I’m happy with my purchase I’ve just got one of these bikes after watching your video and I’m happy too tell you that they must have listened too your videos as it’s now supplied with a uk plug with the charger not an two prong adapter
@@e-VRC the plug we have is the best I’ll agree with you on that and I’ve been charging it all day haven’t managed too ride it too far but tomorrow I’m going got a nice long ride
@@dylvasey I use it on setting five and I get around 25 too 30 miles out of both battery’s if I used it on peddle assistance and level one it will probably triple but I haven’t tried that yet
What I do is paddle at 25 kmh at busy roads. Cops look but let me ride as I keep to the speed limit. Also the reason I dont wear a helmet is to make them think its locked at that speed. About your camera setup I like the bodycam the best. But the stick cam in selfie mode from a low angle looks really cool aswell :D
Yeah bodycam is always cool. Better quality too at least for my cameras. That's a good idea. I think if you're seen going slow then it's obviously not a motorbike so you'd get left alone.
@@tekurva7901 depends on the motor. 250W will give you around 25kmh. I myself got an Engwe Engine Pro with a 750W motor. On the display it says its doing 45kmh. But after some testing its more around 42kmh.
I saw this yesterday. Love Dual batteries, Dual suspension, Dual headlights, Mags, Battery Blender and 750W motor! Down side: no rack and short frame. 1000W peak/54Vmax =18.5A controller... Good for range but a lil low on pwr... I wonder if a $330 20AH triangle battery would fit in there? 33AH is better than 26AH, and would look less like a motorcycle.
I think if I bought this bike first would be change back motor to 1000wat get a more amp controller and up grade battery then you have a good bike. Yes it's going to cost a bit more always sell controller that came with bike and the two batteries to get some money back. And these bikes have a speed limit on so cut a wire or two simple
Yeah@@colinwhite144, That'd be nice for sure. 30A controller/display minimum and may have to upgrade the battery blender as well. Another way for speed is run 52V batteries on a 1000W 48V hub, ie, 1740W peak! Not a wheeling SurRon but maybe 40+mph...? Heck, I'd upgrade the motor last and just smoke the 750W for all it;s worth while saving coins
@@greenbunnyinabongo7299 Hahaha, Problem is range... Cars can carry a ton of batteries but ebikes get too heavy FAST! Some guy modified a Grom and made an edrag bike. but very short range...
It seems that the only law in New York City that limits the speed for electric bikes is the law of the sound barrier. I don't see anybody complaining about the speed. It's dangerous for us HPV'ers - especially on the Williamsburg Bridge.
Just got mine in the other day, so far I absolutely love it. I was a little worried that you had gotten an "Influencer" version and I was going to get the "Sucker" version with missing parts and half-functional components, but nope, pretty much on a par with what you received. I still haven't put the headlights on yet as I don't really do any night driving (and it's still too cold even if I did), so I focused on the important stuff like a phone holder and a bluetooth speaker for music :). Took it out on it's maiden voyage yesterday and had a blast. I'm 60 years old and not interested in setting speed records, so this thing is more than fast enough for me. I have hills all over the place where I live, and while it doesn't chew up hills like my Nanrobot scooter does, it does just fine when I engage the 2nd motor (my legs lol). The only drawback is the 2nd batteries were out of stock when it shipped, so I'll have to wait before taking it on any safari's but I understand it's shipped so should be fully gassed up soon. I honestly can't say whether I like it better than the scooter at this point. It's a completely different experience, and they both have their strong points. The M20 is definitely a smoother ride, and probably has slightly more range with both batteries (probably a lot more if I pedal). The scooter has much more raw power, and I can ride sitting or standing. Anyway thanks for the reviews on this. I'm definitely happy with the purchase and can't wait to take it on some longer rides! btw, you should reach out to Nanrobot and see if they'll send you a review unit (Maybe the D4+ 4.0, I have the 3.0). I think they're an undervalued brand and definitely could use the pub.
Thanks for the tip re: Nanrobot, I've seen their scooters and they look great. I'll reach out. Trust me I've received review units with quite a few problems. There were a few issues with the Engine Pro but luckily easily sorted. I thionk generally shipping from so far from manufacturers that make so many units there are bound to be the occasional duff ones and it's how they sort out the problems that matters. I think sometimes I get sent used/refurbed stuff (which is fine, I can't complain) but huge youtubers may get units that have been quadruple checked. Glad you love the bike anyway. Ride safe 🤘
@@DavidJashi Dude that post is 6 months old. I put them on like the next day. They're the only thing on the bike thats difficult to install, so I was waiting until my wife could help me.
Hi, just got myself one of these, love it, looks great. BUT. The top of the chain is touching the tyre when in gear 1, is this normal. All Engwe tell me is to adjust the derailleur, that is not going to work. In fact the rear wheel is not even in the centre of the frame hence too clos to the chain. Did you find this with yours?
The website shows a EU certificate. But will you be able to actually register this as a speed pedelec in EU? Does it have a EU vin engraved in the bike (vehicle identification number)? I loved my engine pro, but had to sell it because I could not get it registered at all, the certificate it came with was not valid.
Hmm. I wouldn’t really bother. There is only a handful of bikes that come with the vin numbers. And they mostly sell in the USA. And not only that you have to have the license plate. Insurance, bike license or the cbt test. Really if your going that route you may as well buy electric motor bike or just ebiking.
@@GarrattHamster Well, if want to commute, I'd like to go 45kmh. A license plate costs only about 35 EUR in Belgium, insurance is either not much or included in insurance I already have. A speed pedelec you buy in EU costs upwards of 5000 EUR. Which defeats the point imo. At a price point of 1000-2000 EUR it would be a real option. I'm afraid though that the provided certification will not be valid (again) in EU to register it as a speed pedelec. I really think there is a big market in EU for cheaper certified speed pedelecs. Wish Engwe would target that.
@@pduidesign Just got it today and finished assembly it. Only took about an hour. I’m waiting for the battery to fully charge and I’ll let you know. I’m so excited it looks amazing bro
@@keithmclaren1972 A solid 8/10 it’s fun to ride but it’s a bit heavy. I like to put my bike in my apartment and I live upstairs which would be difficult with this bike . So I ended up selling it for a lighter bike. Would still recommend 👍
I'm trying to chose between M20 and the Engine Pro Upgraded with an extra battery as I need something with a bit more range. The Engine Pro would have slightly more range at the inconvenience of having to carry the extra battery in a bag or something. What's the speed like between the bikes? Are they similar enough to be a non-issue?
Good question. Speed wise the engine is about 4-5 mph faster. If you're ok with the battery in the bag then the engine is the better spec apart from standard range. If I had to give a bike away I'd give away the engine. Not because it's worse though, just because I love the style of the m20.
Ok for river paths etc, looks like a major cop magnet if using in city centers, not really worth the risk, ive got a fiido d4s with kt controller and 48v battery, im getting 27mph full charge 24mph on low battery and two minutes in the settings and im fully legal 😊, 15.5mph, 6kph throttle max speed and 250w motor, thats the way to go.
I understand this bike can do 28mph under battery power, which means it is legally a moped and needs to be registered and insured. On an E-bike power assistance must cut out at 15.5mph, so if it's still powered at 25mph it's still illegal.
This law is so stupid You can buy a car which can run 200mph and dive it legally but you can't do same with ebike Even if you want to register the bike they make it difficult At the same time you can buy illegal product but you can't use it😊 that's logic
I don't see them lowering in the short term unless it gets superceded by an m20 pro or something. Often cheaper ebikes go up in price when they get more youtube exposure.
Love these reviews but can't quite work out the stuff about the UK restricting the throttle and having to make the bike think it's in America. Is this easy to do?
The only way you’d get caught is if you were being silly with it and going fast in front of police If you peddle when around busy places and be sensible no one will suspect it’s anything other then a basic electric bike
Worst case scenario is 6 points and a fine but as said above I think if your riding it sensibly and try to keep out of the way (not riding down the middle of the road and cutting through traffic) you should be ok.
I love the look of the bike but I am afraid of pedalling I am pretty short person. Could you tell me how tall you are considering you barely reached the pedals and you didn't like pedalling?
Hello, which one would you recommend: engwe engine pro or m20? It seems, that engine pro is more comfortable and has better break system, where as m20 has longer range if you opt out for dual batteries? Suspension is probably the same?
Hi, I have booked engwe m20 for commuting from home to job around 15miles onside, but I am not aware of the law. I am bit confused , can you please suggest a solution The bike is not delivered yet . May be it will deliver within this week.
Ride it the same as you would a pedal bike on the roads you should be absolutely fine aslomg as you're wearing a helmet. If you're using it to get to ans from work it will ne OK. It's when they see youths loitering or the bike being used to play around on in public places. You should be fine and I myself would definitely take that risk 💚 hope this helps
Just deactivate the accelerator, when the police stop you, the first thing they look at is that, I have a friend who took away his bike because that had an accelerator
Thank you for this. Just wondering what the difference with the batteries means? 2 batteries as opposed to just the one, I assume increases range and speed, right? Please forgive my ignorance but I’m completely new to e-bikes. 🙏🏼
Thats ok.... just increased range. There's 2 ways to set up batteries. In series means voltage doubles and so does power = more speed! Or in parallel so voltage remains the same but capacity doubles = more range!
Thanks very much! I was on it again yeaterday and it does feel awkward to pedal and I'm only 5'9. Fine if you just use throttle but you wouldn't want to pedal. Someone made a 3d printed seat riser which could be useful.
No adjustments on a bench seat. I reckon you could pedal ok up to around 6ft1 however it depends on if you're long legged or long bodied. If you're long bodied then you could be taller if that makes sense. You could still pedal if you were taller but you'd feel silly pedalling because of how high your knees go.
Not yet thankfully. I was riding past police the other day on the road on my eskuta sx250. Next to me on the grass a surron shoots past and they just ignored him 😂😂😬😬
@@e-VRC i really want to get one but i would be so upset if the police took it away... i wish i could afford a surron though, they are insane. are you ever going to cover the surron on your channel
Great vid - gonna buy through your affiliate link - 1 Q - does the 2 batt version give you more power, or just more range? I will not be going more than 5 miles at a time on mine
I don't think a sticker is gonna do much electric vehicles don't generally have wattage on them, it's just about riding carefully if people are around and if police are to stop you theres not much you can do apart from act like you had no idea as it's still a pedal bike
Agreed. Hubs sometimes have a number but it's not obvious what it is to someone who doesn't know about ebikes which would be you if you ever get pulled. But generally if you're going 15.5 and pedalling you'll be safe.
@@e-VRC hey can I ask you one more thing? Do you find it heavy? Can you bike 🏍️ with controle with one arm? One of my arm is weaker so it won’t be doing much lol 😂
Needs to be tad longer, and tad more height for taller riders. And the toque need to be more. And it’s a massive shame they didn’t put on the regenerative breaking on this like some of there other bikes. Missed a big selling point there. But I do give them credit for trying in design ways. Oh and throttles in the uk. Can have them but it should only go up to 3 or 4 mph. Oh and check out the Cooler King Kub. Not that looks like a motor bike
From what I've read, battery blenders don't like regen brakes. Price you pay for dual batteries... But 26AH is kickass! Now to bump the controller to 25A and at least #10 wire to the hub motor.
that's the reason why i stop thinking buying this m20 its shame engineer can't think there's tall people but i think its made in china so no wonder people are short over there
I think if you limit the speed via the computer to 16mph and maybe disable the throttle you'd get away with it, occasionally having to tell police it's an ebike that maxes at 15.5mph. But any with knowledge may rumble you. Even if you did nothing though you'd probably get less trouble than you would on an escooter.
Has anyone had any run-ins with the police about riding this bike or similar? It doesn't seem to be enforced but I just want to make sure before I buy!
Nice review! I moved to the Netherlands two years ago and got myself a super73 z1 as I wanted something fast/fun for my commute around the city. Throttles are illegal in Europe but you can buy them online. Even when I purchased mine the store had them in stock but as being in a new country I didn’t want to break the law haha. Just had contact with this company and they’re going to send me an M20 hopefully by next week 🤞🏾 really excited.
I think you could comfortably pedal but you'd notice your knees going higher than on a normal bike. Another youtuber was pedalling it fine and they were 6'4. They did feel weird though 😂
Was going to go for the ep2 pro, but now I'm leaning toward this one. Still got my scooters if I need to fold something up and throw it in the back, and this looks a lot more comfortable to ride. Might miss the back rack though.
There's a way to put a rear bag and panniers on it - There's a pic on one of the sites. Yeah I'd go with this one over thr ep2 especially with the current discounts.
@@e-VRC then i will pick the cheaper one, Sadly they no longer have the 50off discount code it was till end of march. Do you recommend me ep2 pro over the Fafrees 26? That one is cheaper but only 250w
@Sergiu Ungur i haven't tried the fafrees. The ep2 pro is great though. If comfort over long range is a consideration then the m20 has that going for it too.
If you ride and change or lubrificate the bearing and change the tire with street type you go too fast up to 52 kmh on level ground. this type of ebike is beautiful but attracts too much attention from the traffic police.
I love my electric Engwe bike, charge it with solar. There should be far more of these, clean, silent and no pollution. Just backward regulation holding it back.
It really is time to invest in a Manfrotto Super Clamp... not the newest vid with clamp problems lol They are like £20 (ehem i mean, err $30) and would probably crush half of the cheaper bike frames! I'm seriously interested in this or the L20 (which would be more suited to me!) Would really love a longer term review and a bit more hill hill climbing ability as i live in a really hilly location, in errr... The ock-aye-de-noo Rockies 😉
hi iv followed you for a while now, even when you were vr couldron, im in pendeford w-ton if i buy this bike thru your link, we you help me put it togeather, please
Hey I'm sure I could help you out. You don't have to use the affiliate link. Have a go and if you get stuck send an email and we can sort something out. I think I cover all the annoying bits in the video 👍
@e-VRC cheers mate because I've got 1000w mid-drive Mario ebike, which is 52v 21amp battery, and it's a gose about 36mph without really trying but your isn't bad mate
You have to be 14 to ride an ebike in the uk and that's a 15.5mph one. Your son would probably love it but I can't recommend it as being suitable for a 12 y/o.
I think that your over thinking the whole helmet thing, I've been riding a red rocket with a full face helmet in the winter for the past 4 years and have never had an issue. That was ridding through a city during both lock downs, and if I'm honest I was riding like an idiot taking advantage of clear roads hitting 40+mph. 5000w 150A sab controller at 72v
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
Anyone here that bought a ENGWE M20 have problems with the Display. I programed everything except the Power-On password. Rode the bike around town and it was fine. I wanted a password on it to keep the wife off of it. Scene P8 is for the password setting. Now the P8 screen won't take my PW. When you power up the displays lights up then switches to the P8 screen and won't take my PW. So in short the bike is dead. I tried to set back to factory settings (Holed Power and + buttons at the same time), nothing just P8 screen. I even unplug the control box hoping to reboot it, nothing just a P8 screen. Called the company and they said, "Send order number , where you bought and a video of the problem". Is there anyone who has the same problem. Thanks
@@e-VRC I'm in contact with ENGWE, which they are rather sloooow to respond to anything. They had me send a video of the display while I ran the Power-On pass word P8 screen. They then screen shot me the page out of the M20 manual (par 4-8 Power-On password setting) and said to try this and send another video with the results..... Nothing change still back to P8. That was a waste of time so far. Very nice bike very disappointing service AFTER THE SALE SERVICE so far............ Took them for days (over the weekend )to send a screen shot of the Power-on password instructions that got me here in the first place...... Thanks for asking e-VRC
If these were UK road legal it would be great even if you had to buy a cheap insurance policy. I have a Brompton that I would like an e-bike conversion for. How come you can buy a whole bike like this for around £ 1200.00 and you have loads of chancers selling just a wheel and a battery for around the same price, and they are made in China as well. What a great piece of kit.
I’m happy with my purchase I’ve just got one of these bikes after watching your video and I’m happy too tell you that they must have listened too your videos as it’s now supplied with a uk plug with the charger not an two prong adapter
Oh good. I've been moaning about engwe's lack of uk plug for ages. We have the best plug in the world 😂 enjoy the bike it's great 👍👍
@@e-VRC the plug we have is the best I’ll agree with you on that and I’ve been charging it all day haven’t managed too ride it too far but tomorrow I’m going got a nice long ride
Can I ask what kind of maximum range you're getting on it?
@@dylvasey I use it on setting five and I get around 25 too 30 miles out of both battery’s if I used it on peddle assistance and level one it will probably triple but I haven’t tried that yet
@@kiefer7900 Thanks for the info!
Always memorize exactly how to reset back to factory settings and when you get pulled over, do a quick reset.
I like this. I wish it was like hold down 3 buttons for a few seconds. Panic mode.
Can you explain more about this please @butcher9266?
At 9'55" you say, " here in America," surely this is filmed in the suburbs of England somewhere.
What I do is paddle at 25 kmh at busy roads. Cops look but let me ride as I keep to the speed limit. Also the reason I dont wear a helmet is to make them think its locked at that speed. About your camera setup I like the bodycam the best. But the stick cam in selfie mode from a low angle looks really cool aswell :D
Yeah bodycam is always cool. Better quality too at least for my cameras.
That's a good idea. I think if you're seen going slow then it's obviously not a motorbike so you'd get left alone.
What's the top speed?
@@tekurva7901 depends on the motor. 250W will give you around 25kmh. I myself got an Engwe Engine Pro with a 750W motor. On the display it says its doing 45kmh. But after some testing its more around 42kmh.
@@greenone41how my bike is m20 2 battery 750 w mot.. but dont late me more 25kmh why
@@KM_F19 Sounds like its capped to 25. Enter the settings to check. I believe Its the same on the M20. Hold the + and - at the same time
I saw this yesterday. Love Dual batteries, Dual suspension, Dual headlights, Mags, Battery Blender and 750W motor! Down side: no rack and short frame. 1000W peak/54Vmax =18.5A controller... Good for range but a lil low on pwr...
I wonder if a $330 20AH triangle battery would fit in there? 33AH is better than 26AH, and would look less like a motorcycle.
They often give both tbf but they do get mixed up with their specs sometimes.
I think if I bought this bike first would be change back motor to 1000wat get a more amp controller and up grade battery then you have a good bike. Yes it's going to cost a bit more always sell controller that came with bike and the two batteries to get some money back. And these bikes have a speed limit on so cut a wire or two simple
Yeah@@colinwhite144, That'd be nice for sure. 30A controller/display minimum and may have to upgrade the battery blender as well. Another way for speed is run 52V batteries on a 1000W 48V hub, ie, 1740W peak! Not a wheeling SurRon but maybe 40+mph...? Heck, I'd upgrade the motor last and just smoke the 750W for all it;s worth while saving coins
I’m gonna fit a 50,000 watt motor and head up the M5 on the damn thing
FAST LANE TOO BABY!
@@greenbunnyinabongo7299 Hahaha, Problem is range... Cars can carry a ton of batteries but ebikes get too heavy FAST! Some guy modified a Grom and made an edrag bike. but very short range...
That m-20 looks Great,RVer russ did a test yesterday and was very impressed¡¡!!
I'll have to check that out. Very impressed so far.
It seems that the only law in New York City that limits the speed for electric bikes is the law of the sound barrier. I don't see anybody complaining about the speed. It's dangerous for us HPV'ers - especially on the Williamsburg Bridge.
They definitely need to keep a watchful eye on people riding dangerous. No matter what vehicle they're on.
E scooter is going above 35 MPH, and won't get a speed camera ticket, unlike a car does
That really is a great looking ebike really good review and the lights are cool as balls 👏👍
Thanks! Yeah they're really cool
HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST ALL IN. PFQ.
MONEY ......HOW. MUCH. PFQ.
@@patquigley8221 depends where you live. Prices are in the video
@@patquigley8221 I think it's around $ 1500 for the twin battery bike
Are these allowed in Germany without driving's license ?
Just got mine in the other day, so far I absolutely love it. I was a little worried that you had gotten an "Influencer" version and I was going to get the "Sucker" version with missing parts and half-functional components, but nope, pretty much on a par with what you received. I still haven't put the headlights on yet as I don't really do any night driving (and it's still too cold even if I did), so I focused on the important stuff like a phone holder and a bluetooth speaker for music :). Took it out on it's maiden voyage yesterday and had a blast. I'm 60 years old and not interested in setting speed records, so this thing is more than fast enough for me. I have hills all over the place where I live, and while it doesn't chew up hills like my Nanrobot scooter does, it does just fine when I engage the 2nd motor (my legs lol). The only drawback is the 2nd batteries were out of stock when it shipped, so I'll have to wait before taking it on any safari's but I understand it's shipped so should be fully gassed up soon.
I honestly can't say whether I like it better than the scooter at this point. It's a completely different experience, and they both have their strong points. The M20 is definitely a smoother ride, and probably has slightly more range with both batteries (probably a lot more if I pedal). The scooter has much more raw power, and I can ride sitting or standing.
Anyway thanks for the reviews on this. I'm definitely happy with the purchase and can't wait to take it on some longer rides!
btw, you should reach out to Nanrobot and see if they'll send you a review unit (Maybe the D4+ 4.0, I have the 3.0). I think they're an undervalued brand and definitely could use the pub.
Thanks for the tip re: Nanrobot, I've seen their scooters and they look great. I'll reach out. Trust me I've received review units with quite a few problems. There were a few issues with the Engine Pro but luckily easily sorted. I thionk generally shipping from so far from manufacturers that make so many units there are bound to be the occasional duff ones and it's how they sort out the problems that matters. I think sometimes I get sent used/refurbed stuff (which is fine, I can't complain) but huge youtubers may get units that have been quadruple checked. Glad you love the bike anyway. Ride safe 🤘
Those lights are not only for you to see in the dark. They are for YOU TO BE SEEN by oncoming traffic and pedestrians.
Put the damn lights on.
@@DavidJashi Dude that post is 6 months old. I put them on like the next day. They're the only thing on the bike thats difficult to install, so I was waiting until my wife could help me.
Do any one know how fast it goes mph
@neilclaridge4518 European version - 25 km/h. All others - up to 45 km/h
Hi, my partner has this bike and loves it but suddently hes stuck on the P8 mode and cannot get out, can you help please?
Hi, just got myself one of these, love it, looks great. BUT. The top of the chain is touching the tyre when in gear 1, is this normal. All Engwe tell me is to adjust the derailleur, that is not going to work. In fact the rear wheel is not even in the centre of the frame hence too clos to the chain. Did you find this with yours?
The website shows a EU certificate. But will you be able to actually register this as a speed pedelec in EU? Does it have a EU vin engraved in the bike (vehicle identification number)?
I loved my engine pro, but had to sell it because I could not get it registered at all, the certificate it came with was not valid.
I'm not clued up on the laws regarding registering pedelecs unfortunately.
Hmm. I wouldn’t really bother. There is only a handful of bikes that come with the vin numbers. And they mostly sell in the USA. And not only that you have to have the license plate. Insurance, bike license or the cbt test. Really if your going that route you may as well buy electric motor bike or just ebiking.
@@GarrattHamster Well, if want to commute, I'd like to go 45kmh. A license plate costs only about 35 EUR in Belgium, insurance is either not much or included in insurance I already have. A speed pedelec you buy in EU costs upwards of 5000 EUR. Which defeats the point imo. At a price point of 1000-2000 EUR it would be a real option. I'm afraid though that the provided certification will not be valid (again) in EU to register it as a speed pedelec.
I really think there is a big market in EU for cheaper certified speed pedelecs. Wish Engwe would target that.
Did you get the bike free?
Ordered mine yesterday. This bike looks amazing. Can’t wait 🔥
I’m curious how yours turned out. Can you reply to this after you get it/assemble and test it? Is it all that it looks?
@@pduidesign Just got it today and finished assembly it. Only took about an hour. I’m waiting for the battery to fully charge and I’ll let you know. I’m so excited it looks amazing bro
@@paulkendrick4153 it sounds like the packaging was as promised. I’ve been looking to buy a cafe racer e-bike and I think this may be it.
How do u rate the bike now after 3 months thanks 😊
@@keithmclaren1972 A solid 8/10 it’s fun to ride but it’s a bit heavy. I like to put my bike in my apartment and I live upstairs which would be difficult with this bike . So I ended up selling it for a lighter bike. Would still recommend 👍
Hello
I have ENGWE M20
As you know 750w motor bike is illegal to use on public roads
So I want to change the motor to 250w...Is that possible?
How is it going up a decent size hill?
I'm trying to chose between M20 and the Engine Pro Upgraded with an extra battery as I need something with a bit more range. The Engine Pro would have slightly more range at the inconvenience of having to carry the extra battery in a bag or something. What's the speed like between the bikes? Are they similar enough to be a non-issue?
Good question. Speed wise the engine is about 4-5 mph faster. If you're ok with the battery in the bag then the engine is the better spec apart from standard range. If I had to give a bike away I'd give away the engine. Not because it's worse though, just because I love the style of the m20.
@@e-VRC Thanks for the answer, think I might have made up my mind then :)
I love the town. A perfect place to ride around
Ok for river paths etc, looks like a major cop magnet if using in city centers, not really worth the risk, ive got a fiido d4s with kt controller and 48v battery, im getting 27mph full charge 24mph on low battery and two minutes in the settings and im fully legal 😊, 15.5mph, 6kph throttle max speed and 250w motor, thats the way to go.
How long does it take to ship
I understand this bike can do 28mph under battery power, which means it is legally a moped and needs to be registered and insured. On an E-bike power assistance must cut out at 15.5mph, so if it's still powered at 25mph it's still illegal.
Not if you choose to peddle. No one will know
This law is so stupid
You can buy a car which can run 200mph and dive it legally but you can't do same with ebike
Even if you want to register the bike they make it difficult
At the same time you can buy illegal product but you can't use it😊 that's logic
It’s completely legal when k peddle all about deception
Class 3 e-bikes are allowed to go 28 mph. At least in Michigan. Do your own research for your state obviously
Shhhhhh 🤫
how is the seat? i heard someone say they are sliding down it into the battery because it is too steep.
In belgium we can drive this to 45 km/h, but on the website they say they only go to 25 km/h, is it possible to buy a version that goes faster?
The m20 does go 45kph. Not sure why it says 25.
It's a great looking bike. But it is illegal in the UK without taxing it and having insurance. Have you had any issues with that so far relating that?
How much would the tax and insurance be on this would you know? Would I need a licence for this? 😊
@Buxtonchappy1 Well. It would be relatively cheap i would imagine. But idk
Trick your wheel size and see the speed increase.... That wheel set up can go very very fast
How do you do this please
@@ss-sh6nb depend on your dash .. type your computer number and maker in you tube
@@stevenlavoie8897 ah right, I have ordered it and it comes this week so I will have to get back to you lol
Throttles are allowed if the bike was made before 2015
Please review the Heritage Bobber(HBR-M1200) product from "BR3"
Are they made in the U.S ... or China?
👍🏽my double battery version should be here this week⚡️💯⚡️💯⚡️
Exciting!!!! 🤟🤟👍
@@e-VRC great price point for a dual battery, dual suspension, dual headlight 👍🏽 blows away super 73👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Is it worth waiting until autumn/winter before buying? Can you see prices lowering in near future?
I don't see them lowering in the short term unless it gets superceded by an m20 pro or something. Often cheaper ebikes go up in price when they get more youtube exposure.
Is that fitted with a twist-grip on/off switch, or a proper throttle?
Im thinking of getting one given the review, if i keep it restricted, the police wont give me an issue will they?
I don't think so. You never can be 100% but I can't see you getting I to trouble keeping it under 17ish
Love these reviews but can't quite work out the stuff about the UK restricting the throttle and having to make the bike think it's in America. Is this easy to do?
@@liammullone9647 I'm not sure what you're asking. I do joke that I'm in America but that's nothing to do with the bike settings.
What is likely to happen if you get caught using this on UK roads? What are the penalties? Could they confiscate?
You need tax and insurance for bikes over 250W - they are treated as mopeds under UK law.
The only way you’d get caught is if you were being silly with it and going fast in front of police
If you peddle when around busy places and be sensible no one will suspect it’s anything other then a basic electric bike
Worst case scenario is 6 points and a fine but as said above I think if your riding it sensibly and try to keep out of the way (not riding down the middle of the road and cutting through traffic) you should be ok.
Do I need insurance to ride this in the Uk?
I love the look of the bike but I am afraid of pedalling I am pretty short person. Could you tell me how tall you are considering you barely reached the pedals and you didn't like pedalling?
I reached them easy what you on about? 😂😂 i felt like my knees were coming up too much because even at 5'8 the seat was a bit low.
I am 5ft or 150cm , is this bike suitable for me? 🥲
Hello, which one would you recommend: engwe engine pro or m20? It seems, that engine pro is more comfortable and has better break system, where as m20 has longer range if you opt out for dual batteries? Suspension is probably the same?
Basically correct yeah. The engine pro is more expensive and has a few more features. However I'd still have the M20 just because it's cooler.
Hi,
I have booked engwe m20 for commuting from home to job around 15miles onside, but I am not aware of the law.
I am bit confused , can you please suggest a solution
The bike is not delivered yet .
May be it will deliver within this week.
I am in UK
Ride it the same as you would a pedal bike on the roads you should be absolutely fine aslomg as you're wearing a helmet.
If you're using it to get to ans from work it will ne OK. It's when they see youths loitering or the bike being used to play around on in public places.
You should be fine and I myself would definitely take that risk 💚 hope this helps
How's your experience been so far? I'm in London and seriously considering one of these.
Just deactivate the accelerator, when the police stop you, the first thing they look at is that, I have a friend who took away his bike because that had an accelerator
Thank you for this.
Just wondering what the difference with the batteries means?
2 batteries as opposed to just the one, I assume increases range and speed, right?
Please forgive my ignorance but I’m completely new to e-bikes. 🙏🏼
Thats ok.... just increased range. There's 2 ways to set up batteries. In series means voltage doubles and so does power = more speed! Or in parallel so voltage remains the same but capacity doubles = more range!
Where did get the storage box ??
BTW you can see the speed on the display i ordered one but i have a super73ZX.
See what speed on what display?
@@e-VRC The power on power level on the left side of your handle bars also turns on the lights.
i have the c20 pro, it is really good, i love engwe
I Got A New One There Awesome And Tuff I’d Recommend Buying One ✌🏼
How come in the link (UK) it states 25kmh max speed yet the one in your video gets mph speeds way faster? It's a different bike?
No they put the wrong speed. The bike may come limited and you have to change it in the computer.
is this road legal in the UK? I'm told it's only legal of the motor provides pedal assistance
It's only fully legal if the motor has been classed as 250w, doesn't assist over 15.5mph and the throttle cuts out over about 3mph
Did I miss it - but how fast does it go in electric mode 1 vs the top mode? Thanks!
1 is about 13mph 5 is 25-26.
That was a great ride 👍
Cheers!
You mentioned pedal position. How would someone 6 foot 2 get on with it. Really enjoy videos. Thanks.
Thanks very much! I was on it again yeaterday and it does feel awkward to pedal and I'm only 5'9. Fine if you just use throttle but you wouldn't want to pedal. Someone made a 3d printed seat riser which could be useful.
Really appreciate the feedback and thanks again.@@e-VRC
Can the seat be adjusted? How tall can you be to ride in comfort?
No adjustments on a bench seat. I reckon you could pedal ok up to around 6ft1 however it depends on if you're long legged or long bodied. If you're long bodied then you could be taller if that makes sense. You could still pedal if you were taller but you'd feel silly pedalling because of how high your knees go.
@@e-VRC great review thanks. Good point about long body/short legs - what is your inside leg measurement for comparison please:
have you gotten in any trouble riding this yet??
Not yet thankfully. I was riding past police the other day on the road on my eskuta sx250. Next to me on the grass a surron shoots past and they just ignored him 😂😂😬😬
@@e-VRC i really want to get one but i would be so upset if the police took it away... i wish i could afford a surron though, they are insane. are you ever going to cover the surron on your channel
@chaver28 if i get big enough that I have money to buy one or if they want to lend one then sure maybe some day 🤞
What a Beautiful town you live in
Great vid - gonna buy through your affiliate link - 1 Q - does the 2 batt version give you more power, or just more range? I will not be going more than 5 miles at a time on mine
Just more range. Same power. That comes from.the 750w motor mate
Hi thanks for the video
This bike battery is removable for charging?
Yes. All the full info will be in the review in a weeks time but feel free to ask anything.
What do you think my chances of getting away with having this bike in the UK are? If I stuck a 250w sticker on it and didn’t go more than 15.5mph?
I don't think a sticker is gonna do much electric vehicles don't generally have wattage on them, it's just about riding carefully if people are around and if police are to stop you theres not much you can do apart from act like you had no idea as it's still a pedal bike
Agreed. Hubs sometimes have a number but it's not obvious what it is to someone who doesn't know about ebikes which would be you if you ever get pulled. But generally if you're going 15.5 and pedalling you'll be safe.
I disable the accelerator and limit the speed to 15.5mph, But pedaling up to a maximum of 15.5 mph is boring, now I only have the accelerator off,
Love the lights
Yeah they're cool 😎
Hi I’m 5’2 what I’d be able to get on this bike thank you
I think so. I'm only 5'9 and it feels a bit small for me when I pedal. It's pretty low.
Your edit is on point
I like your vids. Peace✌️ from Israel
Thanks a lot 👍
Hey thanks for the vid! How fast can this go with out peddling - I’m about 92kg. Thank you
Without pedalling you'll get 26 -27 ish
@@e-VRC thank you 🤩
@@Kim-kd8or no probs
@@e-VRC hey can I ask you one more thing? Do you find it heavy? Can you bike 🏍️ with controle with one arm? One of my arm is weaker so it won’t be doing much lol 😂
@@Kim-kd8or hmm good question. If you can ride a normal bike it doesn't feel any different tbh. It will be heavy to lift though.
I'm like 20lb over the stated weight capacity do you think it would still be ok to ride ,thanks
Probably as long as you're not jumping about on it.
@@e-VRC I'd mostly be going to work on it 5 miles each way and mostly flat roads
@mworrall10 i can't say for certain but you'd probably be fine.
Needs to be tad longer, and tad more height for taller riders. And the toque need to be more. And it’s a massive shame they didn’t put on the regenerative breaking on this like some of there other bikes. Missed a big selling point there. But I do give them credit for trying in design ways. Oh and throttles in the uk. Can have them but it should only go up to 3 or 4 mph. Oh and check out the Cooler King Kub. Not that looks like a motor bike
Yeah pedalling wouldn't be ideal for anyone 6ft or over.
From what I've read, battery blenders don't like regen brakes. Price you pay for dual batteries... But 26AH is kickass! Now to bump the controller to 25A and at least #10 wire to the hub motor.
that's the reason why i stop thinking buying this m20 its shame engineer can't think there's tall people but i think its made in china so no wonder people are short over there
@@aminefakir8962 Bikes with conventional seat posts accommodate taller riders and longer legs. Check out EUY S4, Polarna X-01, I love the Polarna M-4
What similair ebike do you recommend for 6ft 1
you think i will be able to get away with riding around london on this like a normal bike that tops at 15.5 miles an hour?
I think if you limit the speed via the computer to 16mph and maybe disable the throttle you'd get away with it, occasionally having to tell police it's an ebike that maxes at 15.5mph. But any with knowledge may rumble you. Even if you did nothing though you'd probably get less trouble than you would on an escooter.
Best thing to do is limit the speed to the legal limit that way you’ll have full comfort knowing if pulled over you’ll be in the clear
I think the speed is the same with the engine pro, I guess this is a heavy bike but it looks nice 👍🏼.
Yeah it's very nice. I feel like it's a tad slower than the engine pro but still a good speed.
@@e-VRC yes definitely, looks comfortable ride 👍🏼.
So im seeing this on Amazon for 88 and really iffy cause its through Amazon but should i go for it
88?
@@e-VRC 88 dollars on Amazon
Hi, how wide is the handlebar?Thanks
Next time I'm on it I'll try to remember to measure it for you.
@@e-VRC Thanks
Has anyone had any run-ins with the police about riding this bike or similar? It doesn't seem to be enforced but I just want to make sure before I buy!
I haven't heard of any but that doesn't mean there haven't been any. I'm happy to ride mine around I pedal as much as possible and don't go too fast.
Nice review! I moved to the Netherlands two years ago and got myself a super73 z1 as I wanted something fast/fun for my commute around the city.
Throttles are illegal in Europe but you can buy them online. Even when I purchased mine the store had them in stock but as being in a new country I didn’t want to break the law haha.
Just had contact with this company and they’re going to send me an M20 hopefully by next week 🤞🏾 really excited.
Nice, hope you love it. I still haven't tried a super73. The zx looks nice a more standard ebike rather than the scrambler-ish rx.
So I’m 6ft tall would I be cramped on this bike ?
I think you could comfortably pedal but you'd notice your knees going higher than on a normal bike. Another youtuber was pedalling it fine and they were 6'4. They did feel weird though 😂
So...are these things legal to use on UK roads, or not? If they are, how can these be legal and yet slower e-scooters aren't?
By just pedalling in footpaths, then throttle when offroad if ur worried about it being legal or not
Really cool video, thank you. So are these e bikes legal to ride on uk roads please?
Not legal
Could I ask how tall you are? I'm 6ft 2in and I'm wondering if I'll fit the bike.
I'm 5'9 - you'll be ok with throttle but might struggle or at least look a little goofy when pedalling
A good ol company Engwe. That looks well specked. Well done to them!
Yeah they did well with this one.
Which was quicker this or the engine pro ep2…..?….Great vid too….👍
Thanks! Engine pro is a little quicker I think. May have to race them.
Was going to go for the ep2 pro, but now I'm leaning toward this one. Still got my scooters if I need to fold something up and throw it in the back, and this looks a lot more comfortable to ride. Might miss the back rack though.
There's a way to put a rear bag and panniers on it - There's a pic on one of the sites. Yeah I'd go with this one over thr ep2 especially with the current discounts.
@@e-VRC how better is the battery range on this one over the ep2 pro? I want a e bike to use it for food delivery on the city
@Sergiu Ungur they're about the same weight and both have 13ah batteries so range should be about the same.
@@e-VRC then i will pick the cheaper one, Sadly they no longer have the 50off discount code it was till end of march. Do you recommend me ep2 pro over the Fafrees 26? That one is cheaper but only 250w
@Sergiu Ungur i haven't tried the fafrees. The ep2 pro is great though. If comfort over long range is a consideration then the m20 has that going for it too.
what size frames?
If you ride and change or lubrificate the bearing and change the tire with street type you go too fast up to 52 kmh on level ground. this type of ebike is beautiful but attracts too much attention from the traffic police.
Looks good, tempted.
It's a great bike. And discounted for the time being.
What a great looking bike!
I'm so impressed!
it would fit a person 1.90 tall ?
I'd say someone that tall could ride it ok with throttle but might feel awkward pedalling it.
I love my electric Engwe bike, charge it with solar. There should be far more of these, clean, silent and no pollution. Just backward regulation holding it back.
It really is time to invest in a Manfrotto Super Clamp... not the newest vid with clamp problems lol
They are like £20 (ehem i mean, err $30) and would probably crush half of the cheaper bike frames!
I'm seriously interested in this or the L20 (which would be more suited to me!) Would really love a longer term review and a bit more hill hill climbing ability as i live in a really hilly location, in errr... The ock-aye-de-noo Rockies 😉
Cheers I'll check that out. Got some manfrotto stuff it's good. If I find someone I'll take both bikes out and do some more hills 👍
hi iv followed you for a while now, even when you were vr couldron, im in pendeford w-ton if i buy this bike thru your link, we you help me put it togeather, please
Hey I'm sure I could help you out. You don't have to use the affiliate link. Have a go and if you get stuck send an email and we can sort something out. I think I cover all the annoying bits in the video 👍
@@e-VRC ok thats great thankyou, inless you got something for me to buy off you.
Is the motor 500w or 750w 😊
750
@e-VRC cheers mate because I've got 1000w mid-drive Mario ebike, which is 52v 21amp battery, and it's a gose about 36mph without really trying but your isn't bad mate
@@ashpunting that sounds awesome.
Dope video, thx Bro.
No problem, thanks for watching 👍
Is this Bike street legal in the U.S?
I think it would be legal in the US and classed as a class 3 ebike. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
the handle bars and double lights would look good on an engine pro
Agreed. All the folding ebikes would look bettet with these kinds of handlebars.
@@e-VRC probably handle better as well
@@ArtyVanHoming definitely!
Totally illegal for road use in the UK. I live by the dunes here in Cornwall so good for that.
Would be awesome over some hard sand 🤟
What is the law about these? I;ve seen a few in London..
I'm thinking of buying this bike for my 12yr 45kg son is this bike good for him?
You have to be 14 to ride an ebike in the uk and that's a 15.5mph one. Your son would probably love it but I can't recommend it as being suitable for a 12 y/o.
@@e-VRC we live in the United States of America I don't think we have that rule or law
I think that your over thinking the whole helmet thing, I've been riding a red rocket with a full face helmet in the winter for the past 4 years and have never had an issue. That was ridding through a city during both lock downs, and if I'm honest I was riding like an idiot taking advantage of clear roads hitting 40+mph. 5000w 150A sab controller at 72v
Just a side note, if the tyres are measuring at 23" then it's probably a 19" wheel and not 20"
I'm getting the m20 next Month, it will be great for commuting
Awesome. It will! 👍
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Arguably *looks better than a Super*
Agreed. Some of them look odd. ZX is probably the nicest looking
Price looks waaaaaaaaaay better than a super
@@user-fi6hg8vq6c The price is reeeeaaall nice compared to a super 👍
My s2 customed looks much better now
Just peddle when around the police and you’ll be fine. No way anyone will know it’s a moped like bike if you use it carefully
Just ordered mine, 1345$ total with 2year protection plan
Awesome. Enjoy!
Must be illegal powering past 15mph, this would be confiscated, right? Looks so much fun though.
If they catch you mandem If they catch you! 😂
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
Anyone here that bought a ENGWE M20 have problems with the Display.
I programed everything except the Power-On password. Rode the bike around town and it was fine. I wanted a password on it to keep the wife off of it. Scene P8 is for the password setting. Now the P8 screen won't take my PW. When you power up the displays lights up then switches to the P8 screen and won't take my PW. So in short the bike is dead.
I tried to set back to factory settings (Holed Power and + buttons at the same time), nothing just P8 screen. I even unplug the control box hoping to reboot it, nothing just a P8 screen.
Called the company and they said, "Send order number , where you bought and a video of the problem". Is there anyone who has the same problem. Thanks
Any luck with this? I thought I'd replied but maybe you wrote on a different M20 video too?
@@e-VRC I'm in contact with ENGWE, which they are rather sloooow to respond to anything. They had me send a video of the display while I ran the Power-On pass word P8 screen. They then screen shot me the page out of the M20 manual (par 4-8 Power-On password setting) and said to try this and send another video with the results..... Nothing change still back to P8.
That was a waste of time so far. Very nice bike very disappointing service AFTER THE SALE SERVICE so far............ Took them for days (over the weekend )to send a screen shot of the Power-on password instructions that got me here in the first place......
Thanks for asking e-VRC
If these were UK road legal it would be great even if you had to buy a cheap insurance policy. I have a Brompton that I would like an e-bike conversion for. How come you can buy a whole bike like this for around £ 1200.00 and you have loads of chancers selling just a wheel and a battery for around the same price, and they are made in China as well. What a great piece of kit.
Yeah it would be a good idea. I've seen some kits for a few hundred. You'd only need a small one for a Brompton.
You're in America? Looks very British.
Well, this looks decent, but I will be going with Lectric XPedition Cargo eBike as I think it's more useful.
Fair. Cargo bikes are great.
Engwe now have a cargo bike called the L20. I'll be releasing a video in a few days. Might be worth checkng out. Bet it's cheaper.
@@e-VRC I'll check it out. I like the mag wheels as you don't have to deal with spokes.