Hi Robert, Often watch your videos and enjoy them - thank you 😊 One of the ways in which the Catholic faith was taught to us as children, was visiting Mount Melleray on pilgrimage each year - usually in August. We also visited the grotto nearby, where it is said that Our Lady appeared circa 1980s (not sure of exact dates). This was our first experience as children of hearing that apparitions happen as well as seeing priests live out monastic life. We often visted Fr Athanasius, who was a gifted confessor, into his latter years. To us, hearing that Mount Melleray is to close, is akin to hearing that our Knock/Lourdes/Medjugorje is closing. It will also deprive us of local and yearly pilgrimages for our younger family members/their children. It's certainly not just bricks and mortar to us. It was part of our religious 'education' and certainly added to our faith which is a gift. Experiences that we have had their strengthened our faith and we like many in the south east, want it to remain open with religious from overseas if necessary. Many of our local churches remain open in the south east because of priests from Eastern Europe/India etc. Thank God for this. Why not the same for Mount Melleray. I understand the prophecies re church closures etc and the reality of declining vocations, but God is good and merciful - pray the sacraments and our churches will be accessible to all who want them - prayer can change prophecy as we all know. Thanks for keeping the faith alive Robert - look forward to your next installment! 🙏
Yes, it sounds somehow right, what you write. In general , what Robert says is of course true. But by an action of the Holy spirit, all is possible. Maybe we can have volunteers work on the farm (sounds a bit like a Kibbutz!)What about a place that helps Mothers keep their Babies?. and/or a place that helps people with additions?A sort of 'Doris Day ' operation. If we ( especially the monks and who ever feels the urge) pray , then the Holy Spirit is at least being invited to have a say. Also what about the Homeless?
Spot on Analysis regarding the Trappists. They abandoned the old Trappist Latin Liturgy in the 70s. One Monk, from our Lady of Gethsemani in Kentucky, left and became a lecturer at Archbishop Lefebvre's Econe Seminary.! No Vocations shortage in the SSPX then and now. They have waiting lists for some SSPX seminaries. Is the Holy Ghost trying to tell us something? St. Bernard of Clairvaux, pray for us St. Pius V, pray for us
We had a Bl.Carl Acutis relic here in my hometown a week ago. It was a great event. I could'nt go so I bought a book about him written by his mother. One thing that is striking. I did not expect him to be so radically traditional in his beliefs. His brightness & maturity was unusual too. Also Bl. Carlo was a young man of many mystical experiences. But it was his profound earnest traditional faith that was most striking for a modern youth. He will attract many young men to the priesthood. All will want to be like him. His mother has written a manifesto for the youth.
Beautiful Dominican church in Waterford closed, and they are doing ok in term's of vacation's. Will take a generation to reverse this decline, but we must begin.
Do what's possible... Start with yourself, family, community etc... live the Faith with Love. Its too late to stop the building disappearance. The remnants are gathering. The Holy Spirit is moving... Praise God through Our Lord and Saviour Jesus.
Mount Melleary is a huge site with not just buildings but land as well. I take your point about souls and bricks, Robert. We need to have vocations to maintain properties. If there are no vocations, properties become endangered. I think the man in the video is sincere though. I think your advice is wise, Robert
There's no simple answer, bricks and institutions matter too. I'm just fed up with where things are, being a religious should be hard, I've known a few little toe nail clippings that were in it because it suited them. Too much NGO money around, these types will leave the church and help immigrants to Ireland just as quickly.
Frances Hogan on a very recent video with mark Mclean was very insistent on that very point.......living stones......can't build the Church of Jesus without the HSpirit and living stones........"spiritual worldliness" as Pope F warned us all about at the beginning of his pontificate.
A pity the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of Apostles might already be a bit stretched founding two new communities, one in US and the other at Colwich Abbey in UK. They have no end of vocations.
I stayed at Mt. Melleray 5 years ago and loved the time there. I doubt the bishop could/would allow a traditional community as they are the area of growth.
The monks that founded Melleary chose that location and made it what it is precisely because it was remote. Unfortunately there is no demand in the area. The vocations of the monks is not the vocation of even the married man, to go live in the desert.
Look at the closure of convents in the past 20 years. Ireland has a huge problem. I doubt if grandparents not to mind children could tell you the significance of religion any more. Just look at the whole Christmas carry on............
I hope they don't sell it to rich folk.....rich folk like to buy religious places in the hope it makes them even richer. Just like the bishops resident in cashel, Co tipperary. ❤
Very interesting presentation Robert. Thank you. I think it will help many who are attached to tradition and to beautiful buildings to reflect on the essence of Christianity which is a committment to follow Christ and having a personal relationship with Him. You are so right we need to be the living blocks of Christ's church, right where we are, with our families, neighbours, friends, and strangers we meet. Go out to the whole world and spread the good news! I'm not in the diocese of Waterford but I would be more than surprised if Bishop Phonsie is not already planning the next step for Mount Mellary. He, in my opinion, is on fire for Jesus. As I have said before I am on the very margins of the catholic church and fellowship with other Christians on Sundays but Bishop Phonsie is sometimes like the lone voice crying in the wilderness , often the only bishop i hear in the media. Yes it is sad to see it closing. In my youth I spent a few days there in the guest house with another girl. We hitched lifts from Dublin and intended spending a night there on the way to the jazz festival in Cork. We were so blessed by being in that community that we never went to the jazz festival choosing to spend time in prayer, relaxation and walking the hills at the back of the monastery. Yes it's sad on one level.. but God is building His church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.
I have known too many get what they want out of the Church, then some stayed in the Church for more and some left. I have reasons to be bitter. On the other hand, any of the older priests and nuns I've known were wonderful, they didn't gain personally or abuse whatever power they had. Frankly, I think Jesus has had enough and wants rid of most of the structure, and good riddance too.
The Dominicans are the obvious choice to take it over. For the Dominican Order to maintain a presence in a priory, the general requirement is to have at least six friars. They left Waterford in 2022 and the Parish took over that church
@@thecatholicman well amongst that particular division you'll find at least 20 men under 50, many of whom are unwifeable, so the proposed community would get to keep them for life. Not to mention the parishioners who would keep it afloat financially
Our country has already been given away from under us, making a strangers in our own land, and outnumbered in many towns. We need to keep things in Irish hands.
Robert,We need Eucharistic unity with Christ.God Bless You and your Family. Margaret .
Hi Robert, Often watch your videos and enjoy them - thank you 😊 One of the ways in which the Catholic faith was taught to us as children, was visiting Mount Melleray on pilgrimage each year - usually in August. We also visited the grotto nearby, where it is said that Our Lady appeared circa 1980s (not sure of exact dates). This was our first experience as children of hearing that apparitions happen as well as seeing priests live out monastic life. We often visted Fr Athanasius, who was a gifted confessor, into his latter years. To us, hearing that Mount Melleray is to close, is akin to hearing that our Knock/Lourdes/Medjugorje is closing. It will also deprive us of local and yearly pilgrimages for our younger family members/their children. It's certainly not just bricks and mortar to us. It was part of our religious 'education' and certainly added to our faith which is a gift. Experiences that we have had their strengthened our faith and we like many in the south east, want it to remain open with religious from overseas if necessary. Many of our local churches remain open in the south east because of priests from Eastern Europe/India etc. Thank God for this. Why not the same for Mount Melleray. I understand the prophecies re church closures etc and the reality of declining vocations, but God is good and merciful - pray the sacraments and our churches will be accessible to all who want them - prayer can change prophecy as we all know. Thanks for keeping the faith alive Robert - look forward to your next installment! 🙏
Yes, it sounds somehow right, what you write. In general , what Robert says is of course true. But by an action of the Holy spirit, all is possible. Maybe we can have volunteers work on the farm (sounds a bit like a Kibbutz!)What about a place that helps Mothers keep their Babies?. and/or a place that helps people with additions?A sort of 'Doris Day ' operation. If we ( especially the monks and who ever feels the urge) pray , then the Holy Spirit is at least being invited to have a say. Also what about the Homeless?
Sorry that should be 'Dorthy Day', not Doris Day!
Thank you for this, it is sad but encouraging, really enjoy listening to your opinions/advice.....keep it up.
Spot on Analysis regarding the Trappists.
They abandoned the old Trappist Latin Liturgy in the 70s.
One Monk, from our Lady of Gethsemani in Kentucky, left and became a lecturer at Archbishop Lefebvre's Econe Seminary.!
No Vocations shortage in the SSPX then and now. They have waiting lists for some SSPX seminaries.
Is the Holy Ghost trying to tell us something?
St. Bernard of Clairvaux, pray for us
St. Pius V, pray for us
We had a Bl.Carl Acutis relic here in my hometown a week ago. It was a great event. I could'nt go so I bought a book about him written by his mother. One thing that is striking. I did not expect him to be so radically traditional in his beliefs. His brightness & maturity was unusual too. Also Bl. Carlo was a young man of many mystical experiences. But it was his profound earnest traditional faith that was most striking for a modern youth. He will attract many young men to the priesthood. All will want to be like him. His mother has written a manifesto for the youth.
I think this man is not only teaching his kids the faith but also showing them
This man is what we need. Ave Maria
The hearts want bricks. ❤️💙
Beautiful Dominican church in Waterford closed, and they are doing ok in term's of vacation's.
Will take a generation to reverse this decline, but we must begin.
Thank you Robert some great ideas so needed ❤❤❤❤🎉
You are quite right Robert. When you see Carmelites shopping in supermarkets they have certainly lost their way. Go back to your roots.
Do what's possible... Start with yourself, family, community etc... live the Faith with Love. Its too late to stop the building disappearance. The remnants are gathering. The Holy Spirit is moving... Praise God through Our Lord and Saviour Jesus.
Faith definetly but we need to save our churches also.
have been going to mount melleray for years,Fr Michael Ahern r i p put me on the right road for a journey thank God i am still on today,
Just got a present of "Where His feet Pass A year in the life of a path at Mount Melleray Abbey".
Traditional latin mass communities doing well Deo Gratias.
Mount Melleary is a huge site with not just buildings but land as well.
I take your point about souls and bricks, Robert. We need to have vocations to maintain properties.
If there are no vocations, properties become endangered.
I think the man in the video is sincere though. I think your advice is wise, Robert
There's no simple answer, bricks and institutions matter too. I'm just fed up with where things are, being a religious should be hard, I've known a few little toe nail clippings that were in it because it suited them. Too much NGO money around, these types will leave the church and help immigrants to Ireland just as quickly.
Frances Hogan on a very recent video with mark Mclean was very insistent on that very point.......living stones......can't build the Church of Jesus without the HSpirit and living stones........"spiritual worldliness" as Pope F warned us all about at the beginning of his pontificate.
I know I listened to it just today it was brilliant and stuck me a lot
She is so encouraging to listen to. No somber fears in that spiritual woman.
A pity the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of Apostles might already be a bit stretched founding two new communities, one in US and the other at Colwich Abbey in UK. They have no end of vocations.
Send them to Ireland
@ In common with any religious order they would need to be invited.
What about the community at Silverstream? Aren't their numbers growing?
They are too young a community, they need 10-15 more years to settle and grow where they are.
I stayed at Mt. Melleray 5 years ago and loved the time there. I doubt the bishop could/would allow a traditional community as they are the area of growth.
No need to worry about Mount Melleray. Its going to be ok.
The monks that founded Melleary chose that location and made it what it is precisely because it was remote. Unfortunately there is no demand in the area. The vocations of the monks is not the vocation of even the married man, to go live in the desert.
Look at the closure of convents in the past 20 years. Ireland has a huge problem. I doubt if grandparents not to mind children could tell you the significance of religion any more. Just look at the whole Christmas carry on............
I hope they don't sell it to rich folk.....rich folk like to buy religious places in the hope it makes them even richer. Just like the bishops resident in cashel, Co tipperary. ❤
The benedicts at millstream i wander would they be interested in moving to mount mellaray
💔😢
Thank god for saving mellary monestary
Citertican monastery irreplaceable Benedictian tradition of prayer and labor, ( ora et labor)
Very interesting presentation Robert. Thank you. I think it will help many who are attached to tradition and to beautiful buildings to reflect on the essence of Christianity which is a committment to follow Christ and having a personal relationship with Him. You are so right we need to be the living blocks of Christ's church, right where we are, with our families, neighbours, friends, and strangers we meet. Go out to the whole world and spread the good news!
I'm not in the diocese of Waterford but I would be more than surprised if Bishop Phonsie is not already planning the next step for Mount Mellary. He, in my opinion, is on fire for Jesus. As I have said before I am on the very margins of the catholic church and fellowship with other Christians on Sundays but Bishop Phonsie is sometimes like the lone voice crying in the wilderness , often the only bishop i hear in the media. Yes it is sad to see it closing. In my youth I spent a few days there in the guest house with another girl. We hitched lifts from Dublin and intended spending a night there on the way to the jazz festival in Cork. We were so blessed by being in that community that we never went to the jazz festival choosing to spend time in prayer, relaxation and walking the hills at the back of the monastery. Yes it's sad on one level.. but God is building His church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.
Try the Dominicans, quite a few coming through
I have known too many get what they want out of the Church, then some stayed in the Church for more and some left.
I have reasons to be bitter.
On the other hand, any of the older priests and nuns I've known were wonderful, they didn't gain personally or abuse whatever power they had.
Frankly, I think Jesus has had enough and wants rid of most of the structure, and good riddance too.
Check with the Dominicans.
The Dominicans are the obvious choice to take it over. For the Dominican Order to maintain a presence in a priory, the general requirement is to have at least six friars. They left Waterford in 2022 and the Parish took over that church
They already closed a community in that Diocese. I'm my opinion it was be a complete waste of resourses to send dominicans to that monastery.
Sspx.
SSPX are tiny in Ireland, after Bishop Williamson left they divided even more.
@@thecatholicman well amongst that particular division you'll find at least 20 men under 50, many of whom are unwifeable, so the proposed community would get to keep them for life. Not to mention the parishioners who would keep it afloat financially
Bring in African, Philippine and or Vietnamese Catholics to keep the abbey going.
Why ask African, Philippine and or Vietnamese Catholics to keep our communities alive?
@@thecatholicman Because.
That's your answer.
Our country has already been given away from under us, making a strangers in our own land, and outnumbered in many towns. We need to keep things in Irish hands.