Ive been rewatching Doctor Who. I am amazed at Matt Smith's range. Hes my favorite Doctor and favorite Phillip! Claire (and the Queen) remind me of my grandmother. They really captured that period well.
Phillip wanted to help Charles develop masculine characteristics. He was well aware of weakness in his son's personality. Anne has much more grit, which Phillip admired.
The key is to send your kids to a school that best fits their disposition & will bring out their strengths….& yes, the child should have a say in this! Philip was misguided in the way he handled this issue though, at the moment, I won’t go into all of the psychological reasons/motivations for his decisions (saving that for another time).
Even that hell of a school couldn’t straighten him up and build him a better character. Prince Philip trued his best to help what he foresaw to be a disaster if a man
I don’t see Philip helping if he forced Charles to go to a school where he was severely bullied. Sounds like Philip was rather a sadist that he didn’t care about his son’s well being.
What could Philip have done, if Elizabeth had indeed pulled Charles out of Gordonstoun? Divorcing her would have backfired on him, because he was in fact, almost penniless when he married her. If he was openly unfaithful to her, public sympathy would have been with the queen. In fact, he could have done nothing, except sulked about it, so it surprises me that Liz did not support her son as strongly as she should have.
He could have found a good looking rich heiress who actually cared about putting their relationship first. He could have had an amazing career in the Navy instead of being bored out of his mind following that boring, stuffy woman around. If you listen to his interviews where he's actually allowed to speak, he was scary smart. As soon as he was too old to rule that bunch, look what happened. The whole monarchy is a total mess right now and Charles keeps getting caught taking suitcases full of money from people. Harry runs around crying all the time, wanting to put anyone who disagrees with him in jail, and Camilla is apparently on a power high and is running everything. Anne is the only one that took after her father.
@@irisjanemay1903 Not if he came out of a divorce. Public sympathy would have been with the Queen in any case. Marrying a rich heiress would make him look like a gold digger. He might have gone back to the Navy, but after divorcing the crown, he could not hope to rise as high. In fact, all that would be open to him would be the "job" of a socialite. As for being the only one who could "rule that bunch", had been a more understanding father, there would have been no need for that either.
@@irisjanemay1903he could have had all those things "IF" he had never gotten married to the freaking Queen. He wouldn't get to do any of those things *after* the divorce, he would be a ruined man, he would be reduced to an outcast so OP is 100% correct in their assesment. Also the Queen is neither boring nor stuffy, do you expect her to be like Charles, an irresponsible, spoiled, infantile, rotten man who cared about nothing other than having "funsies" his entire life? Be fr 😂
Prince Philip was ear marked to be a future Admiral of the Fleet in the Royal Navy. It is 100% understandable that he would be really upset about loosing it as he work so hard for it and it was not given to him like the titles he was born with; which he had to give up to become an English Duke married to the Queen. Then his own wife had to make him a Prince of Great Britain.
@@koenkeep he has the titles alone but not a country to rule . If you know his history u can understand easily . Queen was tolerant , forgiving and also loved her phillips a lot .that's why their marriage didn't break .
Think they did the Queen too much kindness in this scene. The real Queen didn’t seem to care her own son was bullied at school. When the Queen mother asked her to take Charles out of Gordonstoun she refused and reportedly said he needs toughening up.
I did not like the way Philip was portrayed in the first two series. He came across as an arrogant, mean spirited bully. The portrayals of the older Philip in the later series were much more attractive and supportive.
Agreed. He came across as so needlessly combative and whiny. I liked it when he had moments of being a firebrand who’d keep the others in line ‘Shut up! Face the camera. Take the bloody picture!’ (Liz puts her hand on him in appreciation). I liked him like that. And he had a lot more moments like that as they got older. They did have that massive row in Australia, though.
Probably that how he was at first when she met him. Then he ended changing his way later and what are you taking about Matt Smith is attractive here. Honestly I find him attractive than the one who replaced him. 😂
While keeping in mind that this is all fiction, dont forget that neither Philip nor Elizabeth had expected to be in this position as soon as they were. Philip was dealing with the premature end of his own career while dealing with a court that did not treat him the way one would expect a royal consort to be treated. A lot of that had to do with Churchill, Queen Mary, the queen mother, and Tommy Lascelles. It took some time for everything to come together to make Philip into the beloved member of the family he would eventually become. Was he ever this cruel to Charles and Elizabeth? Probably not. Fictionally here, he’s the antagonist in an effort to create the drama the television show needs.
I could be wrong, but I think Elizabeth may have been trapped by her own kindness. She was smart to see Charles's future. He does have sometimes social anxiety and intimacy problems (not just with Diana). Uncle Dickie means well to help Charles, he does not want to interfere. Prince Philip may have been secretly jealous of Charles being so cozy at Buckingham Palace and his own childhood was full of turmoil and chaos. I often wondered if Philip wanted to break out of Buckingham Palace and return to his Naval career instead of his unfulfillment with cutting ribbons and maybe this was his reason to threaten divorce. I think Philip wanted to toughen the sensitive Charles up, but this is always the wrong way of helping a sensitive child. I used to work for an elementary school and so I have seen these situations before. You cannot 'discipline' or 'toughen' a sensitive child - you only compound their pains and embarrassments. I am not an expert but again, I've been aware of how bullies are for a while now. What was it for the queen to contact the headmaster?! She was a concerned mother for goodness' sake! Whether it is a local school down the street or Gordonstoun parents have EVERY RIGHT to see that their child is not harmed or injured emotionally or physically!
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jcI agree with everything you say here - completely wrong approach to sensitive children - but what do you mean by "Elizabeth was trapped by her own kindness" when you seem to think she was right?
@@monmothma3358 I think the queen was trapped in the middle of wanting her child removed from such a horrible school and on the other side the queen knew she could not have a divorce! She really was kind to think about both her husband and Charles. She had a sense of kindness for both of them thus she may have had a feeling of being stuck or even trapped in this painful situation. I hope I explained it 😃. In the long run all three were hurt. Philip never got the rough, tough Charles that he wanted, Charles himself never matured and the queen never made her feelings known to the headmaster to nip this bullying in the bud! Till this day Gordonstoun is under investigation for charges of bullying and abuse. Sad and very shameful. I think in modern times this awful stuff should stop for these students.
How could Philip threaten to leave Elizabeth if she withdrew Charles from Gordounston? Legally, they could not divorce since she was the monarch and head of the Church of England.
Queen : bullied children are scared for life ....such a caring mother she's ❤❤❤ Phillip : dont forget to honour yout word and keep your husband . such a narcissistic, male ego, toxic , narrow minded typical behaviour. this phillip is 😢😢😢worst father .he was jealous of charles the future king ... phillip eventhough born as a prince now a prince consort .
@@genxx2724 Gordonstoun was a new public school. Prince Phillp & Dr Kurt Hahn fled Germany together. Dr Kurt Hahn was the 1st headmaster who had new thinking regarding education hence why we have the Duke of Edinburg'hs Award today. Dr Kurt Hahn was born in 1886 in Berlin to Jewish parents. By having the heir to the throne go their meant other parents wanted to send their children there. Gordonstoun School is a co- educational thriving public school now. Prince Charles spent 5 years at Gordonstoun. Prince Charles also went to school at Geelong Grammar's Timbertop campus in the 70s in Australia which he really enjoyed.
Notice Charles didn't send his children to Gordonstoun.
Despite the fact he says it was a great school and denies hating it
It was something he insisted on. But Princess Diana won the argument to send the boys to Eton as both her Father and Brother went there.
@@Myne1001he hated it and was bullied unmercifully.
@@lornapalmer6426 I know but publicly in the decades since he's said it's great
Ive been rewatching Doctor Who. I am amazed at Matt Smith's range. Hes my favorite Doctor and favorite Phillip! Claire (and the Queen) remind me of my grandmother. They really captured that period well.
Matt is my favorite Doctor - no question
I don't like his portrayal of Phillip.
It seems he finally got fed up of her pulling rank to win every argument and going back on all their decisions.
Such a joy when marriage becomes a chess match.
Phillip wanted to help Charles develop masculine characteristics. He was well aware of weakness in his son's personality. Anne has much more grit, which Phillip admired.
Well it didn’t work did it? Charles just grew up damaged which completely backfired on Philip! 🤦🙄
@@daniellefrancis1476 On the contrary: due to the change that the Queen wanted, he ended up having the characteristics the OP is talking about…
You don't develop "masculine" characteristics, if that even exists, through abuse. You develop trauma and possibly abusive tendencies yourself.
@@Xchax3 Not really. That's not how personalities work and abuse doesn't help anyone.
The key is to send your kids to a school that best fits their disposition & will bring out their strengths….& yes, the child should have a say in this! Philip was misguided in the way he handled this issue though, at the moment, I won’t go into all of the psychological reasons/motivations for his decisions (saving that for another time).
Love these Game of Thrones vibes in the Crowns first two seasons.
It's the truest version of Game of Thrones.
Keep it coming with the crown videos. Please
Even that hell of a school couldn’t straighten him up and build him a better character. Prince Philip trued his best to help what he foresaw to be a disaster if a man
I don’t see Philip helping if he forced Charles to go to a school where he was severely bullied. Sounds like Philip was rather a sadist that he didn’t care about his son’s well being.
What could Philip have done, if Elizabeth had indeed pulled Charles out of Gordonstoun? Divorcing her would have backfired on him, because he was in fact, almost penniless when he married her. If he was openly unfaithful to her, public sympathy would have been with the queen. In fact, he could have done nothing, except sulked about it, so it surprises me that Liz did not support her son as strongly as she should have.
So we're gonna act like this man wasn't well established in the navy?
He could have found a good looking rich heiress who actually cared about putting their relationship first. He could have had an amazing career in the Navy instead of being bored out of his mind following that boring, stuffy woman around. If you listen to his interviews where he's actually allowed to speak, he was scary smart. As soon as he was too old to rule that bunch, look what happened. The whole monarchy is a total mess right now and Charles keeps getting caught taking suitcases full of money from people. Harry runs around crying all the time, wanting to put anyone who disagrees with him in jail, and Camilla is apparently on a power high and is running everything. Anne is the only one that took after her father.
@@irisjanemay1903 Not if he came out of a divorce. Public sympathy would have been with the Queen in any case. Marrying a rich heiress would make him look like a gold digger. He might have gone back to the Navy, but after divorcing the crown, he could not hope to rise as high. In fact, all that would be open to him would be the "job" of a socialite. As for being the only one who could "rule that bunch", had been a more understanding father, there would have been no need for that either.
@@irisjanemay1903he could have had all those things "IF" he had never gotten married to the freaking Queen. He wouldn't get to do any of those things *after* the divorce, he would be a ruined man, he would be reduced to an outcast so OP is 100% correct in their assesment. Also the Queen is neither boring nor stuffy, do you expect her to be like Charles, an irresponsible, spoiled, infantile, rotten man who cared about nothing other than having "funsies" his entire life? Be fr 😂
You can lose your spouse and still be married to him.
Philip seems to have forgotten he would be less than nothing if he left her. (Maybe a Commander in the Navy).
At that point in his life, as a young man, he'd probably prefer that.
The Queen Mother lived to 101 years. So maybe Philip denied her 5 years of life.
@@Yowaiiiiiii the point might have been contained to being we do not know what effect Prince Philip had on Her Majesty’s longevity.
@@Yowaiiiiiii: no pyramid for her, I’m afraid, and her sarcophagus would need gold, lots and lots of gold. 😂😂😂
Prince Philip was ear marked to be a future Admiral of the Fleet in the Royal Navy. It is 100% understandable that he would be really upset about loosing it as he work so hard for it and it was not given to him like the titles he was born with; which he had to give up to become an English Duke married to the Queen. Then his own wife had to make him a Prince of Great Britain.
Philip was not a good father
“Your Majesty, why aren’t you dressed for dinner? If I may ask?”
Daddy wanted the bullies to prey the gay out of his sensitive son. He got his wish.
Always a great idea to threaten a queen.
If she dares to divorce him he will return back to a normal navy officer. Queen was a loving wife that's why he escaped
@@kaviyaprabharan1832 He was always a prince of Denmark and Greece, not a normal navy officer.
@@koenkeep he has the titles alone but not a country to rule . If you know his history u can understand easily . Queen was tolerant , forgiving and also loved her phillips a lot .that's why their marriage didn't break .
You don't play chess much, do you.
@@laetiziacoronet243 You don't get sarcasm much, do you
*spoken like a True Targaryen.* 🔥🏫👑
damaging your children, scaring them for life and passing your insecurities and weakness on to them definitely sounds very targaryen...
Think they did the Queen too much kindness in this scene. The real Queen didn’t seem to care her own son was bullied at school. When the Queen mother asked her to take Charles out of Gordonstoun she refused and reportedly said he needs toughening up.
I did not like the way Philip was portrayed in the first two series. He came across as an arrogant, mean spirited bully. The portrayals of the older Philip in the later series were much more attractive and supportive.
Agreed. He came across as so needlessly combative and whiny.
I liked it when he had moments of being a firebrand who’d keep the others in line ‘Shut up! Face the camera. Take the bloody picture!’ (Liz puts her hand on him in appreciation). I liked him like that. And he had a lot more moments like that as they got older.
They did have that massive row in Australia, though.
That’s call growing up, aging, maturing.
Probably that how he was at first when she met him. Then he ended changing his way later and what are you taking about Matt Smith is attractive here. Honestly I find him attractive than the one who replaced him. 😂
He was an arrogant bully and disliked.
While keeping in mind that this is all fiction, dont forget that neither Philip nor Elizabeth had expected to be in this position as soon as they were. Philip was dealing with the premature end of his own career while dealing with a court that did not treat him the way one would expect a royal consort to be treated. A lot of that had to do with Churchill, Queen Mary, the queen mother, and Tommy Lascelles. It took some time for everything to come together to make Philip into the beloved member of the family he would eventually become. Was he ever this cruel to Charles and Elizabeth? Probably not. Fictionally here, he’s the antagonist in an effort to create the drama the television show needs.
Don't quite get this thing of staff opening doors without knocking. Couldn't they be fired for that?
If even remotely true, it was something that needed saying from a husband to a wife.
🥹😪 how dreadfully dreadfully alone she really was...almost everyone failing, betraying her.
This was the perfect moment to get a divorce.
Very typical mom
Although as Queen she could also bully a headmaster in ways that spoiled children in a school can’t even imagine…
Philip might remember that leaving the Queen will cut him out of the family. Adultery on his part would legally be TREASON. (Ask Ann Boleyn)
I could be wrong, but I think Elizabeth may have been trapped by her own kindness. She was smart to see Charles's future. He does have sometimes social anxiety and intimacy problems (not just with Diana). Uncle Dickie means well to help Charles, he does not want to interfere. Prince Philip may have been secretly jealous of Charles being so cozy at Buckingham Palace and his own childhood was full of turmoil and chaos. I often wondered if Philip wanted to break out of Buckingham Palace and return to his Naval career instead of his unfulfillment with cutting ribbons and maybe this was his reason to threaten divorce. I think Philip wanted to toughen the sensitive Charles up, but this is always the wrong way of helping a sensitive child. I used to work for an elementary school and so I have seen these situations before. You cannot 'discipline' or 'toughen' a sensitive child - you only compound their pains and embarrassments. I am not an expert but again, I've been aware of how bullies are for a while now. What was it for the queen to contact the headmaster?! She was a concerned mother for goodness' sake! Whether it is a local school down the street or Gordonstoun parents have EVERY RIGHT to see that their child is not harmed or injured emotionally or physically!
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jcI agree with everything you say here - completely wrong approach to sensitive children - but what do you mean by "Elizabeth was trapped by her own kindness" when you seem to think she was right?
@@monmothma3358 I think the queen was trapped in the middle of wanting her child removed from such a horrible school and on the other side the queen knew she could not have a divorce! She really was kind to think about both her husband and Charles. She had a sense of kindness for both of them thus she may have had a feeling of being stuck or even trapped in this painful situation. I hope I explained it 😃. In the long run all three were hurt. Philip never got the rough, tough Charles that he wanted, Charles himself never matured and the queen never made her feelings known to the headmaster to nip this bullying in the bud! Till this day Gordonstoun is under investigation for charges of bullying and abuse. Sad and very shameful. I think in modern times this awful stuff should stop for these students.
Mat Smith
Phillip is right.
Total rubbish I was in the same House at Gordonstoun as Charles and he was not that unhappy,
How could Philip threaten to leave Elizabeth if she withdrew Charles from Gordounston? Legally, they could not divorce since she was the monarch and head of the Church of England.
Separation, maybe. Or an annulment, though that would jeopardise the entire System
well hot damn....
Matt Smith He’s From BBC’s Doctor Who
Prince Who!
he was also Skynet
Queen : bullied children are scared for life ....such a caring mother she's ❤❤❤
Phillip : dont forget to honour yout word and keep your husband .
such a narcissistic, male ego, toxic , narrow minded typical behaviour. this phillip is 😢😢😢worst father .he was jealous of charles the future king ... phillip eventhough born as a prince now a prince consort .
Im glad HRH Prince Philip stood firm on this...everything else, including his familial name was taken from him.
And you're fine with him taking it out on his son?
Prince Charles being in Scotland protected him from the Royal Court and allowed him to grow up away from the it all.
@@AnnaBellaChannel That spartan school, and the constant torment of the other boys, damaged him.
@@genxx2724 Gordonstoun was a new public school. Prince Phillp & Dr Kurt Hahn fled Germany together. Dr Kurt Hahn was the 1st headmaster who had new thinking regarding education hence why we have the Duke of Edinburg'hs Award today. Dr Kurt Hahn was born in 1886 in Berlin to Jewish parents. By having the heir to the throne go their meant other parents wanted to send their children there. Gordonstoun School is a co- educational thriving public school now. Prince Charles spent 5 years at Gordonstoun. Prince Charles also went to school at Geelong Grammar's Timbertop campus in the 70s in Australia which he really enjoyed.
how can you be glad of a parent tormenting his own child just of pettiness?
What the literal fuck.
😅