The use of silence and stillness in this scene is mesmerizing! Which of these two phenomenal actors do you believe owned that scene? Ms.Foy, or Ms.Kirby?
Talk about a misreading of scripture. First of all, I've always found it bizarre that the Church of England "doesn't recognize divorce", when the Church came in to being solely because Henry VIII wanted a divorce from his first wife. Secondly, Jesus himself said divorce was permissible on grounds of adultery (Matthew 5:32). Peter Townsend's wife had committed adultery, so he was perfectly within his scriptural rights to divorce her. There really should not have been any issue with him marrying Princess Margaret.
There wasn’t. Parliament was delighted to say yes - we know that now. There was no question she would lose her income. They WANTED her to keep it. What really happened is that Margaret came to her senses. He groomed her from the age of 14. It wasn’t an innocent attraction. She had a distracted father and a drunk mother who didn’t notice whey he MOVED HIS BEDROOM NEXT TO HERS when she was a child. We didn’t call it grooming back then. But it was. The actual love of Margaret’s life was her father. And somehow, she came to her senses. This was the palatable, public relations coup she managed after. Everyone was supportive. Letters had even been drafted explaining her marriage to commonwealth leaders. It all came out under an official secrets act release picky a few years ago.
I don't think grooming is the right word nor do I think an actual relationship itself occurred. You see during the time Margaret was 14 Peter was still fighting in the royal air force he didn't come on till the very end of george Vis tenure when he was a very sick man. How ever I think grooming is the wrong word too. A palace you not alone and when they thought this was even a possibility they moved him to Brussels. Also when the church separated from the catholic church there wasn't royal divorce except for Henry viii because he was an absolute monarchist but also the house of Windsor was the first royal family to bless divorce in 500 years. The church didn't want another Henry VIII situation they wanted the church to be a church not a free pass to divorce for the royals.
Henry VIII didn't want a divorce from his first wife. Henry VIII didn't believe in divorce. That's just modern shorthand to describe a far more complicated sequence of events. Catherine of Aragon, had been married to Arthur, Prince of Wales, Henry's older brother, before either had turned 16. Her family paid a colossal dowry of 200,000 ducats. In todays money, about $30,000,000 worth of gold. Less then a month later, the two both fell ill with sweating sickness, and although she recovered, Arthur died. Henry VII attempted to retain the money anyway, by having her remarry his second son, Henry, Duke of York, who was five years younger than she was. This would be Henry VIII. Critically however, this required papal dispensation from the pope: because canon law forbade a man to marry his brother's widow. Catherine therefore testified that her marriage to Arthur was never consummated as, also according to canon law, a marriage could be annulled if it was not consummated. This - an annulment - is not the same as a divorce. A divorce ends a marriage. Whilst an annulment proclaims it never to have taken place. Sort of like discovering your wife is your long lost sister. During Henry VIII's reign, he became convinced that his lack of an heir was punishment from God for breaking that law, and marrying his brother's wife. He wanted the Pope to rescind his previous dispensation, and declare that actually, no, Arthur and Catherine *had* consummated their marriage and therefore her marriage to Arthur was valid, which would mean she couldn't also be married to Henry. Theologically, legally, its a very different thing to a divorce.
Everytime Vanessa and Claire had scenes together they nailed it❤ i have rewatched these scenes so many times on youtube but it is beautiful to see these two share the screen
she should have married the guy anyway, colonels (group captains) in the RAF make a good wage and have good pensions. She would no longer have the HRH designation but she would have been happy.
@@michaelplunkett8059 another option, stay engaged permanently, keep the courtship in defiance of parliament. Moreover, parliaments come and go, once more amenable to their marriage came along, they could proceed.
i think the real problem was the fact that it was just Elisabeth and Margaret. in case of The Queens death, Margaret would be Queen. this would become impossible in the case of Margaret marrying Peter Townsend. Elisabeth had no choice.
This never happened. Elizabeth and her then prime minister Anthony Eden came up with the plan to let Margaret marry Peter AND her titles and salary. It was Margaret who said not to announce anything. She made the choice.
@@sherrielee8871 Maybe that would've been for the best. Growing up under the shadow of an older sister and a mother who could fake the deaths of her nieces probably had a lot to do with her depression. A simple life with someone she loved might have been better even if it wasn't as extravagant.
What was an 18 year old Philip when he courted the 13 year old Elizabeth? Different times, different attitudes. Someone forgot to tell Andrew about the changes though.
She did not want to be with him under those conditions, she made her bed. She could have had her man, but at the expense of position. But she loved her postition moore.
Yes, I agree. There have been several women in her position who gave up their royal status & entitlements for the sake of being with the person they chose to marry. One of the most recent was Princess Mako of Japan, who married a commoner in 2021 & gave up her royal title and also refused any traditional payout from the Japanese government. It's not so targic as the show made it out to be. Plain & simple fact is that being a royal meant more to Margaret than being Peter's wife & the mother of his children.
These rules were ridiculous. Let her marry Peter for god's sake. I know what it it is like to have loved and lost so I can relate to this scene. I don't think I will ever love again either. Vanessa Kirby is so damb beautiful.
The rules aren’t ridiculous. They were put in place to protect the family of the Monarch from making disastrous choices. George iii did it I think after his brothers married ‘unwisely’.
Regardless of what really happened, Netflix’s Elizabeth was crazy to think duty meant she had to require Margaret to leave the family if she married Peter. Giving up the title, money, and place in the succession should have been more than enough. Margaret wasn’t abdicating, and she had a nephew and niece to be Elizabeth’s heirs. I don’t know why Netflix thought what the outside world saw required them to write dialogue that depicted their Elizabeth as out of her mind.
Well Elizabeth knew she was going to be queen one day so she had a very small dating pool, it wasn't an accident she ended up marrying a prince. Margaret was given more freedom for her choice of marriage, since after Elizabeth had Charles there was very little chance Margaret would ever be queen but still ended up choosing someone that was deemed as unsuitable.
The queen sure dident pull that with her adulteress son and that’s the 1 time she should have put Charles in his place he’s to old anyways and now sickly smh
She has no choice nonsense she's the Queen. Maybe she needed to remind her advisors of that. She is my sister peter is a decent man if you dont like it petition God.
The use of silence and stillness in this scene is mesmerizing! Which of these two phenomenal actors do you believe owned that scene? Ms.Foy, or Ms.Kirby?
Both! They feed off each other so well, you can't have one without the other.
@@crystaliclakeAnd Eileen Atkins who plays Queen Mary is an absolutely outstanding actress.
That's "actresses," people, not "actors." 🙄😖😒
Talk about a misreading of scripture. First of all, I've always found it bizarre that the Church of England "doesn't recognize divorce", when the Church came in to being solely because Henry VIII wanted a divorce from his first wife. Secondly, Jesus himself said divorce was permissible on grounds of adultery (Matthew 5:32). Peter Townsend's wife had committed adultery, so he was perfectly within his scriptural rights to divorce her. There really should not have been any issue with him marrying Princess Margaret.
Henry was a man , world is too harsh with women, always
Thanks for the versicle!
There wasn’t. Parliament was delighted to say yes - we know that now. There was no question she would lose her income. They WANTED her to keep it. What really happened is that Margaret came to her senses. He groomed her from the age of 14. It wasn’t an innocent attraction. She had a distracted father and a drunk mother who didn’t notice whey he MOVED HIS BEDROOM NEXT TO HERS when she was a child. We didn’t call it grooming back then. But it was. The actual love of Margaret’s life was her father. And somehow, she came to her senses. This was the palatable, public relations coup she managed after. Everyone was supportive. Letters had even been drafted explaining her marriage to commonwealth leaders. It all came out under an official secrets act release picky a few years ago.
I don't think grooming is the right word nor do I think an actual relationship itself occurred. You see during the time Margaret was 14 Peter was still fighting in the royal air force he didn't come on till the very end of george Vis tenure when he was a very sick man.
How ever I think grooming is the wrong word too. A palace you not alone and when they thought this was even a possibility they moved him to Brussels.
Also when the church separated from the catholic church there wasn't royal divorce except for Henry viii because he was an absolute monarchist but also the house of Windsor was the first royal family to bless divorce in 500 years. The church didn't want another Henry VIII situation they wanted the church to be a church not a free pass to divorce for the royals.
Henry VIII didn't want a divorce from his first wife. Henry VIII didn't believe in divorce. That's just modern shorthand to describe a far more complicated sequence of events.
Catherine of Aragon, had been married to Arthur, Prince of Wales, Henry's older brother, before either had turned 16. Her family paid a colossal dowry of 200,000 ducats. In todays money, about $30,000,000 worth of gold. Less then a month later, the two both fell ill with sweating sickness, and although she recovered, Arthur died. Henry VII attempted to retain the money anyway, by having her remarry his second son, Henry, Duke of York, who was five years younger than she was. This would be Henry VIII.
Critically however, this required papal dispensation from the pope: because canon law forbade a man to marry his brother's widow. Catherine therefore testified that her marriage to Arthur was never consummated as, also according to canon law, a marriage could be annulled if it was not consummated. This - an annulment - is not the same as a divorce. A divorce ends a marriage. Whilst an annulment proclaims it never to have taken place. Sort of like discovering your wife is your long lost sister.
During Henry VIII's reign, he became convinced that his lack of an heir was punishment from God for breaking that law, and marrying his brother's wife. He wanted the Pope to rescind his previous dispensation, and declare that actually, no, Arthur and Catherine *had* consummated their marriage and therefore her marriage to Arthur was valid, which would mean she couldn't also be married to Henry.
Theologically, legally, its a very different thing to a divorce.
I never understood why Charles was allowed to get divorced and remarry and not only remain in the family but still be in line for the crown
Times change. They modernise
Because Diana died... Peter's divorcee was not dead..
@@Sandy-sd5cv They where divorced before she passed ...
Maybe because he married when he was a widower.
Because he was a boy and also the firstborn heir (peak male privilege)
Everytime Vanessa and Claire had scenes together they nailed it❤ i have rewatched these scenes so many times on youtube but it is beautiful to see these two share the screen
Even when she's crying, she is so beautiful. Vanessa Kirby is a queen in her own right.👑
she should have married the guy anyway, colonels (group captains) in the RAF make a good wage and have good pensions. She would no longer have the HRH designation but she would have been happy.
Not a good wage when you only know life as a king's daughter.
@@michaelplunkett8059 another option, stay engaged permanently, keep the courtship in defiance of parliament. Moreover, parliaments come and go, once more amenable to their marriage came along, they could proceed.
@@michaelplunkett8059she would have had money from inheritances. Just no longer the allowance.
i think the real problem was the fact that it was just Elisabeth and Margaret. in case of The Queens death, Margaret would be Queen. this would become impossible in the case of Margaret marrying Peter Townsend. Elisabeth had no choice.
If the Queen died Margaret wouldn’t be Queen!!!
This never happened. Elizabeth and her then prime minister Anthony Eden came up with the plan to let Margaret marry Peter AND her titles and salary. It was Margaret who said not to announce anything. She made the choice.
Exactly. She came to her senses. He groomed her from the age of 14. And somehow, she came to her senses.
That was brutal. And so she became the princess with the sad eyes...
She wasn't willing to give up the attention that came with being HRH to be with him so she obviously didn't love him that much.
She saw what happened to her uncle.
I think it was more that she would’ve lost her family. As did Edward Vlll
@@sherrielee8871 no she wouldn't but she would have lost the perks.b
@@sherrielee8871 Maybe that would've been for the best. Growing up under the shadow of an older sister and a mother who could fake the deaths of her nieces probably had a lot to do with her depression. A simple life with someone she loved might have been better even if it wasn't as extravagant.
@@kca3346Faked??? She would have been far to young to know anything about them, let alone fake their deaths.
Peter went off and married a 20 year old in 1959. He knew Margaret when she was a little kid. Guy was a creep and Margaret was groomed.
What was an 18 year old Philip when he courted the 13 year old Elizabeth? Different times, different attitudes. Someone forgot to tell Andrew about the changes though.
😂Margaret knew she didnt love him enough to walk away from the material gains of the royal family or she woukdve chose him.
She did not want to be with him under those conditions, she made her bed. She could have had her man, but at the expense of position. But she loved her postition moore.
Yes, I agree. There have been several women in her position who gave up their royal status & entitlements for the sake of being with the person they chose to marry. One of the most recent was Princess Mako of Japan, who married a commoner in 2021 & gave up her royal title and also refused any traditional payout from the Japanese government. It's not so targic as the show made it out to be. Plain & simple fact is that being a royal meant more to Margaret than being Peter's wife & the mother of his children.
These rules were ridiculous. Let her marry Peter for god's sake. I know what it it is like to have loved and lost so I can relate to this scene. I don't think I will ever love again either. Vanessa Kirby is so damb beautiful.
The rules aren’t ridiculous. They were put in place to protect the family of the Monarch from making disastrous choices. George iii did it I think after his brothers married ‘unwisely’.
well whatever the real story is we can all agree the nonsense against divorce is nothing but toxic
Regardless of what really happened, Netflix’s Elizabeth was crazy to think duty meant she had to require Margaret to leave the family if she married Peter. Giving up the title, money, and place in the succession should have been more than enough. Margaret wasn’t abdicating, and she had a nephew and niece to be Elizabeth’s heirs. I don’t know why Netflix thought what the outside world saw required them to write dialogue that depicted their Elizabeth as out of her mind.
So Maggie, I am the only one in this family to marry the person of choice, questions? Great acting, disgusting stories...
Well Elizabeth knew she was going to be queen one day so she had a very small dating pool, it wasn't an accident she ended up marrying a prince. Margaret was given more freedom for her choice of marriage, since after Elizabeth had Charles there was very little chance Margaret would ever be queen but still ended up choosing someone that was deemed as unsuitable.
That's religion for ya
@@ProfessorTayBno nothing to do with religion. Margareth preferred the royal perks. She wanted the HRH and allowance.
As queen she had all the choices. She put herself in the box. Foolish.
Bye sis. I love you goodbye while I need to tell you and the royale rules to f off.. A title isn't worth conscripture..
I agree. It may have been a shitty choice to make but it was a choice nonetheless. Her uncle gave up the crown to marry his wife.
The queen sure dident pull that with her adulteress son and that’s the 1 time she should have put Charles in his place he’s to old anyways and now sickly smh
😮 What a load of utter nonsense from irrealistic standards.
I’m so glad Prince Harry got away from that 💩
Well im sure the royal family is very happy that 💩 finally left them to be with that yacht girl
EXACTLY. …..
She has no choice nonsense she's the Queen. Maybe she needed to remind her advisors of that. She is my sister peter is a decent man if you dont like it petition God.
She loved her position as a royal more then the man so obviously she did the guy a favor.
She doesn't look anything like Princess Margaret or even like Claire Foy.She looks like a female version of Benedict Cumberbatch..but good actress.