There's actually a feature on Nintendo Switch to have a slight joycon input even when you don't touch the joycon. This feature also called "joycon drift" forces your character to keep moving and prevent screen burn.
lmao same, i don't even change my sleeping position when i'm laying in bed because i don't even want to "waste" one second of the screen, it's probably just paranoia at this point
As an OLED TV owner for the last 5 years, burn in is much less of a concern than people think. I almost exclusively game on my TV and it has about 4500 hours of usage with zero noticeable panel uniformity issues. Newer OLEDs are significantly better at mitigating burn in than my 2016 model, so if mine is safe, a new one will do even better.
Yes but it’s still a risk. OLEDs can differ from each other, one can get burn in very soon and the other won’t get burn in for like the next 7 years and so on. I mean there is MiniLED technology now wich is as great as OLED (you gotta look how many zones the TV has though, the more the better) Samsung has released their new Neo QLED line up (wich has been here since like mid-late 2020 I don’t remember) of 4K and 8K TVs wich can get very deep blacks and realistic colors like OLED TVs but don‘t have the huge cons that OLEDs have such as burn in and lower brightness.
@@armeniancrusader301 As a TV salesman, I can tell you that the Neo QLED TVs have a long ways to go before they can match the OLED TVs in plenty of aspects. While the Neo QLEDs can get brighter, they still exhibit quite a bit of blooming even on the top of the range 4K model (QN90A). And all the other ones such as the QN85A and the 8K TVs still have pretty poor black levels
As an owner of 7 OLED phones over the years i take it as a given that they will burn in. It seems like it's progressively getting worse over the age of the device
@@magfal I feel like it might just be different from person to person then. I've had the Samsung Galaxy S1 Epic, S3, S5, S8, and S20 Ultra (all with OLED screens) and I've never gotten burn in on any of them. I guess I've just gotten really lucky over the years and I totally understand that not everyone has experienced the same way I have.
i figured it wasnt going to be that big of an issue. Part of me suspects they have some burn reduction features in place, however did not make them toggleable in the options to reduce the risk of children or people who are unfamiliar with oled tech turning them off.
Video idea. He needs to record zoomed in on the pixels to see if it is doing any sort of shifting of the image or anything. Pixel time lapses lol. Video coming 1st quarter 2023
I think this is how Apple does their burn-in mitigation. I think they use a kind of accumulation filter in software to subtly dim parts of the screen that aren’t as heavily used so that the whole screen “dims” evenly. I remember a story where somebody did a screen replacement on a burned-in OLED iPhone, and imagine their surprise when the burn-in suddenly appeared in reverse on the new screen.
The simplest thing to way to check for burn-in is to load some monocolor images. 100% white, 50% gray, black. Any burn-in will be visible as changes across the screen.
But thats an unrealistic scenario. I don't think this test is about how quickly he can damage the OLED, it's about whether anyone, anywhere should be worried about it while doing what the switch is intended to do, gaming.
@@MarkGibbons Ahh, sorry, I didn't say that well. I was suggesting that after he tries to burn in with 1100 hours of a static image (as he did), he can then CHECK for OLED damage by loading an all-white or all-gray image. If he sees anything other than a flat white or gray screen, he knows there's damage. It would absolutely make sense to also look at it with other games loaded and see if it's intrusive. But "is there ANY damage?" is easier to diagnose with the test I suggested.
Can't help to wonder how big of a deal it is if you have to go through all that trouble to see it though. That's like looking for scratches on your phone with a magnifying glass if you can't see it without the magnifying glass, it's not an issue.
@@Etsa Yeah, I agree with you. It's just really hard to say "there is or there isn't damage" when you're looking at a moving, complicated screen. But in other kinds of content (say a blue sky in Ace Combat) it would be more intrusive. Thus my suggestion to definitively spot damage. CRTs were subject to burnout, too. I've seen such TVs where there was burnout that really intruded into other viewing experiences. How much it was bothersome depended on the content.
most modern pmic charge regulators will periodically trickle lipos to top them off but I'd bet the wear on the battery is minimal, on the order of the self discharge degradation of the battery but maybe a little accelerated.
I'm curious too but it probably isn't the best test because, altough the battery uses a lot more power than in sleep mode, it doesn't use as much power as it would playing a game.
Considering the OLED model can be docked, 1800 hours on a static image is like 5+ years of typical use (assuming a few hundred hours a year, and roughly 50% docked). I think for the vast majority of people you've shown that burn-in/out shouldn't be a concern at all.
Just a note that many people don't use the dock. In the past year I've never once played using the dock. Neither has either of my 2 sisters. For us, it's a great handheld. So I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that play solely handheld and some that play solely docked as well. This video is catering to the worst case.
@@kscott2655 Same, always play my oled in portable mode since I prefer being in my bedroom than the living room. The extra screen size makes it bearable.
@@kscott2655 a couple years ago Nintendo released their numbers. Before the lite came out it was about 50:50 overall, with some mostly docked, some mostly portable, and most somewhere in the middle.
@@iAmARIFFiskandar Mainly just saying I watched a months old video and when I clicked the homepage I saw the sequel posted only minutes ago, just pointing out the neat coincidence!
Yeah I was gonna get the Oled but I got scared from everyone talking about burn in but now I feel better and gonna go order myself one now for the new Pokémon coming out
To test OLED burnin, open an TH-cam video where you test GRAY uniformity of an OLED... Burn-in is really noticeable in full colored background - orange, gray, magenta, cyan or yellow.
I play a ton of Tetris on my OLED, and there are many elements that stay consistent, so yes, I have been worried about burn-in. This video definitely relieves those concerns. Thanks for putting in the time!
I've got 3 OLED Switches and measure Samsung panels all the time on smartphones. It's very common for the white points to be every so slightly different in their balance of red, blue and green. I'd say it's just that you are seeing here and not from burn in. All 3 switch's white points look very similar in their target but one of them looks slightly more neutral, SLIGHTLY, while the other two have a bit more green cast. As you turn up and down the brightness the white point changes slightly, ever so slightly, as well since their are RGB balance errors through the grayscale. It gets worse as the brightness decreases. Looks terrible below 40% in shadows for example. I can't even play games on this thing at lower brightness if the game uses many darker scenes. The grayscale errors are just too great. This is also typical of Samung calibrated panels, in general, with their galaxy phones! Drives me nuts. Always has. Fyi iPhone also uses Samsung oled panels but the RGB balance is usually better, when I measure them, through the brightness scaling of the grayscale. Guess Apple cares to mind those errors where Samsung just doesn't??? I throw my hands up.
It'd be a waste to throw whole panels out just because a few parts are not up to par. I assume Apple just buys the top percentage panels of the ones Samsung manufacture, as they are supposed to be the same panels.
Got this as my first Switch and have been having a Blast! I've had an Alienware laptop with an OLED screen for about four years and haven't had any issues with burn in. Auto-Sleep and Auto-Dim functions really alleviate most worries I have about it.
OLED burn in is basically fixed with small displays. Phones has used oled for years without issue. Last phone that had major issue was iPhone X. Never seen problem since. But TVs it’s still a major issue
I'm always hesitant on buying things that have both OLED and LED options cause I'm worried for OLED burn-in but also aware that OLED displays are so much better typically. But damn does this change my mind on modern OLED screens now
I've been through multiple OLED phones at this point. The worst I can get is that on pure white background there's some hint of the top bar, and even that goes away on newer phones that has a better designed top bar. And it's not like LCDs won't burn in anyway. Not permanent for sure, but when that happened, it still take weeks to get rid of.
Yo bob, the best way to see the damage caused by burn-in is to fire up the eShop and view the screen through that orange loading banner before it opens. I have an OLED tv that has burn-in from playing way too much destiny but that damage is imperceptible during normal use. the eshop loading screen shows ALL the damage though.
@@ThaexakaMavro right but the newest LG Oleds wouldn't have it for several years. It took my crummy budget oled phone from late 2017 all the way until a couple months ago to show burn in. The old 2015-2016 ish LGs were just really bad for the time.
Hey Wulff, I just wanted to let you know that a white element on the screen is actually the least damaging element on an OLED screem. Bright solid colors burn in the screen several times faster than white, and since the white is the only bright spot on that screenshot, while the rest is quite dim, maybe a different screenshot would do the trick much faster, red being particularly vicious. Maybe a better test would be the Mario Odyssey menu, which has a TON of bright red.
If that's the case, I'd worry even less about burn-in - I can't think of any bright red UI elements or other assets that stay on screen, in the exact same place, for long periods of time while using the Switch. The hearts in BotW that we could see in this test should be noticeable then, no?
@@ADreamingTraveler This is something that just cannot improve. Did the technological advancement make candles burn forever? NO. OLED pixels are like candles, they are SUPPOSED to be USED UP over time.
Great follow-up on a great idea. All of the lost sleep was worth it-I don’t think anybody on the internet has been as devoted to the cause as you have been, good work outta you!
@@dylanalexander4393 This is easily my favorite response to a comment, EVER. Whenever I share my name with people, I always say, “just like the Rolling Stone,” which always gets me blank stares. Finally, I feel seen. Thank you, Dylan!
@@dylanalexander4393 - and a fantastic namesake, indeed! Thanks for a little fun these last couple days-sometimes the TH-cam comment section can feel like the bottom of that pool back in ‘69 … always a pleasure to exchange pleasant words with a pleasant stranger who shares a noteworthy naming tradition! If only Bob (Wolff, not Dylan … switching it up on us there!) knew the good he was promoting in the world-from his excellent sponsor spots to great content-he’s also helping to mend all that social media malarkey.
I just bought the switch OLED and I've actually been, not concerned, but aware of the fact that I didn't wanna keep anything on the screen for too long, good to know this is not really a concern at all. Eased a lot of worried minds I'd imagine. Thanks for another great video!
I don't have one yet (wanna trade my original Ver. 1 Switch in), but I'm honestly not too worried about burn-in. I had a LG phone with an OLED screen previously for a few years and actually used to listen to Monstercat on it all the time. For those that aren't aware, there are bars and words on screen almost all the time. I was only able to really notice the burn-in about 4 years later.
Just for reference, I have a 1st gen OLED 4k Monitor which I've used on a daily basis for about 7 years, and only now has it started to get burn-in. At the moment it is only really noticeable in black areas, but I'm sure it will quickly get worse from now on. Considering my monitor is 1st Gen and OLED manufacturing has gotten better over the years, I wouldn't be too worried about it on the Switch.
I have no regrets upgrading to the Oled and haven't had any burn issues nor any worries about it. If you primarily play in handheld mode the Switch Oled is a fantastic update.
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The funny thing is everyone is super concerned about OLED burn in but they don't think about the image retention problems on traditional LCD's at all. It's very common to see LCD TV's that have been used as billboards in banks or shops to exhibit ghastly color anomalies from display static imagery for 12 or even 24 hours a day, people just assume the panels are simply busted because burn in is just not something we assume to be affecting LCD tech.
I think through normal play you'll never encounter burn in, but the worst offender is the borders in the switch online games. There needs to be a way to turn them off and have the player icon change position every few minutes or so.
bro he has left his switch on for 1800hours on repeat and ur worried about a player icon for a few hours ? tell me how you think thats a concern after this video lmao
I think this is a great experiment to do - I definitely had my worries about the Switch OLED getting burn in but if it’s made it this far I doubt I’ll ever see it in my unit. I think at this stage battery degradation becomes more of a concern
Luckily the battery isn't too hard or expensive to change. Btw. I like my OLED Switch, but the I'm dissapointed how coarse the pixel structure looks. That's why I haven't had it out of the dock since 11. October.
@@tkermi wtf are you talking about... What a stupid dislike. The screen is incredible, you should have just refunded if you couldn't understand what you were seeing lol
@@7bloodi But this is my 1st Switch and I still like it. I'm an AV-tech professional, so I did know that it will have the worst PPI display compared to any other handheld device I have used since 2005. But because it's RGB subpixel structure, not PenTile, I thought it would look better. (Low quality display was the reason I didn't buy the 2017 Switch.) Due to easily visible pixel structure I give the Switch OLED display C+ grade. If it were exactly the same but 1080p would give it A-. That's quite high, but doesn't really need more than 60Hz and RGB structure is nice compared to PenTile. 1080p would mean decent 314 PPI instead of really borderline 209 PPI. So I think if you are used to modern, high PPI OLED display in your phone or 1440p+ display in your tablet, you might be dissapointed to what Switch OLED offers.
Happy to hear the burn in basically isn’t an issue. I’m someone who uses my switch in docked and undocked pretty evenly and the oled’s screen size has always been appealing to me, but my over 4 year old switch is still working just fine so I don’t have a reasonable excuse to get one 😂
Dude, I appreciate your sacrifice to help silence people's fears! You and that Switch will always be remembered. LOL For the roughly 5 days I've had my OLED, I always dim the screen to the lowest brightness I can, while still being able to see everything clearly. That "auto brightness" setting sure helps. Just to make sure I can get at least a couple years of decent display when I'm playing in portable mode. But I tend to dock it on my TV, or either one of my PC monitors(upstairs in my office, or in the living room at my laptop and its external display.) P.S. Playing Link's Awakening, when you're inside a building and the black nothingness around the walls, it is jet black. It took a couple days for me to get used to it. This is my first OLED screen on anything. Something felt off at first. Now I love it.
Your fine but to each their own I’ve been playing my vita OLED since day 1 at full brightness and not burn in and screen is still alive…and my switch OLED I play it at full blast in portable…you should be good for years.
I've had my 65" Samsung OLED tv since 2016 and the only burn-in issue I ever had was playing Breath of the Wild on the Wii U. After playing it for about 100 hours, I noticed that the hearts in the upper left were faintly visible when I wasn't playing the game. Haven't played BotW in about 2 years now and the hearts are no longer visible. Knowing that the Switch OLED doesn't burn in after 1800 hours of BotW is such a relief to hear. Thank you!
This leaving the Switch old all the time experiment is also a good test of the battery charge. It is plugged in but like all batteries, a constant charge and use will degrade the battery over a long period of time. With this switch at max setting on at all time and plugged in, I wanted to see if it will now hold a charger shorter now that it's been on all the time for weeks without turning off
I love that picture of wood and you in the background 🤣 It's totally a meme at this point. It seems like you guys compete to how awkward you can make it LOL
I got an OLED switch to replace my launch switch and I would be lying if burn in was a concern, but also I play a mix of both handheld and docked, so I didn't feel too worried about oled burn un.
@@Chaoskae I sold my launch switch for 200 and it was in not great condition with two joycons that drifted like crazy. I couldn’t believe someone would pay that much for it.
It has an automatic brightness setting that dims the screen a little and I'd say that right there is a feature to avoid burn in, cause I haven't turned it off since I got my switch. I have turned it off just to look at how beautiful the colors are but not for any longer than that
I thought this burn in thing was something the internet and "journalists" would sensationalize to get views. The Vita has an OLED screen and I am STILL occasionally playing it since i got it at launch and it has no burn in and I've left that thing on for hours at a time or played it all day - charged, and then all day again.
@snkrules got 7 phones and tablets over the years from Samsung, 3 burn in issues but they where the oldest of the bunch It happen that's a fact, but it shouldn't stop anyone from enjoying their device, I will keep getting anything Oled when I deem it necessary
@@ArashiKageTaro to be fair you keep TV longer than a phone or game console I always get Oled phones and tablets bit I skipped TV because I keep them on way longer and I use them as pc monitor it would really be an issue there
I’ve never understood the paranoia surrounding the OLED switch and burn-in. My launch Vita 1000 is still going strong, and the screen still looks great. Great video that will hopefully stop some of the nonsense!
Paranoia, and the real answer is a lot of people who don't have access to OLED normally, mitigate their FOMO by telling themselves there's something wrong with it.
@@fvallo By all means. It's your money, and your choices. Don't think it has anything to do with you being or not being an idiot, however. Someone else can decide they are not as paranoid as you, and that they can live without the constant threat of the display boogeyman, or even better, they have one of many burn in warranties available from manufacturer or retailer, and want the far superior picture quality, black reproduction, viewing angles, and pixel refresh rate of OLED. You might feel like you don't have to "babysit" your TV, but you're still stuck with a worse display technology the entire time you own the one you picked.
I just got my first Switch ever. An OLED. I wasn't having fun playing handheld because i could smell the burn-in happening. This video literally soothed me and allowed me to enjoy Tetris Effect without cringing everytime i take 15 minutes on one stage.
Next time try using solid background colors when checking for "burn in" which will make it easier to see without other elements on screen at the same time.
1. Start game on secondary Switch. 2. Enable Airplane Mode on secondary Switch. 3. Start game on primary Switch. This used to work, idk if it still does though.
Another interesting thing would be how good the battery is doing. For the burn in test this Switch was plugged in most of the time. (Which would also be the case if a Switch is used in dock mode most of the time.) So..did it do damage (less battery life) to the battery or did the battery do just fine because the Switch was running directly of the cable?
Thanks for the update! Burn-in was my main concern with the Switch OLED, and it's nice to see that it's probably Samsung making great strides in improving the tech. Also, if anybody out there is ready to fire off about how people like me are too concerned about OLED burn-in, it's probably because it's never happened to you before. It's a legit concern, it's nice that the Switch has a good handle on the issue, end of story.
I think people have a negative reaction to this conversation cern because it is FUD. The technology has improved, and people with a large audience expressing the concern know this. But Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt create a self-perpetuating cycle of articles and videos that harm sales of a product. I like Nintendo and want them to succeed, so it is frustrating to have this fake concern spread
@@dstinnettmusic it is NOT a fake concern dude, did u watch linus video? 6 months and the screen was shit, I think if you buy a fucking console you want it to last at least 4-5 years. That said I understand disinformation is a problem, but a problem that Nintendo actually NEVER adress correctly with hardware, check out the drift problem...
@@dstinnettmusic ... Except that it isn't a fake concern, and Nintendo is actually to blame for a lot of the worry. When asked about the possibility of burn-in, they admitted that it was still possible and there were no custom tweaks made to the Switch OLED like many OLED TVs use nowadays (such as pixel-shifting), and the auto-sleep function should be enough. This isn't some kind of fear-mongering being spread around by the anti-Nintendo crowd. OLED burn-in can happen on just about any OLED screen. It's nice to see Samsung's panel performing so well under this stress test, and that should be the bottom line. But calling burn-in a fake concern sounds a lot like people calling joy-con drift a fake concern; consumers have a right to question the longevity of the devices they purchase.
The tech has been better for a long time. My phone is 3 years old now and the screen hasn't noticeably degraded at all. Part of it is to keep the brightness at 40% or lower most of the time, this really helps longevity. Unless you're constantly using the screen in the sun, it's also healthier for your eyes anyway. I had to turn my switch down to 40% brightness when I got it because it was hurting my eyes playing inside with the default.
This is a completely insane experiment cooked up by a mad man, but I love it. I'm actually surprised how well that screen's holding up. Will be interesting to see how it fares after a year, but if nothing else, I think it's fair to say people should just enjoy their OLED Switches and not worry too much about it.
“If you’re worried about your OLED burning because you have 2k hours on a game… I think you need to relax for a little bit” -Wolff Den- Best quote ever
I appreciate someone is sacrificing an OLED to test this. The OLED is the first Switch I bought. It was announced right around the time I decided it was time to get a Switch. It took a while, but I finally got mine yesterday.
You don't need to have your secondary switch always connected to the internet. You only have to connect it when you want to switch downloaded games. I usually get passed this by just connecting my switch to Hotspot real quick, have it check for online, and then once the game starts. I turn off my Hotspot
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I was always going to get an OLED as a secondary Switch. I'll admit that I had some concern, but not so much burn-in, more-so dimming. I am by no means an expert but I heard that the OLED technology used in the OLED Switch is the same as one would find in a phone with OLED. It doesn't burn in so much as it doesn't get as bright as it ages. My phone is over 3 years old and it's *useless* in bright sunlight now. Anyway, this video put to rest fears I didn't so much as have, but I knew I was prone to getting at some point. Thanks Wulff Den!
I am genuinely confused to why anyone would get a "secondary" switch, maybe it's because I never use it docked and yall want a docked and portable one or something but... I cannot see any other reason why
@@rachelthornberry1240 I play a lot of Pokémon, and forgive me for my possibly patronising reply but I don't know how much you know about it. In Pokémon, there's a really rare chance of finding a differently coloured Pokémon, called a "shiny", denoted by the sparkle effect the game adds to them when you encounter them. A second Switch in this case allows the player to encounter more Pokémon in the same amount of time, because most "hunts" for shinies can be done one handed and with little attention focused on the activity. It's a real hobby that many people engage in, and actually a great community to be a part of. Other than this, I can't think of any reason for one person to own more than one Switch console.
@@radiocaf Huh, I never thought of using it to catch more shinies, I adore Pokémon (am very excited about gen 9) but I appreciate you wouldn't know that, thank you for being so pleasant. I don't hardcore shiny hunt but I guess it makes sense to try and maximise the chances
@@rachelthornberry1240 You are most welcome, I'm glad I could offer some insight into my hobby :) I am also hyped for Gen 9. I have no idea what starter I'm going to choose though, I like them all!
At 5 hours a day, every day that screen would at VERY LEAST would last a year. Factor in how people use mix use between both modes, I easily see this lasting a great while.
@@maegnificant you clearly did not read my full message. 5 hours a day of handheld only!! While yes there is a huge amount of people who only play handheld, studies have been done that show more play in docked. Plus as Bob said, he technically had no burn in atm.
I honestly wasn't worried about burn in until I actually had my Oled Switch. Then I suddenly started noticing all the games with static elements that could burn in xD this video does alleviate my worries a bit.
Hey there, as someone whose never seen your channel before and just had this video pop up on their homepage, just wanted to say I appreciate the little mini skit you made for your sponsor segment! Reminded me of how another channel (Daniel Thrasher) does their segments, and I very much enjoy the style!
For those who are more curious about actual burn-in outside of practical use, putting a gray image on the screen at full brightness would best show any slight differences on OLED panels.
Hey Bob I'll watch your ad because you went with the no BS summary of the burn-in. No "what happened was suprising", just straight with the info. If they track your watch time on the ad portion you got mine
I expected more damage for an OLED screen, but this makes me feel more confident about the technology these days, thanks for your braveness! Keep up the good work!
Isn't red the subpixel that suffer the most from burn-in ? Maybe using a game with really vivid red could give different results ? But it's not too much shocking that a ~350 nits display don't burn as fast as a 1000 nits one
This is comforting. It wasn't a major concern to me because I've never had serious burn in happen in my life, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about it on devices. I've gone the extra mile with my tv to avoid this, so it was on my mind for the Switch OLED. Ty for your service to the community!
I use a OLED tv as a monitor for work, LG CX(the one before the C1), it's on from 7am-10pm most days, had it for about 7 months now and still not seeing any burn-ins. My background is not a black screen very vibrant city skyline. I did do the recommended settings from folks on youtube. Seeing that has not given any issues and also watching your video, I got the OLED switch and looking forward to it, my last nintendo system was a gamecube, excited to see what they got in store.
I wasn't too worried about burn in with my OLED Switch. I had a plasma TV for years and those things were far more prone to burn in. I would often leave it on the news channel with the little ticker on the bottom for hours on end as background noise while I worked on other stuff and in the 12 years I owned that TV, I never had any issues with burn in. The screen finally just died a normal death with zero burn in. Early OLEDS were a lot more prone to it than the current generation of panels so, I would be surprised if anyone had issues with burn in on their Switch under ordinary use. Your experiment showcases that though perfectly.
I've had an LG oled TV for years and play on it 10+ hours a day and my daughter watches movies on it while I'm at work and still no burn in or any issues.
@Seven yeah that's something I've noticed man that's crazy but I guess like you say they don't really like they that much might have to do that theu do look super clean 😏
Burn-in is an issue I had instantly and first thought of with the OLED Switch. I never wanted one, but it had occurred to me about Burn-in. I'll get a new Switch eventually, whenever they come out with an even better model than the OLED, and the second version of the Switch that had better screen and battery, etc.
Damn wolfden you really have a lot of time on your hands! I don't have an extra oled switch to spare nor the time to do a stress test like that. Then again, that is your job lol
I really appreciate this. I'm hoping to get one once they come out with a special edition I like. Hopefully there's no major issues that arise before that.
I have a generation one switch and little kids at home. I absolutely needed to spend the $350. I play almost exclusively in handheld mode. The battery life alone was worth the upgrade for me. The screen being beautiful was just a bonus!
Could you try viewing the screenshots on a lower brightness to see if you can spot the burn in then? And also darker screenshots / areas in a game in general. On my old AMOLED screens the burn in was most noticeable once the screen was more dimmed, like for example from playing a dark game, or watching a night scene in a movie. At full blast or in bright scenes the burn in was almost never visible to my eyes.
We got my 7yo an OLED switch for Christmas, as well as a wireless controller; when I first connected the controller, it was as if the left control stick were locked hard right.... I nearly pissed myself (after going through the time to set it up, download updates etc.) as we were going to play some smash together. Thankfully a reboot fixed it, chocking it up to a strange glitch with all new hardware, but man was it worrisome. it's only been a couple months, but so far the joycons are fine, our aftermarket controllers are fine, screen is fine. I can't believe how nice it looks, my first handheld was a gameboy... so you know, resolution, screen size, color... things I'm not used to seeing in a handheld (even though I've had a smart phone for the past ~16 years or so).
10:34 There’s actually a green tint splotch issue going around. It’s because they’re using displays that Samsung doesn’t want to use or something, or they’re not calibrating them well at different brightness levels. Look it up, you’ll find pictures and videos
Thanks Wulff for the experiment and I do appreciate you sacrificing one of your OLED switch's. It does give me peace of mind when using my OLED switch.
I was initially super concerned about the burn in, but now you've sold me on this thing. Especially since I can hand my current switch to my younger brothers
on a galaxy S8 i actually found noticeable burn-in in 2 weeks. by default it doesn't allow you to set the navigation bar to black, but i used an external command to set it to black anyway because it most resembled the look of previous devices. (the buttons would look like they were not part of the screen) after about 2 weeks i noticed that the area where the notification bar had been was a lot brighter in apps that hid it, and this was most noticeable on all-white screens. so the most extreme burn-in test you can do is to put up a screen with mostly white and at least 1 true black element(which turns off the pixels completely), and then check it with an all-white screen. a smart enough oled screen could perhaps eliminate burn-in by tracking the usage of each individual sub-pixel and continuously recalibrate it, increasing the relative brightness a tiny bit the more it has been used. no burn-in would be visible until sub-pixels decay beyond what it can compensate for, although the screen would gradually consume more power as it gets more use.
This seriously cool for the future of any OLED product. Maybe because it's a 720p screen and the pixels are bigger they last longer? I really like all the updates to the OLED switch, the kickstand, the bigger screen, the chassis improvements. None of which matters to my switch that lives docked 95% of the time. Still glad I ran to Costco at the beginning of the pandemic and picked one up.
I think burn in is a concern for all screens. Not just OLED. In my office we have a decent mix of IPS and OLED screens that display Finder windows, notes, and gmail all day while turning them off probably like twice a week. Half the IPS screens have crazy burn in displaying a ghosted image of some Finder windows or Desktop wallpaper. The OLED screens are fine. We do have more IPS screens than OLED but still.
I don't know if this is something anyone's pointed out but I believe non-primary consoles only have to be online to verify you can launch the game. After that as long as its an offline available game you can disconnect. I gave my lite to my dad and all hes been playing is Arceus, so all he does is connect & start the game then disconnect from the internet. Since thats all he plays so far he just puts it in sleep mode when he's done so it doesnt kick him off when im constantly switching games. I did test it while both consoles were online and it would kick one off when the other logged on as it normally does.
Wasn't really worried, but I really appreciate the lengths you're going to for the experiment here, Bob, and watching just for that. Adam Savage would be proud!
My buddy used to play cod zombies so much that the UI burned into the TV. This was back in 2011. I'm sure TVs don't do that as much anymore. He'd have that UI on his screen for months at a time. 1 game of zombies would sometimes last 12-18 hours when going for high rounds.
I love that fried chicken episode! The fact that Nintendo did not put an option for screen burn in should've signaled the A-OK to not have a fear of burn in as they must've tested that out fully
I went to Target a few days ago and they have an OLED and standard model side to side. They both can play the same demos and vids. I simultaneously booted a video preview for Luigi mansion. 3. You tube reviews can not justify how good the OLED screen looks. I want one now. Now when I play my Gen 2 switch I feel like I'm missing out on vibrate color palettes.
There's actually a feature on Nintendo Switch to have a slight joycon input even when you don't touch the joycon. This feature also called "joycon drift" forces your character to keep moving and prevent screen burn.
Lmao
Genius 1000iq nintendo
They had already planned this.
iTs nOt A bUg ItS a FeAtUrE!
JOYSTICK DRIFT , ItS a FeAtUrE
sad part - some of the switches dont have joystick drift
Good to see you’re clocking your BotW hours up! 😂
When the A is in the GAME 😳
Hi Mr A-Game! How is the chaotic Rickrolling randomizer going?
Bruh i started watching your channel about a week ago and i'm already seeing your first comment! 😂
*Duel of the Fates intensifies*
😂👌
Everytime I put my OLED Switch down for just a second I'm putting it in sleep mode to mitigate burn in. Hearing this actually does relax me a bit.
lmao same, i don't even change my sleeping position when i'm laying in bed because i don't even want to "waste" one second of the screen, it's probably just paranoia at this point
Same! 😂 I always dim my screen even if I’m leaving for just a moment. No unnecessary strain on my OLED!
Same but let’s be honest, we will still put the screen to sleep even after this video xD
@@xokin156 Yes 😅
I don't have a switch (yet) but I have the same feeling about my old fella PsVita 😅
As an OLED TV owner for the last 5 years, burn in is much less of a concern than people think. I almost exclusively game on my TV and it has about 4500 hours of usage with zero noticeable panel uniformity issues. Newer OLEDs are significantly better at mitigating burn in than my 2016 model, so if mine is safe, a new one will do even better.
Yes but it’s still a risk. OLEDs can differ from each other, one can get burn in very soon and the other won’t get burn in for like the next 7 years and so on. I mean there is MiniLED technology now wich is as great as OLED (you gotta look how many zones the TV has though, the more the better)
Samsung has released their new Neo QLED line up (wich has been here since like mid-late 2020 I don’t remember) of 4K and 8K TVs wich can get very deep blacks and realistic colors like OLED TVs but don‘t have the huge cons that OLEDs have such as burn in and lower brightness.
@@armeniancrusader301 As a TV salesman, I can tell you that the Neo QLED TVs have a long ways to go before they can match the OLED TVs in plenty of aspects. While the Neo QLEDs can get brighter, they still exhibit quite a bit of blooming even on the top of the range 4K model (QN90A). And all the other ones such as the QN85A and the 8K TVs still have pretty poor black levels
As an owner of 7 OLED phones over the years i take it as a given that they will burn in.
It seems like it's progressively getting worse over the age of the device
My OLED tv stays on a menu screen constantly, and i haven't noticed any signs of burn in
@@magfal I feel like it might just be different from person to person then. I've had the Samsung Galaxy S1 Epic, S3, S5, S8, and S20 Ultra (all with OLED screens) and I've never gotten burn in on any of them. I guess I've just gotten really lucky over the years and I totally understand that not everyone has experienced the same way I have.
i figured it wasnt going to be that big of an issue. Part of me suspects they have some burn reduction features in place, however did not make them toggleable in the options to reduce the risk of children or people who are unfamiliar with oled tech turning them off.
Video idea. He needs to record zoomed in on the pixels to see if it is doing any sort of shifting of the image or anything. Pixel time lapses lol. Video coming 1st quarter 2023
I think this is how Apple does their burn-in mitigation. I think they use a kind of accumulation filter in software to subtly dim parts of the screen that aren’t as heavily used so that the whole screen “dims” evenly. I remember a story where somebody did a screen replacement on a burned-in OLED iPhone, and imagine their surprise when the burn-in suddenly appeared in reverse on the new screen.
The simplest thing to way to check for burn-in is to load some monocolor images. 100% white, 50% gray, black. Any burn-in will be visible as changes across the screen.
But thats an unrealistic scenario. I don't think this test is about how quickly he can damage the OLED, it's about whether anyone, anywhere should be worried about it while doing what the switch is intended to do, gaming.
@@MarkGibbons Ahh, sorry, I didn't say that well. I was suggesting that after he tries to burn in with 1100 hours of a static image (as he did), he can then CHECK for OLED damage by loading an all-white or all-gray image. If he sees anything other than a flat white or gray screen, he knows there's damage.
It would absolutely make sense to also look at it with other games loaded and see if it's intrusive. But "is there ANY damage?" is easier to diagnose with the test I suggested.
Can't help to wonder how big of a deal it is if you have to go through all that trouble to see it though. That's like looking for scratches on your phone with a magnifying glass if you can't see it without the magnifying glass, it's not an issue.
@@Etsa Yeah, I agree with you. It's just really hard to say "there is or there isn't damage" when you're looking at a moving, complicated screen. But in other kinds of content (say a blue sky in Ace Combat) it would be more intrusive. Thus my suggestion to definitively spot damage.
CRTs were subject to burnout, too. I've seen such TVs where there was burnout that really intruded into other viewing experiences. How much it was bothersome depended on the content.
All black won't light any pixels on the screen since oleds selectively light the pixels.
I'd be curious to know what the condition of the battery is like after been powered constantly for that long.
Yea, that's something else worth testing.
But technically it's always on... Even when you're not using it.
@@Bruno_Laion well no because if it's on its drawing more power than it would in sleep mode.
most modern pmic charge regulators will periodically trickle lipos to top them off but I'd bet the wear on the battery is minimal, on the order of the self discharge degradation of the battery but maybe a little accelerated.
I'm curious too but it probably isn't the best test because, altough the battery uses a lot more power than in sleep mode, it doesn't use as much power as it would playing a game.
Considering the OLED model can be docked, 1800 hours on a static image is like 5+ years of typical use (assuming a few hundred hours a year, and roughly 50% docked). I think for the vast majority of people you've shown that burn-in/out shouldn't be a concern at all.
Exactly. This experiment is extremely targeted.
Just a note that many people don't use the dock. In the past year I've never once played using the dock. Neither has either of my 2 sisters. For us, it's a great handheld. So I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that play solely handheld and some that play solely docked as well. This video is catering to the worst case.
it's the same with LG OLED Panels for TVs nowadays.
@@kscott2655 Same, always play my oled in portable mode since I prefer being in my bedroom than the living room. The extra screen size makes it bearable.
@@kscott2655 a couple years ago Nintendo released their numbers. Before the lite came out it was about 50:50 overall, with some mostly docked, some mostly portable, and most somewhere in the middle.
This is hilarious, I literally *just* finished watching your OLED video where you talked about this test back in October
That’s how youtube recommendations work
Ahh, the TH-cam algorithm gotcha again, huh!>! ?
@@iAmARIFFiskandar Mainly just saying I watched a months old video and when I clicked the homepage I saw the sequel posted only minutes ago, just pointing out the neat coincidence!
Same I watched it like one or two days ago
@@iAmARIFFiskandar the algorithm didnt make this video, that makes no sense
Yeah I was gonna get the Oled but I got scared from everyone talking about burn in but now I feel better and gonna go order myself one now for the new Pokémon coming out
Got one bro it’s fire
Ye get the white one, it’s so clean
I felt the same until I got it, i recently had a switch lite and upgraded to a OLED and the differences are astounding
GET IT it's very worth it
@KingSuperior I am now very curious to hear what you have to say about the new pokemon game 😂
To test OLED burnin, open an TH-cam video where you test GRAY uniformity of an OLED... Burn-in is really noticeable in full colored background - orange, gray, magenta, cyan or yellow.
I play a ton of Tetris on my OLED, and there are many elements that stay consistent, so yes, I have been worried about burn-in. This video definitely relieves those concerns. Thanks for putting in the time!
That's a _real_ expensive night-light there, Bob
BoTW night light at that
I've got 3 OLED Switches and measure Samsung panels all the time on smartphones. It's very common for the white points to be every so slightly different in their balance of red, blue and green. I'd say it's just that you are seeing here and not from burn in.
All 3 switch's white points look very similar in their target but one of them looks slightly more neutral, SLIGHTLY, while the other two have a bit more green cast. As you turn up and down the brightness the white point changes slightly, ever so slightly, as well since their are RGB balance errors through the grayscale. It gets worse as the brightness decreases. Looks terrible below 40% in shadows for example. I can't even play games on this thing at lower brightness if the game uses many darker scenes. The grayscale errors are just too great. This is also typical of Samung calibrated panels, in general, with their galaxy phones! Drives me nuts. Always has.
Fyi iPhone also uses Samsung oled panels but the RGB balance is usually better, when I measure them, through the brightness scaling of the grayscale. Guess Apple cares to mind those errors where Samsung just doesn't??? I throw my hands up.
It'd be a waste to throw whole panels out just because a few parts are not up to par. I assume Apple just buys the top percentage panels of the ones Samsung manufacture, as they are supposed to be the same panels.
Got this as my first Switch and have been having a Blast! I've had an Alienware laptop with an OLED screen for about four years and haven't had any issues with burn in. Auto-Sleep and Auto-Dim functions really alleviate most worries I have about it.
OLED burn in is basically fixed with small displays. Phones has used oled for years without issue. Last phone that had major issue was iPhone X. Never seen problem since. But TVs it’s still a major issue
Do you know what the difference is?
The white switch oled just looks so good. Blown away by the colors in mario 3d world. The white really makes the oled screen pop out!
i also have the white one, but I like the original joy con colors way more.
Urinary Dribble?
I have the white OLED model, and I like the white dock, but the white joy cons are kinda boring lol
@@CatIsBack25 what
I haven't tried mario 3d yet I guess I need to now
I'm always hesitant on buying things that have both OLED and LED options cause I'm worried for OLED burn-in but also aware that OLED displays are so much better typically. But damn does this change my mind on modern OLED screens now
LED tv means it will never suffer from burn in. Led on a tv means it’s a LCD tv
I've been through multiple OLED phones at this point. The worst I can get is that on pure white background there's some hint of the top bar, and even that goes away on newer phones that has a better designed top bar.
And it's not like LCDs won't burn in anyway. Not permanent for sure, but when that happened, it still take weeks to get rid of.
Yo bob, the best way to see the damage caused by burn-in is to fire up the eShop and view the screen through that orange loading banner before it opens. I have an OLED tv that has burn-in from playing way too much destiny but that damage is imperceptible during normal use. the eshop loading screen shows ALL the damage though.
I assume your OLED TV is not a CX or C1 tho?
@@ArashiKageTaro even the newest lg has burn it there's no way around it
Oooo I wanna see this
@@ThaexakaMavro right but the newest LG Oleds wouldn't have it for several years. It took my crummy budget oled phone from late 2017 all the way until a couple months ago to show burn in. The old 2015-2016 ish LGs were just really bad for the time.
@@TheDarkroomDude so you plan on buying new tvs every 2 years?
Hey Wulff, I just wanted to let you know that a white element on the screen is actually the least damaging element on an OLED screem. Bright solid colors burn in the screen several times faster than white, and since the white is the only bright spot on that screenshot, while the rest is quite dim, maybe a different screenshot would do the trick much faster, red being particularly vicious.
Maybe a better test would be the Mario Odyssey menu, which has a TON of bright red.
If that's the case, I'd worry even less about burn-in - I can't think of any bright red UI elements or other assets that stay on screen, in the exact same place, for long periods of time while using the Switch. The hearts in BotW that we could see in this test should be noticeable then, no?
That's weird because on my phone the only things that have burn in are white colors (youtube play button and keyboard letters)
although samsung oled's red pixels basically never suffer burn ins
Why do people think burn in is such an issue with oleds still? lol. I guess some people just have a hard time realizing tech can improve
@@ADreamingTraveler This is something that just cannot improve. Did the technological advancement make candles burn forever? NO. OLED pixels are like candles, they are SUPPOSED to be USED UP over time.
Great follow-up on a great idea. All of the lost sleep was worth it-I don’t think anybody on the internet has been as devoted to the cause as you have been, good work outta you!
Brian Jones, you’re alive?! I thought you drowned in a swimming pool back in ‘69. Did Mick and Keith do a revival ritual to bring you back?
@@dylanalexander4393 This is easily my favorite response to a comment, EVER. Whenever I share my name with people, I always say, “just like the Rolling Stone,” which always gets me blank stares. Finally, I feel seen. Thank you, Dylan!
@@Bushidounohana You’re Welcome! If it adds anything, I was named after Bob.
@@dylanalexander4393 - and a fantastic namesake, indeed! Thanks for a little fun these last couple days-sometimes the TH-cam comment section can feel like the bottom of that pool back in ‘69 … always a pleasure to exchange pleasant words with a pleasant stranger who shares a noteworthy naming tradition! If only Bob (Wolff, not Dylan … switching it up on us there!) knew the good he was promoting in the world-from his excellent sponsor spots to great content-he’s also helping to mend all that social media malarkey.
I just bought the switch OLED and I've actually been, not concerned, but aware of the fact that I didn't wanna keep anything on the screen for too long, good to know this is not really a concern at all. Eased a lot of worried minds I'd imagine. Thanks for another great video!
I don't have one yet (wanna trade my original Ver. 1 Switch in), but I'm honestly not too worried about burn-in.
I had a LG phone with an OLED screen previously for a few years and actually used to listen to Monstercat on it all the time.
For those that aren't aware, there are bars and words on screen almost all the time. I was only able to really notice the burn-in about 4 years later.
Yo you may be better off reselling your ver 1 switch yourself IF homebrew people still seek them out. Just saying
Just for reference, I have a 1st gen OLED 4k Monitor which I've used on a daily basis for about 7 years, and only now has it started to get burn-in. At the moment it is only really noticeable in black areas, but I'm sure it will quickly get worse from now on. Considering my monitor is 1st Gen and OLED manufacturing has gotten better over the years, I wouldn't be too worried about it on the Switch.
10:58
The mere thought of someone using the light theme on their home screen made me shudder.
Same
I wanna say store display units do use the light theme lol
@@LordofCicadas Repulsive, but it makes sense, at least.
That was actually a pretty extreme test. Most people change their games regularly....
For me it's a different game every 50-100 hours
I have no regrets upgrading to the Oled and haven't had any burn issues nor any worries about it. If you primarily play in handheld mode the Switch Oled is a fantastic update.
you dont get brun issus in og siwtch so whart make old big deal way wood i upga to oldo fro what a biger sren and bettyer colors it wos tif money they dont even have red oled liek they do og switch
@@ssjgotenks2009 What
The funny thing is everyone is super concerned about OLED burn in but they don't think about the image retention problems on traditional LCD's at all.
It's very common to see LCD TV's that have been used as billboards in banks or shops to exhibit ghastly color anomalies from display static imagery for 12 or even 24 hours a day, people just assume the panels are simply busted because burn in is just not something we assume to be affecting LCD tech.
This.
LCD is just older, so ppl "think" it is more reliable...
@@repeekyraidcero the image retention in lcd goes away though, with oled it doesn't
Thanks for doing this. It seems like you're the only guy who actually did the work, and tested burn in properly on the OLED Switch. Thanks Wulff.
You mad lad.
I think through normal play you'll never encounter burn in, but the worst offender is the borders in the switch online games. There needs to be a way to turn them off and have the player icon change position every few minutes or so.
Bro did you even watch the video
bro he has left his switch on for 1800hours on repeat and ur worried about a player icon for a few hours ? tell me how you think thats a concern after this video lmao
3:49 I’m so impressed by Bob flinching at himself.
I think this is a great experiment to do - I definitely had my worries about the Switch OLED getting burn in but if it’s made it this far I doubt I’ll ever see it in my unit. I think at this stage battery degradation becomes more of a concern
Luckily the battery isn't too hard or expensive to change. Btw. I like my OLED Switch, but the I'm dissapointed how coarse the pixel structure looks. That's why I haven't had it out of the dock since 11. October.
@@tkermi wtf are you talking about... What a stupid dislike. The screen is incredible, you should have just refunded if you couldn't understand what you were seeing lol
@@7bloodi But this is my 1st Switch and I still like it. I'm an AV-tech professional, so I did know that it will have the worst PPI display compared to any other handheld device I have used since 2005. But because it's RGB subpixel structure, not PenTile, I thought it would look better. (Low quality display was the reason I didn't buy the 2017 Switch.)
Due to easily visible pixel structure I give the Switch OLED display C+ grade. If it were exactly the same but 1080p would give it A-. That's quite high, but doesn't really need more than 60Hz and RGB structure is nice compared to PenTile. 1080p would mean decent 314 PPI instead of really borderline 209 PPI.
So I think if you are used to modern, high PPI OLED display in your phone or 1440p+ display in your tablet, you might be dissapointed to what Switch OLED offers.
@@tkermi The switch can’t even dream of running some games at 1080p 60 fps docked…
There are games running 1080p 60Hz on Switch...
Happy to hear the burn in basically isn’t an issue. I’m someone who uses my switch in docked and undocked pretty evenly and the oled’s screen size has always been appealing to me, but my over 4 year old switch is still working just fine so I don’t have a reasonable excuse to get one 😂
same as me i have the original one like the white box one and the only problem with it is it's really bad battery life
Dude, I appreciate your sacrifice to help silence people's fears! You and that Switch will always be remembered. LOL
For the roughly 5 days I've had my OLED, I always dim the screen to the lowest brightness I can, while still being able to see everything clearly. That "auto brightness" setting sure helps. Just to make sure I can get at least a couple years of decent display when I'm playing in portable mode.
But I tend to dock it on my TV, or either one of my PC monitors(upstairs in my office, or in the living room at my laptop and its external display.)
P.S. Playing Link's Awakening, when you're inside a building and the black nothingness around the walls, it is jet black. It took a couple days for me to get used to it. This is my first OLED screen on anything. Something felt off at first. Now I love it.
Your fine but to each their own I’ve been playing my vita OLED since day 1 at full brightness and not burn in and screen is still alive…and my switch OLED I play it at full blast in portable…you should be good for years.
@@TheL1arL1ar I had no Idea the Vita 1000 is OLED. Good to know!
I've had my 65" Samsung OLED tv since 2016 and the only burn-in issue I ever had was playing Breath of the Wild on the Wii U. After playing it for about 100 hours, I noticed that the hearts in the upper left were faintly visible when I wasn't playing the game. Haven't played BotW in about 2 years now and the hearts are no longer visible. Knowing that the Switch OLED doesn't burn in after 1800 hours of BotW is such a relief to hear. Thank you!
This leaving the Switch old all the time experiment is also a good test of the battery charge. It is plugged in but like all batteries, a constant charge and use will degrade the battery over a long period of time. With this switch at max setting on at all time and plugged in, I wanted to see if it will now hold a charger shorter now that it's been on all the time for weeks without turning off
your lier i my og switch from years andf gus what if paly chger shit ton tiem berryu is steel the some it dont egrade over time your lieing
I love that picture of wood and you in the background 🤣 It's totally a meme at this point. It seems like you guys compete to how awkward you can make it LOL
I got an OLED switch to replace my launch switch and I would be lying if burn in was a concern, but also I play a mix of both handheld and docked, so I didn't feel too worried about oled burn un.
If you have a launch switch you have a very sought after switch. You can sell it to people who are into CFW/Modding or you can mod it yaself
@@Chaoskae I sold my launch switch for 200 and it was in not great condition with two joycons that drifted like crazy. I couldn’t believe someone would pay that much for it.
@@MatthewHop the launch switches are Easy to mod I would’ve gave you 200+ myself depending on its condition too. I don’t care for the joy cons
I gave my launch switch to my roommate who wanted to play games like Rise and MH stories, as well as some accessories that I had like an extra case.
@@Chaoskae why are launch switches sought after? I have a launch switch but I love it lol
It has an automatic brightness setting that dims the screen a little and I'd say that right there is a feature to avoid burn in, cause I haven't turned it off since I got my switch. I have turned it off just to look at how beautiful the colors are but not for any longer than that
I thought this burn in thing was something the internet and "journalists" would sensationalize to get views. The Vita has an OLED screen and I am STILL occasionally playing it since i got it at launch and it has no burn in and I've left that thing on for hours at a time or played it all day - charged, and then all day again.
For OLED TVs, a lot of the fear is caused by Samsung’s anti-OLED propaganda, cause they know OLED is superior to QLED.
@snkrules got 7 phones and tablets over the years from Samsung, 3 burn in issues but they where the oldest of the bunch
It happen that's a fact, but it shouldn't stop anyone from enjoying their device, I will keep getting anything Oled when I deem it necessary
@@ArashiKageTaro to be fair you keep TV longer than a phone or game console
I always get Oled phones and tablets bit I skipped TV because I keep them on way longer and I use them as pc monitor it would really be an issue there
I got burn in with my Vita.. Unfortunately
@@michalovesanime That's a shame
I’ve never understood the paranoia surrounding the OLED switch and burn-in. My launch Vita 1000 is still going strong, and the screen still looks great.
Great video that will hopefully stop some of the nonsense!
Paranoia, and the real answer is a lot of people who don't have access to OLED normally, mitigate their FOMO by telling themselves there's something wrong with it.
@@leonfrancis3418 pf, more like usage scenario, i chosen fald lcd over oled, i dont want to babysit 1000 dollar tv, iam not an idiot
@@fvallo By all means. It's your money, and your choices.
Don't think it has anything to do with you being or not being an idiot, however.
Someone else can decide they are not as paranoid as you, and that they can live without the constant threat of the display boogeyman, or even better, they have one of many burn in warranties available from manufacturer or retailer, and want the far superior picture quality, black reproduction, viewing angles, and pixel refresh rate of OLED.
You might feel like you don't have to "babysit" your TV, but you're still stuck with a worse display technology the entire time you own the one you picked.
In fact I *was* worried about the burn-in. Seriously considering it now, specially since I own a V1 since 2018
Just do it!!!
I’d jail break ur v1 n get a oled just have 2
I just got my first Switch ever. An OLED. I wasn't having fun playing handheld because i could smell the burn-in happening. This video literally soothed me and allowed me to enjoy Tetris Effect without cringing everytime i take 15 minutes on one stage.
Next time try using solid background colors when checking for "burn in" which will make it easier to see without other elements on screen at the same time.
Yeah but that doesn’t actually mimic real time use
1. Start game on secondary Switch.
2. Enable Airplane Mode on secondary Switch.
3. Start game on primary Switch.
This used to work, idk if it still does though.
Hey Bob? How’s the OLED burn-in test going? It’s probably been a few days since you filmed this video, so an update is warranted.
Yeah. And he should try turning on the burn in feature
Waiting!
Yall it's been months now. I wonder if he's even still doing it.
@@neowolf09it were all lies!!
Another interesting thing would be how good the battery is doing. For the burn in test this Switch was plugged in most of the time. (Which would also be the case if a Switch is used in dock mode most of the time.)
So..did it do damage (less battery life) to the battery or did the battery do just fine because the Switch was running directly of the cable?
Thanks for the update! Burn-in was my main concern with the Switch OLED, and it's nice to see that it's probably Samsung making great strides in improving the tech. Also, if anybody out there is ready to fire off about how people like me are too concerned about OLED burn-in, it's probably because it's never happened to you before. It's a legit concern, it's nice that the Switch has a good handle on the issue, end of story.
I think people have a negative reaction to this conversation cern because it is FUD.
The technology has improved, and people with a large audience expressing the concern know this. But Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt create a self-perpetuating cycle of articles and videos that harm sales of a product.
I like Nintendo and want them to succeed, so it is frustrating to have this fake concern spread
@@dstinnettmusic it is NOT a fake concern dude, did u watch linus video? 6 months and the screen was shit, I think if you buy a fucking console you want it to last at least 4-5 years. That said I understand disinformation is a problem, but a problem that Nintendo actually NEVER adress correctly with hardware, check out the drift problem...
@@dstinnettmusic ... Except that it isn't a fake concern, and Nintendo is actually to blame for a lot of the worry. When asked about the possibility of burn-in, they admitted that it was still possible and there were no custom tweaks made to the Switch OLED like many OLED TVs use nowadays (such as pixel-shifting), and the auto-sleep function should be enough.
This isn't some kind of fear-mongering being spread around by the anti-Nintendo crowd. OLED burn-in can happen on just about any OLED screen. It's nice to see Samsung's panel performing so well under this stress test, and that should be the bottom line. But calling burn-in a fake concern sounds a lot like people calling joy-con drift a fake concern; consumers have a right to question the longevity of the devices they purchase.
@@averagejoee Your comment showed up after I had started writing mine, lol. Great points!
The tech has been better for a long time. My phone is 3 years old now and the screen hasn't noticeably degraded at all. Part of it is to keep the brightness at 40% or lower most of the time, this really helps longevity. Unless you're constantly using the screen in the sun, it's also healthier for your eyes anyway. I had to turn my switch down to 40% brightness when I got it because it was hurting my eyes playing inside with the default.
This is a completely insane experiment cooked up by a mad man, but I love it. I'm actually surprised how well that screen's holding up. Will be interesting to see how it fares after a year, but if nothing else, I think it's fair to say people should just enjoy their OLED Switches and not worry too much about it.
“If you’re worried about your OLED burning because you have 2k hours on a game… I think you need to relax for a little bit” -Wolff Den-
Best quote ever
I appreciate someone is sacrificing an OLED to test this. The OLED is the first Switch I bought. It was announced right around the time I decided it was time to get a Switch. It took a while, but I finally got mine yesterday.
You don't need to have your secondary switch always connected to the internet. You only have to connect it when you want to switch downloaded games. I usually get passed this by just connecting my switch to Hotspot real quick, have it check for online, and then once the game starts. I turn off my Hotspot
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I was always going to get an OLED as a secondary Switch. I'll admit that I had some concern, but not so much burn-in, more-so dimming. I am by no means an expert but I heard that the OLED technology used in the OLED Switch is the same as one would find in a phone with OLED. It doesn't burn in so much as it doesn't get as bright as it ages. My phone is over 3 years old and it's *useless* in bright sunlight now. Anyway, this video put to rest fears I didn't so much as have, but I knew I was prone to getting at some point. Thanks Wulff Den!
I am genuinely confused to why anyone would get a "secondary" switch, maybe it's because I never use it docked and yall want a docked and portable one or something but... I cannot see any other reason why
@@rachelthornberry1240 I play a lot of Pokémon, and forgive me for my possibly patronising reply but I don't know how much you know about it. In Pokémon, there's a really rare chance of finding a differently coloured Pokémon, called a "shiny", denoted by the sparkle effect the game adds to them when you encounter them. A second Switch in this case allows the player to encounter more Pokémon in the same amount of time, because most "hunts" for shinies can be done one handed and with little attention focused on the activity. It's a real hobby that many people engage in, and actually a great community to be a part of. Other than this, I can't think of any reason for one person to own more than one Switch console.
@@radiocaf Huh, I never thought of using it to catch more shinies, I adore Pokémon (am very excited about gen 9) but I appreciate you wouldn't know that, thank you for being so pleasant. I don't hardcore shiny hunt but I guess it makes sense to try and maximise the chances
@@rachelthornberry1240 You are most welcome, I'm glad I could offer some insight into my hobby :) I am also hyped for Gen 9. I have no idea what starter I'm going to choose though, I like them all!
@@radiocaf Hehe same, I usually go for fire types though but the other two are so cute I might actually consider them depending on their final evos
At 5 hours a day, every day that screen would at VERY LEAST would last a year. Factor in how people use mix use between both modes, I easily see this lasting a great while.
a year is a very short time span dude
one of the worst cases of Nintendo fan coping I have ever seen
S###, I use the v2 one like 10 hours a day off docked?😅
@@maegnificant you clearly did not read my full message. 5 hours a day of handheld only!! While yes there is a huge amount of people who only play handheld, studies have been done that show more play in docked. Plus as Bob said, he technically had no burn in atm.
@@suba7320 lol yeah no. I’m Xbox and pc my friend. I’m not a Nintendo fan. Don’t put words in my mouth.
The portrait of Bob and Wood 🤣
If y'all got married he could be Wood Wulff or you could be Bob Beat'em-ups!
I honestly wasn't worried about burn in until I actually had my Oled Switch. Then I suddenly started noticing all the games with static elements that could burn in xD this video does alleviate my worries a bit.
Hey there, as someone whose never seen your channel before and just had this video pop up on their homepage, just wanted to say I appreciate the little mini skit you made for your sponsor segment! Reminded me of how another channel (Daniel Thrasher) does their segments, and I very much enjoy the style!
For those who are more curious about actual burn-in outside of practical use, putting a gray image on the screen at full brightness would best show any slight differences on OLED panels.
I like the idea, but wouldn’t that be unpracticed because of the constant full screen one tone grey?
@@user-.u. Of course! It is still interesting to observe the minor differences to better understand how OLED is effected.
@@swsiiiyep!
Edit- so sorry, I didn’t read your original comment correctly, i see you meant unpractical use lol
Hey Bob I'll watch your ad because you went with the no BS summary of the burn-in. No "what happened was suprising", just straight with the info.
If they track your watch time on the ad portion you got mine
I expected more damage for an OLED screen, but this makes me feel more confident about the technology these days, thanks for your braveness! Keep up the good work!
Where did you get those Pokémon controller things?
Isn't red the subpixel that suffer the most from burn-in ? Maybe using a game with really vivid red could give different results ?
But it's not too much shocking that a ~350 nits display don't burn as fast as a 1000 nits one
in that case, his HP should have burnt in
This is comforting. It wasn't a major concern to me because I've never had serious burn in happen in my life, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about it on devices. I've gone the extra mile with my tv to avoid this, so it was on my mind for the Switch OLED. Ty for your service to the community!
Thanks for taking the time, effort and resources to conduct this test! I'm glad to see the results so far. Please keep us posted!
I use a OLED tv as a monitor for work, LG CX(the one before the C1), it's on from 7am-10pm most days, had it for about 7 months now and still not seeing any burn-ins. My background is not a black screen very vibrant city skyline. I did do the recommended settings from folks on youtube. Seeing that has not given any issues and also watching your video, I got the OLED switch and looking forward to it, my last nintendo system was a gamecube, excited to see what they got in store.
“how the hell do you have 1800 hrs on BOTW”
“i don’t wanna talk about it”
I wasn't too worried about burn in with my OLED Switch. I had a plasma TV for years and those things were far more prone to burn in. I would often leave it on the news channel with the little ticker on the bottom for hours on end as background noise while I worked on other stuff and in the 12 years I owned that TV, I never had any issues with burn in. The screen finally just died a normal death with zero burn in. Early OLEDS were a lot more prone to it than the current generation of panels so, I would be surprised if anyone had issues with burn in on their Switch under ordinary use. Your experiment showcases that though perfectly.
thanks algorythm
I loved it
5:46 it also works when it's undocked, might be another setting though, but it works the same as on the tv
I wonder if Nintendo will do screen replacements in the future.
I've had an LG oled TV for years and play on it 10+ hours a day and my daughter watches movies on it while I'm at work and still no burn in or any issues.
Still giving this one a pass not really something I feel I need I do like the white joycons tho 🤔
Still bummed they haven’t made the whit joycons available as standalones…
@Seven yeah that's something I've noticed man that's crazy but I guess like you say they don't really like they that much might have to do that theu do look super clean 😏
Burn-in is an issue I had instantly and first thought of with the OLED Switch. I never wanted one, but it had occurred to me about Burn-in. I'll get a new Switch eventually, whenever they come out with an even better model than the OLED, and the second version of the Switch that had better screen and battery, etc.
Damn wolfden you really have a lot of time on your hands! I don't have an extra oled switch to spare nor the time to do a stress test like that. Then again, that is your job lol
you realize he wasn't watching it the entire time, right lol
@@LordofCicadas of course, he turned it on end let it sit
That’s relieving to know it’s not much of a problem, if at all!
I really appreciate this. I'm hoping to get one once they come out with a special edition I like. Hopefully there's no major issues that arise before that.
I have a generation one switch and little kids at home. I absolutely needed to spend the $350. I play almost exclusively in handheld mode. The battery life alone was worth the upgrade for me. The screen being beautiful was just a bonus!
WHY IS YOUR HOME PAGE WHITE 😵😵
Could you try viewing the screenshots on a lower brightness to see if you can spot the burn in then? And also darker screenshots / areas in a game in general. On my old AMOLED screens the burn in was most noticeable once the screen was more dimmed, like for example from playing a dark game, or watching a night scene in a movie. At full blast or in bright scenes the burn in was almost never visible to my eyes.
5% grey should show it
Yea it’s 2021, I don’t know why everyone was scared about burn in when OLED tech has had years of improvement
We got my 7yo an OLED switch for Christmas, as well as a wireless controller; when I first connected the controller, it was as if the left control stick were locked hard right.... I nearly pissed myself (after going through the time to set it up, download updates etc.) as we were going to play some smash together. Thankfully a reboot fixed it, chocking it up to a strange glitch with all new hardware, but man was it worrisome. it's only been a couple months, but so far the joycons are fine, our aftermarket controllers are fine, screen is fine. I can't believe how nice it looks, my first handheld was a gameboy... so you know, resolution, screen size, color... things I'm not used to seeing in a handheld (even though I've had a smart phone for the past ~16 years or so).
Oh what a relief. I guess is safe for me to play for 1.8k hours straight without worrying about burn-in
10:34 There’s actually a green tint splotch issue going around. It’s because they’re using displays that Samsung doesn’t want to use or something, or they’re not calibrating them well at different brightness levels. Look it up, you’ll find pictures and videos
Thanks Wulff for the experiment and I do appreciate you sacrificing one of your OLED switch's. It does give me peace of mind when using my OLED switch.
I was initially super concerned about the burn in, but now you've sold me on this thing. Especially since I can hand my current switch to my younger brothers
on a galaxy S8 i actually found noticeable burn-in in 2 weeks.
by default it doesn't allow you to set the navigation bar to black, but i used an external command to set it to black anyway because it most resembled the look of previous devices. (the buttons would look like they were not part of the screen)
after about 2 weeks i noticed that the area where the notification bar had been was a lot brighter in apps that hid it, and this was most noticeable on all-white screens.
so the most extreme burn-in test you can do is to put up a screen with mostly white and at least 1 true black element(which turns off the pixels completely), and then check it with an all-white screen.
a smart enough oled screen could perhaps eliminate burn-in by tracking the usage of each individual sub-pixel and continuously recalibrate it, increasing the relative brightness a tiny bit the more it has been used.
no burn-in would be visible until sub-pixels decay beyond what it can compensate for, although the screen would gradually consume more power as it gets more use.
True my s8 alsp whent full retard noq i have s10 plus
This seriously cool for the future of any OLED product. Maybe because it's a 720p screen and the pixels are bigger they last longer?
I really like all the updates to the OLED switch, the kickstand, the bigger screen, the chassis improvements. None of which matters to my switch that lives docked 95% of the time. Still glad I ran to Costco at the beginning of the pandemic and picked one up.
I feared Burn in/out since the screen was great I use handheld more I would turn off m y switch every time I put it down so this helps thanks!
Wulff never fails on doing a sponsor clip I love that it's funny.
I think burn in is a concern for all screens. Not just OLED. In my office we have a decent mix of IPS and OLED screens that display Finder windows, notes, and gmail all day while turning them off probably like twice a week. Half the IPS screens have crazy burn in displaying a ghosted image of some Finder windows or Desktop wallpaper. The OLED screens are fine. We do have more IPS screens than OLED but still.
I don't know if this is something anyone's pointed out but I believe non-primary consoles only have to be online to verify you can launch the game. After that as long as its an offline available game you can disconnect. I gave my lite to my dad and all hes been playing is Arceus, so all he does is connect & start the game then disconnect from the internet. Since thats all he plays so far he just puts it in sleep mode when he's done so it doesnt kick him off when im constantly switching games. I did test it while both consoles were online and it would kick one off when the other logged on as it normally does.
This was probably my top concern so I’m really glad to hear it won’t be an issue! I ended up getting one earlier before I knew though xD
It was a concern for me. As someone who bought Switch OLED. Thank you for the video 👍🏻 you rock man!
Wasn't really worried, but I really appreciate the lengths you're going to for the experiment here, Bob, and watching just for that. Adam Savage would be proud!
My buddy used to play cod zombies so much that the UI burned into the TV. This was back in 2011. I'm sure TVs don't do that as much anymore. He'd have that UI on his screen for months at a time. 1 game of zombies would sometimes last 12-18 hours when going for high rounds.
I love that fried chicken episode! The fact that Nintendo did not put an option for screen burn in should've signaled the A-OK to not have a fear of burn in as they must've tested that out fully
Thank you! I've been super worried about burn in because my phone has significant burn in but this really puts my mind at ease.
Way to go! Doing something useful yet again. I was really wondering about this aspect of the OLED. Thanks man
I went to Target a few days ago and they have an OLED and standard model side to side. They both can play the same demos and vids. I simultaneously booted a video preview for Luigi mansion. 3.
You tube reviews can not justify how good the OLED screen looks. I want one now. Now when I play my Gen 2 switch I feel like I'm missing out on vibrate color palettes.