It sounds like this 21 Sharp is going to fit a very tight niche. 22 NRL and 22 ELR have some dedicated players who will probably be 99% or those who use this cartridge. But it’s really going to come down to economics. If it can be purchased for a small premium over quality 22 LR, then it may capture some of the informal recreational market. But more than likely, it will end up like the under appreciated 17 M2. And that would be a shame.
Hopefully they make some more 17 wsm or even neck it to 22 cal and make it a 22 super mag a 30 grain pill at 2500 fps would be pretty darn cool from a rimfire. Get an extra 200 or so fps above the 22wmr.
@@daltonbbf756 Rimfire is cheap to shoot because .22lr is basically an elongated cap with powder in it. 17wsm is as complex and expensive a case to manufacture as centerfire cases. Shooting and reloading 17 hornet will always be cheaper than shooting 17wsm.
The only reason for this cartridge is so people that live in a state that has laws against using lead bullets. Now place’s like California can have a .22lr that uses copper rounds.
To me it seems like an idea to sell more rifles. they could make a better ballistic bullet for the 22Lr yes it would still have a heal but it could be improved in other ways.
Idk how this is gonna fair. 22lr is super established. Like, it's been pretty much stuck in the lives of folks around the world forever now. Trans-generational. Tried and true. Will the new 21 serve a niche? Yes, possibly. But 22mag already covers the seated and jacketed options that ELR rimfire shooters want. And I've already seen some shooters like "Mark & Sam after work", playing around with ELR 22mag projectiles that have better BC's and real potential. So is there room left for what will essentially be a nurtured 22mag? Personally, IMO, I don't think so. I just don't see this one catching on. But eh, who knows anymore? Industry is STILL pushing 30 Soup for some reason, so... 😂 Yeah, it might end up being another 30SC. But at least 30SC had the appeal of 1-2 extra rounds in a defensive scenario. Ballistic performance def wasn't it's selling point 🙄 Nobody was looking for a cartridge to help "bridge the gap" btwn 9x17, 9x18 & 9x19, so are we looking for the same thing here with the new 21 rimfire? A lotta folks say 22lr is antiquated and outdated, but wasn't rimfire itself considered the same bc of its ignition related reliability issues? I guess at some point in the future, we'll have to treat rimfire the same way we treat black powder and have fun while we just accept it for what it is. Maybe one day, rimfire will take us back in time during trips to the range and we'll enjoy the nostalgia 👍
Its gonna flop. 22 lr is cheap plinking and great for small game at normal ranges. Then 22wmr and 17hmr have it up to 150yrds. The 22lr benchrest guys love the fact its subsonic and quiet plus it being a 22lr is half the fun in the challenge. I don't see much of any area for 21 sharp to take off.
I'm not so sure. The prospect of a rimfire round round taking it to sub-MOA accuracy outside what I can do with 22lr kind of excites me for small game. Basically adding a ton of range for to my bunny and squirrel hunting. I don't think I've seen that with wmr or hmr. I'm curious to see how this is executed.
Talk about a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist!! Barely beating a 22 lr and not matching a 22 wmr. Total waste of time and energy developing such a ridiculous idea! Here’s a novel idea for the gun and ammunition industry, how about concentrating on producing guns and ammunition for the established calibers that people already own and want rather than trying to reinvent the wheel nonstop!
@jerrymoyer4085. You are right. It is a solution to be created by governments in the near future when they prohibit lead containing ammunition. The non-healed design will lend itself to projectiles consisting of solid copper or perhaps some other material.
It sounds like this 21 Sharp is going to fit a very tight niche. 22 NRL and 22 ELR have some dedicated players who will probably be 99% or those who use this cartridge. But it’s really going to come down to economics. If it can be purchased for a small premium over quality 22 LR, then it may capture some of the informal recreational market. But more than likely, it will end up like the under appreciated 17 M2. And that would be a shame.
Hopefully they make some more 17 wsm or even neck it to 22 cal and make it a 22 super mag a 30 grain pill at 2500 fps would be pretty darn cool from a rimfire. Get an extra 200 or so fps above the 22wmr.
What's the point when the Hornet exists?
@@phillycheesetake rimfire vs centerfire should be cheaper to shoot.
@@daltonbbf756 Rimfire is cheap to shoot because .22lr is basically an elongated cap with powder in it. 17wsm is as complex and expensive a case to manufacture as centerfire cases.
Shooting and reloading 17 hornet will always be cheaper than shooting 17wsm.
Hornady 30 grain V-Max from my 22 magnum is quite a beast.
Great report. Technical but not boring. I owe you a beer son
Thank you I appreciate it! Making these not boring is tricky sometimes haha
I think the rimfire will be around forever. This one caught me off guard. It will be interesting...
Agreed. I just heard about this 10 minutes ago and I'm already obsessed with finding out everything I can.
The only reason for this cartridge is so people that live in a state that has laws against using lead bullets. Now place’s like California can have a .22lr that uses copper rounds.
there are some lead free options for 22 LR though, but making a copper non-heeled bullet would probably be easier
Can I use this in my current 22s
No, it will be too small to engrave the rifling so you won’t have any accuracy
This is the main reason it will not catch on. Bad design and bad idea.
@@PassivePortfoliosLead bullets, like lead shot, are being banned.
I’m curious on how it does in NRL22
Subsonic ammunition is nice to shoot because it is quiet.
I agree, but this is made to be supersonic
Sound like a way for people in cal and other states to have a plicker
To me it seems like an idea to sell more rifles. they could make a better ballistic bullet for the 22Lr yes it would still have a heal but it could be improved in other ways.
I agree. One argument I hear is it will be used for solid copper bullets for lead free areas, but there are already copper 22LR bullets.
Idk how this is gonna fair.
22lr is super established. Like, it's been pretty much stuck in the lives of folks around the world forever now. Trans-generational. Tried and true. Will the new 21 serve a niche? Yes, possibly. But 22mag already covers the seated and jacketed options that ELR rimfire shooters want. And I've already seen some shooters like "Mark & Sam after work", playing around with ELR 22mag projectiles that have better BC's and real potential.
So is there room left for what will essentially be a nurtured 22mag? Personally, IMO, I don't think so. I just don't see this one catching on. But eh, who knows anymore? Industry is STILL pushing 30 Soup for some reason, so... 😂 Yeah, it might end up being another 30SC. But at least 30SC had the appeal of 1-2 extra rounds in a defensive scenario. Ballistic performance def wasn't it's selling point 🙄 Nobody was looking for a cartridge to help "bridge the gap" btwn 9x17, 9x18 & 9x19, so are we looking for the same thing here with the new 21 rimfire?
A lotta folks say 22lr is antiquated and outdated, but wasn't rimfire itself considered the same bc of its ignition related reliability issues? I guess at some point in the future, we'll have to treat rimfire the same way we treat black powder and have fun while we just accept it for what it is. Maybe one day, rimfire will take us back in time during trips to the range and we'll enjoy the nostalgia 👍
Neither do I see it catching on but who knows?
Its gonna flop. 22 lr is cheap plinking and great for small game at normal ranges. Then 22wmr and 17hmr have it up to 150yrds. The 22lr benchrest guys love the fact its subsonic and quiet plus it being a 22lr is half the fun in the challenge. I don't see much of any area for 21 sharp to take off.
I'm not so sure. The prospect of a rimfire round round taking it to sub-MOA accuracy outside what I can do with 22lr kind of excites me for small game. Basically adding a ton of range for to my bunny and squirrel hunting. I don't think I've seen that with wmr or hmr. I'm curious to see how this is executed.
Agreed, it's a flop. Plus it cannot be fired an a 22 LR chamber.
@@PassivePortfolios you know someone will try to shoot it out of a 22lr by mistake to.
@@daltonbbf756 that's dangerous.
The purpose is that lead projectiles are being phased out as environmental hazards.
Sorry...it's gonna be like the .30 super cal....it's an answer to a question no one asked
What is 22 elr? What does elr stand for?
It stands for Extreme Long Range. Usually considered about 1 mile + for center fire and 500+ yards for rimfire
Talk about a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist!! Barely beating a 22 lr and not matching a 22 wmr. Total waste of time and energy developing such a ridiculous idea! Here’s a novel idea for the gun and ammunition industry, how about concentrating on producing guns and ammunition for the established calibers that people already own and want rather than trying to reinvent the wheel nonstop!
@jerrymoyer4085. You are right. It is a solution to be created by governments in the near future when they prohibit lead containing ammunition. The non-healed design will lend itself to projectiles consisting of solid copper or perhaps some other material.
Poor quality video.
It was obviously originally done as a TikTok