Can You Tell The Difference Between a Cheap and Expensive Chronograph? | Watchfinder & Co.
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- The hand wound chronograph is perhaps the foundation of a high-end watch company’s ability to demonstrate its prowess, a complex, intricate assembly unencumbered by a rotor weight hiding the mechanical wizardry going on inside. There’s no better palette upon which to exhibit the art of fine watchmaking-but can you tell the difference between one that’s more affordable and one that’s very expensive?
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You really need to change the term cheap to something like, “more affordable” or “not that expensive”, it’s ridiculous to call an Omega “cheap”.
in his video he said affordable. he wrote cheap as a clickbait titel
@@iaido01 I wish I lived in a world where $6,000 was cheap or more affordable haha.
@@josephburton3232 haha it is affordable luxury. i mean i make good money, but it is still a lot of money for a watch and it always will be.
Maybe you need to change your job
"Cheap" Speedmaster haha..
Well. It certainly is one of the cheapest watches on the channel so...
My sentiments exactly!
We are talking about a watch as expensive as a second hand car and that costs probably the same to service. It’s pretty offensive to call a high luxury masterpiece with tons of history a cheap watch. It’s as high as most wealthy people would go for a watch. 10k+ is for people with really, really a lot of spare money or just for idiots who buy things they can’t afford
+1
triggered me
Who else spent the first three minutes wondering what the "cheap" chronograph was going to turn out to be?
Guilty!
well 5k relative to 40k is cheap and this channel does focus on higher end pieces in general so... :/
LOL same here....although I saw it coming! 😁
LOL, I was thinking "they'll be bringing in a Movement watch any second now"...nope
Same here, and then I realized what channel I was on.
For some strange reason I thought there was going to be a cheap watch in there somewhere.
Jake Roth alright baller, calm down
Jake Roth
You're an exellent example of how money can't buy class.
What like a Sea-gull 1963
The 1/4 mm thinner did it for me. I’m ordering 2 right now!!
TDY Ranger on it’s own, it seems like nothing, but combined with the 15 hours of extra power reserve it actually is quite an accomplishment
Pure class! Chow!
I'm waiting for a full mm and the resulting additional 60 hour power reserve.
I'm waiting for something that's multiple orders of magnitude more accurate, never has to be wound, and is virtually indestructible. Oh, wait, I already have one. It's a $10 Casio in injection-molded plastic with rubber strap.
@@jphili 😂
Can we take a moment to admire the amount of effort Watchfinder puts into the production of his videos? All the close-up views of the watches are simply beautiful. This is the best watch channel I have ever come across. Glad this was in my recommended.
I agree about the production values and the script they use. My one gripe is the "clickbait" nature of the video titles -- this one is a perfect example -- where is the "cheap" chronograph?
Of all the inconveniences in life, having to hand wind a Speedmaster every other day is at the top of the list of "best things that one could be inconvenienced by..."
Pareto's law or more familiarly, the "80/20" rule applies everywhere. Omega is a fine example of watchmaking, the Breguet more so and PP the ultimate. Each representing an exponential increase in work and value. I would place them at 80, 95 and 100 percent respectively. That last 5 percent costs more than 10 times the first 80 and 4 times the first 95. Their value lies in one's ability to appreciate the level of refinement and workmanship. Your videos and explanations help to educate me, and I'm sure others, to develop that appreciation. Unfortunately, my bank account hasn't appreciated in kind!
Wonderfully put.
Well cheap is relative term. Here the Speedmaster retails at 5k minimum, I wouldn’t call that cheap.
Pasquale im pretty sure the term cheap is used based on the relatice prices of luxury watches. Surely 5k isnt cheap but for a luxury watch? thats pretty cheap considering most would cost upwards that price
Omar Andre I know it’s relatively cheap. No disrespect mate 👍🏻
Pasquale you’re as wrong as you are right. £5000 is, in isolation, a lot of money. But if you factor in the design, execution, testing, quality control, the years of training each member of staff goes through and the technical ability required to assemble such an intricate mechanism it’s not very much at all. It’s not what a watch is or what a watch does that sets mechanical watches apart, but what it says about those who put it together.
And others would...that's why it's relative, especially in the realm of luxury watches. See how that works?
If you don’t consider $5000 cheap for a watch, than your not earning enough
Watching your videos is a sort of therapy for me. Like the Patek, these videos are polished and well finished.
Hamza Khawaja .hgbk
Exactly, watching these watch videos is so calming. Only watching Bob Ross paint is more relaxing.
I really really thought the Speedmaster was the expensive one!
Cheap? The cost of the Omega would be more than many could aspire to for one watch. Maybe for a collection? Yes! The rest are for those who do not live in this world.
no other horological channels even comes close to production quality.
zac talks a lot Of course... because watchfinder channel is funded by Richemont group.
Or snobbery
That's because these watch finder and co sells high end used watches and they. Know their product.
I feel like such a peasant watching this while wearing a Speedmaster.
"Cheap" makes most people think up to $500, not $5000. I know watchmaking is by definition expensive, but calling an Omega cheap makes me rethink going into watches....
I completely agree
For a mechanical movement it's not that expensive. It would be like saying " cheap car that has a V12". It's cheap considering the internals it has, i don't say i'll buy one, even if i make a good use of my money, but i just say it's the value of big brands and high quality watches.
You can get a v good condition seamaster moon watch for £2500. That’s not bad really for what it is
Don’t be a pussy
@@The_Greg_5000 the seagull 1963 with venus 175 movement is worth between 200 and 300 depending on the version. I have the 42mm with opened caseback, the movement is really gorgeous for the price.
*I loved that you showed instantaneous minute change in chronograph for the Patek which wasn't there for Omega & Breguet*😊👏
“Before you reach for your pitchforks” 😂. I love this phrase.
A hand wound chronograph equals high end watch making, well done seagull
Seagulls are a pretty good deal though, all things considered
Seagull bought old Swiss machinery and produces a Venus 175 calibre, originally used in some Breitlings and others before.
I have a seagull chronograph and a speedmaster. Love them both!
@@domokun938 I just bought the panda dial seagull 1963. Cant wait for it to arrive!
Timothy Ng me too!
I own exactly the Speedy Moonwatch with Caliber 1863. Everytime I look at the watch from both sides, it reminds me how wonderful this piece of art really is. Even If you consider the history and legend behind the Speedy, it definitely has much value for the amount of money.
I totally agree, and the value is insane for such a cheap watch.
10:28 Still waiting for that cheap watch to show up, any second now!
That Breguet is absolutely stunning.
It’s good to know that in our throwaway culture there are still craftsman that take such obsessive pride in their work. Where else do we get to see this level of craftsmanship in the world today? I may not be able to afford one but through these wonderful Watchfinder & Co videos I can certainly appreciate them.
Exercise in insanity, love it. Great video as usual once again I learned more than I knew before I watched it.
This sapphire back view is just stunning. It wouldn't be that impressive with a rotor in a view.
The speedy is cheap and here I am with my skx tho Lol
I own a Speedy and also an SKX; it's an awesome watch mate! (Furthermore one can't swim with a Speedy! ☺)
My SKX steals wrist time from my Seamaster.
A return to form vid wise. There will be loads of comments saying the Speedy isn't cheap. It isn't as a mechanical watch but it is for what you get especially when considering movement sharing & finishing. It's an explanation as to price differentiation (market positioning aside) & as ever beautifully illustrated 👍🏻
The videography on these videos is simply amazing! I have loved this channel since I saw the first video!
For some reason the movement parts of the Speedmaster do look cleaner and less damaged than those of the Breguet movement.
And here I am fiddling around with my Seagull 1963 thinking I paid a pretty penny for that 🤣
This channel, the videos, the scripts and the general style could make fall in love of horology everybody!
I learn something in every single video!
Thank you so much!
I am guessing the only reason why they didn’t feature Lange in this video is because it never used a Lemania manual chrono?🤔 In my view, when it comes to finishing nobody does it better than Lange!
No one.
true. when it comes to finishing Lange is unchallengeable...
Yes, Lange has only used their own inhouse chronograph. Patek, VC was then "forced" to produce their own to catch up, but the germans has since made the double--and triplesplit chronograph leaving everybody else in the dust.
A P then you don’t know much about finishing or watches then....
Max Power did you even read what I wrote you moron? If you don’t agree, then tell us who does movement finishing better than Lange.
Having my Saphire speedy since 2012 and enjoying the hell out of it. Not have a feeling missing anything, it’s just the perfect Chrono 😊
Great video as usual and loving your macros. Keep up the good work 👍🏻🙏🏻
Does it have a column wheel tho
Your tutorials are perfect, full of strong insights overlaid with specifications that boggle the mind. I enjoy all of them Thank you
Again you nailed it! A great watches demonstration with an amazing voice narration...
We need more videos 🥰
Your presentation is as polished as the Patek Philippe. Thank you for all of the effort you go to in preparation. It is appreciate greatly.
I am so done with everyone saying the omega isn't cheap. Of course there is no timex quartz chrono featured. Who would want to watch close ups of that?
Koen Reith why not?
Well I don't know about you but I'm here to see the beauty of extremely well designed, built and finished watches as well as learning about their heritage. A timex is about cutting as many corners as possible it just won't stand up to the scrutany of a macro lens.
@@koenreith shut the fuck up
Excellent video as usual 👌
I now want a manual wind speedmaster 😋
The 5170 is by far my favorite patek. It looks so understated, yet refined and it has the most beautiful hands on any watch in my opinion.
4:01 "It's not the front we are interested in, it's the back" this is the quote for 2019.Cheers
The ultimate difference occurs when you bring your watch in for a service!
Fantastic content & Great work indeed!
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Me: Start my watch's Chronograph until i watch it.
Fabulous video as usual!!
Just wished you’d included the Breitling in your lineup, they are an amazing example of watchmaking in the chrono world, just my opinion
Your vids are of a quality that is an order of magnitude above the rest. Please keep them coming.
Yes, very nice watches, different price points. I’m fortunate to own the Speedmaster. With the naked eye, I still find myself looking at the face and appreciating how meticulously done the design is. While watching videos showing the same at macro view I appreciate it even more. The moon watch is the most well done dial for a chronograph no matter how deep your pockets are. Historical too.
Same here. Sometimes when I check the time I find myself admiring my timepiece.
That Breguet looks amazing.
This is a fascinating video! Thanks for the great history and description of what goes in to making these fine pieces.👍
Well done and thank you for this accurate and precise incite into this chronograph movement.
My God I’ve had the Daytona in both stainless and now have one in ceramic but I must admit that the Speedmaster is unmistakably beautiful and I love every bit of it. It will be my next acquisition I promise you that and others like the El Primero, although appealing, doesn’t come close.
Hugo Gonzalez The ElPrinero is a killer! It was actually, not long ago, equipping the Daytonas
RGA1 I know my non ceramic Daytona was a before 2000 model that had a Zenith “Rolex tweaked” movement..I’ve never been particularly fond of a date window on a chronograph, that Rolex removed from the Zenith movement, I believe they should not have one it makes the watch much too messy.
The pictures are amazing, thanks for this awesome video !!
Can YOU tell the difference between the words “cheap” and “more affordable”?
Well researched and perfectly presented. I would have liked to see the Parmigiani Kalpagraph featured as this brand uses internal calibres made by Vaucher, a manufacture they partially own
Great content. A pleasure to watch. Thank you!
Maybe not the best title, but the shot with the moving focus on the Patek movement is outstanding!
Any word on when Omega is to complete it's 321 movement remake and Market it?
stephen kennedy Maybe for the 50th anniversary of the moon landing? Should be pretty soon if so.
Great video! I would love to see a comparison between different watches with moonphases.
Beautiful description,so simple yet extremely complex,well done I now know more🙏👍
Brilliant presentation as always......
You sir have practicality sold me on the sapphire sandwich moonwatch whilst simultaneously s*%ting on it comparing it to the Breguet and Patek.... it takes great salesmen skills and product knowledge to pull it off in a video no less.... And the production quality you put out is amazing.
There is another one there. Price wise between the speedy and the Breguet and probably the best one for the money. the Zenith El Primero
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Is it manual?
It isnt manual is it?
But that's an automatic flyback chronograph, albeit an excellent watch, this video is about manual wind chronographs
@Panayiotis: if you didn't notice, the whole point of the video was comparing the "same" movement done at different price points. the El Primero doesn't fit (plus it's traditionally automatic). @others: there are manual versions of the El Primero (though they're nowhere near as pretty as even the 1863 here, imo. the auto is one of the prettier auto chrono movements around, but the manual is just okay)
With the Swiss it’s all relative. I recently had a much cheaper manual wind Chrono. A Sturmanskie. There is also the Venus chronos.
Wonderful presentation!!! Thanks👍
Should a watch like this be stored on a watch winder box, or is it ok for it to stop and restart when you use it again?
I was so waiting for a Seiko mecha-quartz to be the cheap option...
Man I loved my Speedy, I’ll buy another one someday!
Fascinating story. Wonder where else would I have heard it from, if not here!
I had sort of hoped we'd see one from A. Lange & Sohne considering they pretty much forced Patek Phillipe to go to the drawing board when the Datograph came out and I'm not sure they've managed to match much less exceed the finish level ALS puts on their movements.
Those macro shots are stunning.
I love my Seiko 6139-7002 (original owner from when I was a teenager) and 6032. Not manually wound, but very sporty.
i have a speedmaster i was wondering how does they take so good shot of the back
i love how they said that Patek went to painstaking lengths to ensure a snap occurs instead of a drawn out movement, yet if you watch the minute hand tick over it actually changes 0.2 of a second early. not sure that 0.5-0.9 of a second improvement justifies the 20x multiple...
The Omega & Patek do have the same basic design. The Omega has 19 Jewels v/ the Patek 33 Jewels. The hand finishing of every part in a Patek has edgebreaks that are from: 0.0005 to 0.001 inches. FULL DISCLOSURE: I own 2 Patek dress watches. I would still consider adding this Omega to my collection.
Please give me some info about the 1960-70is Swiss Sabina 17 jewels reminderdate alarm thanks in advance
You should have chosen the JLC Master Chronograph for the middle priced watch.
Dan Manoliu no
If you leave the second hand ticking on a chronograph, will it unwound itself faster than if the second hand is not moving?
Because I can't find a satisfying review on the Tissot Le Locle Valjoux Chronographe, I'd like to see it reviewed 🙂 otherwise, excellent videos ! Keep it up 🤙🏻
I like the Omega Speedmaster with the display case back
Can anyone please tell me what is that thing on the right hand side of the screen between “Patek” and “Philippe” at 7:51?
Only on watchfinder you find Omega being called cheap
Your information is gold, thank you.
Can you please compare Omega Deville Tresor hand wound and the similar VC three handed Patrimony Self winding.
I’m saving for a Zenith El Primero Annual Calendar Captain Windsor, with the fume dial. I think the applied Arabic numerals, and integrated chronograph would look stunning on one of your close up videos. I’d also love the see the Datograph, and your Saxonia from ALS (when it arrives).
A one watch man... I envy your restraint. But what a watch!!!
Amazing! Thanks again!
excellent work as always.
I wasn’t prepared for all that, I think I need a lie down.
Sapphire speedy next on my list, but will hold out for the cal. 321 it looks like they may release next year. 😄
“Cheap”, “entry level”, and “Speedmaster” do not belong anywhere near each other.
8:30 blemish on the second I at the top!? ... £40k? I want perfection.
Better off getting a $10 quartz cheapo. Far and away more accurate.
@@jphili Its not about pure accuracy necessarily, a modern smart phone tells the time more precisely than many high end watches, its about craftsmanship.
I love cars and your reference to them in your videos hits the mark perfectly. 👍🇦🇺
What is the cheapest open-back or open-front swiss watch? Any opinion?
The production of this video is exquisite, beautifully presented as always. The macro shots are amazing, what lens - Hasselblad, Leica, ...? The house of optics are as big a star as the house of horology here.
Old man once said we all living in a lucky world now a days. We could buy a good watch at any price that. Suits your need. & taste.
is this a re-upload? I'm pretty sure I have watched a video with the same title here
Another excellent video and educational.
I love this channel so much!
.....and along comes Watchfinder to remind us that we've all made it through mid-week and life can continue on.....
Wedsday is wrist watch porn Day.
And yet none of these fine watches can even touch the accuracy of a quartz watch. Atomic solar for the practical folks. Great video of true fine watches. Thumbs up!
Always loved the omega speed master
Keep switching between 5:15 and 5:20 and compare the two movements. Great video
Always enjoy
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