is its main business. Lots of other developers are struggling to make their software run as efficiently on Apple - a good example is Adobe (Adcrobat DC is still hella slow!) Combine that with Apple making silly decisions eg no external drives to be able to host cloud storage - ridiculous when you consider how expensive Apple storage is, and that it is not upgradeable. So yes if you have a lot of money to spend, Apple will work just fine, probably - or possibly. But should that sector buy Apple? Ridiculous to suggest that is their only realistic option. Sounds a bit shill-ish I'm afraid
Gain/Pain in a switch of Mac/PC hardware platform. Time lost, new software to become familiar with, software that might not even be available... Multiply that by all the people in a business. It's more than just hardware.
Hardware quality of Macs are just great. But productivity wise I always do prefer Windows. For example Windows is just way better in windows and task management out of the box. Windows as OS is also much faster than MacOS. MacOS “tends to be” faster with some hipster animations, but it is actually slower :) So, what I have done is… I installed windows 11 on my M2 MacBook Air and I use Windows 99 percent of time on my Mac :) Excellent hardware with faster OS :)
@@TiBen3 Well, it is the Arm version of Windows so, it has the same limitations with Microsoft Surface Laptop I may say. But, depending on what you do for most people it is a great Windows environment. Funny but virtual PC in my Mac is a lot faster than my dedicated Asus PC :)
I only use one laptop for everything, and has to be windows because some work programs do not run on Macs. My present laptop its a surface laptop 4 i7, and i am very happy with it. My daughter has a surface pro 8 i7 and its a very nice machine.
Josh I really appreciate how you focus on the basics and help people like me get past the analysis paralysis rabbit hole that is laptop shopping. I need a portable machine to compile and run an Unreal game in active development while away from the office on a business trip, but I also want that same machine to be lightweight and comfortable to use on a plane or from a cafe for writing code and docs and emails for hours. Once I make up my mind I'll use your affiliate link and make your mom proud.
Definitely windows, so much more flexibility. Everything works on windows. I brought a MacBook Pro M2 because everyone was saying how great it was, how far from the truth that was.
Sure the Apple chips are amazing, but if you want a decent amount of RAM and SSD, it just gets way too expensive and you basically don't have anything under 1500-2000€. I'm really happy with my Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 ProX with 6800HS/16GB/1To, great 3k 120Hz screen and good build quality / keyboard trackpad. I paid 1200€. I don't think I could get anything that comes closes from Apple at this price point.
I don’t care. It one time pay. It pays itself by one invoice (or even less, depends on the configuration). Than it earns money for more time than any PC. And after 4 years or more, you will still sell it for nice money. Heck, I sold my 2015 MBP 13” for 350 euros few months ago. You will have a hard time to sell PC that is 3 years old. And as I said, it pays itself by one invoice. Then it earns money. Heck, my main computer paid itself 50x over it’s lifetime (since 2018) and it was way above 2000 euros. So I don’t give a shit.
If you are wondering, I’m a web developer in Slovakia, so no huge income in comparison to ie Germany. Not bad, sure, way above the average, but still. Say something above in between 2-3k euros
@@ZhuJo99 For a professional use, things are obviously different, but still, I like to pay the right price. I don't see how I would significantly benefit from the extra money needed for a Macbook. However, I did spend a lot of time finding the right Windows laptop for me.
Tomatot - What is the fan noise like on your Lenovo? Specifically the pitch? Some laptops have a really high pitched fan almost like an jet engine. Not a white noise type of whoosh. I can’t use laptops with a high pitch fan.
MacBooks are great, but for me, I could never justify not having upgradability or repairability on my laptop. If you want a Macbook with 16GB of RAM and 1TB of storage, you'll likely end up paying about $500 extra for those options. And if anything ends up failing when you're out of warranty, good luck, you might as well toss it in the bin because Apple has made it nearly impossible for common folk to repair them, and you'll most likely get denied for Apple Care . Anything with solded RAM or storage is an automatic no from me...
I'm mixed, I really want to switch over to Mac for school and work but I've been a life-time Windows gamer playing low-end games. I just hope I'm able to play basics like Minecraft or TBOI smoothly for example.
I recently had to make this decision for myself. - Musts for me were a large screen, high resolution, mini-led or oled. My usage case is what you refer to as the basics. Price was next big factor. As much as I loved the 16" MacBook Pro, I was firm that I wasn't going to pay $2500. In the end, I picked up Samsung's new Galaxy Book3 Pro for $1500. I've been very happy with my decision. The biggest weak point from my perspective, were the speakers. However, I mainly use it in my office at home, where I have access to my nice headphone setup. - With that being said, I'm super happy with it. I really love the keyboard. I had a Yoga in the past, and the shift key was a different size. I didn't think it would be a big issue, assuming I would get used to it. Boy was I wrong. It caused constant issues while typing. Another thing I've been really happy with is the touch pad. Palm rejection has been really good. It's huge and tracks perfectly. I've also enjoyed playing around with Windows 11. I had been in the Mac world for the past 2 years. So it's been fun seeing how things have changed over the years (yes for the better, in my opinion).
Biggest issue for me when switching from PC to Mac was the key mapping for development work. Such a pain. Still, build quality is so far ahead of any PC Laptop and is worth the price.
@@Laurzure Maybe, My expereience is with HP's and Dell's which are trash after 3 years. (probably by design as it aligns with local tax depreciation schedules). I've a mid 2015 MacBook Pro which is as good as the day i got it. My son had an Asus (12 months before the battery failed) and a Lenavo which to be fair held up ok for a good 5 years.
I don't like the idea of soldering the SSD on to the motherboard. I absolutely wll not buy any laptop with the soldered SSD. So I'm stuck with Windows laptop lol.
MSI Sword owner here. Actually, a white keyboard is the reason I bought this machine in the first place. I just love white machines and software because I work in a well-lit room, and there is a lot of light around me, so a glowing keyboard isn’t necessary for me. Upgraded SSDs and RAM already and use it for 2D- and 3D animation as well as some gaming in the morning. The speed of the fans is adjustable, so there are no problems there. I rarely travel, but a 42 cm (17 inches) built-in screen comes in handy when I do. I worked with Macs previously for creative tasks. They’re fine. But I’d rather keep my PC laptop-I’ve got all I need. High performance and acceptable mobility (as mentioned, I travel rarely). Also, a black keyboard is not for me. If Apple makes white keyboards... I might change my mind in the future.
I got the 13.6 M2 MacBook Air with 16 gigs of ram memory, and 512 SSD storage. This is my first laptop, and after almost 5 weeks, I love it. Very user friendly, and lightweight. I'm a longtime Windows desktop user since 1999, with Windows 98. I used to have a website, and build my own webpages. Since I don't have the site anymore, decided to go with a laptop. I have the iPhone 13 Pro, and thought the Air would work with my phone. Apple Store in NYC was able to sink MacBook Air to my iPhone. So glad I'm not tide to a desk anymore, and can sit in my couch with my legs up on my chaise, with laptop on my lap. It's very portable, and lightweight too. After the Mac class, put the Air in my crossbody laptop briefcase, and was able to walk around NYC without any strain on my shoulders. If you are a student or teacher, having to lug a laptop back and forth to school the 13.6 Air is perfect. If you are looking to future proofing your laptop, I recommend you upgrade to 16 gigs of ram, and 512 SSD storage, but keep the 8 core GPU. I looked at the 15 inch Air at Apple Store but, was not that impressed. Screen resolution was not much better than the 13.6 Air. I also had them put on Beach Boys "Wouldn't It Be Nice' to check out sound, was louder but, not any better. After my last Dell desktop with Windows 7 Pro and 2T hard drive died before 2 years, I gave up on Windows. Good video, explaining about both.
Of course, it is worth mentioning a very large amount of various and FREE software on laptops with Windows. Personally, I do not want to pay for programs and applications when there are free ones.
From a Mac user that never spends on programs and application's: it's simply not true that you have to spend in order to get programs. For almost every program you can think of there's an open source alternative that's at the same level if not better than the paid counterpart.
@Ivan Piri The problem is that some of them, like GIMP, have had trouble getting Mac developers, so the macOS ports are often running via Rosetta 2, don't run properly, don't run at all, or worst of all, are discontinued. Another example would be some FOSS IDEs.
Had to move from Apple to PC for my business as it's app specific, I also like to draw so the Lenovo Yoga 7i 16" with ARC for some casual gaming was an revelation for me personally.
@@ContraVsGigi yrs it's only a 370 but I'm running Elite Dangerous at decent FPS, from what I've read it's comparable to a 3050 so probably not good enough for AAA games, I also have the integrated Xe graphics which takes the smaller jobs away from the ARC., Performance in Photoshop and after effects is fantastic. Cost me $1,549 CAD.
For me, using Apple products is a no-go until they start working with Unreal Engine, even though I'm very interested in the M2 chip. Without that compatibility, I can't use the software I need for my work.
Same. Apple cutting ties with Nvidia was the major reason I stay away from them. They might say that we have better performing chips and all that but you just can't ignore the amount of innovation happening at companies like Nvidia. So rather than blocking them apple should work on collaboration for a better world.
Always enjoy your content. I use Windows, Linux and MacOS. I have an older MacBook Pro with 8gb ram and the display is stellar and performance is good. I don't use Final Cut Pro or the Adobe Suite. Apple is fantastic! they work seamlessly with other Apple products. If you buy a newer Mac and have problems they will help you at the Apple stores. That said you pay a premium for Apple devices. I love Linux on my Thinkpads which I dual boot with Windows 11. Its the display on my Macbook that I adore though. Windows 10 works very well via bootcamp on my Macbook also. If you have the extra $$$ and don't play games get a Macbook.
Thank you. One important aspect not mentioned. Ecosystem and related learning curve to switch it. If somebody is comfortable with windows and used it for years, switching to mac could be painful at least 1st few weeks. Also applies vice versa.
I really do love using Macs, but as a gamer they really do suck compared to Windows. In fact, it genuinely feels like the lack of AAA games has only gotten worse over time
The mains reason I prefer Windows laptops (at home I mainly use a Windows desktop): - I have some Windows only programs that I need daily and the only options would be subscribing to Parallels and bying a MacBook with at least 16GB RAM but preferably 32 to use the virtual machine - I want cellular _ I want maximum portability (laptops under 2 pounds) Apple has no cellular, no laptop at that weight, and charges extreme prices for high RAM/storage options I don't game, but the main reason I prefer a Windows desktop is the ability to have upgradable RAM and storage, including in MiniPCs
Office work=Microsoft = PC Power user/gamer=Intel 13th gen+nvidia = PC Keyboard Trackpad Speakers aren’t as important as he said… u definitely to need to invest in good external keyboard and mouse and headphones for real productivity work…. Pls don’t mislead people MacBook Air just for casual use MacBook Pro only for content producer who works in the wild who need real mobility…..
One additional consideration is whether you want your laptop to network with other machines, for example a desktop. This is simpler if they're both running the same OS.
Agreed. I find PCs a lot easier to work with other devices. Mac are more difficult and costly. Also, most companies are geared towards PCs. There are actually dongles to work around this issue, but that is just another expense for Macbooks.
As a Content creator and gamer, I'll have to choose both of them, for the mac is because of the reliability of the system and how you can work without being plugged in. For the windows is because the games are more compatible with the system and as you said, to be able to upgrade any of the components.
OS is more important. You should get a laptop that will best support your OS of choice. For me this means full AMD PC for Linux. Bought Yoga Slim 7 Pro and I don't regret it.
Right like the reason why I bought a Mac is because I’m a musician and I need my music production to just function. I don’t want to mess around with drivers. I just need my stuff to work. I wouldn’t necessary recommend a Mac to everyone but if they need something that just works, I would recommend a Mac.
I was wtaching your videos to decide which one i preferred. Then when i went to try them out personally I chose the Samsung Galaxy Book 3, and i'm glad i did. It has a touch screen OLED. USB. The build quality is great too
I just don't like the user experience on MacOS tbh. It's not as customizable operating system as Windows 10. And I'd have to either emulate Windows bc I'd be stuck w an ARM chip, and Linux on ARM sucks rn afaik. KDE Plasma & other distros are v Mac like, but with more customizability. (And the headaches of using linux lol)
I agree 100%. I never really liked the macOS workflow or the need to pay for tools just to make macOS usable (like Bartender to overcome the notch issue or Magnet to get proper snapping support). And then there's now the lack of Boot Camp support and Linux support being still not quite ready yet. Those are enough deal breakers to not buy Macs for me.
Great video. You forgot to mention that MacOS isn't compatible with most of the world. PC runs everything. Mac is so restricted that it's better to get an apple and run windows on it
If you really need the M chips and are tied to macOS exclusive applications, Apple is unfortunately your only choice. For literally everyone else who doesn't want to support Apple, and many other OEMs, the Framework Laptops are ideal.
Why every review take only "content creation" or "gaming" as options?! People may need laptops for Coding, Office Work, Architecture, Modeling, Simulation, Engineering and so on. Why nobody of you, bloggers, do not speak about this tasks?! 😤
My latest video is literally called "Best Laptops for Coding". Its available here: th-cam.com/video/ZmQCGskcrjI/w-d-xo.html . Let me know if you still feel this way after watching it
@@JustJoshTech, good video. Thank you, kind man. ☺ I just research some new info about "Win vs Mac for work" and did not know about your channel and that linked video. I just watched a list of videos about "win vs mac for work" and mostly was a compare "content creation" vs "gaming", that's why i went a little bit emotional 😇 Please, do not take it personal. 🙃
@@Isildan88 but I agree to your statement. Apple does not have nvidia cards and I work in AI, 3d , simulations and I am heavily dependent on cuda cores offered in nvidia cards. Its too bad apple decide to completely turn their head away from all the fantastic technology being developed at nvidia and decided to create something of their one rather then working in collaboration. and its sad that some people don't understand that there are people who are not just editing and browsing the web ...and that's it!
I tried Chrome, Linux but still went back to Windows every single time. I haven't tried Mac, I don't use an iPhone. Thus, I am not sure about the learning curvy of Mac.
I'm into IT and development since more than 40 years. Had one of the first Macs in '84 in South Germany, etc. ... I don't like Apple policy these days. Greetings and best wishes. P.S. same to phones: Android :)
If you are a gamer that is close to a power plug, Windows. If you care about quality, battery life, longevity, resale or what we call in Thailand, "face", OSX or a Macbook.
@@cameronbosch1213 Oh man, do I ever know. I agree, Apple is beyond not perfect and I'm not a fanboy. The big thing for me now is I can work like I have an RTX 4090 for anything BUT gaming but my battery lasts all day. When Intel or Microsoft figure out ARM and optimize it better they will be back in the fight for sure.
Lmao it's actually quite true in Thailand (especially the face). Apple products do hold resale value quite well. But I do have to disagree on the longevity since 2 of my friend's Macbook Pro which worth 60k Baht broke in 4 years while my cheaply made 20k Baht Acer from 2015 still works fine till these days. I guess the new Apple is not so great as the old!
@@mikaelahyakuya3485 Interesting, I believe it. I had a 2017 Macbook pro that had its keys all start falling off. They did actually replace the entire laptop for free about 2-years ago in Bangkok. Now my bro-in law here uses it. I hope my 16" M2 Max lasts longer. The thing cost a kidney :) I always buy my computers here with the Thai/US keyboard. When I travel to the US people are very curious about it :)
@@SmartByTravel She did have the same 2017 as yours. The backlit failed and apple wanted 20k Baht for the motherboard. So she bought a new MBP M1 instead. I actually don't have much hope on the reliability and longevity of the newer electronics (not only apple but also every manufacturers) They're made to be failed within like 5 years.
Honestly, I know this may sound ridiculous, but as much as I’d like to have a Mac I refuse to buy them because of macOS’s terrible handling of external mice and things such as the inability to disable mouse acceleration and decouple the mouse and trackpad scroll directions without a hacky, usually barely functional workaround (I have owned Macs in the past)
The one thing that has us thinking about adding a PC to our Mac arsenal (iPhones and iPads)… and price … is that we use PCs at work and there is the OS difference to overcome - how to do “simple” things.
On the surface the video title is dumb. Most people are not content creators or tech workers; they are either entrenched in the PC camp or the Apple camp, no matter how much greener the other side looks, rendering your title irrelevant. For me it will always be Windows PC and Android.
I'm actually the perfect person for a Mac, an academic who mainly uses a browser, Office, and music streaming. But, I don't want to get stuck in the Apple ecosystem. I went from Surface Laptop 1 to ThinkPad X1 Nano. I decided I wanted something bigger for side by side documents, so I bought a ThinkPad Z16 from the Lenovo Outlet to join the Nano. For $1100 plus tax, I got 32GB of RAM, a 2TB SSD, switchable graphics, and the 4K OLED screen. This is certainly overkill for me, but I think I'd rather have a computer that easily can do more than I need of it now, and doesn't slow down on those occasions when I edit photos. I like the ThinkPad keyboard and the trackpoint. I have a dock with a power button that turns on and off the laptops, so it works pretty well. Should I just have gotten a 15 inch MacBook Air? Probably. It would have better battery life and no fan noise. But I don't like the Mac keyboard, and I don't like the notch and menu bar.
It sucks how long I’ve researching for a windows laptop and still can’t find anything good and my budget is not that bad wish if I didn’t hate using Macs
Other stuff I like about Macs: thermals much better, fan noise non-existent, better keyboard, a better trackpad, ecosystem, ease of use to repair (5 Apple Centres within 20 miles), better performance per watt, quality; my last three Lenovos BSOD, my MB Pro 15 is 6.5 years old and still going as a desktop with my MB Pro 13 M1. Also, prefer software and mac)S versus Windows, though W11 is much better than W8 and early W10. Easy win for Macs, and I use both.
@@andyH_England Thermals and fan noise are not something I'd consider a win for Macs unless they're being compared to the worst or old Windows laptops. There's quite a few Windows laptops that have a fanless design, and some (like gaming laptops) that have very powerful cooling. The trackpad in Macs is probably about as good as the best Windows laptops, but it is not better (I'd probably call it a tie between the Surface Laptop 5 and a new Macbook Pro). Ecosystem - depends on what you're using it for, I'd probably consider Macs better for graphic design and medical imaging software, about the same for most other things, and a loser for gaming. Ease of use to repair? are you kidding me? Louis Rossman will probably tell you they're the worst for ease to repair, they seem to be increasingly designed with a view towards forcing you to get a new laptop rather than having it repaired, and if they can be repaired it will be at a high cost - definite win for PCs there (check the Framework laptop). Performance-wise they're not as good as a Windows gaming laptop if your needs require high performance. I'm forced to use a Mac because of work so I have experience with both OS, prefer Windows 11 - might be down to my software needs.
I been a using Windows for a long time but when the moment I switch to Mac I love it. Especially the Force Touch Trackpad. That's the only reason I don't wanna go back to Windows
I think I’ve seen the perfect laptop that you and all of us are looking for. I believe we would greatly appreciate a review of the new Lenovo slim pro 9i. I can’t get it until you approve of it. It’s not officially released yet though
@@JustJoshTech If you get a chance, please check out the Lenovo Yoga 7 Gen 8 14" AMD 7000 series. On paper it ticks every box for my needs, but I haven't seen any reviews of it yet, & I'd be keen to get your view.
I'm running a Macbook M2 Max with Parallels running Windows 11 and every form of Linux but it's just for fun, I really don't need or use Windows or Linux except to just have fun playing. My M2 is a workhorse and I can't even touch the power, even with pro camera gear and having 50 chrome tabs open for my primary job.
A lifelong Windows user, the M1 processor piqued my interest. Thanks to your videos, I chose an M1 air 8/256 (a great deal at around $600). Less than a year later I am absolutely won over. I just sold my Air M1 at $750 to get an Air M2 8/512 at $900 and it's incredibly good. I should never have bitten into the apple x)
I get a macbook m2 pro 2 days ago from my company after I changed my job position to the developer team. After two day I can tell about pro's and cons which I have noticed so far. The fact that there is no fan noise is one of the biggest benefits for me. But why the heck is the window management on macos is so complicated, was my first thoughts. I think after some time i will get used to it but after 20-25 years of windows it is very hard. So I can recommend for students buy a macbook air and get used to it as early as you can.
@@proksalevente Thank you. I have already heard about Rectangle and also Spectacle but unfortunately I have not found the time to try it out yet. I just asked chatgpt again what the differences are and was going to try spectacle. However, it seems that spectacle is no longer maintained actively.
I agree. I go back and forth between a Mac Mini desktop and a Lenovo Win 11 laptop at the office. Win 11 out of the box is much better with window management. But I finally got used to using Magnet and now have those key combinations down for much more efficient window management on the Mac.
@@CycleDoc675 I am cycling to between a managed HP laptop and the "light managed" MacBook at the moment. Office work like webex meetings and E-Mail management I have to do with the HP. I have also a 5 years old Acer Aspire and two external monitors. When I connect the mac over a Dockingstation with my external monitos, which have "only" full hd resolution you can see a huge difference. So I am thinking about to replace the two 24' monitors with a 32' 4k monitor. But I have to check the Acers max. resolution because 1920x1080 would be very bad solution on a 32' monitor/display.
For me, the reason why I would choose Mac over Windows (PC might be a wrong term for me as every computer is a PC in its own way) is 1. Good for normal use (using internet, social media, typing etc etc ). Considering the processing power, battery and weight here. Comparable Windows laptops don't check all the boxes at the same time. 2. Apple ecosystem is generally unbeatable. If you are in that ecosystem, don't look anywhere else. 3. MacOS is very close to Linux in terms of its CLI. While development tools exist for both platforms, Linux and Mac is very similar in configuring those tools with CLI. Windows' Powershell is getting the support for linux and there is WSL but honestly not really a fan of those at all. Why I would choose Windows over Mac 1. Good virtualization support. I design distributed applications and I would need intel CPU that would give me better understanding of how my applications will be running in datacenter. I know I am in 0.1% who think that way. 2. Gaming. There is no brainer in that. 3. They have better specs. You can easily upgrade them at any time. Rest is very similar. MacOS is very intuitive, Windows 11 is quite intuitive as well. Performance is quite similar. Resource management is also very similar. Development support is also very similar.
Also Macbooks don't play nice w non-Apple phones. It's so annoying how they push you to use all of their ecosystem. I am still traumatized by the days of using itunes with smth other than an ipod.
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I love that you put the consumer first in your reviews. A lot of tech youtubers forget how their audience actually uses laptops. Yes, there are good laptops for heavy gaming or content creation, but 80% of people are just googling things and watching Netflix.
A good laptop has to cover the basics first, then add the fancy stuff for specialised use.
Keep up the good work Josh!
Thanks mate!
I guess that's the difference between closed vs closed/open platform (customizable to personal lvl)
Spot on, all the Apple fanboys claiming that a macbook can render videos 5 seconds faster and can do calculation 3% faster. For an overall coverage of usage an Apple product is nowhere near a windows laptop in terms of browsing, media and gaming.
Only gays use MacBooks.
At that point people should just buy a chromebook though...
Josh, you made your mother proud, I think this was a very fair and accurate comparison. We're a dual platform household with my wife using Windows machines exclusively (desktop and laptop) while I use both a Mac desktop and laptop, and a Windows PC for those mission critical applications that Apple either can't adequately duplicate or simply cost too much to change.
I think it's interesting that HP laptops were the example of poor design/quality choices because I stopped using their products several years ago for those reasons, around the time HP acquired Compaq.
I agree with you that the Macbooks offer a great experience for people who are okay with spending in that budget range. I have been a Windows user all my life (usually buying the big bulky gaming laptops) and I switched to the 13" M1 MBP about 2 years ago. I am really happy with the device, cause it nails the basic aspects of a laptop so well - screen, performance, battery, design and inputs.
However, I do miss gaming on my laptop, the ability to install Linux and the port selection on this particular laptop is absolutely horrendous (2 USB-C ports close together is a massive fail on Apple's part). I am pretty agnostic about the OS itself, since other than gaming, it's totally fine and has it's pros and cons over Windows. In the end, it's all about what you want and (more importantly) the compromises you are willing to make.
There’s also a thing called Asahi Linux that allows you to fully install Linux on a Mac, Boot Camp-style with full support for most drivers and ports.
I should mention everything I just said applies to Apple Silicon only, Intel Macs obviously can just use Boot Camp and become essentially x64 Windows/Linux laptops.
@@trey_a_12 the best advice to any linux enthusiast falling for the casual user category is to just buy a macbook with upgraded ram and storage and then once asahi becomes production ready install and use any linux distro of choice with the kernel version that has everything in asahi upstreamed.
Got M2 Air and I'm not very happy with it. Ok the batterylife is really good. But build quality is seriously lacking. I though Macs have excellent keyboards, well apparently they don't feel is actually really mediocre and absolutely horrible compared to ie. old T-series IBM's. Speakers are though very good compared to most PC laptops. Display is good, but huge BUT. I've began to notice screen getting microscratches from keyboard, even though I never carry it in bag. Only display closed and very miniscule, but even more annoying scraches. Took me weeks to figure that those marks indeed match with keyboard. I sure as heck wasn't expecting this poor design. If I could I'd now buy some new Ryzen laptop in a heartbeat. It very much looks like this is my first and last macbook. Also the 8gigs RAM is really poor. I was fooled by many TH-camrs recommending base models, but man the amount is way too low. Few measly programs open and it hits swap. Like F360 and Chrome opened and that's it.
@@trey_a_12asahi linux isnt ready normie
@@nethshansiriwardena508or you know. Dont buy any macshit.
I'm an engineering student, if you came to my university you would change your mind about how rare people using convertible laptops as tablets are. I'm not saying we are more than ipad users, but it's VERY easy to find someone like me who like to have one single device to take notes at lessons and do some programming, or cad, or even video editing (take an Asus flow x13 or x16 for example, it can do everything I need with ease).
I'm looking forward to see the new surface laptop studio 2, as it has the best form factor for what I do, and packs a lot of performance in a very reasonable size
I have to agree with this I think it's a lot more common now to see 2 and 1. The laptops I saw the most where macbooks and some form of 2 and 1. More common at schools.
Same here. I use a touchscreen with pen input while studying physics. Being able to type an assignment, & use a pen to draw sketches & equations all one a single device is so much better than switching between multiple devices. Then being able to take a break & do some gaming is a huge bonus. I like being able to get everything done on a single device.
I went with a Yoga for the tablet option, what a joy to use.
Ever since I switched to Surface Pro devices, all the traditional clamshell laptops without pen & touch seem like antiques from a bygone era.
@@JohnSmith-gb8hd Until you try to use the Surface Pro as a LAPtop ;) I went for the ipad + proper laptop route
256GB non-upgradable, soldered storage is just pure evil.
get external ssd?
not an issue since all my documents are in the cloud, if you’re a creator then storage is an issue but for a very very bug majority its not an issue
I can go with just 120GB because i only use mine for docs, web and sometimes movie. Im more concerned with the none upgradable ram for some laptops.
@@Tech-gv6qkso I guess you only use a 300 dollars laptop?
@@jaimepabon9983 probably doesn't realize his activities can be done on chrome books
Whether you run PC or Mac can depend on the available application ecosystem for each platform. If you are just using a PC for email, general office and browsing, you can go either way. If you need something more workstation for a specific application/use case, your options may be more limited.
Indeed. I use for example Power BI Desktop to create stuff for my customers. That eliminates Macs from the picture. I ended up with Lenovo Legion Pro with 32GB RAM and 3TB storage. I especially like the screen on it as I can see quite much of data model structure at once etc.
I’m confused by this stance, if you buy a Mac, you can get Windows on it via Parallels for instance, so you have access to all Windows eco system. Which you can’t do if you own a windows device. Surely it’s a no brainer to get a Mac so you have IOS with the benefit of getting windows as well?
@@rw3078 a few points: 1) virtualized OS is not as good as native, 2) virtualized OS cannot run all software, 3) native OS that is not useful for me is not a benefit, but a negative.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 fair comment, and again it comes back to what software the user actually needs. Agree, virtualised OS isn’t as good as natural, but there have been big steps where it’s fairly seem less now.
@@rw3078 indeed. For many the software (or hardware combos) available on Mac are optimal and for other use cases Windows or Linux machines are the ways to go. Thus there are no nobrainers on this space.
I like your decision making process. A lot of people find it quite difficult to switch from the ecosystem they are familiar with but if you are able to get past that the logic you present here is pretty spot on.
Josh, I think you forgot one little thing - OS.
I mean, I've used mac for a year, but I could not accept OS and finally I've bought Thinkpad (yeah, it runs Linux now, but I'm ok about windows) and thanks god I've not spent my own money on mac as it was given by employer.
The main reason why our household moved to an all-Mac / Apple ecosystem is that I became tired of being the family's IT support. Unfortunately, non-tech savvy users struggle with usability and tech issues way too often with Windows. Since we have switched, the number of events I have had to deal with has probably reduced by 90%. The Mac also can have a lower cost of ownership if you consider built-in, open-source, and free-to-use software. Also, when you add IOS software compatibility this expands the apps that can be used on the Mac. I do agree that Gaming and maybe some specialized technical uses are way better served by the Windows ecosystem, but everything else can work well with MacOS.
That is my experience. I could not get a new router to setup with my W8 machine, way back when. Frustrated by Windows for a while, I went to the shop and bought a Mac. The router was setup within minutes and I have not looked back since. I am a simple person with basic requirements and macs have been better for me since then. I do dabble with Windows and admit W11 is much better than the dark days of W8/early W10.
You arent simple if you know what W8/W11 even is
I agree with you, but not at all.
The problem with Macbook is unrepairability. So if you are the IT at home, forget about replacing almost anything on a Macbook.
Meanwhile, Framework is totally the opposite: a modular computer that allows you to repair any component or just upgrade it for a better one. But they need to grow up and release Framework16. It would be great to have better prices too, because at the moment its so expensive.
And about software you can install any OS on a Windows laptop (not sure if its still possible to install Mac OS on a x86 laptop), meanwhile in the new ARM Macbooks you just can emulate OS at the moment, but it seems to work pretty well. I dont agree with Apple's policy about not allowing the user to install other OS. If I bought it, its mine and I should do whatever with it. They should get a penalty about this.
Enjoy paying overpriced storage on icloud instead of upgrading SSD on a windows machine
Lower cost of ownership? Apple's high entry cost ensures this won't be the case, lol. I like Apple for their battery life on their laptops, but it's insanely expensive.
Good advice overall. Maybe the availability of high quality free software should also count as a plus for PC.
Exactly..this is a big deal specially for students
Can you enlighten me with a few examples.
@@shubhayughosh4016 Microsoft Excel advance features work with PCs, not Macbooks. This is huge for professional analysts roles. I was a former health insurance underwriter and I cannot imagine not using those advance features. Macros, Pivot table, Vlookup, ...etc.
@@akin242002 Ohh interesting. I have barely ever used Excel but always heard that if you wanna use Excel just get windows, but i never quite unedrstood why. Thanks :>
Still, the parent comment talks about HQ free software..and i would wager macOS has lots of free knick knacs if you search online enough (like small menu bar tools)
@@PaulPlay bro i want to buy a computer laptop because i intend to dive in programing and cibersecurity what's your recommendation?
Josh, this is probably the best and most practical and balanced comparison of Macs and PCs I have seen. My daughter is a gamer and a devout PC user. I'm a Mac user. You essentially articulated why each of us has chosen the right platform for our needs. Great job!
Excellent, detailed and thoughtful video! There may be certain advantages to the Macs from a usability perspective, but a huge disadvantage is Apple's decision to restrict the upgrade and repair of their devices by end-users, and especially with 3rd party repair. This means cost-prohibitive repairs which result in devices becoming e-waste sooner, and driving up the total cost of ownership in the long run. For me personally, "getting the basics right" would also include laptops where the RAM and SSD aren't soldered to the motherboard and can be easily upgraded or swapped out if defective, as well as ones that make parts available so that you're not replacing an entire system board if a port goes bad.
That explains why i chose to be with PCs. Apple ecosystem are arbitrary expensive and uncalled for especially where technology advancement in production of RAM and SSD sticks are concerned. SSDs and RAM production cost has gone down over the years. In Apple Eco system the abilty to upgrade these is impossible, the ability to install other programs(None Apple) is also impossible, the folks at Apple are mean to the fact that getting additional thurnderbolt 4 slots or USB-type A on a device (which should be made standard for backward compactibility) requires one to spend extra bucks on a dongle where already they have broken the bank to get that Mac, it's insane and yet in PC ecosystem we're spoilt for choice without breaking an arm.
The problem is, Dell has started to ape Macbooks in some ways, especially by soldering the RAM to the motherboard in their 2024 XPS lineup.
1% already has an answer: LINUX! 🤓
P.S.: first 😎
King has spoken
How is Linux on laptops? Do laptops last longer on battery on windows? I'm curious, since I'm running Nobara OS on my pc too
@@MangoReader it really depends. Some laptops are great and can even last longer than in Windows.
@@MangoReader it's very good. My old laptop with a trash celeron can't handle windows 10 at full speed at all, and original features, like the touchscreen won't work at all. After I installed linux mint, it feels like i bought it new (no lag, better battery, all functions restored (cuz correct drivers)).
You should also mention one crucial downfall of M series Macs: if any of your soldered components in your Mac fails when you're out of warranty you're pretty much screwed as they can't be repaired or replaced. This is also valid for some Windows PCs too with soldered RAM.
With the exception of the Dell XPS 13 9315, the storage is at least removable, so if the SSD fails, it's a job that doesn't require an entire (and expensive) motherboard replacement.
That's exactly why I don't buy Macs and I'm going with the Framework Laptop 16 when it comes out for preorder.
Soldered RAM is an automatic no no when buying laptops. Unfortunately the manufacturers get away with this stupid trend.
Whennwas the last time you saw somehing like that to happen?
Let me know how many 5+ year old PC laptops you see out in the wild compared to how many 5+ year old Mac laptops are still in use
@@allknightlong84 Given the high cost nature of Macs, the abundance of budget options on Windows, & the wide ratio of Windows devices to Macs, i'd say it's a little daft to draw a simplistic comparison like that. Also, my 16 year old Sony Vaio is still going strong, & i've seen older laptops out there too.
Indeed, for 700-800$ band, you may easily find a PC laptop having an Nvidia RTX graphics card and 512 GB SSD. Besides, finding free software is very easy for Windows. New Intel and AMD Ryzen processors are also good. However, Apple M1-M2 chips are still very good for power efficiency, having very long battery lives.
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Thanks for the video. I found it helpful. I'm currently having issues with my older Windows laptop and am ready to buy another device which will hopefully last me another 5 or so years. I think I fall into the last category you mentioned in that I have the money to buy whatever I want and as I've gotten older I really only use my PC for surfing the web, reddit, TH-cam emails etc... I game on consoles so I have no interest in my laptops gaming ability. It looks more and more like I would see a pretty noticeable difference in the day to day tasks I do if I went MacOS. As a life long Windows user I find that a little overwhelming. These devices are not cheap these days and I sure don't want to buy a Mac only to be disappointed. The one big thing I think I'd miss on MacOS is the ability to snap my windows to each side. I really like having TH-cam or other video playing on one side of the screen while surfing the web or reading reddit on the other. It's such a smooth feature that I know is missing on MacOS. I really wish Apple would get a better window management system. It's really surprising that they have not addressed this after all these years. Anyway, thanks again.
You absolutely nailed it. After years of constantly trying to force myself into PCs, I’ve come to realize that MacBook is all I need. I’m 99% doing office work, browsing, and consuming content. The only PC that comes close is the Surface. Macs are so simply to use and I can’t even remember the last time I turned off my computer.
Aren't macs also pc's? Doesn't pc mean personal computer or am I wrong
@@josh9159generally yes but it seems like pc in the US is for windows.
Neat, my experience with a mac is terrible. have to shut down constantly other wise the damn thing would freeze.
it occurs on my business 2019 core i7 gen 10th macbook pro (16gb, ram), and an M1 macbook air (8gb ram)
I prefer a macbook for daily use. The portability and build quality is unmatched in my opinion. The one thing I absolutely hate about Windows and Linux laptops is power draw when unplugged. But I prefer having a Linux PC as a desktop computer.
You nailed the discussion here Josh. I agree with you on all your points. I have a PC desktop for gaming/personal stuff and a Mac laptop for work. The new Framework gaming laptop is very interesting though. I could see myself replacing my desktop with that in the future!
I am a student at industrial design and I use a Mac. From my experience I can say that a Mac laptop comes with more quality of life benefits but there are a lot of apps, especially in engineering that are windows only so I would personally add the price of $130 of Parallels to the price of the laptop since I consider it a must.
Yes also for students of microbiology, many programs in that field are windows-only. People with mac laptops sometimes literally needed to work together with people who had windows laptops to get the exercises done
What is the specific life of quality with a Mac, what we experience as windows users over and over again is that single macbook guy always finicking with settings to get things running. This happens without exception. Sometimes it is the wifi beamer he cannot connect, then he cannot share content in zoom or teams or any other app for that matter, or they ask for dongles that they forget to bring this day. and many many many other things.
@@HikmetDemirci-l9ythe quality exists in the audio and video industry. Otherwise the rest is marketing when it comes to macs.
99% of people who use MacBooks who say they are creative…only surf the web and check email using the browser and don’t even know how to setup iMessage. They just use their phone. They have 200 junk files littered in their desktop and do t even know how to adjust view setting for the files to snap to the grid.
Hehe, exactly!
A Macbook wasn't an option for me because of its terrible docker performance. I have to use x86 docker images, and my Linux laptop is way more performant than a M2 laptop by far.
I ended up choosing a Thinkpad which isn't perfect, but doesn't have major flaws. And more important, it has a very good Linux compatibility.
My prob with Linux (Ubuntu, at least) on a laptop is the battery life, so I have to live with Hyper-V or remote desktop to an Ubuntu old desktop pc at home.
Go, watch Alex Ziskind, it is just the other way around, as far as I remember.
I’m fortunate enough to own these two specific models. I had my MacBook Pro before owning the Asus Zephyrus. I’m really happy with my MacBook Pro for productivity (analyzing data, making reports, programming, etc.). However, at some point of my life, I did not realize that I would need another operating system for specific Softwares during my engineering studies, so I had to get the Asus. Both computers are very powerful and do the job they are intended to very well. Both have pros and cons against each other, but I think the question on whether to get a MacBook or a PC should be based on the user’s needs and main purpose for it. Main point is, define what your needs are and then get the most appropriate computer for those needs.
Do you know if Macbooks have dished key caps, similar to Lenovo's high end laptops? I've never even seen a Mac in real life, and live far from an apple store.
My PC journey began because my family could not afford anything from Apple when I was young so we had a cheap PC desktop. After that I stuck to PC laptops as I could have a singular machine that had a wide selection of games, could run all my school and work software, was not space demanding, and easier on my budget. Nowadays, even though I have met many people who do all sorts of work on a Mac and I can afford one, I haven't invested in that ecosystem so now I just stick with PC.
The switch I have been trying to make recently is to Linux, but sadly there are still some software that Linux can't run natively or within WINE and that holds me back.
Minus gaming, macOS is better than Windows at almost everything.
@@chrisx5127 That really depends on your choice of software and the context. I have seen both macOS and Windows excel at about the same things. The only real loser in the OS battles is Linux as there are still so many applications not supported on Linux.
@@chrisx5127 Not Excel or Power BI. Both work better for PCs if you work as an analyst. Especially the advance features.
@@chrisx5127smoothbrain argument
@@EvanSittlinux? Loser? Lmaooooo
Josh is the laptop reviewer we all need. Great work.
Also, that Zenbook 14 you featured at 6:58 - INCREDIBLE laptop. It has no right to be as good as it is, especially if you get it on sale. I own one myself.
I was using the MI air 2 laptop before I switched to the 2023 MacBook Pro 16 inch. I don't mean that the MI one wasn't good but I chose Apple because of the productivity it offers and also the sleek appearance it owns. Although my current Macbook is equipped with the M1 chip it doesn't make any capricious difference with the M2 chips.
Your channel is awesome bro! Such detailed explanation, extensive research, and paying attention to what the people really want and need. Keep up the good work bro!
Thank you so much. It's comments like yours that make me do what I do. In fact all of us here
Your videos are simple, clear, straight to the point. In addition, the amount of thougt and effort you put into creating this quality content is really helpful. People, take a moment to appreciate this man's hard work and good energy. Thank you Josh
For upgrades a cheaper gaming laptop is great, you can add memory and storage. I am happy with my Lenovo Legion 5 Ryzen 5. Good battery life and good performance.
I have an M1 Macbook Air but still want a decent Windows laptop because it fits my lifestyle more. Macs are nice but they are in a different realm
I stumbled upon your video while searching for information on my old Dell XPS 9530 and I must say, it was a pleasant surprise to see straightforward and honest reviews on laptops now these days. Your review was insightful and informative, and I appreciate the effort you put into providing a detailed overview of the product. However, I think it makes a lot more sense to hold onto old laptops as long as possible and upgrade them (if they can be upgraded) as needed. As someone who is still using an XPS 9530 after almost 10 years, I can attest to the fact that these machines can still perform well for everyday tasks such as office work and even some CAD and engineering work.
I am using the same laptop (the original 1080p model) , and reading this helps me feel better about holding out on an upgrade 😂
I sent my laptop in for a battery replacement battery thru Dell a year ago, which was too much at around $350 (expired warranty and w shipping ), but still better than buying a new laptop. I can second upgrading your current laptop however you can
I have many times planned to buy a Macbook. The difficulty of working with files on a MacBook stops me. I use TotalCommander all the time. I also noticed that there are programs(with whom I sometimes work) that are still not available on M-series processors. I'm also annoyed and repelled by Apple's petty deception --- they put slow memory or slow Wi-Fi or a slow card reader. Now they have put a very good screen, BUT they have added a “bangs” before and put a screen that is slow in response.
Apple does some things great, BUT at the same time it does terrible things. He talks about the premium nature of his products and at the same time uses frankly old or bad components.
Yes, those very expensive configuration fees. That's just terrible. And again, a deception when frankly slow memory is installed on the basic configuration.
100% agree that working with files and folders is a pain on Macs. Made worse by window management. The entire UX just feels tedious compared to windows.
Thirty years an Apple slave but I'm free at last!
If you need to manage files with 3rd party app, then the whole concept of the system is bad.
Moreover, if you REALLY want to do that, there are plenty of apps that are on par or better, than Total Commander. Same principles, same shortcuts too.
What is slow memory? Like you want to tell me you are going to notice difference between a theoretical 3000 MB/s (or faster) and 1500 MB/s when in reality, those are valid only for large streams (big big files) and most of the time you get 150 MB/s for smaller files on any SSD? Come on.
@@ZhuJo99 There is a comparison test and this test proves that the memory is slow in the base configuration.
Apple's file system is disgusting and not active user friendly. Very serious backlog from Windows.
Apple focuses on bloggers and photo and video content creators. The rest of the customers should suffer and suffer ... This extremely unpleasant attitude causes disappointment, misunderstanding and a lack of desire to use Apple products. Arrogance, arrogance and contempt from Apple .....
I feel you... Wtf is this Apple CloudStorage BS... They are obviously trying to get rid of the competition by putting physical restrictions on them so that we can all use iCloud Drive...
I'm very surprise finding no one refering to the different keyboard layout between Mac and PC. As Josh says, a basic experience of typing on a laptop should always be a consideration, and having the habit of a certain layout can be a real deal whenever you'll have to consider bying a laptop from those two categories. It's actually something that hold me back (at list a bit) from buying a Macbook Air, even though I really think I'd love the benefits of that laptop overall. I have the skill to be able to type without watching my keyboard, and I'm very afraid to loose that skill over a new Mac layout.
Hi, i was thinking similar but I needed more time in charge so i forced to choose Mac anyways. I am computer engineer and My first consideration object was typing like PC as a 7 years user.
When i tried to use Mac keyboard, trackpad and MacOS system, It was like from Another world. I said that i had never use Keyboard and trackpad, especially trackpad, I really suggest this Apple Macbook keyboard and so on. I am using this for 2 years and i promised me that will never use other brand's keyboards anymore.
@@Emre_Bey67 Wait, what? You're actually saying Mabooks have excellent keyboards?? I got myself M2 Air and I've almost never been so disappointed about keyboard feel. It's really, really average. Trackpad is ok, but is way worse for ergonomics than ie. trackpoint imo. Also built quality sucks overall as keyboard is actually rubbing the display when it's closed and has began to show annoying microscratches on multiple areas, even though I don't even carry the device in bags etc.
I can touch type since 1973 typing class in high school. I've been a Windows desktop user since 1999 with Windows 98. I got the 13.6 M2 MacBook Air to go with my iPhone 13 Pro, taking me 3 years to pay it off. I love the keyboard on the Air, my fingers glide over the keys really fast. You shouldn't have any problems using it, and much better than my desktop keypad.
Software/OS reliability is a key too, small reference case yes, but varied brand/component PC's here at work are more reliable in this regards vs the Macs in work environment here. The Mac's can't run any hardware machines either, so service more basic needs too, which is a good thing as that would cost money in errors and productivity. OS basic software stability is a basic I feel.
Personally I came up with 15 reasons why PC is better, I will paste the text here to read for you and others Just Josh. Reasons why Windows is better than Mac OS.
1. There’s no option in the finder window for documents. Not even in the custom side menu options for the finder!
2. Macs are more expensive than Windows PCs.
3. You can game on Windows and get more games on Windows! Steam, Epic, EA.
4. The minimize, maximize, and close option are on the left instead of the right. Plus, the close button doesn’t really close, the real way to close is you have to top bar and click the application name and then press quit which is irritating!
5. Intel core i7, i9, xeon, and AMD Risen R7, R9, and thread ripper give more performance and are better than Apple M series ARM processors.
6. You can customize a PC by adding more ram, changing out the GPU, CPU, hard drive, the motherboard, the power adaptor, and even adding a DVD drive! You can’t do any of these on Mac with there M processors.
7. There are more options on Windows PCs. Dell, HP, Lenovo, Asus, Acer, and many more. Also more options of how powerful it is.
8. There are more freeware programs available for Windows.
9. Windows has a big backwards compatibility! DirectX is supported a lot because Microsoft made it. Got old games? DirectX 1 to 11 is all there, just instantly accept the installation of it.
10. The Apple mouse is kind of odd. One click, no second click, no wheel!
11. There are more developers on Windows and thus more application programs are available on it.
12. There are no USB3 inputs on Macs. Sure the Mac mini, but that’s it. All the other Macs only have thunderbolt4 which uses the same technology as USB-C. So you have to buy a stupid add on just so you can use an external hard drive or hook up a printer or anything else!
13. Windows has snap so you can snap your applications to fill screen, left, right, 3rd of screen and other options. Mac doesn’t have that at all!
14. PCs offer more options to select your device’s screen size, resolution, thinness, touchscreen capabilities, port types, and color.
15. PCs have more ports in general. USB3, USB2, ethernet, HDMI, display port, and more USB inputs than Macs have ever had.
Spec for spec, PCs are ALWAYS CHEAPER!!!
Mac on a small screen is a nightmare to use. Especially with no touchscreen. Yes the trackpad is nice but that OS is not made for laptop sixes screens. The dock at the bottom and the menu bar at the top really cramp the screen real estate. Also no native screen snapping means you are swapping full screen apps. Horrendous. And…, magnet, rectangle, bettertouchtool are janky and do not give you windows experience.
I want a windows laptop that gets the basics perfectly. Especially with keyboard, build quality, and battery.
Being able to run
Thanks for another great video, Josh! I'd really like to see a Linux laptop comparison on your channel some time. Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook, Purism, Juno, HP, Lenovo, Dell might be some contenders.
1. If you need to wright on screen go for surface or 2 in 1
2. If you need power or rare programs go windows
3. You you are a student you'll probably be fine with Galaxy tab8+ for 1/4 other devices price
It honestly does not matter which one you go with. However, with the new M architecture from Apple, Virtualization can sometimes be a problem for AARCH64/ARM64. From a developers perspective, macOS is amazing, even though it is a subset of Unix, I much prefer open source Linux variants like Ubuntu or Fedora. I think most people from what I remember in my computer science program used a Mac or a PC with Linux on it. They are all great machines.
As a developer, i hate using macos. It just does a lot of silly, unintuitive things and impossible to customize so many things.
@@nivoset what silly unintuitive things are you referring to? Can you kindly elaborate?
I just don’t agree with the suggestion that “everyone else” should go Apple.
Full disclosure - I am a long-term Apple user who is now for the first time in some time actually thinking about going back to Windows.
Many people will be used to using Microsoft software for documents and spreadsheets - the main use for the vast majority of laptops after web browsing and videos. There is just no doubt the MS software is the best - or at least the most mature. Certainly better than pages etc and google docs etc. There is also no doubt that it that software subpar on Apple products. Even worse so if you want onedrive integration, as so many businesses now require - it is absolute rubbish on Apple - this is coming from someone who uses this all day every day on an M1 Max.
Granted, that is partly because of Microsoft has not yet caught up - but it won’t because Windows is its main business. Lots of other developers are struggling to make their software run as efficiently on Apple - a good example is Adobe (Adcrobat DC is still hella slow!)
Combine that with Apple making silly decisions eg no external drives to be able to host cloud storage - ridiculous when you consider how expensive Apple storage is, and that it is not upgradeable.
So yes if you have a lot of money to spend, Apple will work just fine, probably - or possibly. But should that sector buy Apple? Ridiculous to suggest that is their only realistic option. Sounds a bit shill-ish I'm afraid
Gain/Pain in a switch of Mac/PC hardware platform. Time lost, new software to become familiar with, software that might not even be available... Multiply that by all the people in a business. It's more than just hardware.
Hardware quality of Macs are just great. But productivity wise I always do prefer Windows. For example Windows is just way better in windows and task management out of the box. Windows as OS is also much faster than MacOS. MacOS “tends to be” faster with some hipster animations, but it is actually slower :) So, what I have done is… I installed windows 11 on my M2 MacBook Air and I use Windows 99 percent of time on my Mac :) Excellent hardware with faster OS :)
How did you install Windows on the mac?
@@TiBen3 With Parallels Desktop software. As virtual machine.
@@aycangonenc ah alright, figured as much. Does it compromise the performance a lot? And are all Windows festures available?
@@TiBen3 Well, it is the Arm version of Windows so, it has the same limitations with Microsoft Surface Laptop I may say. But, depending on what you do for most people it is a great Windows environment. Funny but virtual PC in my Mac is a lot faster than my dedicated Asus PC :)
I only use one laptop for everything, and has to be windows because some work programs do not run on Macs. My present laptop its a surface laptop 4 i7, and i am very happy with it. My daughter has a surface pro 8 i7 and its a very nice machine.
Josh I really appreciate how you focus on the basics and help people like me get past the analysis paralysis rabbit hole that is laptop shopping. I need a portable machine to compile and run an Unreal game in active development while away from the office on a business trip, but I also want that same machine to be lightweight and comfortable to use on a plane or from a cafe for writing code and docs and emails for hours. Once I make up my mind I'll use your affiliate link and make your mom proud.
Which laptop did you opt for, im looking for laptop with similar use.
Definitely windows, so much more flexibility. Everything works on windows.
I brought a MacBook Pro M2 because everyone was saying how great it was, how far from the truth that was.
Sure the Apple chips are amazing, but if you want a decent amount of RAM and SSD, it just gets way too expensive and you basically don't have anything under 1500-2000€. I'm really happy with my Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 ProX with 6800HS/16GB/1To, great 3k 120Hz screen and good build quality / keyboard trackpad. I paid 1200€. I don't think I could get anything that comes closes from Apple at this price point.
That is the curse of Eurozone... Things are a lot different in US or Asia.
I don’t care. It one time pay. It pays itself by one invoice (or even less, depends on the configuration). Than it earns money for more time than any PC. And after 4 years or more, you will still sell it for nice money. Heck, I sold my 2015 MBP 13” for 350 euros few months ago.
You will have a hard time to sell PC that is 3 years old.
And as I said, it pays itself by one invoice. Then it earns money. Heck, my main computer paid itself 50x over it’s lifetime (since 2018) and it was way above 2000 euros. So I don’t give a shit.
If you are wondering, I’m a web developer in Slovakia, so no huge income in comparison to ie Germany. Not bad, sure, way above the average, but still. Say something above in between 2-3k euros
@@ZhuJo99 For a professional use, things are obviously different, but still, I like to pay the right price. I don't see how I would significantly benefit from the extra money needed for a Macbook. However, I did spend a lot of time finding the right Windows laptop for me.
Tomatot - What is the fan noise like on your Lenovo? Specifically the pitch? Some laptops have a really high pitched fan almost like an jet engine. Not a white noise type of whoosh. I can’t use laptops with a high pitch fan.
Paying 1200+ dollars if you’re just doing casual tasks like browsing the web seems like a waste of money
I've been thinking the same thing. When I hear 12-1300 dollars for casual computing seems too much
MacBooks are great, but for me, I could never justify not having upgradability or repairability on my laptop. If you want a Macbook with 16GB of RAM and 1TB of storage, you'll likely end up paying about $500 extra for those options. And if anything ends up failing when you're out of warranty, good luck, you might as well toss it in the bin because Apple has made it nearly impossible for common folk to repair them, and you'll most likely get denied for Apple Care . Anything with solded RAM or storage is an automatic no from me...
Basics you say? What about their ridiculous prices with zero upgradability, very limited fictionality, and only 6 years of OS support?
That’s the same for any PC
I'm mixed, I really want to switch over to Mac for school and work but I've been a life-time Windows gamer playing low-end games. I just hope I'm able to play basics like Minecraft or TBOI smoothly for example.
I recently had to make this decision for myself. - Musts for me were a large screen, high resolution, mini-led or oled. My usage case is what you refer to as the basics. Price was next big factor. As much as I loved the 16" MacBook Pro, I was firm that I wasn't going to pay $2500. In the end, I picked up Samsung's new Galaxy Book3 Pro for $1500. I've been very happy with my decision. The biggest weak point from my perspective, were the speakers. However, I mainly use it in my office at home, where I have access to my nice headphone setup. - With that being said, I'm super happy with it. I really love the keyboard. I had a Yoga in the past, and the shift key was a different size. I didn't think it would be a big issue, assuming I would get used to it. Boy was I wrong. It caused constant issues while typing. Another thing I've been really happy with is the touch pad. Palm rejection has been really good. It's huge and tracks perfectly. I've also enjoyed playing around with Windows 11. I had been in the Mac world for the past 2 years. So it's been fun seeing how things have changed over the years (yes for the better, in my opinion).
I’m thinking about going for an XPS 15 or 17, surface laptop studio, or Razer blade 15 oled
@@myqaveli Solid choices, as long as you know you’ll be putting the discrete gpu to work. Might also consider the Asus Strix and ROG line.
@@sarrum7696 I’m experimenting right now, I had the ROG FLOW z13 with intel i9 was a beast but to small and hurt my hands when using the key board
Biggest issue for me when switching from PC to Mac was the key mapping for development work. Such a pain. Still, build quality is so far ahead of any PC Laptop and is worth the price.
Must have got a poor PC then
@@Laurzure Maybe, My expereience is with HP's and Dell's which are trash after 3 years. (probably by design as it aligns with local tax depreciation schedules). I've a mid 2015 MacBook Pro which is as good as the day i got it. My son had an Asus (12 months before the battery failed) and a Lenavo which to be fair held up ok for a good 5 years.
I don't like the idea of soldering the SSD on to the motherboard. I absolutely wll not buy any laptop with the soldered SSD. So I'm stuck with Windows laptop lol.
As a tech enthusiast myself, I’ve decided to not compromise for windows i have my gaming pc, and for Mac I have a MacBook
what is the cost of the high end i9 windows laptops that are used for gaming, that crushed the M2 Max Pro performance on multi core?
MSI Sword owner here. Actually, a white keyboard is the reason I bought this machine in the first place. I just love white machines and software because I work in a well-lit room, and there is a lot of light around me, so a glowing keyboard isn’t necessary for me. Upgraded SSDs and RAM already and use it for 2D- and 3D animation as well as some gaming in the morning. The speed of the fans is adjustable, so there are no problems there. I rarely travel, but a 42 cm (17 inches) built-in screen comes in handy when I do. I worked with Macs previously for creative tasks. They’re fine. But I’d rather keep my PC laptop-I’ve got all I need. High performance and acceptable mobility (as mentioned, I travel rarely). Also, a black keyboard is not for me. If Apple makes white keyboards... I might change my mind in the future.
If you had to buy a device to transfer your consciousness which brand would you trust windows or Mac
Wow, here we have a clear winner.
I got the 13.6 M2 MacBook Air with 16 gigs of ram memory, and 512 SSD storage. This is my first laptop, and after almost 5 weeks, I love it. Very user friendly, and lightweight. I'm a longtime Windows desktop user since 1999, with Windows 98. I used to have a website, and build my own webpages. Since I don't have the site anymore, decided to go with a laptop. I have the iPhone 13 Pro, and thought the Air would work with my phone. Apple Store in NYC was able to sink MacBook Air to my iPhone. So glad I'm not tide to a desk anymore, and can sit in my couch with my legs up on my chaise, with laptop on my lap. It's very portable, and lightweight too. After the Mac class, put the Air in my crossbody laptop briefcase, and was able to walk around NYC without any strain on my shoulders. If you are a student or teacher, having to lug a laptop back and forth to school the 13.6 Air is perfect. If you are looking to future proofing your laptop, I recommend you upgrade to 16 gigs of ram, and 512 SSD storage, but keep the 8 core GPU. I looked at the 15 inch Air at Apple Store but, was not that impressed. Screen resolution was not much better than the 13.6 Air. I also had them put on Beach Boys "Wouldn't It Be Nice' to check out sound, was louder but, not any better. After my last Dell desktop with Windows 7 Pro and 2T hard drive died before 2 years, I gave up on Windows. Good video, explaining about both.
Of course, it is worth mentioning a very large amount of various and FREE software on laptops with Windows. Personally, I do not want to pay for programs and applications when there are free ones.
From a Mac user that never spends on programs and application's: it's simply not true that you have to spend in order to get programs. For almost every program you can think of there's an open source alternative that's at the same level if not better than the paid counterpart.
@Ivan Piri The problem is that some of them, like GIMP, have had trouble getting Mac developers, so the macOS ports are often running via Rosetta 2, don't run properly, don't run at all, or worst of all, are discontinued.
Another example would be some FOSS IDEs.
@@cameronbosch1213 have only just switched to mac and haven't used Gimp yet, what are the challenges I should look out for?
@@cameronbosch1213 Sorry, just checked, Gimp is supposed to be native now so perhaps I will be ok
@@ggproductions7078 It took a very long time, and there are some other applications that still aren't ported.
Had to move from Apple to PC for my business as it's app specific, I also like to draw so the Lenovo Yoga 7i 16" with ARC for some casual gaming was an revelation for me personally.
You have an ARC (dedicated) in the laptop? I don't think I've seen a review for one like that. How is it?
@@ContraVsGigi yrs it's only a 370 but I'm running Elite Dangerous at decent FPS, from what I've read it's comparable to a 3050 so probably not good enough for AAA games, I also have the integrated Xe graphics which takes the smaller jobs away from the ARC., Performance in Photoshop and after effects is fantastic. Cost me $1,549 CAD.
For me, using Apple products is a no-go until they start working with Unreal Engine, even though I'm very interested in the M2 chip. Without that compatibility, I can't use the software I need for my work.
Same. Apple cutting ties with Nvidia was the major reason I stay away from them. They might say that we have better performing chips and all that but you just can't ignore the amount of innovation happening at companies like Nvidia. So rather than blocking them apple should work on collaboration for a better world.
pc laptops give you WAY more options
8 gig on a M1 or M2 is a joke
Since I like windows software more...would you recommend buying a Mac and installing windows?
Always enjoy your content. I use Windows, Linux and MacOS. I have an older MacBook Pro with 8gb ram and the display is stellar and performance is good. I don't use Final Cut Pro or the Adobe Suite. Apple is fantastic! they work seamlessly with other Apple products. If you buy a newer Mac and have problems they will help you at the Apple stores.
That said you pay a premium for Apple devices. I love Linux on my Thinkpads which I dual boot with Windows 11. Its the display on my Macbook that I adore though. Windows 10 works very well via bootcamp on my Macbook also. If you have the extra $$$ and don't play games get a Macbook.
Thank you. One important aspect not mentioned. Ecosystem and related learning curve to switch it. If somebody is comfortable with windows and used it for years, switching to mac could be painful at least 1st few weeks. Also applies vice versa.
It’s been months, I hate this Os, have to google anything I want to tweak to my taste because it’s hidden somehow
Hey sorry that is unrelated but do you think you'll review the framework 16inch someday?
Im pretty sure he will its really hyped rn
He's got to😂
I really do love using Macs, but as a gamer they really do suck compared to Windows. In fact, it genuinely feels like the lack of AAA games has only gotten worse over time
The mains reason I prefer Windows laptops (at home I mainly use a Windows desktop):
- I have some Windows only programs that I need daily and the only options would be subscribing to Parallels and bying a MacBook with at least 16GB RAM but preferably 32 to use the virtual machine
- I want cellular
_ I want maximum portability (laptops under 2 pounds)
Apple has no cellular, no laptop at that weight, and charges extreme prices for high RAM/storage options
I don't game, but the main reason I prefer a Windows desktop is the ability to have upgradable RAM and storage, including in MiniPCs
Office work=Microsoft = PC
Power user/gamer=Intel 13th gen+nvidia = PC
Keyboard Trackpad Speakers aren’t as important as he said… u definitely to need to invest in good external keyboard and mouse and headphones for real productivity work….
Pls don’t mislead people
MacBook Air just for casual use
MacBook Pro only for content producer who works in the wild who need real mobility…..
One additional consideration is whether you want your laptop to network with other machines, for example a desktop. This is simpler if they're both running the same OS.
Agreed. I find PCs a lot easier to work with other devices. Mac are more difficult and costly.
Also, most companies are geared towards PCs. There are actually dongles to work around this issue, but that is just another expense for Macbooks.
As a Content creator and gamer, I'll have to choose both of them, for the mac is because of the reliability of the system and how you can work without being plugged in. For the windows is because the games are more compatible with the system and as you said, to be able to upgrade any of the components.
OS is more important. You should get a laptop that will best support your OS of choice. For me this means full AMD PC for Linux. Bought Yoga Slim 7 Pro and I don't regret it.
Right like the reason why I bought a Mac is because I’m a musician and I need my music production to just function. I don’t want to mess around with drivers. I just need my stuff to work. I wouldn’t necessary recommend a Mac to everyone but if they need something that just works, I would recommend a Mac.
I was wtaching your videos to decide which one i preferred. Then when i went to try them out personally I chose the Samsung Galaxy Book 3, and i'm glad i did. It has a touch screen OLED. USB. The build quality is great too
I just don't like the user experience on MacOS tbh. It's not as customizable operating system as Windows 10. And I'd have to either emulate Windows bc I'd be stuck w an ARM chip, and Linux on ARM sucks rn afaik. KDE Plasma & other distros are v Mac like, but with more customizability. (And the headaches of using linux lol)
I agree 100%. I never really liked the macOS workflow or the need to pay for tools just to make macOS usable (like Bartender to overcome the notch issue or Magnet to get proper snapping support).
And then there's now the lack of Boot Camp support and Linux support being still not quite ready yet. Those are enough deal breakers to not buy Macs for me.
Win 10 and 11 suck though. The last good Win is 7 but not all modern games support it.
Great video. You forgot to mention that MacOS isn't compatible with most of the world. PC runs everything. Mac is so restricted that it's better to get an apple and run windows on it
If you really need the M chips and are tied to macOS exclusive applications, Apple is unfortunately your only choice. For literally everyone else who doesn't want to support Apple, and many other OEMs, the Framework Laptops are ideal.
What would a "tied to uos" case exist?
Why every review take only "content creation" or "gaming" as options?! People may need laptops for Coding, Office Work, Architecture, Modeling, Simulation, Engineering and so on. Why nobody of you, bloggers, do not speak about this tasks?! 😤
My latest video is literally called "Best Laptops for Coding". Its available here: th-cam.com/video/ZmQCGskcrjI/w-d-xo.html . Let me know if you still feel this way after watching it
@@JustJoshTech, good video. Thank you, kind man. ☺ I just research some new info about "Win vs Mac for work" and did not know about your channel and that linked video. I just watched a list of videos about "win vs mac for work" and mostly was a compare "content creation" vs "gaming", that's why i went a little bit emotional 😇 Please, do not take it personal. 🙃
@@Isildan88 but I agree to your statement. Apple does not have nvidia cards and I work in AI, 3d , simulations and I am heavily dependent on cuda cores offered in nvidia cards. Its too bad apple decide to completely turn their head away from all the fantastic technology being developed at nvidia and decided to create something of their one rather then working in collaboration. and its sad that some people don't understand that there are people who are not just editing and browsing the web ...and that's it!
The problem is every girl thinks she’s a content creator as well as every left wing male loon. “Content creator” these days just means “I use a Mac”.
I tried Chrome, Linux but still went back to Windows every single time. I haven't tried Mac, I don't use an iPhone. Thus, I am not sure about the learning curvy of Mac.
What about software engineers? Or data scientists? Which will be the better choice?
Linux on a Thinkpad
Linux on an XPS.
Linux on almost any laptop.
Mac are not the good option here. Thinkpad are better fit for it
LEGION SLIM 7 is great! I edit videos, stream live, play fast paced FPS games and do school work. Also other leisure activities like Netflix
Are you using Win 11 though? I have Legion 7 and I cannot stand Win 11.
I'm into IT and development since more than 40 years. Had one of the first Macs in '84 in South Germany, etc. ...
I don't like Apple policy these days.
Greetings and best wishes.
P.S. same to phones: Android :)
If you are a gamer that is close to a power plug, Windows. If you care about quality, battery life, longevity, resale or what we call in Thailand, "face", OSX or a Macbook.
Sounds like you don't know about Apple's continued design fails. Watch Louis Rossman's videos. And yes, this is still happening.
@@cameronbosch1213 Oh man, do I ever know. I agree, Apple is beyond not perfect and I'm not a fanboy. The big thing for me now is I can work like I have an RTX 4090 for anything BUT gaming but my battery lasts all day. When Intel or Microsoft figure out ARM and optimize it better they will be back in the fight for sure.
Lmao it's actually quite true in Thailand (especially the face). Apple products do hold resale value quite well. But I do have to disagree on the longevity since 2 of my friend's Macbook Pro which worth 60k Baht broke in 4 years while my cheaply made 20k Baht Acer from 2015 still works fine till these days. I guess the new Apple is not so great as the old!
@@mikaelahyakuya3485 Interesting, I believe it. I had a 2017 Macbook pro that had its keys all start falling off. They did actually replace the entire laptop for free about 2-years ago in Bangkok. Now my bro-in law here uses it. I hope my 16" M2 Max lasts longer. The thing cost a kidney :) I always buy my computers here with the Thai/US keyboard. When I travel to the US people are very curious about it :)
@@SmartByTravel She did have the same 2017 as yours. The backlit failed and apple wanted 20k Baht for the motherboard. So she bought a new MBP M1 instead.
I actually don't have much hope on the reliability and longevity of the newer electronics (not only apple but also every manufacturers) They're made to be failed within like 5 years.
Honestly, I know this may sound ridiculous, but as much as I’d like to have a Mac I refuse to buy them because of macOS’s terrible handling of external mice and things such as the inability to disable mouse acceleration and decouple the mouse and trackpad scroll directions without a hacky, usually barely functional workaround (I have owned Macs in the past)
The one thing that has us thinking about adding a PC to our Mac arsenal (iPhones and iPads)… and price … is that we use PCs at work and there is the OS difference to overcome - how to do “simple” things.
On the surface the video title is dumb. Most people are not content creators or tech workers; they are either entrenched in the PC camp or the Apple camp, no matter how much greener the other side looks, rendering your title irrelevant. For me it will always be Windows PC and Android.
I'm actually the perfect person for a Mac, an academic who mainly uses a browser, Office, and music streaming. But, I don't want to get stuck in the Apple ecosystem.
I went from Surface Laptop 1 to ThinkPad X1 Nano. I decided I wanted something bigger for side by side documents, so I bought a ThinkPad Z16 from the Lenovo Outlet to join the Nano. For $1100 plus tax, I got 32GB of RAM, a 2TB SSD, switchable graphics, and the 4K OLED screen. This is certainly overkill for me, but I think I'd rather have a computer that easily can do more than I need of it now, and doesn't slow down on those occasions when I edit photos.
I like the ThinkPad keyboard and the trackpoint. I have a dock with a power button that turns on and off the laptops, so it works pretty well.
Should I just have gotten a 15 inch MacBook Air? Probably. It would have better battery life and no fan noise. But I don't like the Mac keyboard, and I don't like the notch and menu bar.
It sucks how long I’ve researching for a windows laptop and still can’t find anything good and my budget is not that bad wish if I didn’t hate using Macs
Things I prefer from Apple laptops: the speakers and battery life.
Things I prefer from high-end Windows laptops: Everything else.
Other stuff I like about Macs: thermals much better, fan noise non-existent, better keyboard, a better trackpad, ecosystem, ease of use to repair (5 Apple Centres within 20 miles), better performance per watt, quality; my last three Lenovos BSOD, my MB Pro 15 is 6.5 years old and still going as a desktop with my MB Pro 13 M1. Also, prefer software and mac)S versus Windows, though W11 is much better than W8 and early W10. Easy win for Macs, and I use both.
@@andyH_England Thermals and fan noise are not something I'd consider a win for Macs unless they're being compared to the worst or old Windows laptops. There's quite a few Windows laptops that have a fanless design, and some (like gaming laptops) that have very powerful cooling. The trackpad in Macs is probably about as good as the best Windows laptops, but it is not better (I'd probably call it a tie between the Surface Laptop 5 and a new Macbook Pro). Ecosystem - depends on what you're using it for, I'd probably consider Macs better for graphic design and medical imaging software, about the same for most other things, and a loser for gaming. Ease of use to repair? are you kidding me? Louis Rossman will probably tell you they're the worst for ease to repair, they seem to be increasingly designed with a view towards forcing you to get a new laptop rather than having it repaired, and if they can be repaired it will be at a high cost - definite win for PCs there (check the Framework laptop). Performance-wise they're not as good as a Windows gaming laptop if your needs require high performance. I'm forced to use a Mac because of work so I have experience with both OS, prefer Windows 11 - might be down to my software needs.
I been a using Windows for a long time but when the moment I switch to Mac I love it. Especially the Force Touch Trackpad. That's the only reason I don't wanna go back to Windows
You're conflating hardware and software. Windows is an OS, Mac is hardware.
I bought a Macbook Pro and Mac Studio. I have buyer's remorse now. I'm going to switch over to PC. Microsoft office just works better on Windows.
I think I’ve seen the perfect laptop that you and all of us are looking for. I believe we would greatly appreciate a review of the new Lenovo slim pro 9i. I can’t get it until you approve of it. It’s not officially released yet though
I'll ask them to send me one
@@JustJoshTech Awesome, looking forward to seeing the upcoming review!
@@JustJoshTech If you get a chance, please check out the Lenovo Yoga 7 Gen 8 14" AMD 7000 series. On paper it ticks every box for my needs, but I haven't seen any reviews of it yet, & I'd be keen to get your view.
@@JustJoshTech Must be nice LOL.
@Chris X Each laptop that comes in is around 20 to 30 hours of work to review, Chris. It's not free!!
I'm running a Macbook M2 Max with Parallels running Windows 11 and every form of Linux but it's just for fun, I really don't need or use Windows or Linux except to just have fun playing. My M2 is a workhorse and I can't even touch the power, even with pro camera gear and having 50 chrome tabs open for my primary job.
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A lifelong Windows user, the M1 processor piqued my interest. Thanks to your videos, I chose an M1 air 8/256 (a great deal at around $600). Less than a year later I am absolutely won over. I just sold my Air M1 at $750 to get an Air M2 8/512 at $900 and it's incredibly good. I should never have bitten into the apple x)
You bought m1 at $600 and sold it at $750? That's crazy
Just noticed James Grant and Jody Wistenoff on set, on b-roll, good music taste Josh 🤩
I get a macbook m2 pro 2 days ago from my company after I changed my job position to the developer team. After two day I can tell about pro's and cons which I have noticed so far. The fact that there is no fan noise is one of the biggest benefits for me. But why the heck is the window management on macos is so complicated, was my first thoughts. I think after some time i will get used to it but after 20-25 years of windows it is very hard. So I can recommend for students buy a macbook air and get used to it as early as you can.
That's true.
@@proksalevente Thank you. I have already heard about Rectangle and also Spectacle but unfortunately I have not found the time to try it out yet. I just asked chatgpt again what the differences are and was going to try spectacle. However, it seems that spectacle is no longer maintained actively.
@@tayfununver3330 get rectangle then
I agree. I go back and forth between a Mac Mini desktop and a Lenovo Win 11 laptop at the office. Win 11 out of the box is much better with window management. But I finally got used to using Magnet and now have those key combinations down for much more efficient window management on the Mac.
@@CycleDoc675 I am cycling to between a managed HP laptop and the "light managed" MacBook at the moment. Office work like webex meetings and E-Mail management I have to do with the HP. I have also a 5 years old Acer Aspire and two external monitors. When I connect the mac over a Dockingstation with my external monitos, which have "only" full hd resolution you can see a huge difference. So I am thinking about to replace the two 24' monitors with a 32' 4k monitor. But I have to check the Acers max. resolution because 1920x1080 would be very bad solution on a 32' monitor/display.
For me, the reason why I would choose Mac over Windows (PC might be a wrong term for me as every computer is a PC in its own way) is
1. Good for normal use (using internet, social media, typing etc etc ). Considering the processing power, battery and weight here. Comparable Windows laptops don't check all the boxes at the same time.
2. Apple ecosystem is generally unbeatable. If you are in that ecosystem, don't look anywhere else.
3. MacOS is very close to Linux in terms of its CLI. While development tools exist for both platforms, Linux and Mac is very similar in configuring those tools with CLI. Windows' Powershell is getting the support for linux and there is WSL but honestly not really a fan of those at all.
Why I would choose Windows over Mac
1. Good virtualization support. I design distributed applications and I would need intel CPU that would give me better understanding of how my applications will be running in datacenter. I know I am in 0.1% who think that way.
2. Gaming. There is no brainer in that.
3. They have better specs. You can easily upgrade them at any time.
Rest is very similar. MacOS is very intuitive, Windows 11 is quite intuitive as well. Performance is quite similar. Resource management is also very similar. Development support is also very similar.
Also Macbooks don't play nice w non-Apple phones. It's so annoying how they push you to use all of their ecosystem. I am still traumatized by the days of using itunes with smth other than an ipod.