£40,000 Patek Philippe vs £10,000 Girard Perregaux | Watchfinder & Co.
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- You don’t have to ask around too much to discover that Patek Philippe’s 5170 is considered one of, if not the best chronographs ever made. It’s slick, it’s slim, it’s executed to perfection-but it also costs some £40,000. Just how close can you get for a quarter of the price?
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So I get home to finally having bought a Cartier Tank, and this guy uploads a video to make me feel poor again.
:D
Yep. Feeling poor in a speedy.
Timothy Ng Us Speedy owners are actually quite rich because there’s no other watch like a Speedy 😉
@navidski Thank you so much, dear friend.
Cartier Tanks are great watches and perfectly beautiful regardless of what Patek makes.
These stories are so soothing, sometimes I listen to them when I am in bed and ready for sleep.
Almost every day
The back of the Patek is incredible but I still prefer the Girard Perregaux overall. GP make some really beautiful watches.
Girard Perregaux used to make modules and (just like Jaeger LeCoultre), entire movements for Patek Philippe. And as you have mentioned, Patek Philippe (not that long ago), used ebauches and complete movements made by Lemania, not dissimilar from Onega Speedmaster cal.1863.. They took Lemania movement apart, scalloped few bits, polished the gears to death, so that no one else, can ever service the movement ... and stamped it with PP logo..
So as in everything? You need to compare apples with apples and automatic movement with automatic movement. No doubt, Girard Perregaux do make fine manual wind movements in bi-compass configuration as well. It is just that in your case, Watchfinder has none of them in stock. It could be, because owners of GP watches .... don't want to part with them. One would hope, that for Girard Perregaux (makers of 3 bridges), being part of French luxury group Kering, will give them funding, needed to expand their range and to improve quality.
Otherwise? Great review. Keep up the good work.
Hold my German beer.
- A. Lange.
Nice but not as nice.
The Datograph is basically cheating in any watch movement contest.
And why not throw the double and triple split just as an extra middle finger the Patek at less then the cost of their rattrapante?
Hold my sushi.
- Grand Seiko
The dirt on the Patek's chrono seconds hand is really distracting :( You can see it without being zoomed in too. :(
The GP has dirt on a hand as well. 5:12 look at the hour hand.
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
1:42? that is dirt?
That dirt make me think if i would be taking my watches to service...
Looked like somebody puked or shitted all over it. Swiss made is really starting to become a joke
Guys, this video is so well filmed. The shots, the light, the macro shots. You totally nailed it! And the narration just makes it perfect 👌🏻 Keep the class
Thiissss is a 40000pound patek philip and today i m going to show you all the quirks and features and then get it on the arm and give it a watchscore - love both channels
The PP would not have originally left the factory with those imperfections.
Indeed..used pieces serviced by a third party watchmaker such as WF are going to show evidence of such servicing..send it back to PP for service and it will still be virtually flawless, their servicing procedure is top notch as expected.
Not necessarily. New Pateks under macro has shown blemished hands . Many have left the factory that way and maybe attributable to individual hand finish slipping inspection.
Nothing is perfect...but in 30 years of experience I have never seen such obvious QC issues as shown here from the factory.
World's Worst Fishing not true, I had a new calatrava which had imperfections, patek services it and in doing so did more damage, I was shocked.
@@rey_s90 PP are known to cut corners more and more. I'd kick them out of the trinity and put an independent brand into it instead.
People complain as though they actually spent their money. I'm just blown away by the beauty of the craftsmanship.
It's a funny thing that the high-end watchmaking community sets up expectations of absolute *perfection*. Generally speaking, I'm a firm believer in the concept of "perfectly imperfect". Part of the beauty in life is that true perfection is unattainable. Tattoos, for example: even with prefect execution by the artist, tattoos are bound to fade over time, to distort as your skin ages. This will surely bother many people, and those people won't get tattoos; I find peace accepting that "prefect" neither achievable, nor necessary to achieve beauty or satisfaction.
I suppose luxury watchmakers aren't unique in aiming for utter perfection- Rolls Royce comes to mind. Pour enough time and money into something, and you'll get damn near close enough.
(procrastination-fueled rant over, back to studying for me!)
For once a disappointing review: this comparison makes no sense. The correct GP to compare the Patek with should have obviously been the caliber GP 3800-0001 fully integrated manually wound chrono with column-wheel and 40 mm case. The back is as beautiful as the Patek's and it also features the jumping minutes at the front... That was the matchup I was waiting & hoping for!
Agreed. Automatic is clearly a practical choice. Manual for beauty.
Nobody cares
Rezwan So what exactly are you doing here?
thesnackbandit It’s actually a fair comment. Nobody cares about what GP can create. Sad but true.
Likewise, a Patek Philippe 5070 will make a fairer comparison to this Girard Perregaux 1966 Chronograph.
If a banana with a tape can be 250 k why not Patek 😂
Anyway the back of the Patek is breathtaking
The banana with duckttape was only $120000. 😉
It's an easy way to launder money. 🤑
@@tonp2917 Worth every penny to laugh at just how retarded arty people can be
And the crazy thing about the Banana art duct tape is that the Banana has to be replaced every few days or it becomes a decomposing Banana.
Ugh... that PP seconds hand.... and that GP hours hand. for £40,000 and £10,000, respectively?! What the holy hell?!?!
Can someone explain to me what's wrong with them? look the same to me
@@denniszhu7957 Watch again and look at the finishing on them.
Dennis Zhu there’s some shit like 3/4 of the way down the chrono seconds hand on the PP
@@Dunkaroos248 Yep. they are both flawed. They both have stains.
Those watches aren't new. Maybe they've been tarnished during maintenance?
A second PP in as many Watchfinder videos that has a rough looking underside to the seconds hand when reflected in the hour hand (1:43)...this one also has a blemish on the top of the seconds hand too. Not acceptable on a watch at £10k, let alone £40k.
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
my eyeballs almost fell out.... FFS, this is outrageous!!!... im as far from watch snob as i can be, but if i was going to pay 40k and saw this i would be furious.... you are literally paying premium for these details and they missed it????,
02:10
Goodness! This is not acceptable by any means at any price! Was that an original PP second hand or an aftermarket one? You call that a Patek Philippe? Or is it a replica?
James Peters that blemish on top of the second hand is actually pretty visible
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Great video as usual. While I agree with the direct comparison of two chronographs, I think this particular choronograph under represents Girard's true ability to properly decorate it movements. I know that was not the purpose of the video but there is a striking difference between this chrono and Girard's higher end offerings.
Agree
I really prefer the GP's dial and its Arabic numerals over the PP... but that stained hour hand at 05:11??
looks like a reflection to me
@@gstung nopes... you can see it when the seconds hand glides over it that it isn't a reflection, sadly... But as some have pointed out, it's a used watch, so...
stain for sure on the GP and rust or stain on the patek at 1:42...
Seems like two spots on the PP?
There's a small scratch on the GP's crystal as well, plus various other bits of dirt in other places.
For a quarter less, the GP even gives you a date😂
i'd love it if you upgraded to 4k!
Yessss a new video always makes my day! Thanks for the videos, keep me coming!
I think that I prefer the uncluttered look of the second "cheaper"watch.
GP is a fantastic brand, just doesn't get recognition
The gp is a shitter
See that’s what differentiates Germans from the rest with the three quarter plate ❤️
>For the designers
As a designer, Patek's dial typography is just not up to the level and is the main reason i dislike the brand. Terrible whitespace management, weird font selection, low readability. That serif on the outside is awfully kerned, uneven. The enormous gap in "15" seems a result of automatic settings and lack of manual adjustments. Chronometer markings would be much more readable if the font was less vertically proportioned, now it's one giant mess of numbers. The "2" in the subdials has a closed loop on top because the ink merged at that size (to the naked eye that would look even worse). This is the area where Lange always wins and Patek is bad unfittingly for its otherwise strong attention to detail. GP is far more pleasing to look at in these regards.
Stasys Čhepulis yep I was also going to comment on the horrendous 15 kerning pair... the typography just looks so wrong and careless. Embarrassing at this high level.
The two fonts they used are just jarring and awkward.
Check out at 2:06 how bad the MA kerning pair is, as well as how distorted the letters are due to such thickly applied ink. The counterform on the A has almost completely filled in!
Stasys Čhepulis check out the huge unkerned space between L Y on most Rolex dials. Your eyes will hurt! 😝
i shall pick a JLC master control chronograph in stainless steel over any of these two! it's around 9000 dollars and has been through 1000 hours master control in house chronometry testing.
subhasish dey JLC king of movements.
@@domokun938 the watchmaker of watchmakers!
Becomes an absolute no contest once you look at the movements, PP is breathtaking!! (Might actually print an image of that movement for my wall... 🤷🏾♂️😍)
Take a look at ALS for movement finisishing. Another level
I like the GP better - love the blue hands. There are stains or marks on the hands of both watches. On the second hand of the PP - bubbling of some kind. There is a stain, like something dripped on it, on the hour hand of the GP.
For my taste, I prefer GP’s dial layout design.
The blemish on chronograph seconds hand on the PP is super disappointing
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
they sell second hand or used watches maybe it has been repaired
I like GP a lot, and in this specific case, I like it more than the PP --but I honestly couldn't see the issues with the PP's hand mentioned in some of the comments, although I saw one in the GP's hour hand at 5:11 (and blemishes at the H and the U at 6:06)
it really puts PP down really really low in my eyes now.... its ironic they talk about attention to detail and that BLEMISH is screaming at you every time they show seconds hand
ALS 1815 Chrono for the Win
Torque of the Devil Best watch ever. The Datograph is called the best modern chronograph by Philippe Dufour, for crying out loud.
why does the Chronograph Seconds Hand look so shoddy on the Patek?
GP has always been a personal favorite of mine, but I prefer their skeletonized movements.
It’s no secret that your presentations are always stellar. In this video the PP movement has me drooling again. A pricey work of art impossible to own.
Many high end brand nowadays using blue screws but no Patek.
If finish and prices, bovet h-moser, breguet and GP offer good deal
I still can’t believe how consistently amazing these videos are. Amazing in every regard!
Initially, the PP doesn't seem to be a good value....but under magnification, it is entirely difficult to find a flaw. very impressive
“If not the best chronograph...”: A. Lange & Sohne Datograph?
Please, please, please review a Bovet!!!!
The best chronograph movement is the Longines 13ZN!
"Each and every one of the 269 components is elaborately hand finished..." At 3:45 you can see the burs thrown up by the tooth cutters, as they travelled through from the underside to the top, when it was being made; especially on the right hand wheel. I'm not wanting to sound like I'm big name bashing (Patek make some beautiful watches), but it looks like resting on their laurels to not stone off the burs, or the dag on the end of the small seconds hand 2:41. I do enjoy your videos very much :)
Love those comparison videos. Helps to acknowledge and appreciate the details and get a better understanding of quality.
2:06 "the quality dosn't diminish even at the extremes". I think it does - SWISS MADE looks poorly printed! The ink is so thickly applied, the letterforms have distorted. This doesn't look sharp at all. And the typesetting is badly done, too. Big uneven space between the M and A in relation to the other letters.
It is made by hand. If you want a cheap mass produced product that all looks the same then go for it.
When looking with the naked eye that watch will look perfect not a zoomed in look.
I can sell all of my volumes of poetry; him talking about watches is all I need!
"You'd have to be blind not to see the difference in movements" @ 7:42
GP Dial is better, i hate cut off style from PP
The back case from PP is better.
Merry Christmas
I feel the GP is just a more handsome watch.
I have a GP, the dials are fantastic under the loupe, the leaf hands on the sub dials are glorious, enough bang for me....
I think there needs to be some kind of disclaimer that you are filming pre-owned, serviced watches.
Otherwise this is rather confusing: to speak about such high quality watchmaking when there are clearly visible flaws and blemishes. It just seems a bit jarring.
Just a thought!
Not planning to buy either of these two beautiful timepieces, but, in relative terms, it’s like having a Sinn and an IWC pilot watches on the table. The latter gets deserved higher brand recognition and commands a higher price, the former is a better deal for those who know.
Ive always love GP watches. They have so many unique styles and the movement is so smooth.
My holy grail Patek, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it
Both superb watches but I prefer the GP. The servicing costs when required can be eye watering as I have just found out !
The Patek is just a work of art not only the front but the back! It is masterfull on the reverse and the work that goes into the movement more than justifies the price!!
Really like the movement of the Patek. Even more than a Lange, the finishing is just so clean.
Patek luckily doesn't have as many colors as Lange from silver plate to yellowed bridges and ugly blue screws.
Patek and Vacheron are both masters of finishing movements.
Pateks are always handsome but rarely enchanting. I wish they had a little more flourish like Vacheron or F P Journe.
Patek's sense of size and proportion is flawless, though. Never saw a Patek that was too big or too thick or had overly long lugs.
Love your YT channel but I think it’s time to change out cheap Pentax for a Swiss made Alpa or maybe Swedish made Hasselblad.
(Not enough stressed the difference between automatic/manual winding, it seems)
The Patek makes a tiny yet odd stall when the seconds hand passes by 12, anybody know why?
Rooted Rotor. It's a common problem with lady size Pateks.
I think it's because of the fly back clutch of the chronograph
Ironically enough, I just bought a GP Sea-Hawk from the late 30s or early 40s, it’s extremely similar to a Patak Philippe Calatrava 96!! Literally down to the case shaped, dimensions, and Breguet numerals on the dial and sub dial at the six! The GP Seahawk aren’t the most rare, but this version definitely is one of them as it’s almost classier than the more militaristic designed ones.
Great review
My Alpha 'speedmaster' column wheel chrono movement was a big, pleasant surprise when viewed right out of the box. Now I'm even more impressed with it. $170. Delivered.
Brand caveat, my Alpha 'explorer' was a waste of money- Erratic accuracy, stuttering second hand, hacks but won't restart without shaking and tapping. Alpha (Hong Kong) says it's running fine as far as they are concerned.
Great review again I would like to see a buvet grand complication please thanks tony
Omega and Bulova Moonwatches. I think you may have done this?
Yet another excellent and soothing video Watchfinder. I must say the Patek is by far the winner. And that dial is far from plain.
Could you please review a Patek Phillpe 5271p? To me, it remains the most beautiful piece of art ever made.
Simply gorgeous time pieces
So comparing what I assume to be a new Patek at 40 g's to a used GP at 10 g's means what? If you can afford a New PP crono these comparisons are useless, but entertaining. Just for thought, I got a Bambino with a brilliant dial that keeps marvelous time.
@ 2:10 Pause and look at the second hand
I found the space taken up by the tachymetre on the GP to be slightly excessive, throwing the appearance of the watch off quite considerably.
i owned a GP 1945 in rose gold, fantastic watch. For the price i will go fo GP, PP is good but not worth 4x GP, if it is 2x the GP, i would go for the PP :))
Patek is worth 4x more, but that does not stop the GP from being a very nice watch. Especially the rose gold one with the ruthenium dial. There's also a very nice platinum cased one with a blue dial which imo rivals the Patek 5070P in the looks dep.
6:54 defect on the bezel
I don't understand how the dials on the PP are 'asymmetrical'. They are the same size and positioned symmetrically, i.e. the same laterally and horizontally relative to the center of the dial.
I prefer the Montblanc Pulsograph (that Minerva calibre is gorgeous) to this version of the 5170 (J?). The 5170G, however, is perfect. Would love to see you compare a 5170J with the Vacheron Constantin Cornes de Vache 1955
I would get (my grale) - the Lange 1815 up/down for (a bit more than) half the price of the PP. Or for almost the same price as the GP, VC fiftysix, regardless of the hate on the movement. Or Kudoke 2. Love the high quality and content of this channel. The second best channel out there (2nd to Adrian @Bark and Jack).
Can we just appreciate the guy's enjoyable relaxing narration .
Still prefer my seagull 63
I love mine!
I just bought one on 11/11 special, but will have to go to China to pick it up.
Still prefer my trusty 1981 Vostok Amfibia, and those capitalist brands and their capitalist ways of watchmaking fill my heart with anger and disgust.
Always fascinating. I am interested in Junghans watches. Have you ever reviewed one of their models?
I have a breitling Super Avenger Chrono. Since December 1st when I reset the date I have gained 26 seconds of time in 20 days. I honestly dont know if that PP can say the same. My watch is also 300M waterproof. I know for a fact the PP isnt.
It might not have the name and the pedigree. But for functionality I think my Breitling destroys the PP.
Alright then- My Casio AW168 gains 1 second per 3 months. I use it to see if my atomic synched clock has synched after nights that it misses.
Love watching your channel, details are superb
Am I the only one that sees an imperfection on the center seconds hand of the Patel?
Hi there all the way from Singapore. I really love your Videos!
Could you do a video about the Laureto Flying Tourbillion.
I am looking forward :)
ALS 1815 chronograph laughing in the background
SevenW25 V for this kind of money, I’d be smiling looking at an ALS
Except if you actually could look past the hype you’d realize that the Patek is actually finished better overall.......as a mechanical/manufacturing engineer that studies finishing implication and having studied both the 5170 and the 1815. If you’re willing to look beyond the hype you have fallen into, I can explain.
Max Power I hold a PhD in micro-mechanical engineering from L’Ecole D’Horologie Genevè and I have personally acted as a quality control consultant for many top watch designers over my 35 year career. And I can say, without reservation, that ALS is much superior to Patek Philippe.
@@burritomaker69 the Patek is still incredible, but it does undercut the majority of equally complicated Pateks and does with arguably better aesthetics. Have to give it to PP on proportions though, much slimmer than any ALS
@@davidofglenbrook4487 Now that's music to my German ears :-)
A. Lange & Söhne would be my first choice...but if i had to pick between these two, it would be the PP. If I'm going to spend a boatload of money on a timepiece, I want it to be a stunner - both in looks and engineering.
The patek just looks right. Their proportions are almost always spot on.
What about a look at various Flieger watches, like from Fortis, Stowa, Laco and IWC?
Uysisse Jardin, we have one from the 70s what can you tell us about the brand?
A Lange > PP
Something is wrong with the second hand on the patek. Even at low mag about 2/3s up the hand is some sort of dirt.
It's a good day when watchfinder releases a new video.
I own both. It would be a more fair comparison if you chose equally priced GP then you'll see a true comparison.. Frankly my next watch is a GP three bridges.
can't take my eyes of the second hand.
I would love to see a video dedicated to POINTtec brands, Junkers, Zeppelin and Iron Annie if I am not mistaken.
The date window could have been avoided and the dial looks a lot busier in the Gerard perregua
"An exercise in delusion" 👍🏼👍🏼
Automatic vs manual ?
Take the manual GP, you will be surprised !
Very interesting pieces at different price points for comparison, especially because try to achieve the same complications. If I am spending 5 figures for a mechanical...I want to see the internals no matter what.
That Patek is super ridiculous, in a great way!
Two companies are genuinely older - VC and Breguet. Blancpain claims it is the oldest watchmaker around but to me, this is BS because like other brands of similar posture, they claim the history that isnt really connected to the company that's around today. Blancpain, like Arnold and Son was ressurected from the dead and represents a vampire company if you know what I mean (returning to life after death kind of situation). So please stop claiming the history that doesnt belong to you and be honest about the lineage. I think this will go a long way in the watch community!
When people buy an PP they not only buy a watch but become part of a brand that has a very recognizable line of watches. Only lately new models seem to be more modern. In the case of Girard Perregaux it is hard to be able to see where the company tries to go. I do respect the craftmanship but some of the divers or chronographs are a bit extreme and may not be for everybody.
can you compare the Breitling Duograph to the Patek Split second chronograph
I haven't seen you review or compare a Jacobs & Co. Watch.
Lovely watches. One would be happy to own either of them. I’d pick the Patek if I can afford it.
Please review the Vacheron Constantin Phidias Chronograph, its a great watch, especially in gold