Democracy not Theocracy. Republicans, especially the “Christians” are cruel and inhumane. As they say, “There is no hate like Christian love.” Vote Blue. Save democracy.
You take out Trump, so I hope you help Christian voters know who to vote for. Who is the presidential candidate who will be respected by world leaders at a time in history. Do you reveal that person in your book? It's not a religious battle. It is political. Are they intersecting NOW when it has't been much of an issue for a very long time. Who can fill the shoes of both sides of this coin?
Catholic Church & School, 9 siblings we were a very normal middle of the road. No evangelizing, wearing our religion on our sleeve. No one else's business!!!😊
Finally! Someone with a Christian perspective I can agree with. These days I often feel all alone as a Christian while being surrounded by "Christians".
@@charlottebeseke5596 Religion and Government have no business intersecting. Separation of Church and State. Trump exposed the cruelty and hypocrisy of American organized religion.
Kathy, you're not alone. Look at the participation of all Christian churches in the last decade. It not because people don't believe in God. It's because people founds the churches practices are very hypocritic.
Jimmy Carter is a wonderful Christian Man who as a retired senior and former President of the United States ushered a Peace accord between the Egyptians and Israel, climbed up on roofs in Habitat for Humanity, and admitted he was flawed & human. He has been 'blessed and highly favored' by God. Watched 8/22/2024.
As a Christian I support separation of Church and State and your right to live in a country where the only reason you would go to church would be by choice and never as a condition of living here.
Hear, hear! Imagine being told that you can´t enter the country unless you not only profess to believe your life to be magically ruled by an invisible supernatural being, but only by a *particular* invisible supernatural being. But if Trump understands nothing else (such as how to correctly pronounce "2 Corinthians"), he recognizes how easy it is to cynically manipulate the evangelical Christian vote.
I saw this in another post. It describes Trump perfectly. “It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.” ― Joseph Heller, Catch-22
. Isn,t this truly how satan would fool people , who should know better,if they truly were following God,s path . Now , billboards thru-out the country . This is a message that should be shouted from the rooftops , hopefully opening the minds of those still reachable . I do believe 'some ' previous so called Christians followers are falling away from him . Thank God . We,ve all need to keep on praying to open more hearts and minds . Seems human logic doesn,t seem to cut it anymore .
That could have been written anytime over the last seven years! Trump is an Abominable No-man, an empty vessel. Nothing gets through to him unless it threatens him directly.
You're an analytical thinker. I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you being who you are. Praises to you n your praises to Trump! Thank you; I appreciate your speaking the truth.
Charlie, As a 77 year old black woman who is a Methodist, thank you and Tim Alberta for an exquisite hour of truth. Tim answered a lot of questions I had. His response to your queries and his statements have me ordering his book tonight. Intelligent and stimulating conversation , thank you.
My brother or sister, a Christian is a follower of what Almighty God in JesusChrist do, not what men do.... Satan got men going to a building called church, God in JesusChrist created man to be the church; God in JesusChrist is from heaven, and came to save, deliver, set his people free from the things of this world, the traps of Satan: Like the false church, building worships, and all other things of man; sports, entertainment industry, music industry, hospitals...... But so many people look to this world for help, and have a lack of trust in God, Almighty and Alpowerful God in JesusChrist, our Creator, like he can't fix what He created .
Agree 💯 with this brother. I tell it like it is. I have too. These right wing evangelicals are going to be in a big shock when they see all the chaos that's about to happen. Just one thing remember who puts and takes away Kings.
I quote: "Trump at his core is a predator and preys on easy targets. Evangelicals, and many religious people in general, were taught to rely on faith which in many cases came at the expense of critical thinking."
Beware of teachers who come disguised as harmless sheep ,but are wolves and will tear you apart.Matthew 7-15.This verse is so Trumpian in so that he convinces his lost sheep to follow and do anything he says.
My husband said something negative about Trump to his mom and she replied, “Don’t you dare talk like that in my house about the chosen man of God.” I haven’t spoken to her since and either have my kids. It’s been an escalating dumpster fire of cultism and that was the last straw.
My evangelical cousin promised that I would be sent to "the camps" along with everyone else. If that is the sentiment toward family, I shudder to imagine what they would do to strangers. I am heartbroken for this nation, for this people, for this species. Where is the love?
I have a sibling with similar sentiments...(and mind you this is a church going Bible reading/believing 'christian') They never threatened me personally, but they do want to round up their 'enemies' and throw them into camps... that was a few years ago when I assumed they meant mostly card carrying Democrats. But at this point I now assume it's anyone who doesn't love Trump like they do... which would include all Dems, most Independents and a lot of Republicans too... (I'm a card carrying Independent, so yes, I would be a target, along with a whole lot of other people I know) Yeah, me heartbroken too - and 'what the hell is wrong with these people' is my cry as well. Trumpism and what it's done to these people is truly sickening...
The whole "camps" thing is so bizarre... 1. I know a wide variety of people... I know Dems/liberals/progressives/athietsts etc... and NEVER have I heard them want to throw Christians or GOPers or evangelicals into camps... but as you testify here, it seems to be a thing among these far right christians! They want to round up people and put them into camps! And sometimes they might say it kind of joking like, but I'm inclined to take them seriously 2. This is coming from the same people who yelled and screamed about "death camps" when Obamacare was being debated... and none of them seems to have a clue about their own self-irony 3. And this comes from a group of people who are super sensitive about being labeled racists and Nazis! - Yet this "we'll send you to the camps" keeps slipping out of their mouths... How stupidly un-self-aware does one have to become to do this?
It reminded me of "The Nazi theodicy demanded the existence of an Enemy..." (Poliakov, Harvest of Hate: The Nazi Program for the Destruction of Jews in Europe. Available in the Internet Archive.) : fascism, including Christofascism, being structured on fear of/ disgust at The Other, and worshipful belief in a powerful and protecting human Leader / Party, needs a target to both fear for its strength and despise for its weakness - and, inevitably, to hate. When the Christian Nationalists fit themselves to the 14 aspects of fascism, they left no room for the God of Love, the one who saw the despised Samaritans as his neighbours. They need to hate the Other, and trust the Party, even if it means ignoring the evidence of their personal experiences. Like the Inquisition, they will torture the Other "to save their souls." I hope the madness does not break America before the nation finds a cure. China and BRICS will cheer on the collapse.
I grew up in the church and I can tell you that they are are the most judgmental people I've ever known. That's why they like Trump. However, his supporters don't seem to realize that Trump could care less and his actions throughout his life reflect that. The worst part is that they interpret the bible to support their own biases and hatred.
I had to leave my megachurch when I realized they were worshiping Trump instead of Jesus. So I went back to the Catholic Church of my childhood thinking they would not have made the same mistake as Biden is a Catholic. I was shocked when the Catholic priests made right-wing talking points all throughout his sermon including saying don't be fooled by people who say they're a Catholic.... Obviously referencing Biden. I am still a devoted Christian, I pray everyday I read my Bible, I make an effort to be kind to people and helpful. But I feel like I know what it must have been like to be a true Christian in Germany when so-called Christians were hating on Jews. Unfortunately I feel outnumbered.
Religious people cling to a few non-negotiables, like anti-abortion, strong military, ……whether Catholic or not; Catholic preachers don’t get much into the Kingdom of God as preached by Jesus, from what I’ve heard
One of these churches in Texas, you might know which one, actually wrote a tune called "Make America Great Again." The American Conservative even saw the problem with this.
@@MrCsifan55 Christianity is on the decline in America. I put some of the blame on corporate worship that has turned worship into entertainment about feeling good. Clearly, the GOP right now too campaigns on this kind of faith in its leaders. They are entertainers void of any really philosophical depth, and the message is about feeling good by preaching to the choir while avoiding truth. As someone who was part of one of these home-grown churches, it's not a bad idea to walk away instead of being fed false doctrine like the prosperity gospel.
I’ve never posted a response to any video before. As someone who attended Bible college, and has continued to study both the Old and New Testament for the past 50 years, this one of the best explanations of the current state of the American evangelical movement that I have heard. Thank you for your work. I hope that the Church will listen to this message.
You guys have a lot of work cut out for you battling the fascism in the Christian community. Good luck because I don't think you'll win this fight, they are beyond redemption.
@@redbarchetta8782 The problem is the politicians, IN BOTH PARTIES, have made it as “A battle between good and evil.” The Republicans have added Christianity into the mix.
@mcsq5899 that not what was said. Reading comprehension priblem. The poster offered that she was black, not Tim. I'm sure she was distinguishing ing herself from white evangelicals who by the way are not Christians.
I suggest Tim research Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island, who was a devout Christian who believed that Native Americans should be treated as neighbors and not pushed into the wilderness. Because he was too loving, he was set to be literally tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. He escaped, but he left us with the best quote ever from a founding father: "When you mix politics and religion, you get politics."
As a former member of a large Southern Baptist Church (white evangelical) Rush Limbaugh was listened to by the church leaders back in the 1980s. In 1984 when Reagan was running for a second term as president the chairmen of the deacons said "I don't understand how any Christian could vote against Reagan." The Southern Baptists have been moving towards Christian Nationalism since the 1980s.
@scottwebster Precisely my own recollection of the timeframe. My family were members of West Hunter Street Baptist since the 1920s, all officers of the church when Rev. Ralph Abernathy became its pastor. Following Dr. King’s death, church, as I’d always understood it, remained the same-until the Age of Jim & TammyFaye Baker, as I call it. Subtle changes, initially, but by the time the 700 Club, Pat Robertson & TBN, TCN, Daystar, etc., launched, a full-blown cavalcade march to materialism, stardom of “ministers,” skirting of accountability, ostentatious excess, & secular entertainment was already streaming in to the former traditional church!! Add in the money being garnered by Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar (Copeland’s sidekick), TD Jakes & others on the touring circuit at the time, & virtually overnight by 1987-88, you couldn’t FIND a church not on its way to “megachurch” status anywhere inside cities. [Ironically, I actually believe I coined that phrase, myself. “Church” had been a fairly small world until that point.] The fearmongering over “the endtimes” drove numbers of the newly-converted through the roof! All the way up until-Y2K didn’t happen in 2000. I thought they’d go back to sanity then, but no. “Church” just got worse. Issuing directives on who to vote for from the pulpit. Touting political candidates as if they were ministers themselves by running for office. Even taking pages from Pat Robertson’s book & twisting the elbows of the flock to back their own campaigns. All other chicanery & snake-oil sales followed suit in rapid succession after that. I left church & joined a dojo instead by 1993 myself, though I continued to visit many churches-with the same bad taste in my mouth after being shamelessly shaken-down for offering after offering & watching limos, Benzes, HumVees pull out of the parking lot. Throw in the music & I might as well have been leaving nightclubs & party spots for all the “spiritual teaching” anybody got out of that. Needless to say, having remained too close for comfort to a number of local churches, I now recognize most as cults because that is factually how many function. Hostages making grand displays of soup lines or food giveaways, with nothing but ministerial McMansions to show for all the plate-passing they’ve been doing for just about 40 years now. NO community surrounding any of them has improved in any way at their impetus. Not one. If anything, in disadvantaged neighborhoods they are a parasite, draining cash away to fund lavish living done by the clergy-not even the members. The same conditions on the ground Christ is said to have detested among temple clergy of that era 2,024 years ago. “WWJD” has been forgotten now, but I still wonder. Especially seeing his own community environs being eviscerated by war, the people he himself would have known as neighbors & countrymen still living under hostile occupation & militarized zoning, based on race, as then, by a different empire-concept but even more cruelly today. So much for religion. There’s only one remaining in practice, by all evidence: Systemic Injustice, on-tap, at all times, globally. ⚖️🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯⚖️
@@ahnraemenkhera7451A l lot of truth was packed into your observation. Be cause we are wired to desire "God", in order to actualize our true nature it draws us near to those who persuade us that they have figured it out and should consult them in order to gain our own salvation. Yet an inner truth whispers to me that the God of the Bible as it has been taught in so many denominations is unrecognizable, contradictory, and HAS been reduced to "Biting his nails" 😪
We all should be forwarding this fine interview with Tim Alberta to everyone we know, and it should be viewed in schools. I just forwarded it, and will to many others.
Many so-called christians are not followers of Jesus. I am agnostic. I follow the real Jesus about loving one another, feeding the hungry, welcoming the stranger, etc.
sugardulce. They who? I am a Trump voter and I don't think hes God. Hes just a man who makes mistakes like a of us but one thing about this. God forgives all of us when we fail. I have only one God that I serve and its the one who died on the cross for my sins. We love Trump but we dont worship jim and I'm really tired of that lie being pushed out to the public. There are so many lies about Trump and his supporters
God forgives us when we acknowledge and repent and seek forgiveness. Trump not only has failed to do that but boldly declares he has never sinned. His own words and life condemn him
OMG, you have hit home with Jerry Falwell and Liberty. I lived all my 68 years until the last 4 in Central Virginia. My first girlfriend's father was completely brainwashed in 1974 by all this. My family was Episcopalian. In tgat year, while I was still in high school, I went to Liberty Baptist church with my gf and her dad. They had a guest speaker that day. In his sermon, he listed all the Christian denominations who were going to hell, including my own. I was in shock, we had the same Bible in the pews. We took communion, etc. I was just a teenager, but it totally changed my political and religious views. For years, I never voted for a candidate, I voted against whomever Falwell told his people to vote for. Liberty University in later years was tyrannical. When I left 4 years ago, one of their employees told me they had so much money, it was hard to spend it. They were buying properties all over Lynchburg and Campbell County. Building horse stables, houses, camps, etc. They bought an entire mountain. Because of my life in that area with such religious hypocrisy, I no longer consider myself to be a religious person. I suppose I am agnostic. If a teenager can understand the hypocrisy , why not adults. How can they be so fooled?
I’d wager that GOD protects children but once you choose evil you are on your own. And GOD is a CHOICE God. Throughout the Bible, GOD says CHOOSE. I grew up in an African American Baptist church and a Lutheran church. I ultimately left the Lutheran Church because as an adult I realized they didn’t COMPREHEND their own teaching of the Holy Spirit😏. I later realized that most church folk don’t STUDY the Bible with HELP of THE HOLY SPIRIT in them either. I was fortunate that I listened and learned to study the Bible for myself with the help of the Holy Spirit. I found the Trinity truly important in understanding GOD’s Power. GOD, the Father LOVES us unconditionally, Jesus, GOD in human form SAVED is from ourselves and THE HOLY SPIRIT, the presence of GOD placed in us to help us be Who GOD wants us to be. And GOD desires us to be Lovers of Mankind AND Helpers to ALL. I don’t believe You are an agnostic but a child of the MOST High GOD❣️. Religion is man made but GOD is EVERYWHERE, ALL POWERFUL and ALL Knowing. And because of your casual beginning relationship YOU have continued to stand up for his values. MAY GOD continue to KEEP You and BLESS You as You continue to walk in HIS WAY
If that's how you feel you were never a true Christian. Christianity is about your love for Jesus and secondarily, also for fellow man. It's not about politics. Did you read a Bible while at that University? Or ANYtime in your life? Do it.
This brought a tear to my eye. I have felt so alone for so long. I have ceased going to church. Have not been to church for several years now, and cannot bring myself to go back. The people we have been talking about. Here are not the minority they are the majority and I just can’t deal with it anymore.
@@dalewillis1360 lonely does not even begin to describe it. I see our nation, the church, and the Republican party morphing into something unrecognizable. I am literally terrified of the election November 6. It is entirely possible that day may be the last day the United States resembles a democracy.
We in Canada will be praying for you, for us and for the world! It is a dark time but God's light will shine through again. Just hang on and stay close to God. He will see you/us through❤️
Hearing that he was confronted by people at his fathers wake reminds me yet again of the absolute hypocrisy of so many religious people who call and consider themselves to be "the good ones". Truly sinners of the worst kind.
Just remember you said by most Christians. Honestly there are some of us Christians who don't like what is happening in our world any more than you do. We are not all the same.
Thank you gentlemen for this discussion. I thought I was going crazy with this evangelical blind support of Trump and those around him. God bless you for your authenticity!❤❤❤❤❤❤
This happened to me too. At my grandmother's funeral her crazy right wing Pastor started espousing upon social issues, and how to solve everything politically. I was so burned up he would take such an occasion to push his personal issues. This was awhile back, but it still burns me up today.
@butchnoneed4883 I wish I had, I still kick myself. Instead, I thanked him for for looking after my grandmother. And, I should have added draining her ban,k account.
Tim Alberta you speak for all of us evangelists that are spitting in the wind when it comes to having no allegiance to Trump, but holding on to our faith. Thank you for holding on to the Gospel of Christ.
Do you believe in the separation of church and state? Because there is no place for religion in American government. Our Constitution was WRITTEN for the exact situation that we find ourselves in today. The Christian right (trump Maga Christians) believes in the adage Do as I say, not as I DO. All they want is power! Most of the politicians can’t even quote a passage from the Bible!
I lost several friends over Trump, and I came to the conclusion, that, the spirit of delusion, has been sent, already. One friend, disowned me, after 20 years of close friendship. Thank you for the further, enlightenment!
To simplify it even further… consider what the ‘lawlessness’ is in the sense of the man of lawlessness… Satan was called a ‘murderer’ for lying/deceiving man, not for actually ‘killing’ their flesh… hence the spiritual nature of the death… Satan literal means ‘accuser’, ‘slanderer’, ‘opposer’…. Consider for a moment how trump came into power. He used the power of ‘slander’, ‘accusing’ all who would stand in ‘opposition’ to him… he didn’t rely on any virtue or decent skill with which to judge properly how to lead or convince his audience, merely manipulating them by telling them what they wanted to hear (flattery), bribing them and lying to them (‘I alone can fix’, ‘I am the chosen one’, etc.). Dan 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, *_a master of intrigue_* will arise. 24 He will become very strong, *_but not by his own power_* . He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. 25 *_He will cause deceit to prosper and he will consider himself superior_* ...” -niv (25 “Through his craft and by his hand, he will cause deceit to prosper, and *_in his own mind he will make himself great_* …” -BSB)
my friendship with someone ended when I said if you support what trump and his supporters did on january 6th unfriend me on facebook and one friend unfriended me and blocked me. I was so angry and disgusted with trump and his supporters did in washington dc on that day
@@GMC-qo9xi.. Eternal God is in control according to Dan 4:17, 35. In 2016, God put him (45) in and exposed the evangelical demons who support him. In 2020 God removed him and he refused to accept Gods Sovereign rejection of him, thats why he and his demons stormed the Capitol in rebellion and insurrection. Now in 2024, we will see what Eternal God God has in-store for him and this wicked, racist country. Judgement will be harsh, certain, and not pretty !!!
A surprising source, none other than arch conservative Barry Goldwater, warned the GOP about the disaster that would befall the Republican party if evangelicals gained a foothold in Republican politics. Say what you will about Goldwater, but he was correct. Disaster.
Are you attempting to deny that Goldwater, as the most conservative Republican of his era, who Reagan idolized - you trying to deny he openly hated Christians? Goldwater hated Evangelicals and it's well known. They threatened him with wrecking him, and in the end he won out, had a long career, and his statements castigating Christianity still stand as vindicated to this day. Just as of some of the core founders of America show a bitter hatred and rejection of Christianity in _their_ writings.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 I wouldn’t say he “hated” evangelicals. But, he saw a danger of mixing religion and politics. He thought Republicans aligning with Jerry Falwell, was a “bad idea.” He was concerned with U.S. interests, and that the evangelical’s interest, and U.S. interests, might not match.
Yes, there are a bunch of us. We still can't figure out what the heck is wrong with these people. And the bad thing is that a lot of them are family and friends, who have now "disowned" us. It's painful on many levels.
Actually, most Europeans are moving in a populist direction. Same thing with Canada. They are tired of global elites running their countries who have contempt of the middle class. That's what left-wingers do not understand.
What Evangelicals don’t realize is their judgements & hypocrisy that is turning people away from Jesus will condemn their souls in so many ways. They will be Judged for it.
Noone escapes the just Judgement of the Highest and his firstborn from the dead, the Christ Jesus. All of God's makings are part of the eternal Judgement through their spiritual nature which pushes them to judgemental activities and only a few find their way out of judgement, trouble, distress and desperation. Revelation 22.10 - 12
Thank you for the truth and boldness on your part, Tim. May God bless you and your family going forward. I know what it's like to be alienated from family and the flock.
This is an extremely important topic. Imagine how many people have turned away from the church because of the Evangelical support of Trump. Completely discouraging.
@@DeborahLeighMoore I just don't understand how the church isn't calling these evangelicals out on their false hood. They need to be EXPOSED for all to see.
Ive always been agnostic, both about religion and anything else. But these ppl are really pushing me hard towards just being an outright atheist, coz I cannot see, how any God as described by the Christian texts could possible exist and allow these ppl to represent him.
I'm a black man and I really appreciate it. You're teaching southern baptis and other Christian groups or religions? I think you really spoke truthfully.
Wow! Amen, yes, thank you, Sirs. You both are right on point. It's so good to hear this truth from others, too. After the 2016 election, Lord had given me insight into much of what you're sharing. When people asked, "What in the world is going on and what's happening here in America," I've tried to share much of that exact information. My friends, some family, and some church members would look at me as if I were talking non-sense. Some argue back with scripture (out of context), they were taught to say, and they then would ask me for my sources and context. I responded with the scripture, in context, and recommended prayer, decernment, and a willingness to listen to God over man. Now, this video is strong confirmation, and I will share it as the Lord leads. Whether others will listen is up to them🤷🏾♀️
Bingo. And then there is this quote from Barry Goldwater, “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
@@Lonewolfmike Good quote from Goldwater. And don't forget that Goldwater also told Nixon to resign or we will vote to impeach you over Watergate. Too bad such republicans no longer exist today ... they have morphed into a mafia level criminal organization pretending to be politicians.
I wish I could broadcast this interview on every TV channel, every social media platform, and plaster the cover of Tim’s book on every billboard in the world! I have been trying to verbalize these things for years, and now it’s all been organized into one presentation, Biblical support included. Thank you so much! Keep up the great work!
Oh thank you for speaking up on this, I am a Christian and it scared me to see how the idolatry towards Trump is so strung and so many Christians are blinded to what he really stands for. Thank you so much, may our lord bless you and continue giving you wisdom.
I just found out about project 2025.most of my Frieds are trump idolizers. they won't read about project 2025. as a Christian I'm praying God would wake America up before it's too late
I feel less alone listening to Tim and reading the comments! Tim's voice is so needed. My husband and I found it too hard to go back to our church but recently found a very progressive church that we are hopeful we will find a home in. I had never thought about how today's church has failed a similar test that Jesus went through, when Jesus was being tempted by Satan saying he'd give Jesus the world if he would worship him. So many in the church have chosen hate, harshness, lack of compassion, money and power over all that Jesus taught. Good to hear that there are youth who are reading the "words in red" in the Bible and are responding.
SO many are just never going back - Good to hear you found a new home. Jesus never preached of prosperity. He overturned the tables in the temple. All he spoke of was loving others. Then one day, you are sitting in church, and out of nowhere you feel like you're being personally attacked by the aggression and darkness coming from the pulpit.
@@WaiveWill for me it was when the pastor started using the code words like "cancel culture." You can tell who they are listening to. Yes, the real tragedy in this is many people are being led AWAY from God and want nothing to do with God or any church, because of these hypocrites and their false notions of what Jesus taught. My husband and I were away from church for months, and just focused on volunteering and Matthew 25, living our faith. But we need community.
This was an amazing interview. Those people are hypocrites. They don't know what the true meaning of being a Christian is. No wonder people become nonbelievers. Tim is a fantastic writer! Love his books!
Does anyone know what the true meaning of being a Christian? (Jesus certainly did not since it was a term not coined until years after his death, by a Roman called Pliny). If you think you do, you may need to think again. Religions are not about teaching us once-and-for-all answers, but teaching is to keep asking the right questions. The answers are not always the same!
@@Zgreasewood "He that is wounded in the stones or hath his privy member cut off shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." Fishing quotations at random out of ancient writings does not contribute much. As to your quotation, a commandment given on Maundy (from 'mandare')Thursday, well that worked didn't it!!! Especially in sect-riven America....
That’s why your relationship and belief is not dependent oni what other people do . They are just humans with human flaws we all have those . If a man falls that is not going to change my mind and heart on My personal relationship with God. But that’s just me.
I respect Mr. Alberta's nuanced and honest thinking. Takes something special to reflect on a system you've grown up in and to criticize it in such a lucid and even-handed way.
What these evangelicals are embracing and calling Christianity is totally anti Christian!! Jesus stood before His accusers and said not a word. Jesus' teachings go completely against the hatred, racism, anti immigrant, and bigotry of these people. Thank you both for speaking the truth!
People are being brainwashed by the media and everything else. There are demonic forces pushing for a one world government, in the name of Jesus. A false and forced religion. It's biblical. It's in Revelation 13. God gives us freedom to choose. Revelation 17 describes the Beast or false church. We will go through the final events. Revelation is meant to be understood. I'm so tired of hearing that if you're not a scholar, then you won't understand. Both political sides play on the same team. Trump said he's giving the power back to the church. That's as frightening as the blue pill. Jesus is the Only way and yes we will be going through persecution.
This was a very important dialogue, one I take personally. My brother's wife went down to Virginia for Christian "counseling" in the mid-1980's in Falwell-land and came back with an agenda. Over time she managed to separate my brother from my mother and me, lied, etc. and her raised her kids the same way. Ultimately, my mother and I moved out of state because we were "cut out" of the family and they showed very little respect to my late mother. They took the money and ran when she died. At this point, I consider them as strangers and have drawn the line on the "gaslighting" we endured for 30+ years.
So very sorry your family was torn apart like that. May GOD fill You with HIS PEACE and Return ALL You have Lost hundred fold. I PRAY this for ALL FAMILIES that CHURCH LIES have striped them of their FAMILY unity.
The "Bible Belt" is real. Quite easy to get sucked in! After moving to southwest GA, growing up in IL, asked by a Welcome Wagon lady if I was "churched". Said I was Catholic. That ended it!😂
Such an important message. This was an excellent conversation. So sorry Tim Alberta, the situation at your father's funeral happened. Some people have lost their minds. They are not using their God given critical thinking skills. Please keep speaking up and out. Your dad must be proud of you. God bless you and yours.
Here's the irony... In the late 1970s and into the 1980s, the GOP fully adopted the then fringe ideology of anti-New Deal (FDR introduced the New Deal to save capitalism, which under the Robber Barons was crushing Americans. There was serious interest by Americans in jettisoning capitalism for communism. FDR created a managed capitalism that worked for the average American (problems, of course, but restrained the ultra wealthy and corporations), which re-instilled a belief in capitalism amongst the people. The anti-New Deal GOP in the 1980s believed only a few (the ultra wealthy) should govern and laws and the tax code should funnel money to them. Their platform was: 1. No business regulations (more profit) 2. No taxes on the wealthy and corporations (more profit). They knew they couldn't sell this to average American, and they they couldn't win votes. So they promoted culture wars to distract voters aways from their extractive economic policies, and to focus voters on "them causing all the problems" (jews, women, African Americans, gays. .... anyone not like "us".) Now the GOP is reaping what it sowed. It sowed hate and conflict for the sole reason that they wanted to make more profits. Now those hate groups, sired by the Republicans, run the GOP. All for the sake of money.
Did you also know that FDR and Stalin were pen pals? In fact they liked each other so much that they agreed to swap bureaucrats so they could learn each other's system...of course Stalin had no intention of learning anything from America's system...but FDR learned a lot from Stalin.
I agree with 👍 this guy. I was brainwashed for years. As a child, I was sexually abused and as a teenager as well. No one wanted to talk about this abuse, we were never talked too about these topics. It was expressed as satanic, and we don't talk about sex. We weren't even a hugging family or told that we were loved.😢 I'm 75 now and have been so guilt ridden and depressed through the years. I do not want anything to do with religion now. My three sisters are in the evangelical church and their churches tell their congregation they have to vote for Republicans because the democrats are from the devil and they are out to kill all republicans. because democrats want to kill all babies.😢 It breaks my heart because it's actually the Republicans who are told to kill the democrats from their pulpits. Where is Christ in these churches? 😮😢
Wishing you healing and peace from such violence & trauma. The physical & emotional abuse that has been covered up, dismissed, and denied is horrific in the name of faith is disgusting.😢
I understand how you feel about the lack of support after being sexually abused. I was inappropriately touched, told who I thought were friends but they never wanted to hear about it again or offer any comfort. They don't seem to know how to be empathetic. I believe it makes them feel too negative and want to preserve their feelings in a state of comfort. They also have no training as counselors so don't know how to communicate appropriately.
Sir God's truth is the only truth repent and turn back to him he loves you he made you in his image he sent his only son Jesus Christ to die that horrible death for you for all of us.Please don't listen to these two reprobate minds go to the bible.
It’s all in His plan. I fell like the martyrs in Rev. 6 “How long, Lord! How long”. Their feeble, cruel, lying kingdom will fall. There is a Name above all names and it isn’t Trump or MAGA.
Love the title… “how trump GOT evangelicals to…. “ Granted, he has done a lot of horrible things. But don’t let these people fool you - they know exactly what they’re doing and have for many decades. Anything but “righteous” or “pious”. They want what THEY want, with no regard for anyone but themselves and their agenda. So much for love thy neighbor. 🤷♀️
Many of these evangelicals indeed know what they’re doing. They made a deal with the devil, for power… and then expect Jesus to rescue them from the “cost” of that deal. (They take the “he died for our sins” as a guarantee that they’ll be ok.) But they ignore that “the devil” is guaranteed “his pound of flesh”. The sins Jesus died for are not “deals with the devil.” That “contract” isn’t covered by Jesus.
I was once a Lutheran Republican. I have also worked with young female athletes from all over America and Canada (ages 14 thru 24). What Trump and the religions right coupled with the youth of today have shown me is that people don't need to believe in a higher power to do what is right or to serve others. It's actually easier to forgiving and giving when you don't live in fear of condemnation. Since leaving the church and the Republican party it's been so much easier to be a conservative and help others. This interview was great. It reminded me of a time of less harsh judgement from the church. I will need to read the book. I'm sure it will give me some great insights to these people's belief system so I can better serve them.
Exceptional discussion. I cannot fathom how Mr. Alberta must have felt at being verbally attacked by people he’d known for years and years while his father was being waked and buried. This is a cultural cancer that has been let loose. I pray we have the strength to fight back and win, to save both the church and the country.
My 76 year old dad was a hard evangelical his entire adulthood. He started off brainwashed as a young child then experienced a series of tragedies right after college. He was so beaten down, he was doing his best to hang on and take care of his family. He has a huge heart. A really good guy. He did vote for Trump the first time, because he didn't believe what came out of his mouth - he believed his church. He is now heavy into researching the history of religeon, how these religeons are connected etc. He is waking up, it takes time to deconstruct and rewire. It is beautiful.
So glad he's waking up...Actually that's what's lead so many down the wrong path...they believed in everything EXCEPT GOD. As Christians, we should NOT be putting our faith or hope in anyone or anything BUT GOD.
Great interview I don’t know about any of the other presidents, but Jimmy Carter and his wife were very religious and lived a good Christian life. Yes, he made mistakes as most presidents do that after he left office, he and his wife started doing volunteer work did volunteer work and continue to do so until they could no longer do it rest in peace, Mrs. Carter
Thank you Tim I did not know what to say when my sister came back at me. You mirrored my bafflement. She has always held herself as a true Christian. I simply asked what she thought about her Senator JD Vance saying "The immigrants in Springfield were eating their neighbors' pets (Later he admitted he lied). She came back at me saying she did not care about that she was upset that a person said they were upset with the hit to housing in the city and attached a very angry symbol. The truth about that did not matter to her. That she would vilify other people (God's children) that way, left me speechless..
It all started with Billy Graham, the mass evangelism. The whole idea was never really questioned, look where it is now, cultism at the highest level, being controlled by power and money greedy hypocrites.
I remember this kind of rhetoric coming out of my fellow Americans in the ‘80s. It was coming from the TV preachers. It was written in Christian books. It’s not new. This has been coming for some time. I left the church because they became a church of domination rather than of love.
I'm in my 62nd year here on earth and the worst acts committed against me have been from friends and family who claim to be "CHRISTIANS." The day man drops religion, is the day man has a CHANCE...to save himself. Watch the cartoon; "The Grinch." Watch the cartoon; "The Lorax." When someone does something nice, helpful, pleasant...thank the person. For goodness sake. For harmony, for community, for health. STOP the archaic non-sense. Ive NEVER filed for bankruptcy, never sued anyone, never attacked anyone. I own my home, have two sons that have been model citizens; ones a professional athlete the other excels in business and active adventure living. CHOOSE TO MAKE NO ROOM FOR NON-SENSE. You'll be so glad you did. THINK FOR YOURSELVES !!!
My observation is that people have realized it’s a grift. For people that have the ability & dexterity to lie to others. So they rise to power in the “church realm”. It’s a far rewarding grift than 10 years of sweat & toil of medical school.. CONSTANTLY studying and working in IT (where I am) and in an ever changing environment of technology all a pastor has to do is read the Bible. No code to write, study etc just a very old book 📕 that NOTHING has changed in. Same with the Koran. These two religions will be found to be the greatest CON of humankind. And as I say this I believe in God .. I believe that there’s something in man that constantly wants to make him closer to a supreme being. So I go to church once in a while on a Sunday but I will NOT be drawn into the other time consuming activities (Bible study etc etc).
@@sophieobiero-ro7uj Aren't you describing humility. Why can't we just say Sophie is humble and gracious. I dunno. I don't, can't won't acknowledge a God, can't do it. It's non-sense to me. I think of it this way: If you believe in God a God, if you get hurt injured or sick, you get to pray for healing. The rest of us...Get the use of modern medicine.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I believe most of what I was taught all of my life . I am not active in Church . At 73 , I have a few questions .And answers may come in time . I love God . I love Jesus . I am not struggling every day to follow Jesus every day . I try to be a good person . I know I fall way short every day , of goals I set . However , I know what I want nothing to do with . And trumpy , his enablers , followers , in short his cult , are people I do not wish to attempt to understand any more . The greed and hunger for power , is more than I want to cope with . It translates to HATE , AND ENDS IN VIOLENCE AND PAIN . AND TOO MANY OF TRUMPYS FOLLOWERS , JUST DON'T WANT TO LEARN . AND TRUMPY TEACHES THEM TO CARE ONLY ABOUT HIM .I prefer politicians who , whether those politicians realize or not , are actually trying to care about , people and themselves , and they are doing as Jesus taught every day he was on this planet . I will always vote for that politician who is doing what I understood , was what jesus taught .
Ol Coot here Yes. for most of this life I have love America and the American people. Voluntered during Vietnam and off and on served our government for 18 years. Most all of us have this awareness that some percentage of any nation, community, social group would contain some elements that we can label as darker than the rest and Iam not talking skin color! This Nov election has been a shocker for so many of us! This really hammered at my perceptions of love towards my fellow Americans. To see this betral in the vote totals!! This.....betrayal, for power? weath? , revenge against others? change??? All that could possibly attract anyone to vote for Trump could be found under that which Jesus condemned in his ministry. America as the Boomer generation had experienced, is gone and, don't believe it can be recovered.
As a Chaplain, I first want to say that I am sorry for your loss . The second issue is that I have been blessed to hear your message that I have been waiting to hear since Trump’s initial announcement of his running for Office of the President of the United States, thank you!
I have been watching and posting videos with Bill Kristol, Charlie Sykes, and other Conservative Republicans in hopes of reaching some of my trump supporting friends and family. THIS is the video that touches all the points. I hope it works. Thank you Charlie and Tim Alberta for a great interview. God help us reach our friends and family.
Tim is a national treasure, and exactly what makes Christianity so bright, a religion of two millennia and counting, based on good will and a call to our best. God may not bite his nails, but he surely must weep a lot.
Religiosity, with all it is said to entail, is not part of Trump's character. His character is instead exactly as described by this text by Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, answering the question *"Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"* - sentiments shared by *people around the world* in general: “A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace; all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief. Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing. Not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility. For us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is. His idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults, he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff, the Queensberry rules of basic decency, and he breaks them all. He punches downwards, which a gentleman should, would, could never do, and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless, and he kicks them when they are down. So the fact that a significant minority, perhaps a third, of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: - Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are. - You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man. This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws, he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumps of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God, what have I created?’ If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”
I usually gloss over such long comments but I actually took screenshots so I have it to look at occasionally it was such a good synopsis. Thank you, Brilliant! 🎉
Most TH-camrs would not take the time to read this quote, which is a great pity because it sums up exactly what Trump is - an empty vessel devoid of any trace of goodness. I cannot imagine how even Trump cultists could actually dispute anything that Nate White has written here. It should be compulsory reading for all Americans.
As Christian for most of my life and a past evangelical I find this SO true. It breaks my heart how many people I know and love are being deceived in this way. I am praying that God will open their eyes as to how the devil is making them believe such garbage.
STANDING in PRAYER with You🥰. Remember, ““For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”” - Matthew 18:20
@@dianakidd4219 SO many reasons. What he says and does in plain sight is all I need for evidence. Trials will give even more concrete evidence. You have to be blind and deaf not to see it or emotionally caught up in the cult. It is absolutely a cult.
Separation of Church and State is one of the most important principles of democracy and should be absolutely enforced in the USA. And that includes zero tax exemptions for churches or religious organizations. They use government goods and services and should pay taxes just like everyone else.
@@coreyham3753 Some people might argue about some churches deserving of non-profit status IF they provide a benefit to society but NOT when they violate the trust the government reposed in them by bestowing their tax exempt status under IRS Sec. 501(c)(3) which strictly PROHIBITS political speech from the pulpit and especially urging parishioners and followers to vote a certain way or for a specific candidate. It's ludicrous that politically involved churches still have tax exempt status, they should be prosecuted!
My uncle was a rural baptist minister in his 80s and “won” a prize to mar largo all expenses paid twice. 2015 and 2016. Second time he was allowed to bring my aunt. They were treated like kings and fed Qanon theory to go home and preach. They came home and bought weapons for the first time and started teaching prepping skills to his congregation. Overtime my Uncle came to understand he had been tricked when none of the Qanon deadlines came true. Saw the rhetoric of DJT and had the experience of growing up through WW2. He died in 2022 full of regret for ever trusting them. He tried to warn his congregation but they are lost in the rage now.
I am so glad I came from a secular family and was raised as an atheist. I learned early that you treat your fellow human beings decently because we all go through life just once and the worst thing you is diminish another's quality of life on this short sojourn--no rewards in some mythical afterlife, but reward in the here and now by living with consideration and respect for others and receiving the same from them.
Yes i agree can not understand how weak and without self esteem that people have to be to rely on some unseen mysical entity for support and then turn it toward hate for others whom may not hold their views.
Most of my family were believers. I tried. It just made no sense to me. Too much evil. Too many contradictions. I have never been back once I realized that the majority of the people were just putting on an act and didn't live the life they put on. I was 11. I prefer reality, science, and people being good to one another because that's the right thing to do and not because they fear some imaginary sky daddy and read a bunch of control freaks disjointed thoughts. In my opinion, all religion was invented for is to control others (mostly women and children) and make money. If their "god" is going to strike me down for being a good person and being able to see through a literal CON MAN and refusing to vote for him, I'm as good as gone!!! LoL!
@@normanbrown3466 But you calling them weak and without self esteem because they don't hold your views isn't you not only turning it toward hate, but also into your own brand's usual pride and ego induced manner of self-praise and elevation? Yes, it certainly is, but perhaps you cannot understand that either.
These same folks, if they were born in a different country would fly planes into buildings, instead they died in 2 countries in the longest wars in the history of this nation (with Saudi Arabia, where the hijackers were from, not touched, Pakistan where Bin Laden lived, not touched...and no WMD were found or Afghanistan "liberated") Religion...bah, humbug.
@@onedaya_martian1238 I don't know about that anymore. One of them murdered their dad declaring a holy war while reciting verbatim rightwing talking points.
Same here. My evangelical parents unintentionally inflicted years of "intellectual abuse" on me by raising me in the church and even though they love me and had the best of intentions, it permanently ruined my relationship with them. They aren't MAGA zombies, but they believe everything Fox News tells them, and their pastor feeds them the same thing every Sunday. I despise these self-proclaimed "Christians" intensely, yet even though I disagree with Tim Alberta's beliefs, I highly respect him for actually following Jesus' teachings. We need more Christians like that.
Evangelicalism as defined by religious beliefs and ethics is very rare today. Now it is political cultism for the most vocal part. Hopefully the reaction (like this excellent video) will increase. There must be many of those who take God more seriously than Trump!
Because for many of these people it’s never been about Jesus, the gospel, and the beatitudes. It’s been about white supremacy, American exceptionalism, and having a god in our own image not the other way around. And that image is a god who hates who we hate.
Listen to the oaths and words of the folks who wear sheets and pointed hats, it is all christian rhetoric...especially when they light up their crosses. But that is kept quiet by those who hear it, because they like it.
Whew such a harsh reality to find that so many who one had loved and respected for years was now caught up in this un-American shame of supporting the rich guy.."Yes! this is what America needs". Their ways are not the Lord's ways, in fact all this hatred and anger they generate to promote this cause is contrary to Jesus's teachings.... Wake up America!
Thanks so much for this fantastic interview! I am churchgoing, but it's become so much more difficult since Trump! I have heard so much hate and self righteousness in Bible studies, before and after church and sadly even in the pulpit that I feel wary now.
The hate has always been there. It is the log in all the beLIEvers eyes that has been removed and now they see. And that is without the faith healers grifting and maybe using spit and dirt to "cure" the blindness.
It’s Biblical End Times = over 30000 lies = The Father of Lies leader of the Self Righteous Christian Party of Evil 👿 Hypocrisy as was foretold by the Prophet Daniel and Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior 😮😊❤
there’s more good in the bible than bad, look for the truth and self righteous people are not it, chances are they’re judging everyone else, but not turning the eyes inward
@@tomcheslock2685i feel like i have a barometer for evil and when i saw project 2025, the hair on my arms stood up and i felt scared, afraid, trapped… but then i got through to the anger at him the orange antichrist. i ve hated that they compare him to Jesus, who is nothing like tRumpkin in any way
Unbelievable someone would leave you a note like that after your dad's funeral. The last I was at my family church (in 2015) that I grew up in (I'm 65) and was speaking about tolerance, a Sunday School teacher, who was saying women should submit to men in all things as told in the Bible, told me no one wanted to hear anything I had to say. That's why it was the last time.
I am so glad this long overdue conversation is taking place What Evangelicals did during Trump's time was a disgrace/exposed their true BARRENNESS ‼️ Tim being a pastor's son taking this to the fire is such a relief for some of us Christians here in Africa.
Old white guy here who grew up steeped in Christian Protestantism. Grew up mostly in Detroit and partly in the suburbs. I married into a family which gave me a lot of Iranian in-laws. Back then religious differences didn't matter. Now I have a son and it's hard to say whether he is white, brown, Muslim, Christian. Why should it matter. WHY SHOULD IT MATTER.
Fantastic talk! Sorry for what you had to endure during your father's wake and funeral, and continue to go through from your father's flock. Truly sad😢
As a 68 year old, I have to agree with what he says at the end. The younger Gen Z as a whole, are much more awake then the people of my age and my kids age. (40ish). So there is hope!
They're the same ones who kick their kids out of the house for being gay, dating outside their race, or having different political beliefs. "...Hate your next door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace. And tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction"
@@WaiveWillthose people do not know God, for he hates idolaters, he will sort them out, he sent Moses to wash out the mouths of the idolaters, with the gold that they loved more than God....
I hear ya man. Haven't been home in 10 years and want to get there for 1 day over the holidays b4 my mom is gone. I don't need that guilt. So I'm really trying to convince myself.@@Rob_Moilanen
I'm Catholic by nature it is really fascinating to hear you guys and completely understand so easy the complicity of the values of the message and lesson from the Messiah teach us and leave up to us to fallow his path to meet with him thanks for your inspiration ; will get the book ASAP to fulfill me 🫴🤝🤝
I’m so patriotic that I want and need my country to continue as a democracy, ruled by the people and under the Constitution.
How radical. Like the Founding Fathers. Please vote and help others get to the polls!
Democracy not Theocracy. Republicans, especially the “Christians” are cruel and inhumane. As they say, “There is no hate like Christian love.” Vote Blue. Save democracy.
That's how we avoid a bloodbath, I agree.
It's for us to make that happen.
How amusing that you imagine the US might “be ruled by the people”.
We, as black people, have been asking the same question for centuries. What's wrong with these people 😕
You take out Trump, so I hope you help Christian voters know who to vote for. Who is the presidential candidate who will be respected by world leaders at a time in history. Do you reveal that person in your book? It's not a religious battle. It is political. Are they intersecting NOW when it has't been much of an issue for a very long time. Who can fill the shoes of both sides of this coin?
Catholic Church & School, 9 siblings we were a very normal middle of the road. No evangelizing, wearing our religion on our sleeve. No one else's business!!!😊
One of my bfs is black and she loves Trump.
@CarmenPerez-kz6rw Good, maybe he'll let her clean his house
@@CarmenPerez-kz6rw what how and why? Get her to explain
Finally! Someone with a Christian perspective I can agree with. These days I often feel all alone as a Christian while being surrounded by "Christians".
AMEN & AHO (Cherokee for Amen)
I guess that you are taking the narrow road, not the broad easy path.
Who is the Christian with the ability to run our republic and power enough to deal with world leaders?
@@charlottebeseke5596 Religion and Government have no business intersecting. Separation of Church and State. Trump exposed the cruelty and hypocrisy of American organized religion.
Kathy, you're not alone. Look at the participation of all Christian churches in the last decade. It not because people don't believe in God. It's because people founds the churches practices are very hypocritic.
Jimmy Carter is a wonderful Christian Man who as a retired senior and former President of the United States ushered a Peace accord between the Egyptians and Israel, climbed up on roofs in Habitat for Humanity, and admitted he was flawed & human. He has been 'blessed and highly favored' by God. Watched 8/22/2024.
Truth
His humanitarian good works cannot hide his Godless worship he promoted. He did much harm to our country!
As an atheist, I appreciate Tim’s words. He brings up solid points. I’m all for religious freedom.
I’m not for any religion taking over government.
Theodespotism destroys everything - including the state religion.
As Israel goes, so go the other
fools. Kneel and pray with others… instant valudation
As a Christian I support separation of Church and State and your right to live in a country where the only reason you would go to church would be by choice and never as a condition of living here.
Ditto
Hear, hear!
Imagine being told that you can´t enter the country unless you not only profess to believe your life to be magically ruled by an invisible supernatural being, but only by a *particular* invisible supernatural being. But if Trump understands nothing else (such as how to correctly pronounce "2 Corinthians"), he recognizes how easy it is to cynically manipulate the evangelical Christian vote.
I saw this in another post. It describes Trump perfectly.
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22
Amazing comparison!!
. Isn,t this truly how satan would fool people , who should know better,if they truly were following God,s path . Now , billboards thru-out the country . This is a message that should be shouted from the rooftops , hopefully opening the minds of those still reachable . I do believe 'some ' previous so called Christians followers are falling away from him . Thank God . We,ve all need to keep on praying to open more hearts and minds . Seems human logic doesn,t seem to cut it anymore .
That could have been written anytime over the last seven years! Trump is an Abominable No-man, an empty vessel. Nothing gets through to him unless it threatens him directly.
You're an analytical thinker. I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you being who you are. Praises to you n your praises to Trump! Thank you; I appreciate your speaking the truth.
@rc6790 is this a bot?
Charlie, As a 77 year old black woman who is a Methodist, thank you and Tim Alberta for an exquisite hour of truth. Tim answered a lot of questions I had. His response to your queries and his statements have me ordering his book tonight. Intelligent and stimulating conversation , thank you.
You are so gullible.
Took you two weeks to tell me something ignorant . I am not going to argue because it’s not worth my time.
@@DeniseAlexander-zd4sb No. You are not going to argue because you can't.
Well said response to the video. I apologize for the rude response to your comment.
@@nkwari "Rude Response" = any comment that you disagree with politically.
As a Christian since childhood who no longer feels welcome in the politicized churches, I wish every Christian in America would watch this.
I left my church as I know almost everyone is supporting an antichrist in trump.
Forward the link to everyone you know with a personal recommendation to listen to all of this fine interview carefully.
My brother or sister, a Christian is a follower of what Almighty God in JesusChrist do, not what men do....
Satan got men going to a building called church, God in JesusChrist created man to be the church;
God in JesusChrist is from heaven, and came to save, deliver, set his people free from the things of this world, the traps of Satan:
Like the false church, building worships, and all other things of man; sports, entertainment industry, music industry, hospitals......
But so many people look to this world for help, and have a lack of trust in God, Almighty and Alpowerful God in JesusChrist, our Creator, like he can't fix what He created .
Agree 💯 with this brother. I tell it like it is. I have too. These right wing evangelicals are going to be in a big shock when they see all the chaos that's about to happen. Just one thing remember who puts and takes away Kings.
You're not alone! God bless ya!!!
I quote: "Trump at his core is a predator and preys on easy targets. Evangelicals, and many religious people in general, were taught to rely on faith which in many cases came at the expense of critical thinking."
Absolutely. 🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽
Spot on. Theres a huge overlap between very religious ppl and conspiracy theorists.
You mking a very good point, they forgot how to think logically.
Beware of teachers who come disguised as harmless sheep ,but are wolves and will tear you apart.Matthew 7-15.This verse is so Trumpian in so that he convinces his lost sheep to follow and do anything he says.
...and the expense of deeds of love and mercy.
Omg as a liberal Christian I’m so grateful for people like these 2 speaking out
Me too; it gives me hope that all sanity is not abandoned.
What exactly is a liberal Christian?
@@loyalbusse4864 Atheists in secular Democracies live like Jesus wanted more than do American Christians.
@@loyalbusse4864 Who embodies ALL 7 deadly sins??? Trump does.
Who is the Christian with the ability to run our republic and power enough to deal with world leaders?
This is so good. Thank you from a Christian frustrated by how Jesus’ teachings have been twisted in US politics.
He will lead those who follow him to hell
Open your eyes people... read 2 Tes 2 vers 1 to 12
This is the great falling away. And its also revealing the lawless one... DJT
The complete evangelical church is deceived. They cannot see this guy as the Antichrist....
That include Tom Hudges, Jd farag, billy crone, don steward, amir tserfati. They all are blinded by false eskotology.....
My husband said something negative about Trump to his mom and she replied, “Don’t you dare talk like that in my house about the chosen man of God.” I haven’t spoken to her since and either have my kids. It’s been an escalating dumpster fire of cultism and that was the last straw.
My evangelical cousin promised that I would be sent to "the camps" along with everyone else. If that is the sentiment toward family, I shudder to imagine what they would do to strangers. I am heartbroken for this nation, for this people, for this species. Where is the love?
I have a sibling with similar sentiments...(and mind you this is a church going Bible reading/believing 'christian') They never threatened me personally, but they do want to round up their 'enemies' and throw them into camps... that was a few years ago when I assumed they meant mostly card carrying Democrats. But at this point I now assume it's anyone who doesn't love Trump like they do... which would include all Dems, most Independents and a lot of Republicans too... (I'm a card carrying Independent, so yes, I would be a target, along with a whole lot of other people I know) Yeah, me heartbroken too - and 'what the hell is wrong with these people' is my cry as well. Trumpism and what it's done to these people is truly sickening...
Lost with the religion( sad to say )
Thanks for the truth
The whole "camps" thing is so bizarre...
1. I know a wide variety of people... I know Dems/liberals/progressives/athietsts etc... and NEVER have I heard them want to throw Christians or GOPers or evangelicals into camps... but as you testify here, it seems to be a thing among these far right christians! They want to round up people and put them into camps! And sometimes they might say it kind of joking like, but I'm inclined to take them seriously
2. This is coming from the same people who yelled and screamed about "death camps" when Obamacare was being debated... and none of them seems to have a clue about their own self-irony
3. And this comes from a group of people who are super sensitive about being labeled racists and Nazis! - Yet this "we'll send you to the camps" keeps slipping out of their mouths... How stupidly un-self-aware does one have to become to do this?
It reminded me of "The Nazi theodicy demanded the existence of an Enemy..." (Poliakov, Harvest of Hate: The Nazi Program for the Destruction of Jews in Europe. Available in the Internet Archive.) : fascism, including Christofascism, being structured on fear of/ disgust at The Other, and worshipful belief in a powerful and protecting human Leader / Party, needs a target to both fear for its strength and despise for its weakness - and, inevitably, to hate.
When the Christian Nationalists fit themselves to the 14 aspects of fascism, they left no room for the God of Love, the one who saw the despised Samaritans as his neighbours. They need to hate the Other, and trust the Party, even if it means ignoring the evidence of their personal experiences. Like the Inquisition, they will torture the Other "to save their souls."
I hope the madness does not break America before the nation finds a cure. China and BRICS will cheer on the collapse.
I grew up in the church and I can tell you that they are are the most judgmental people I've ever known. That's why they like Trump. However, his supporters don't seem to realize that Trump could care less and his actions throughout his life reflect that. The worst part is that they interpret the bible to support their own biases and hatred.
The church is anti-love. They think that love is weak! Just listen to them!
Always been that way, using the Bible for their own twisted schemes!!!
Sad but true. They've fallen away...
@@meanonymous8793They never were there.
"I like God. He hates all the same people that I hate"
- American Evangelicals
I had to leave my megachurch when I realized they were worshiping Trump instead of Jesus. So I went back to the Catholic Church of my childhood thinking they would not have made the same mistake as Biden is a Catholic. I was shocked when the Catholic priests made right-wing talking points all throughout his sermon including saying don't be fooled by people who say they're a Catholic.... Obviously referencing Biden. I am still a devoted Christian, I pray everyday I read my Bible, I make an effort to be kind to people and helpful. But I feel like I know what it must have been like to be a true Christian in Germany when so-called Christians were hating on Jews. Unfortunately I feel outnumbered.
Religious people cling to a few non-negotiables, like anti-abortion, strong military, ……whether Catholic or not; Catholic preachers don’t get much into the Kingdom of God as preached by Jesus, from what I’ve heard
One of these churches in Texas, you might know which one, actually wrote a tune called "Make America Great Again." The American Conservative even saw the problem with this.
Peace and grace to you. I understand
You are not alone. Keep the faith even if you have to start you own home group to deliver the love of God and not the hatred of Satans mini me.
@@MrCsifan55 Christianity is on the decline in America. I put some of the blame on corporate worship that has turned worship into entertainment about feeling good. Clearly, the GOP right now too campaigns on this kind of faith in its leaders. They are entertainers void of any really philosophical depth, and the message is about feeling good by preaching to the choir while avoiding truth.
As someone who was part of one of these home-grown churches, it's not a bad idea to walk away instead of being fed false doctrine like the prosperity gospel.
I’ve never posted a response to any video before. As someone who attended Bible college, and has continued to study both the Old and New Testament for the past 50 years, this one of the best explanations of the current state of the American evangelical movement that I have heard. Thank you for your work. I hope that the Church will listen to this message.
Tim knows the Living Word. As a black evangelical Christian, I truly thank him for keeping it 💯
I didn't even notice that Tim was black.
You guys have a lot of work cut out for you battling the fascism in the Christian community. Good luck because I don't think you'll win this fight, they are beyond redemption.
@@redbarchetta8782 The problem is the politicians, IN BOTH PARTIES, have made it as “A battle between good and evil.” The Republicans have added Christianity into the mix.
@mcsq5899 that not what was said. Reading comprehension priblem. The poster offered that she was black, not Tim. I'm sure she was distinguishing ing herself from white evangelicals who by the way are not Christians.
That was a Republic. For the people by the people of the Republic.
I suggest Tim research Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island, who was a devout Christian who believed that Native Americans should be treated as neighbors and not pushed into the wilderness. Because he was too loving, he was set to be literally tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. He escaped, but he left us with the best quote ever from a founding father: "When you mix politics and religion, you get politics."
Whoa, love that quote, thx.
Wow! Thanks for sharing that. I am off to google this Roger Williams now.
So powerful and heartbreaking.
I think when you mix politics (government) and religion, you get tyranny.
In world history many wars have been fought not for political reasons but for religious reasons.
As a former member of a large Southern Baptist Church (white evangelical) Rush Limbaugh was listened to by the church leaders back in the 1980s.
In 1984 when Reagan was running for a second term as president the chairmen of the deacons said "I don't understand how any Christian could vote against Reagan." The Southern Baptists have been moving towards Christian Nationalism since the 1980s.
Rush was EVIL😮
@@mikedavis4851 Truth! Then Trump rewarded him with the Presidential Medal of Freedom. 😱
@scottwebster Precisely my own recollection of the timeframe. My family were members of West Hunter Street Baptist since the 1920s, all officers of the church when Rev. Ralph Abernathy became its pastor. Following Dr. King’s death, church, as I’d always understood it, remained the same-until the Age of Jim & TammyFaye Baker, as I call it. Subtle changes, initially, but by the time the 700 Club, Pat Robertson & TBN, TCN, Daystar, etc., launched, a full-blown cavalcade march to materialism, stardom of “ministers,” skirting of accountability, ostentatious excess, & secular entertainment was already streaming in to the former traditional church!! Add in the money being garnered by Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar (Copeland’s sidekick), TD Jakes & others on the touring circuit at the time, & virtually overnight by 1987-88, you couldn’t FIND a church not on its way to “megachurch” status anywhere inside cities. [Ironically, I actually believe I coined that phrase, myself. “Church” had been a fairly small world until that point.] The fearmongering over “the endtimes” drove numbers of the newly-converted through the roof! All the way up until-Y2K didn’t happen in 2000. I thought they’d go back to sanity then, but no. “Church” just got worse. Issuing directives on who to vote for from the pulpit. Touting political candidates as if they were ministers themselves by running for office. Even taking pages from Pat Robertson’s book & twisting the elbows of the flock to back their own campaigns. All other chicanery & snake-oil sales followed suit in rapid succession after that. I left church & joined a dojo instead by 1993 myself, though I continued to visit many churches-with the same bad taste in my mouth after being shamelessly shaken-down for offering after offering & watching limos, Benzes, HumVees pull out of the parking lot. Throw in the music & I might as well have been leaving nightclubs & party spots for all the “spiritual teaching” anybody got out of that.
Needless to say, having remained too close for comfort to a number of local churches, I now recognize most as cults because that is factually how many function. Hostages making grand displays of soup lines or food giveaways, with nothing but ministerial McMansions to show for all the plate-passing they’ve been doing for just about 40 years now. NO community surrounding any of them has improved in any way at their impetus. Not one. If anything, in disadvantaged neighborhoods they are a parasite, draining cash away to fund lavish living done by the clergy-not even the members. The same conditions on the ground Christ is said to have detested among temple clergy of that era 2,024 years ago.
“WWJD” has been forgotten now, but I still wonder. Especially seeing his own community environs being eviscerated by war, the people he himself would have known as neighbors & countrymen still living under hostile occupation & militarized zoning, based on race, as then, by a different empire-concept but even more cruelly today.
So much for religion. There’s only one remaining in practice, by all evidence: Systemic Injustice, on-tap, at all times, globally. ⚖️🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯🌲🕯⚖️
Interesting.
@@ahnraemenkhera7451A l lot of truth was packed into your observation. Be cause we are wired to desire "God", in order to actualize our true nature it draws us near to those who persuade us that they have figured it out and should consult them in order to gain our own salvation. Yet an inner truth whispers to me that the God of the Bible as it has been taught in so many denominations is unrecognizable, contradictory, and HAS been reduced to "Biting his nails" 😪
We all should be forwarding this fine interview with Tim Alberta to everyone we know, and it should be viewed in schools.
I just forwarded it, and will to many others.
This is the real Christian perspective! Thank you!! Tim Alberta never disappoints! He is great!!!!!
Many so-called christians are not followers of Jesus. I am agnostic. I follow the real Jesus about loving one another, feeding the hungry, welcoming the stranger, etc.
FINALLY, someone has the courage to call Trump out!!!
Amen!!!
He's been called for the last 9 yrs,,,, and look what happened,,,
@@kennethlitmon1821 Saying these call outs, attacking him, 24/7, (Trum), is the reason for this thing that happened Nov 5, 2024
It's all fake posts
He assumes too much. 😊
I still CANNOT believe that he and they portray him as an equal and/or alternate Jesus! God help us that IS the BEAST!!!🙏
sugardulce. They who? I am a Trump voter and I don't think hes God. Hes just a man who makes mistakes like a of us but one thing about this. God forgives all of us when we fail. I have only one God that I serve and its the one who died on the cross for my sins. We love Trump but we dont worship jim and I'm really tired of that lie being pushed out to the public. There are so many lies about Trump and his supporters
God forgives us when we acknowledge and repent and seek forgiveness.
Trump not only has failed to do that but boldly declares he has never sinned.
His own words and life condemn him
I forgot to write acknowledge OUR SIN and repent.
@@lucindawinn954 Not once will you find where it says "repent of your sins" in the BIBLE. It just says repent: which means to have a change of mind...
@@toolsrulzYou will find a Concordance of the Bible to be an invaluable resource regarding repentance.
This gives me hope in the church going forward, in spite of “Christian” nationalism. Thanks, both of you, for this discussion and work you’re doing.🙏
Even mainline churches bought into the relatively ‘innocuous’ trump years ago. They bought him also. They own him
OMG, you have hit home with Jerry Falwell and Liberty. I lived all my 68 years until the last 4 in Central Virginia. My first girlfriend's father was completely brainwashed in 1974 by all this. My family was Episcopalian. In tgat year, while I was still in high school, I went to Liberty Baptist church with my gf and her dad. They had a guest speaker that day. In his sermon, he listed all the Christian denominations who were going to hell, including my own. I was in shock, we had the same Bible in the pews. We took communion, etc. I was just a teenager, but it totally changed my political and religious views. For years, I never voted for a candidate, I voted against whomever Falwell told his people to vote for. Liberty University in later years was tyrannical. When I left 4 years ago, one of their employees told me they had so much money, it was hard to spend it. They were buying properties all over Lynchburg and Campbell County. Building horse stables, houses, camps, etc. They bought an entire mountain. Because of my life in that area with such religious hypocrisy, I no longer consider myself to be a religious person. I suppose I am agnostic. If a teenager can understand the hypocrisy , why not adults. How can they be so fooled?
Thank you, thank you THANK YOU!
@@Jmaglass for what? Just curious. You are welcome
I’d wager that GOD protects children but once you choose evil you are on your own. And GOD is a CHOICE God. Throughout the Bible, GOD says CHOOSE. I grew up in an African American Baptist church and a Lutheran church. I ultimately left the Lutheran Church because as an adult I realized they didn’t COMPREHEND their own teaching of the Holy Spirit😏. I later realized that most church folk don’t STUDY the Bible with HELP of THE HOLY SPIRIT in them either. I was fortunate that I listened and learned to study the Bible for myself with the help of the Holy Spirit. I found the Trinity truly important in understanding GOD’s Power. GOD, the Father LOVES us unconditionally, Jesus, GOD in human form SAVED is from ourselves and THE HOLY SPIRIT, the presence of GOD placed in us to help us be Who GOD wants us to be. And GOD desires us to be Lovers of Mankind AND Helpers to ALL. I don’t believe You are an agnostic but a child of the MOST High GOD❣️. Religion is man made but GOD is EVERYWHERE, ALL POWERFUL and ALL Knowing. And because of your casual beginning relationship YOU have continued to stand up for his values.
MAY GOD continue to KEEP You and BLESS You as You continue to walk in HIS WAY
If that's how you feel you were never a true Christian. Christianity is about your love for Jesus and secondarily, also for fellow man. It's not about politics. Did you read a Bible while at that University? Or ANYtime in your life? Do it.
@@tomsaxton970 I’m not sure
This brought a tear to my eye. I have felt so alone for so long. I have ceased going to church. Have not been to church for several years now, and cannot bring myself to go back. The people we have been talking about. Here are not the minority they are the majority and I just can’t deal with it anymore.
Please know that you are not alone by any means. I am standing with you❤ It is a lonely path we are on though, isn't it?
@@dalewillis1360 lonely does not even begin to describe it. I see our nation, the church, and the Republican party morphing into something unrecognizable. I am literally terrified of the election November 6. It is entirely possible that day may be the last day the United States resembles a democracy.
We in Canada will be praying for you, for us and for the world! It is a dark time but God's light will shine through again. Just hang on and stay close to God. He will see you/us through❤️
@@dalewillis1360 ❤😇
You are not alone.
Hearing that he was confronted by people at his fathers wake reminds me yet again of the absolute hypocrisy of so many religious people who call and consider themselves to be "the good ones". Truly sinners of the worst kind.
We are ALL sinners...thus the need for Salvation!
"Go to church on sunday and God will forgive you" negates every imperative value Christians claim to hold.
Just remember you said by most Christians. Honestly there are some of us Christians who don't like what is happening in our world any more than you do. We are not all the same.
Thank you gentlemen for this discussion. I thought I was going crazy with this evangelical blind support of Trump and those around him.
God bless you for your authenticity!❤❤❤❤❤❤
This happened to me too. At my grandmother's funeral her crazy right wing Pastor started espousing upon social issues, and how to solve everything politically. I was so burned up he would take such an occasion to push his personal issues. This was awhile back, but it still burns me up today.
@butchnoneed4883 I wish I had, I still kick myself. Instead, I thanked him for for looking after my grandmother. And, I should have added draining her ban,k account.
@butchnoneed4883 Right wing evangelicals do not listen.
Tim Alberta you speak for all of us evangelists that are spitting in the wind when it comes to having no allegiance to Trump, but holding on to our faith. Thank you for holding on to the Gospel of Christ.
Explain how most of you pledge allegiance to the democrats and almost venerate leaders who are overtly ungodly
Thank you for bring honest.
Do you believe in the separation of church and state? Because there is no place for religion in American government. Our Constitution was WRITTEN for the exact situation that we find ourselves in today. The Christian right (trump Maga Christians) believes in the adage Do as I say, not as I DO. All they want is power! Most of the politicians can’t even quote a passage from the Bible!
I agree with you.
I lost several friends over Trump, and I came to the conclusion, that, the spirit of delusion, has been sent, already. One friend, disowned me, after 20 years of close friendship. Thank you for the further, enlightenment!
To simplify it even further… consider what the ‘lawlessness’ is in the sense of the man of lawlessness… Satan was called a ‘murderer’ for lying/deceiving man, not for actually ‘killing’ their flesh… hence the spiritual nature of the death… Satan literal means ‘accuser’, ‘slanderer’, ‘opposer’…. Consider for a moment how trump came into power. He used the power of ‘slander’, ‘accusing’ all who would stand in ‘opposition’ to him… he didn’t rely on any virtue or decent skill with which to judge properly how to lead or convince his audience, merely manipulating them by telling them what they wanted to hear (flattery), bribing them and lying to them (‘I alone can fix’, ‘I am the chosen one’, etc.). Dan 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, *_a master of intrigue_* will arise. 24 He will become very strong, *_but not by his own power_* . He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. 25 *_He will cause deceit to prosper and he will consider himself superior_* ...” -niv
(25 “Through his craft and by his hand, he will cause deceit to prosper, and *_in his own mind he will make himself great_* …” -BSB)
my friendship with someone ended when I said if you support what trump and his supporters did on january 6th unfriend me on facebook and one friend unfriended me and blocked me. I was so angry and disgusted with trump and his supporters did in washington dc on that day
@@GMC-qo9xi.. Eternal God is in control according to Dan 4:17, 35. In 2016, God put him (45) in and exposed the evangelical demons who support him. In 2020 God removed him and he refused to accept Gods Sovereign rejection of him, thats why he and his demons stormed the Capitol in rebellion and insurrection. Now in 2024, we will see what Eternal God God has in-store for him and this wicked, racist country. Judgement will be harsh, certain, and not pretty !!!
Me too. My brother I had to block, he was telling everyone in our family awful things, because we found Trump a vile human being.
My sister too. He is “the great divider”
Tim Alberta & Adam Kinzinger; My conservative brothers in Christ, are my FAVORITES. . 🤗.
A surprising source, none other than arch conservative Barry Goldwater, warned the GOP about the disaster that would befall the Republican party if evangelicals gained a foothold in Republican politics. Say what you will about Goldwater, but he was correct. Disaster.
Was that before or after Berry Goldwater and evangelical Christian Jerry Farwell Seniors operation Dixie1960 ? 🤔
Are you attempting to deny that Goldwater, as the most conservative Republican of his era, who Reagan idolized - you trying to deny he openly hated Christians?
Goldwater hated Evangelicals and it's well known. They threatened him with wrecking him, and in the end he won out, had a long career, and his statements castigating Christianity still stand as vindicated to this day. Just as of some of the core founders of America show a bitter hatred and rejection of Christianity in _their_ writings.
They worship Trump.
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792who will be "our" Goldwater???
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 I wouldn’t say he “hated” evangelicals. But, he saw a danger of mixing religion and politics. He thought Republicans aligning with Jerry Falwell, was a “bad idea.” He was concerned with U.S. interests, and that the evangelical’s interest, and U.S. interests, might not match.
It's good to see American Christians being as flabbergasted about this whole Christian /Trump alliance as most Europeans are.
Yes! For my sake! I was feeling alone until I found videos like this 🇺🇲
Yes, there are a bunch of us. We still can't figure out what the heck is wrong with these people. And the bad thing is that a lot of them are family and friends, who have now "disowned" us. It's painful on many levels.
Actually, most Europeans are moving in a populist direction. Same thing with Canada. They are tired of global elites running their countries who have contempt of the middle class. That's what left-wingers do not understand.
Pure horse hockey!!!
@@sheliaporter6795 I couldn't have said it better!
I mean my friends and family didn't disown me but they were being jerks about it 😢
What Evangelicals don’t realize is their judgements & hypocrisy that is turning people away from Jesus will condemn their souls in so many ways. They will be Judged for it.
Noone escapes the just Judgement of the Highest and his firstborn from the dead, the Christ Jesus. All of God's makings are part of the eternal Judgement through their spiritual nature which pushes them to judgemental activities and only a few find their way out of judgement, trouble, distress and desperation. Revelation 22.10 - 12
Amen
I left after 55+ years
Thank you for the truth and boldness on your part, Tim. May God bless you and your family going forward. I know what it's like to be alienated from family and the flock.
When I feel fear from fellow Christians instead of Love, then the Christian Church in America has lost what it means to be a Christian in the World.
This is an extremely important topic. Imagine how many people have turned away from the church because of the Evangelical support of Trump. Completely discouraging.
I’m one of those people.
I am one of those people too.
@@chickenmama823 I do not blame you. I'm totally confused right now. My spiritual life has come to a complete stop.
@@DeborahLeighMoore
I just don't understand how the church isn't calling these evangelicals out on their false hood. They need to be EXPOSED for all to see.
Ive always been agnostic, both about religion and anything else. But these ppl are really pushing me hard towards just being an outright atheist, coz I cannot see, how any God as described by the Christian texts could possible exist and allow these ppl to represent him.
I'm a black man and I really appreciate it. You're teaching southern baptis and other Christian groups or religions? I think you really spoke truthfully.
Wow! Amen, yes, thank you, Sirs. You both are right on point. It's so good to hear this truth from others, too. After the 2016 election, Lord had given me insight into much of what you're sharing. When people asked, "What in the world is going on and what's happening here in America," I've tried to share much of that exact information. My friends, some family, and some church members would look at me as if I were talking non-sense. Some argue back with scripture (out of context), they were taught to say, and they then would ask me for my sources and context. I responded with the scripture, in context, and recommended prayer, decernment, and a willingness to listen to God over man. Now, this video is strong confirmation, and I will share it as the Lord leads. Whether others will listen is up to them🤷🏾♀️
''When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag 🇺🇲 and carrying a cross ✝.'' - Sinclair Lewis
Bingo. And then there is this quote from Barry Goldwater, “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
This episode has touched me deeply! Thank you!
@@Lonewolfmike Good quote from Goldwater. And don't forget that Goldwater also told Nixon to resign or we will vote to impeach you over Watergate. Too bad such republicans no longer exist today ... they have morphed into a mafia level criminal organization pretending to be politicians.
My dad used to say that.
What a prophet he was!
Tim Alberta is a great man for our time. We need to listen to him.
I wish I could broadcast this interview on every TV channel, every social media platform, and plaster the cover of Tim’s book on every billboard in the world! I have been trying to verbalize these things for years, and now it’s all been organized into one presentation, Biblical support included. Thank you so much! Keep up the great work!
It is a blessing & refreshing to hear from Tim Aberta every time. Thanks Bulwark for hosting him. 👍👍🏾👌🏽
Oh thank you for speaking up on this, I am a Christian and it scared me to see how the idolatry towards Trump is so strung and so many Christians are blinded to what he really stands for. Thank you so much, may our lord bless you and continue giving you wisdom.
Right, they need to open that dusty Bible up and meditate and pray. This is not it and the Lord sees and knows your heart. ❤
I just found out about project 2025.most of my Frieds are trump idolizers. they won't read about project 2025. as a Christian I'm praying God would wake America up before it's too late
Thank you and I'm in the same boat....I am a believer in God and watching every person I knew to be a believer following Trump as though he was a god
@cr8389 what exactly do you think trump stands for ??
Sorry this question was not for you it was for someone else
God showed me 9 years ago that trump was the antichrist! Now here we are.
I feel less alone listening to Tim and reading the comments! Tim's voice is so needed. My husband and I found it too hard to go back to our church but recently found a very progressive church that we are hopeful we will find a home in. I had never thought about how today's church has failed a similar test that Jesus went through, when Jesus was being tempted by Satan saying he'd give Jesus the world if he would worship him. So many in the church have chosen hate, harshness, lack of compassion, money and power over all that Jesus taught. Good to hear that there are youth who are reading the "words in red" in the Bible and are responding.
That is a perfect analogy. ❤
SO many are just never going back - Good to hear you found a new home. Jesus never preached of prosperity. He overturned the tables in the temple. All he spoke of was loving others. Then one day, you are sitting in church, and out of nowhere you feel like you're being personally attacked by the aggression and darkness coming from the pulpit.
@@WaiveWillJesus was an early socialist!
I just re-read the gospels. That guy was a straight up peace and love hippie! @@henrynewton8809
@@WaiveWill for me it was when the pastor started using the code words like "cancel culture." You can tell who they are listening to. Yes, the real tragedy in this is many people are being led AWAY from God and want nothing to do with God or any church, because of these hypocrites and their false notions of what Jesus taught. My husband and I were away from church for months, and just focused on volunteering and Matthew 25, living our faith. But we need community.
This was an amazing interview. Those people are hypocrites. They don't know what the true meaning of being a Christian is. No wonder people become nonbelievers. Tim is a fantastic writer! Love his books!
Does anyone know what the true meaning of being a Christian? (Jesus certainly did not since it was a term not coined until years after his death, by a Roman called Pliny). If you think you do, you may need to think again. Religions are not about teaching us once-and-for-all answers, but teaching is to keep asking the right questions. The answers are not always the same!
My sentiments exactly. I am disappointed that more religious leaders are not coming together and speaking out on the hypocrisy.
@@ianmayes8072 "I give you a new Commandment, To love one ANOTHER as I love you." Said by Jesus.
@@Zgreasewood "He that is wounded in the stones or hath his privy member cut off shall not enter the kingdom of heaven." Fishing quotations at random out of ancient writings does not contribute much. As to your quotation, a commandment given on Maundy (from 'mandare')Thursday, well that worked didn't it!!! Especially in sect-riven America....
That’s why your relationship and belief is not dependent oni what other people do . They are just humans with human flaws we all have those . If a man falls that is not going to change my mind and heart on My personal relationship with God. But that’s just me.
Really interesting. This black woman from the South who grew up in a southern baptist church, I’m grateful you actually spoke the truth. Thank you.
I respect Mr. Alberta's nuanced and honest thinking. Takes something special to reflect on a system you've grown up in and to criticize it in such a lucid and even-handed way.
What these evangelicals are embracing and calling Christianity is totally anti Christian!! Jesus stood before His accusers and said not a word. Jesus' teachings go completely against the hatred, racism, anti immigrant, and bigotry of these people. Thank you both for speaking the truth!
That is because they’re extremely evil
It's the spirit of anti-christ.
definitely Not Christ Spirited. Nothing the Beatitudes. They opposite of
People are being brainwashed by the media and everything else. There are demonic forces pushing for a one world government, in the name of Jesus. A false and forced religion. It's biblical. It's in Revelation 13. God gives us freedom to choose. Revelation 17 describes the Beast or false church. We will go through the final events. Revelation is meant to be understood. I'm so tired of hearing that if you're not a scholar, then you won't understand. Both political sides play on the same team. Trump said he's giving the power back to the church. That's as frightening as the blue pill. Jesus is the Only way and yes we will be going through persecution.
@@ladyzinada5341Exactly!!!
This was a very important dialogue, one I take personally. My brother's wife went down to Virginia for Christian "counseling" in the mid-1980's in Falwell-land and came back with an agenda. Over time she managed to separate my brother from my mother and me, lied, etc. and her raised her kids the same way. Ultimately, my mother and I moved out of state because we were "cut out" of the family and they showed very little respect to my late mother. They took the money and ran when she died. At this point, I consider them as strangers and have drawn the line on the "gaslighting" we endured for 30+ years.
So very sorry your family was torn apart like that. May GOD fill You with HIS PEACE and Return ALL You have Lost hundred fold.
I PRAY this for ALL FAMILIES that CHURCH LIES have striped them of their FAMILY unity.
The "Bible Belt" is real. Quite easy to get sucked in! After moving to southwest GA, growing up in IL, asked by a Welcome Wagon lady if I was "churched". Said I was Catholic. That ended it!😂
I read the book and even for me as a German it was the most important book of the year! Thank you for the book and the interview!
Hallo Deutschland. 👋🥨🍺Vielen dank.
@ Hallo zurück 🙂👋
Such an important message. This was an excellent conversation. So sorry Tim Alberta, the situation at your father's funeral happened. Some people have lost their minds. They are not using their God given critical thinking skills. Please keep speaking up and out. Your dad must be proud of you. God bless you and yours.
Here's the irony...
In the late 1970s and into the 1980s, the GOP fully adopted the then fringe ideology of anti-New Deal
(FDR introduced the New Deal to save capitalism, which under the Robber Barons was crushing Americans. There was serious interest by Americans in jettisoning capitalism for communism. FDR created a managed capitalism that worked for the average American (problems, of course, but restrained the ultra wealthy and corporations), which re-instilled a belief in capitalism amongst the people.
The anti-New Deal GOP in the 1980s believed only a few (the ultra wealthy) should govern and laws and the tax code should funnel money to them. Their platform was:
1. No business regulations (more profit)
2. No taxes on the wealthy and corporations (more profit).
They knew they couldn't sell this to average American, and they they couldn't win votes.
So they promoted culture wars
to distract voters aways from their extractive economic policies,
and to focus voters on "them causing all the problems" (jews, women, African Americans, gays. .... anyone not like "us".)
Now the GOP is reaping what it sowed. It sowed hate and conflict for the sole reason that they wanted to make more profits.
Now those hate groups, sired by the Republicans, run the GOP.
All for the sake of money.
Bingo.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf what film?
Did you also know that FDR and Stalin were pen pals? In fact they liked each other so much that they agreed to swap bureaucrats so they could learn each other's system...of course Stalin had no intention of learning anything from America's system...but FDR learned a lot from Stalin.
I agree with 👍 this guy. I was brainwashed for years. As a child, I was sexually abused and as a teenager as well.
No one wanted to talk about this abuse, we were never talked too about these topics. It was expressed as satanic, and we don't talk about sex.
We weren't even a hugging family or told that we were loved.😢
I'm 75 now and have been so guilt ridden and depressed through the years.
I do not want anything to do with religion now.
My three sisters are in the evangelical church and their churches tell their congregation they have to vote for Republicans because the democrats are from the devil and they are out to kill all republicans. because democrats want to kill all babies.😢
It breaks my heart because it's actually the Republicans who are told to kill the democrats from their pulpits.
Where is Christ in these churches?
😮😢
Wishing you healing and peace from such violence & trauma. The physical & emotional abuse that has been covered up, dismissed, and denied is horrific in the name of faith is disgusting.😢
As a 61 survivor of a fundamentalist cult ,I have been asking that question for 61years.
@@patriciaariley5810Me too… at 63
I understand how you feel about the lack of support after being sexually abused. I was inappropriately touched, told who I thought were friends but they never wanted to hear about it again or offer any comfort. They don't seem to know how to be empathetic. I believe it makes them feel too negative and want to preserve their feelings in a state of comfort. They also have no training as counselors so don't know how to communicate appropriately.
Sir God's truth is the only truth repent and turn back to him he loves you he made you in his image he sent his only son Jesus Christ to die that horrible death for you for all of us.Please don't listen to these two reprobate minds go to the bible.
God will never be defeated. God is in control
God Is.
It’s all in His plan. I fell like the martyrs in Rev. 6 “How long, Lord! How long”. Their feeble, cruel, lying kingdom will fall. There is a Name above all names and it isn’t Trump or MAGA.
Love the title… “how trump GOT evangelicals to…. “
Granted, he has done a lot of horrible things. But don’t let these people fool you - they know exactly what they’re doing and have for many decades.
Anything but “righteous” or “pious”. They want what THEY want, with no regard for anyone but themselves and their agenda. So much for love thy neighbor. 🤷♀️
Creeps…oh, sorry…brothers & sisters + friends in my case😢. Never to be seen again…hard but needed to be done🤷🏼.
Many of these evangelicals indeed know what they’re doing. They made a deal with the devil, for power… and then expect Jesus to rescue them from the “cost” of that deal. (They take the “he died for our sins” as a guarantee that they’ll be ok.) But they ignore that “the devil” is guaranteed “his pound of flesh”. The sins Jesus died for are not “deals with the devil.” That “contract” isn’t covered by Jesus.
I believe you
You just described democrats
What horrible things has Trump done?
I was once a Lutheran Republican. I have also worked with young female athletes from all over America and Canada (ages 14 thru 24). What Trump and the religions right coupled with the youth of today have shown me is that people don't need to believe in a higher power to do what is right or to serve others. It's actually easier to forgiving and giving when you don't live in fear of condemnation. Since leaving the church and the Republican party it's been so much easier to be a conservative and help others. This interview was great. It reminded me of a time of less harsh judgement from the church. I will need to read the book. I'm sure it will give me some great insights to these people's belief system so I can better serve them.
Yes! Well said.
Revelation 22.10 - 12 🍷🌁
Why do you think Trump is evil?
Exceptional discussion. I cannot fathom how Mr. Alberta must have felt at being verbally attacked by people he’d known for years and years while his father was being waked and buried. This is a cultural cancer that has been let loose. I pray we have the strength to fight back and win, to save both the church and the country.
Thank you Tim I appreciate you articulating what it means to truly be a Christian.
My 76 year old dad was a hard evangelical his entire adulthood. He started off brainwashed as a young child then experienced a series of tragedies right after college. He was so beaten down, he was doing his best to hang on and take care of his family. He has a huge heart. A really good guy.
He did vote for Trump the first time, because he didn't believe what came out of his mouth - he believed his church. He is now heavy into researching the history of religeon, how these religeons are connected etc. He is waking up, it takes time to deconstruct and rewire. It is beautiful.
project 2025
Zillion Amens!!!
Better late than never
So glad he's waking up...Actually that's what's lead so many down the wrong path...they believed in everything EXCEPT GOD. As Christians, we should NOT be putting our faith or hope in anyone or anything BUT GOD.
Amen brother. I believe everyone voting for Trump has deep seated Trauma he's taking advantage of.
Great interview I don’t know about any of the other presidents, but Jimmy Carter and his wife were very religious and lived a good Christian life. Yes, he made mistakes as most presidents do that after he left office, he and his wife started doing volunteer work did volunteer work and continue to do so until they could no longer do it rest in peace, Mrs. Carter
Carter was a theocratic figure decisions policy in nature that he made were guided by his relegious principles
Jim and Rosalind Carter had an unshakable knowledge of God's Love. Thereby they lived with love and compassion for the world.
Omg! My heart is hurting so badly for Tim. His wife certainly nailed the question.
Thank you Tim I did not know what to say when my sister came back at me. You mirrored my bafflement. She has always held herself as a true Christian. I simply asked what she thought about her Senator JD Vance saying "The immigrants in Springfield were eating their neighbors' pets (Later he admitted he lied). She came back at me saying she did not care about that she was upset that a person said they were upset with the hit to housing in the city and attached a very angry symbol. The truth about that did not matter to her. That she would vilify other people (God's children) that way, left me speechless..
In a word, "Brilliant!" Both of these men are SO intelligent, insightful & well spoken. Why can't most of us Americans be more like these guys? 💙
Down with Christo-fascism!
Up with your comment!
It all started with Billy Graham, the mass evangelism. The whole idea was never really questioned, look where it is now, cultism at the highest level, being controlled by power and money greedy hypocrites.
Revelation 22.10 - 12 🍷✌️
It should be a contradiction of terms....
Evil hides in plain sight. It gathers it's army among the faithful while testing our relationship with Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
Blood.
Well said!
We are a FREE NATION and not a christian nation!
I remember this kind of rhetoric coming out of my fellow Americans in the ‘80s. It was coming from the TV preachers. It was written in Christian books. It’s not new. This has been coming for some time. I left the church because they became a church of domination rather than of love.
This was an excellent interview. Thanks so much. It has baffled me how the church has gotten so involved in politics, especially evangelical churches.
Presenting the Gospel that isn't the Gospel but is the word of Trump...Thats today's Evangelists!
I'm in my 62nd year here on earth and the worst acts committed against me have been from friends and family who claim to be "CHRISTIANS." The day man drops religion, is the day man has a CHANCE...to save himself. Watch the cartoon; "The Grinch." Watch the cartoon; "The Lorax." When someone does something nice, helpful, pleasant...thank the person. For goodness sake. For harmony, for community, for health. STOP the archaic non-sense. Ive NEVER filed for bankruptcy, never sued anyone, never attacked anyone. I own my home, have two sons that have been model citizens; ones a professional athlete the other excels in business and active adventure living. CHOOSE TO MAKE NO ROOM FOR NON-SENSE. You'll be so glad you did. THINK FOR YOURSELVES !!!
Sounds like some pretty heavy self-aggrandizement .
@@aylalawone7049 Ahh...excellent comment...seriously. Example of thinking for yourself...perfect !
My observation is that people have realized it’s a grift. For people that have the ability & dexterity to lie to others. So they rise to power in the “church realm”.
It’s a far rewarding grift than 10 years of sweat & toil of medical school.. CONSTANTLY studying and working in IT (where I am) and in an ever changing environment of technology all a pastor has to do is read the Bible. No code to write, study etc just a very old book 📕 that NOTHING has changed in. Same with the Koran.
These two religions will be found to be the greatest CON of humankind. And as I say this I believe in God .. I believe that there’s something in man that constantly wants to make him closer to a supreme being. So I go to church once in a while on a Sunday but I will NOT be drawn into the other time consuming activities (Bible study etc etc).
@@sophieobiero-ro7uj Aren't you describing humility. Why can't we just say Sophie is humble and gracious. I dunno. I don't, can't won't acknowledge a God, can't do it. It's non-sense to me. I think of it this way: If you believe in God a God, if you get hurt injured or sick, you get to pray for healing. The rest of us...Get the use of modern medicine.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I believe most of what I was taught all of my life . I am not active in Church . At 73 , I have a few questions .And answers may come in time . I love God . I love Jesus . I am not struggling every day to follow Jesus every day . I try to be a good person . I know I fall way short every day , of goals I set . However , I know what I want nothing to do with . And trumpy , his enablers , followers , in short his cult , are people I do not wish to attempt to understand any more . The greed and hunger for power , is more than I want to cope with . It translates to HATE , AND ENDS IN VIOLENCE AND PAIN . AND TOO MANY OF TRUMPYS FOLLOWERS , JUST DON'T WANT TO LEARN . AND TRUMPY TEACHES THEM TO CARE ONLY ABOUT HIM .I prefer politicians who , whether those politicians realize or not , are actually trying to care about , people and themselves , and they are doing as Jesus taught every day he was on this planet . I will always vote for that politician who is doing what I understood , was what jesus taught .
Ol Coot here Yes. for most of this life I have love America and the American people. Voluntered during Vietnam and off and on served our government for 18 years. Most all of us have this awareness that some percentage of any nation, community, social group would contain some elements that we can label as darker than the rest and Iam not talking skin color!
This Nov election has been a shocker for so many of us!
This really hammered at my perceptions of love towards my fellow Americans. To see this betral in the vote totals!! This.....betrayal, for power? weath? , revenge against others? change???
All that could possibly attract anyone to vote for Trump could be found under that which Jesus condemned in his ministry.
America as the Boomer generation had experienced, is gone and, don't believe it can be recovered.
As a Chaplain, I first want to say that I am sorry for your loss . The second issue is that I have been blessed to hear your message that I have been waiting to hear since Trump’s initial announcement of his running for Office of the President of the United States, thank you!
I have been watching and posting videos with Bill Kristol, Charlie Sykes, and other Conservative Republicans in hopes of reaching some of my trump supporting friends and family. THIS is the video that touches all the points. I hope it works. Thank you Charlie and Tim Alberta for a great interview. God help us reach our friends and family.
Tim Alberta thank you for speaking up wish more people will listen to you ..people has to be kind
Charlie Sykes and Tim Albert are two brilliant minds in America that I respect.
Tim is a national treasure, and exactly what makes Christianity so bright, a religion of two millennia and counting, based on good will and a call to our best. God may not bite his nails, but he surely must weep a lot.
Religiosity, with all it is said to entail, is not part of Trump's character. His character is instead exactly as described by this text by Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, answering the question *"Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"* - sentiments shared by *people around the world* in general:
“A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace; all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing. Not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever.
And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility. For us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is. His idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults, he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff, the Queensberry rules of basic decency, and he breaks them all. He punches downwards, which a gentleman should, would, could never do, and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless, and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority, perhaps a third, of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
- Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
- You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss.
He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws, he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumps of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God, what have I created?’
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”
I’m an American and I agree with excellently written comment.
That was brilliant! The best description of Trump that I have read.
I usually gloss over such long comments but I actually took screenshots so I have it to look at occasionally it was such a good synopsis. Thank you, Brilliant! 🎉
I love this, this so on point ❤❤❤
Most TH-camrs would not take the time to read this quote, which is a great pity because it sums up exactly what Trump is - an empty vessel devoid of any trace of goodness. I cannot imagine how even Trump cultists could actually dispute anything that Nate White has written here. It should be compulsory reading for all Americans.
As Christian for most of my life and a past evangelical I find this SO true. It breaks my heart how many people I know and love are being deceived in this way. I am praying that God will open their eyes as to how the devil is making them believe such garbage.
Praying will do nothing
Financial ruin might make them change.
Why do you think Trump is evil?
They are under 2 Thess 2;10-12 Strong delusion,Sent by God, because they are Not,truly His,Why they follow the Antichrist,Who IS trump
STANDING in PRAYER with You🥰. Remember, ““For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.””
- Matthew 18:20
@@dianakidd4219 SO many reasons. What he says and does in plain sight is all I need for evidence. Trials will give even more concrete evidence. You have to be blind and deaf not to see it or emotionally caught up in the cult. It is absolutely a cult.
Thank you Charlie and Tim. 😊 fearless journalism 💙🤺
Such a powerful discussion and appreciate Tim’s story so much!
Separation of Church and State is one of the most important principles of democracy and should be absolutely enforced in the USA. And that includes zero tax exemptions for churches or religious organizations. They use government goods and services and should pay taxes just like everyone else.
@@coreyham3753 Some people might argue about some churches deserving of non-profit status IF they provide a benefit to society but NOT when they violate the trust the government reposed in them by bestowing their tax exempt status under IRS Sec. 501(c)(3) which strictly PROHIBITS political speech from the pulpit and especially urging parishioners and followers to vote a certain way or for a specific candidate. It's ludicrous that politically involved churches still have tax exempt status, they should be prosecuted!
My uncle was a rural baptist minister in his 80s and “won” a prize to mar largo all expenses paid twice. 2015 and 2016. Second time he was allowed to bring my aunt. They were treated like kings and fed Qanon theory to go home and preach. They came home and bought weapons for the first time and started teaching prepping skills to his congregation. Overtime my Uncle came to understand he had been tricked when none of the Qanon deadlines came true. Saw the rhetoric of DJT and had the experience of growing up through WW2. He died in 2022 full of regret for ever trusting them. He tried to warn his congregation but they are lost in the rage now.
I am so glad I came from a secular family and was raised as an atheist. I learned early that you treat your fellow human beings decently because we all go through life just once and the worst thing you is diminish another's quality of life on this short sojourn--no rewards in some mythical afterlife, but reward in the here and now by living with consideration and respect for others and receiving the same from them.
Yes i agree can not understand how weak and without self esteem that people have to be to rely on some unseen mysical entity for support and then turn it toward hate for others whom may not hold their views.
Most of my family were believers. I tried. It just made no sense to me. Too much evil. Too many contradictions. I have never been back once I realized that the majority of the people were just putting on an act and didn't live the life they put on. I was 11. I prefer reality, science, and people being good to one another because that's the right thing to do and not because they fear some imaginary sky daddy and read a bunch of control freaks disjointed thoughts. In my opinion, all religion was invented for is to control others (mostly women and children) and make money. If their "god" is going to strike me down for being a good person and being able to see through a literal CON MAN and refusing to vote for him, I'm as good as gone!!!
LoL!
@@normanbrown3466 But you calling them weak and without self esteem because they don't hold your views isn't you not only turning it toward hate, but also into your own brand's usual pride and ego induced manner of self-praise and elevation? Yes, it certainly is, but perhaps you cannot understand that either.
TIM ALBERTA,, You are a great man., god bless you.
This reflects my experience as a recovering fundamentalist evangelical Christian since childhood. Than you for sharing.
These same folks, if they were born in a different country would fly planes into buildings, instead they died in 2 countries in the longest wars in the history of this nation (with Saudi Arabia, where the hijackers were from, not touched, Pakistan where Bin Laden lived, not touched...and no WMD were found or Afghanistan "liberated") Religion...bah, humbug.
@@onedaya_martian1238 I don't know about that anymore. One of them murdered their dad declaring a holy war while reciting verbatim rightwing talking points.
Same here. My evangelical parents unintentionally inflicted years of "intellectual abuse" on me by raising me in the church and even though they love me and had the best of intentions, it permanently ruined my relationship with them. They aren't MAGA zombies, but they believe everything Fox News tells them, and their pastor feeds them the same thing every Sunday. I despise these self-proclaimed "Christians" intensely, yet even though I disagree with Tim Alberta's beliefs, I highly respect him for actually following Jesus' teachings. We need more Christians like that.
Evangelicalism as defined by religious beliefs and ethics is very rare today. Now it is political cultism for the most vocal part. Hopefully the reaction (like this excellent video) will increase. There must be many of those who take God more seriously than Trump!
They created a monster and lost control of it now don't know what to do😂
Trump is using God and the evangelicals to gain votes.
Because for many of these people it’s never been about Jesus, the gospel, and the beatitudes. It’s been about white supremacy, American exceptionalism, and having a god in our own image not the other way around. And that image is a god who hates who we hate.
Listen to the oaths and words of the folks who wear sheets and pointed hats, it is all christian rhetoric...especially when they light up their crosses. But that is kept quiet by those who hear it, because they like it.
Well said.
Whew such a harsh reality to find that so many who one had loved and respected for years was now caught up in this un-American shame of supporting the rich guy.."Yes! this is what America needs".
Their ways are not the Lord's ways, in fact all this hatred and anger they generate to promote this cause is contrary to Jesus's teachings.... Wake up America!
Thanks so much for this fantastic interview! I am churchgoing, but it's become so much more difficult since Trump! I have heard so much hate and self righteousness in Bible studies, before and after church and sadly even in the pulpit that I feel wary now.
The hate has always been there. It is the log in all the beLIEvers eyes that has been removed and now they see. And that is without the faith healers grifting and maybe using spit and dirt to "cure" the blindness.
It’s Biblical End Times = over 30000 lies = The Father of Lies leader of the Self Righteous Christian Party of Evil 👿 Hypocrisy as was foretold by the Prophet Daniel and Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior 😮😊❤
there’s more good in the bible than bad, look for the truth and self righteous people are not it, chances are they’re judging everyone else, but not turning the eyes inward
@@tomcheslock2685i feel like i have a barometer for evil and when i saw project 2025, the hair on my arms stood up and i felt scared, afraid, trapped… but then i got through to the anger at him the orange antichrist. i ve hated that they compare him to Jesus, who is nothing like tRumpkin in any way
Unbelievable someone would leave you a note like that after your dad's funeral. The last I was at my family church (in 2015) that I grew up in (I'm 65) and was speaking about tolerance, a Sunday School teacher, who was saying women should submit to men in all things as told in the Bible, told me no one wanted to hear anything I had to say. That's why it was the last time.
I am so glad this long overdue conversation is taking place
What Evangelicals did during Trump's time was a disgrace/exposed their true BARRENNESS ‼️
Tim being a pastor's son taking this to the fire is such a relief for some of us Christians here in Africa.
Evangelical here. I totally agree will all shared.by Mr. Alberta’s.
Old white guy here who grew up steeped in Christian Protestantism. Grew up mostly in Detroit and partly in the suburbs. I married into a family which gave me a lot of Iranian in-laws. Back then religious differences didn't matter. Now I have a son and it's hard to say whether he is white, brown, Muslim, Christian. Why should it matter. WHY SHOULD IT MATTER.
Fantastic talk! Sorry for what you had to endure during your father's wake and funeral, and continue to go through from your father's flock. Truly sad😢
As a 68 year old, I have to agree with what he says at the end. The younger Gen Z as a whole, are much more awake then the people of my age and my kids age. (40ish). So there is hope!
Could it be that the Right are so busy banning the learning of America’s TRUE HISTORY, All while REPEATing it in its policies???
JIMMY CARTER A DESCENT HUMBLE LOVING COMPASSIONATE AUTHENTIC CHILD OF GOD IS STILL HERE WITH US. GOD BLESS HIM RICHLY. LOVE YOU MR.CARTER
He was antichrist in spirit! His favorite song was IMAGINE! As Godless as it can get.
I feel your pain Tim. I have been through a similar trial. I'm presently unchurched. However, I am still a Christian. I still love God and HIS WORD.
You show me a religious Trump supporter and I'll show you someone with a twisted moral/ethical system!
They're the same ones who kick their kids out of the house for being gay, dating outside their race, or having different political beliefs.
"...Hate your next door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace.
And tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction"
Or someone who is being fed lies and is not able to get a real perspective because the propaganda is so loud and in our faces daily.
He's a flawed vessel, but he has been sent by God to save them from the worldly forces that want to destroy them. They believe it!
@@WaiveWillthose people do not know God, for he hates idolaters, he will sort them out, he sent Moses to wash out the mouths of the idolaters, with the gold that they loved more than God....
I hear ya man. Haven't been home in 10 years and want to get there for 1 day over the holidays b4 my mom is gone. I don't need that guilt. So I'm really trying to convince myself.@@Rob_Moilanen
The true chirch is with in you god is always with us
I'm Catholic by nature it is really fascinating to hear you guys and completely understand so easy the complicity of the values of the message and lesson from the Messiah teach us and leave up to us to fallow his path to meet with him thanks for your inspiration ; will get the book ASAP to fulfill me 🫴🤝🤝