Heathen vs Pagan

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  • @kristinreid5033
    @kristinreid5033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    My ancestors are America's Indigenous people. We were called heathens, savages, red devils etc. I'm quite proud of my heathen ancestry.

    • @danyellerobinson5940
      @danyellerobinson5940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      American Indigenous are Animists.

    • @kristinreid5033
      @kristinreid5033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@danyellerobinson5940 Yep

    • @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger
      @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      A "pagan" is generally anyone who is non-Abrahamic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and/or polytheistic in their religious/spiritual/cultural path, like Hindus and Buddhists, just to name the most well known. "Heathen" is specifically referring to those practitioners of pre-Christian Germanic Tribal religion, be it historical reconstructionism or any of the New Age groups (Asatru, AFA, Troth, TAC, etc.). And of course, both "pagan" AND "heathen" (lower-case H) have evolved over centuries to be derogatory terms used as a means to remind/reinforce the supposed inferiority of anyone who is not a follower of "the BIG three" Abrahamic faiths mentioned above. Hope this helps to clear things up for everyone reading this.
      Added for Kristin: there is a common connection between most ancient tribal religions, and that is ancestor veneration. It's what connects us to our path. I have much respect for the Natives here in the USA for their pow wows and cultural education, as they are connected to their ancestors. I have always appreciated Native American culture from boyhood on (the old "cowboys and Indians" game), and while serving in the US Air Force, I was the committee president/member for our local National American Indian Heritage Month each year in VA and ID. I have zero Native blood, but 100% Native respect.

    • @kristinreid5033
      @kristinreid5033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@HroduuulfSonOfHrodger sending you lots of love. Thank you xx

    • @jinusrafezadeh3335
      @jinusrafezadeh3335 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Respect to our indigenous natives in North America , May you thrive and bless us
      With your wisdom and teachings . Your rich culture is our savior.

  • @rodneycox1476
    @rodneycox1476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    I figure saying "Pagan" or "Heathen" is easier than saying "Practitioner of indigenous Northern European religion."

    • @behemitch8287
      @behemitch8287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      We can shorten that to 'Piner'. Voila, new word.

    • @Fae_nnec
      @Fae_nnec 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@behemitch8287 that's what i was about to say lmao

    • @DiscordianBeats
      @DiscordianBeats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "P.I.N.E.R. if you will"

    • @rodneycox1476
      @rodneycox1476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@behemitch8287 Sure, why not?

    • @NickyLindolls
      @NickyLindolls 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Love this! 🤣🥰

  • @AdrianKingsleyHughes
    @AdrianKingsleyHughes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Great video, Arith. Here in Wales, I've heard the phrase "the old ways" used instead of pagan or heathen. I quite like it, but I don't think it will catch on.

    • @colinp2238
      @colinp2238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It is a common saying and has been for many years.

    • @mrhfrc8470
      @mrhfrc8470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Croeso! Dw i mwynhau dysgu Cymraeg.

    • @artemisios
      @artemisios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mos Maiorvm 😉

    • @lowwastehighmelanin
      @lowwastehighmelanin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like it. It sounds pleasant.

    • @jaygarrison7848
      @jaygarrison7848 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Among some Native American Tribes that's the way things have always been described.

  • @richardcook2970
    @richardcook2970 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Don’t worry, there are plenty of us out here without our heads stuck in the sand. Thanks for the great video.

  • @IainMcGirr
    @IainMcGirr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This is one of the most elegant and well portrayed version and statements I have ever heard.. Considering that English is also not your native language is adding to the respect of your statements. Well said and could not have said it better myself.. I just dont bother telling anyone anymore my "belief" or "world view" simply because its wasted.

  • @My_Druid_journey.
    @My_Druid_journey. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I once was called a godless heathen by a "cough" man of the cloth.(christian).
    I politely responded with " while I'm not godless, I have many more gods than you do"
    Followed by "But I am a Heathen".

    • @epic6434
      @epic6434 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Man of the cloth ? You would have to of made an appearance in church for this to have to be true so you are a heathen for lying is what has made you honest for sharing.

    • @joshualuke7003
      @joshualuke7003 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And then everyone clapped

    • @KateryReminiec9399
      @KateryReminiec9399 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A man of the cloth usually means that he's a Catholic

    • @My_Druid_journey.
      @My_Druid_journey. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@epic6434 read my update and decide for yourself

    • @noone3216
      @noone3216 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@epic6434 a person needs not ever step foot inside a church to know that a "man of the cloth" is a phrase that refers to a Christian, whatever flavour they may be.

  • @dragowolfx
    @dragowolfx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    all pre abrahamic native cultures share a common root we indians call it sanatana culture a super set of all kinds of school s of thought.....its nice to see europeans re descovering thier native heritage

  • @Namahatas
    @Namahatas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    4 years already!? Congratulations! Also thanks for another awesome video

  • @blackholebrain1264
    @blackholebrain1264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks Arith, I really appreciate how thorough you are in your explanations on these subjects. Your great patience in revealing all these hidden truths is phenomenal. Keep up the good work.

  • @keeperoftruth5951
    @keeperoftruth5951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I prefer being called a heathen, and my spirituality I personally call Heathenry. Great video

    • @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger
      @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A "pagan" is generally anyone who is non-Abrahamic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and/or polytheistic in their religious/spiritual/cultural path, like Hindus and Buddhists, just to name the most well known. "Heathen" is specifically referring to those practitioners of pre-Christian Germanic/Norse Tribal religion, be it historical reconstructionism or any of the New Age groups (Asatru, AFA, Troth, TAC, etc.). And of course, both "pagan" AND "heathen" (lower-case H) have evolved over centuries to be derogatory terms used as a means to remind/reinforce the supposed inferiority of anyone who is not a follower of "the BIG three" Abrahamic faiths mentioned above. Hope this helps to clear things up for everyone reading this.

    • @wolfmauler
      @wolfmauler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@HroduuulfSonOfHrodger I don't think Buddhists or Hindus consider themselves Pagan. After all, their purpose is to transcend the world and their physical selves in order to graduate to another dimension and ultimately become a God.

    • @andrewwinchel4659
      @andrewwinchel4659 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HroduuulfSonOfHrodger you didn't comprehend this video, did you?

    • @TheDarkon055
      @TheDarkon055 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HroduuulfSonOfHrodger I think you got that backwards my friend

    • @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger
      @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wolfmauler I'm saying to a Christian, if you are not a believer in their Abrahamic faiths, you are considered a pagan (and sometimes a heathen with a little "h"). I don't call people pagan. I could care less. All I care about is my Heathen (big "H") path of the Germanic and Nordic tribes.

  • @alysmarcus7747
    @alysmarcus7747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Wow - wow wow --- i just went to that mans' page and listened to a poem song - He is wonderful - thank you Arith for telling us about him

  • @TheNaturalLawInstitute
    @TheNaturalLawInstitute 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Arith: 1) I love that you're distinguishing between world accepting and world-denying (and I think that subject needs more attention), 2) In addition, maybe you could address man's relation to gods and nature whether victim, competitor, or peer 3) In my work on religion I distinguish between informal natural (heathen), formal archetypal(pagan), and institutional authoritarian (artificial monotheistic) religion. But this only demarcates by formality. -thank you for your work.

    • @frankmueller2781
      @frankmueller2781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The Abrahamic Faiths are *NOT* truly monotheistic. The Commandments of Moses do not say "There are no other gods," but rather "Thou shalt have no other gods *before me."*

    • @TheNaturalLawInstitute
      @TheNaturalLawInstitute 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@frankmueller2781 Sure, that's the original Jewish. Tell that the Christians and Muslims. ;) Severity increased as Abrahamism evolved.
      Islam is the natural consequence of supernatural Abrahamism just as marxism, communism, socialism, neo-marxism, pomo, pc-woke, hbd-denial, crtical race theory, anti-whiteness, are the natural consequence of pseudoscientific abrahamism.
      Both the first montheistic religions of the zoroastrians and the fully monotheistic religions of the abrahamic old world and finally the new world are the same: They are rebellions against evolution by the indo european peoples, and their success at discovery, adaptation to, and application of the laws of the universe, especially the 'gentle' genetic pacification and domestication of less evolved peoples by continuing natural selection using market meritocracy in every aspect of life.
      Sophistry, philosophy, and theology ask us to believe a thing is what it claims, rather than the results of its claims.
      A thing is not what it claims any more than an individual behaves as he claims, or even believes as he claims.
      A thing is what it does.

    • @censoreverything8072
      @censoreverything8072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TheNaturalLawInstitute “the consequence of supernatural Abrahamism just as Marxism, communism, socialism...”
      Yes! I’ve been thinking about that for a while now. It seems so obvious, yet so close under our noses that many wouldn’t see. I didn’t know others thought the same. Is this a well researched area? Is there a term for it?

  • @brittanyash8340
    @brittanyash8340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Just found your channel and I love it. Very rich with content and I appreciate the balance of how you view everything.

  • @CorvidChaser
    @CorvidChaser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    For a job regarding Paganism teachings recently, I was asked to explain my religion - they told me I was into "heathenry" because of my beliefs and I was actually offended. You video explained why I felt that way.
    I've been learning so much from your videos, thank you for the informative uploads!

  • @lexknight2321
    @lexknight2321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you. I love hearing the historical facts behind what so many just take at face value and use freely without any thought to origins and true meaning.

  • @teresafigueiredo
    @teresafigueiredo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Congratulations for all your work, could here say so many things about the so much I have learned, but I think I could not describe with justice.
    Thank you for continuing, please continue!! 🤗

  • @lmcg9103
    @lmcg9103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Greetings from Dallas Texas. Thank you for your channel 💖

  • @lilykatmoon4508
    @lilykatmoon4508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude, you crack me up! I like how you just matter of factor just slip in little literal statements into your dialogue. The one that made me pause to laugh and type this was when you said that the first question you’re a,ways asked is Hi Arithmetic, how are you? And the second question is …. Very subtle humor. 🤣

  • @joshualove1403
    @joshualove1403 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is beautifully in-depth and academic! Thank you

  • @gaymalewitch
    @gaymalewitch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would love to hear you and Ocean Keltoi have a discussion over this.
    You both are learned men and the similarities and differences would be fascinating.

  • @juggaloscrub365
    @juggaloscrub365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video and topic as always my friend. I've been watching for 4 years and you have definitely helped me learn about the different paths laid out before me. I'm still stumbling a bit but thanks to your guidance I have a greater understanding of where I need to be. Thank you some much Arith

  • @johendrickson6689
    @johendrickson6689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for another quality video Arith

  • @antsquirly7654
    @antsquirly7654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You needed to do this years ago. Thank you.

  • @anthonyhudson3158
    @anthonyhudson3158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Congratulations on your fourth year. Love your content. Here’s to the next 4 years 👍

  • @roseblossom3048
    @roseblossom3048 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Morning tea on a rainy day with Yoda and Arith. Hey, Arith. How are you? Lol 😉
    Lovely yule tree.

  • @curtismiller8312
    @curtismiller8312 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks you for sharing, Loved the lesson and congratulations on 4 years.🙏✌

  • @dsala2614
    @dsala2614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    4 YEARS OF LEARNING...THANK YOU

  • @hekateon.ioannis.lasorsa
    @hekateon.ioannis.lasorsa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This definitely was a bit of an upgrade to the knowledge I had of both terms! Thanks for uploading!
    Though I'll admit to identifying as both / either in my past 10 years of practice 😅
    Though Heathen was used more among ourselves and the rest of the local overall pagan community

  • @phoebegraveyard7225
    @phoebegraveyard7225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was one of your best and most passionate videos. Well done, young man. Gud Yul!

    • @Mitchery
      @Mitchery 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      *God Jul

  • @cherylpump3372
    @cherylpump3372 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am enthralled by your knowledge. Thank you!!! And I love that you advise to question all sources.

  • @justinyakopatz6117
    @justinyakopatz6117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's been a long time since I have dropped you a line, but thank you Arith. I've been following the channel for maybe two and a half, to three years, prior to the four year anniversary. I'm glad to assume, through the lense of your camera, that you are doing well. I am even happier to see, that you have hardly changed. That whitch you have changed, again, since the beginning, only speaks to your growth, your quest for knowledge and understanding, and/or the reliance on you by others, as an authoritative source of information. I will never tire of your insight, nore your perspective, as many of us seek the answers, to the very same questions, that our ancestors asked. Keep digging my friend. Nienn blota, neinn sigr.

  • @sir.thunder4020
    @sir.thunder4020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow, caught this early! Great stuff, thanks Arith!

  • @mikeyrambo2742
    @mikeyrambo2742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I didn't know that you are a archeologist. That is amazing now I know why. Your videos are the best.

  • @johnhottinger2798
    @johnhottinger2798 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wonderful lecture. Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us. Hope you have a wonderful holiday season.

  • @lowwastehighmelanin
    @lowwastehighmelanin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very enjoyable video as usual! Thank you for another fascinating discourse. Arith! I always look forward to these, even if I haven’t had much time of late to be up to date.

  • @ohnoajellyfish
    @ohnoajellyfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At this point in my journey I just call myself "frustrated". But the feet trudge on.

  • @WitnessTrueSorcery
    @WitnessTrueSorcery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Arith, that was a fantastic presentation my friend. I also cannot deny that I have used the term "heathen" many times before to describe my belief system, but it's indeed very usefull to know the actual meaning behind it, instead of just attaching it to oneself or someone else's belief systems without having a clear idea where it comes from, what it means, and how it developed. Though, in the end we're all Animistic Heathen Pagans! :D Cheers buddy!

  • @melindaroop1346
    @melindaroop1346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Personally...I like the word "Pagan".

    • @je-freenorman7787
      @je-freenorman7787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like it real not pagan or religious
      Religion is Satanic

  • @dlmiller7873
    @dlmiller7873 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is outstanding, Arith. Thank you for your work.

  • @GH-cy6fh
    @GH-cy6fh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Perfect. I love how you get after the snobs. No one can define our personal identities and people say the darndest things on social media. They don't understand the difference between self actualization/empowerment and what to follow in their perosonal lives. And since the vast majority of us are white so they bring this intellectual snobbery which creates divisions. Even the "anti-fascist" types. In the world...I am a Norse pagan. When I'm mad at Christians...I am Heathen. In witch circles I am a Norse hedgewitch. My healing magic is shamanism. I also have Buddhist and Hindu influence in my life and I worship Gods outside the Norse/Germanic pantheon and it enriches my life. So eff off...all you simpletons who use arrogance to dictate their lives. Great video Arith...thanks.

  • @squirrel435
    @squirrel435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is a great video lecture. Thanks.

  • @rustybrooke9459
    @rustybrooke9459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank You Arith, I have added you to much of my studies. And you have been part of my Book of Shadows = Study Journal for quite some time. Thank You for the education. Rusty.

  • @augustcanyon3438
    @augustcanyon3438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You’re work is wonderful Arith! Love you! Keep up the great work.

  • @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
    @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was very informative. I'm in my journey as a Christian-pagan, and learning these differences helps. Very well explained and annunciated. I can tell english isn't your first language, but you video is well spoken.

    • @libertylovin2359
      @libertylovin2359 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mind to explain your beliefs?

    • @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
      @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@libertylovin2359 it's a it tricky to txt it.
      I try follow the ideas/concepts christ taught, I do consider the Christian God as the lead god. I do acknowledge other gods, whole also thinking they're all the same 1 god just differed by culture/language. I like the idea of referring to earth as "the goddess" though I don't necessarily think it's alive in the sense that you, me, or a deer are. But we were born of the earth as pagans believe. And technically Christians kinda do too, just not with the same understanding. And it makes sense why people use the phrase "mother earth." It is a pagan idea, just modified. That's just a more basic idea of what I follow. I do prefer to acknowledge yhwh and odin specifically.

  • @sarahgilbert8036
    @sarahgilbert8036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I'm ok with Heathen (with a capital H), as I see nothing wrong with the heath or nature overall. If the abrahamic see it as an insult, we're even!

    • @colinp2238
      @colinp2238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In my younger days I definitely was a heathen with or without a capital H, more notably in my time in the army.

    • @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger
      @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A "pagan" is generally anyone who is non-Abrahamic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and/or polytheistic in their religious/spiritual/cultural path, like Hindus and Buddhists, just to name the most well known. "Heathen" is specifically referring to those practitioners of pre-Christian Germanic/Norse Tribal religion, be it historical reconstructionism or any of the New Age groups (Asatru, AFA, Troth, TAC, etc.). And of course, both "pagan" AND "heathen" (lower-case H) have evolved over centuries to be derogatory terms used as a means to remind/reinforce the supposed inferiority of anyone who is not a follower of "the BIG three" Abrahamic faiths mentioned above. Hope this helps to clear things up for everyone reading this.

  • @alaskabornheathen8902
    @alaskabornheathen8902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Only 6 minutes in, I’m excited for the rest of the video. Sigurboði is awesome! I listen to some of his music and have heard him in a couple podcasts. You need to get on to the Nordic Mythology Podcast!! I think you’d have a good time, both Mathias and Daniel love to point out BS and find the truth of the matter just like you do, it’d be a wonderfully offensive time🤣
    Hope you’re well Arith. Happy Haligdaegs!

  • @mariahspringstead775
    @mariahspringstead775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the video, thank you. When I feel like I can't or shouldn't use the term "Pagan" to describe my spiritual practice to someone I often will say I have an "Earth Based" spiritual belief system.

    • @celestepalm6949
      @celestepalm6949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do the same thing, but personally I've no issue with the term 'Pagan.' I think some Heathens like Arith just don't want to be lumped in w/ the term 'Neo-Pagan' (another term I'm fine with) because it brings up stereotypes of supposedly clueless, new-agey, wiccan-wannabes, which is unfortunate. People have to start somewhere.

  • @stefaniaacquesta5884
    @stefaniaacquesta5884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Arith for this clarifying video!!!❤️

  • @emmullgn
    @emmullgn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was fascinating, thank you for the breakdown.

  • @bigbadwolfstudios1
    @bigbadwolfstudios1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how thorough you go about everything you talk about in your videos

  • @BlazeLeeDragon
    @BlazeLeeDragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Neo-Pagan, revival path, revival movement, old ways, new age. However lets face facts that most recognize "pagan" best. At the end of the day folks will use the term that they feel most comfortable with.
    However if we look at the areas that Norse and Scandinavian. Specially Iceland (as my grandmother is Icelandic and I have studied more of Icelandic lore which also has more written records). They didn't have a specific name. It was part of life. For example "goði" is sometimes translated as "priest" but also as "chief". It was a community leader. Sure there seems to be evidence of larger possible "temples" but most homes seem to have had their own house alter and "ritual" area.
    So the idea of no name seems to have been common in some cases. However as is the case most today seem to crave a name or label...one of the reasons I made my video on the subject of names and why it's not important.
    great video as always Arith.

    • @colinp2238
      @colinp2238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pagan is easier to type.

    • @BlazeLeeDragon
      @BlazeLeeDragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@colinp2238 how so? Old ways has one more letter and new age has the same :) but we are also talking about in video

    • @celestepalm6949
      @celestepalm6949 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BlazeLeeDragon I like Old Ways too, though I'm perfectly fine with Pagan. Arith seems more concerned with Heathen not being lumped in w/ Neo-Pagan.

    • @BlazeLeeDragon
      @BlazeLeeDragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@celestepalm6949 indeed

    • @celestepalm6949
      @celestepalm6949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BlazeLeeDragon How about Animism? I always figured it meant the same thing: a big umbrella /root term for all other spiritual paths. I prefer Animist myself.

  • @karenbehymer3634
    @karenbehymer3634 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy tree in the background. Appreciate the education in these matters. My own conclusions require input such as yours. Thank you!

  • @nephrenqayin254
    @nephrenqayin254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Arith, the first question also needs to be studied as well🤔😂. Putting this aside, this is a great video just like every video you have done. Thank you for this.

  • @joaquimteixeira8297
    @joaquimteixeira8297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Hey Arith , how are you?😄

  • @steakslapn9724
    @steakslapn9724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I wonder if the knowledge that Christianity has erased so many other beliefs of the past brings the Christians of today pride or shame.

    • @sarahgilbert8036
      @sarahgilbert8036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They don't realize, don't see that they've done anything wrong as they're "saving souls"

    • @laurap.3976
      @laurap.3976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Having been raised in the Deep South, I would classify it as a sort of religious ecstasy in some cases. The overwhelming “joy” and pride in “saving souls.” Having had my brush with organized religion before turning back to the more spiritual beliefs of my mother... It feels...Distasteful. Gleefully recounting the erasure of entire cultures and beliefs.

    • @jacquicampbell4799
      @jacquicampbell4799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think they see it as a good thing since their God is the one true God. They have no shame of erasing cultures on their path because they view that they have saved these people by showing them the "truth"

    • @limitedtime5471
      @limitedtime5471 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitely pride. they still want to do it, annihilate anything not Christian in our current (US) society. Talking about it in public means huge applause

  • @BrentTheGent1
    @BrentTheGent1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to say again that out of all i have found concerning this subject on YT that you Sir Arith are the most in depth and over all clear and well balanced to someone such as myself as we all know that there are plenty who want to be the best and not for the right reason's.
    Thank you again for another great explanation.

  • @violenceislife1987
    @violenceislife1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good morning Arith.
    Sometimes i use either term in reference to my beliefs depending on who I'm telling, as "Heathen" means something else to certain people.

    • @violenceislife1987
      @violenceislife1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      (Old people think it means rowdy)
      (Bikers think it means in a gang)

    • @wolfmauler
      @wolfmauler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      People usually think it means one who is "Godless"

    • @steakslapn9724
      @steakslapn9724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wolfmauler yes, I've heard most people use it in this context. Christians have stripped the meaning from the words in a way.

    • @yul498
      @yul498 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@steakslapn9724 in Russian language, pagan means very bad. I am sure Christian did this change of meaning.

  • @jessiesaunderson1727
    @jessiesaunderson1727 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for making this point .. truthful with out being disrespectful. You are right .. its easy to be part if the problem and complain about it .. its hard to be part of the solution.

  • @arachnocult
    @arachnocult 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Good video.
    Language is a living entity and sometimes derogatory terms are claimed by those they originally mocked (linguistic reappropriation). Due to this proclaiming yourself to be heathen might actually be empowering for some ;-)

  • @arcalime
    @arcalime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love your videos! So wise! (good decoration)

  • @nuclearmaga9694
    @nuclearmaga9694 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    again i must say..... a superb lecture.... thought provoking

  • @skyhighdiamonds910
    @skyhighdiamonds910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So insightful and really helpful, especially around world view ideas of animism, shamanism etc. Appreciated!

  • @spiral_heart8239
    @spiral_heart8239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just came across you channel a few days ago and I can not tell you how much I have been enjoying your videos. This one really gave me a lot to think about. I really enjoy your concise and thoughtful approach. Looking forward to digging around in the Archives :)

  • @aSandwich.13
    @aSandwich.13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I hate when I tell people in my city that I'm Pagan and then having to explain to them that no, not the biker gang.

    • @Mitchery
      @Mitchery 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂 😂

  • @dseelenmagie8811
    @dseelenmagie8811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really wish there was a super like button for when we watch videos over a few times to really absorb the information. Lol

  • @jodibohon9016
    @jodibohon9016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for sharing your Society 6 info in a recent video... I ordered The Forest of Nemetius, and it just arrived yesterday! Love it! ... I recommend people go check out your works! -- I didn't write down the link, but got there Googling Society 6 and searching by your name.

  • @hgriff14
    @hgriff14 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My name is Hayden and it so so cool to see the history of my name come alive like this. For the longest time I was stuck in the English translation but having mostly Germanic roots, the fiery heathen meaning is a lot more impressive of a story to tell throughout history than a barn for storing hay.

  • @TheGrayWolf11
    @TheGrayWolf11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fascinating video.
    Off topic but I’m curious, what is the word/phrase you use when ending your videos? I can never quite catch the pronunciation.

    • @crannogaughaire7261
      @crannogaughaire7261 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he might be saying, "Tak for i dag" or something like that. I'm not sure.

  • @bethlanders9148
    @bethlanders9148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have always used the term Pagan when describing my belief. I don’t think of it in negative terms.
    Thank you for trying to explain it.

  • @estebanmoline4962
    @estebanmoline4962 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A wonderful video ! As always thank you for these great lessons !! I am waiting for the video about Dagaz Rune! I hope you do it soon !!

  • @octobermoon9
    @octobermoon9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful and very informative video, thank you, Arith.

  • @denyse6666
    @denyse6666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    thank you for these explanations it was most informative ! I really do not like to label myself, I am not keen on boxes , but as the old saying goes ' a rose by any other name will still smell as sweet ' :)

  • @savai646
    @savai646 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting. Now: Hey, Arith. How are you? 🤔 Also, blessed 4th channelversary 💙💜

  • @AmandaIbraimovic
    @AmandaIbraimovic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As usual, amazing video. THANK YOU

  • @ericthegrey4772
    @ericthegrey4772 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another great video Arith.

  • @tiffanyalexandria9480
    @tiffanyalexandria9480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow. cool video. so glad I finished the entire video I feel so filled with a wealth of knowledge now. 💜 I have Sami background on my mom's side. Im looking more into this Heidr.

  • @samuelnewman4359
    @samuelnewman4359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Here in America some of the natives speak as the ones that follow The Ancient Paths.

    • @lowwastehighmelanin
      @lowwastehighmelanin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *stares in Native* you claiming to speak for us? cause um...no.

    • @gnostic268
      @gnostic268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      True. There is no designated "Native" who can speak for all 567+ tribal nations and to say there are random "Natives in North America who..." is contributing to pan-Indigenism. As a Hunkpapa Lakota, I can only speak for myself and what I've personally seen and experienced. Nobody should be speaking about anything ceremonial online because there are enough people trying to self-Indigenize and mine data infor their own purposes.

    • @samuelnewman4359
      @samuelnewman4359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am Molungeon I speak from my elders who are mixed of different this is how it was told to me

  • @keenanarthur8381
    @keenanarthur8381 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The characterization of Hinduism and Buddhism as “world-denying” is not entirely wrong so much as an oversimplification of diverse systems of belief and practice. Some Hindus and Buddhists do seek liberation entirely out of the world. Others seek liberation as a shift in one’s awareness of the deep structures of reality while fully embodied. Some do take a very devotional approach (as do some Pagans/Heathens/Polytheists), and others take a very philosophical approach without worshiping spirits of any kind. Some sects have strict rules based on a particular dogma, others are more antinomian. Some practitioners emphasize magic and folk religion, others regard magic as a distraction from the ultimate bliss of awakening. And so on.
    Other examples where the posited "world-affirming"/"world-denying" dualism is nebulous include African diaspora religions that combine elements of Christianity and African Paganism, Greco-Egyptian mysticism, Daoism, and Kabbalah. Furthermore, given the limits on knowledge about the wide diversity of pre-Christian European beliefs, assuming that all European Pagans/Heathens were "world-accepting" is far from provable.

    • @MiaogisTeas
      @MiaogisTeas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have to agree specifically when it comes to Buddhism. It's such an ancient belief system, and varies in the way it's understood from place to place. Its syncretic nature makes it difficult to pigeonhole it so easily. Merely dumping it into one of two boxes and calling it done is a little lazy. But let's do some basic examination to see why.
      Mahayana Buddhism is definitely not a world-denying form, as it's specifically a way to travel through this world without being at odds with this world, a "great vehicle" you ride, until you get to where you're going - a philosophy for a good life, but not a crutch to be relied upon. It's also used to carry others, in oversimplified terms. The practises are very practical and focused on relieving suffering in the world we live in. Sure, there have been many additional beliefs and folk traditions attached to it, but at it's core, it's main function is acceptance of this world and relief from suffering here.
      Theravadan Buddhism which (as it's practised) is more about rebirth and achieving salvation in the next life. You could make a case for it being a world-denying religion.
      In all cases, Buddhism lacks gods. There are aspects of our nature we may see used in temples, but most of these (Guanyin for example) are local folk beliefs that have found their way into the cannon, but have no relation to the base texts or reported teachings of Buddha. Any supernatural abilities or occurrences in the texts have clearly been added later.
      This is also an over simplified explanation, but serves the purpose of arguing against throwing Buddhism in the same bucket as Abrahamic and pagan religions.

    • @keenanarthur8381
      @keenanarthur8381 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MiaogisTeas The same is also true for Hinduism, and I personally have connections to Śākta/Śaiva Tantra and Tibetan Buddhism. I would actually argue that the majority of Buddhists across history have been polytheists. Bodhisattvas take on deity-like qualities in many forms of Mahāyāna and Vajrayāna Buddhism, and there are many examples of indigenous religions being integrated with Buddhism - e.g. the historical interaction of Shinto and Zen in Japan. There is no reason to assume that these kinds of indigenous beliefs are incompatible with or contradictory to Buddhism. Early narratives about Gautama Buddha's life often mention supernatural events and even Buddha's interaction with Hindu deities such as Brahmā. Theravāda practitioners in places such as Thailand are also known to honor Buddhas and arhats, nature spirits, ancestors and spirits of the dead. The interpretation of Buddhism as non-theistic is largely a Western one.

  • @lindamundy3812
    @lindamundy3812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    TH-cam brought me to you today. I've subscribed. Thank you for your presentation.

  • @Supermanrs
    @Supermanrs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another awesome video. I have learned so much from this channel. Thanks for all that you do. I personally have always used the term pagan when explaining my religious practices to others. Mainly because while I do use a lot of the Norse tradition in my personal practice. I also mix it with Celtic and some wiccan practices and rituals. So for me I have always just used the term pagan or Eclectic pagan as I feel these better fit me. But I absolutely love learning more about these terms and the history of them. Keep up the great work.

  • @michaelaregenfuss5968
    @michaelaregenfuss5968 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brilliant video!

  • @grannykiminalaska
    @grannykiminalaska 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting. Thank you for going into detail on that. I guess that makes me none of the above.
    I'm good with that.

  • @scottishdoll6087
    @scottishdoll6087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic video thanks for this. 💜🖤

  • @skooma4BabyGhoul
    @skooma4BabyGhoul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you for acknowledging pre-pagan practices

  • @lorensims4846
    @lorensims4846 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful analysis. I've often used 'heathen' only as a secondary illustrative term when explaining the meaning of 'pagan' as describing the rural folk or "country bumpkins."
    My first impulse is to say you have overthought this, but I guess somebody has to.
    Thank you so much some the detailed history of these words.

  • @vodouisant6
    @vodouisant6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another amazing video Arith !!! :) What about the term " Wyrd " as in " The Wyrd Ones " ? I'm not CERTAIN about it's origin ( or the time the term came ) but it's the first thing that popped into my head when you asked :)

  • @pipkin5287
    @pipkin5287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What an insightful video! I really enjoyed your in-depth explanations and musings on the topic.
    I personally don't like the word Pagan, and really hope more people will acknowledge what it means, was, and is still used for, so I just say "the old ways", or the "old faith", but people are free to say what they want imo.

  • @isawamoose
    @isawamoose ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, etymology is so powerful.
    Basically Pagan meaning rural folk is mind-blowing. Magick at work.

  • @Sindraug25
    @Sindraug25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've always seen pagan as a general term and heathen as being specifically Germanic pagan.

    • @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger
      @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A "pagan" is generally anyone who is non-Abrahamic (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and/or polytheistic in their religious/spiritual/cultural path, like Hindus and Buddhists, just to name the most well known. "Heathen" is specifically referring to those practitioners of pre-Christian Germanic Tribal religion, be it historical reconstructionism or any of the New Age groups (Asatru, AFA, Troth, TAC, etc.). And of course, both "pagan" AND "heathen" (lower-case H) have evolved over centuries to be derogatory terms used as a means to remind/reinforce the supposed inferiority of anyone who is not a follower of "the BIG three" Abrahamic faiths mentioned above. Hope this helps to clear things up for everyone reading this.

    • @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger
      @HroduuulfSonOfHrodger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, you are 100% correct. Heathens are followers of the Germanic (which includes the Norse) Tribes' "pagan" religion, which includes veneration of our ancestors as well as the pantheons of the Aesir (primarily) and Vanir.

  • @henninghartung9340
    @henninghartung9340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hello Arith, hope you are travelling well. I must thank you for this video, because I have made a grave mistake. I have always described myself as a "non-practicing existentialist heathen". Non-practicing because I do not know enough to practice it; existentialist because I take responsibility for what I do practice; and heathen as a student of Norse mythologies and pre-Christian culture to distinguish myself from the Wiccan/New Age pagans. Actually, now that I read it back, heathen sounds right, as the whole statement seems to invite derogatory commentary. (LOL)

  • @Skatelifefool
    @Skatelifefool ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very interesting stuff. I feel like a lot of people have never thought about any of this

  • @neiljohnson6815
    @neiljohnson6815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "The old ways" or "the old gods" seems pretty common.

    • @je-freenorman7787
      @je-freenorman7787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gods are religion and religion is all Satanic

    • @je-freenorman7787
      @je-freenorman7787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jeppo Jinx No, it wont matter then, it matters now.
      NOW IS THE TIME.
      We get ONE life.
      There is no sense in waiting to see what happens when you die.
      We are all within and without for THIS life. Not the NEXT one.
      There is no God.
      We know they made it up.
      You are believing in things that DO NOT EXIST
      and that clearly results in your ultimate confusion. You sound so ridiculous and you are not conscious of who, what or where you are. You sound like God Spell. You are clearly drunk on Religion.
      That is our CURSE.
      RELIGION is the bane of human existence.
      Beliefs in things that Do Not Exist.
      God is Dog Spell-ed back-words.
      There is NO such thing as a deity.
      I would say, there has to be a Trinity for creation. There can not be a single creator.

    • @je-freenorman7787
      @je-freenorman7787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jeppo Jinx We always thank our friends so, thank you.
      Who are we?
      What are we?
      Where are we?
      What do we wish for?
      May we, always give thanks to something?
      May we always give thanks to the Aether?
      May we always give thanks for the ability to learn
      May we ask questions and make mistakes to learn.
      May we always ask for forgiveness and correct ourselves.
      Humans Do not require Governance
      Humans do not follow religion.
      If we know the truth, the truth presents itself.
      All we really need is to let go of beliefs
      and KNOW the truth.
      There are laws of Nat-ure and laws of the Uni-Verse.

  • @elirfw8993
    @elirfw8993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm a newer viewer of yours only been aware of your channel for about half a year, and I have a question. Do you have a podcast by any chance? Or recommend any with similar topics of yours?

  • @saranatari3427
    @saranatari3427 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting. So what would you consider the ancient Egyptian religion?

    • @celestepalm6949
      @celestepalm6949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a good one. The ancient Egyptians obviously loved & respected the forces of Nature as well as their own animals, be they be domestic &/or divine avatars; one can argue the ancient Egyptians didn't separate between the two. But would calling Kemetic practice a Nature Religion limit it? It's also one of the most sophisticated magical systems that most current western mystery traditions have borrowed /stolen from. Personally I'm fine with calling it an ancient Pagan religion but I don't know how you feel about that.

  • @torco1963
    @torco1963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    growing up I was always called a little Heathen, and when I became a young man I really became a true Heathen. I've always hated the idea of others trying to force their religious beliefs on someone. I've been a free man to choose my path and know how that's been the reason why my ancestors where forced to convert or die, not anymore...I am Heathen!!

  • @Budismo7917
    @Budismo7917 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video interesting information.
    i knew about the term Paganus or Pagans but i did not know about Heathen "The dwellers of the heath" i did not know it has a relationship with the old norse sami people.
    So i think that its better for a follower of the old roman religion to call themselve Paganus and maybe Heathen its better for the norse people as his origins comes from different places but at the end its almost the same term used by christians to named local people with his old customs or name the norse people as Heathens. I guess the Asatru community in Iceland call themselves as followers of the Aesirs.
    i think you should make a video about the facts about why and where do the kings or the elite community start to change faith to christianity and why?

  • @keooklipopo4310
    @keooklipopo4310 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tack för idag Arith 😄

  • @jmbsoutho
    @jmbsoutho ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in 2005 when I attended an event called "Pagan Pride Day" I wondered the same thing...why these people were embracing a term that had such pejorative connotations. Thanks for clearing things up!

  • @aidanngreenwolfe200
    @aidanngreenwolfe200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video! I love your channel.

  • @stewartthomas2642
    @stewartthomas2642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your stuff kick on love it