Derbauers direct die performance was incredible. He had it fully unleashed at 6GHz and it was like 60c full load. I've never seen performance like that. Was at 1.525v. and only costs 140 for the RGB version.
My i9 13900k dropped 20c in Cinebench(stock) with a Aric Freezer III 420mm AIO and a KtyoSheet. The upgrade was because the rig was too loud on the desktop with an EK 360mm AIO. It never crashed and temps in games were fine. My other i9 13900k rig did do the game crashing thing but I was using a Silverstone 360mm AIO. I replaced the Silverstone with a EK 360mm and no more crashing. This build is under a desk so it will not get the 420mm upgrade. The down side to the 420mm is that it did not fit in any of my mid tower cases so I bought an Lian Li 011 EVO XL. The XL is fantastic but pricy.
Funny, I just picked up a Mystique 360 and a 14900KS paired with the Z790 APEX and some DDR5 8000 ram. Took a little while, and some tuning, but I set an all core 5.9ghz, and a power cap on the short and long term duration to 275w. Games have been running great, even the ones that hit the shader comp hard. Before the cap, I was not crashing but I saw 340W of package power at 101c. INSANE. As far as the upload issue, I believe this issue is currently being worked on, keep an eye out for an update on the software!
Imagine if MOBO's weren't so aggressive, or if Intel had some more enforcement on bioses that shipped. They would save themselves so much face... But much like Radeon, Intel doesn't seem to care about scoring easy wins.
I actually have the same exact set up. Had a 13900K in the Z790 Apex with G Skill 8,000 ram with a Kraken Elite 360 cooler in push pull. The 14900KS was running fine how I had it set up for about 3 days then everything went to shit. Direct X crashes, blue screens, then the system wouldn't even let me boot into windows, even after I cleared the CMOS many times. I even downclocked my Ram at one point thinking it was the culprit. Then I tried to reset the system to an earlier set point, and it would still crash. In the end I think I must have corrupted some files trying to get it to boot and it would just hard crash and go Straite to bios and crash trying to get to windows. I eventually had to buy a new hard drive and download windows from the cloud and put my 13900K back in. I tried so many variations of bios settings, even downclocking the CPU to 5.6 5.7, but I had already screwed something up and it wouldn't run it. I might play with it again, but only if I water block it and go that route. No point even having it if you can't run it around 6.0ghz. How it ran for 3 days before it started crashing is a mystery to me also. I was actually running it on AI Overclock settings with all limits removed and some other settings raised higher to keep it from tripping. But it failed with Direct X crashes first, then blue screens and no boot to windows at all so I had to give up. I would love to get it running eventually because I spent the money on it. I really need to go ahead and start water cooling my stuff but just haven't gotten into that yet. Glad you got it working though, because not too many people have got it stable enough to run it.
That is wild! AI OC has a tendencay to blast voltages to an unsafe level. Did you happen to see what your VCORE max was during that time? I have seen some overclocks, especially memory cause windows corruption to the point of needing a reinstall, but thats pretty rare.
In Europe Arctic Freezer 360 is on sale on their website for EUR 76,15 (non RGB) and the Thermalright is EUR 73. So I would probably just choose arctic :/
That frozen notte at 60$ is a killer deal, that leaves you lotsa money to replace the fans with some nice noctuas and still be under the price of the Arctic. Plus maybe get some PTM7950 on there instead of paste.
No, not really. A 420mm AIO will give you 2% more performance running Cinebench loops over just a single tower aircooler. Unless you are running benchmarks, overkill cooling is useless, since CPUs don't gain much performance no matter how much you keep cranking up voltages and power draw. I've been scoring 41500 in CBR23 on a 13900k and a single tower air cooler @ 85c no problem.
@@KiSs0fd3aTh Bro I'm talking locked cores not Boosting. Boosting cores will have a curve to follow locked cores don't. I'm running 5.8Ghz all core 4.7ghz E-cores with a 420m corsair H170i and contact frame max wattage 370w scoring well over 42k No thermal throttle 87c at best with 7600mhz ram 14900k my 13900k does much better at that speed crazy how that happens
@@tommypearson9260 single rad 360 with good fans push pull can cool up to 1.2k of heat in a 22° room temperature , the problem is the IHS contact not the watercooler , bigger rad can help in a hot room like 35° if you don't have AC on in a hot country like Morocco , but in the case of modern cpus just put a direct waterblock with liquid metal and litlle bit of sanding for the die and you can get 70 ° with 140m rad push pull vs a 420mm rad :d
not going to change much, if you want to cool this CPU, only direct die is the solution, 360 rad will do just fine and you can even use AIO like the EK nucleolus direct die. the problem is - IHS even lapped one are just another barrier for the heat to pass, the heat density is just too high to cool it with IHS on.
@@fwixgamer4796 Reason why i even said this is because i am using a H170i with contact frame and thermal grizzly 250c paste i didn't lap or direct die my cpu i stay below 90c full load @5.8ghzPcores 4.7Ghz E-cores If i do direct die i will for sure be going over 400w with higher overclocks i am good
Update to the crashing 13th and 14th gen CPUs. I got both my 13900K and 14900KS chips running great on 360mm AIOs. Following Intel's advice and using some of their settings and some of my own, I'm running my 14900KS just fine except for another problem that nobody's talking about. I'm talking COD games and Blizzard. I set my CPU up to where its running at 5.9 to 6.0 on 8 P-Cores and 38 on the E-Cores because really don't need them for gaming, but still want them to run background things so didn't disable them. what I found is that Blizzard software will analyze your system settings when you try to boot up into a COD game and if it thinks your set up is not going to run the game you will get Direct Issue crashes over and over. Even though temps are perfect it might crash your game. What I did was rebooted into bios. Reset everything to stock and then went back and loaded up COD and it let me in the game because it accepted my stock settings. The Blizzard Software will remember that you successfully got into the game so that's when you go back into the bios and crank everything back up to where you want them. I'm talking about on the cutting edge. and then go back and boot into COD. It doesn't notice the change and will let you boot up your games. but it you crash due to high temps or an unstable overclock you will have to go back into bios and reset everything again to get back into the game. Just do it once and then you can start overclocking it again. I did it many times to figure it out and it works. I'm boosting to 6.2 gigs on several cores with a Kraken 360 mm radiator and temperatures are not exceeding 85C and that's only for a second or two then it comes back down. Note, I cannot run Cinebench and get all the way through but can run all COD games with no problem. Just don't push it too high and don't run all core. Run your cores by usage only. 6.1 6.0 6.0 5.9 etc. I have all the bios settings I use if anybody wants them that has a 14900KS or regular 14900K.
Cache and v core are not equal. Tune the all core sync/ optimism slider and manually entered cooler score until under voltage protection engages w cache down bin. Then set max cache to this value without the undervolt protection. Then undervolt the higher core ratios till you reach best core ratio . Using v/ f set points 7-12
My man, the more I've been watching alot of these TH-camrs the more I see most of them are just frontin! They can't even keep it straight up from one episode to another. They must have some of these kids running out to buy what they're saying on one episode is the latest in greatest and then a few episodes later talkin shit about the same product they just pushed a like 5/6 episodes back. I never seen anything like it No pride whatsoever in what they're doin to consumer! It's so obvious a blind person can see this shit that they're sayin just whatever for that dollar coming in at the moment💩 Thanks alot for what you do and bein who you are. I'm glad I found your channel Where I know you say what you mean and stick by it!
If I understood correctly, the thermal limits that Intel CPUs apply to 14900 are not working properly ... If they were , they will stop it from crashing ... Right ? Intel has gone nuts with voltage last couple of generations .
I had a Thermalright Frozen Edge 360; cost $65 CAD. After having their Phantom Spirit 120 and seeing it destroy or be equal to a lot of 360 AIO's, I had to try it. Was very satisfied for a sub-$70 360mm AIO I have a P3 case so swapped it for a Liquid Freezer II 420, but overall highly recommend anything Thermalright
To gain 10°C, you need to buy a water cooling system with 3 fans and a 240 radiator. You buy 3 additional fans and you will attach them above the radiator. These fans should bring fresh air directly onto the radiator from above. The other fans need to be reversed and set to exhaust the heat inside the machine. This will significantly increase the airflow, making the cooling more effective. The hot air sent inside the machine should be extracted by the front fans of the case towards the outside. With this method, I gained 10°C with a 120 water cooling system with 2 fans originally on my 9900X which went up to 97°C overclocked to 4700. It dropped to 87°C under heavy use and to 70°C in-game. Try this :)
SuperCool Direct Die with a Hardware Labs GTR 360 rad (HwL GTR series is the highest performance rad in the industry) with at least 3x Phanteks T30 fans, if not 6x (push/pull). With that setup, I've seen 14900K, not even KS, run Cinebench stable at 6.1 (or 6.2, can't remember) GHz all-core, e-cores OC'd high too, and with p-cores only in the 80-85 degree mark.
Great channel bought built my first pc after watching your videos a few months ago :) Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 keeps my AMD Ryzen 7 7700X @5,75GHZ under 75 celsius without making much noise/no crazy power draw ;o
had an issue with my i9 14900k with a asus board. It would boost that thing to the MAX. constant thoteling and would heat up my room so fast. Ended up undervolting it and dropping the clock speeds a bit. No more heating. maintains a temp around 80-90 c full load and only minimal performance drop
Useless CPU unless you put it under chiller or some exotic cooling. 14900K is far more manageable and shouldn't run unlimited power on that either. I have 14900K SP103+14900KF SP97 and 14900KS SP105 was the worst of them, throttling like crazy when power limited. Also required hefty voltage (+60mV) when compared all those chips at the same static clocks. Well, I like my Ryzen 7900 non-X 65W (actually ~88W)...
I've found r15 to be the tru cpu stability stress test; dunno why r23 workload seems so much more manageable and coolable compared to r23, but loads in 15 will cause a crash where 23 would run fine.
13th and 14th i9 users are having stability issues on stock settings. The issue seems to be caused by the silicon degrading over time. I guess pushing 250w plus on these chips will do that.
I have the frozen notte, and it works perfectly fine, I do have a frame on mine from DerBauer, but it is not delidded. I see some spikes into the 85 range, not overclocked at the moment, just seeing if this motherboard can handle the new addition.
I just recently got the 14900ks. It is definitely a spicy cpu,but not totally unmanageable! In my tuning thus far I've found that I can keep the temps under control, even with Asus MCE enabled, so long as I set power limits in accordance with Intel's Extreme Power Profile. So, amps limited to 400 and watts limited to 320. Im using Corsair's H170i LCD Link in a push/pull config with QX fans. I experience thermal throttling after hitting 350+ watts. But seem to be ok within the 320 watt limit.
Based on past videos, these chips “don’t scale past 5.1, 5.2ghz” so why run 6.0 I have upgraded from a 12th gen i9 to a 14th gen and turned it right down, disabled 1/2 the e cores. Now it uses no more than 150w and 80/90w in games. I tried, and you were right, very little difference as you turn the chip down….or up as you were doing in previous videos.
Thank you for these videos. I gotta say that once I bought my new PC last year after watching gazillion reviews, all my interest to hardware stuff faded, which is natural. But your videos are just fantastic and your measurement methods are very well thought out and put together. Maybe, if you want, you can increase your production value to attract new viewers and/or customers - but this is definitely top notch.
Here how you can solve the gif/jif issue once and for all: GIF stands for "Graphic Interchange Format", you say Graphic not Jraphic so GIF is spelled with G as in Gigabyte.
With the big GPU’s and thus bigger cases and also the enormous amount of cooling modern day CPU’s need I would really like to see 420mm aio’s compared. I feel like we’re at a point where 420mm should really be the go to for high end cpu’s
had a 14900ks couldnt even stay in the bios how unstable it was from 600 series board to 7. refunded that pos immediately 13600kf is just as good for 90% what people wanna do, wont bottle neck current GPUs the 5k series not counted as specs not available i dont think
You explained what the issue is way better than most articles I read about it. Am still on 12900KF but these issues kinda have me thinking of waiting to upgrade.
@@m8x425On the other hand, the Vega 56 was a steal for overclockers. With an HBM2 overclocking headroom of around 30% (via the V64 BIOS) and undervolting the core voltage to 1.07v, it would easily give a 20% performance boost, matching the 1080 at the cost of the 1070.
I have a Frozen Prism 360 by Thermal right and it works great. Thermalright makes some of the best price to performance coolers. The Thermal Assissan X120 is the best budget air cooler for 125 watt or less CPUs.
I installed my new 14900KS and Asus z790 Dark Hero few days ago. CPU has SP rating 109, P - SP 124 points and E - SP 81 points, MC - SP is 84 points. 7600MT/s seems doable on this Dark Hero motherboard (over 1 hour Karhu stable after one day tweaking). My goal is 8 hour Karhu stable. Maybe 7600MT/s isn't common for this motherboard? I've tweaked some primary, secondary and tertiary timings. I'm just torturing my AIO cooler some days before delidding CPU 😄
I'm planning on upgrading to i9-14900KS and Asus Z790 Dark Hero along with 96Gb 8000Mhz DDR5 (G.Skill Trident Z5). How does it work with high frequency DDR5 ? Is it stable ? I cannot find other people with such setup to ask.
@@Karm1kalHey, I am able to get my 2x24gb ram stable @7600mt/s. I had to put one fan blowing to ram sticks inside the case and another fan outside the case pointed ram/cpu back side. I could do a short video about my setup, I add link here if I do that video. If you use 4 dimm slots, my guess is there's no way to achieve high speed. 2x48 maybe, I don't know.. it becomes more challenging more ram you have I think. Of course your motherboard/cpu/ram have to support good ram speed too, all parts are individual with different speeds. 8000mt/s speed is meant mostly to 2 dimm slot motherboard. I tried 7800mt/s but got error in few seconds, so I gave up that speed right away. I had to adjust a lot of voltages to get that 7600mt/s stable, so it's not easy just plug and play
I always undervolt / optimize my voltages. 13700k at 5.3Ghz (stock boosts 2 cores to 5.4Ghz for an extra 0.060mv...). Thing sits at 80C on a 240mm Arctic Liquid Freezer at 70% fan speed in Cinebench.
Still too high. My 13700KF (also got a 13900KS/14900KS) sits at max 69C at 282 watts 5.8ghz all core 280mm aio. 1.4v 5.8p core 4.4 e core. 40% fan speed, 2 noctua 140mm 3000rpm fans, corsair H115I. No undervolt or any BS on the contrary a full OC. Your doing something wrong buddy or that weeny 240 aint doing shit or you got a shit chip. Get a bigger 320 or a 280. Or go amd😂
@@griffin1366 probably bro just dont worry about it and use it, physical shit are expendable dont worry too much about it enjoy your chip, try and get a 280 or a 360, get the thermalright 360 frozenprism, cheap and pretty good at cooling the 13700kf
@@550F21CEMO Tried some overclocking again yesterday. Even with eCores disabled I couldn't get 5.5Ghz stable without needing 1.38V. Not worth it in the slightest. It is what it is. You win some you lose some. Lost my 9700k as well. Won the 3770k though, got that to 4.9Ghz.
Someone needs to invent dice cooler with auto loader and auto mixer with little pump for aceton to cool this thing :) If dice would be enough, LN2 is not practical for every day usage :)
Literally why Intel made delidding them still within warrenty, Intel needs to stop pushing these chips just to barely compete with AMD. Gelsinger needs to start thinking outside of the box and not rely on power pushing.
im looking to build a new PC soon but i dont want to build a heater for the bedroom either, maybe i should go one step down from 14900k? worst case scenerio i could delid i guess
@@radugrigoras hmm excellent point, there's no good info on youtube now, back in 2019 was the last time i built a PC, now that i plan on building another one soon, im having real trouble finding good info on the new parts that are on the market
This is the video I need, this things run sooo hot. Can't even launch dragons dogma and recompile shaders without hitting 100c. Have lowered my max to 90c by lowering my wattage to 200 though. Can't seem to control volts with my msi b760 tomahawk. Just has a offset for pcm or cpu + or - on each. Thinking I need to change it for a z790 and upgrade from my h100i capelix elite cooler, please let me know what you think. I'm used to my old 6900k with x99deluxe mobo, never got anywhere near these temps
The only AIO that has a chance is the EK Nucleus CR360 direct die, and that is unlikely to stand a long term test at full load. Even a custom loop will struggle, but my recently bought MoRa 420 with 4 x 200mm fans *will* cool it as water temperature is only 3C above ambient 🙂 Limit is then the DD waterblock.
To keep my 14900k under control I'm using an Artic liquid freezer II 420 with 6 fans. In 4 months i never faced any crash with all power limits unlocked. 💪💪🤞🤞🤞
Thats a 14900K brother not a KS, I’ve got a 13900KS and an inferno of a 14900KS at 401 watts thats un fucking coolable. I tried all coolers. Ordered direct die yesterday. Be glad you got the K not the KS. Even my 4090FE stays cool at 582 watts max load 8K no RT on dragons dogma 2 (4K + maxed render resolution) cpu hits 101C at times at 5.91ghz and thats with a 420mm aio 6.2 is a pipe dream without direct die/liquid metal. Get a KS and lets see you unlock all power limits 😂😂😂😂😂
@@550F21CEMO I'm glad I didn't buy a KS. Cause a K model is already difficult to cool down without delidding. That's why I dind't plan to buy a 14900KS. Why you bought it ? Just to flex ?
@@Bulzack so i bought it to flex?, no bro i bought it to use it. im just telling you im glad you went for the K not the KS brother, its not a flex the KS is as useless as a paperweight without any high end cooling. rather get a 14900K. the 14900K however difficult it may be to cool, its easier to cool than this POS KS. im just telling you this so you appreciate your 14900K. im an idiot for buying one anyway, i should have gotten the 14900K. infact im jealous of you bro, i cant even unlock the full turbo limits let alone OC without hitting the 100c temps, its horrible, i've seen it hit 117c for a micro second without shut down i hope i didnt damage it. considering i turn off thermal shutdown and all protections on all my cpus
Intel pushed the cpu 200Mhz too far. Downclock and save 50% on the cooler and no downthrottle. Even the CEP limit can be triggered causing havoc, Msi waited 1year+ to disable the CEP correctly for 14th gen. I'm on the 9th bios on Msi 790i Edge on a 500usd motherboard and have never got the same performance for 2 days straight on the MOST expensive system I've ever put together.. z790i Edge 14900k and 4080rtx, one day Pubg ok, next f'n sucks. You never now had windows are loading up you cores. 1 core 80% rest 40%, it lags because 1 core is maxed out. Not to mention the F 'n core parking in windows, you're game demand more performance and the whole game lags while an uncparked core is spooled up. The network system thread is put on on a parked core, your'e f'n dead in game. Its like playing on 100ms server. Windows sucks on hybrid CPUs. Damn, 30k pc and i've given up been giving me the same performance one day to the next. And yes ram is stable at 7800Mhz through Karhu, memtest and all the others.. The Msi bios is plagued by bugs if you use the advanced features like V/f curves, partly hyperthreading etc, use some ecores. The ram latency explodes if you use more than 4 ecores. Why arent noone talking about this major downside with hybrid cpu. OK, you think Amd is better think again.. Going to 2nd. ccx the latency is insane so you cant play Pubg on that activated. On my expensive Msi board you never know if the bios does its own thing or respects youre settings. The Pch chip overheats so badly that the usb cuts out, great! WTF msi? The latest 9th bios that somewhat works is still in beta version after all this time, and somehow this is acceptable on a 500usd board?
If yer running AMD, you'd either be using the 7800X3D (no second CCD to deal with)..or just using Process Lasso to run the games on the 3D V-Cache CCD of the 7950X3D (all other processes on regular CCD). Suppose you could see if Process Lasso helps with yer 14900K any or even see if the core parking in Windows 11 improves anything (assuming yer running Win 10). Maybe even disable the E cores for gaming-only usage?
yeah they do give better temps but most mid towers can't fit them. For reference on how much better pretty sure GN has a vid on the freezer ii 360mm and compares it to the 420mm rad. just snagged a liquid freezer iii 420 (non rgb) for 90-100 usd. last gen worked great, i had no problem cooling an all core oc 12/13th/14th gen in my experience. their customer service is great too
Not true / thermal compound vs Liquid Metal or soldering / the compound is under your integrated heat spreader when you chip jumps to 95c + it’s due to that
Have you tried the direct die EK Aio im debating in refunding mine as recent news has me worried it'll not make it through lol but its first durect die id be willing to try the 14900K even delidded liquid metaled and copper topped still has 20c+ difference between some P Cores.
Just fine tune the Intel, then it is the best CPU monster out there. People just plug a cooler on a CPU with stock settings BIOS and then say it is running hot. So amateuristic. Learn your BIOS options, become professional, then you notice the 14900KS is the nicest jewel in the world to have. I myself have a 13700K and it is such a great CPU, not taking much energy, nor becoming very hot. Because I know BIOS options very well.
but is it okey to have the voltage at 1.47V under these loads? I have a 14 900K too and sadly its crashing in unreal enginge games like fortnite tremendously but yeah the voltage questions interests me a lot, thanks for your video and would appreciate an answer for sure if you find the time!
I'm not a fan of the Artic LF III, loved the LF II though... I kinda wish I didn't sell my DeepCool LT 720 for it, that thing minus the extra RGB cable, claims 300W TDP and kept it about 2-5C more cool than this. I think it's for the contact frame though rather than the actual cooler
yeah getting a good Mount with it can be annoying (over tightened to where pc won't post is very ez to do too)compared to a the normal aftermarket contact frame but im sure Arctic will improve this tho
@@FIVESTRZ i was literally gunna mention that and forgot. Wouldn't surprise me if they did as they did before last gen with a defect they found and told GN and probably others i just know they made GN aware for a fact to get the word out so people would know, then sent everyone affected the new upgraded model and also with i think Rev 3 of the freezer ii upgraded/compatibility issueswith am4 and 12th gen brackets/back plate they'd send you for free. They're customer service has been great in my experience.
I just don't see anyway around if you want the advertise speed and proper thermal with no thermal throttling on that cpu the only way seems to be thought direct die colling on a costume loop.
I was debating selling my 10900k and Maximus Hero setup for either a 14900k or 13900k and Maximus Hero. However, between the errors happening in 13th gen and these hellscape like temps also present in 14th gen, I think I'll wait for my original plan when I bought the 4090 back at launch, and just go 5090 and 15th Gen with a Z890 Maximus Hero and top tier DDR5 since its now been out for a bit. I'll swap My 4090 for a 5090 later this year and then wait for that 15th gen for my 10900k Upgrade. I got a PG32UQX, so I'm not overly worried about the CPU since I'm in 4k, but I do want the best 1% lows I can get, and the better desktop experience is always nice! Edit: My 10900k @ 5.2ghz all core does still slay though..
Y'all have FOMO like a cancer. Cool, talk yourself into +28fps for (another) $3k. I mean, it's not like you could've done something like getting off your thumbs for that same cost or anything... Oh? You need to be an alpha that badly, eh Chad? And since I'm sure there's a plethora of sheep that'll want to call me a hater or "too broke", no... I'm just a realist with a better grasp of perspective about how my earnings are spent than mindlessly "needing" every... Last... Upgrade.
got the MSI godlike z790/14900KS with a 420 aio, its a fucking inferno… damn. Even my 13900KS is cooler on a 320, my 13700KF is the coolest on a 280, damn
#FrameChasers - Given how important this issue is across the nation at this time, PLEASE include time stamps, especially for the conclusion at the end of the video. - You should make this available to us on all your videos. - Please make sure to tell us very very clearly which one you suggest, since we honestly need advice and help. Thank you.
cumsoomer, needs to have all the choices still be taken for them even after seeing all the data can blame anyone else if something turns to be a bad product tho
The best cooler for the 14900KS is actually the Corsair iCUE H150i Elite CAPELLIX XT. It’s a very powerful cooler that will keep the temperatures under control. The fans are extremely quiet as well. Also if you’re gonna use that cooler, you might as well swap the RGB fans in your case, and just turn your PC into a whole Corsair theme build. The Corsair fans will give your whole PC case good airflow. That’s what a power hungry CPU like that needs!
I can vouch for the Galahad 2 trinity performance. I have it on my 14900KS and it peaks at 68C at 253W and 78C at 320W. I use 6x Lian li p28s in push/pull at 1500 rpm. No delid, no custom loop. Run around 50-55C in warzone at 59p/46e/50r.
@@meow6023 Sound supper for me I will looking to buy it. Do You have any problem with the pump? I saw in internet the people complain from the pump. How long time U use the cooler? And which revision U have? There is the new revison with new type of pump
I understand your video but come on really cini bench is a stress test ment to push cpus to there max when your playing games the games dont hit ur cpu as hard it all depends on what the person buying the cpu is doing with it test it again but just with games or rendering videos or some other work stuff and there will be a difference in the temperatures
Intel did a crap CPU like this back in the Pentium era when they try to beat an AMD CPU having better clocks and performance. Intel is a big piece of crap company, thy always was.
Roman from Der8auer tried his own Mycro Direct Die block on the 14900KS with liquid metal and it was performing really well
But did it throttle?
@@PointingLasersAtAircraft no but whats to note is that one core did hit mid 90s. i assume though that was a bad mount
Derbauers direct die performance was incredible. He had it fully unleashed at 6GHz and it was like 60c full load. I've never seen performance like that. Was at 1.525v. and only costs 140 for the RGB version.
@@nichronos yea I believe it's the equivalent of three 360mm rads which is what I'm running triple rads.
I think you missed the plot. This video is about AIO cooling specifically. Custom loop is obviously going to be better
buy a 14900ks and then turn it into the cheaper 14900k so you can use it. Great product!
Buys AMD. CPU Dips and Stutters like Shlt. Great Product 🤔
@@NBWDOUGHBOY Not a problem on X3D CPUs.
@@arigasanks Yes it is. Its still MCM Design.
@@arigasanks Yes it is
That wasn't the context of what he did. I think it was pretty clear from the start a 360 AIO was not up to the ks.
My i9 13900k dropped 20c in Cinebench(stock) with a Aric Freezer III 420mm AIO and a KtyoSheet. The upgrade was because the rig was too loud on the desktop with an EK 360mm AIO. It never crashed and temps in games were fine.
My other i9 13900k rig did do the game crashing thing but I was using a Silverstone 360mm AIO. I replaced the Silverstone with a EK 360mm and no more crashing. This build is under a desk so it will not get the 420mm upgrade.
The down side to the 420mm is that it did not fit in any of my mid tower cases so I bought an Lian Li 011 EVO XL. The XL is fantastic but pricy.
I love the way you interact with your cat. I had a cat too he was a Good boy as well.
Those are caseless test though, you need to put them in a case to get true consumer numbers
Using the contact frame with an AIO on 13900K at 5.5GHZ "auto", my temps never go over 80C. So the stock ILM is garbage.
Funny, I just picked up a Mystique 360 and a 14900KS paired with the Z790 APEX and some DDR5 8000 ram. Took a little while, and some tuning, but I set an all core 5.9ghz, and a power cap on the short and long term duration to 275w. Games have been running great, even the ones that hit the shader comp hard. Before the cap, I was not crashing but I saw 340W of package power at 101c. INSANE. As far as the upload issue, I believe this issue is currently being worked on, keep an eye out for an update on the software!
Imagine if MOBO's weren't so aggressive, or if Intel had some more enforcement on bioses that shipped. They would save themselves so much face... But much like Radeon, Intel doesn't seem to care about scoring easy wins.
I actually have the same exact set up. Had a 13900K in the Z790 Apex with G Skill 8,000 ram with a Kraken Elite 360 cooler in push pull. The 14900KS was running fine how I had it set up for about 3 days then everything went to shit. Direct X crashes, blue screens, then the system wouldn't even let me boot into windows, even after I cleared the CMOS many times. I even downclocked my Ram at one point thinking it was the culprit. Then I tried to reset the system to an earlier set point, and it would still crash. In the end I think I must have corrupted some files trying to get it to boot and it would just hard crash and go Straite to bios and crash trying to get to windows. I eventually had to buy a new hard drive and download windows from the cloud and put my 13900K back in. I tried so many variations of bios settings, even downclocking the CPU to 5.6 5.7, but I had already screwed something up and it wouldn't run it. I might play with it again, but only if I water block it and go that route. No point even having it if you can't run it around 6.0ghz. How it ran for 3 days before it started crashing is a mystery to me also. I was actually running it on AI Overclock settings with all limits removed and some other settings raised higher to keep it from tripping. But it failed with Direct X crashes first, then blue screens and no boot to windows at all so I had to give up. I would love to get it running eventually because I spent the money on it. I really need to go ahead and start water cooling my stuff but just haven't gotten into that yet. Glad you got it working though, because not too many people have got it stable enough to run it.
That is wild! AI OC has a tendencay to blast voltages to an unsafe level. Did you happen to see what your VCORE max was during that time? I have seen some overclocks, especially memory cause windows corruption to the point of needing a reinstall, but thats pretty rare.
@@-Highlander-42lol since when he got free stuff?
In Europe Arctic Freezer 360 is on sale on their website for EUR 76,15 (non RGB) and the Thermalright is EUR 73. So I would probably just choose arctic :/
Can it compete?
That frozen notte at 60$ is a killer deal, that leaves you lotsa money to replace the fans with some nice noctuas and still be under the price of the Arctic. Plus maybe get some PTM7950 on there instead of paste.
With all due respect a 420m-AIO is the only solution for these chips regardless of brand.
Anything else is a waste of time.
No, not really. A 420mm AIO will give you 2% more performance running Cinebench loops over just a single tower aircooler. Unless you are running benchmarks, overkill cooling is useless, since CPUs don't gain much performance no matter how much you keep cranking up voltages and power draw. I've been scoring 41500 in CBR23 on a 13900k and a single tower air cooler @ 85c no problem.
@@KiSs0fd3aTh Bro I'm talking locked cores not Boosting.
Boosting cores will have a curve to follow locked cores don't.
I'm running 5.8Ghz all core 4.7ghz E-cores with a 420m corsair H170i and contact frame max wattage 370w scoring well over 42k
No thermal throttle 87c at best with 7600mhz ram 14900k my 13900k does much better at that speed crazy how that happens
@@tommypearson9260 single rad 360 with good fans push pull can cool up to 1.2k of heat in a 22° room temperature , the problem is the IHS contact not the watercooler , bigger rad can help in a hot room like 35° if you don't have AC on in a hot country like Morocco , but in the case of modern cpus just put a direct waterblock with liquid metal and litlle bit of sanding for the die and you can get 70 ° with 140m rad push pull vs a 420mm rad :d
not going to change much, if you want to cool this CPU, only direct die is the solution, 360 rad will do just fine and you can even use AIO like the EK nucleolus direct die. the problem is - IHS even lapped one are just another barrier for the heat to pass, the heat density is just too high to cool it with IHS on.
@@fwixgamer4796 Reason why i even said this is because i am using a H170i with contact frame and thermal grizzly 250c paste i didn't lap or direct die my cpu i stay below 90c full load @5.8ghzPcores 4.7Ghz E-cores If i do direct die i will for sure be going over 400w with higher overclocks i am good
Update to the crashing 13th and 14th gen CPUs. I got both my 13900K and 14900KS chips running great on 360mm AIOs. Following Intel's advice and using some of their settings and some of my own, I'm running my 14900KS just fine except for another problem that nobody's talking about. I'm talking COD games and Blizzard. I set my CPU up to where its running at 5.9 to 6.0 on 8 P-Cores and 38 on the E-Cores because really don't need them for gaming, but still want them to run background things so didn't disable them. what I found is that Blizzard software will analyze your system settings when you try to boot up into a COD game and if it thinks your set up is not going to run the game you will get Direct Issue crashes over and over. Even though temps are perfect it might crash your game. What I did was rebooted into bios. Reset everything to stock and then went back and loaded up COD and it let me in the game because it accepted my stock settings. The Blizzard Software will remember that you successfully got into the game so that's when you go back into the bios and crank everything back up to where you want them. I'm talking about on the cutting edge. and then go back and boot into COD. It doesn't notice the change and will let you boot up your games. but it you crash due to high temps or an unstable overclock you will have to go back into bios and reset everything again to get back into the game. Just do it once and then you can start overclocking it again. I did it many times to figure it out and it works. I'm boosting to 6.2 gigs on several cores with a Kraken 360 mm radiator and temperatures are not exceeding 85C and that's only for a second or two then it comes back down. Note, I cannot run Cinebench and get all the way through but can run all COD games with no problem. Just don't push it too high and don't run all core. Run your cores by usage only. 6.1 6.0 6.0 5.9 etc. I have all the bios settings I use if anybody wants them that has a 14900KS or regular 14900K.
Cache and v core are not equal. Tune the all core sync/ optimism slider and manually entered cooler score until under voltage protection engages w cache down bin. Then set max cache to this value without the undervolt protection. Then undervolt the higher core ratios till you reach best core ratio . Using v/ f set points 7-12
My man, the more I've been watching alot of these TH-camrs the more I see most of them are just frontin! They can't even keep it straight up from one episode to another. They must have some of these kids running out to buy what they're saying on one episode is the latest in greatest and then a few episodes later talkin shit about the same product they just pushed a like 5/6 episodes back. I never seen anything like it No pride whatsoever in what they're doin to consumer! It's so obvious a blind person can see this shit that they're sayin just whatever for that dollar coming in at the moment💩
Thanks alot for what you do and bein who you are. I'm glad I found your channel Where I know you say what you mean and stick by it!
So I guess the AMD dip is not so bad after all
Well fuck. You just explained what's going on with my Arctic Freezer II 280 and 13600K.
yeah even with a delid this thing sucks dude, 13700k and 280 as well. I had to turn off HT as games dont like it anyways.
Man my Arctic LFII 280 works wonder on my 7800x3d sucks to know it's bad on Intel
If I understood correctly, the thermal limits that Intel CPUs apply to 14900 are not working properly ... If they were , they will stop it from crashing ... Right ?
Intel has gone nuts with voltage last couple of generations .
I’ve cooled my 13900ks with 280/360 LiquidFreezer II. No problems. Edit i used to play WZ too at the time without issues.
I had a Thermalright Frozen Edge 360; cost $65 CAD. After having their Phantom Spirit 120 and seeing it destroy or be equal to a lot of 360 AIO's, I had to try it. Was very satisfied for a sub-$70 360mm AIO
I have a P3 case so swapped it for a Liquid Freezer II 420, but overall highly recommend anything Thermalright
To gain 10°C, you need to buy a water cooling system with 3 fans and a 240 radiator. You buy 3 additional fans and you will attach them above the radiator. These fans should bring fresh air directly onto the radiator from above. The other fans need to be reversed and set to exhaust the heat inside the machine. This will significantly increase the airflow, making the cooling more effective. The hot air sent inside the machine should be extracted by the front fans of the case towards the outside. With this method, I gained 10°C with a 120 water cooling system with 2 fans originally on my 9900X which went up to 97°C overclocked to 4700. It dropped to 87°C under heavy use and to 70°C in-game. Try this :)
SuperCool Direct Die with a Hardware Labs GTR 360 rad (HwL GTR series is the highest performance rad in the industry) with at least 3x Phanteks T30 fans, if not 6x (push/pull). With that setup, I've seen 14900K, not even KS, run Cinebench stable at 6.1 (or 6.2, can't remember) GHz all-core, e-cores OC'd high too, and with p-cores only in the 80-85 degree mark.
Great channel bought built my first pc after watching your videos a few months ago :)
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 keeps my AMD Ryzen 7 7700X @5,75GHZ under 75 celsius without making much noise/no crazy power draw ;o
had an issue with my i9 14900k with a asus board. It would boost that thing to the MAX. constant thoteling and would heat up my room so fast. Ended up undervolting it and dropping the clock speeds a bit. No more heating. maintains a temp around 80-90 c full load and only minimal performance drop
BRo that beard looks incredible gg
Useless CPU unless you put it under chiller or some exotic cooling. 14900K is far more manageable and shouldn't run unlimited power on that either. I have 14900K SP103+14900KF SP97 and 14900KS SP105 was the worst of them, throttling like crazy when power limited. Also required hefty voltage (+60mV) when compared all those chips at the same static clocks. Well, I like my Ryzen 7900 non-X 65W (actually ~88W)...
I've found r15 to be the tru cpu stability stress test; dunno why r23 workload seems so much more manageable and coolable compared to r23, but loads in 15 will cause a crash where 23 would run fine.
Yes I've done plenty of testing and r15 is definitely the hardest on the cpu in fact I mentioned it in one of my videos 👍
he knows his shit
13th and 14th i9 users are having stability issues on stock settings. The issue seems to be caused by the silicon degrading over time. I guess pushing 250w plus on these chips will do that.
I have the frozen notte, and it works perfectly fine, I do have a frame on mine from DerBauer, but it is not delidded. I see some spikes into the 85 range, not overclocked at the moment, just seeing if this motherboard can handle the new addition.
I like how he let them run for 33 mins. That’s a great 👍 number. See yall at the lodge
🤣
@@HankBaxter At least your aware and intelligent enough to understand what 33 and Lodge are referring to, most dont get it
deepcool silently released the ld360 aio that is a budget version of the mystique with the same pump.
Wish you threw the EK Nucleus Lux/Dark/White 360 into the mix.
I was gonna write the same stuff :)
Just tell me which bundle we need to buy 😂😂😂
I just recently got the 14900ks. It is definitely a spicy cpu,but not totally unmanageable! In my tuning thus far I've found that I can keep the temps under control, even with Asus MCE enabled, so long as I set power limits in accordance with Intel's Extreme Power Profile. So, amps limited to 400 and watts limited to 320. Im using Corsair's H170i LCD Link in a push/pull config with QX fans. I experience thermal throttling after hitting 350+ watts. But seem to be ok within the 320 watt limit.
Based on past videos, these chips “don’t scale past 5.1, 5.2ghz” so why run 6.0
I have upgraded from a 12th gen i9 to a 14th gen and turned it right down, disabled 1/2 the e cores. Now it uses no more than 150w and 80/90w in games.
I tried, and you were right, very little difference as you turn the chip down….or up as you were doing in previous videos.
pretty much agree the only real difference I see between 12 and 14 is efficiency, you can get 140-150w on 149 for 5.2ghz while 185ish w on my 12900K
Thank you for these videos. I gotta say that once I bought my new PC last year after watching gazillion reviews, all my interest to hardware stuff faded, which is natural. But your videos are just fantastic and your measurement methods are very well thought out and put together. Maybe, if you want, you can increase your production value to attract new viewers and/or customers - but this is definitely top notch.
Here how you can solve the gif/jif issue once and for all: GIF stands for "Graphic Interchange Format", you say Graphic not Jraphic so GIF is spelled with G as in Gigabyte.
11:38 that snap back to business voice haha
With the big GPU’s and thus bigger cases and also the enormous amount of cooling modern day CPU’s need I would really like to see 420mm aio’s compared. I feel like we’re at a point where 420mm should really be the go to for high end cpu’s
@framechasers, did you test the AIO's 100% out-of-the-box default settings, or did you configure a fan and pump curve?
had a 14900ks couldnt even stay in the bios how unstable it was from 600 series board to 7. refunded that pos immediately 13600kf is just as good for 90% what people wanna do, wont bottle neck current GPUs the 5k series not counted as specs not available i dont think
You explained what the issue is way better than most articles I read about it. Am still on 12900KF but these issues kinda have me thinking of waiting to upgrade.
It reminds me RX Vega 56 & 64. Both were overclocked out of the box with too high voltage because they had to compete against 1080.
ahhh, old Vega. Those needed to be undervolted out of the box, and I feel sorry for anyone that got one of those that had a low quality chip.
@@m8x425On the other hand, the Vega 56 was a steal for overclockers. With an HBM2 overclocking headroom of around 30% (via the V64 BIOS) and undervolting the core voltage to 1.07v, it would easily give a 20% performance boost, matching the 1080 at the cost of the 1070.
How about you start talking about i9 stability issues? 🤡🤡🤡
He wont, doesnt fit his narrative of "intel makes the fastest gaming cpu's"😂
I have a Frozen Prism 360 by Thermal right and it works great. Thermalright makes some of the best price to performance coolers. The Thermal Assissan X120 is the best budget air cooler for 125 watt or less CPUs.
Just use a custom loop and a good cooler like Heatkiller Series from Watercool. Who cares about AIOs
The Fans on the Freezer 3 are holding it back
I installed my new 14900KS and Asus z790 Dark Hero few days ago. CPU has SP rating 109, P - SP 124 points and E - SP 81 points, MC - SP is 84 points.
7600MT/s seems doable on this Dark Hero motherboard (over 1 hour Karhu stable after one day tweaking). My goal is 8 hour Karhu stable.
Maybe 7600MT/s isn't common for this motherboard?
I've tweaked some primary, secondary and tertiary timings.
I'm just torturing my AIO cooler some days before delidding CPU 😄
I'm planning on upgrading to i9-14900KS and Asus Z790 Dark Hero along with 96Gb 8000Mhz DDR5 (G.Skill Trident Z5). How does it work with high frequency DDR5 ? Is it stable ? I cannot find other people with such setup to ask.
@@Karm1kalHey, I am able to get my 2x24gb ram stable @7600mt/s. I had to put one fan blowing to ram sticks inside the case and another fan outside the case pointed ram/cpu back side. I could do a short video about my setup, I add link here if I do that video. If you use 4 dimm slots, my guess is there's no way to achieve high speed. 2x48 maybe, I don't know.. it becomes more challenging more ram you have I think. Of course your motherboard/cpu/ram have to support good ram speed too, all parts are individual with different speeds. 8000mt/s speed is meant mostly to 2 dimm slot motherboard. I tried 7800mt/s but got error in few seconds, so I gave up that speed right away. I had to adjust a lot of voltages to get that 7600mt/s stable, so it's not easy just plug and play
@@crono7990 I see - thank you for the reply! :)
I always undervolt / optimize my voltages. 13700k at 5.3Ghz (stock boosts 2 cores to 5.4Ghz for an extra 0.060mv...). Thing sits at 80C on a 240mm Arctic Liquid Freezer at 70% fan speed in Cinebench.
Still too high. My 13700KF (also got a 13900KS/14900KS) sits at max 69C at 282 watts 5.8ghz all core 280mm aio. 1.4v 5.8p core 4.4 e core. 40% fan speed, 2 noctua 140mm 3000rpm fans, corsair H115I. No undervolt or any BS on the contrary a full OC. Your doing something wrong buddy or that weeny 240 aint doing shit or you got a shit chip. Get a bigger 320 or a 280. Or go amd😂
@@550F21CEMO Ambient temp is 24-30C. Knowing my luck, I probably got a bad one. My old 9700k wasn't even stable at 5Ghz...
@@griffin1366 probably bro just dont worry about it and use it, physical shit are expendable dont worry too much about it enjoy your chip, try and get a 280 or a 360, get the thermalright 360 frozenprism, cheap and pretty good at cooling the 13700kf
@@550F21CEMO Tried some overclocking again yesterday. Even with eCores disabled I couldn't get 5.5Ghz stable without needing 1.38V. Not worth it in the slightest.
It is what it is. You win some you lose some. Lost my 9700k as well. Won the 3770k though, got that to 4.9Ghz.
Just recieved the Mystique 360 for $140 shipped from Ebay thanks to US sanctions 😅
I am so happy to see @11:48 the real host appears. Here is Kitty.
I burnt a KS already and on a LARGE rad, it no longer boots and crashes on stock bios
Thanks for content!
if you lap it, wouldn't that create gaps in between your IHS and cold plate?
Liquid metal no lap would be more effective, and you don't have to replace it until your cooler dies.
No RGB fans is a positive if you ask me.
Someone needs to invent dice cooler with auto loader and auto mixer with little pump for aceton to cool this thing :) If dice would be enough, LN2 is not practical for every day usage :)
Shouldn't you show how to cool the bad boy? How about your custom water cooling setup? Does it cool it enough?
The Frozen Notte for $60 is my choice. Cheap and does the job. Might change out one of my systems from air cool to it. Thanks!
Kitty at the end is always based!!
Literally why Intel made delidding them still within warrenty, Intel needs to stop pushing these chips just to barely compete with AMD. Gelsinger needs to start thinking outside of the box and not rely on power pushing.
im looking to build a new PC soon but i dont want to build a heater for the bedroom either, maybe i should go one step down from 14900k? worst case scenerio i could delid i guess
I have a 12900KS at work that's not fiery like my 13900K at home.
Could always undervolt/underclock
Deliding won’t really change the heat output into your room. Just how efficiently it gets there
@@radugrigoras hmm excellent point, there's no good info on youtube now, back in 2019 was the last time i built a PC, now that i plan on building another one soon, im having real trouble finding good info on the new parts that are on the market
@@chaniibak7702 I like that idea as well
Using the EKWB AIO 360 Basic + thermalright ILM, I get 83c max with r23 ( 30mins run) and this is with an ambient temp of 27-28c
Set your power to unlimited and then you are doing "real number testing". Not a real test if you limit it.
@@Multimeter1 I dont need the extra 200Mhz more, so no thank you. Asus already enables MCE by default.
can you please test lian li trinity perfomance ?
This is the video I need, this things run sooo hot. Can't even launch dragons dogma and recompile shaders without hitting 100c. Have lowered my max to 90c by lowering my wattage to 200 though. Can't seem to control volts with my msi b760 tomahawk. Just has a offset for pcm or cpu + or - on each. Thinking I need to change it for a z790 and upgrade from my h100i capelix elite cooler, please let me know what you think. I'm used to my old 6900k with x99deluxe mobo, never got anywhere near these temps
And here I am, a few weeks before doing that big jump from 9900k to 13900k.
I went from a 9900k to a 7800X3D+4090. It puts out so much less heat than the i9😂
13900K not so bad, just needs to be water cooled and undervolted
@@RadeonRX already have a 480 HeatKiller bought specifically for it. Thanks
How would you say the Freezer III compares to the II in terms of intermittent load spikes like the Overwatch menu and so on?
Great Review Jufes, really made my day keep up the great work.
The only AIO that has a chance is the EK Nucleus CR360 direct die, and that is unlikely to stand a long term test at full load. Even a custom loop will struggle, but my recently bought MoRa 420 with 4 x 200mm fans *will* cool it as water temperature is only 3C above ambient 🙂 Limit is then the DD waterblock.
I like this Video Format. AIO testing to chill the KS
To keep my 14900k under control I'm using an Artic liquid freezer II 420 with 6 fans. In 4 months i never faced any crash with all power limits unlocked. 💪💪🤞🤞🤞
Thats a 14900K brother not a KS, I’ve got a 13900KS and an inferno of a 14900KS at 401 watts thats un fucking coolable. I tried all coolers. Ordered direct die yesterday. Be glad you got the K not the KS. Even my 4090FE stays cool at 582 watts max load 8K no RT on dragons dogma 2 (4K + maxed render resolution) cpu hits 101C at times at 5.91ghz and thats with a 420mm aio 6.2 is a pipe dream without direct die/liquid metal. Get a KS and lets see you unlock all power limits 😂😂😂😂😂
@@550F21CEMO I'm glad I didn't buy a KS. Cause a K model is already difficult to cool down without delidding. That's why I dind't plan to buy a 14900KS. Why you bought it ? Just to flex ?
@@550F21CEMO That's why I didn't bought a KS just to flex. K model is already difficuly to cool down. Must be a nightmare without delidding.
@@Bulzack so i bought it to flex?, no bro i bought it to use it. im just telling you im glad you went for the K not the KS brother, its not a flex the KS is as useless as a paperweight without any high end cooling. rather get a 14900K. the 14900K however difficult it may be to cool, its easier to cool than this POS KS. im just telling you this so you appreciate your 14900K. im an idiot for buying one anyway, i should have gotten the 14900K. infact im jealous of you bro, i cant even unlock the full turbo limits let alone OC without hitting the 100c temps, its horrible, i've seen it hit 117c for a micro second without shut down i hope i didnt damage it. considering i turn off thermal shutdown and all protections on all my cpus
If you get this 14900KS CPU, you should also get an AIO with a 420 radiator. I have no problem using this AIO.
Intel pushed the cpu 200Mhz too far. Downclock and save 50% on the cooler and no downthrottle. Even the CEP limit can be triggered causing havoc, Msi waited 1year+ to disable the CEP correctly for 14th gen. I'm on the 9th bios on Msi 790i Edge on a 500usd motherboard and have never got the same performance for 2 days straight on the MOST expensive system I've ever put together.. z790i Edge 14900k and 4080rtx, one day Pubg ok, next f'n sucks. You never now had windows are loading up you cores. 1 core 80% rest 40%, it lags because 1 core is maxed out. Not to mention the F 'n core parking in windows, you're game demand more performance and the whole game lags while an uncparked core is spooled up. The network system thread is put on on a parked core, your'e f'n dead in game. Its like playing on 100ms server. Windows sucks on hybrid CPUs. Damn, 30k pc and i've given up been giving me the same performance one day to the next. And yes ram is stable at 7800Mhz through Karhu, memtest and all the others.. The Msi bios is plagued by bugs if you use the advanced features like V/f curves, partly hyperthreading etc, use some ecores. The ram latency explodes if you use more than 4 ecores. Why arent noone talking about this major downside with hybrid cpu. OK, you think Amd is better think again.. Going to 2nd. ccx the latency is insane so you cant play Pubg on that activated. On my expensive Msi board you never know if the bios does its own thing or respects youre settings. The Pch chip overheats so badly that the usb cuts out, great! WTF msi? The latest 9th bios that somewhat works is still in beta version after all this time, and somehow this is acceptable on a 500usd board?
If yer running AMD, you'd either be using the 7800X3D (no second CCD to deal with)..or just using Process Lasso to run the games on the 3D V-Cache CCD of the 7950X3D (all other processes on regular CCD). Suppose you could see if Process Lasso helps with yer 14900K any or even see if the core parking in Windows 11 improves anything (assuming yer running Win 10). Maybe even disable the E cores for gaming-only usage?
Can you test the lian li performance aio please 🙏🏻 ❤
Would a 420mm AIO perform any better?
yeah they do give better temps but most mid towers can't fit them. For reference on how much better pretty sure GN has a vid on the freezer ii 360mm and compares it to the 420mm rad. just snagged a liquid freezer iii 420 (non rgb) for 90-100 usd. last gen worked great, i had no problem cooling an all core oc 12/13th/14th gen in my experience. their customer service is great too
Not true / thermal compound vs Liquid Metal or soldering / the compound is under your integrated heat spreader when you chip jumps to 95c + it’s due to that
My original NITR0 logo is in my id pic
Some AIOs are tuned for Intel, pump direction matters too
Intel should bundle cpu with AC and ear plug tho ;)
The best 360 aio ?
Have you tried the direct die EK Aio im debating in refunding mine as recent news has me worried it'll not make it through lol but its first durect die id be willing to try the 14900K even delidded liquid metaled and copper topped still has 20c+ difference between some P Cores.
Just fine tune the Intel, then it is the best CPU monster out there. People just plug a cooler on a CPU with stock settings BIOS and then say it is running hot. So amateuristic. Learn your BIOS options, become professional, then you notice the 14900KS is the nicest jewel in the world to have.
I myself have a 13700K and it is such a great CPU, not taking much energy, nor becoming very hot. Because I know BIOS options very well.
but is it okey to have the voltage at 1.47V under these loads? I have a 14 900K too and sadly its crashing in unreal enginge games like fortnite tremendously but yeah the voltage questions interests me a lot, thanks for your video and would appreciate an answer for sure if you find the time!
I'm not a fan of the Artic LF III, loved the LF II though... I kinda wish I didn't sell my DeepCool LT 720 for it, that thing minus the extra RGB cable, claims 300W TDP and kept it about 2-5C more cool than this. I think it's for the contact frame though rather than the actual cooler
yeah getting a good Mount with it can be annoying (over tightened to where pc won't post is very ez to do too)compared to a the normal aftermarket contact frame but im sure Arctic will improve this tho
@@iDeparture hope they offer a free replacement when they do.
@@FIVESTRZ i was literally gunna mention that and forgot. Wouldn't surprise me if they did as they did before last gen with a defect they found and told GN and probably others i just know they made GN aware for a fact to get the word out so people would know, then sent everyone affected the new upgraded model and also with i think Rev 3 of the freezer ii upgraded/compatibility issueswith am4 and 12th gen brackets/back plate they'd send you for free. They're customer service has been great in my experience.
What about the Corsair ICUE LINK H150i LCD? Could it performance well?
I just don't see anyway around if you want the advertise speed and proper thermal with no thermal throttling on that cpu the only way seems to be thought direct die colling on a costume loop.
Best use for an RTX A2000 :3
I was debating selling my 10900k and Maximus Hero setup for either a 14900k or 13900k and Maximus Hero. However, between the errors happening in 13th gen and these hellscape like temps also present in 14th gen, I think I'll wait for my original plan when I bought the 4090 back at launch, and just go 5090 and 15th Gen with a Z890 Maximus Hero and top tier DDR5 since its now been out for a bit. I'll swap My 4090 for a 5090 later this year and then wait for that 15th gen for my 10900k Upgrade. I got a PG32UQX, so I'm not overly worried about the CPU since I'm in 4k, but I do want the best 1% lows I can get, and the better desktop experience is always nice!
Edit: My 10900k @ 5.2ghz all core does still slay though..
The 10900k is too strong for us, hella happy with my 10900k 5.3ghz and crazy ram overclock paired with a 4090 too good for the price
Comet Lake is the new Sandy Bridge
Y'all have FOMO like a cancer. Cool, talk yourself into +28fps for (another) $3k. I mean, it's not like you could've done something like getting off your thumbs for that same cost or anything... Oh? You need to be an alpha that badly, eh Chad? And since I'm sure there's a plethora of sheep that'll want to call me a hater or "too broke", no... I'm just a realist with a better grasp of perspective about how my earnings are spent than mindlessly "needing" every... Last... Upgrade.
@@RAW_Reality get some money lil guy
@@tomorpedreiro3032 Learn to read.
I been running a i9 12900k with some crashing issues
Get AMD
19:47 So cute, Lila right?
Hair is looking good again broski
got the MSI godlike z790/14900KS with a 420 aio, its a fucking inferno… damn. Even my 13900KS is cooler on a 320, my 13700KF is the coolest on a 280, damn
#FrameChasers - Given how important this issue is across the nation at this time, PLEASE include time stamps, especially for the conclusion at the end of the video. - You should make this available to us on all your videos. - Please make sure to tell us very very clearly which one you suggest, since we honestly need advice and help. Thank you.
cumsoomer, needs to have all the choices still be taken for them even after seeing all the data
can blame anyone else if something turns to be a bad product tho
AMDip, Intelcrash?
The best cooler for the 14900KS is actually the Corsair iCUE H150i Elite CAPELLIX XT. It’s a very powerful cooler that will keep the temperatures under control. The fans are extremely quiet as well. Also if you’re gonna use that cooler, you might as well swap the RGB fans in your case, and just turn your PC into a whole Corsair theme build. The Corsair fans will give your whole PC case good airflow. That’s what a power hungry CPU like that needs!
@@user-lq4ni6pr5l Yes I do, and it’s a 360mm
I think Arctic have bad contact and probably honeywell ptm7950 will do better instead of mx-6.
Package at 300W.
Doesn't come with ARGB fans? Isn't that a benefit?
Did U test LIAN LI GALAHAD II TRINITY PERFORMANCE 360? its better for all this wich U have in this video.
I can vouch for the Galahad 2 trinity performance. I have it on my 14900KS and it peaks at 68C at 253W and 78C at 320W. I use 6x Lian li p28s in push/pull at 1500 rpm. No delid, no custom loop. Run around 50-55C in warzone at 59p/46e/50r.
@@meow6023 Sound supper for me I will looking to buy it. Do You have any problem with the pump? I saw in internet the people complain from the pump. How long time U use the cooler? And which revision U have? There is the new revison with new type of pump
@@PETRAKOV1 I have only been using for one week. It is a fairly quiet cooler for me.
I've been using lian li galahad 360 and it's been pretty damn good imo
Lian galahad 2 360 is the best cooler on the market actually for high loads ! and the best of the best is the performance one !
@@Avenge_Computers 4x what price? I spent 130
Have you seen the "intel fail safe" setting in the new asus. Bios it slams upto 1.7v into the cpu 😂 thats criminal 😂😂
I understand your video but come on really cini bench is a stress test ment to push cpus to there max when your playing games the games dont hit ur cpu as hard it all depends on what the person buying the cpu is doing with it test it again but just with games or rendering videos or some other work stuff and there will be a difference in the temperatures
Are all of the radiators aluminum?
pretty sure yeah
Intel gone fucking crazy
Intel did a crap CPU like this back in the Pentium era when they try to beat an AMD CPU having better clocks and performance.
Intel is a big piece of crap company, thy always was.