We Got Liquid Springs On Our Super C RV! (Worth It? & Factory Tour)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- In this episode of Wandering Wagners, we took our Nexus Wraith 34W Super C RV to Lafayette, Indiana to Liquid Spring to get our rear suspension re-done with a complete new system!
Liquid Spring is a Smart Suspension that monitors and adjusts liquid in tanks to adjust and account for bumps in the roads, and body tilt of your coach.
The systems runs around $12k depending on your coach.
People who have installed Liquid Spring on their rigs do nothing but rant and rave about how amazing it is, so we wanted to see if it was really worth all that money!
Liquid Spring does almost 100% of the manufacturing and testing of their system in house! That was probably one of the most surprising parts (in a good way!) Lots of great skilled workers, and super smart engineers!
I've been in manufacturing my entire career and this plant was so clean! They really take pride, and it shows with the excellent craftsmanship.
Mike dropped off the Wraith on Monday morning and they called Tuesday to say it was finished and ready to get picked up! We arrived Wednesday morning to get a factory tour and pick up the Super C.
We did a test drive with Eric, and he showed us not only how to operate the system, but how the system itself operates!
Next we put it to the test by heading 300+ miles away towards Iowa. The roads in Indiana and around Chicago are known to be terrible- so the Wraith got a lot of testing miles in this trip!
We were pleasantly surprised at how well the Super C rode! We even removed the cardboard from under our fridge that helps hold up the heavy wood facing, which normally falls under non-bumpy roads. I was skeptical that we wouldn't need the cardboard anymore. After the rest of the 4 hour drive the fridge facing was STILL in place! That in itself is a win haha
Unlike Springs or air ride, Liquid Spring is a SMART suspension that learns, vs a static thing that can only do so much while hitting bumps.
We plan to update as we travel along the next few months with how the system is operating and if we STILL think it's worth it... or not!
As of now, we both think it is!
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Glad you like it. I agree. It's a game changer. We enjoy the front and rear we put on our class a. Sport mode really helps in gusting cross winds. We use normal typically. Sport in wind and comfort on smooth roads.
We are hoping to get the fronts done once it's available for us! I think you're right about the settings too
The fact that you made an international truck chassis quite, is in itself amazing.
Liquid spring suspension is pretty awesome!
Well done, I now have one more opinion that now leans me towards liquid springs. Thanks. Keep me updated as you put more miles on👍
Thanks! We plan to give updates with our travels to keep everyone informed and up to date with it's performance and which ride stiffness we find works best for us etc
We reached out to the FB group a few days ago about our concern with the suspension and you guys commented. We were happy to see your comment. Was also glad to see this video and your response(s). We were the ones wanting a Triumph 30TSC but our local dealer sold the one they had on their lot. :( ...No worries, we will find one eventually. :)
If you order one, you can get liquid springs installed from the factory so that's a nice option if you go that route! If not, I'm sure you'll be able to find a rig that suits your needs soon!
Thanks again for sharing your Liquid Spring upgrade. We are having it done on our Newmar gas coach all 4 corners in early 2022.. I look forward to your updates.. Lee Horton
Oh nice! We are hoping to get it on the front once it's available but we will see. You will love it I'm sure!
I’ve seen another channel; I forget which at the moment; also switched to Liquid Springs and they really liked them too. Good upgrade.
That's good to hear! So far we are happy with it
Now that is really cool! I thought you guys helped the noise and rattles from the first spring upgrade... but now that I see liquid spring in action and when you guys said it is good it really must be good! Just fantastic! I can't wait when you guys really test it over time! Cold and hot weather you guys are really going to test it! 🇺🇸👍
If the fridge face stays in place Liquid Springs is definitely working great! It would never stay up in place before. We have been putting it through the paces since we got it back😁 no end in sight!
What a difference! I've seen some of your earlier videos with the rattles, bumps & shuddering, and this is so smooth and quiet. Good upgrade! :)
Yeah those earlier videos make us cringe now when we hear all that noise! Haha much better now
It'll be louder without your stuff in it, honestly. Then when you have your things loaded up, you'll find the little squeaks and rattles and pad them or whatever and you'll be good. Liquid spring helps a ton but not everyone will get them.
Glad y'all got the liquid thing-a-ma-bob on your rv. I remember thinking when you got that rv that y'all would hate it because of all the racket that class c's make rolling down the road. Enjoy it and don't fall asleep driving down the road! Hurry back!
When we picked it up it was pretty loud.. It got better once we loaded our stuff in, then better with the first spring upgrade, and now really good after liquid springs haha
Getting a full install on our sixth month old Class A in July on a trip from California through the Midwest and back.
You will love the results!!👏🏻 We are still waiting for them to create front suspension for our chassis
Great video guys 👍👍 I enjoyed the tour on the springs .. stay safe and have fun camping
Thank you!😁👍🏻 We really enjoyed the tour as well. It was very impressive to see all of the engineering to production they do in house! Loved that part for sure
Smart money for smart equipment ! Glad you guys like the upgrade.
Thank you! It's working out great so far and the motorhome is thanking us for it
Looks like a good upgrade on the rig. Smooth operation! Nice job.
Thanks! It's much better now. They have a really impressive operation there!
Very cool. If you really want bumpy roads drive through Salt Lake City, OMG it sucks. Now all I have to do is get over the cost. Thanks for your review.
Thanks! It's been a few years since we were in SLC but I can't remember the roads being that bad. Cali had terrible roads, Indiana and lower Michigan are bad... Ohio isn't good either😂 the cost is definitely a hard pill to swallow but hopefully it'll make us keep this rig longer than normal for us haha
I’m happy for both of you a smooth ride
Thank you! It has been an amazing upgrade
Enteresting, hopefully they'll have it for the front end soon
They're still working on it to our knowledge but we can't wait for it to be available for the front end too😁👏🏻
I have a system similar to that on my Yukon, and it makes the ride so awesome. I know you guys will love it.
We love it! World of difference
Defiantly a worthwhile upgrade from watching your past videos, we had the same problem with our Dometic refrigerator dropping its wood panel so I glued the plastic retainer to the door, problem solved.
For a motorhome the smother the ride the better so Liquid Springs would be the ticket but I'm thinking a heavy dump truck then leaf springs would probably be more feasible.
Originally we were looking to remove the fridge panels but couldn't find a face we liked at the time so we just rolled with the cardboard lol it did a great job but it's crazy that we don't need it anymore! I honestly didn't think it wouldn't fall even after liquid Spring. I was happy to be proven wrong!
Very few heavy-duty trucks (including dump trucks) still use leaf springs. Some types used rubber (mostly concrete mixers and crane carriers), but now almost all of them use air springs. Liquid Spring is too complex and expensive for most commercial use, and the ride isn't important enough in those truck to justify it.
Watching these Liquid Springs videos (I watched another video tour by Matt's RV Reviews before I watched yours) makes we want to jump in our Tiffin Open Road with the 4 corner LS retrofit and hit the road! The ride is now phenomenal.
We love our liquid spring! Hopefully they will make them for our front sometime soon🤞🏻
The snow is so pretty.
It was very beautiful!
Very nice video! Sounds like a huge hit when it comes to ride quality. I only wish Liquid Springs were available for the E-450 class c market....
They do have liquid spring for the E450 chassis'
@@WanderingWagners Thanks for the info. I just checked out Liquid Springs for my 2023 Thor Quantum E450 motorhome. Looks like a real winner if your budget can cover the costs. They told me it would be around $21,000 for my coach - which would bust my budget. So I went the conventional route and just upgraded the stock suspension. I got Koni FSD shocks, Sumo springs, Hellwig sway bars and a Roadmaster reflex steering stabilizer. It set me back $2,700 in parts and Ford charged me $1,100 to install, which came with an alignment. The improvement was not as dramatic as Liquid Springs but made my coach ride significantly better. It cut down on the rock-n-roll sway and the new shocks soak up the bumps much better than the Ford stock shock. Also the steering is tighter and tracks down the road better than before. So I'm quite happy with my upgrades and only wish I had the dough to pony up for Liquid Springs.
@fredsanchez577 that's great that you could make your own improvements to your RV though👏🏻😁
I've never had any experience with liquid spring but I've heard nothing but good things about the system. The TH-cam channel endless RVing put it on their class A and love it. Liquid spring is a sponsor of their channel. Have a good Thanksgiving!
So far it's been great since we left the factory! We've continued to travel since we got it installed and will continue to update in coming videos
Have you talked with service staff for fleets using Liquid Spring, such as for ambulances about the complexity of the system, reliability, and difficulty or ease of maintenance and repair?
getting four corner system put on BayStar 3414 next month, can't wait!
That should be amazing! We could only get the rear on ours, for now, until they develop it for the front.
These are definitely nice. Drove the two Class A's at the Tampa show this year and do make a difference. Would love to have on our gas Class A but still a little pricey for us. Enjoy the ride!
It is pricey! But we are hoping it'll force us to keep this rig longer than our other RVs we've had😂
6 December we get liquid springs installed on my 2016 Phantom on the International chassis. Looking forward to the ride.
That's great! They have a great operation there and hopefully you love the liquid springs😁
The softness of an air ride suspension depends on the volume of air. Just as Liquid Spring changes the connected volume of fluid to change stiffness (for the various ride modes and cornering response), an air spring system can have any desired air volume (in the spring and attached). Many commercial truck air suspensions are not soft at all, but that's not a fundamental limitation of air springs.
Thanks for the comment!
It's smart, and therein lies my concern with Liquid Springs. I was looking at a Wraith with Liquid Springs when I was shopping and my main concern with them was serviceability. I called the company and was told that if the control unit went out it was about 2 days to get you a new one, overnight if they didn't have to program a unit for you. Not bad, but still it's 2 days. My other question, which I don't remember if I asked was the hydraulic portion of the system. Cylinders will leak at some point and how quickly can they get you new ones? I don't know but I imagine I would had gotten the same 2 day answer. Glad you guys like it but I think I'm going to stick with the air ride on my Ghost for now. Keep the good stuff coming guys.
that's the risk you take with electronics, ect. If the Def sensor goes out on your ghost you'll need a tow and the sensors are on national back order. Luckily, liquid spring has a great track record and they have the parts available if need be. Don't forget that air systems can leak and fail too😉
There's a risk with any vehicle to have something break... At least we will now have a much more enjoyable ride while on the road vs what we had before!😁
Agree and whats your take for simplicity off-road 50% of the time... Possibly rough driving (not RV)
Expedition vehicle 4x4 ???
Cost possibly a little bit of concern BUT keeping a simple off-road truck (small camper box)
Ya, Liquid Springs are in my future. :-) We are getting a Winnebago Adventurer 29B from Lichtsinn RV and then driving down to LiquidSpring and having them installed on all 4 corners. That way I will know how it handles before and after.
I'm sure you'll have a major difference with being able to get them on all 4 corners! Maybe someday they'll have it for the front in our rig
We have a 29b. How did your upgrade perform
As always, great info 👍
Thank you! Glad you found it informative
Sounds like a great investment. As for the heater. I have one at work beside my desk. Always sounds like it's frying bacon when I turn it on.
Haha it does sound like bacon frying!
The stock suspension on that rig must have been brutal. I have the same refrigerator with a similar heavy panel in a Class A on a Ford F53 chassis, and while the ride is harsh we have had no issues with the refrigerator panel. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these Class C motorhomes on heavy-duty chassis are too stiff due to excessive GAWR, but a Wraith is only a Class 6 (like my F53), so it shouldn't be that bad.
We have past videos showing the ride from when we got it! To when we upgraded the springs and now with rear liquid spring, if you're interested check them out! It was really rough
Good review, love the fridge filled with beer!! Lol!
Haha thank you! Priorities😁🍺
love our oil-filled electric radiator as well!
Great heat output and quiet (once it's up and running haha)
So happy you are loving the Liquid Springs. From what I have read on it they are the Best !! Safe Travels guys 💙
That's what we've heard as well! Figured we'd put it to the test. So far, so good🤞🏻
Liquid springs for the win...and I agree air is nice but not as nice as people make it out to be at all
Part of me thinks it's because they've been told it's the best so there's some placebo effect going on. We've been in plenty of air ride and liquid springs was by far superior!
Great review and information. Thank you
Thank you! Glad you found it informative
Have a great Thanksgiving.
Thank you, same to you!😁
Glad you guys are happy with the upgrade!
Since this is a comment section... I don't see how ANY rv manufacturer would build a motorhome on a spring suspension chassis... I mean come on.
Not for nothing but the Wraith was nothing more than a camper school bus. Hey we heard what it sounded like.
We have travel trailers, but the trailers have the Dexter torsion rubber axles which ride so smooth, as if it was air ride... actually better cause there is nothing to it but the self contained rubber axle.
If we were going motorhome, I would never consider anything that did not have air ride. For a few reasons, air on board for the suspension, air brakes, simple excellent braking and the added benefit of spring brakes for parking safety. You can have air seats, air for anything you use an air hose for.
Air can be serviced at any truck related shop.
Air suspension matched with the correct shocks will allow for a smooth comfortable ride... higher cost up front for the air equipped chassis but it is gonna be a keeper, and resale will be higher too.
The Liquid Springs I have no doubt ride great and are a great design, but holy cow there is so much goin on with the electric over hydraulic components... I would be nervous. Too much to go wrong if it ever did...
BUT, that is only my opinion... good luck with your rig. You will probably not have issues, now gotta get that steer axle sofened up!!
Stay safe y'all.
Thanks so far we are very happy with the best of the best suspension! 😁 hopefully they will come out with the suspension for the front and we can upgrade that too
RVs use steel springs because most RV buyers are not willing to pay for better... just like every other part of the unit.
Most of the type C school buses are equipped with rear air ride.
We can't wait for the liquid springs to come out next year for our Super C, apparently they won't be out for another 3-6 months for rear chassis and another year for the front. We have a much bigger chassis than this Nexus.
Yeah they are still working on the Freightliner chassis. We are hoping they make liquid spring for the front of our chassis too
I like it. Sure looks like a much better ride now. 👍
It really is! We are able to even leave the microwave turntable in and it doesn't even move😮 I didn't know it was in there until Mike told me!
Great video guys!
Thank you!😁👏🏻
Hello Mike: I caught the flash of your blue Jeep while watching this episode. I had to go back and confirm what I saw. Congratulations on being a Ham! I've been in the hobby for 56 years myself. Have you done any Amateur Radio while traveling? Good Luck with your new rig & 73. Bill, W2ZKX
I have a dual band ht that travels with us. Installing a mobile rig is still on that "to do list" haha
I chuckled when I saw the door contents at 20:40... lol
Gotta be prepared🍺😂
Hey guys. I just watched a commercial of you guys a d lectric bikes. Rock on😁
Where did you see that? I don't think we've seen it!
@@WanderingWagners It was a youtube ad before a video. Showed unboxing was cool
Huh that's pretty cool lol
@@WanderingWagners I think its because I've been watching electric bike videos.
Good video. Thanks. Friendly advice: your next investment should be a better microphone.
Thanks!
Thanks for the information, I would like to have it on the front of my Seneca with the air I have on the rear. But maybe changing out the air is the way to go. I think I need to talk to Liquid Spring and get their opinion. They may not have it available for the front of the Seneca either.
Yeah you'd have to ask them if it's available for your chassis, but they are working and developing everyday so if they don't today they probably will in the future! We are crossing our fingers for the front of our coach as well. We'd definitely change out the air for liquid Spring but that's totally your decision. Their factory was really impressive though!
One of the big differences between the Wraith and the Ghost is the rear suspension. Is the extra cost worth it just to get air suspension? I don’t believe I need the extra tow capacity and the extra 60 HP?thoughts?
We would actually recommend you get the triumph or Wraith and get liquid spring installed over the air suspension of the ghost. Even after liquid spring it'll still be cheaper than the Ghost, especially with a Triumph
What about maintenance/upkeep. Longevity? Life expectancy of them.
They're essentially maintenance free. The nuts/bolts are paint marked and every once in awhile you check to make sure they haven't loosened up. If an issue arises, everyone always says liquid spring is on it asap. Though issues are few and far between and we haven't had any problems whatsoever.
Very interesting video.
Thank you! So far it's been a great suspension. We plan to give updates with our next videos as well
OK. I have a question. You toured the factory, did Lynn approve the welds?
Haha! They were mig and pretty good from the ones I saw. They had a welding robot (which I used to operate in a past job) so that brought back memories but this place was CLEAN for a factory that includes welding and machining! I didn't take my inspection gear with me but I did enjoy looking at the welds😜
So it’s a lot better with just the rear upgraded. Maybe the smart money is on getting a less expensive RV and add the Liquid Spring upgrade. That just might open a for me door that was shut.
Yes pretty much! No need for air ride... Just get it with liquid springs! They currently don't have the front suspension for our rig but they're working on it. They do have it for a lot of class A motorhomes already though. Hopefully soon!
active vs.passive suspension!
Yes!
It must be a dometic fridge thing... we had a dometic in our last TT that was their new stainless steel look. Basically a piece of metal, our bottom one came off over and over. Including the first day we picked up the TT.
We've never had a fridge with the fake facing on it and it's the only fridge we've ever had this problem with (both dometic and norcold). Luckily it looks like we don't need to worry about it anymore!😁👏🏻
How is LS suspension after a year? I'm still debating getting it on our Thor Palazzo diesel pusher
We do plan on doing an update video on liquid spring, but short answer is we still love it!
Tiffin has been offering it on the Ford chassis
Yeah they offer it on quite a few chassis now and they are developing more everyday!
Great video! Did you install the 18500 liquid springs or the 15500?
15,500
@@WanderingWagners is there a reason you didn’t go with the 18500 like with your upgraded springs?
It's what liquid spring recommend. Their system is rated for the weight of our motorhome whereas the original springs weren't. Different system, so operates differently
Total cost? Maintenance? Does air ride remain on the front with liquid spring on the rear?
Cost depends on your coach. For ours it's around $12k, but it's well worth it and much better than air. Many people with air ride remove it and go with liquid spring.
Liquid spring is essentially maintenance free, unlike air. Liquid spring is available for dinner chassis' for both front and rear, currently for our chassis is only available for the rear and they are working on designing it for the front as well. We are spring ride on front, not air. We've owned and driven many air ride vehicles though.
What are your thoughts on your liquid spring install a year later? I’m going in September to get it on the rear of my clase and I was wondering how yours is with just the rear done or did you go back and get the front done it yet?
We talked about that in this video:
th-cam.com/video/DbZK5iLged4/w-d-xo.html
Overall we love liquid spring and would do it again in a heartbeat. Well worth it! We only have it on the rear still because they haven't come out with it for the front yet on our chassis.
My sister has a bounder class A and they have liquid spring on all 4 corners and they loved it!
Hi,,, we like the Liquor Springs and they will be the way of the future for RV or Any vehicle manufacturer to replace Leaf Springs,,, Shocks or Struts...
Question: Your past "Up Grade/Replacement" of your Rear Spring Pack to a heavier rating,,, what did you do with them ??? Did Liquid Spring keep them and give you a credit towards their product or are you going to try and resell them ??? We Alway's Enjoy Your Videos !!! Jack & Lynne in Little Rock, AR...
We had the option to keep them or let liquid Spring have them. Since we were traveling after we picked up the Wraith we didn't really have room to want to take them with us so we pretty Liquid spring have them. Originally we did plan to get them back to maybe sell/give away but oh well.
What was the cost for doing just the rear? Thank you.
At the time it was going for $12k. Not sure what it is now
AIR AIR AIR !!!!
Liquid😁
Ok boomer.
Little confused here. If you have a Wraith, it is an air ride system, correct? If so, why the need for LS on the rear?
The wraith was spring ride, not air. Even if it was air, we'd want to upgrade to liquid spring as it's a much better ride than air ride.
Does the raise and lower feature work on the front as well (assuming you have both axles done)? How much travel? We need to lower our rig a few inches to be able to store it in the garage.
We do not have it on the front (it's not currently available but they're working on it). It raises and lowers 3" from the "normal" ride height. They said a lot of people use the lower for situations like yours, or they will raise it for a steep driveway.
@@WanderingWagners Thank you!
Yes, the height change will be on all axles which are equipped with the system. In demos of LiquidSpring on a chassis-cab truck, the height is changed on one axle at a time - apparently the control package can't do both axles at the same time - which I think would be bad while moving, but just takes extra time when stopped.
at 12:25 the liquid springs rep said to put on high level if you ever need to get under the motorhome. yikes. don't see a lockout and there are many fatal accidents with people getting under vehicles where the suspension unexpectedly lowers crushing them. this was one of the hard rules i learned on the first day being around trucks with variable suspensions. i can't figure why they would suggest this.
🤷🏼♀️ we are able to get under ours with the creeper in the garage without issues so doesn't pertain to us. I don't think it would lower any more than the "low" feature which is still far off the ground.
@@WanderingWagners You should assume that it could go down to the bump stops, which will be well below the "low" ride height. To minimize the chance of an issue, ensure that the system is turned off and there is no power for it (just the key switch if it is wired so it can't run without the key on). The best approach is to use the system to raise the vehicle if desired, turn off the system, and put jack stands under each frame rail behind the rear axle.
How many extra inches of clearance do you get when in high mode? I have a driveway that does not like my entry steps😀
It's supposed to raise up 3" from normal ride height but we haven't had the chance to measure it. If does go up pretty high though from just looking at it
@@WanderingWagners thanks- mind if you share the cost? I am considering this vs 6” lift kit.
@@josephhartman2343 $12k but could vary depending on your coach.. Contact Liquid spring and get a quote😊
no Dout this is a good setup. But it is high tech it uses custom made hydraulic cylinders. we work on equipment i can say firsthand they wear out. propyl quicker on suspension . this system fairly new has no real long time test results. getting parts for on the road failure then put them in not Gona happen. were air bag is simple easy to replace. i can't believe the liquid spring system that much better then an air bag system. plus, the 14k price tag i guess time will tell .
It most definitely is better than air ride. We've been in many air ride vehicles. This is much better! Many people even change out their air ride and get liquid spring installed.
Check out our other videos talking about this system. Liquid spring has been around for 20 years and it is almost maintenance free, unlike an air system. Liquid spring is a smart suspension while air is a "dumb" static system. It's been heavily used in ambulances for many years as well.
Well I've been waiting for your review and sounds pretty nice, midway thru video I thought spring suspension/wraith is out and will have to get ghost with air suspension , but now maybe a wraith and liquid spring later- thanks for the information
enjoy the ride. will be waiting for more reviews on other settings :)
Liquid Spring is now able to be ordered from the factory from Nexus as well! We'd totally get it from the factory on a Wraith etc! Even with liquid Spring you'll still have with a wraith over a ghost with air
@@WanderingWagners Yes, Nexus lists Liquid Spring as an option (in the "Electrical" option category), but you say it cost about $12,000, and Nexus charges $23,248.
Sorry ,it starts when mike starts talking at 21:06 , look over his right shoulder looks like Freddy k lol
It looks like a reflection of something on the bed in the window to us but it does look like a head! Haha
Excellent. :-)))). :-)))))
Thanks for watching!!
We’re the shock upgrades a few years back a waste of money ?
One of the best upgrades you can do for the money! Of course they are standard in the late 21 models and newer models
Interesting
It's a very cool product!
So the 18.5 K springs were removed? 😎🇺🇸👍🍺
Yes they were. All of the factory suspension was removed and replaced with the liquid Spring system
And is liquid spring a good choice for off-road driving (expedition style)?
4x4 maybe 70% of the time
5500 Chevy 4x4
And PRIMARILY simplicity in mind, you don't see Dakar Rally trucks (extreme example) but still a valid issue, if simplicity is a big concern off road and 4x4 driving...
But yes, for a 4x4 expedition style off-roading/ climbing hills/ rocks (again not RV)
Expedition Truck/ still big like your rig (half the size)!
We can't speak to that because obviously we only have liquid spring on our RV, however I do know that they have systems for some pickup trucks. You'd have to call them and ask if they'd have something that would fit and work for your setup.
They do put liquid spring on a 4x4 RV (Nexus Rebel) and ambulances etc.
Ok, We currently have a 24ft RB, Dynamax REV. (2017). We are looking to upgrade to something a bit larger with a dedicated bed area. I want to be able to tow a vehicle without any issues, ie: hills or steep grades. Your Wraith is 300hp and you tow a jeep. My REV is 280hp but limited to a towing capacity of 2000 lbs. Is the difference in the transmissions? I bought a 2016 Smart car to tow but don't think my RV will handle it in hilly terrain.. It may seem like a dum question but we have only been RV'ing for 8 months and I've been wondering about this for a while. Second question, initially 24ft to me was large. Your Wraith is I think 34ft, would the transition from driving a 24ft to 34ft be a big deal in your opinion? I'm a retired airline pilot and am ok in the air but don't have a lot of over the road experience with these RVs. I enjoyed your video on "Would I buy it Again, and the liquid Spring upgrade.
There's a lot that's factored into tow ratings like chassis, brakes, engine, and transmission. The chassis will have a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) and a combined vehicle weight rating (RV and trailer) if you have a lighter weight chassis then you'll have a lower weight rating, the more your RV weighs, the less you can tow. Super C's usually have a very respectful tow rating because they are built on commercial truck chassis.
You'd be surprised how easy this wraith handles being 34 feet. There would be an adjustment period for you, but it would be short. It has A very good wheel cut for it's size.
@@WanderingWagners Thank you for your response. It really helps to watch videos like yours and take advantage of your knowledge. I've learned alot from videos like yours and others. It gives me hope! Thanks again.
You mention the beneficial ride effect of loading your stuff into the unit @19:10 - what are your operating axle weights, or at least the total weight? The stock suspension may still have been underloaded, causing poor ride. @21:30 you mention "eighteen five springs", and based on other comments means that you changed out the original 15,500 pound rated leaf springs for a set rated for a rear GAWR (or GVWR?) of 18,500 pounds; is this true, and why did you increase spring stiffness?
We weighed on a cat scale and the drive axle was at 14,580 lbs. The reason why we upgraded springs was because we were riding on the bump stops, and not just by a little bit. The 18,500 springs gave us enough lift to raise the back end up enough to be off the bump stops which in turn gave us a much better ride quality.
@@WanderingWagners Thanks for the response.
With static load less than the rated capacity of the springs the axle shouldn't be even close to touching the bump stops, and that would certainly make ride terrible. Perhaps they are not really bump stops, which are rubber blocks between the axle housing and the frame; those should only touch as a last resort to keep the axle from hitting the frame. There are add-on products (from companies such as Timbren) which are polyurethane springs mounted in the bump stop location; those are much longer and are intended to contact and assist the springs well before a bump stop would hit. I'm wondering if you're actually talking about the secondary leaf (or leaves) rather than bump stops, but I'm not sure if your International had a primary and secondary leaf system - the LiquidSpring installation manual for the International 4300/4400/MV607 doesn't show them.
The secondary leaf pack is also called the second stage, or overload leaves. Those secondary leaves are attached to the axle and main pack at the middle but the ends are free until enough compression brings the ends into contact with brackets on the frame midway between the axle and the main pack spring hangers (in the case of secondary leaves on top of the primary pack) or into contact with the main pack (in the case of secondary leaves under the primary pack). An unloaded truck rides with the secondary leaves out of contact so they're not active (so it's softer), then those extra leaves become active (start working because the ends hit) near full load. An RV is always nearly fully loaded (because the coach body is the load), so this two-stage behaviour doesn't make as much sense as it does in a typical truck.
I'm thinking that you may have gone from sitting on the 15,500 pound spring sets with the secondary packs engaged all of the time to sitting on the 18,500 pound springs sets with only the primary leaf packs engaged so it was actually softer at your load... but without seeing your leaf setup, that's only a guess.
I wonder how much the neighbors hate Liquid Spring for using their residential roads as a test track for heavy vehicles?
I don't think anyone minds. They are public roads👍🏻
counted 15 beers in the fridge
There's more lol pretty much the entire bottom shelf is beer😂🍺
@@WanderingWagners At least I didn't see bud light, that stuff is bland
Haha I agree!
How much was it for them for just in the back
When we got them installed they were running around $12k but that was almost 2 years ago so unsure what it is now. Either way, they're worth it to protect your RV investment!
In other words it NOT A 38 FOOT THOMAS YELLOW SCHOOL BUS RIDE . Or riding a HARDTAIL 1948 HAEY DAVISON
WITHOUT SPRINGS AND SHOCKS ? ?
Haha not anymore it's not!🥳 when we first bought it new, it was BAD!
Good video 😃 great rig I would have up grade to new rig with air ride I don't like adding up grade to suspension if it wasn't built with adequate suspension from factory I will not buy that rig but I guess you won't know drive it
Liquid spring is definitely better than air ride! The future will be systems like this vs spring or air. Keep in mind this chassis is a commercial truck chassis and not necessarily a RV chassis so from the factory they don't know what the chassis will be used for.
Nexus ghost is air ride. However we'd rather have the Wraith with liquid spring!
What is the 2 lift and drop measurement per setting at the rear axle?
It goes up and down 3" from the normal setting
Air Ride is a passive system, whereas Liquid Spring is an active system.
Exactly! It's "smart" and monitors and adjusts. Springs and air don't do that.
so who,s looking in the back window ? you can see a forehead eye and nose...Glad you like your ride.
What's the time stamp?
@@WanderingWagners I saw it also. 23:30 It looks like some kind of horror show character
Pretty sure it's just a reflection of stuff on the bed since the bedroom light is on
Rolls roys have licvid and its the best
Very interesting
I see them windmills every day...u must of been on highway 30
The windmills coming into Ohio were on US24, the windmills after we left liquid Spring was on I65 in Indiana
TECHNOLOGY FRIGHTENS AND ANGERS ME
That ok. Just embrace it! You can do it😁
That must be why you refuse to use the Caps Lock key properly... but you're still using a computer, so you must not be that afraid or angry. 😂
Everything I've driven with liquid spring it is far superior
Thanks for the info! This is the only thing we've driven with it but it was great compared to the air vehicles
Changing height at just the rear suspension doesn't seem very useful compared to a four-wheel system.
They don't have a front system for this chassis yet. They are still designing one. It's made a big difference!
@@WanderingWagners I realize that, but the lack of ability to change front height takes away a significant advantage (for an RV application) that a full system would have. Of course it still has a portion of the ride and handling advantages, with the system on only the rear axle.
I use a cut pool noodle in the microwave
After Liquid Springs we can leave the turntable in and it's quiet🤩
Oh yea liquid spring is way above air ride. Best you can get in my opinion.
We agree it's at the top of the game for sure
Do they do cars, want my car to ride like a Cadillac
I don't believe they do cars but they have done a select few pickup trucks
Kinda like comparing Ford ride to a GM ride.
Ford rides like a truck, GM rides like a nice car.
Yes, That's pretty accurate!
What’s that cost to have done
It can vary depending on your rig but for something like ours $12k
@@WanderingWagners holy cow not cheap
No it's not! We are hoping it'll force us to keep this rig longer than we normally keep them lol
Ok. How much did it cost you?
About 12k
@@WanderingWagners lately you have been discussing adding solar systems. What was your deciding factor to invest in liquid springs first? Is it because your camping is normally w full hook ups and not much boondocking? Thanks much. Safe travels.
We travel a lot and for the basic "health and longevity" of the rig, suspension takes a much higher priority than solar. Plus, we would only add a"small" solar system. We almost never have full hookups but we usually have electric sites because that's how it is in this side of the country, even so, the suspension takes priority. No need to have the roads literally beat up the coach any more than they have to, if that makes sense.
@@WanderingWagners totally does. Especially if the refrigerator door keeps falling off during travel days. You guys are doing great work and your content is relevant and fun to watch. Keep it going Wagners
Thank you so much!😁👏🏻
Your viewers might be interested in the cost on your rig.
I added it to the description when I realized this was left out🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ $12k but a lot of rigs (including Nexus now) can have it added at purchase from the factory which is really nice IMO!
Im sure the people in the neighborhood appreciate you hauling ass thru there….. jack wagon.
😂 we weren't speeding but thanks
@talonpilot likes to eat a Snickers bar upside down to get that veiny texture on his tongue.
@@Mr_Nathan_Higgers_esq the fact that you know what the ‘veiny texture’ feels like is suspect and that you have found ways to duplicate it when you cant use the real thing is strange at best. Nice try Nathan but once you admit to being a cock sucker, you will always be one.
THAT IS NOT USER FRIENDLY ,,TO LOW HARD TO LOCATE THE BUTTONS IF YOU CAN MAKE THEM OUT,THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT THE UNIT HIGHER ON THE DASH, WAY TO SMALL TO READ SAFELY .
Maybe they'll mount it somewhere else upon request but it works great for us!
Indiana roads SUCK!!!! Nice seeing Mike in front of the camera again. Nice upgrade ballers!
Plenty of roads flat out suck! Which is why we wanted this upgrade with all the travel we do😁
We're looking at possibly buying a used (2018-2020) Ghost and correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, they all come with air ride from the factory so I can't imagine LS making that much of a difference. Not as much as you experienced going from standard shocks and springs to LS, I mean.
What do you think?
There are quite a few people switching from air ride to liquid spring. Air is better than spring. But nothing can beat liquid spring. The fact that the Wraith has hydraulic brakes was another selling point for me. That's just my preference though.