The Old versus The New, I test ride the Royal Enfield Himalayan 452.
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- This one has been a long time coming, and is a record of a very basic test-ride of the new Himalayan 452 from Royal Enfield, from Smalley Cross Motorcycles, near Derby. This test-ride has posed me more questions than answers, and was a particularly interesting experience.
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I can relate to your emotions. My 411 took all around the country and not once she gave up on me. I loved the new himalayan but can not think of parting ways with my 411.
Good morning Navin, yes this old (2020) 411 of mine has taken me to some wonderful places, particularly across in Spain etc, and Scotland, so it would be very hard to let it go.
The new bike is very impressive though, and I wouldn't say no to one in the shed. Cheers and thanks for watching. 👍
Don't get yourself in debt right now. Love the one you're with. Wait a couple years to buy a used 452 at half the price. 👍👍
Good morning, yes that's the plan to be honest, and by which time we'll know about teething problems (if indeed there are any) cheers. 👍
Hello Martin.
New 450 can't be a bad choice for sure.
In my case when the 411 came on sale I had been waiting so long for the reborn of a interesting long stroke single cylinder trail bike.
So the 411 might be the last of a kind again.
In my case, it's simplicity and efficiency suits me fine and therefore I will stick to my "last of a kind" 411.
Thanks for the good review.
Take care.
Tony from France.👍
Good evening Anthony, yes I suspect that a lot of buyers will be those new to the Himalayan family. A lot of those I've spoken to just don't want to give up on their rattly old 411, myself included, but there are a number who will go for a 452 as well as, as against instead of.
Thanks for watching again anyway. Cheers. 👍
I've got a classic 500 and I sometimes think get something else but then I go for a ride and realise it's got character that I would miss.. 19 Tooth sprocket and a KNN filter cruises at 65-70mph 90mpg so all good... The grass is always greener? Great review...
Evening Paul, and thanks for your comments. You definitely have a point regarding bikes with character, it counts for a lot with most of us I think. Still a great bike all the same. I'll be watching developments with interest. Thanks again. 👍
Morning Martin. Nice to see you out.that was different. The 450 looks nice ...but the 411 is like family it's never let you down and you know all its quirks. Looking forward to you scotland adventure. Ride safe sir ..the old fella
Hi Dave, yes there's no doubt about it, I felt as guilty as hell riding Blizzard back home! 🤦
I can't lie though, that 452 is an impressive bike, and given the wherewithal, there'd be one taking up residence in the man-cave. 👍
Beat me to the test ride - since I canceled my order at Bob Minions...they've not been in touch!! A great review - I've posted it on the NC forum as there is a decent Himmy contingent on there. I rode back from Nathans in Devon today and got involved with a RE test rider which initially I thought was a 452 Himmy but I noticed the sari guard and a different tank so i think he was test riding what I have to assume will be the road going version. It was fast, My NC was out accelerating it but not by much. He must have been ragging it but from what I've read and seen they like the revs the new Engine. I'll try and get a go on Smalleys bike next week - btw I rode Nathans Triumph scrambler and that engine is superb - torque and power across the rev range lovely.
Hi Nev, that must be a bit of a disappointment for you, but you'll get a ride on Smalley Cross's machine I'm sure.
I'm thinking about having a ride on Staffordshire Triumph's 400 fairly soon, having read so many good things about it. I don't regard road tests as my forté really, but this one was an interesting experience.
Hopefully you enjoyed visiting Nathan, I got my timing wrong when I was down there a year ago, but at least I met up with Saddlebags 73.
Thanks for watching again anyway Nev, and stay safe. 👍
What a lovely rewiev! Enjoyed it very much!
Martin, Just found the channel, nice work, a good (normal) balanced review.
Evening Lee and thanks for watching. I have to admit that I'm not much of test rider, but I felt that I had to put my views out there - not to everyone's liking but I stick by it. Thanks for your comments, it's appreciated. 👍
Hi Martin, A good interesting review. I’m looking forward to the Scottish and Spanish videos this year!🏍️🏍️
Good afternoon Stephen, yes it was an interesting ride to be honest. Scotland is upon us though, hopefully Braemar and Royal Deeside a week on Monday. 🤞
Great review Martin. Interesting to hear your take on it. Some similarities to my thoughts, but also some possibly surprising differences. I think it has so much potential that's for sure 👍
Cheers Chris and thanks for watching. There's one heck of a lot of us having our say about the 452, and so many of us have different needs I suppose. I look forward to seeing your input and making comparisons. Cheers again. 👍
Another great video and a good review, there’s a lot of us in the same boat with out lovely but slow 411s. I’m better informed now , but still none-the-wiser! Thanks Martin
Good morning Ian, those are my thoughts entirely, and it would seem to be the thoughts of many. For my part I'll just sit back and see what transpires. If necessary I'll sell the sidecar outfit and submit to RE's wishes.
Thanks for watching again anyway. Cheers 👍
Good evening Nicholas, it's good to hear from you. Yes I know exactly what you mean, and I know that it makes sense to move on eventually. I propose getting this year's bigger trips out of the way first, then maybe reconsidering before next year. It may just be time to watch this space. Thanks for watching again anyway. Cheers. 👍
hey man i saw your video and you looked kind of down in mood. so cheer up man! life is cool bro.
ENJOY!!!!
Hello there, and thanks for your comments, although I don't really understand what you mean. I'm quite happy with what I do in my videos so I'm more than a little surprised that you should think I'm not. Oh well, I must try and develop my smile. 😊
Hi Martin, looking forward to this one. Will grab a coffee and put my cans on and watch ! See you in a bit !
Hi Garry, well test-rides aren't really my strong point, so don't get too excited! Cheers. 😎
Thanks for that, I will be keeping my 411, It is more than enough for me, It fits me like a glove.
Cheers Steve, I think there's a growing number of us who feel that way, the 411's a much easier bike to make your own IMHO. Thanks for watching again anyway. 👍
Good opinion on new himalayan....ive only watched yours and bingleys vids... the internet is flooding with previews....but im done now... i do think the new bike is superb.👏👏..but after selling my 2019 himalayan i missed it... so bought a new 411 in march....second last one availble at my local dealer . At same cost as my new 2019 411.😊....and as you say the 411 covers all my needs at this time....atb ..👍👍
Good morning David, yes the 452 definitely impressed me, moreso than I expected truth to tell, and if at sometime in the not too distant future I decide to sell the sidecar outfit, I could well be tempted to make the change, but for the moment I just don't feel the need. The ride home on my 411 brought home to me just how much I enjoy using the rattly old (2020?) thing, and how well it fulfills my needs - however, it may be worth watching this space once any teething problems are sorted (if indeed there are any) Thanks again for watching. 👍
Interesting video, and good comments ... I will eventually get to try one out at smalley cross . Ive got to admit I did think I would be first in the queue and trade the 411 in but I can't seriously see if itll give me anymore smiles per mile ...maybe the unicorn everyone is looking for already exists in the 411
Good evening, well it's obvious that others have had a variety of reactions. I was very much impressed with the new bike, but for the moment my 411 ticks my boxes for my needs, which not to say that I wouldn't have a 452 in the man-cave if I had the wherewithal. I'd say that you really must give one a try for your own peace of mind. Thanks for watching anyway, cheers. 👍
Well done Martin, lots of reviews coming in. Have looked at some Indian Journos and some teething troubles as with any new bikes/cars. I still can’t do with anything less than 70bhp. Have you ever ridden a vstrom? Best bike I’ve ever owned. Yours is best review so far. Thought would be better on fuel with only 40bhp. My 70bhp v strom does 65-75mpg
Cheers Mick, it took me a long time to come down from my 955i Tiger, and I can't pretend that it didn't take a lot of adjustment on my part. I've not ridden a vstrom (yet) but I've ridden my son's 650 Versys and that was impressive. The smaller bike idea is a bit of an age thing with me, and I'm pretty much used to it now. I'm glad you appreciated my little offering though, especially as I don't tend to do bike reviews. Thanks again. 😎
I just bounced over from watching Charlie - Rest Day Rider having just rode same Bike and her views.. not knocked her socks off.
I too am of the same opinion, nice Bike, has all the attributes the 411 came lacking, yet didn't fail as a package, ok all come with issues, the 452 no exception..
The 411 was by design that bike for the tinkerer, the aftermarket addons and home market mechanic.. 452 has stepped up and a different class.
I'd like one, if no heavier, no longer or wider.. and the 411 price not plummeted..! will the price level up.. unlikely, depends on the market for the 452 and demand for 411's
I do wonder how vulnerable those all-in-one indicators are in a drop and having one or no lights..!
Stay safe. Cheerio Davey
She was unimpressed with Derbyshire but as I replied to her she wasn’t it the best part for decent riding roads
Morning Davey, nice to hear from you. Yes it's an impressive bike, and as I said there doesn't seem to be much in the way of 'improvement' opportunities, apart from 'bar risers, handguards, pannier rails......see, we've started already!!
All in all, the 452's a good package, and yes, I'm impressed by it, but let's give it a year or so and see what the story is then.
Thanks for watching again anyway Davey, and stay safe my friend. 👍
@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121Yep Martin, That's as it happened with the 411 by time I'd got it together.. all the eggs, my new 21 and last of BS4s had all been sorted, other than why I'd the recall on Calipers, I've had no problems than slight misting, but the BS5s had relay issues out the gate.. nothing is ever perfect.. there'd be no fun..!
Right back at Ya.. stay safe.. Cheerio
I'd just like to think that RE might've learned from their mistakes, so yes we'll wait and see. For the moment though, I'm happy with my 411. Thanks for watching anyway Judy. 👍
@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121 I think they may have made one here.. the Airbox is under the tank.. yes, looked tight to get at Cam cover too.. I'd watched a video from down-under, a kindly Garage took the tank off for video.. two man job, if you needed regular Filter inspection/clean/change..
411 the tank off is solely Tappets at Service Intervals..
I'm not out to change.. 411s 3rd birthday May 7th.. will still be younger than me that day.
Cheers Judy..! was a weekend.. SWMBO had left signed in with one of her accounts on my Dell.. I was on gmail an it used that.. Honest.. Davey
Good, honest review, Martin.
Cheers Peter, but on reflection I wish I'd had a longer and more varied ride. Understandably Smalley Cross have a constant stream of test-ride customers, hence the time limitations.
@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121 Yes I imagine there's quite a waiting list to try one out. Your relationship with Blizzard being a less complicated machine is quite strong, especially as you've ridden to some great places together.
Yes it's understandable how much demand there is given the hype, but I will say that it's not undeserved Peter, as it's a most impressive bike. I just felt a tad guilty as I was riding Blizzard back home! 🤦
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Morning Martin. Were you using the DJI OA3 ? What settings did you have, as I don’t see much flickering on the screen like most of us have encountered.
Hello again Ian, yes the OA3 has become my go-to camera now, although I still haven't got the audio as I'd like it. I don't have the camera with me just now, but I know I've got it set at 2.7k and 25fpm, which seems to be ok.
@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121From what I have been told, and through some investigations, it would seem that you recording at 25 fps, has worked. Mine and a lot of other reviewers (at least the ones I could tell), were using equal numbers, like 30 fps. You might have recorded at 2.7k, but did you edit at 1080p ? That’s the max resolution I can get to watch on this video 🤔
Yes Ian, in the past I've exported at 4k, but I'm in dire straits with my computer equipment just lately, and 1080 was the best I could get out of my poxy standby PC last night, and my more capable laptop seems to have blown its graphics, so I've got some sorting out to do!
Great to see you on the 450. I can’t imagine it’s a match for the 411 off road, but I expect the extra horses will have many making the upgrade.
Good morning SB, yes it was great to ride it to be honest, and I was most impressed, but I just can't justify chopping Blizzard in for one - not yet at least. I'll keep a close eye on developments regarding any teething problems etc. Thanks for watching anyway. 👍
Offroad the 450 leaves the 411 in the dust... totally different league..🧐
@@leifiseland1218 I can’t argue as I haven’t ridden a 450, but I’d have to see it to believe it. The 411 with knobblies will chug through anything (given enough ground clearance).
@@leifiseland1218but a lot more vulnerable if you have an off.
@@leifiseland1218 yes I've seen MADtv's video in Australia, giving the 452 a thorough test off-road, and it certainly didn't seem to be left wanting. I just didn't want to take a brand new bike on the trails yesterday, maybe when it's got a few miles on the clock I'll have another ride on it.
Nice one Martin. You seem to have sorted the audio on Blizzard although strangely, it was not so good on the 452???
Cheers Allan, yes I seem to be getting there with the Action 3 now, but I think some of it's down to screen design. Still a work in progress it seems.
I had a spin on one and did try it on some dual carriageway…..and that’s what went against an otherwise good package….vibration. Quite harsh, especially through the pegs. It would be ok for the city commute or back lane scratch, but loaded up with travelling intentions for a week or three? Not for me, I think the Honda CB500NX could possibly be the better choice.
Hello Nigel, yes I have heard about the vibration issues, but as I mistakenly treated the test victim with kid-gloves, it wasn't part of my findings. I'll still reserve judgment for when these new models have done some decent mileage. For me the 411 is here to stay - for now. 👍
Greetings, Martin. I was waiting from this video from bunch of other channels but not from you. Curious to see your thoughts.
One other thing is that with the new one, I have few offers 2nd hand on the market, almost new for almost half the price on the new one..
Morning Stefan, I must admit to having mixed feelings about the 452, and maybe a longer and more varied ride would've been better, but I fully intend going back to Smalley Cross for another ride, once the initial rush has subsided.
Yes, now is a very good time to get a deal on a new 411. Thanks for watching again anyway. 👍
Very nice looking bike, but for me I love the air cooled 411 engine and analogue clocks etc even the power or lack of it as people say it’s just full of character, I haven’t test rode the new one yet but I think I would miss the character and old school looks.
Thanks for watching, and yes you've pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I think a good percentage of 411 owners will have the same idea. That's not to say that I wouldn't give one space in the shed. As well as rather than instead of. Cheers. 👍
I’d love to have a go of one, I use mine for light off road and winter and wouldn’t replace it with a 452 but if I was to replace my nc750 and himi I think I’d be tempted.
Morning Lyndon, I know just what you mean, and it was riding the trail on the way home yesterday that convinced me that I really don't need to replace Blizzard. It's a good while since I rode the NC750, but I think I know what you mean, the 452 will definitely be more capable on the faster roads.
Still keeping my 2023 Himalayan as only a yr or so passed test.
Have to test ride the new one also! Still not that keen on the new design but like the gold and black.
P s def struggle with the stock mirrors on the 411.
Good morning and thanks for watching again.
Yes, there's one or two differences to address, but I would urge you to take a test-ride. I'm not a black bike person really, but I must admit this one looks the business.
I know just what you mean about the stock mirror placement on the 411, which is why I use a pair of extenders - helps a lot.
Cheers. 👍
I don't think there's any comparison. It's a far superior bike in every way. My local dealer told me to rag it when l took the demo out! Somewhat surprised, but he wanted me to get the best out of it. It's an amazing bike for 40HP and a lot fun.
As you say, a different bike in so many ways, and on the face of it much more refined than the 411. I just won't let myself get too excited......yet! I first tried the original Himalayan in early 2018, and on reflection I'm glad I let the model get settled before getting mine. So yes, I'll do the same with the new model.
Evening Martin, the Himalayan is not my type of bike as I am a road rider but it certainly looks like the new bike is a big upgrade on the original. The lad next door has the 411 and he loves it and was telling me only yesterday that he wants another bike with a bit more pep but he intends to keep the 411. There are bikes that are just a perfect partner for you and the 411 seems to be that one. For me, the NC750X is the one that pushes my buttons.
Hi Alex and good to hear from you. In all honesty I didn't buy the Himalayan to go green laning originally, but for health reasons - as in back problems. For many years I enjoyed riding my 955i Tiger but it was obvious that I needed something lighter, and the Himalayan eventually fit the bill, low power or not. Virtually all my travels involve mountains (and mountain roads) so it's a bike that makes sense to me. The 452 certainly has more pep, and in many ways makes sense for me, but I'm hanging back for a while to see how things go teething trouble wise.
Royal Deeside a week on Monday, so we'll see how that goes. 😊
Good review 👍👍👍
Morning Tony and thanks for that. This sort of thing isn't really my core purpose on here, but it's certainly stirred up some interest! Cheers. 👍
Hello Martin,, I muchly agree with your comments.. I have a 2018 bike and its been with me since new... I doubt its worth much to a dealer ,so I intend to keep until its at least 10yrs old ,, In my opinion the new Himalayan is designed to sell in the west not India,its probably alot better bike and will do pretty everything better,,,but does it have the charm,I dare say not... Incidently at the end of the month I going down to spain on my bike ,,,back roads all the way to Cadiz.... from there who knows where!!! reagrds
Hi, and thanks for those comments. Yes my 411 is very much here to stay. The 452 definitely impressed me with its performance and efficiency, and it's obvious that RE have listened to their critics, so I intend keeping an eye on developments with the bike, and if I manage to raise sufficient funds, I haven't written off the idea of a 452 residing in the man-cave - we'll just have to see! 😊
Enjoy your Spanish trip come what may; it's a country I've grown to love on the bike, and I'm greatly looking forward to my own trip across there in October. Cheers. 👍
Haha ! Always rag a demo bike Martin because I know how the dealers ride them !!! My RE dealer took us out on a group ride once, riding a brand new Meteor with 0km on it. We had to use a stretch of motorway to get to where we wanted to go and the dealer pinned the brand new Meteor and was doing 120 kph the whole time ( for about 20 minutes ). I wasn't prepared to ride my fully run in Buddy that hard !!! I let him get on with it and caught up later. So since then, I have successfully overcome my urge to baby demo bikes ( although of course that's what my instincts tell me to do to a brand new bike ! ).
It was interesting to hear your views on the 452 since you clearly know the 411 like the back of your hand and have done some major rides on one.
I should be able to test one soon but I am already expecting to feel as you do. I don't think it will be for me, not least because I don't have a Himalayan for road riding, so why should I spend the extra money on road performance that I don't need ? By all accounts the 411 engine is better off-road, the 452 only superior on faster trails, thanks to its extra power and better suspension. For technical trails where the revs drop, the folks in India seem to think that the 411 is infinitely better because it will pick up without any feathering of the clutch.
Also, although the 452 is being lauded as a budget ADV bike, the base price does not include any of the off-road bits like crash guards, hand guards, luggage racks etc. By the time you kit your 452 out to the point that you'd be happy to take it off-road and not risk damaging it too badly, it is no longer a cheap bike IMO.
You have the 411 set up exactly how you like it and you'd have to spend a fair wedge to bring a base price 452 up to the same spec Martin.
I am 99.9% certain that I will like the 452 but will conclude that the 411 is the right bike for my use case.
Those with a different use case will probably find the 452 to be a decent upgrade on their 411.
And then of course there is the financial aspect to consider - well, for most of us at least !
I will probably conclude that just because it is newer, that doesn't make it better than the bike I have. At least not in any way that actually applies to my use case !
I look forward to trying the 452 myself and rest assured that I will be taking it up to 70 mph to see how it feels at motorway speeds ( and above 👹 ).
Always rag a demo bike Martin. Just never buy one ! 😂
Cheers Martin,
Garry
Well yes, I know exactly what you mean now Garry, because when I handed the keys back and mentioned not trying it at motorway speeds because it's new, Craig had a bit of a go at me for not doing! Said that he's sat at 75mph in 5th, just to see how it reacted - so no more pampering demonstrators! 😅
I can't help thinking that someone coming into the 'Himalayan family' will be the ideal buyer, but more and more 411 owners seem to be taking the same view as me (and yourself by the sound of it) and sticking with what they know. There's no doubt though, you'll thoroughly enjoy testing the 452 - it's an impressive bike!
This was my first recording of a test-ride, and the amount of interest has blown me away - over 3k views!! (and 40 more subscribers) so I'm thinking that there might be more to come, in particular the Hunter, which intrigues me to be honest, so it might be a case of watch this space! 🤔😅
Cheers anyway Garry, just getting things ready for Scotland next week, so fingers crossed for the results of that one! 😎
@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121 Hi Martin. Yes, bike test ride reviews always do well, particularly if it is a recently launched model. There is a reason why there are 8.987.098.774.988, ( accurate at the last time of counting, ) bike review channels on TH-cam 😂
Personally I would only test ride a bike that I could see myself buying, so that limits my options somewhat ! Also, demo bikes are few and far between in this part of Spain, so more often than not I can't even test the bikes that I am genuinely interested in buying !
Well done Martin, wishing you good luck for your Scotland trip !
Cheers Martin,
Garry
Well Martin, in the end, the 450 didn’t grab you in the same way it grabbed me yesterday. If the funds were available, I would have one in a heartbeat 😊, but only as a second bike to Clementine 😉
Hi Ian, well I have to say that if I wasn't a Himalayan owner, I would probably go for one in all honesty, but on the ride home I came to realise that Blizzard really does everything I want it to do. Like yourself though, if money wasn't an issue, I'd have a 452 alongside Blizzard (and Daisy) straight away. Quite honestly, I still find myself pondering between the two, so who knows, after Scotland and Spain/Portugal this year, I might be of a different frame of mind. I certainly don't see the CF Moto 450 as an alternative any more.
Interesting pespective with jumping back on the 411 after. With the ride by wire throttle maybe they will add cruise control to the 452 down the line?
Thanks for watching Andy, yes I know now that they're totally different bikes in many ways, but a lot of people are looking to replace their 411 with a 452, so I feel that a comparison has to be made. Regarding cruise control? nothing would surprise me. Cheers. 👍
Thanks for the video , I also want a test ride on one., but we still don't have them here yet , I am thinking of getting one I will let you know what I think about it ,when I have an test ride
Cheers John and thanks for watching. Hopefully they'll reach your neck of the woods fairly soon, and I'm sure you'll be impressed. I know that if I didn't have my 411 Himalayan already, I'd probably have placed an order yesterday.
Hi Martin great video as always but should you get one well only you can make that decision but you say you feel better on blizzard but you need more time on the new one then you might change your mind but as one old boy told me years ago it’s better the one you know than the one you don’t and as you said if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but if we all went along with that advice we’d all keep what we’d got then they’d never sell anymore and we’d never know decisions 🤷♂️ decisions anyway hope your keeping well ride safe take care 👋
Hi martin. Whats the new engine sound like ? Has it lost the 411 bangs and clatter ...
Hi Jim, well I have to say that mechanically the 452 engine does appear to be - how shall I put it - lacking in character? Definitely not as clattery as the air cooled engine, that's for certain. It was good to have Blizzard's engine talking to me on the ride home!
A good video Martin and a fair appraisal of the 452.
I’m pretty sure it will sell well for RE.
I have not ridden the 452; but there are a few things that put me off buying the 452 just yet. The first is I love my 411 too much. Second is the fuel tank. Third it’s water cooled and forth the speedo. Nothing wrong with the 452, these are all my personal opinion.
I am lucky enough to have an Interceptor as well as Hera my Himalayan; so when it comes to the time I must replace Hera, I should like to stick with the RE brand. Hera is 3 yrs old in June and I intend to keep her for many years yet. So a Mk3 or even a Mk4 Himalayan might be out by the time I’m ready to replace Hera. For sure, as you said there are some issues regarding the 411’s power that raise there head on occasion. But, like many owners I adjust my riding (which a lot of the time is two up) accordingly.
As always Martin it has been a pleasure to watch and again, I find myself in agreement with your comments on the 452.
Great work Martin and ride safe.
Cheers
Neil
Good evening Neil, and so good to read your comments. This was my first attempt at recording a test ride, although I apparently shouldn't have pampered the new bike, so yes, lessons learned.
I was impressed with the bike, but I just don't want to replace Blizzard, which is a bike that ticks my boxes, so there's just no need.
I must admit that had I had more time to play with, I'd have given it a more comprehensive try-out, so maybe once the rush has died away a bit, I might take it out again.
Thanks again for watching again anyway, cheers Neil and stay safe. 😎
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I treat brand new courtesy and road test bikes very gently too; I would have done just the same as you. So, yes, have another ride when the bike has few more miles on and see what you think then.
I know how you feel about Blizzard;,I’m the same about Hera; these 411 are so good, they get into your soul.
Mind how you go my friend.
Yes Neil, Blizzard certainly got into my soul, under my skin and in my heart big style, but yes I fully intend giving the new bike a more thorough test. Thanks again. 👍
You didn't mention it but I noticed the stalling issue at some junctions ? another You Tuber had the same thing happen on that actual bike ....Did you think it was user error or an issue ? Thanks Dave.
Hi Dave, yes I watched Charlie (Rest Day Rider) too, and I have to admit to a bit of rider error. I don't think the 452 has quite the same low throttle torque as the 411, which both Charlie and myself are used to. (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!) Of course it was a bonus to have to practice with the killswitch/start button too. 😏 Definitely not a bike issue. Thanks for watching anyway. Cheers. 👍
@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121 ah right that's OK then , it's just other bikes have had some similar issues on early examples .... glad you owned up 😁
Presume they are hard to find down South as Rest Day Rider travelled all the way from Wiltshire to try one out at Smalley Cross. She has the old Himmy for comparison
Good morning, yes I watched Charlie's video before I edited mine. I'm surprised that she had to come this far north, but I get the impression that she'll not be replacing Roger any time soon. I'd definitely have one alongside Blizzard, but not instead of..... not yet anyway. Thanks for watching again anyway. Cheers 👍
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I get the impression that much of the appeal of Royal Enfields is the simplicity so while the new one has more technology that may not suit those loyal to the brand
Yes, ride by wire? not my cup of tea, but I'm having 2nd thoughts about the bucket and shim valve adjustment now though. 5k miles service intervals is a big improvement. I did take to the TFT dial though, which surprised me. I think the circular nod to classic origins works to an extent.
An honest review Martin. I'm looking at my wallet and wondering if I can afford one.
Thanks David, yes I have the same problem - something would have to go to make way for it (and provide the funds) Cheers. 😎
This bike will sit on the motorway at 120 klm all day long
Of that there's no doubt Jimmy, I just wish I'd pushed it harder instead of mollycoddling a new engine.
hello, please fix your mic audio feels very low
Hi, it's not perfect yet, but it's a work in progress. Thanks.
That curve in 5th gear at 20 m, the sound of the engine... why would anyone drive like that, i had to close the video there... that's way worse for the engine than revving it a bit higher. Dam, that hurt to whatch...
Well I suppose that as my subscriber level rises, (and it went up exponentially with this video, so it can't have been that bad!), there's going to be more opportunities to attract armchair critics such as yourself, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. I was on the bike and you weren't!
@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121 Well, if you are proud whith that riding skils, good on you, and thats why (don't buy demo bikes) they had this type of riders on them... anyway don't worry about me you wont get any more comments from me, and good luck whith with you chanel (ps... I did read your other responce, good or negative comments are good for the chanel engagement, you should not be so quick to get offended by a critic, i shall make a nuisance of myself elsewhere... Be Well...
There's a major difference between constructive criticism and insulting belligerence 🙄
It's obvious from my own experience, and a very small number of comments, that reporting on road tests aren't my forté, so rest assured I'll stick to content that seems to be appreciated.
@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121 I wouldn't change a thing if I were you. It's clear from the vast majority of your comments that your content is appreciated, so don't be deterred by nitpicking.
Not an impressive review sorry, no offence. Not showing performance on dual carriageway or motorway surely is crucial to viewers? Offroad fair enough it is so wet. For the life i dont understand why you and some of your contributors refer to the two models as the 411 and the 452???? Enfield wont thank you for not using the official model names? They sell the Himalayan as the 410 and the new 450 why you are obsessed with such a pedantic point is confusing. I find it totally bizarre so my Volvo 2.0 Se which is on the back right panel, and in handbook and is what it is when you deal with Volvo is now a 1998 se confusing everyone you with?? It is purile when you get asked the model number give it for Gods sake? I have the Suzuki GSX S1000gt in your world i tell Suzuki it is an S999?? Bizarre behaviour. Your review for me was really half hearted and lacked so much about the tecno, usb, sat nav phone app to mention a few. The stand angle etc, centre stand option. Pilliion options, seat height, weight, torque nm, the hand controls, what did what? toolkit seriously quite a pitifill effort. The 450 has done really well your viewers would as would, to watch the Himalayan with the Triumph and the Ntk on tour in India done by simon. You can search on those three bikes, they all swap and vote at the end. They give a proper review for each bike. Sorry i dont know why you bothered. Your reference to Blizzard blew me away? Is that your name? My Bike would consume you totally. Now all your 411ers and 452ers will be slagging me off No doubt. Thank God we are all different. Sorry but not for me, you told me nothing. Did you serve the good will of your dealer? Good luck with Blizzard the 411 that will confuse the shit out enfield when you want parts etc...
Oh well, broken eggs and omelettes etc. I now know what I can get away with with a brand new bike. Apart from anything else I felt that I needed to know what the hype is all about.
As an example, no more...
Scooter < SYM JET14 EVO 200 >
But ... data in Spec = < Displacement - 169.0 c.c. >
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I don't think this is correct to fully understand... 🤔
Correct name = < SYM JET14 EVO 169 > 😆