I'm keeping my 411 for sure now. Just got back from a lovely ride out to see my Son and his partner at Chippenham. The 411 chipped along nicely enough thank you very much :) A lot of riding experience between you three Old timers:) Old guys rule. Hahaaaaaaaa
Thanks for that, Dickie. My take-away is that the best thing about “the new one” is that it might free up some well-sorted “old ‘uns” as (some) people trade in.
A good honest review Dickie. I rode one for the first time this weekend and was really excited about it but I must admit I walked away a bit underwhelmed. I found it comfy for me at 6'2" and the little screen seemed quite effective for me. The clutch and gearbox were lovely and smooth but I do agree about the engine although the one I rode had less than 300 miles on it so time will tell. The main thing I found was it just didn't seem to have the character of the 411 and I have owned 2 of those in the past and are tempted to get another at less than 4k on the road while they are shifting all the old stock. Interesting what you said at the end about the CF Motto 450 as I asked the chap at the dealership where I test rode mine as they also do CF Motto how the Himalayans were selling and he said they were doing ok but have slowed down a bit now as a lot of people have said they are waiting to try the CF Motto first before they commit.
Thanks 🙂.. The 450 is a good bike no mistake..Lovely gearbox like you say.. It is a better bike in some respects but as the saying goes ‘ swings and roundabouts ‘…. Royal Enfield are the masters of marketing hype 😄… I’m going to put money on the CFMOTO 450 being one of the best buys out there..CFMOTO don’t do hype just good bikes..All my local dealers allocation are spoken for.. Plus demo bikes will initially be very thin on the ground..I’ve heard the 450 motor is derived from one of CFMOTO’s quad bikes so it’ll be torquey I reckon..I’ll keep my 411 , it does everything for me as long as I’m not in too much of a hurry .. Thanks for watching 👍ATB
Looks like a good bike for the price, but all the enfields are. It's not quite the do it all bike we were all expecting but they have done a great job building that bike, cheers for the videos!
Order one last got all excited.....test rode one last week found you need to rev it too much to get it going, which makes it very vibby. Suspension is the best improvement. Overall, I'm not impressed and I've cancelled my order. i will keep my Scram 😊
Good Morning Dickie , I must say i like the new Himalayan but you said you would'nt trade in you 411 for a new one & i have to agree with 100% the old one is in a class of its own , so take care & ride safe
Yerp… It’s a nice little engine.. Just found it a little vibey but then it is new.. Slightly better on the trail I think and obviously a higher cruising speed.. The cruising speed will be the carrot for most people 🙂👍
Interesting video thanks for making it always value these reviews over the paid stuff, I was one of the ones that had a nightmare with a 411 e5 as they couldn’t get the bits to sort it when it had issues, so ended up rejected was a shame as I really really liked the longstroke riding a 1927 16h Norton longstroke they really suit me :) love the look of the pre unit bullet great. If I was to revisit RE it’d be an old Pre Unit or a 411 again an use Hitchcocks. On a t7 at the mo it’s a shame Enfield couldn’t have stretched the valve clearances out on the Sherpa to be better 25k on the T7. I wish they had just given us all an updated 411 an kept it simple. Everyone’s taste is different though so guess it’s good the more options the better.
Firstly , thanks for watching and your kind comments..Shame about your experience with the B5..My old 4 hasn’t really had any issues apart from the good old rusty head race bearing problem .. Over 5 years down the line now and it gets used in the dirt and has at one point been partially submerged 😄.. Perhaps a 500 version of the 411 giving a little more bhp would of been the answer for a lot people but I think we’re now looking at the phasing out of air cooled motors regarding emissions and trying to keep them cool … Hopefully I’m wrong..I almost bought a Tenere ,fantastic bike & motor but went with the DE 800 in the end..Take care and ride safe 👍
@@DickieMintCycles very nice on the DE I had a 650xt for a while one of my all time favourite modern bikes :) yep I think we are probably looking at that I hope they at least manage to keep one in the range. A lot on my e5 himmy was down to a bad pdi by the dealer real shame. Keep up the ace vids :)
Definitely agree on the harsh feel of the engine and vibration after a test ride the other day. Also I found it had a weird sort of throttle response lag especially when shutting the throttle. Think I would wait a year until the problems are ironed out !
Weird isn’t it.. The old long stroke feeling a nicer motor .. Totally agree with you on the throttle response..It’s electronic..Thanks for watching 👍 ATB
Dickie,That was a pretty good ride out check of the new himmy, like you said it would be interesting for you to do a back to back comparison 450/411 to see what you think 😎👍
Your used to the slower long stroke bikes I think the new 450 you got to work the gear box it needs the revels ,but it dose every thing it says on the tin it’s a different animal jimmy Australia
It's a good bike Jimmy without a doubt...Not quite good enough to trade the 411 for...If my 411 blew its guts out tomoz i'd buy a 450 ....OR... the new CFMoto 450 that hasn't quite landed in the UK yet.....You guys are liking it a lot apparently 🙂ATB..
Hi Chris.. It’s a good bike.. With all of RE’s development team that get paid good money it’s going to be I guess 😄.. Wouldn’t trade my 411 for one though ..👍ATB
Saw this in the 1st 5hrs how I'm only commenting now.. you dropped out my feed..! You've summed it up pretty well as a fellow 411 owner, its got more complex, not an issue if you've the money, but the 411 was just the all-round affordable means of Biking, if not returning to a Bike. I've followed nathanthepostman his comment is it does just the same, yet he considers it heavy off the stand, carries upper weight, larger tank/air filter location.. still spent his money on one, yet early days. Interesting if Sandy would take it out, his views.. clear like myself, if it only offers going faster, weight is much the same, larger overall dimension wise.. my 411 will see me out. That note lets hope June is better weather.. Cheers
Hi Dewipeach.. Sorry I dropped a lot of comments and my apologise… The film got hit with a copyright claim even though it had the green light from TH-cam .. Had to take it down then re-edit a little then put it back up..Lost a lot of views and appreciated comments..Agree with what your saying.. We’ll get Sandy off his bicycle for a bit and get him on the 450 😄👍
Hi Dewipeach.. Sorry I dropped a lot of comments and my apologise… The film got hit with a copyright claim even though it had the green light from TH-cam .. Had to take it down then re-edit a little then put it back up..Lost a lot of views and appreciated comments..Agree with what your saying.. We’ll get Sandy off his bicycle for a bit and get him on the 450 😄👍
@@DickieMintCycles I'll have to re watch, it was late that I'd watched the video and was going to comment next day.. well later. Whot did cross my mind...! your having owned the BENELLI TRK 502 how does the 452 compare weight/dimension wise, as the Dealer which did me service had both models and looked like monsters, I'd dare not try lifting one off the side-stand.. until I see a 452 in the flesh guess not much idea, the 411 is still enough Bike for me, I'll not be making any change. Stay safe.. Davey
The 502X is a monster in comparison.. A lot bigger and heavier once the fuel tank is filled up..The 450 on the other hand was in my opinion slightly better to ride on the dirt than the 411..Keep an eye out for the new CFmoto 450 that’ll be the one I reckon 🙂👍
@@DickieMintCycles Sorry late reply.. the 502X looked well beyond my ability, yet well placed as the all singing/dancing bike on the crate, it did come with luggage..! The 452 has what the 411 lacked, but retains the weight, overall I'll not part with my 411.. Had I the room/money an need for a second bike, if the Scram came out with the motor and more Supermoto/Motard.. oh boy.. The CFmoto 450 will be one to watch and likely get a following, how are the Crew members getting on, still all happy with their pick so far. How's Mom. Stay safe, Bro. Cheers Davey
Quite underwhelmed by the 450 to be honest. My only bugbear with the 411 was it was underpowered and like trying to gee up a mule on fast roads, especially loaded up. Style wise I much prefer the 411, it has so much more character. RE have gone for giving it a facelift, when it was the speed and stamina of the engine holding it back!
😄..Yep, you ain’t got to be in a hurry on the 411…Which perhaps isn’t a bad thing to be honest.. 450 is a lot more usable on the highways though if you are in a hurry 🙂👍
I'm keeping my 411 for sure now. Just got back from a lovely ride out to see my Son and his partner at Chippenham. The 411 chipped along nicely enough thank you very much :)
A lot of riding experience between you three Old timers:) Old guys rule. Hahaaaaaaaa
Old power ✊…😆
Thanks for that, Dickie. My take-away is that the best thing about “the new one” is that it might free up some well-sorted “old ‘uns” as (some) people trade in.
It’s a good bike.. They’ve done their homework on it.. Just not worth trading the 411 for one .. If your a new buyer I’d say go for the 450… 👍
Thanks, that was ‘factual’ and worth hearing Dickie. Les
Nicely done Dickie! Thoroughly enjoyed that ride out and classy review😎👌👍
Another great video, Dickie! Thank you for the review. Motorcycles, good weather, and good friends, it doesn't get any better than that. Cheers!
Very true.. Thanks Dan 🙂👍
Dickie, What an excellent review and vid! Just straight to the point with everything! Do you do tool reviews for companies?
A good honest review Dickie. I rode one for the first time this weekend and was really excited about it but I must admit I walked away a bit underwhelmed. I found it comfy for me at 6'2" and the little screen seemed quite effective for me. The clutch and gearbox were lovely and smooth but I do agree about the engine although the one I rode had less than 300 miles on it so time will tell. The main thing I found was it just didn't seem to have the character of the 411 and I have owned 2 of those in the past and are tempted to get another at less than 4k on the road while they are shifting all the old stock. Interesting what you said at the end about the CF Motto 450 as I asked the chap at the dealership where I test rode mine as they also do CF Motto how the Himalayans were selling and he said they were doing ok but have slowed down a bit now as a lot of people have said they are waiting to try the CF Motto first before they commit.
Thanks 🙂.. The 450 is a good bike no mistake..Lovely gearbox like you say.. It is a better bike in some respects but as the saying goes ‘ swings and roundabouts ‘…. Royal Enfield are the masters of marketing hype 😄… I’m going to put money on the CFMOTO 450 being one of the best buys out there..CFMOTO don’t do hype just good bikes..All my local dealers allocation are spoken for.. Plus demo bikes will initially be very thin on the ground..I’ve heard the 450 motor is derived from one of CFMOTO’s quad bikes so it’ll be torquey I reckon..I’ll keep my 411 , it does everything for me as long as I’m not in too much of a hurry .. Thanks for watching 👍ATB
Looks like a good bike for the price, but all the enfields are. It's not quite the do it all bike we were all expecting but they have done a great job building that bike, cheers for the videos!
Tis a lovely bike Simon…They’ve done their homework and kept some of the 411 DNA.. 👍
Nice review Dickie, thank you for the information and your knowledge and experience. 👍👍👍
I try 😆👍
Well done to you for another honest review from someone who is well experienced to know what he's talking about. 😊😊😊
Thanks Col.. Kind words…And thanks for your input with the vid…You know what your talking about as well 🙂👍
Order one last got all excited.....test rode one last week found you need to rev it too much to get it going, which makes it very vibby. Suspension is the best improvement. Overall, I'm not impressed and I've cancelled my order. i will keep my Scram 😊
Good Morning Dickie , I must say i like the new Himalayan but you said you would'nt trade in you 411 for a new one & i have to agree with 100% the old one is in a class of its own , so take care & ride safe
The new Himi is a damn good bike.. But for me personally I’ll let the 411 run it’s course and see how many miles it’ll do ..👍
Great review, i understand this version has shims instead of locknut tappets.
Yerp… It’s a nice little engine.. Just found it a little vibey but then it is new.. Slightly better on the trail I think and obviously a higher cruising speed.. The cruising speed will be the carrot for most people 🙂👍
Thanks dickie. Nice coverage but like you will be keeping my 2020 411. Cheers
I reckon 🙂👍
Interesting video thanks for making it always value these reviews over the paid stuff, I was one of the ones that had a nightmare with a 411 e5 as they couldn’t get the bits to sort it when it had issues, so ended up rejected was a shame as I really really liked the longstroke riding a 1927 16h Norton longstroke they really suit me :) love the look of the pre unit bullet great.
If I was to revisit RE it’d be an old Pre Unit or a 411 again an use Hitchcocks. On a t7 at the mo it’s a shame Enfield couldn’t have stretched the valve clearances out on the Sherpa to be better 25k on the T7.
I wish they had just given us all an updated 411 an kept it simple. Everyone’s taste is different though so guess it’s good the more options the better.
Firstly , thanks for watching and your kind comments..Shame about your experience with the B5..My old 4 hasn’t really had any issues apart from the good old rusty head race bearing problem .. Over 5 years down the line now and it gets used in the dirt and has at one point been partially submerged 😄.. Perhaps a 500 version of the 411 giving a little more bhp would of been the answer for a lot people but I think we’re now looking at the phasing out of air cooled motors regarding emissions and trying to keep them cool … Hopefully I’m wrong..I almost bought a Tenere ,fantastic bike & motor but went with the DE 800 in the end..Take care and ride safe 👍
@@DickieMintCycles very nice on the DE I had a 650xt for a while one of my all time favourite modern bikes :) yep I think we are probably looking at that I hope they at least manage to keep one in the range. A lot on my e5 himmy was down to a bad pdi by the dealer real shame. Keep up the ace vids :)
Definitely agree on the harsh feel of the engine and vibration after a test ride the other day. Also I found it had a weird sort of throttle response lag especially when shutting the throttle. Think I would wait a year until the problems are ironed out !
Weird isn’t it.. The old long stroke feeling a nicer motor .. Totally agree with you on the throttle response..It’s electronic..Thanks for watching 👍 ATB
Dickie,That was a pretty good ride out check of the new himmy, like you said it would be interesting for you to do a back to back comparison 450/411 to see what you think 😎👍
High Collin.. It’s still on the cards.. There was an issue with insurance on that particular day regarding multiple riders ..👍
Your used to the slower long stroke bikes I think the new 450 you got to work the gear box it needs the revels ,but it dose every thing it says on the tin it’s a different animal jimmy Australia
It's a good bike Jimmy without a doubt...Not quite good enough to trade the 411 for...If my 411 blew its guts out tomoz i'd buy a 450 ....OR... the new CFMoto 450 that hasn't quite landed in the UK yet.....You guys are liking it a lot apparently 🙂ATB..
Tried, and loved it, but I think it would be a while before I got rid of my 411, which is a completely different bike. I love mine 😍.
Hi Chris.. It’s a good bike.. With all of RE’s development team that get paid good money it’s going to be I guess 😄.. Wouldn’t trade my 411 for one though ..👍ATB
Saw this in the 1st 5hrs how I'm only commenting now.. you dropped out my feed..!
You've summed it up pretty well as a fellow 411 owner, its got more complex, not an issue if you've the money, but the 411 was just the all-round affordable means of Biking, if not returning to a Bike.
I've followed nathanthepostman his comment is it does just the same, yet he considers it heavy off the stand, carries upper weight, larger tank/air filter location.. still spent his money on one, yet early days.
Interesting if Sandy would take it out, his views.. clear like myself, if it only offers going faster, weight is much the same, larger overall dimension wise.. my 411 will see me out. That note lets hope June is better weather.. Cheers
Hi Dewipeach.. Sorry I dropped a lot of comments and my apologise… The film got hit with a copyright claim even though it had the green light from TH-cam .. Had to take it down then re-edit a little then put it back up..Lost a lot of views and appreciated comments..Agree with what your saying.. We’ll get Sandy off his bicycle for a bit and get him on the 450 😄👍
Hi Dewipeach.. Sorry I dropped a lot of comments and my apologise… The film got hit with a copyright claim even though it had the green light from TH-cam .. Had to take it down then re-edit a little then put it back up..Lost a lot of views and appreciated comments..Agree with what your saying.. We’ll get Sandy off his bicycle for a bit and get him on the 450 😄👍
@@DickieMintCycles I'll have to re watch, it was late that I'd watched the video and was going to comment next day.. well later.
Whot did cross my mind...! your having owned the BENELLI TRK 502 how does the 452 compare weight/dimension wise, as the Dealer which did me service had both models and looked like monsters, I'd dare not try lifting one off the side-stand.. until I see a 452 in the flesh guess not much idea, the 411 is still enough Bike for me, I'll not be making any change.
Stay safe.. Davey
The 502X is a monster in comparison.. A lot bigger and heavier once the fuel tank is filled up..The 450 on the other hand was in my opinion slightly better to ride on the dirt than the 411..Keep an eye out for the new CFmoto 450 that’ll be the one I reckon 🙂👍
@@DickieMintCycles Sorry late reply.. the 502X looked well beyond my ability, yet well placed as the all singing/dancing bike on the crate, it did come with luggage..!
The 452 has what the 411 lacked, but retains the weight, overall I'll not part with my 411..
Had I the room/money an need for a second bike, if the Scram came out with the motor and more Supermoto/Motard.. oh boy..
The CFmoto 450 will be one to watch and likely get a following, how are the Crew members getting on, still all happy with their pick so far.
How's Mom.
Stay safe, Bro. Cheers Davey
Quite underwhelmed by the 450 to be honest. My only bugbear with the 411 was it was underpowered and like trying to gee up a mule on fast roads, especially loaded up. Style wise I much prefer the 411, it has so much more character. RE have gone for giving it a facelift, when it was the speed and stamina of the engine holding it back!
😄..Yep, you ain’t got to be in a hurry on the 411…Which perhaps isn’t a bad thing to be honest.. 450 is a lot more usable on the highways though if you are in a hurry 🙂👍
Great vid cheers, having sold my 411 and now missing the smiles, would you go 452 or brand new 411?.
The 452 ..🙂👍