It has come to my attention that my idea that the Rune-Gild does not blót/sacrifice, is "baseless". Some of you may think that the research for this video was done in a couple of months, but it wasn't. The contents of this video are a 2-years research and contact with the Rune-Gild, its members and reading their entire works. My idea that the Rune Gild does not blót isn't baseless, here's why: In the essay “Why Runers Don’t ‘Blôt’” (2006) Thorsson gives a primary motivation to his objection concerning sacrifice, because in his own view and in his own words, blót/sacrifice entails worship, which is something the Odian is not focused on ("Odian" as he refers to those of the Rune-Gild and himself, as the religious focus being solely on Odin and emulating this god). Thorsson made it clear even in the title of this essay itself - Him and the Rune-Gild do not blót. As I've pointed in the video, their concern is not worship of the Norse/Germanic gods, or any worship at all. The focus is Odin (spelled Òdhinn in the Gild), without worship, but rather he is termed the “god of inspiration” and is emulated (Thorsson 1987). The specific focus of the Rune-Gild is on the Germanic/Norse Runes; Thorsson distinguishes between Odinism and Odianism, the former implying the worship of the god Odin and the latter involving the emulation of the god. The Rune-Gild is, according to Thorsson/Flowers, an Odian, not an Odinist, organization (Thorsson 2003), even though it has been clear that it also incorporates Odinist conceptions and racial-motivation in part due to the involvement with the hate-group AFA of Stephen Mcnallen, but the main focus is "becoming" Odin and acquire the wisdom of the runes, in other words - emulate the archetype of "the god of inspiration" and no worship, therefore no need for blót.
people haven't yet realized that Arith does his homework and a wonderful thorough work of investigation. Thank you Arith for another great video! I'm glad to be your patron and it's worth it, as I learn a great deal from your works. Thank you!
" and no worship, therefore no need for blót" ...this is plain wrong. Arith, if you dig a little deeper into the curriculum of the Nine Doors of Midgard you will see on p. 161 Thorsson says the following "It should be remembered that generally, the attitude of the male Runer is that he imitates or emulates Woden as an archetypal or exemplary model for his consciousness or behavior. If he is going to worship anything in the usual sense of giving his honor, love, and devotion to something outside himself, then a goddess, usually Freyja or some other feminine entity, will be the recipient of this attention." For anyone reading this comment just look at the 6th and 7th doors of the 9D and you will see that the practical work therein is rife with blóts.
@@huginn2649 I read the 9Ds and in that phrase Thorsson is quite clear that himself and the Rune-Gild are not interested in worship. The worship he speaks about is towards those who want to do it outside this organization and system, towards other deities, but not towards Odin and not within the Gild. The idea remains the same, no worship and no sacrifice or blot to Odin, just to other gods outside this organization. Thorsson has been demonstrating for almost 40 years his disdain for every religion that has worship. He is always bringing down everything that isn't his own organization, basically calling others' religions as invalid, fake and falsified, while his own ideas are the true ones, the authentic ones. So Arith is right. You don't even have to read the essays Thorsson wrote, because there are plenty of interviews with him always pointing that his is the only reconstruction of the authentic religion. Thorsson or Edred Flowers is just another one trying to stand out as the cultic leader. Arith is actually doing us a great favour, by destroying idolatry and letting people be free of religious leaders and following their own thinking.
@@kokkoanya5105 No two Runers are alike... that you and the “serious” researcher above do not seem to get this just shows how you are projecting your own dogmatism onto other people (by people I mean those within the Gild, not Edred..)
Arith has been there. He saw it. Came out. Exposes the truth. And we thank him for that. Haha, well done brother, great video!. Against the status quo.
Arith is actually doing us a great favour, by destroying idolatry and letting people be free of religious leaders and following their own thinking. Well done Arith, another great and useful composition.
Why don`t you actually go and engage in a conversation with real Gilders (rather that simply believing what Arith tells you) you will find out real quick that the RG is not a cult of personality.
This is exactly what I was looking for! I've been deeply bothered by the white supremacists use of runes . I just want to be able to study runes without having to deal with racist idiocy. Thank you for doing all this research, and bringing together a sort of history of how we got where we are today. I also, deeply appreciate the separation between modern esotericism and actual history. I'm clearly going to be watching more of your videos.
Arith, you may have heard this before but...I hope that some day in the future you decide to write a book! Whatever that book may be. It would be absolutely fantastic no matter the topic(s).
Arith does indeed do his research and we should all be grateful for that. And, we should all listen to him about (paraphrasing) 'studying and learning for your self', he provides wonderful materials to aid in your own private search for knowledge, you just need to listen to what he says - be attentive as he often says-using the materials and really listen to what he is telling you. As far as Stephen Flowers/Edred Thorsson, I feel I owe him a bit of gratitude for this reason, (I am in my late 60's) before so much materiel was readily available at the click of a key, Dr. Flowers-not the gild- published some of the only books that were somewhat easily available. I had no idea where to begin and his books, in particular Northern Magic, provided that starting point. I guess my point here is, as with all things, you must apply your own prism to what is before you, take the good things that enrich you and your quest and simply leave the other clutter behind. don't get caught up in looking for something that could be construed as offensive and allow a single sentence or paragraph to turn you away when on the next page may be the knowledge you are seeking. Thank you Arith for your time and devotion to this largely lost knowledge. I always look forward to what you have next.
Mr. Härger exposing these organizations and people, breaking the status quo and presenting facts on Edred Thorsson. Perfect video and it needs to be shared until people get the message.
Before there was any religions and spiritual paths, there was just a man or woman sincerely looking inwardly. We owe it to ourselves to be free enough to do the same thing our ancient ancestors did.
Cauvet cave contains altars, burnt offerings, and ritual enclosures dating to 30,000 BC. Chances are there was some sort of spiritual heirachy involved even back then. That's pure speculation, but certainly believable.
@@Non-Serviam300 With all due respect, I doubt that prehistoric cave dwellers were sitting around contemplating their divine nature or whatever. They were likely way too busy trying to stay alive minute to minute. They probably had a very visceral, immediate, and spontaneous relationship with nature as a whole, and the intensity of that life and death struggle may have elicited powerful sensory phenomena and provided the backdrop to a sense of their place in the cosmos (not that they'd think is those terms). And all of that is not nothin...but I wouldn't see it as particularly conscious. Of course...there's no way to know for sure. There's only scant physical evidence and speculation.
Good morning! 🤗 What a pleasure to start this Autumn Sunday 🍁 with your video, I love having you as a company is like a therapy, it's comfortable and cultural, thank you very 👌very much! 🤗 you're a blessing. Have a good Sunday ☀️ Mr. Arith
You are a positive and very progressive wholesome influencer of the modern Heathen / Asatru community! Please keep spreading and promoting your positive anti discriminatory and inclusive ideologies, it is the true want of the gods.
very well put ! I like you follow my own path , I have found over many years that where there is a powerful group of any kind there is a fight for power and control !
I am amazed at your knowledge. You've been so helpful after many years of wondering if I would ever find the true pre-christian information. Thank you! While finances aren't too great right now, I hope after the first of year I'll be in place where I can support you through your Patreon.
Thank you for this video, sir. I cannot hit the like button enough! I have enjoyed all of your videos. Especially the videos from your Rune series, using the archeological past with the esoteric meanings. This is very informative, and thank you for staying as non-biased as possible. It makes using this video as an argument a lot easier.
Thank you so much! On my Facebook group I share your videos. So all members know to explore modern and traditional practices. But to know what is modern and traditional. Your videos help so much with that!
That rabbit hole goes deep.. You are really killing their buzz haha...! Well, all I can say is thank you for this video! So glad somebody finally puts it out there. Somebody who is an academic, does extensive research, and knows what he is talking about.
I’ve been reading Thorsson’s work on and off for since I was 14 (26 years! 😳) and know that everything said here is accurate. I really like some of Thorsson’s esoteric stuff, and I can get into some stadhagaldr, but WOW I wish this video had been around when I was 14! It would have saved me so much pain and confusion!
Fabulous. Will be sharing. Like many, Flowers was a resource for me and as a new pagan finding my way, I did not have the discernment to look for a broader context.Not only with him but quite a few others. Decades later, now I know. Thank you as always!
Yes! Yes! Yes! A much waited video, thank you Arith. The truth has to be spoken! These groups, organizations and people have been a cancer in the heathen community and in paganism as a whole. Really appreciate your take on this. There's no place for bigotry in paganism, there never was. Thank you my friend! Man blessings to you and yours!
Historical truth is that the pre Christian ancients held identical values to your modern liberal humanist democratic values? That's as true and honest as them adhering to identical values as the far right. Both narratives are false.
I appreciate the knowledge your sharing with everyone who is seeking the truth. I've been on my own path of discovery from a young age. The information is very confusing and limited. I've explained in a much old video of yours my bloodlines are Prussian/Irish on my father's side and Scottish/Maori on my mother's. Due to both families religious beliefs and modern day colonization alot of knowledge has been lost, or some choose to not pass on the knowledge anymore. All my grandmother said when I asked her about our heritage was they were heathen Prussian, polish and then German. They moved around alot in the West Baltic region until immigrating to Australia after all the wars in the mid 1800's. I'm very intrigued to learn all I can and enjoy watching you video's. Thank you.
You are an awesome well of wisdom! Love all of your videos. They have extremely helped me as I have converted to Heathenry in the past couple of years. You have taught me much. Thank you Arith!
I'm so glad so many of my family's traditions fit with most of what I see in non-Guild Heathenry. I don't need Flowers (and yes, I likely have 4 of his books, read 1), but it's good to be aware of him/them.
For anyone who wants to know the real background of the Rune-Gild, there is a very candid and even entertaining book that lays it all out in detail: THE HISTORY OF THE RUNE-GILD, written by the man who founded it, Edred Thorsson. It is easily available all over the world via Amazon, simply by searching for the title, for example here: www.amazon.com/History-Rune-Gild-Reawakening-Gild-1980-2018/dp/0999724541/. It is quite clear from watching this longwinded video that "Arith Härger" couldn't be bothered to even read it, yet he wants to lecture to everyone on the topic.
That's a way to spend the sunday. Taking a bath, watching your video. Or well, bit by bit throughout the day 😆. I'm ready to hear what you have to say, magic man.
same by me, without bath (can only take a shower) so laptop is on, coffee, müsli, smartphone for twitter... a bit cleaning up... and always finding things i can google on phone when arith mentiones them ;-)
Thank you, Arith, for tackling this complex subject. I was puzzling it through as I was watching, getting a slight headache, lol! But I have looked at relevant books, some by Flowers, and did not know of his viewpoints.
A symbol carved from Reito Ass as base forming also Uruz; downward Algiz, I couldnt agree more with the saying as well! UWU I myself use a bindrune composed from Gifu Sovulo and Odal, called the ravens eye, because it exactly looks like a ravens head looking to the left. I combine it with the Mat 6;22,23 to make myself more accepting to those who Christians normally call paganus or Sorcerer, for personal reasons. It has helped me learn different cultures and insights, otherwise unreachable for my faith. Peoples eyes or fear decides, who and what you will look and see -- Respect in your expression of the lore and videos, keep doing your work, love you! :P
Love your content, i have always been a truth seeker & even when some truths are very maddening to find out, it helps me evolve spiritualy & mentaly. Also realizing that any organized religion/belief systems can be very oppressive. I fallow my own path privately
That has clarified many of the issues I've had when reading on this, though I had no idea I would agree w. Mr Thorsen on any thing [I don't worship anyone/anything, only honour, as with ancestors/world; worship holds connotations of surrendering will to me]. Much to think about, for which gift, many thanks as ever Arith
I've read one of Thorsson's books and found it to have Wiccan and Occult influence. I just recently bought another book on the Futhark and I was met with the same results. I do find many esoteric Futhark keywords to have a lot in common with other interpretations. However his extended commentary has a heavy occult influence.
So this is what you have been up to 😂 brilliant work as usual my friend, stir that pot, make their blood boil, rip apart everything they thought they knew... this is why we love youuu ❤
Excellent video! One of my favorite book is hermetic magic by Flowers Post modern Magical Papyrus of Abaris A must reading for new seekers on eastern philosophy and practice. Greetings from Switzerland 🌲 Take care
That was enlightening Arith, excellent. From romanticism to the (racist) political ideologies that are bending the individual search for the meaning of the runes in a nutshell. This history lesson of emerging (national) identities leading to current esotheric groups: it is important to know their intentions and (initial) 'Blut und boden' agendas. As always it's dangerous to follow groups and organizations without knowing their background, especially in 'Nordic' spirituality. Thank you for this overview. And while we are at it, aside from your videos on the runes, is there a book you can recommend for starters? (Until yóur book is available?)
I really hate the occult lodge organizational structure. It's whole purpose is to limit, restrict and profit from it's members. From your description the Rune-Gild is just another occult lodge with all the degrees, sworn petty secrets, and required purchases. A real occult community should be about the trade and open sharing of information and ideas. Of course, every lodge is the ancient sacred and true tradition of some supposedly historic group passed down untainted through the hoary ages and documented in their lodge book for the amazingly low price $19.95 USD.
I might have to listen again because there’s so much info. Very interesting and I like obtaining new knowledge. What’s going on with your right eye? It looks pink.
I have learned that information on the Internet, on any subject, can't be taken at face value. It's important to research who I'm listening to and following. Thank you for this video. Personally I would not have followed this group because of some of the political affiliations it's leader has. Thanks Arith
what these "traditionalists" forget about tradition, is that true tradition is to be open to new ideas and inspirations becourse traditions must slowly evolve and adapt to even be able to survive as a tradition. and that goes to all cultures in all countries and in all times since the beguining of time.
Taking a big step forward to backward hahaha. I know to the uneducated or layman this sound funny. However it is an undeniable truth. “Their is no shame in being wrong only refusing to learn” possibly the single greatest message you have conveyed on this channel. I love this channel because you are so thorough in your talks. You don’t just spout off talking but you know why, how, and when ergo making a very informed point on what you are attempting to teach us! To put it simpley this shit is so so good!!! Härger for President or Prime minister or King or Emperor or whatever it is you have where you are located lol hahaha!!! Another brilliant video. Well done mate!!!!
I'm not a traditionalist. However I know members of the rune guild. I've hailed the gods in Blot along side them. I have to disagree with your premise that traditionalists, who are concerned about outside cultural influenced on asatru, are not also inclined toward correctly resurrecting the faith and esoteric practices. They take the study of true historical facts very seriously and have no desire towards deception. At least the few that I've met.
The Rune Gild is the 'corrected' form of the Armanen Orden. Edred regards himself as the heir to Guido Von List. All external influences are projects to help achieve this. I'd assume that's the root of his behaviour.
To add on, Guido Von List had an influence on the National socialists in Germany. The idea was that all other cultures stole the true esoteric teachings from the ancestral German Race, and so it was ok to study these as they were originally German thus it wasn't ok for other cultures. Hence, it could be ok to study Karate let's say, because it was originally stolen from the ancestral Germans and poisoned. Of course, an absolutely insane way of thinking.
Are you a Goði? You’re like an unofficial official one imo 😅 you really set the bar pretty high. I fly solo but the stuff I have learned from you is amazing ❤️
i have just checked out the wikipedia entry for edred thorrson; there are some problems with the references, apparently there are not enough to verify all of the statements made. it was very interesting reading. it explains even more than arith's video already does. thorssons's involvement with the church of satan and the temple of set are made clear, it also makes clear that the asatru folk assembly are interested in or have purchased the rights to thorsson's books, so they are definitely involved.
Thank you. I dont do any of them. I Live in a place they still put horns on viking helmets and say I'm viking. Nothing wrong in learning understand and to be open to things. Thank you
But what is more than curious - indeed, piquant to a degree - is that an ancient god of storm and frenzy, the long quiescent Wotan,should awake, like an extinct volcano, to new activity, in a civilized country that had long been supposed to have outgrown the Middle Ages.
Dear Arith. It would have been nice if you had actually contacted the Gild and talked to some of its current members before publishing this video and labelling the Gild a cult based on mostly incorrect information. This actually seems to be quite the opposite of being impartial and looking at both sides of a coin, at least to me…
@@ArithHärger research is all well and good, but interviews would be a more balanced way of assessing a person or organization. People change and grow (hopefully) so an interview would allow for people to respond to what you say, and explain their past and current positions. As you seem to have a disdain for most organizations you discuss, it would be humanizing for the discussed people and organizations.
@@BaltimoresBerzerker I don't need to hear what these people have to say, sorry. Their idiology speaks for itself. No thanks. I honestly don't see the point, but yes, research IS well and good, and badly needed these days. And why on Earth would Arith give these people a platform on his own youtube channel? You must be joking...
Esoteric Ism and the Runes can not be separated,. From the begining according to the Havamal Odin's discovery of the Runes was an esoteric enterprise, they have only continued to be so unless of course you believe that the Runes are just an alphabet. As for there being no religion historically then I might point out the main Temple at Upsalla and the organized belief structure including a priesthood. As for the Rune-Gild putting Odin first and foremost it seems a reasonable position if a person is serious about studying the Runes. Who better than the Father of the Runes to offer inspiration. Now to attempt to explain the mystery of Odin and Set. A working was performed some time ago it was revealed that Odin and Set are blood brothers they mixed their blood with the soil and formed a pact for the joint ownership of the world 🌍 In closing let me say I am not trying to disparage you or your teachings Mr Harger I am in general a fan of your work.
I want to know. Do you think "Odin" has taken another body today? Do you think it's possible that two ravens follow, communicate, and are close to someone today?
After 40 years of trying and struggling to fit into the traditional religion I was raised in I've come to a clear conclusion that I didn't belong on that team or that side and I've only just taken a step or two on this left hand path...and while THEY would like everything black and white, absolute, good and evil...I've come to realize it's more about balance and the universe balances everything out....and though I don't use it on youtube here my actual 1st name is Heath....so I was named and born to be heathen I think. I know you said you're not here to judge anyone but based on what I've said here do you think that makes any sense? Do you have any advice for a newbie on this path?
I am curious if you have an agenda. Alot of people who speak on runes and heathenry have been recently kicked off of TH-cam. You definitely deserve an A+ for effort but I question your sources.
Strange. I fell to this same conclusion back in 91/92 when I came across his Norse Magick or whatever it was called. I read it thinking I'd be finding answers to questions and came across a declaration against Christianity or something.. basically swearing off Jesus. Now I've never been a Christian as the faiths of Abraham seem empty to me... but to me, that little chant seemed offensive and I didn't know why then, so I called this thorsson bloke to be... culty.
These other religions are indo-european religions. Generally all religions have changed over time and this is documented in the many of today so we know where these changes are. The things used to reconstruct a germanic or other european religion have generally been things of very easily identifiable similarities of Indo-European influence or Neolithic farmer influence that are very obviously shared amng the indo-european religions. For example you've made videos about the indo-european wolf warriors and how even in hinduism they existed. One things that has changed in Hinduism over time is that the vedic peoples (indo-europeans) who brought the vedic religion and vedic culture to India were herders and ate meat but over time some hindus in india started to become vegan. Veganism is not indo-european but became a later development practiced by some people in hindu culture of later india. Another example of relations between these many religions is the neolithic farmer influence on the Vanir. Freyja is said to have a chariot pulled by cats much like the earth goddess diety that spread throughout Europe from Anatolia. Originally these cats were actually lions but lions only existed in some parts of europe and were hunted by europeans to extinction so the later Germanic peoples likely never saw any.
People ruin cool stuff. I got into Norse mythology and runes and what not at an early age then started seeing racist groups using the symbology and it’s just like WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING😂
The term 'left-hand path' is connected to the Sanskrit 'vāmācāra,' the "left way," which has been used to refer to groups and individuals which explicitly transgressed the authority of the traditional brahminical hierarchy through the use of impure sacraments (commonly meat, wine, sex), practicing culturally unusual degrees of caste- and gender-equality, and worshiping fierce deities in mortuary settings. In my view, oppressive and prejudiced social hierarchies are a disease.
with the extent of christian destruction of Nordic civilization can we ever know what is pagan/heathen and what has been implanted by priests over more than a thousand years?
We need writings that romanticize the historical truth, since those who take their first steps into it, are looking for something romantic, to enrich their lives and/or take control of their lives. The history just isn't 'sexy' enough for people, without romanticizing vikings, which itself is a related, but also unfortunate issue.
It seems we are again in agreement. There are still so many people bringing up some works and acting like it is (historical) truth. Too bad Western occultism has always been a hotbed of politics but this is not surprising seeing in what era it arose. It was rife with Nationalism. We should see them in the context of the times they were written. Nowadays we should know better. Every Joe and Jane now has access to historical texts, musea collections etc. but still there is this tendency to fall back on works written in those times yet refrain to untie their thoughts from their agendas. For instance; it irks me to see so many people promoting tolerance and peace yet praising Blavatsky who was an outright racist. Theosophy is filled to the brim with disgusting race theories. Good thing I have never been much of a follower.
It has come to my attention that my idea that the Rune-Gild does not blót/sacrifice, is "baseless". Some of you may think that the research for this video was done in a couple of months, but it wasn't. The contents of this video are a 2-years research and contact with the Rune-Gild, its members and reading their entire works. My idea that the Rune Gild does not blót isn't baseless, here's why: In the essay “Why Runers Don’t ‘Blôt’” (2006) Thorsson gives a primary motivation to his objection concerning sacrifice, because in his own view and in his own words, blót/sacrifice entails worship, which is something the Odian is not focused on ("Odian" as he refers to those of the Rune-Gild and himself, as the religious focus being solely on Odin and emulating this god). Thorsson made it clear even in the title of this essay itself - Him and the Rune-Gild do not blót. As I've pointed in the video, their concern is not worship of the Norse/Germanic gods, or any worship at all. The focus is Odin (spelled Òdhinn in the Gild), without worship, but rather he is termed the “god of inspiration” and is emulated (Thorsson 1987). The specific focus of the Rune-Gild is on the Germanic/Norse Runes; Thorsson distinguishes between Odinism and Odianism, the former implying the worship of the god Odin and the latter involving the emulation of the god. The Rune-Gild is, according to Thorsson/Flowers, an Odian, not an Odinist, organization (Thorsson 2003), even though it has been clear that it also incorporates Odinist conceptions and racial-motivation in part due to the involvement with the hate-group AFA of Stephen Mcnallen, but the main focus is "becoming" Odin and acquire the wisdom of the runes, in other words - emulate the archetype of "the god of inspiration" and no worship, therefore no need for blót.
people haven't yet realized that Arith does his homework and a wonderful thorough work of investigation. Thank you Arith for another great video! I'm glad to be your patron and it's worth it, as I learn a great deal from your works. Thank you!
" and no worship, therefore no need for blót" ...this is plain wrong. Arith, if you dig a little deeper into the curriculum of the Nine Doors of Midgard you will see on p. 161 Thorsson says the following "It should be remembered that generally, the attitude of the male Runer is that he imitates or emulates Woden as an archetypal or exemplary model for his consciousness or behavior. If he is going to worship anything in the usual sense of giving his honor, love, and devotion to something outside himself, then a goddess, usually Freyja or some other feminine entity, will be the recipient of this attention." For anyone reading this comment just look at the 6th and 7th doors of the 9D and you will see that the practical work therein is rife with blóts.
@@huginn2649 I read the 9Ds and in that phrase Thorsson is quite clear that himself and the Rune-Gild are not interested in worship. The worship he speaks about is towards those who want to do it outside this organization and system, towards other deities, but not towards Odin and not within the Gild. The idea remains the same, no worship and no sacrifice or blot to Odin, just to other gods outside this organization. Thorsson has been demonstrating for almost 40 years his disdain for every religion that has worship. He is always bringing down everything that isn't his own organization, basically calling others' religions as invalid, fake and falsified, while his own ideas are the true ones, the authentic ones. So Arith is right. You don't even have to read the essays Thorsson wrote, because there are plenty of interviews with him always pointing that his is the only reconstruction of the authentic religion. Thorsson or Edred Flowers is just another one trying to stand out as the cultic leader. Arith is actually doing us a great favour, by destroying idolatry and letting people be free of religious leaders and following their own thinking.
@@kokkoanya5105 No two Runers are alike... that you and the “serious” researcher above do not seem to get this just shows how you are projecting your own dogmatism onto other people (by people I mean those within the Gild, not Edred..)
@@kokkoanya5105 hell yeah that is beautifully said!!
Arith has been there. He saw it. Came out. Exposes the truth. And we thank him for that. Haha, well done brother, great video!. Against the status quo.
You are so right these cults are especially dangerous to new pagans. The world is lucky to have you to explain such things so clearly!!
Arith is actually doing us a great favour, by destroying idolatry and letting people be free of religious leaders and following their own thinking. Well done Arith, another great and useful composition.
Why don`t you actually go and engage in a conversation with real Gilders (rather that simply believing what Arith tells you) you will find out real quick that the RG is not a cult of personality.
This is exactly what I was looking for! I've been deeply bothered by the white supremacists use of runes . I just want to be able to study runes without having to deal with racist idiocy. Thank you for doing all this research, and bringing together a sort of history of how we got where we are today. I also, deeply appreciate the separation between modern esotericism and actual history. I'm clearly going to be watching more of your videos.
Arith puts his head above the parapet, and pwns it because he has actual wisdom and knowledge. I support Arith because I always learn something.
Finally! Someone with the balls to tell this truth, and it had to be Arith, of course! Well done, great video all should see.
Arith, you may have heard this before but...I hope that some day in the future you decide to write a book! Whatever that book may be. It would be absolutely fantastic no matter the topic(s).
Arith does indeed do his research and we should all be grateful for that. And, we should all listen to him about (paraphrasing) 'studying and learning for your self', he provides wonderful materials to aid in your own private search for knowledge, you just need to listen to what he says - be attentive as he often says-using the materials and really listen to what he is telling you.
As far as Stephen Flowers/Edred Thorsson, I feel I owe him a bit of gratitude for this reason, (I am in my late 60's) before so much materiel was readily available at the click of a key, Dr. Flowers-not the gild- published some of the only books that were somewhat easily available. I had no idea where to begin and his books, in particular Northern Magic, provided that starting point.
I guess my point here is, as with all things, you must apply your own prism to what is before you, take the good things that enrich you and your quest and simply leave the other clutter behind. don't get caught up in looking for something that could be construed as offensive and allow a single sentence or paragraph to turn you away when on the next page may be the knowledge you are seeking.
Thank you Arith for your time and devotion to this largely lost knowledge. I always look forward to what you have next.
Mr. Härger exposing these organizations and people, breaking the status quo and presenting facts on Edred Thorsson. Perfect video and it needs to be shared until people get the message.
Before there was any religions and spiritual paths, there was just a man or woman sincerely looking inwardly. We owe it to ourselves to be free enough to do the same thing our ancient ancestors did.
Cauvet cave contains altars, burnt offerings, and ritual enclosures dating to 30,000 BC. Chances are there was some sort of spiritual heirachy involved even back then. That's pure speculation, but certainly believable.
@@luminous3357 That may be but I’m talking about before that: “before there were any religions and spiritual paths.”
@@Non-Serviam300 With all due respect, I doubt that prehistoric cave dwellers were sitting around contemplating their divine nature or whatever. They were likely way too busy trying to stay alive minute to minute. They probably had a very visceral, immediate, and spontaneous relationship with nature as a whole, and the intensity of that life and death struggle may have elicited powerful sensory phenomena and provided the backdrop to a sense of their place in the cosmos (not that they'd think is those terms). And all of that is not nothin...but I wouldn't see it as particularly conscious. Of course...there's no way to know for sure. There's only scant physical evidence and speculation.
@@luminous3357 you’re still not getting what I’m saying but that’s ok👊🏻😁
Big assumption.
Good morning! 🤗 What a pleasure to start this Autumn Sunday 🍁 with your video, I love having you as a company is like a therapy, it's comfortable and cultural, thank you very 👌very much! 🤗 you're a blessing. Have a good Sunday ☀️ Mr. Arith
Thank you for your dedication and for sharing your knowledge. You are greatly appreciated.
You are a positive and very progressive wholesome influencer of the modern Heathen / Asatru community! Please keep spreading and promoting your positive anti discriminatory and inclusive ideologies, it is the true want of the gods.
very well put ! I like you follow my own path , I have found over many years that where there is a powerful group of any kind there is a fight for power and control !
Thank you my very dear friend, you have been very supportive of my work, and I really do appreciate that a lot. Thank you!
@@ArithHärger i give this support because i believe in what you do , I have always found what you say to be fair and balanced as well as informative .
How is every video better than the last? Imagine walking around with this kind of mind
I am amazed at your knowledge. You've been so helpful after many years of wondering if I would ever find the true pre-christian information. Thank you! While finances aren't too great right now, I hope after the first of year I'll be in place where I can support you through your Patreon.
Thank you for this video, sir. I cannot hit the like button enough! I have enjoyed all of your videos. Especially the videos from your Rune series, using the archeological past with the esoteric meanings. This is very informative, and thank you for staying as non-biased as possible. It makes using this video as an argument a lot easier.
Thank you so much! On my Facebook group I share your videos. So all members know to explore modern and traditional practices. But to know what is modern and traditional. Your videos help so much with that!
You're a wizard, Arith.
That rabbit hole goes deep.. You are really killing their buzz haha...! Well, all I can say is thank you for this video! So glad somebody finally puts it out there. Somebody who is an academic, does extensive research, and knows what he is talking about.
Thank you for sharing Sir,good health to all.
I’ve been reading Thorsson’s work on and off for since I was 14 (26 years! 😳) and know that everything said here is accurate.
I really like some of Thorsson’s esoteric stuff, and I can get into some stadhagaldr, but WOW I wish this video had been around when I was 14! It would have saved me so much pain and confusion!
Thank you for the video I appreciate learning with every one you do
Wow your wisdom continues to amaze me. Blessing and light
Fabulous. Will be sharing. Like many, Flowers was a resource for me and as a new pagan finding my way, I did not have the discernment to look for a broader context.Not only with him but quite a few others. Decades later, now I know. Thank you as always!
Yes! Yes! Yes! A much waited video, thank you Arith. The truth has to be spoken! These groups, organizations and people have been a cancer in the heathen community and in paganism as a whole. Really appreciate your take on this. There's no place for bigotry in paganism, there never was. Thank you my friend! Man blessings to you and yours!
Historical truth is that the pre Christian ancients held identical values to your modern liberal humanist democratic values? That's as true and honest as them adhering to identical values as the far right. Both narratives are false.
This was very helpful, thank you for making this!
this is now my new favorite video about runes. I loved it!!
Finally, something we agree on! I still love your videos, of course.
"I do not follow any path but my own." A very nice quote.
I appreciate the knowledge your sharing with everyone who is seeking the truth. I've been on my own path of discovery from a young age. The information is very confusing and limited. I've explained in a much old video of yours my bloodlines are Prussian/Irish on my father's side and Scottish/Maori on my mother's. Due to both families religious beliefs and modern day colonization alot of knowledge has been lost, or some choose to not pass on the knowledge anymore. All my grandmother said when I asked her about our heritage was they were heathen Prussian, polish and then German. They moved around alot in the West Baltic region until immigrating to Australia after all the wars in the mid 1800's. I'm very intrigued to learn all I can and enjoy watching you video's. Thank you.
I can't believe you got all of that content into one video. Great work!
You are an awesome well of wisdom! Love all of your videos. They have extremely helped me as I have converted to Heathenry in the past couple of years. You have taught me much. Thank you Arith!
I'm so glad so many of my family's traditions fit with most of what I see in non-Guild Heathenry. I don't need Flowers (and yes, I likely have 4 of his books, read 1), but it's good to be aware of him/them.
You are a gift, thank you for all your efforts and your hard work, know that you are changing the world.
For anyone who wants to know the real background of the Rune-Gild, there is a very candid and even entertaining book that lays it all out in detail: THE HISTORY OF THE RUNE-GILD, written by the man who founded it, Edred Thorsson. It is easily available all over the world via Amazon, simply by searching for the title, for example here: www.amazon.com/History-Rune-Gild-Reawakening-Gild-1980-2018/dp/0999724541/. It is quite clear from watching this longwinded video that "Arith Härger" couldn't be bothered to even read it, yet he wants to lecture to everyone on the topic.
That's a way to spend the sunday. Taking a bath, watching your video. Or well, bit by bit throughout the day 😆. I'm ready to hear what you have to say, magic man.
same by me, without bath (can only take a shower) so laptop is on, coffee, müsli, smartphone for twitter... a bit cleaning up... and always finding things i can google on phone when arith mentiones them ;-)
Thank you for clarifying this. Great work.
Thanks you for sharing Injoyed 🙏✌
Thank you, Arith, for tackling this complex subject. I was puzzling it through as I was watching, getting a slight headache, lol! But I have looked at relevant books, some by Flowers, and did not know of his viewpoints.
A symbol carved from Reito Ass as base forming also Uruz; downward Algiz, I couldnt agree more with the saying as well! UWU I myself use a bindrune composed from Gifu Sovulo and Odal, called the ravens eye, because it exactly looks like a ravens head looking to the left. I combine it with the Mat 6;22,23 to make myself more accepting to those who Christians normally call paganus or Sorcerer, for personal reasons. It has helped me learn different cultures and insights, otherwise unreachable for my faith. Peoples eyes or fear decides, who and what you will look and see -- Respect in your expression of the lore and videos, keep doing your work, love you! :P
Really the best information about the origins of modern day neo-pagan religions .
Arith talking about the so controversial Thorsson. I thought i wouldn't live to see this day.
I really appreciate that you made this video as I have started reading edred's work and have really gotten into the runes.
Love your content, i have always been a truth seeker & even when some truths are very maddening to find out, it helps me evolve spiritualy & mentaly.
Also realizing that any organized religion/belief systems can be very oppressive. I fallow my own path privately
That has clarified many of the issues I've had when reading on this, though I had no idea I would agree w. Mr Thorsen on any thing [I don't worship anyone/anything, only honour, as with ancestors/world; worship holds connotations of surrendering will to me]. Much to think about, for which gift, many thanks as ever Arith
I've read one of Thorsson's books and found it to have Wiccan and Occult influence. I just recently bought another book on the Futhark and I was met with the same results. I do find many esoteric Futhark keywords to have a lot in common with other interpretations. However his extended commentary has a heavy occult influence.
This very much needed to be said. Thank you!
So this is what you have been up to 😂 brilliant work as usual my friend, stir that pot, make their blood boil, rip apart everything they thought they knew... this is why we love youuu ❤
Ha, people really, really hate being told this...
Excellent video!
One of my favorite book is hermetic magic by Flowers
Post modern Magical Papyrus of Abaris
A must reading for new seekers on eastern philosophy and practice.
Greetings from Switzerland 🌲
Take care
I enjoyed your video. You said what I have thought for a very long time about the ruin guild
Thank you sir
That was enlightening Arith, excellent. From romanticism to the (racist) political ideologies that are bending the individual search for the meaning of the runes in a nutshell. This history lesson of emerging (national) identities leading to current esotheric groups: it is important to know their intentions and (initial) 'Blut und boden' agendas. As always it's dangerous to follow groups and organizations without knowing their background, especially in 'Nordic' spirituality. Thank you for this overview.
And while we are at it, aside from your videos on the runes, is there a book you can recommend for starters? (Until yóur book is available?)
Blut und boden is a reality people need to start accepting
@@InhabitantOfOddworld Embrace your heritage, but don't let it limit your views.
@@MrEnaric
As opposed to what, embracing liberal progressivism?
There are other place to talk about politics. Maybe you noticed. Verþù heilir, runamaðr.
@@MrEnaric
This became political when Arith went full liberal in this terrible take
On point Arith
I really hate the occult lodge organizational structure. It's whole purpose is to limit, restrict and profit from it's members. From your description the Rune-Gild is just another occult lodge with all the degrees, sworn petty secrets, and required purchases. A real occult community should be about the trade and open sharing of information and ideas. Of course, every lodge is the ancient sacred and true tradition of some supposedly historic group passed down untainted through the hoary ages and documented in their lodge book for the amazingly low price $19.95 USD.
I might have to listen again because there’s so much info. Very interesting and I like obtaining new knowledge. What’s going on with your right eye? It looks pink.
I have learned that information on the Internet, on any subject, can't be taken at face value. It's important to research who I'm listening to and following. Thank you for this video. Personally I would not have followed this group because of some of the political affiliations it's leader has. Thanks Arith
what these "traditionalists" forget about tradition, is that true tradition is to be open to new ideas and inspirations becourse traditions must slowly evolve and adapt to even be able to survive as a tradition. and that goes to all cultures in all countries and in all times since the beguining of time.
Well said!
Taking a big step forward to backward hahaha. I know to the uneducated or layman this sound funny. However it is an undeniable truth. “Their is no shame in being wrong only refusing to learn” possibly the single greatest message you have conveyed on this channel.
I love this channel because you are so thorough in your talks. You don’t just spout off talking but you know why, how, and when ergo making a very informed point on what you are attempting to teach us! To put it simpley this shit is so so good!!! Härger for President or Prime minister or King or Emperor or whatever it is you have where you are located lol hahaha!!! Another brilliant video. Well done mate!!!!
I really enjoy your videos Arith.
A very appreciated video!
Please talk about the influence of modern egalitarian universalist culture on European paganism and then you are objective.
What's incredible about your channel is just how intensely clear the contents are. It feels familiar.
I'm not a traditionalist. However I know members of the rune guild. I've hailed the gods in Blot along side them. I have to disagree with your premise that traditionalists, who are concerned about outside cultural influenced on asatru, are not also inclined toward correctly resurrecting the faith and esoteric practices. They take the study of true historical facts very seriously and have no desire towards deception. At least the few that I've met.
Love your teachings my brother.
The Rune Gild is the 'corrected' form of the Armanen Orden. Edred regards himself as the heir to Guido Von List. All external influences are projects to help achieve this. I'd assume that's the root of his behaviour.
To add on, Guido Von List had an influence on the National socialists in Germany. The idea was that all other cultures stole the true esoteric teachings from the ancestral German Race, and so it was ok to study these as they were originally German thus it wasn't ok for other cultures. Hence, it could be ok to study Karate let's say, because it was originally stolen from the ancestral Germans and poisoned.
Of course, an absolutely insane way of thinking.
Are you a Goði? You’re like an unofficial official one imo 😅 you really set the bar pretty high. I fly solo but the stuff I have learned from you is amazing ❤️
i have just checked out the wikipedia entry for edred thorrson; there are some problems with the references, apparently there are not enough to verify all of the statements made. it was very interesting reading. it explains even more than arith's video already does. thorssons's involvement with the church of satan and the temple of set are made clear, it also makes clear that the asatru folk assembly are interested in or have purchased the rights to thorsson's books, so they are definitely involved.
Thank you. I dont do any of them. I Live in a place they still put horns on viking helmets and say I'm viking. Nothing wrong in learning understand and to be open to things. Thank you
I just picked up The Nine Doors of Midgard and was really excited to try it, but this video has made me uneasy about it.
Like Marx, I could never be a member of a group that would have someone like me as a member.
Shared. Thanks. Assuming, miscommunication = misleading labels and misconduct.
But what is more than curious - indeed, piquant to a degree - is that an ancient god of storm and frenzy, the long quiescent Wotan,should awake, like an extinct volcano, to new activity, in a civilized country that had long been supposed to have outgrown the Middle Ages.
Dear Arith. It would have been nice if you had actually contacted the Gild and talked to some of its current members before publishing this video and labelling the Gild a cult based on mostly incorrect information. This actually seems to be quite the opposite of being impartial and looking at both sides of a coin, at least to me…
Read the fixed comment plz, you just passed by it.
@@ArithHärger research is all well and good, but interviews would be a more balanced way of assessing a person or organization. People change and grow (hopefully) so an interview would allow for people to respond to what you say, and explain their past and current positions. As you seem to have a disdain for most organizations you discuss, it would be humanizing for the discussed people and organizations.
@@BaltimoresBerzerker I don't need to hear what these people have to say, sorry. Their idiology speaks for itself. No thanks. I honestly don't see the point, but yes, research IS well and good, and badly needed these days. And why on Earth would Arith give these people a platform on his own youtube channel? You must be joking...
Esoteric Ism and the Runes can not be separated,. From the begining according to the Havamal Odin's discovery of the Runes was an esoteric enterprise, they have only continued to be so unless of course you believe that the Runes are just an alphabet.
As for there being no religion historically then I might point out the main Temple at Upsalla and the organized belief structure including a priesthood.
As for the Rune-Gild putting Odin first and foremost it seems a reasonable position if a person is serious about studying the Runes. Who better than the Father of the Runes to offer inspiration.
Now to attempt to explain the mystery of Odin and Set. A working was performed some time ago it was revealed that Odin and Set are blood brothers they mixed their blood with the soil and formed a pact for the joint ownership of the world 🌍
In closing let me say I am not trying to disparage you or your teachings Mr Harger I am in general a fan of your work.
Arith. Would the Heathen left hand path be similar to the Slavic one ?
Curious
... It is so sad that it is obviously necessary to tell everyone beforehand that you are not a racist and so on... Wow... Crazy times...
I want to know.
Do you think "Odin" has taken another body today?
Do you think it's possible that two ravens follow, communicate, and are close to someone today?
@Carthan Ternes
The question always contains the answer.
I thought this video was about traditional and historical Scandinavian witchcraft and dark magic!!! Lol very interesting video nonetheless
After 40 years of trying and struggling to fit into the traditional religion I was raised in I've come to a clear conclusion that I didn't belong on that team or that side and I've only just taken a step or two on this left hand path...and while THEY would like everything black and white, absolute, good and evil...I've come to realize it's more about balance and the universe balances everything out....and though I don't use it on youtube here my actual 1st name is Heath....so I was named and born to be heathen I think. I know you said you're not here to judge anyone but based on what I've said here do you think that makes any sense? Do you have any advice for a newbie on this path?
Do you teach somewhere?
The disclaimer/State Gospel to the power structure. Just as conquered Peoples of the past.
What are your intentions fella?
BLESSINGS MY FAMILY
Good Looking Out
BLESSINGS
I am curious if you have an agenda. Alot of people who speak on runes and heathenry have been recently kicked off of TH-cam. You definitely deserve an A+ for effort but I question your sources.
Strange. I fell to this same conclusion back in 91/92 when I came across his Norse Magick or whatever it was called. I read it thinking I'd be finding answers to questions and came across a declaration against Christianity or something.. basically swearing off Jesus. Now I've never been a Christian as the faiths of Abraham seem empty to me... but to me, that little chant seemed offensive and I didn't know why then, so I called this thorsson bloke to be... culty.
These other religions are indo-european religions. Generally all religions have changed over time and this is documented in the many of today so we know where these changes are. The things used to reconstruct a germanic or other european religion have generally been things of very easily identifiable similarities of Indo-European influence or Neolithic farmer influence that are very obviously shared amng the indo-european religions. For example you've made videos about the indo-european wolf warriors and how even in hinduism they existed. One things that has changed in Hinduism over time is that the vedic peoples (indo-europeans) who brought the vedic religion and vedic culture to India were herders and ate meat but over time some hindus in india started to become vegan. Veganism is not indo-european but became a later development practiced by some people in hindu culture of later india. Another example of relations between these many religions is the neolithic farmer influence on the Vanir. Freyja is said to have a chariot pulled by cats much like the earth goddess diety that spread throughout Europe from Anatolia. Originally these cats were actually lions but lions only existed in some parts of europe and were hunted by europeans to extinction so the later Germanic peoples likely never saw any.
So where does Askr Svarte fit in with his book: GAP At The Left Hand of Odin?
Is Robert sephr isoteric dude or radical tradicionalist ?
Oh no! Are you telling me Siegfried never killed the dragon Fafnir? My whole world just collapsed! Just kidding, but i really love such stories
People ruin cool stuff. I got into Norse mythology and runes and what not at an early age then started seeing racist groups using the symbology and it’s just like WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING😂
The term 'left-hand path' is connected to the Sanskrit 'vāmācāra,' the "left way," which has been used to refer to groups and individuals which explicitly transgressed the authority of the traditional brahminical hierarchy through the use of impure sacraments (commonly meat, wine, sex), practicing culturally unusual degrees of caste- and gender-equality, and worshiping fierce deities in mortuary settings. In my view, oppressive and prejudiced social hierarchies are a disease.
with the extent of christian destruction of Nordic civilization can we ever know what is pagan/heathen and what has been implanted by priests over more than a thousand years?
I could never get into Rune Guild work. I like Jan Fries works though they're personal to him.
Weaponising spiritualité right ?
Good vid🤘
We need writings that romanticize the historical truth, since those who take their first steps into it, are looking for something romantic, to enrich their lives and/or take control of their lives.
The history just isn't 'sexy' enough for people, without romanticizing vikings, which itself is a related, but also unfortunate issue.
It seems we are again in agreement.
There are still so many people bringing up some works and acting like it is (historical) truth. Too bad Western occultism has always been a hotbed of politics but this is not surprising seeing in what era it arose. It was rife with Nationalism. We should see them in the context of the times they were written.
Nowadays we should know better. Every Joe and Jane now has access to historical texts, musea collections etc. but still there is this tendency to fall back on works written in those times yet refrain to untie their thoughts from their agendas.
For instance; it irks me to see so many people promoting tolerance and peace yet praising Blavatsky who was an outright racist. Theosophy is filled to the brim with disgusting race theories.
Good thing I have never been much of a follower.