Sabaton - The Final Solution
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Germany got completely boned by the Treaty of Versailles, and that imo was the direct cause of WWII. WWI wasn’t Germany’s fault. Austria/Hungary started the war, Germany was just their most powerful ally and did the most damage. Thank you for bringing truth to this subject. It’s so easy to just look at Nazi Germany and condemn them (and they absolutely deserve condemnation) without looking at the conditions that allowed their rise. France is just as responsible for what happened as Germany.
I’ve been to Auschwicz twice, and it’s a haunting experience. It was 20 years ago, but I can still vividly remember the feeling of that place. It’s not a feeling of malice and anger, rather it’s a feeling of intense sadness and mourning. It’s like every soul lost at that place is there whispering to you “remember... remember this place, and never let it happen again.”
Without the assurance Austria-Hungary got from Kaiser Wilhelm giving Austria-Hungary a so-called carte blanche, or “blank check” assurance of Germany’s backing in the case of war they would not dared start the war (WWI). Germany did struggle from the Treaty of Versailles but they were actually recovering quite well as they decideded to start the next war (WWII).
I see this quite a lot where people try to remove blame from Germany but they were instrumental in starting two world wars and countless atrocities. Were they alone to blame for both WWI & WWII ? Obviously not but that does not make anything better. If a friend kills someone you don't say "Hey it could be worse you could have killed many"..
tomasz I never said they weren’t. In fact, I explicitly said they deserved condemnation for their actions. My point is that there were factors that led them to a place where these atrocities could happen. It’s not a black and white issue. The allies all had their part in allowing hitler’s rise to power, not always through direct action, but certainly through inaction in the lead up to the Polish invasion. History is complex.
logirex I wasn’t trying to remove or lessen blame from Germany, in fact I explicitly stated they deserved condemnation for what happened. It is true that the A-H/Germany alliance was a major contributing factor to the start of WWI, however the fact remains that Austria used the assassination of Frank Ferdinand (who they didn’t even like) as an excuse to further expand their imperialistic ambitions. Frankly, WWI was a stupid and pointless war and nobody behaved well during or after it. History is complex, and rarely black and white. However, it’s pretty clear that without the Treaty of Versailles completely ruining Germany’s economy and humiliating them to the point of ruin, Hitler would probably never have risen to power and WWII would likely never have happened. This in no way exculpates them from what happened, it just makes it easier to understand how they got to the point where a madman could rise to power and turn a nation to such a destructive path.
@tomasz You can attribute the blame and still understand what lead up to it. It's not about saying that they were not responsible.
@@logirex that is not the point at all.
Simply pointing out that shifting all or even most of the blame for WWI and subsequently WWII onto Germany alone is in no way trying to lessen the results of the war.
In fact it is to point out that the Allied Nations had just as much a hand in creating the circumstances for both Wars as Germany. And to ignore that is to ignore the lessons we should have learned so as not to repeat history again....
The Western Allies made a Post War Germany Weak.
And a Weak Germany was prime soil to grow The Nazi Party...
Blame a mass killer for his actions, absolutely. But that doesn't mean we should then ignore the circumstances and ideas which made the killer who he was and motivated his actions.
that moment when you realize the riff is the train chugging down the tracks
oh fuck..
Tiger 32 oh, fuck....x2
I always wondered if I was the only one who heard that! The song hits harder when you notice that.
I thought the song was rough enough as it is... thanks guys!
The only time being a train kid paid off was to notice the drums and the riff sounding like a train...
This is why i love Sabaton, they are epic storytellers but when it's necessary they can slap you in the face with stone cold truth!
Is it wrong that I can pump my fist to the catchy choruses while a tear runs down my face knowing what this all means?
@@mtaffer absolutely not! It's an epic song and the truth behind it is terrible, but it still is an energetic Sabaton song.
I wish Vin and Sori could play more Sabaton cause they always hsve important messages to say by their songs.
@@Northman-from-the-North yes indeed the do!
There songs tell a story and teach history. Very few (if any) other bands still do this today.
As a German I can say you are spot on with what you say. To the song: We repeat that history background every year in school, no joke. The song is great, but the lyrics make me cry every time.
I'm an American so I could never truly relate but on my side of things I've taken many of world history classes due to the fact that if history is neglected the mistakes and evils of the past will rise once more. That's one of the biggest reasons I chose to enlist in the army, do my small part you know? Well if you ever want to talk history shoot me a message sometime, I'd love to have a talk with someone else who appreciates the meaning of the past
My insta is steventhemusical
Hi, I'm Italian, do you still go to school? how old are you? it is normal to cry hearing the words of this song, but songs like these serve not to forget, and to fight those who want to erase the memory or worse to falsify the story.
@@alexs7189 no school any more, I'm 37. xD
Winners write the history smh.
So ridiculous
I'd also recommend another song they did about this called The Rise Of Evil
my fav
I see the eagle rising
@@jasminedragon6844 The rise of evil!
I don't understand how powerful his voice is while singing those lyrics. Everytime I try to sing along my voice just breaks from all the emotion. Crazy, crazy stuff..
When Sabaton visited Auschwitz. Pär said that no amount of documentaries could have prepared him for what he experienced in the camp, and though he encourages the other band members to visit Auschwitz, he will not go inside a second time.
We had a survivor talk to us in highschool . It was .... unreal....
Holy shit! Must have been a life changer!!
@@VinAndSori I was leaning towards rightwing politics at the time and changed to the opposite after he was done with his speech
@@VinAndSori Im in chock that you actually commented on my momment.... didnt think that happened .. thank you.
I am swedish not american btw. Dont know if that makes a difference or not.
@@VinAndSori I am an atheist but I learned to accept others believes to further the greater good. What ever that is it has to be better than what we got right. ?
How has no one recommended "The Last Stand" by Sabaton. They would love it!
This discussion reminds me of the book "Ordinary Men". You are absolutely right, most of us THINK we would be Schindler, but the reality is that most of us would find ourselves towing the party line.
Not only one of Sabatons best songs (IMO) but also one of my all time favourites too. Hauntingly beautiful, emotional telling of one of the worst crimes ever seen on this earth.
Ive been waiting months for more sabaton......... I knew today was gonna be a good day
I love the emotion on Vins face. The fact that you can see humanity through historical lyrics.. Loved this vid.
the train whistle like sound is chilling this song made me (still does) cry as well as my mother.
Plus the riff sounds like a train chugging along a track. Focus on the background guitar during the riff.
So Glad you guys did this one it's one of my favorite songs from them. They don't pull punches.
Huge respect for the after talk, explaining that there's always a reason behind what happens. Understanding the "why it happened" is the most important lesson we can get from our history, in order to prevent things from repeating.
There's a lot that many people don't seem to know about the situation in Germany post WW1, but had the conditions for the German people not been so horrible, Hitler would most likely never have been able to gain a powerful position.
Sabaton are absolutely amazing. Thanks for doing this. I especially enjoy your discussion about WW2 and what lead up to it. Not a lot of people seem to understand it.
Thank you for doing Sabaton, hopefully see more soon.
Agree the treaty terms did push the people of Germany to the brink, allowing someone with "plans " to restore honor to the country. Which in reality Austrian/Hungary declared war on Serbia after the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand, starting the Great War. But Germany took the brunt of the responsibility. And when you look at the rise of Hitler, the Party killed or silenced all the opposed. With a madman in control, even general within the German Army tried to kill Hitler, almost succeeded with the bomb in the bunker. Not all supported him.
came here for the reaction, stayed for the explanation. I feel like I am well informed on most topics but no one has explained it like this to me in school or anywhere else, this was good, now I have a lot more information.
Well done. Finally someone who is willing to research subjects prior to publicly commenting. Keep up the good work.
Gotta love whenever they react to your favorite bands lol
They rarely perform this song live, since Jaoakiem can't sing this without crying but when he does it , its a beautiful live performance.
My dad, who was oldest of his siblings, fought in the Pacific theatre in WW2. But his next brother fought thru Germany in 1945 in Patton's 11th armored div. and was at the liberation of the Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria near the end of hostilities. I can't imagine what that would be like to see that.
A sincere and big thank you to your dad from Europe. 🙏🙏🙏 My grandma was deported because her family hid young men that were forced to join the german army and hid away to avoid going to war for the enemy.
Finally someone who can see the whole picture!
You definitely earned a new subscriber!
and please accept this humble 👍
Okay im really impressed and i enjoyed Vin breaking this all down and comparing situations to present day.. subscribed and liked
Love you guys. Great content. Wish you the best
Amazing song, loved the reaction too. Another great song from them is uprising. Do the official music video, it tells a rough but amazing story, like final solution. Cheers guys!
There's another video out there that actually has visuals and it will just wreck you
Your Sabaton debates are interesting and really makes you wish more of the "reactors" would follow in a similar direction because historical topics deserve to be discussed. Keep it up.
you are on point Vin. Hate will win if you ignore knowledge.
Love the song, but every time I hear the opening notes it's like a gut punch to my soul and I weep uncontrollably. The tears aren't just for the ones who didn't escape, but also for the ones that did. The children who hid in flour sacks as their parents were torn away. The newly weds that were separated because of one or the others heritage. The depths of human cruelty and ignorance knows no bounds, and I fear we may never evolve passed it.
Wow..sabaton is good..but the after talk was amazing, I really enjoyed that,keep that spirit up both of u 😊
I've seen Sabaton in concert. I got to do a meet and greet with them and had a picture taken with the band. They are a great bunch of guys.
Vin.... You are really aware of the world around you and thank god I felt so alone. You are a wise wise man and honestly, if evil rising is never ever ever excusable... There is always an explanation. And yes USA is very much walking the same road than Germany almost a century ago.
When I saw sabaton in Manchester in 2017 they performed a acoustic version of this song and it was hauntingly beautiful
Dan Carlin - Hardcore History. Not a song, but podcast about history. This is what Vin mentioned. It's a must listen to everybody.
I’ve listened to the entire 25+hour multi-part Hardcore History - Blueprint For Armageddon podcast at least 7 times. It’s about WW1. Dan Carlin has a way of making history interesting even for people who don’t like history. Just start listening to the first part and you won’t be able to stop.
When I close my eyes to this song I alwas get tears in my eyes.
I like you both very much. :-)
Love the discussion after the song.
There's a good book, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101. It gets into technicalities a lot, but suffice it to say that these men were all normal blokes you'd go out to have a drink with in the evening, who were made to think that erasing all the enemies of the state - so, killing pregnant mothers and razing down villages - was a necessity. So, Vin has a great point - most of us would be doing this if we thought the reason was sufficient enough, since to some people ideology is everything.
That book was fucked up. It's the only book I stopped for a bit due to how graphic it was - and I read a lot of dark fiction and none fiction. I finished it later it was a good read, even teh second art where he just addresses criticism was interesting.
This song really hits hard. REALLY hard! The way the song was done, brings a beautiful yet somber mood whenever I listen to it. I do agree tho that the way it was done, brings honor to those who were victims.
Amazing video.
Horrific subject, great song of Sabaton! Required reading/listening, indeed.
Wolfheart - The Flood - please!
ManOwaR - Spirit Horse of the Cherokee
Hands of doom*
You want them to react to possibly the worst song they've ever done?
@@Empiricist14 Spirit Horse? I like it a lot. But the whole Lord of Steel is crap.
Mountain is one of my favorites by them.
this is a great way to remember it
Very well spoken.
Vin you are on point
Gallipoli,The end of the wars to end all wars and Flanders Fields have great messages.
This one is - by far - the best reaction video I've seen so far, not regardless of but BECAUSE of the extremly great semi-monologue about "How could this happen and can it happen again". Seriously. And I'm saying it as a German "left-wing" guy with an expectaional view on the Nazis. Thank you for this!
I'm just discovering Sabaton myself, and this song is amazing. But I dont know if I'd be comfortable having this one in a rotating playlist....
a) I LOVE Sabaton and they simply make history more interesting. They bring attention to a ton of topics that lots of people don't know about or simply ignore.
I love the way they took on this horrible topic and made a very beautiful but also humble tribute to it with this song. A song in the Style of Ghost Division would simply have been wrong. Joakims Voice and the backing choire in this are haunting.
I recommend watching one more song by Sabaton - Inmate 4859. About Captain Witold Pilecki. A member of the Polish resistance movement who volunteered to the German Concentration Camp. His task was to establish the truth about the camps and to write a report.
The guitar riff paired with the drums is mimicking the sound a train makes while traveling on rails.
You hear it, too.
Sabaton - Karolinens Bön (Swedish version)
Yes yes indeed!
Livstid i krig (Swedish lyrics to Lifetime at war) is far better.
@@MaskinJunior Not IMO, it´s not even on my top 10 to be honest.
Great vid :)
I think they dont play this song live anymore it felt wrong they said.
Thats what they've said about 8 to 10 years ago.
The last 5 years theyve played it couple of times live.
They generally reserve it for their German and Polish tours
Raised Fist - Friends and Traitors
the past should not be forgotten but learn from it.
At 17:30 you get in to what this story really is about.
Great reaction and your analysis is spot on!
I feel you are good people!! With smarts
Kreator - Enemy of god
Look up some of the concerts they have done this song - classy.
More sabaton!
The WWII songs are really good I'm waiting till you guys react to rise of evil
And remember... It wasn't polish! It was #german deathcamps!
I'd say _nazi_ deathcamps. Calling them German is like saying all Germans agreed on the idea and had full insight in the decisions. Not unlike many Poles today who don't agree with the current politics in their (your?) country are being seen as homophobic or pro life activists.
Anyway... I go to Oświęcim to visit the camps on a yearly basis with teenagers and it's a chilling experience every time.
Nazi death camps. Most Germans were never aware of the Camps. The Party controlled all the News and top Government positions.
If Germans knew about the Camps and what was happening in them, Germany would have thrown out the Nazi Party in an instant.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon I recommend watching this video: th-cam.com/video/gP0WxmqDg5s/w-d-xo.html
It's about the diary of a German social democrat living in Nazi Germany - if he knows something them that is certainly information that would have been available to most Germans who bothered to look and find out.
Never forget.
We do it all the time and I hate it
i am open to admit i myself underestimate covid in the beginning like everyone did, but i am free to admit that i was wrong
If you want a Sabaton song that shows war in a realistic light, listen to the Swedish version of Lifetime of war
Sabaton en livstid i krig live in gothenburg 2020.. if you do that one it would make my day
Song : War crimes
These people : *Intense head bopping*
From Russia with love!!
Vin and Sori
Love your passion for history Vin!
O.N.A - Kiedy powiem sobie dość
ar ju fakyn krejzi?
Deathspell Omega - Standing on the work of slaves
Musically, it was a good song. Lyrically, it didn't really give much. Still gave me goosebumps while listening.
Hey Vin and Sori!!! Greetings from Finland! I've seen you guys doing alot of Finnish bands reactions, but you never have done Hanoi rocks!!! Hanoi rocks was a Finnish rock band, and they did great in the early 80's, until their drummer Razzle was killed in a car accident... That car was driven by the singer of Motley Crue Vince Neil. Try some Hanoi Rocks, it's pretty good :)
A friend of mine got tested for corona virus a few months ago and he tested positive for antibodies when they gave him the results because with the blood test they are able to detect how long ago you caught contact from it he was told that first contact from it was October of last year so can't say that it wasn't around last year.
and still no sorrow from pulse.....tut tut
Hearts of Iron- sabaton awasom song and great story of ww2
Black sabbath: Headless Cross
Destruction: curse the gods
You guys need to check out Attack of the dead men by Sabaton, it's such a cool song about a battle that took place at Osowiec fortress in Poland in world war 1. You guys will love that song. Also check Winged Hussars also by Sabaton.
Especially at American (left-wing) universities it is forbidden to speak of Polish victims of concentration camps. I hope YT will not censor it.
Of course it is. They wouldn't like people to know that it was mostly europeans who suffered during that time.
You know what we call that censoring the needed information if we aren't taught about the past we will repeat it
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Congratulations. You get it right. Very rare to have it in USA.
A roman salute to all the people who fell during and after WW2.
Both world wars were an absolute disaster.
I personally think metal is one of the best music genres for anti-war messages, since it by nature is rather dark. Sabaton, even being up beat power metal, is able to show the dark side of history. A lot of classical thrash metal bands have a lot of anti-war songs and black metal (not NSBM, just dont ...) has a lot of songs that also highlight the dark side of humankind.
Please react to the last battle by sabaton. Very underrated and an epic ending of the war on europe in my opinion
There are actually 2 types of swastika the angled up one used by nazi party and other hate groups then there is square flat swastika which was used in ancient japan and hindu religions as a symbol of peace
Price of a mile!!!
React to Angra - Carolina IV
Worth to watch the fallen of world war 2
4:37 drumbeat is mimicking sound of locomotive-engine.
Hi sori and vin i like this Swedish band they telling Always in the war history and you now the drummer is Floors husband 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The guitar notes at the beginning sound like a train moving, iT was probably done on purpose
Running Wild''Battle of Waterloo''
Mgła-Age of Excuse VI
The sad thing is this are happening today, and people dont even know about it. Its time we wake up before its too late. I´m honestly scared what could happen
what?!?!
History will repeat
@@harrison445 China has concentrastioncamps. Germany will soon have them too. They call it free zones from covid. Yeah right.
This song gives me chills every time
Hi guys i know you dont take request like this but would be great to see your reaction of Primordial-Where Greater Men Have Fallen . very powerfull song and lyrics . i should get on the petreon lol
I'm late, I know. But I'd like to reccomend a book to @Vin
"All Quiet on The Western Front"
It was written by, I believe, a German veteran of WW1 detailing the mentality of the German soldiers. During the reign of the Third Reich, the book was banned and burned because it didn't glorify the German war effort.
While that book may be representative of some of the more war weary soldiers and civilians it certainly didn't speak for the majority of soldiers who wanted to keep fighting only to get stabbed in the back
@@samuelmccarter4659 The Dolchstoß was a rightoid Propaganda Ploy from the very beginning. The German Empire was on its knees - the frontline maybe a week away from collapse when Field Marshall Hindenburg approached the Kaiser and told him to initiate peace talks right away. The Civilian government has had virtually no authority ever since 1916 but they were good enough to be tasked with negotiating peace - so of course they would end up being the ones getting blamed.
And the soldiers: They knew it was over. Supplies were depleting, morale was low and the enemy was becoming more superior by the hour. Books like "All qiet on the Western Front" as well as "Storm of Steel" got the overall mood across.
@@Exodon2020 logistically your correct, the German heer couldn't have put up a fight for very much longer but, from what I've read it seems to me that the germans (especially the navy) still wanted to fight, much like the south after appomattox, the men didn't want to give up and have their incredible sacrifice all be in vain
@@samuelmccarter4659 The Navy wanted to continue the fight? The staff and higher officers who could have easily saved themselves from their deck postings maybe, but the sailors who were supposed to man the guns and pressure the boilers deep within the bellies of those floating death traps were an entirely different story...
At the very end of the war Germany descended into disarray and the spark setting off the Revolution and Germany becoming a Republic was lit in the moorings of the Imperial Navy in Kiel. Sailors left their posts and assumed control over the docks. Local factory and shipyard workers as well as the local army garrison joined them and together they occupied the City Hall. Outgoing from Kiel this Revolution soon engulfed every major German city, eventually forcing the Kaiser to abdicate and go into exile. Look up the Kiel Mutiny for reference.
Naval High Command was dead set to once again face off the Royal Navy in one last decisive battle. But for what exactly? The goal of the Battle of Jutland was to break the British Blockade in order to reopen Germany's Trade Routes. With the US still being neutral achieving this would have put Germany at an advantage.
However by 1918 there was nobody left to trade with - as pretty much everyone had either declared war on Germany or enacted an embargo on their end. And even if the Imperial Navy miraculously managed to defeat the Royal Navy they would have had to face the French and American Navy next. This order was nothing but pure madness.
@@Exodon2020 there is honor in a last stand, a last decisive naval victory could have put Germany in a more favorable position when bargaining with the allies. The German naval command acted with honor as required by naval officers. Now the men who mutinied should have been hung according to the laws of war, they showed a severe lack of honor and I may even go as far as to state there may have even been a hint of cowardice in those unlawful actions. Although you do have a point the kiel mutiny is intriguing to study, the takeaway all depends upon how you view it
Moonspell - Full Moon Madness
You guys have got to listen to prisoner 4895, it’s an incredible song about an incredible individual
Saint Vitus - Dying Inside, somebody make it happen I don't the money.