@@Effaly_ have you read the notes on his little table yet? I like my red flags like any other, heck I live for troubled and dramatic love interests BUT he/she/they are on a whole new level...
It's cheating technically but if you're trying to keep a good reputation with Lae'zel while also avoiding the terrible debuffs, there is a way to do it. Let Lae'zel sit in the chair but when the first dialogue option appears, switch to a different party member and move a box or some other object around in the infirmary. The doctor will notice and warn you against stealing, which cancels the previous dialogue. Now, you can have your main character sit in the chair and play out the scene normally but without upsetting Lae'zel. Win-win!
I gave the middle option, something like "You'd be dead without me. I've earned the right- I'm going first." She responded something like "You walk the line of confidence and arrogance... and you walk it skillfully. Very well, you will go first. I will go after." I also had pretty high approval already with her though.
@@TheCrimsonRevenger Actually I got positive approval! Lae'zel seems to appreciate people who stand up for themselves as long as they're reliably able to back it up and aren't just full of bluster.
Laezel can actually do this event just fine. You can convince her to hold strong and she uses her prayer to get through the event and doesnt have debuffs. (Side note: I was also githyanki so I had special dialogue options) Allowing her to do this helps convince her Vlaakith is no ally. She stays blind to it at first but later revelations go much smoother.
I am pretty sure this is also the route i went through as a half-elf companion of hers, i just care about bae zel too much to let her suffer :( Nevermind, i actually just checked it and she only has the intelligence debuff, so i guess the debuffs depend on how far you go with it ? Oh well, i don't know every possible option but convincing her that vlaakith is an enemy wasn't too hard for me, even as someone who doesn't have any charisma, this game has so much depth to it.
Agreed @@zackfair6791. Int penalty had no impact at all on the game. She's in my party for her killing ability and overall badass attitude - not her smarts!
I did this, i got the debuffs on laezel, but i was able to get rid of them. Trouble is i don't remember how. Either a restoration spell or remove curse.
@@Swifeaf yup. Either you use the machine and pass all the checks to get the buff (which i didn’t know about at the time) or have her use it then immediately bail out for a huge approval boost from her
@@clownworld4655 Easier said than done, its a DC 30 check to convince her to leave. At level 5 with 18 Charisma and expertise in Persuasion and I still need a natural 20 to pass that one.
@@neverknowsbest1717 I was not, no. I checked my saves after the first comment reply saying it didnt work. Definitely worked. Also definitely did not work on my latest/current playthrough. I'll post some screenies for you.
A couple small corrections: 1) The Creche is still in Act 1, not 2. Act 2 begins with your arrival in the Shadowcursed Lands.* 2) It's not "the one and only Zai'thisk" - it's heavily implied that there are many, possibly even one in every Creche. *Edit: It seems a lot of people get confused by the "You're about to progress your adventure...." warning when you go to enter the Mountain Pass. That's a trigger point that can cause the druid grove plot to advance, but it is NOT the act-change. if each of those warnings meant a change in acts, the game would have 4 acts, and 2 would be JUST the Mountain Pass (and entirely skippable). Larian themselves made it clear when the acts change, because there's an achievement for each - and the "Enter Act 2" achievement pops when you enter the Shadow-cursed Lands.
No it's in act 2 the instant you pass the mountain pass in game you trigger act 2 and their is only one Zai'thisk in the game because you only visit one Creche
No, when you select to enter the Mountain Pass they tell you to make sure to tie up loose ends because some content act 1 will be gone. That means you are going from one act to the other.
I noticed this game takes from Planescape Torment: if you have an option to permanently mutilate your body, always take it. Tav gets buffs from a brand like Nameless One tattoos, losing your eye is bonus exactly like there, and eating tadpoles is like consuming your own organs in PST.
In my current playthrough of just an OC Gith'Yanki and Lae'Zel alone on the journey with no other companions, this section was very different narratively. I also learned that if you go into turn based combat and kill/knock out the doctor before she escapes the room, the rest of the fortress will not be alerted to you and not be hostile, letting you go to the Inquisitor and have a 2 on 1 chat with Vlaakith as a loyal follower.
@@Hirotoro4692 When I got out I told the doctor the tadpole died, but failed the roll. She locked the door & came back with guards -saying my deception is proof I'm falling sway to the Ghaik. When I suceeded that check, she just let me leave fine. I did still have one more fight between that & the inquisitor, though.
@@Zambedosyeah but what I'm saying is it only makes a few enemies turn hostile in the room outside the door. It doesn't turn the entire crèche hostile. The only way to do that is to go to the stuff with vlaakith and wwargaz
note: I actually sent in Lae'zel alone, with my character being detached. The whole thing went by fast, and now that I check she has all 3 of these However. the tooltip says much more than shown. All 3 of them have an extra sentence: "The Githianki device failed to to harm your illithid parasite - perhaps consuming more would mend your broken mind" in that one, I did convince her to be open to upgrading the illithid powers, but haven't done so yet. Guess it ain't permament if one plays it right
Well, I will have to do this for my Embrace the Power Durge run. But being a Pally this run, the PC has the front line covered. I actually threw Lae'zal and Karlach a couple levels of rogue so they could deal with traps and locks, since I may have disposed of someone early in Act1.
My PC is also a pally. Funfact warl9ck pact of the blade give you CHA stat BONUS. Meaning it count your STR and ADD your CHA. I stead of using the CHA like in the table top. So i am doing a Pal/warlock. Astarion is thief/ranger. Laezel is battlemaster Shadowheart is life cleric/spore druid for that necromancer/dark side cleric roleplay. So far i am having a blast!
I made my Karlach a 3eldricht knight/3 berzerker/3 rogue, i get to throw with the bonus action...its pretty buated. And fun. I made her lile a Thor...but with Fire instead. Throwing that fire handaxe for now. With the ring and tavern brawler. Its amazing! Gave her medium armor and a shield. I wasnt expecting me to do that...
This one was the most upsetting one in the entire game, especially because i only saw it at the end of act2 when i tried to respec her into a strength monk where all 3 stats are the most important.
I did, but failed a saving throw and her INT went down. I just re-specc'ed her into a monk and pumped her WIS and STR up and gave her the 18 Dex gloves. She now fights WAY better
I build her battlemaster/berzerker with tavern brawler and great weapon fighter. With the throw ring. She basically jump everywhere on the battlefield and can throw all the magic weapon i cant use because of my group composition: lance, spear and axes. Having her throw a great axe to a goblin is higly satisfactory.
@@geralddavis5628 Save scumming is lame. You moght want to do it in your first run. But i still prefer to roll with what happens. A lot more fun. Otherwise whats the point of even rolling??
@@celuiquipeut6527 um all games have save points in order to restart with better gear, choices and equipment. why would anyone want negative stats or end the game early on bad choices? If you prefer to play it out, by all means, that is your choice but saves are there for a reason
You can convince Lae'Zel to use the tadpoles, and when she uses one she removes the debufs. A note was added in patch 1.0 that said "You can now cure the zaith'isk debuffs with tadpoles"
Ah, I am well past this and I failed every dice roll. This video made me panic but I checked and she has no debuffs. This explains why. She has accepted the tadpoles.
I realized several hours into the game that I had crippled lae'zel. Sice the dc's were 30 (practically impossible) I thought the game intended me to fail and continue. They never notify the player the permanent damage you're making and they don't let you heal lae'zel with a high level spell ehich kinda breaks table top rules.
Same thing happened to me, I'm in act3 and just noticed now. I was angry for about 30 seconds, then I realized that all of my characters are insanely overpowered right now and I haven't even come close to actually losing a fight in around the last 30 hours so it doesn't matter much.
yeah I noticed after completing the whole area, she had all -2 to 3 stats lol But I just used for this area so it doesn't matter and replaced her back with Karlach again. Think if you roll a nat 20 you can get it done even if you don't have 30 points the normal way. So a lot of reloading lol
@@Kuroganemk2 exactrly what we did. used that useless rude idiot to get Awakened for ourselves and swapped her back for big hot momma. That debuff will teach her humility
@@303ThatoneguyI got all of the powers, and didn’t turn into a mind flayer. They hint at bad consequences but in my experience rarely follow through on the subtle ones. See also the Thayan book.
@@303Thatoneguy you dont become illithid unless you choose to. You can become, half-ilithid if u fail a dice roll later, resulting in ... well, black eyes with fucked up black/purple vines which totally fuck up your looks. Or u can choose to become half illithid. Being able to fly on demand is quite overpowered
I took a long rest without realizing Lae’zel had left the party to approach and talk to the Githyanki group by herself. When we left camp she was dead at their feet. Sneaking my character said in a whisper “killed by her own people”. Looking forward to the second play through where she stays alive LOL.
You can also get the Awakened buff by encouraging her to fight through the pain (these DC's are also lower). Then it will give you an option to link with the Zathisk and destroy it. Thus giving you the Awakened buff and Laezel does not get debuffs.
Huge tip: Shapeshift into a Gith and bluff your way in. Meanwhile you can get Shapeshifter's Ring bonuses if you scam it off the Strange Ox. Also get Bliss Spores from handing in Spaw's quest.
Ahhh that's why Mind Blast is a bonus action on my PC, but not my other party members! I didn't even know I had the awakened buff and that was confusing the heck out of me (but it's sooooo good!) xD
Yeah well Loviatar’s love was also a permanent buff but it went away after I died in the boat fight to Grymforge. Lae’Zel did too. I’ll need to check if she has that.
If Lae'zel does get the debuffs, there are three parasite samples in the room. Feed them all to Lae'zel and it cures her stats right up in addition to giving her the listed powers.
If you let Lae'Zel enter the Zai'thisk and convince her to remain in the chair throughout, you will also get the Awakened perk. So far I have only encountered one other spot in Act 1 that will give you another buff to the Parasite, granting an Illithid power....even though I have not yet unlocked the powers tab.
Yeah legit let her stay for like most the dialogue I dont see why id metagame and ruining her beliefs. With our character not knowing it would explode, i have to assume my tadpol is bad so why would i listen lol. Rp game gotta rp.
I already got the option to use the other tadpoles long before I even finished the goblin camp. After about the 8th time just dominating the gonlin minds the dialofue switched to something else entirely, the tadpole itseld hinting that it would change 'soon', which is the long rest the 'guardian' granted me the ability to absorbb them. I have yet to use any of the ones I found, and I have...12? 13? or thereabouts just sitting in jars right now.@@p1ngerss
@CEDROU95 There is a check you can succeed that your character finds out the chair is designed to drain the consciousness of the "patient" and then kill them. It was never meant to heal, that was a lie fed to the githyanki.
im not completely sure but Lae'zel might attack you if you demand to go first if your approval is not high enough. And you can still get the awakened passive even if she goes first but at the cost of permanent debuffs for Lae'zel.
In my playthrough, I was surprised because she supported me to go first. She talked to me in a soft voice and she was very nice about it . I think i can't play without Lae'zel now
It also gives you a heal power buff, that when someone is taken to zero, they are instead healed rather than downed. I had that power after doing this, and I have yet to use a tadpole to unlock the skill tree.
According to wiki, it's from "Succeed on 3 Illithid Wisdom Skill Checks, then rest until you receive a dream cutscene." So I guess depending on when you do your illithid wisdom checks, depends on when you get the power for survival instinct.@@AlmostMeantToBe
I had to check after seeing this, sure enough the debuffs are there. But RP > Min/Max. She still been a beast with her battlemaster manuevers. And her story arc has been so cool. She's definitely the most interesting character in the group.
I thought Lae'zel had the best story at first because I visited the Githyanki Creche before venturing into the Shadow-Cursed Lands. But once and visited the Gauntlet of Shar... Shadowheart is now certified best girl. Big tiddy goth GF I always wanted lol
@@xrhin0x895 Yeah I don't know which character growth moment I liked best. Laezel having to admit she was lied to her whole life, or Shadowheart realizing she was lied to since early childhood. And both sequences had unforgettable cinematic moments, the Nightsong rising up as an aasimar, or the entire Lethander monastery blowing up because I took the Blood of Lethander loool.
Is it possible (no matter how unlikely) to pass every check for Laezal and also get the Awakened trait for her, or is the Awakened trait exclusive to your character?
Whoever passes the three checks gets the Awakened condition. And whoever fails one or all three checks gets one or all three debuffs. I personally managed to go in the Zaith'isk first with the approval of Lae'zel (it's possible if your relationship with her ain't too bad) and get the buff for my main character
Not sure if you checked the DCs for this once she sits on the chair but they're practically impossible unless you're save scumming and even then you'd be save scumming till you roll a 20.
I was a bard with expertise, the friends cantrip, the lucky feat, Voice of the Circle, & the guidance cantrip. Unless I roll back-to-back natural 1s on advantaged rolls twice, I can pretty much smash any Charisma check lmaoo
I let lae'zel sit in the chair first, and ultimately helped break her out from the outside. My PC got the bonus action Awakened feature, but I don't know if lae'zel got any debuffs. I'll have to check when I get home.
@@shallchairsitfallenAYYYY same, Karlach is a way better companion. Laezel annoyed the ever living shit outta me, so I ended up killing her super early and haven't revived her. She's just laying dead in my camp lol.
Passing the skill checks prevents the debuffs and in the event you fail they can be "cured" by consuming tadpoles - it's not a terribly high check to convince Lae'zel they're safe to eat.
I'm kind of conflicted about watching these kinds videos, because part of me wants to know the best options but another part of me feels like i'm allowing these videos to steer my path in the game too much, rather than going in blind and making my own choices with all the consequences. Anyone else feel like that sometimes or am i just weird
Eh, watch them for your second playthrough if you want the perfect playthrough. I'd stay away until you've atleast reached Act 3 for alot of these types of videos (even my own)
i feel you, but go in blind and watch them afterwards after your decision and honestly if shit goes really hard down a path you don't like, just reload its your save game and if you feel its right, its right that way you have the "blind" playthrough feeling but still have control over what's happening
nah, I feel the same, but what MrHulthen said, I would optimize the shit out of my 3rd run (2nd is Dark Urge), and thus not only this type of videos would help, I would search actively for guides or whatever (respec all the companions to optimal class with their background/race combo, etc), even tho I feel pretty confident on min-maxing and RP-ing around this kind of stuff (like I know that if this game says that it would require a needle in your eye I would know better), but in here I genuinely thought the outcome would be that Lae'zel is cleansed (and only she could be as Githyanki, if any other - something happens, that why I didn't go myself) and she makes her campaign goal to help the party to get rid of their tadpoles
Damn, I wish I would've known about the buff from going in yourself first. I just entered Act III so my last save from the creche was a longggg time ago
It honestly would’ve been awesome if that device actually worked, allowing you to go through the rest of the game uncorrupted with no brain worm powers for the whole party. No longer dreading the possibility of turning into a squid man would make sleeping a hell of a lot more enjoyable, maybe even boost everyone’s morale and fight better, lol.
Problem is the tadpoles are a pretty essential story mechanic. They're the only thing that allows the player to basically roam free on enemy turf like Moonrise, because none of the Absolutists have cottoned on that anyone infected can even resist. It would basically force Act 2 to be nothing but an all-out assault on Moonrise and lock evil players out. The tadpoles are one of the huge reasons for the breadth of options presented to the player, and why it would be kind of hard to imagine a BG4 getting on as well without some serious creativity. I'm sure you could do it, but it would take some doing...
I mean Lae'zel is still hitting like a truck with the debuff in my game and I don't think, it makes sense from a story perspective to deny her to go first, especially as a good character, so I guess, I just let her do that mostly. I didn't use the tadpole powers in my current (first playthrough)
If you impose your will to go first with the right dialogue, she might actually approve and even support you. This way she doesn't go into the zaith'isk, avoids the debuff, your main character has a chance to gain the "awakened" buff and the story still makes perfect sense
After doing all the dialogue with the githyankis (besides this cuz I somehow overlooked this room in the beginning), and then killing everyone, I then found this room after all of them were dead. It still lets you use the machine, and it just gives you the option for yourself or Laezel to go first.
You can go into the Zhath'isk first and Lae'zel will approve. At least she did with me, she said something along the lines of "I respect you, you can go first". Best of both worlds
After I saw that I couldn't succeed on Lae'zel's rolls (she lost all three and lost 2 points to 3 differnt ability scores), I loaded the previous save, went to camp, removed her from the group, and went back in to do it myself. Afterwards, I put her back in the group so she could be there for the dialogues with the inquisitor and Vlaa'kith.
didn't realize the weakend debuff and just went with it. however, the fact that the mashine almost killed her, gave me a great leverage to tell her, that her god actually sucks and only wants to consume her soul. so not all bad. also -1 At and dmg is not the end of the world. the mental strats don't do that much for her anyway
Went back and looked and yep My Lae'zel has a reduced intelligence debuff. This doesn't make a ton of difference as I didn't have her as an eldritch knight build but it is interesting.
In my first playthrough I let her sit and didn’t intervene at all. Dialogue options reminded me something bad happening but I was like “well she believes it soooo much I will just respect it and not say a word”. After this she becomes permanent resident of the camp and be less usefull then scratch.
Just finished this myself minutes ago. Didn't know about Lazel's weakening, but I don't know if I want to 'Scum Save' to go back and make it right. Maybe there is some way to 'repair' her with spells? Time to play awhile, then check and see if that's possible.
If you don't care about the awakened. As a gith you can let her go 1st and the special dialogue makes her approve each time and gets no debuf, or I think no debuf, would have to go back and check
More permanent debuffs I noticed but no one else it seems is the hags potions. After you beat her there's multiple potions on a table. If you drink each individually will permanently debuff you.
Man it sometimes saddens me how much I've missed in Baldurs Gate 3 so far but then I see videos like this and am happy I made the right choice without even realizing it, at the time I was here, I saved beforehand but chose the path that would allow me to go first, not just because I wanted to "Impress" her in the game, but also because I figured that this "Purification" is vague to the actual function of the machine, I threw myself in the chair because I knew that I wasn't going to die just like that, I wasn't sure if my dream visitor was going to protect Lae'Zel so Instead, knowing she would most likely try and protect me, I put myself as the "Test Subject", I had this same kind of Success with Shadowhearts Shar Trials and I'm super glad I can have genuine "rare" moments in games for myself, even when it feels like I'm so average I'm actually below average.
What happens if you convince her to get out of the zaith’isk before it explodes? I managed to figure out the true purpose of the machine, then passed the check in getting her out before it tries to kill her.
Even if you let Lae'zel nominate herself to test out the device first, you can still get that Awakened buff if you passed all the rolls in the end. I think theres an option to absorb the power from it.
Thanks for the warning. I have not yet reached that point in the game but knowing how to avoid those permanent debuffs is well worth the relatively tiny spoiler.
For Laezel if you say " stand back. I'm going first" followed by "You would still be hunting for this place without my guidance. I will be cured first" She approves of this and is impressed. (dont know if this is approval dependant) my approval going in with her was Very High.
FML I JUST finished killing everyone in the crèche (literally surviving by a sliver in almost every fight). And JUST NOW I see this video. I knew I wasn’t crazy for thinking Laezel had more health before.
I just did this part and did exactly what you did and than your vid came up in recommendations. It seems trusting my instincts paid off ciz I went first and succeeded in all my rolls, but didn't know about the buff bonus so thanks.
One thing: my Lae'zel tried the machine and got some of the debuff, annoying but they weren't her most important stats, but if you want you can absorb the power of the machine through her but it's much more difficult: a 30 Arcana check... which i got it with advantage and all the inspiration in the world to get the nat 20 I needed just on the last dice XD epic moment
LoL, thank you , what an strange incidence I just passed this point in the game - just a few minutes later - and I did not even realize this. Thank you that you saved my gameplay because without you I would not know - and now I am able to go back to my safe of just a few minutes earlier.
She wouldn't say please when I found her in that cage so I just left her. When we got to the flatfaces near the Mountain Pass she ran in, and fumbled the conversation and started the fight already dead.
Let me give you a tip...break the door to this room ... when the doctor runs away you can just walk out.... also you can steal each tadpole on her table without getting in trouble ....... now that I've seen all I can here I just rob them blind ....take the gith egg...and blow the place up permanently
Huh, crap I didn't notice. My barbarian had no shot in passing the checks and since he's also a githyanki I just leaned into it and encouraged her to recite the prayers to Vlaakith.
I just cleared the entire creche, getting the legendary artifact at the end and killing everyone in sight... And now i see this and surely enough ill have to go back
Huh. I don't think she received any debuffs in my playthrough. I just had my ridiculously high charisma character + Shadowheart's guidance (as well as some shameful save scumming) to persuade her out of the chair. I thought she might be perma debuffed after watching this video, so I checked and nothing. I guess just have a bard/noble with high persuasion in your party?
Need a hand so I didn’t get laezel at the crash after the the nautiloid she pressed the button and wasn’t on the beach so I thought she was dead and now she’s at the bridge all hostile at the mountain pass at level 5 she’s 12 health I wanna know if I can get her back before I do the bridge with the dragon scene
I am well past that and I failed every attempt to get her to fight it because it was killing her. I checked her because I didn't know this, but she's fine. She has no debuffs. Maybe they were just temporary and I never noticed, I don't know....but she's fine now.
And here I was thinking you'd be advising against bringing Lae'zel to the Gith-patrol fight. I was stupid enough to do this not once, but twice ... and it never ended well for my party... :D
Lae‘Zel makes a great eldritch knight, so let her stay in the zaithisk to farm approval, make her eat a tadpole, itcremoves the debuffs, then use the powers that she unlocks
Dumb fun thing that will be patched. When the doctor books it and locks the danger door, it isn't a warp restricted area. You can warp to githyanki creche rune circle and speak to the kith'rak nonhostilely.
Not gonna lie, despite these weaknesses, Lae'zel was still my strongest companion in my party. In a single turn she was able to dish out 200+ damage while also stunning the entity in the process so even If she was debuffed permanantly, I still saw her as a force of nature.
@@nenzonenzo These debuffs can still be overcome. For intellegence is the headband that gives you a 17 for intellegence, for constitution do either the feat tough or the dwarvenplate armor increasing your consistution and nullifying it completely, and wisdom isnt that big of an impact on her If the target is dead in 1 round. Yes, these stat debuffs are a big thing early on but late game Lae'zel was still an absolute fucking unit on the battlefield.
@@nenzonenzo only -2 in con is a bit of a pain cause that's 12 hp lost but dex and str are unchanged, nothing lost, just a -1 on int/wis saving throw, La'zael still working at max efficiency
My friend and I have been playing BG3 for the past two weeks as I was visiting… We convinced her to get off the chair and she never received the debuffs.
I didn't notice the debuff until a few hours later, had to replay a nights worth of gaming. I just got out of the chair, didn't know you could get a buff. Doesn't matter anyway for this character, I don't eat the worms.
"You're hurting! Let me help."
*Gigantic explosion*
That's why I love my Guardian so much: "Let me help!" *things explode* He's just like me. 😂
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Come back later to let us know if you still love him.....
@@ivirana0 I do. I think he's one of the most interesting characters in the game.
@@ivirana0enough to romance her....
@@Effaly_ have you read the notes on his little table yet? I like my red flags like any other, heck I live for troubled and dramatic love interests BUT he/she/they are on a whole new level...
It's cheating technically but if you're trying to keep a good reputation with Lae'zel while also avoiding the terrible debuffs, there is a way to do it. Let Lae'zel sit in the chair but when the first dialogue option appears, switch to a different party member and move a box or some other object around in the infirmary. The doctor will notice and warn you against stealing, which cancels the previous dialogue. Now, you can have your main character sit in the chair and play out the scene normally but without upsetting Lae'zel. Win-win!
You sir, are a damned treasure. I award you all the points and I celebrate your life.
I gave the middle option, something like "You'd be dead without me. I've earned the right- I'm going first."
She responded something like "You walk the line of confidence and arrogance... and you walk it skillfully. Very well, you will go first. I will go after."
I also had pretty high approval already with her though.
@@JB-xl2jc So no approval hit? Hmm.
@@TheCrimsonRevenger Actually I got positive approval! Lae'zel seems to appreciate people who stand up for themselves as long as they're reliably able to back it up and aren't just full of bluster.
If you stop her when you get the first option she doesnt suffer from debuff.
Laezel can actually do this event just fine. You can convince her to hold strong and she uses her prayer to get through the event and doesnt have debuffs. (Side note: I was also githyanki so I had special dialogue options) Allowing her to do this helps convince her Vlaakith is no ally. She stays blind to it at first but later revelations go much smoother.
I am pretty sure this is also the route i went through as a half-elf companion of hers, i just care about bae zel too much to let her suffer :(
Nevermind, i actually just checked it and she only has the intelligence debuff, so i guess the debuffs depend on how far you go with it ? Oh well, i don't know every possible option but convincing her that vlaakith is an enemy wasn't too hard for me, even as someone who doesn't have any charisma, this game has so much depth to it.
@@Lunamana you can always use disguise spell to get access to gith dialog options
I let Laezel go first and used my tadpole power to sense her mind and got the prayer option (I am a wood elf) my Lae zel got out without any damage.
For me she only had the -2 intelligence debuff. Shouldn't affect her too much seeing as she is not a caster for me.
Agreed @@zackfair6791.
Int penalty had no impact at all on the game. She's in my party for her killing ability and overall badass attitude - not her smarts!
If you let Lae’Zel Go first, succeed your throws, and use succeed the illithid throw. You get the awakened mind w/o gaining debuffs on Lae’Zel
ANYONE SEARCHING READ THIS IGNORE THE VIDEO !!!!!!!
@@mastercc4509they are both useful ideas. Wouldn't ignore the video.
why would you gimp Laezel when you can get the buff without damaging her?@@1-800-nonya
I did this, i got the debuffs on laezel, but i was able to get rid of them. Trouble is i don't remember how. Either a restoration spell or remove curse.
Does this still work? I only got one check and Lae’zel got off. She didn’t have a debuff and I didn’t have a buff
One of the most hurtful decisions in the game. The fact that most of us didnt know until hours later hurts the most.
I'm solidly into act three, and just finding out about it. 😭
I knew the massive approval burst with letting Lae'zel used the machine was too good to be true xD
Just let her use it then immediately convince her to leave the machine
@@clownworld4655but then you wouldn't get the buff, right?
@@Swifeaf yup. Either you use the machine and pass all the checks to get the buff (which i didn’t know about at the time) or have her use it then immediately bail out for a huge approval boost from her
@@clownworld4655 I see. Well, I imagine there would be plenty of other ways to increase her approval, so I think I know what I'm picking 😈
@@clownworld4655 Easier said than done, its a DC 30 check to convince her to leave. At level 5 with 18 Charisma and expertise in Persuasion and I still need a natural 20 to pass that one.
Side note, you can get the debuffs removed by casting greater restoration. So shadowheart has you covered by level 9.
did not work for me
doesn't work
Lying for fun, are we?
@@neverknowsbest1717 I was not, no. I checked my saves after the first comment reply saying it didnt work. Definitely worked. Also definitely did not work on my latest/current playthrough. I'll post some screenies for you.
@@thcwub3387 lmao its not that serious
A couple small corrections:
1) The Creche is still in Act 1, not 2. Act 2 begins with your arrival in the Shadowcursed Lands.*
2) It's not "the one and only Zai'thisk" - it's heavily implied that there are many, possibly even one in every Creche.
*Edit: It seems a lot of people get confused by the "You're about to progress your adventure...." warning when you go to enter the Mountain Pass. That's a trigger point that can cause the druid grove plot to advance, but it is NOT the act-change. if each of those warnings meant a change in acts, the game would have 4 acts, and 2 would be JUST the Mountain Pass (and entirely skippable).
Larian themselves made it clear when the acts change, because there's an achievement for each - and the "Enter Act 2" achievement pops when you enter the Shadow-cursed Lands.
No it's in act 2 the instant you pass the mountain pass in game you trigger act 2 and their is only one Zai'thisk in the game because you only visit one Creche
@@UNDEADaaron nope, as soon as you enter the shadowlands that is act 2
@@UNDEADaaronact 1 still yup
your comment needs more likes, i was confused when they said act 2. Need people to see that theyre safe from act 2 spoilers
No, when you select to enter the Mountain Pass they tell you to make sure to tie up loose ends because some content act 1 will be gone. That means you are going from one act to the other.
I noticed this game takes from Planescape Torment: if you have an option to permanently mutilate your body, always take it. Tav gets buffs from a brand like Nameless One tattoos, losing your eye is bonus exactly like there, and eating tadpoles is like consuming your own organs in PST.
In my current playthrough of just an OC Gith'Yanki and Lae'Zel alone on the journey with no other companions, this section was very different narratively. I also learned that if you go into turn based combat and kill/knock out the doctor before she escapes the room, the rest of the fortress will not be alerted to you and not be hostile, letting you go to the Inquisitor and have a 2 on 1 chat with Vlaakith as a loyal follower.
The rest of the crèche doesn't get alerted anyway. Only the infirmary outside the zaith'isk chamber turns hostile...
When I went to the cresh, I went room by room and murdered everyone. Didn't even bother talking to anyone. Murder all the way.
@@Hirotoro4692 When I got out I told the doctor the tadpole died, but failed the roll. She locked the door & came back with guards -saying my deception is proof I'm falling sway to the Ghaik. When I suceeded that check, she just let me leave fine. I did still have one more fight between that & the inquisitor, though.
@@Zambedosyeah but what I'm saying is it only makes a few enemies turn hostile in the room outside the door. It doesn't turn the entire crèche hostile. The only way to do that is to go to the stuff with vlaakith and wwargaz
note:
I actually sent in Lae'zel alone, with my character being detached. The whole thing went by fast, and now that I check she has all 3 of these
However. the tooltip says much more than shown. All 3 of them have an extra sentence:
"The Githianki device failed to to harm your illithid parasite - perhaps consuming more would mend your broken mind"
in that one, I did convince her to be open to upgrading the illithid powers, but haven't done so yet. Guess it ain't permament if one plays it right
I’m surprised I had to scroll down so low for this. I’m guessing people don’t read the debuff’s tooltips?
Well, I will have to do this for my Embrace the Power Durge run. But being a Pally this run, the PC has the front line covered. I actually threw Lae'zal and Karlach a couple levels of rogue so they could deal with traps and locks, since I may have disposed of someone early in Act1.
My PC is also a pally. Funfact warl9ck pact of the blade give you CHA stat BONUS. Meaning it count your STR and ADD your CHA. I stead of using the CHA like in the table top. So i am doing a Pal/warlock.
Astarion is thief/ranger.
Laezel is battlemaster
Shadowheart is life cleric/spore druid for that necromancer/dark side cleric roleplay.
So far i am having a blast!
I made my Karlach a 3eldricht knight/3 berzerker/3 rogue, i get to throw with the bonus action...its pretty buated. And fun.
I made her lile a Thor...but with Fire instead. Throwing that fire handaxe for now. With the ring and tavern brawler. Its amazing! Gave her medium armor and a shield.
I wasnt expecting me to do that...
You don't need levels in rogue to dispose of traps, you just need decent DEX and the gloves of thievery you can buy from the zhentarim. That's all.
What would any sane human being play the same game all over again? Weird.
@@ejkalegal3145 Because its fun to see what a different character, with sifferent answers would be. Thats the whole point of these games.
This one was the most upsetting one in the entire game, especially because i only saw it at the end of act2 when i tried to respec her into a strength monk where all 3 stats are the most important.
Yeah its shit design
I did, but failed a saving throw and her INT went down. I just re-specc'ed her into a monk and pumped her WIS and STR up and gave her the 18 Dex gloves. She now fights WAY better
Nice plan B.
I build her battlemaster/berzerker with tavern brawler and great weapon fighter. With the throw ring.
She basically jump everywhere on the battlefield and can throw all the magic weapon i cant use because of my group composition: lance, spear and axes.
Having her throw a great axe to a goblin is higly satisfactory.
Another plan B save game till you get the saving throws right
@@geralddavis5628 Save scumming is lame. You moght want to do it in your first run. But i still prefer to roll with what happens. A lot more fun. Otherwise whats the point of even rolling??
@@celuiquipeut6527 um all games have save points in order to restart with better gear, choices and equipment. why would anyone want negative stats or end the game early on bad choices? If you prefer to play it out, by all means, that is your choice but saves are there for a reason
You can convince Lae'Zel to use the tadpoles, and when she uses one she removes the debufs. A note was added in patch 1.0 that said "You can now cure the zaith'isk debuffs with tadpoles"
I just confirmed this myself. It only takes one to remove all 3, favorable beginnings is really good for her.
Was looking for this, as this is what I did during my playthrough.
Ah, I am well past this and I failed every dice roll. This video made me panic but I checked and she has no debuffs. This explains why. She has accepted the tadpoles.
I realized several hours into the game that I had crippled lae'zel. Sice the dc's were 30 (practically impossible) I thought the game intended me to fail and continue. They never notify the player the permanent damage you're making and they don't let you heal lae'zel with a high level spell ehich kinda breaks table top rules.
Same thing happened to me, I'm in act3 and just noticed now. I was angry for about 30 seconds, then I realized that all of my characters are insanely overpowered right now and I haven't even come close to actually losing a fight in around the last 30 hours so it doesn't matter much.
yeah I noticed after completing the whole area, she had all -2 to 3 stats lol But I just used for this area so it doesn't matter and replaced her back with Karlach again. Think if you roll a nat 20 you can get it done even if you don't have 30 points the normal way. So a lot of reloading lol
@@Kuroganemk2 exactrly what we did. used that useless rude idiot to get Awakened for ourselves and swapped her back for big hot momma. That debuff will teach her humility
Convice her to use a tadpole, you can even keep trying until you convice her > stats restored@@Kuroganemk2
No, I passed all the checks and still got the debuffs on her.
Just use a worm to remove the debuff, there's 3 in her office for a reason
the awakened buff is actually pretty good if you wish to use the powers.
I’m pretty sure if you keep doing that you’ll turn into a mindflayer boss. Good luck tho
@@303ThatoneguyI got all of the powers, and didn’t turn into a mind flayer.
They hint at bad consequences but in my experience rarely follow through on the subtle ones. See also the Thayan book.
@@GZilla311 aww dammit I was saving that for a playthrough but I guess I’m just barely disappointed at hearing that
@@303Thatoneguy you dont become illithid unless you choose to. You can become, half-ilithid if u fail a dice roll later, resulting in ... well, black eyes with fucked up black/purple vines which totally fuck up your looks. Or u can choose to become half illithid.
Being able to fly on demand is quite overpowered
@@Vormenttrue. I fly everywhere and it does feel op
I took a long rest without realizing Lae’zel had left the party to approach and talk to the Githyanki group by herself. When we left camp she was dead at their feet. Sneaking my character said in a whisper “killed by her own people”. Looking forward to the second play through where she stays alive LOL.
What did she say when you resurrected her?
In that way you cant resurrect her. Spell doesnt work :(
@@Scrydragon she’s dead dead. Can’t resurrect her.
You didn't want to reload?
@@AleksandrStrizhevskiy stick with your decisions in life and learn from them
You can also get the Awakened buff by encouraging her to fight through the pain (these DC's are also lower). Then it will give you an option to link with the Zathisk and destroy it. Thus giving you the Awakened buff and Laezel does not get debuffs.
Huge tip: Shapeshift into a Gith and bluff your way in. Meanwhile you can get Shapeshifter's Ring bonuses if you scam it off the Strange Ox.
Also get Bliss Spores from handing in Spaw's quest.
Ahhh that's why Mind Blast is a bonus action on my PC, but not my other party members! I didn't even know I had the awakened buff and that was confusing the heck out of me (but it's sooooo good!) xD
Yeah well Loviatar’s love was also a permanent buff but it went away after I died in the boat fight to Grymforge. Lae’Zel did too. I’ll need to check if she has that.
If Lae'zel does get the debuffs, there are three parasite samples in the room. Feed them all to Lae'zel and it cures her stats right up in addition to giving her the listed powers.
What if she refuses?
@@Fuzz82 I didn't have any trouble talking her into it, so I don't know.
one is enough
i tried giving her tadpoles before and it did not fix laezel
@@saigyl9149
Apparently it was part of a patch to the game
If you can convince Lae'zel to make use of illithid powers, giving her a parasite power also cancels the debuffs.
it's a special perk from the parasite? the debuffs are still here
I’m not ready for a parasite play through yet
I’ve been avoiding using illithid wisdom in dialogue checks. Even the 1st one. I just left shadowheart onThe nautiloid
Nah, no way my character is sitting in that machine before some else (Lae'zel) testing it first...
lmao
It's her duty anyway lol
If you let Lae'Zel enter the Zai'thisk and convince her to remain in the chair throughout, you will also get the Awakened perk. So far I have only encountered one other spot in Act 1 that will give you another buff to the Parasite, granting an Illithid power....even though I have not yet unlocked the powers tab.
use your ilithid powers in dialogue 3 times total then take a long rest
Yeah legit let her stay for like most the dialogue I dont see why id metagame and ruining her beliefs. With our character not knowing it would explode, i have to assume my tadpol is bad so why would i listen lol. Rp game gotta rp.
I already got the option to use the other tadpoles long before I even finished the goblin camp. After about the 8th time just dominating the gonlin minds the dialofue switched to something else entirely, the tadpole itseld hinting that it would change 'soon', which is the long rest the 'guardian' granted me the ability to absorbb them. I have yet to use any of the ones I found, and I have...12? 13? or thereabouts just sitting in jars right now.@@p1ngerss
@CEDROU95 There is a check you can succeed that your character finds out the chair is designed to drain the consciousness of the "patient" and then kill them. It was never meant to heal, that was a lie fed to the githyanki.
@@p1ngerssI’ve been avoiding using illithid wisdom checks In dialogue.
Wow I was literally saying to myself “why is lae’zel so bad now” nice vid man, never would have caught that
That debuff seems pretty harsh. It should be until long rest.
im not completely sure but Lae'zel might attack you if you demand to go first if your approval is not high enough. And you can still get the awakened passive even if she goes first but at the cost of permanent debuffs for Lae'zel.
she leaves if you rep was not already almost maxed and decide to not let her do it
Ah Laezel, source of my bruises. Shes my favorite companion and she LOVES my vengeance pally.
In my playthrough, I was surprised because she supported me to go first. She talked to me in a soft voice and she was very nice about it . I think i can't play without Lae'zel now
probably you have a better relationship with her :D
It also gives you a heal power buff, that when someone is taken to zero, they are instead healed rather than downed. I had that power after doing this, and I have yet to use a tadpole to unlock the skill tree.
Thats from the mind flayer in the under dark, if u drank his potion you gain that.
According to wiki, it's from "Succeed on 3 Illithid Wisdom Skill Checks, then rest until you receive a dream cutscene." So I guess depending on when you do your illithid wisdom checks, depends on when you get the power for survival instinct.@@AlmostMeantToBe
That’s the power omellum gives you bro.
I had to check after seeing this, sure enough the debuffs are there. But RP > Min/Max. She still been a beast with her battlemaster manuevers. And her story arc has been so cool. She's definitely the most interesting character in the group.
Yep! I agree 100%.
Totally agree!
Lae'zel is my queen. I will fight at her side to the very ends of the realms!
I thought Lae'zel had the best story at first because I visited the Githyanki Creche before venturing into the Shadow-Cursed Lands. But once and visited the Gauntlet of Shar... Shadowheart is now certified best girl. Big tiddy goth GF I always wanted lol
@@xrhin0x895 Yeah I don't know which character growth moment I liked best. Laezel having to admit she was lied to her whole life, or Shadowheart realizing she was lied to since early childhood. And both sequences had unforgettable cinematic moments, the Nightsong rising up as an aasimar, or the entire Lethander monastery blowing up because I took the Blood of Lethander loool.
Is it possible (no matter how unlikely) to pass every check for Laezal and also get the Awakened trait for her, or is the Awakened trait exclusive to your character?
I tentatively believe that you would need to be playing as Lae'zel to get that effect. However I have not tested this.
Whoever passes the three checks gets the Awakened condition. And whoever fails one or all three checks gets one or all three debuffs.
I personally managed to go in the Zaith'isk first with the approval of Lae'zel (it's possible if your relationship with her ain't too bad) and get the buff for my main character
should I consume the parasites or keep away from them ??? I don't know what to do with that ... should I cure myself or keep eating them?
Not sure if you checked the DCs for this once she sits on the chair but they're practically impossible unless you're save scumming and even then you'd be save scumming till you roll a 20.
They are DC 30's, hardly impossible with some decent stats, advantage, guidance and expertise. My bard pretty much has a 75% chance to hit those.
Not everyone is playing a bard or has expertise on those checks@@bacchus8081
I literally did this tonight and rolled a nat 20 on the first check.
Guess I dodged a bullet lol
I was a bard with expertise, the friends cantrip, the lucky feat, Voice of the Circle, & the guidance cantrip. Unless I roll back-to-back natural 1s on advantaged rolls twice, I can pretty much smash any Charisma check lmaoo
If you manage all gith save throws with laezel, the device explodes, you get the illithid as bonus actions and no debuffs!
Guardian: "you're hurting, let me help"
*Causes an explosion that sends you flying a dozen feet away possibly breaking every bone in your body*
I let lae'zel sit in the chair first, and ultimately helped break her out from the outside. My PC got the bonus action Awakened feature, but I don't know if lae'zel got any debuffs. I'll have to check when I get home.
I literally just finished this quest but I did it for the story, cuz I don’t really travel with Lae’zel very much
That sucks. Shes supper awesome. And the debuff really don't hurt her that much.
Same thing I can’t stand her attitude she get replaced by karlach
@@shallchairsitfallenAYYYY same, Karlach is a way better companion. Laezel annoyed the ever living shit outta me, so I ended up killing her super early and haven't revived her. She's just laying dead in my camp lol.
Passing the skill checks prevents the debuffs and in the event you fail they can be "cured" by consuming tadpoles - it's not a terribly high check to convince Lae'zel they're safe to eat.
I'm kind of conflicted about watching these kinds videos, because part of me wants to know the best options but another part of me feels like i'm allowing these videos to steer my path in the game too much, rather than going in blind and making my own choices with all the consequences. Anyone else feel like that sometimes or am i just weird
Eh, watch them for your second playthrough if you want the perfect playthrough. I'd stay away until you've atleast reached Act 3 for alot of these types of videos (even my own)
i feel you, but go in blind and watch them afterwards after your decision
and honestly if shit goes really hard down a path you don't like, just reload
its your save game and if you feel its right, its right
that way you have the "blind" playthrough feeling but still have control over what's happening
@@MrHulthen Thanks a lot, it will still be an instant click on your other videos, especially Mass Effect ones 😁
@@chickenbob562 Thanks a lot and good point 😁 I'll try my best to stay away from them for now lol
nah, I feel the same, but what MrHulthen said, I would optimize the shit out of my 3rd run (2nd is Dark Urge), and thus not only this type of videos would help, I would search actively for guides or whatever (respec all the companions to optimal class with their background/race combo, etc), even tho I feel pretty confident on min-maxing and RP-ing around this kind of stuff (like I know that if this game says that it would require a needle in your eye I would know better), but in here I genuinely thought the outcome would be that Lae'zel is cleansed (and only she could be as Githyanki, if any other - something happens, that why I didn't go myself) and she makes her campaign goal to help the party to get rid of their tadpoles
Damn, I wish I would've known about the buff from going in yourself first. I just entered Act III so my last save from the creche was a longggg time ago
Also, don't piss off Vlaa'kith or she might end you!
It honestly would’ve been awesome if that device actually worked, allowing you to go through the rest of the game uncorrupted with no brain worm powers for the whole party. No longer dreading the possibility of turning into a squid man would make sleeping a hell of a lot more enjoyable, maybe even boost everyone’s morale and fight better, lol.
Problem is the tadpoles are a pretty essential story mechanic. They're the only thing that allows the player to basically roam free on enemy turf like Moonrise, because none of the Absolutists have cottoned on that anyone infected can even resist. It would basically force Act 2 to be nothing but an all-out assault on Moonrise and lock evil players out.
The tadpoles are one of the huge reasons for the breadth of options presented to the player, and why it would be kind of hard to imagine a BG4 getting on as well without some serious creativity.
I'm sure you could do it, but it would take some doing...
I mean Lae'zel is still hitting like a truck with the debuff in my game and I don't think, it makes sense from a story perspective to deny her to go first, especially as a good character, so I guess, I just let her do that mostly. I didn't use the tadpole powers in my current (first playthrough)
If you impose your will to go first with the right dialogue, she might actually approve and even support you. This way she doesn't go into the zaith'isk, avoids the debuff, your main character has a chance to gain the "awakened" buff and the story still makes perfect sense
@@deceiver444 She didn't get the debuff this time for me and the awakened buff doesn't help me, since I don't use the Illithid powers
@@fylimar how did you avoid the debuff ? You managed to pass all three checks with Lae'zel or did you send another character ?
@@deceiver444 you only have to pass one check. If you succeed, she will get up
After doing all the dialogue with the githyankis (besides this cuz I somehow overlooked this room in the beginning), and then killing everyone, I then found this room after all of them were dead. It still lets you use the machine, and it just gives you the option for yourself or Laezel to go first.
You can go into the Zhath'isk first and Lae'zel will approve. At least she did with me, she said something along the lines of "I respect you, you can go first". Best of both worlds
After I saw that I couldn't succeed on Lae'zel's rolls (she lost all three and lost 2 points to 3 differnt ability scores), I loaded the previous save, went to camp, removed her from the group, and went back in to do it myself. Afterwards, I put her back in the group so she could be there for the dialogues with the inquisitor and Vlaa'kith.
didn't realize the weakend debuff and just went with it. however, the fact that the mashine almost killed her, gave me a great leverage to tell her, that her god actually sucks and only wants to consume her soul. so not all bad. also -1 At and dmg is not the end of the world. the mental strats don't do that much for her anyway
Went back and looked and yep My Lae'zel has a reduced intelligence debuff. This doesn't make a ton of difference as I didn't have her as an eldritch knight build but it is interesting.
In my first playthrough I let her sit and didn’t intervene at all. Dialogue options reminded me something bad happening but I was like “well she believes it soooo much I will just respect it and not say a word”. After this she becomes permanent resident of the camp and be less usefull then scratch.
Just finished this myself minutes ago.
Didn't know about Lazel's weakening, but I don't know if I want to 'Scum Save' to go back and make it right.
Maybe there is some way to 'repair' her with spells?
Time to play awhile, then check and see if that's possible.
If you don't care about the awakened. As a gith you can let her go 1st and the special dialogue makes her approve each time and gets no debuf, or I think no debuf, would have to go back and check
More permanent debuffs I noticed but no one else it seems is the hags potions. After you beat her there's multiple potions on a table. If you drink each individually will permanently debuff you.
Not all of them. Some are until long rest, some are indefinite and can be cured with spells
Man it sometimes saddens me how much I've missed in Baldurs Gate 3 so far but then I see videos like this and am happy I made the right choice without even realizing it, at the time I was here, I saved beforehand but chose the path that would allow me to go first, not just because I wanted to "Impress" her in the game, but also because I figured that this "Purification" is vague to the actual function of the machine, I threw myself in the chair because I knew that I wasn't going to die just like that, I wasn't sure if my dream visitor was going to protect Lae'Zel so Instead, knowing she would most likely try and protect me, I put myself as the "Test Subject", I had this same kind of Success with Shadowhearts Shar Trials and I'm super glad I can have genuine "rare" moments in games for myself, even when it feels like I'm so average I'm actually below average.
You knew you weren't going to die "just like that"? My guy, this game will kill your main character without hesitation.
@@ArthurLivesOn Wrong. You can easily get your characters to the end without death. Just gotta play smart.
@@hailothgaming Not what I was saying, but that's nice. I agree.
@@hailothgamingit's more the "your character doesn't get 100% plot armor" there are still bad end choices.
@@rabbitknight87 I know.
I didn't even notice the debuffs until act 3 :(
What happens if you convince her to get out of the zaith’isk before it explodes? I managed to figure out the true purpose of the machine, then passed the check in getting her out before it tries to kill her.
Even if you let Lae'zel nominate herself to test out the device first, you can still get that Awakened buff if you passed all the rolls in the end. I think theres an option to absorb the power from it.
yeah i did but she gets maximum debuff.
Thanks for the warning. I have not yet reached that point in the game but knowing how to avoid those permanent debuffs is well worth the relatively tiny spoiler.
For Laezel if you say " stand back. I'm going first" followed by "You would still be hunting for this place without my guidance. I will be cured first" She approves of this and is impressed. (dont know if this is approval dependant) my approval going in with her was Very High.
Good work dude, I just watched 3 creche walkthroughs and NOT one of them touched this aspect.
I let her use it but got a nat 20 on the first persuasion so she doesn't have any weaknesses
crazy that if you go through the underdark you miss this completely. This game is huge.
man i missed out on so much by killing lezazel with the tieflings this game got so many choices and cutscenes its actully nuts
I'll one up you on this even: make sure you are using non-lethal damage in many fights to save controlled people.
Based.
@@delphidelion i will do that thanks
@@delphidelion Non lethal does nothing currently. 90% of the time knocked out characters will still be considered dead.
@@nitogame try to do this to a merchant after he caught you stealing, and see for yourself if he die or the next day is there asking for compesation
I just couldnt find the chair and just convinced lazeal to ignore it.
FML
I JUST finished killing everyone in the crèche (literally surviving by a sliver in almost every fight). And JUST NOW I see this video.
I knew I wasn’t crazy for thinking Laezel had more health before.
Is this before or after killing all of the githyanki in there and jumping into the astral prism after telling vlaakith to fuck off? Lmao
I just did this part and did exactly what you did and than your vid came up in recommendations. It seems trusting my instincts paid off ciz I went first and succeeded in all my rolls, but didn't know about the buff bonus so thanks.
One thing: my Lae'zel tried the machine and got some of the debuff, annoying but they weren't her most important stats, but if you want you can absorb the power of the machine through her but it's much more difficult: a 30 Arcana check... which i got it with advantage and all the inspiration in the world to get the nat 20 I needed just on the last dice XD epic moment
LoL, thank you , what an strange incidence I just passed this point in the game - just a few minutes later - and I did not even realize this. Thank you that you saved my gameplay because without you I would not know - and now I am able to go back to my safe of just a few minutes earlier.
No wonder after lae zel survives the machine she gets hammered by the doc and her goons
Proof that ability improvement feat is a noob trap, I never noticed it until act 3 when she’s rocking in legendary githyanki gear😂
She wouldn't say please when I found her in that cage so I just left her. When we got to the flatfaces near the Mountain Pass she ran in, and fumbled the conversation and started the fight already dead.
Oh shit. Didn’t know you got it from jumping in yourself. I got awakened by having lae’zel go in and then passing a check to absorb the power
Let me give you a tip...break the door to this room ... when the doctor runs away you can just walk out.... also you can steal each tadpole on her table without getting in trouble ....... now that I've seen all I can here I just rob them blind ....take the gith egg...and blow the place up permanently
You can also remove the debuff by eating a tadpole. 2 tadpoles completely removes the debuffs.
Huh, crap I didn't notice. My barbarian had no shot in passing the checks and since he's also a githyanki I just leaned into it and encouraged her to recite the prayers to Vlaakith.
I just cleared the entire creche, getting the legendary artifact at the end and killing everyone in sight... And now i see this and surely enough ill have to go back
Note, if you succeed the DC 30 Arcana check (you likely need a nat 20) you get the Bonus Action power and she gets none of the Debuffs
I still got her debuffs tho, only wisdom and intelligence tho
@@alexcavazos3341same so trying different choices to see if there's a path with no debufs & buff for main character
"Dont let your character do this in this choice-driven game."
Huh. I don't think she received any debuffs in my playthrough. I just had my ridiculously high charisma character + Shadowheart's guidance (as well as some shameful save scumming) to persuade her out of the chair. I thought she might be perma debuffed after watching this video, so I checked and nothing. I guess just have a bard/noble with high persuasion in your party?
I'm guessing the BG universe hasn't discovered anti-parasiticals.
Lol
Need a hand so I didn’t get laezel at the crash after the the nautiloid she pressed the button and wasn’t on the beach so I thought she was dead and now she’s at the bridge all hostile at the mountain pass at level 5 she’s 12 health I wanna know if I can get her back before I do the bridge with the dragon scene
Omg ty!!! Ty! Just arrived. And of ourse my githraki friend was frying her brain first... not no more.
I am well past that and I failed every attempt to get her to fight it because it was killing her. I checked her because I didn't know this, but she's fine. She has no debuffs. Maybe they were just temporary and I never noticed, I don't know....but she's fine now.
Lae'zel will actually Approve if you Order her to let you go first, saying she would be dead if it wasn't for you.
And here I was thinking you'd be advising against bringing Lae'zel to the Gith-patrol fight. I was stupid enough to do this not once, but twice ... and it never ended well for my party... :D
I am soon moving to do just this quest so am glad i checked this ty
Debuffs are a fair price to pay for not feeling like I'm stabbing Lae'zel in the back.
Laezel just got -2 intelligence in my attempt. I think it suits her well. 🤣
Hey! Don't insult my girl like that.
Lae‘Zel makes a great eldritch knight, so let her stay in the zaithisk to farm approval, make her eat a tadpole, itcremoves the debuffs, then use the powers that she unlocks
I removed the debuffs after I noticed them. I can't remember if i used a remove curse or a restoration spell.
Dumb fun thing that will be patched. When the doctor books it and locks the danger door, it isn't a warp restricted area. You can warp to githyanki creche rune circle and speak to the kith'rak nonhostilely.
Not gonna lie, despite these weaknesses, Lae'zel was still my strongest companion in my party. In a single turn she was able to dish out 200+ damage while also stunning the entity in the process so even If she was debuffed permanantly, I still saw her as a force of nature.
ye my shadowheart murdered her in her sleep i didnt really get the chance to use her
That's when you savescum until you pass the check to stop them@@Da5kone001
Your building everything wrong then? There’s no chance in hell a character can compete with these this -6 to stats if you know what your doing.
@@nenzonenzo These debuffs can still be overcome. For intellegence is the headband that gives you a 17 for intellegence, for constitution do either the feat tough or the dwarvenplate armor increasing your consistution and nullifying it completely, and wisdom isnt that big of an impact on her If the target is dead in 1 round. Yes, these stat debuffs are a big thing early on but late game Lae'zel was still an absolute fucking unit on the battlefield.
@@nenzonenzo only -2 in con is a bit of a pain cause that's 12 hp lost but dex and str are unchanged, nothing lost, just a -1 on int/wis saving throw, La'zael still working at max efficiency
This is good to know. I just killed lady Esther after being caught pickpocketing her. On my way to the camp now.
So just to clarify -
Lae'zel using the machine doesnt give her debuffs, unless you fail the rolls?
Yes, but each check is DC 30 so you will probably fail unless you save scum
My friend and I have been playing BG3 for the past two weeks as I was visiting… We convinced her to get off the chair and she never received the debuffs.
I didn't notice the debuff until a few hours later, had to replay a nights worth of gaming. I just got out of the chair, didn't know you could get a buff. Doesn't matter anyway for this character, I don't eat the worms.
did you know you can save right after each time ,, if you win good if you lose restart ,,, LMAO