Ooh yeah! Cool you're going ahead with the rear steer axle. It steers nice and tight. I'm sorry if iv'e missed it but could you tell us the make and model of the tractor and or the make and model of the axle? Would love to get a hold of one for myself. Greetings from the Netherlands, Mark
To check the actual engine compression it's best to disconnect the valves to eliminate the decompressor it if has one. If the compression vastly improved if you put oil down the cylinder then the rings are worn. I didn't see much smoke coming out of the exhaust so I'd be surprised if the bore and rings were badly worn.
Those engines have an automatic compression release so when you are starting the engine it has low compression for the starter to turn it but when it starts running the compression release disables and then it will actually have compression
I mentioned that as a consideration in part one however these don't have the compression release on the camshaft like the OHV engines. Are you sure they have one?
They might not have them personally I haven’t ever taken apart one of these flat heads i just asumed they have the one on the cam because I don’t think it would even fire with 12psi of compression lol
Doesn’t have a compression release just has a grind on closing intake valve late. Also the reason for the low leak down test and compression test was most likely stuck rings and valve stuck or a carbon build up on valves
@@MachineryRestorer all I/C flathead 12hp briggs have decompression, they either have the cam lever, or they have a special cam grind that causes a tiny leak while the engine moves slow, but not enough to be a problem at higher RPM
I think you should attempt a full rebuild I believe you can do it with all of your knowledge very good video it was a great one to watch on a weekend with my coffee and daughter
I had a mower almost EXACTLY like this one from 1997 to 2011. It was a White 38" cut by MTD. Briggs motor eventually had a piston ring break. It was a great mower for 14 years though.
That is fantastic! You inspired me to find a mower just like that old rusty thing. I would love to see a professional (yourself) restore such a far gone mower. I also have a deck like that Swiss cheese deck. Again, that would be great to see you use plates of 12 gauge steel and butt weld that deck back from the dead. That is such a cool mower. It was a zero turn before there were zero turns. I am just guessing but I am thinking it may be worth a keen bit if restored to almost pristine condition. I am also looking for a Yanmar diesel 10 horsepower to swap into a mower. You are such a great inspiration . thank you.
I can't imagine that engine would run at 25 PSI cylinder compression as well as it does. I'd be shocked if it didn't have some compression release for starting. Thanks for following up and redoing the leak down and compression test.
i love watching your videos! part one was Great. but part two is Awesome! i live in Maine (u.s.a.). i have never seen a ride on mower that you can steer all four wheels.
The emergency tyre leak fix (the latex stuff) I find works really well on lawn tractor tyres and other things (like wheelbarrow and sack cart wheels). A single can can usually do a whole bunch of things. Wouldn't trust it on the road, but for a garden tractor good enough.
11:36 Yup. That's a flathead Briggs for ya. 30 pounds and it flashes right up, runs like a swiss watch. It'd be interesting to see it on a dyno(I'd almost guarantee it's making a mere fraction of the power it's rated at; my bet is 10hp) but they just do not die. Hell it'd prolly still cut just fine if the deck was operable.
Love these old long stroke engines. Little bit of work and they will run forever. Too much electronics in modern engines. Loving the 4 wheel steering, never seen that before, will get you into anywhere.
We got those same machines over here in America, but I don't recall ever getting 4 wheel steer, and I can confirm, the turning radius was crap...I still have one out back that runs, I just never use it or can get anyone to pay me $150 for it
Those multiple speed systems are just the norm for these old mowers, but yeah, it would be kinda cool to get the old rear ear box working, then put it on the front of another tractor for 4x4. It’ll be a challenge, but it can be done.
And here was me thinking it would only be me messing round on a ride on in the snow lol, that fwd and steering looks like it could be a nice project dude
If this engine does have an ACR (automatic compression release), owner says it doesn't, it would be reading 50-60 psi for running and low compression. 30 psi with no ACR and running is unheard of. It is crazy.
Part 1 of a 4x4 lawn mower. I haven't even finished the video and I am dying to see this I love your videos but the idea of you custom building a mower sign me up yes please.
Wow didn't know that old of machine had rear steer that's kool iv been looking for a tractor like that so I could do a 4 wheel diesel mower. Great find
Hi, love your channels and enjoy your style of restoration videos, keep up the good work. I wondered, could you recommend a ride on mower to restore please. I want to restore a mower with my boys, teach them how it works etc and maybe one day race one. Want a mower that parts are readily available for but not necessarily run of the mill. Any advice welcomed, thank you.
Such a shame that an interesting machine was allowed to rust away. Great job resurrecting the engine and 4 wheel steering. Loving the Westwood, good news there too. Love the way they paired the Italian diesel with what looks like a stitched "leather wrapped" wheel 😂😂
I doubt the compression is actually that low on the 12hp briggs, it's hard to get them to spin fast enough to completely deactivate the compression release mechanism with the starter motor. Good video though and it was cool seeing a 4 wheel steer mower in action, especially one that anyone else would have simply thrown away.
You might as well trash the deck. But, if you rebuild the engine, perhaps you could make a cheap snow plow or a garden tiller or some other useful gadget out of it.
Gday daggerwin, I just stumbled across this channel today, and I'm really enjoying it. just a question, Once you have finished restoring a project do you hold on to it or do you sell it?
Would it help to spray a little oil in the cylinder? The old mower wants to live. I am almost wanting you to keep it intact. See if you can find a replacement deck . I don’t know how solid the frame is.
0:19 yeah that's a flathead Briggs for ya. They can be so badly fucked up you question how it can even rotate and still run just fine. Basically unkillable engines.
i have never even heard of a 4WS riding mower let alone one with active 4WS. But stil great video as useal and i would love to see that rearaxel being used in a 4WD offroad mower of some sort.
That rear steer axle/gearbox is not the best for a front axle due to not having constant velocity joints on the drive shaft. Would do a lot of scrubbing on the frontwheels if allowed to turn more than what it does as a rear mount. if used as is, turning circle would be big. but that can be sorted if one was going to do this 4 wd thing.
You inspire because I need money and want to fix lawn equipment and sell them and there’s a shed that’s at my moms house that needs a little tlc and it would be a perfect shop for this stuff
-1 C weather oh what I have missed you. 3 weeks of straight Cold here in Sweden now. I just came home from watching people play around with their cars on the lake. 36 cm ice now :). Might go out there with a friend with my car and drift around too. ( don't think My ol partner mower would start now without some ether and a jumper pack) 😅
Yes those Briggs and Stratton engines are bomb proof we have got a ride on lawn mower without a deck but its used like a lawn tractor it'll pull anything and had no serious problems (touch wood)
@@katiehutchings4743 yeah we decided to take the deck off it about 4 years ago buts it’s been making tracks through the bush it’s entire life and after we took off the deck it’s been pulling logs in a little trailer. It’s steering went out a couple months back but we have a mower given to us for free that dosnt run anymore that I used for parts so I’m in the process Of getting it back to life
Hi yet another great video keep them up love them ....!!!! 🤔 what do you do with all of them when you've done ?? Great work 👍👍 Do you still play fs too ??
Part One - th-cam.com/video/ImgYQRxqaI0/w-d-xo.html
Are you still using your chinese diesel heater? Are you satisfied?
@@Andy_83_SWE Yes seems ok
These are soo satisfying dagger, i love these vids! Thanks for sharing you’re hobby with us.
Ooh yeah! Cool you're going ahead with the rear steer axle. It steers nice and tight.
I'm sorry if iv'e missed it but could you tell us the make and model of the tractor and or the make and model of the axle?
Would love to get a hold of one for myself.
Greetings from the Netherlands, Mark
Plz do more odd job vids in your garden
A 4WD Drive mower would definitely be an interesting video. I've never seen one of those rear steer gearboxes.
To check the actual engine compression it's best to disconnect the valves to eliminate the decompressor it if has one. If the compression vastly improved if you put oil down the cylinder then the rings are worn. I didn't see much smoke coming out of the exhaust so I'd be surprised if the bore and rings were badly worn.
You have got so far with it so surely it deserves a restoration even without the deck just as a lawn tractor or turn it into a hot rod mower
Delighted to see you get this mower running great work
Those engines have an automatic compression release so when you are starting the engine it has low compression for the starter to turn it but when it starts running the compression release disables and then it will actually have compression
I mentioned that as a consideration in part one however these don't have the compression release on the camshaft like the OHV engines. Are you sure they have one?
They might not have them personally I haven’t ever taken apart one of these flat heads i just asumed they have the one on the cam because I don’t think it would even fire with 12psi of compression lol
@@coltonbaird7037 Ah ok yeah I don’t think the flat head engines have them. Still amazed how well it ran
Doesn’t have a compression release just has a grind on closing intake valve late. Also the reason for the low leak down test and compression test was most likely stuck rings and valve stuck or a carbon build up on valves
@@MachineryRestorer all I/C flathead 12hp briggs have decompression, they either have the cam lever, or they have a special cam grind that causes a tiny leak while the engine moves slow, but not enough to be a problem at higher RPM
I think you should attempt a full rebuild I believe you can do it with all of your knowledge very good video it was a great one to watch on a weekend with my coffee and daughter
yea, its just not worth it money wise other than for making videos, which may then make it worth it lool
A look inside the gearbox would be interesting. 👍
Probably gears and bobs with grease all over them!
I had a mower almost EXACTLY like this one from 1997 to 2011. It was a White 38" cut by MTD. Briggs motor eventually had a piston ring break. It was a great mower for 14 years though.
Great job 👏 👍 most satisfying
That diesel Westwood is a great old mower, I’m glad it found its way to you 👍
Just soak the entire tractor in a hundred or so gallon tank of PB blaster lol
That is fantastic! You inspired me to find a mower just like that old rusty thing. I would love to see a professional (yourself) restore such a far gone mower. I also have a deck like that Swiss cheese deck. Again, that would be great to see you use plates of 12 gauge steel and butt weld that deck back from the dead. That is such a cool mower. It was a zero turn before there were zero turns. I am just guessing but I am thinking it may be worth a keen bit if restored to almost pristine condition. I am also looking for a Yanmar diesel 10 horsepower to swap into a mower. You are such a great inspiration . thank you.
You might as well start from scratch at that point - and there are people that already do for certain models to order - just transpose your parts.
You should build one of those racing mowers daggerwin, that would be awesome
Thanks for showing us the follow up on the Compression and leak down
Do you keep your lawnmowers when you restore them?
I would love to see a four-wheel drive lawn mower that be amazingly cool
I love this channel
Seeing that thing move and the 4 wheel steering working was real cool, I’ve never seen anything like it.
Intresting mower! I have never seen one like that before
I would love to see a. 4. Wheel drive mower..i could actually use one..
I like the diesel mower too..does it have a deck ?
No deck at the moment but I will be getting one for it
@@MachineryRestorer I'm sure everyone will be waiting and watching...happy hunting..Cheers 🍻🍻🍻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I can't imagine that engine would run at 25 PSI cylinder compression as well as it does. I'd be shocked if it didn't have some compression release for starting.
Thanks for following up and redoing the leak down and compression test.
That rear steering is cool. I would love to see a project where you make a 4 wheel drive mower!
I love the engine in that Westwood I need that in my tractor over here in the US!
You could find an oil filter that also has a non return valve built in. Would slow or even stop the leak back.
Would love to see this old girl restored 👍👍👍👍👍 4 wheel steering is cool
Go for it mate. In for a penny,in for a pound. 👍
Lol nice! Love the 4 wheel steer
i love watching your videos! part one was Great. but part two is Awesome! i live in Maine (u.s.a.). i have never seen a ride on mower that you can steer all four wheels.
I would love to see a 4 wheel drive mud mower. This would be a awesome project.
The emergency tyre leak fix (the latex stuff) I find works really well on lawn tractor tyres and other things (like wheelbarrow and sack cart wheels). A single can can usually do a whole bunch of things. Wouldn't trust it on the road, but for a garden tractor good enough.
11:36 Yup. That's a flathead Briggs for ya. 30 pounds and it flashes right up, runs like a swiss watch. It'd be interesting to see it on a dyno(I'd almost guarantee it's making a mere fraction of the power it's rated at; my bet is 10hp) but they just do not die. Hell it'd prolly still cut just fine if the deck was operable.
You should try and find another 4-wheel steer and make a 4 wheel drive- 4 wheel steer mower
Love the mower
Love these old long stroke engines. Little bit of work and they will run forever. Too much electronics in modern engines. Loving the 4 wheel steering, never seen that before, will get you into anywhere.
Great video I was shocked that even moved awesome job
Another wonderful video, thank you.
You make very informative and entertaining videos! Thank you!
Saludos Machinery tu canal es de lo mejor :)
The diesel sounds a bit like a 2cv at idle. They both run like happy little engines. Nice.
Great video, I'd love it if they were longer. Make a 4 wheel steer WRM (World Rally Mower) racer out of the old rusty mower...
We got those same machines over here in America, but I don't recall ever getting 4 wheel steer, and I can confirm, the turning radius was crap...I still have one out back that runs, I just never use it or can get anyone to pay me $150 for it
Those multiple speed systems are just the norm for these old mowers, but yeah, it would be kinda cool to get the old rear ear box working, then put it on the front of another tractor for 4x4. It’ll be a challenge, but it can be done.
i like the mud mower idea
I don’t think a lot of people know it’s daggerwin
i knew the voice sounded familiar😂
Welcome back to the farm
And here was me thinking it would only be me messing round on a ride on in the snow lol, that fwd and steering looks like it could be a nice project dude
most briggs engines over about 5.5hp have a decompression mechanisim on the cam, designed for easy starting, so a compression test wont work
Very cool Tractor I love the four wheel steering, would love to see you build a four-wheel-drive mower
Air leakage through the breather tells a leaking intake valve. Compression test isn't accurate because of the compression release at cranking RPM.
If this engine does have an ACR (automatic compression release), owner says it doesn't, it would be reading 50-60 psi for running and low compression. 30 psi with no ACR and running is unheard of. It is crazy.
Part 1 of a 4x4 lawn mower. I haven't even finished the video and I am dying to see this I love your videos but the idea of you custom building a mower sign me up yes please.
These videos are great. I’d love to take on a ride on mower project in the future. I just don’t have the experience at the minute. Maybe one day!
I have never seen a four wheel steering tractor style lawn mower. That's pretty cool.
I only wish these were longer, love it
That would be amazing 4WD mower!
Wow didn't know that old of machine had rear steer that's kool iv been looking for a tractor like that so I could do a 4 wheel diesel mower. Great find
Hi, love your channels and enjoy your style of restoration videos, keep up the good work. I wondered, could you recommend a ride on mower to restore please. I want to restore a mower with my boys, teach them how it works etc and maybe one day race one. Want a mower that parts are readily available for but not necessarily run of the mill. Any advice welcomed, thank you.
Such a shame that an interesting machine was allowed to rust away. Great job resurrecting the engine and 4 wheel steering. Loving the Westwood, good news there too. Love the way they paired the Italian diesel with what looks like a stitched "leather wrapped" wheel 😂😂
Trottle blad has to be fully open for a compresson test. Also need to have oil to max level on 2 stroke engines
I'd like to see how that engine as it stands handles real work.
Great video.
That’s really cool
You should build a race lawn mower with one of the lawn mowers you have sitting around.
Wish my mowers had four wheel stearing .i love it
I doubt the compression is actually that low on the 12hp briggs, it's hard to get them to spin fast enough to completely deactivate the compression release mechanism with the starter motor. Good video though and it was cool seeing a 4 wheel steer mower in action, especially one that anyone else would have simply thrown away.
You might as well trash the deck. But, if you rebuild the engine, perhaps you could make a cheap snow plow or a garden tiller or some other useful gadget out of it.
Just found your channel. Very interesting stuff on it. Great job👍
You should definitely make a 4 wheel drive mud mower
Nothing like old tractors equipped with armstrong steering.
Very interesting. Where do u find all these old mowers
I like your commentary mate. Stick with it. If you want to reduce an episode down then cut it . But I prefer you explaining your process.
The compression test on these engines are normally 25-35 they were made to release compression
Great video
What editor do you use? Great video. Cannot wait to watch your videos every time you upload
oh man that rear end be so freaking perfect for a 4x4 buid
Oh yeah! Haha
Do have the throttle all the way open when doing a compression test?
Gday daggerwin, I just stumbled across this channel today, and I'm really enjoying it.
just a question, Once you have finished restoring a project do you hold on to it or do you sell it?
Thanks, I usually keep restorations
Nice vid mate! Would be cool to see a 4wd mower!
Would it help to spray a little oil in the cylinder? The old mower wants to live. I am almost wanting you to keep it intact. See if you can find a replacement deck . I don’t know how solid the frame is.
Can you do a 2021 set up tour
Awesome another video from you watching now :)
We need a good restoration series again
0:19 yeah that's a flathead Briggs for ya. They can be so badly fucked up you question how it can even rotate and still run just fine. Basically unkillable engines.
i have never even heard of a 4WS riding mower let alone one with active 4WS. But stil great video as useal and i would love to see that rearaxel being used in a 4WD offroad mower of some sort.
Putting the rusty engine to a hard task I bet it would start to smoke quite a lot
That rear steer axle/gearbox is not the best for a front axle due to not having constant velocity joints on the drive shaft. Would do a lot of scrubbing on the frontwheels if allowed to turn more than what it does as a rear mount. if used as is, turning circle would be big. but that can be sorted if one was going to do this 4 wd thing.
maybe you should salvage the pulleys from the deck? could use them on something else. lovely vid
You inspire because I need money and want to fix lawn equipment and sell them and there’s a shed that’s at my moms house that needs a little tlc and it would be a perfect shop for this stuff
Very forgiving engines indeed. A Briggs Hallmark
I don't know these engines at all but could this have a decompression mechanism during starting?
Yes although 29psi still seems very low even with a compression release.
I have always wanted to take a all wheel steer tractor and make a 4x4
-1 C weather oh what I have missed you. 3 weeks of straight Cold here in Sweden now. I just came home from watching people play around with their cars on the lake. 36 cm ice now :). Might go out there with a friend with my car and drift around too.
( don't think My ol partner mower would start now without some ether and a jumper pack) 😅
Just amazing!
im failing school i should be doing work but your channel is absolutely amazing
Try the compression test with wide open throttle. That makes a difference for me with the old Briggs engines.
My Old Bolens SX120 has the same 12HP briggs motor just needs some wiring and itll be driving again
Yes those Briggs and Stratton engines are bomb proof we have got a ride on lawn mower without a deck but its used like a lawn tractor it'll pull anything and had no serious problems (touch wood)
@@katiehutchings4743 yeah we decided to take the deck off it about 4 years ago buts it’s been making tracks through the bush it’s entire life and after we took off the deck it’s been pulling logs in a little trailer. It’s steering went out a couple months back but we have a mower given to us for free that dosnt run anymore that I used for parts so I’m in the process Of getting it back to life
Please could you do a tour of your all the machinery you own
Hi yet another great video keep them up love them ....!!!!
🤔 what do you do with all of them when you've done ??
Great work 👍👍
Do you still play fs too ??
Italian tune up?
This would make a great mud mower. If it were mine I fabricate a Willys JEEP LOOK.