@@IOOoo0000ooOOI Yes, I did respond positively to the survey. My point is that it is nonsensical (under current legislation) not to have a type approval. For the DSA to test every one of a series production is just bureaucratic nonsense, which we in the UK are really good at!
I agree, pointless red tape for something that would be beneficial for those with mobility issues... let's hope we get good news from this new consultaion.@@rigilchrist
No it’s in the Eu. It was the Eu who decided that these bikes needed type approval. Since brexit, we decided to keep the type approval requirement, however, the dft are now i consultation to change this. Given that type approval isn’t possible in the EU, these kind of bikes are still illegal over there. However, given that type approval is possible for the uk via the DVsA approval route, they are perfectly legal here :)
Having a throttle E bike is the only way I would be to ride a bike with my kids, but seeing the amount of hassle it would be to actually get one in the UK, I don't think I'm ever going to get to go for a ride with them before they get too old and are leaving for University.
@@borninthewoods4482 I don't know, maybe. My only concern by doing it illegally is any potential implications for trouble with my driving licence as I need that to get around places further afield along with my wife and kids.
My mum has fibromyalgia and has a throttle ebike. It's never been a problem no one's ever questioned it. There is a Thai lady round here who has for years rode an older ebike with throttle and she is still riding it so I doubt she's had an issue. I live in a quiet Suffolk town and police will literally pick on you for anything because they have nothing better to do and no one seems to care.
It's not a loophole. It just proves a specific ebike meets the criteria set out by the standard. There's nothing to stop anyone else putting their existing throttle ebike through an SVA test. All the information is available. Even a more powerful ebike can be put through an SVA test and ridden as a moped, scooter or motorcycle. It's all possible and could work out cheaper than buying and electric moped or scooter from the outset. People build their own cars and motorcycles, so why not?
its worth mentioning though that if you get your ebike SVA certified as a moped or motorbike, then you can no longer ride it in cycle lanes... which in my opinion defeats the point of owning an ebike (there is an arguement for it being more environmentally friendly yes) as you can no longer take the shortcuts or scenic routes. You may as well just own a moped/motorbike at that point as they will go much faster and do not need to through the hassle/cost of getting certified for road use
So many people cycling around illegally, do the police ever check? I was in Leicester during the week and the city centre is plagued with fast food delivery guys speeding around on electric bikes, very few are using pedals and no way they are restricted to 15.5 mph.
Checks are nearly impossible; a hard and fast crime is a marked motor wattage of over 250W, no pedal-assist, or a speed over 15.5mph. It's very easy to re-mark a motor as being a lower wattage than it really is, knowing if a bike truly has pedal-assist is only done by riding it (although granted, if it has no pedals - dead giveaway!), and the average bobby can't run at more than about 7mph (or 5.5mph after lunchtime). Solving the problem would be a case of overhauling public and private transport as well as pedestrianism; at the end of the day I'd rather we had the technology and used it safely than banned it and forced its users to therefore be always-unsafe. No government wants to bother with that though, so they're just kinda ignoring the issue as long as there are bigger problems to deal with.
Lets be logical here. On basic numbers alone. Do you really think police have that much manpower or time to stop THAT many riders on 1000w+ ebikes. It would be the absolute biggest waste of police resources ever! And even if they could, and they took all the powerfull bikes off the road. For as little as £600 you could just build yourself another 1000w ebike and be right back at it again. Its not even worth pursuing them. And The police know this better than anyone.
Regular e-bikes of the more premium mid-mounted motor kind usually has a torgue sensor that starts giving you power just by pushing down on one pedal from a standstill (with one foot still on the ground). Unlike the cheaper wheel-mounted motors which may only have a cadence sensor, aka they only gives you power after you get the cranks turning a bit.
@@Erafune The key words premium ... they can be a lot more expensive and if you have health problems bad knees etc bad ones are no use. The other is buying a dedicated electric bike when you have one or more existing quality bikes sized to fit or already kitted out for cargo, touring or other duties you have big problems and added expenses converting.. if you have a motor in wheel kit you can swap it between same size wheel bikes and control it from a throttle ..like a MC.. you can always restrict top speed incase the car drivers stuck in traffic get too angry and try running you down or belting past you then turning across you at the next junction. There's also no way of running a pusher cargo or kiddie trailer that can otherwise be swapped between multiple bikes and do multiple jobs ..and also removed and still left behind...the most logical solution, if you want or need to leave the wt bulk or risk of a Epower system behind all you do is unhitch and unplug the trailer...and a throttle controller display unit. The Germans even offer a wireless throttle system and integrated display. But that would be too helpful and cut the manufacturers out of a third of the market...and the Premium price tags..that 60% of bicycle 🚲 users could never afford . So how about increasing the Wattage allowance ...you can still cap speed ...so larger people and busy people can get small kids to nurseries and schools and get heavy loads home using the many bikes we have already. 🙄 To stop the waste and limit the pollution of producing more bikes that often cannot be ridden really when they are flat or develope a fault.. and you cannot get replacement parts for once the manufacturers chang their model specs every two or three years. Oh yes that's what they learned from the Auto trade. 🤷🏻♂️🧙🏼♂️
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 Fiido have throttle and non-torque sensor motors - and are cheap if you’re willing to wait a few weeks-month for delivery. I got a 750w T2 long tail from them. It accelerates like crazy if you want, but I usually have the baba on board so don’t use it in any mode other than eco (it’s has a rocket mode that’ll take you from 0-30mph in about 5 seconds) I spoke to local law here in Scotland and they said, verbatim: “what? That restriction stuff is only the MET, and only for folk riding like fannies, stealing shit …”
The best part about a throttle on these little ebikes is that at a complete stop at an intersection is that it gets you OUT of the way of cars at the intersection. The cars are not waiting for the rider getting frustrated waiting for "that damn bike", We zip into the bike lane in better control, out of the way, no wobble. You know how rider and bikes wobble at the start? Which aggravates the car driver... I bet you do a study proving that the throttle, going up to 15-18mph in a smooth fashion may actually change the law? Its safer for sure. Cheers.
As long as cyclist follows the highway code, which as we know, majority does not. We already have illegal vehicles on the road, so this is not a game changer (at least in London) police doesn't do anything about anything anymore, except car drivers as they are easiest target...and perhaps social media police.
@@smeghead666 You missed the point I was making and are projecting now. I drive for a living and could have a debate with a willing people, you are not willing to have a debate though, you just want to project. Good riddance.
As you just demonstrated, no loophole is needed, because Dibble doesn't give a stuff. If you want extra security, wear a puffa jacket with a DeliverEats bag on your back, don't have any lights and ride with your mobile phone in your hand. Then you can blast your 750W Allegro electric motorcycle at 30mph on pavements without anyone blinking twice. There's no point in being legal when criminality is never sanctioned.
All good until someone walks into your path and gets injured, regardless of who is to blame, if you're on something illegal, it makes things difficult for you, also difficult for future changes in legislation, people love to hate cyclists!
It’s marvellous the legal require mental and the only difference is that it will move without you peddling, as for speed it doesn’t go as fast as someone can pedal it, granted a bit more energy but if you can pedal at 40mph your legal do do so in a 40 zone, and as it maybe bicycles are rarely doing those speeds there’s no telling when an accident can happen at 40 or at 4 mph, otherwise they wouldn’t be accidents if we new they were going to happen it would be sort of premeditated, so I think the main criteria should be brakes after all throttle or not to make it go along is more dangerous if you can’t stop, just my rant on the farces of the law
Thats why i hope for you (and one of my family members, who lost 1 leg) the consultation is passed changing the power limit to 500w is needed for hills if you allow throttle only, the 250w will not do any hills without pedal assitance.(ive tested it for my cousin trying to get one of these dvsa throttle approved bikes)
At 18 I was "diagnosed" with epilepsy and so lost my driving licence, I took to cycling and enjoyed the freedom it gave me as my diagnosis lost me my job too, I loved cycling but in 2001 I was diagnosed with something called Ménière's disease, it causes vertigo, deafness and tinnitus, most people don't have all three but I do (that's beside the point), the last time I rode a bike was 2009 (life got in the way after that) but I want to get back to cycling again and this seems like a possibility for me, I don't have epilepsy as first thought, but I would like to know more about an e-bike (for getting away without falling off at junctions etc) but the rest I am happy to peddle with the assistance when needed thanks to age getting the better of me now and not having the strength which I used to have.
@@chrisshelley3027 Good luck Chris on your e-bike journey! Hopefully we can both find some success and enjoyment on these new breed of bikes. I’m currently using an indoor spin bike to build up some leg strength to prepare myself for these bikes.
@@msagoo29 Hi, I have my bike, I'm not looking for financial assistance especially (though a little would help) I'm wanting the laws/rules to change with regard to people like ourselves who need that small change at certain points whilst riding, such as getting away at junctions and just getting started from the curb, I'm not looking to be travelling at 40 MPH without peddling, a change in the laws to make it safe and therefore easier to get out and be as fit as possible under the circumstances, sadly it seems to be too much to ask currently, but we'll see hopefully.
Wisper eBikes already do this with their Full Throttle option. They get every eBike individually type approved with the DVLA so you can use the throttle up to 15.5 mph without pedalling. It costs about £300 extra.
In austria there are no extra cost for anything as long its limited to 25 km/h. Also, since our police is more realistic, they dont even care about fast e-bikes or scooters as long we are driving normally. Because of that, i can enjoy a "powerful" (1000W, 2000W peak) scooter which goes up to 45 km/h and its even cheap (600€ new), unlike the "strong" legal scooters which are mostly super expensive.
With no seat height adjustment, it needs to be throttle controlled. It would like pedalling a bmx bike only 5 times heavier if the battery ran out. But its a pretty cool looking piece of transport.
Valid point, as you alluded to this style of Cruisa frame and design provides a more relaxed ride, and the ride position certainly differs to that of a standard road cycle so the optimum riding experience is compromised, although can be ridden unassisted via the standard gears, certainly benefits from a good battery performance for an effortless ride
Got my Cruiza last week, it's great for commuting, the throttle comes into it's own after a long day at work, i was lucky and mark had my bike already approved, only took a few days to arrive in scotland. great bikes, great company.
My electric bike has a twist throttle and was built in the 80s would you believe. It was a prototype designed for towing stuff round an airport. It's got modern batteries and can go about 15 mph.
The issue with this is, the government is currently considering the legality of using the throttle for use above the 3.7mph ish max speed and raising the speed limit above the current 15.5mph but if they are going to make money from individuals or company applying for the legality of these then they won’t change anything.
All E-bikes, that were made before 1st Jan. 2016. that has a throttle control, are legal. I used to own a 2015 Oxygen Hybrid E-Bike, with the l throttle. The engine cut out at 15.5mph. 😊
Interestingly enough you can also have one if you covert a pedal bike to an ebike. It bypasses the entire type approval required thing (which is how the bike in the video has legal throttle). As long as it’s 250w 15mph cutout you’re good to go.
General requirements - EAPC classification The EAPC regulations[footnote 1] as amended[footnote 2] set out the requirements that EAPCs must satisfy if they are not to be treated as motor vehicles when used on roads in GB - i.e. do not need to be licensed and registered etc. The requirements are the: cycle must be fitted with pedals that are capable of propelling it. maximum continuous rated power of the electric motor must not exceed 250 Watts. electrical assistance must cut-off when the vehicle reaches 15.5 mph (Note: the previous limit on motor power for bicycles and the restrictions on weight, and the number of wheels an EAPC may have, were removed on 6 April 2015). An EAPC which complies with the above is not considered to be a motor vehicle within the meaning of the ‘Road traffic regulation act 1984’ and the ‘Road traffic act 1988’. As a result, it is not required to be registered or subject to vehicle excise duty (road tax), and does not have to be insured as a motor vehicle. However, EAPCs must not be ridden by anyone under the age of 14 years[footnote 3]. Power assistance - “Twist and Go” Because of the particular benefits for elderly and disabled users, pedal cycles providing electrical assistance without use of the pedals - usually called “Twist and Goes” - are included in the above GB classification provided they are capable of pedal operation and comply with the above restrictions on maximum motor power and assistance cut-off speed. However, under European law[footnote 4] new “Twist and Go” vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads. This will normally be established by “type approval” at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved.
If you convert an existing bike or build your own from parts then you can have a throttle legally, because the law only refers to bikes that are manufactured for sale not DIY or conversions.
I prefer e-bikes that are more alike traditional bikes in terms of design and geometry. Those more motorcycle alike e-bike invites you to throttle. Would be nice to see some e-bike with thumb throttle as the ones we get with quadricycles, in a ebike with a invinting geometry to pedal.
There's definitely a dividing line somewhere between e-bicycle and e-motorcycle. Unfortunately all those e-motorbike riders acting as if theirs is a bicycle, whilst having kilowatts of power, are ruining it for everybody else.
As a uk motorcyclist we call it a twist grip as opposed to the thumb throttle, I own 20 motorcycles one of which is the electric victory empulse TT. Keep safe, 2 wheels = freedom😊
Its still 250 watt motor so its ideal as a peddle assist, having a hand throttle means the battery will have reduced range also peddles will still be needed for hills . As a senior I prefer peddle assist for health benefits, using a hand throttle the humble bike becomes a moped .
Mine goes 33 mph. Police have seen me loads over the last 2 years and no problems. I got stopped on my electric skateboard but that was advice about visibility for car drivers to see me. The bikes great only 900!
No you’re not supposed to. You’d be better- off fitting a front “power assist” pack to your existing bike if you still want to exercise/pedal your bike..
@@philtucker1224 Why would you be better off doing that? Electric conversions void bike warranties, for one. It would have poor weight distribution compared to a purpose-built mid-drive e-bike for another. They're more prone to failure, since the bike isn't engineered for the extra weight and other stresses for a third. What advantage are you pointing to?
@@ScrapKing73 all of those reasons you have stated are very minor and relatively unimportant. The advantage of adding the ( very popular) power assist packs are that they are far cheaper than a whole new bike purchase and allow you to keep your favourite regularly used bike.
@@SirLordCustardthe10th Pedibal then add £100 to that £45 so total they are charging for bike with certificate is £145 more than their bike without a certificate.
Hi, This is great news for me, I'm in my 70's and basically my lungs a re knackered and I can't walk very far, so riding a bike is out of the question. I fly a drone and live in Cumbria and have been looking for this type of bike, which must fold so I can get it in the boot of my car to get to some out of the way places up some tracks. As I said there is no way I would attempt to try and walk up even a slight incline and some of the places are about 3/4 mile to where I would fly my drone. Would the folding version do the job, the max distance would be about 1 1/2 miles round trip and could I do it without having to pedal at all. Thanks.
Definitely worth shooting Pedibal an email to talk about options. The Navigata (folding bike) will have enough range, but you need to talk to them about the degree of inclines and also how much you weigh as both will impact the pushing power of the motor.
Yes very true but have you also seen those little monkey bikes that fit into a car boot? A lot of hire-car delivery people use them to return to base when dropping off a hire car to a customer..
The fact that the builder has to certify every single one separately really tells you how silly the ebike law is! Even in Belgium they have throttle and up to 1000 Watt (that's Bafang H550, for example) exempted upon type-approval. Simply because Belgium was the wisest EU country and essentially merged L1e-A vehicles with official EAPCs (as long as the top speed is 25 kph).
Yes, but for many years Belgium has had a class of low speed mopeds (brommerfiets) so it was easy for them to fit EAPCs into their existing legal framework as brommerfiets.
@@nickwinn7812 Not exactly, because bromfiets correspond to L1e-B class, same as everywhere else for decades. It was in 2013 that the EU law 168/2013 had created L1e-A and L1e-B classes. And Belgium was smart enough to merge L1e-A with ebikes (EAPCs exemped from the law) for practical purposes (no mandatory insurance and helmet, no licence plate and free to ride wherever ebikes can go). It's not to say that this is an ideal situation by itself - merely more managable. The goal is to exclude L1e-A class from the type-approval regime, not having the bikes homologated under that regime... so they can be excluded.
I got 2 fat tire folding ebikes in the USA & took the chainring & chain off. Disconnected the cadence sensor & put a crank arm with both pedal hanging down as foot pegs swinging free. Just use thumb throttles & the cops could care less.
Love it! I really wish they would get realistic with the standards. Too many are virtually forced to game their bikes to throttle, and then they don't think twice about gaming them to go too fast. Actually riding car speed on city streets is much safer than having vehicles fly by, but a bike not build to spec hitting a pothole at speed spells a massive increase in the chance of disaster. It's also obvious that those with disabilities or other issue need throttle assist more than 4mph. Can't wait to see the folder version.
Jumping through so many hoops and at all times increasing the cost of the bike while more money goes to the DVSA. Such a messed up system we have here in the UK. Remember the electric scooter trial that they are still dragging out?
Mines about 10 years old which was before they released the "no throttle" rule. It's still pedelec but you can use it as throttle only. Shame the thing is now falling apart !
I bought my ebike in 2011. It has a throttle that takes you up to about 15 mph and it is legal. So yours is not the first and neither was mine for that matter. Being able to ride an ebike without pedaling became illegal in 2016 I think. Bikes manufactured with a throttle before that date are still legal.
That 250 watt motor has not got the torque needed imo. They already know that heavy bikes and heavy riders need at least 60nm to go up hills no pedalling so are debating this issue. If you live on a hill then wait for/buy the 500w motor.
True but as with your old pedal bike you would need to just get off and push it to the top of the hill. If like me you are past that then you’d need to get a proper E-bike but then it has to be registered and insured etc.
Easy fix so long as long as a person isnt too overweigh. 1. Keep the 250w motor for legality. 2. Get a controller that supports a 48v/52v battery. 3. Get a 48v or 52v battery. The bike should go from 15mph to around 27mph with the 48v battery. And up to around 30mph with the 52v battery. You will finally be safe in traffic! Instead of always being in potential danger.
I bought my wife an Hitway BK16. Ironically I fitted a throttle to it to make it more manageable On pedal assist the motor goes from 0 to max. No in between on any PAS level. The throttle can be used to start the bike slowly which isn’t possible with the pedals. Hitway tell me this is normal!!🤔
Yeah its not LEGAL YET! Applies to England, Scotland and Wales Summary Seeks views on proposed changes to the regulations on electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs or e-cycles). This consultation closes at 11:59pm on 25 April 2024 Consultation description The government proposes 2 changes to the regulations on electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs or e-cycles): to amend the legal definition of EAPCs, so that the maximum continuous power output of the electric motor is 500 watts instead of 250 watts to allow ‘twist and go’ EAPCs to have throttle assistance up to 15.5mph (25km/h) without the need for type approval This consultation asks: for your views on the proposed changes about any benefits or risks you think the changes may have
4 very senior adventurous e cyclists with throttle assist explained how their lives had changed immensely with their bikes. They went everywhere by bike but explained there are times they need to use public roads and some have very large intersections. With their physical limitations they would have difficulty scurrying across such intersections pedalling and going through the gears to pick up speed. With the throttle they could get to speed quickly with little disruption to motorised vehicles and get through the intersection much quicker and safer. Laws are overlooking situations like this. I also have a pedal assist e-bike and on my commute into the city, riding at 25kph on a major cycle lane, I get passed by 99% of cyclists riding regular bikes. The laws really need updating.
I haven't got a throttle on my ebike and I don't want one, what I do want is enough power to get up the hills and where I live even 750w bikes struggle
750w stock should be more than enough for someone who isnt overweight. But if so, then its an easy fix. just upgrade the controller and battery voltage for more power & torque. A 48v or 52v battery on a dual volt controller that supports both voltages should see your problem solved. Easy peasy.
No it’s not (unless you have undergone the same inspection and certification process and been awarded a DVLC vin number) - as described in the video. Speed must also be strictly limited to 15.5 mph evidently (even though your is three times more powerful than that?) what are your thoughts?🤔
It isn't the first. Wisper have been doing them for a long time. It's a click-bait video. Yours sounds like it is not a low power moped at >250W, so you need insurance, registration etc. When our Govt gets off their useless butts and start regulating properly, it could one for confiscate + crush if used illegally.
Whisper ebikes have effectively done this for years. Pay an extra £100 and they get your new (Whisper) ebike certified, full throttle allowed (up to 15.5mph). On other bikes full throttles are allowed so long as they work through the pedal assist system. Instant power upto 6kmh then if you are turning the pedals full power to 15.4mph. Rad power on their 250w bikes use this system, but not now easily available. Woosh ebikes have produced some bikes like this also. Don't know why they are not much more common.
Provisional licence and a CBT certificate valid for two years yes after the age of 16 but you also need a crash helmet tax and insurance on top to be fully legal
I don't understand this as clearly states in the ebike law the throttle MUST Cut-out at 3.6mph and its only for use with older folk and people who have difficulty in pushing the crank round to 4mph to kick in the motor on take off! I myself have just applied for such approval! Having a disability with my leg so i need to apply for permission to add the throttle and must cut out at 3.6mph then i can pedel and kick the motor in at 4mph! I would have this double checked it just sounds like it's been a mix up! According to the law anyway it's still illegal
Hi from Australia I have an e-bike that gets me around where I want to go. It also has peddle assist GPS tracking and a lock alarm with 8 shockies yeah so I like it very much the thing is it has no blinkers to turn left or right they need to put these in the making of future bikes. Mine also goes the distance of 60 km and can speed up to 45 km and we don't need to go through road tests to make it legal
Iv been using my Iretta 2 here in Finland for around 2 years now and its basically the same bike with only no throttle, and i enjoy using it even if im 183 cm tall.
And police will never have the time or man power to do anything about it. Even if they did. 15mph on roads that have a minimum of 20mph (which most drivers often go faster than) isnt safe. Im not saying ebikes should be out here flying at 40mph. But 15mph is a death sentence when riding in traffic. Thats why most ebike riders either build more powerfull ebikes, or overvolt their 250w motors so that they can hit closer to 30mph and actually be safe on the road.
They don’t want people to have free transportation,that’s why the current laws on PEVs are a shambles,and that’s why most people just do their own thing.
I agree with you, they are a life saver for people with injuries, I got my E - bike to commute to work and back but I've been going out at weekends really enjoying nice relaxing bike rides and not getting warn out or sweaty! I still have a car but I use my bike instead.
Just put mudguard covering the rear of the front wheel, and an adjustable seat it does effect your joints, on a motorcycle it’s uncomfortable taller riders when they can’t get a longer fit, and do the handle bars adjust too.
For most people, I don’t understand the advantage of having to hold a button, as opposed to a system where you gently turn the pedals to keep the motor engaged. Surely that’s an even better loophole, as it didn’t require individual units to be approved?
@@zed351 What is a "push start" for a motorbike? I've never ridden one. But when exiting an intersection (is that what you mean by "junction"?), a motor and a rider's pedalling together is more powerful than just a motor, so that doesn't seem to be relevant.
@@Kumari_44 A throttle doesn't make a motor more powerful. A motor and a rider propelling the bike together is more powerful than just a motor, so I don't see how a throttle can propel you faster.
@@seebarry4068 I ride past police daily they never stop you they don't care enough. I just make sure I pedal when I see them.. sometimes I forget to pedal using throttle only and police are driving behind me they don't do anything lol... Don't allow fear to control your life bud.. just ride with common sense
@@TopskimpChee-fc6zithe police in many cities have random days where they stop scooters and cyclists to check their bikes, and impound everything they can. just depends where you are in the UK and how much of a knob the local management are.
@@jamesnurgle6368 wow it seems like where you are the police are the control freaks I speak of. I don't see why there is a problem if you ain't causing problems. For example being mindful of riding in pedestrian areas etc and taking the same common sense precaution you would asif your on a normal bike.. it literally an electric bike. They need to stop getting there knickers in a twist over them lool it's not the electric bike/ speed which is the problem, it's the people using them without using common sense
This reminds me of the Soviet Union where every single typewriter was registerd with specific samples of its type so that who ever wrote out anti gov material could be searched from the typewriter database.
E-bikes in England are limited to 15.5 mph, but this causes safety issues on roads where cars travel at 20 mph or more. Normal bicycles can often exceed this speed on flat or downhill sections, making e-bikes seem slower in comparison. Cyclists are advised to position themselves in the center of the lane (a practice called “taking the lane”) for their own safety, especially if there's no dedicated cycle lane. However, the speed difference often frustrates drivers, resulting in honking, verbal abuse, or dangerous overtaking. This increases risks to the cyclist, as cars may attempt to pass too closely or aggressively. From my experience, I’ve faced many serious problems riding an e-bike on London roads, as most drivers don’t understand the rules. This frustration forced me to switch back to a normal bike until the law changes to allow 20 miles per hour for e-bikes.
Trying to get up hills on a heavier then normal ebike (mine is a t16 bodywel built like a tank from steel) limited to 250 watts you have to really work your butt to get up them, i think I should have left it another 5 years when hopefully everything will be better
This is exactly the sort of ebike I've been looking for. Since I was 27 (35 years ago), I've had a left leg full of metal and as I've got older, its got harder to bend my knee far enough to pedal. And about 6 years ago I sold my last road bike, as it was impractical for me to pedal any more. We badly need a change in the law to allow those of us with disability to be able to use throttle ebikes. Personally I'd like a cargo bike like the Urban Arrow, but with just a throttle. I also think the 18mph limit for assist is set too low to be safe. It needs to be at least 30mph to keep up with urban traffic. I regularly managed average speeds over 30, when I was fit. And a lot faster than that when downhill gradients and fearless youth were involved! So 30mph seems perfectly reasonable to me. If that means insurance etc then I'm fine with that too. Even a safety test like that for the likes of the Citroen Ami in France for 14 year olds.
Great video, Eilis, good to see the huge smile on your lovely face. The idea of the loophole is brilliant, but the chafing frame thing is weird, not for everyone. This is better than an escooter, it makes people want to get about responsibly without a car. No worries about the police though, they are far too busy sorting out Twitter spats to do look out for people committing crimes! Well done.
The illegal high powered bicycles are very often used by criminals, because they cannot be tracked and are very cheap. In general the police looks for dangerous/reckless driving, before they stop you when using electric bicycle. As far as legislation goes, updating the legislation to allow people to use high powered bicycles as a means of transportation will probably never happen, because of the legislators and their understanding. Using 750-1000 Watt motor in throttle only mode costs 25 pence per 20-24 miles, which is roughly 1£ per 100 miles. Considering the UK has some of the most expensive electricity on the planet it's still cheaper than having any other mode of transport. it can be parked easily, doesn't cost much to maintain, takes very little space and as long as you drive it safely it will cause much less damage in an accident. Yes high powered bicycles can be really dangerous and are often used by criminals, but the criminals use night venues and bars as well to do illicit business. You don't see any restrictions on people using these venues, but there are restrictions on using high powered bicycles. Yes we own the bicycles, but there are hundreds of stolen ones on the streets as well, so ownership cannot be regulated easily and recovery of stolen ones is almost impossible. Putting limits on everyone however and refusing to make them legal is also not a solution and is doing a lot more harm. There are people that can benefit greatly from owning a high powered bicycle and they are much more environmental and budget friendly than cars or mopeds and even city transport.
(Criminals use all types of vehicles to suit their needs so there’s nothing new there), However I would like to meet a habitual criminal that is also interested in the environment and clean air etc ha ha!
Of all the bank robberies in the last twenty years here, i can safely tell you that not a single one has every been committed with an e-bike as the getaway vehicle...
Thats great but what about the ridiculous Tax on imported ebikes 6% Third country Duty plus 17.2% Countervailing duty plus 62.1% Anti dumping duty plus tax on tax of 20% vat. A grand total of 122.4% tax on top of the cost of the bike and the cost of shipping. All to protect a non existent Uk Ebike manufacturing sector.
I have an original 27 year old Sinclair Zita unit fitted to my pushbike. It is operated by pushing a lever: no cadence sensors in those days! More knowledgeable people than me say that due to its age it is road-legal. This must surely be the FIRST UK legal throttle Ebike.
You need to get over the the USA and ride some of the bikes here, even my Class 2 that many think is insipid is more powerful that that one, and does 20mph on the throttle.
That bike fully meets the L1e-A category. The other points the rider needs to know are: the rider needs a motorcycle helmet. it’s subject to VED, MoT and insurance. It needs to be registered and carry a number plate and you need to have a Motorbike license or have passed your CBT… so while the bike is fine, how legal was your ride?
The thing I really struggle getting an answer to is will it fit in an estate car? A van yes, but estate cars have smaller silly doors. This is where I get to use the word aperture in its traditional sense. I struggle to get even a normal bike through the aperture to gain access to my estate cars copious interior space. It's okay for a shopping bag but not a big stretchy bike. I need dimensions to get through the "access hole" (That's why someone invented the word aperture} because if you put this in your car at home and then take it to Private land, even council owned private land, somewhere you walk your dog type of private land, you could get a 1000 watt one and the police couldn't touch you as long as it goes back in your car to take it home and never sees the public road. So will it fit in an Audi A4? Or do I need to buy a van in order to buy a bike that is road illegal but legal to rag about in open countryside? At this rate I need to buy a van in order to get a powerful bike and also move to Scotland for the fun rough stuff free of coppers. And I'd probably get arrested for a hate crime somehow if I did that.
Is an electric bike with a throttle and top speed of 40kph (25mph) legal to ride if the rider has a full Motorcycle licence, a legal helmet and insurance?
Hi. Thanks fir your review. I am thinking of getting the E-Cruiza next year but I'm only 5 feet 3, I think you said in another video that you are 5 feet 10, your leg is quite stretched out when you've stopped, so I'm six inches shorter than you, do you think it would be to high for me? Thank you. Kevin
The legislation to me reads that this e-bike with or without DVSA approval is still a Q class light moped and requires registering . Formal DVSA approval is simply a prelude to the next step ie registration as a sub 15.5mph with a throttle. So.... has this been tested in court?..... No. I didnt think so.
A technical comment about the video. The video quality would be better if it was edited at the same frame rate as the original from the camera. Very good audio quality for a radio mic you wear, better than most on TH-cam.
I had an ebike many years ago with a push throttle, bought it out of a cycle shop. I don't think we even realised that it was illegal as the first one I rode was in Europe before they changed the regulations. The one thing that put me off ebikes in the end though was the 250 watt motor which is absolutely useless in hilly Bath. I still don't understand how some countries think that it's OK to have 500W motors and a lot 250W motors that are useless on hills. I thought we were trying to encourage eco transport?
I live in Scotland, 250W motor on my 2 grand ebike is a joke. 15.5 mph is too low and motor is too weak for assisting on bigger climbs. If you allowed slightly more powerful ebikes on the market , people would not modify them. You don`t have these restrictions in EU. Uk is such a nanny state
wisper ebikes have had a throttle uk legal to there bikes for a couple of years now and fully type aproved buy the dvsa, my 11 year old haibike does 40mph on the flat
Absolutely love this bike…however the battery capacity would give me journey anxiety, which is a shame. The bike is lovely and just what I’ve been looking for in the UK.
That Pedibal E-Cruiza is majorly cool! Not as cool as the NewGen (RIP) but still, it would probably carry me, which is a bonus! Now if Pedibal wanted to be even cooler, a Metallic Orange frame ... The Navigator is the one that makes most sense for a commuter ... at 19 kg ... and it looks very elegant in white!
This looks great just what I was looking for, need a bike to commute to work but has been so hard finding a fun cruiser at a decent price without going into high end mountain bike territory.
15 year's back i had a electric motor scooter when they were just coming out , 250w / 15mph - had a police car head across the road head on trying to ram me off the bike because he thought it was a moped scooter and i wasn't wearing a helmet so he assumed it was stolen - MASSIVE shock for him when he found it was a legal electric bike ....But they were rare on the streets back then . But the look was the problem , how long before they start looking like a actual motorcycle again once they get established ...
something that I would still be concerned about is even if it is type approved, the display on these bikes show the wattage, and from the video it definitely peaks higher than 250w, in the unlikely event that they wanted to test the bike out they would easily see that it has a higher maximum output, maybe it would of been better if these didn't show the wattage
@@IanDarley that’s the thing about uk ebike laws that are so vague, at the moment it states ‘maximum power output’ but it really needs to be updated to continuous otherwise some plod might do you for just reading the wattage on the bike
Lots of shop bought mid-drive ebikes are delivering almost 900W going up hills. This 250W rating is purely whether the motor will run at 250W not its limit. I know it sounds stupid writing that but that is the state of the EU certification. I think it was just made overly complicated to give European manufacturers an advantage. Cyrusher now does 250W stickered ebikes with hub motors of 750W. It's unbelievable awful certification from the EU that makes no sense. Madness to rate the wattage of the motor itself when it is the controller that dictates how much power the motor is given. The controller should have the rating not the motor. A direct drive hub motor can operate at 200W to about 3000W (the very same motor). You can label it 250W, 500W, 1000W, 2000W and 3000W its just ridiculous. 250W is only 7A at 36V or 5A at 48V but a Bosch controller is somewhere around 22-25A inside the motor assembly on its most powerful so called 250W motors.
@@bonzobanana1 I agree it's like saying that a 75hp engine in a car could make 150hp if you fit a turbo. You can overdrive or under drive an electric motor, it's all about how much power push through it.
All 250w motors output more wattage. The word is 'nominal'. The motor is designed to survive running at 250W all day long, but you can put a lot of power temporarily through a motor to deliver better acceleration. As long as it's generally running at around 250w then it's fine
Only in England would there be a system requiring individual bikes to be approved, instead of a representative example. What a nonsense.
UK Ministers are debating this now, the feasibility of doubling the motor power to 500w and making throttles legal without type approval.
@@IOOoo0000ooOOI Yes, I did respond positively to the survey. My point is that it is nonsensical (under current legislation) not to have a type approval. For the DSA to test every one of a series production is just bureaucratic nonsense, which we in the UK are really good at!
I agree, pointless red tape for something that would be beneficial for those with mobility issues... let's hope we get good news from this new consultaion.@@rigilchrist
@@IOOoo0000ooOOII hope it won't come out a result of a new license and insurance required.
No it’s in the Eu. It was the Eu who decided that these bikes needed type approval. Since brexit, we decided to keep the type approval requirement, however, the dft are now i consultation to change this. Given that type approval isn’t possible in the EU, these kind of bikes are still illegal over there. However, given that type approval is possible for the uk via the DVsA approval route, they are perfectly legal here :)
A loophole for mobility impaired people is so needed. For someone with early arthritis or chronic fatigue an e-bike with throttle is a lifesaver.
Having a throttle E bike is the only way I would be to ride a bike with my kids, but seeing the amount of hassle it would be to actually get one in the UK, I don't think I'm ever going to get to go for a ride with them before they get too old and are leaving for University.
@@bluechang08 would you ever consider getting one and riding one illegally? (Owning one isn’t illegal, riding it in public is)
@@borninthewoods4482 I don't know, maybe. My only concern by doing it illegally is any potential implications for trouble with my driving licence as I need that to get around places further afield along with my wife and kids.
Even better, My mobility scooter has a button to start and magnetic brakes to stop
My mum has fibromyalgia and has a throttle ebike. It's never been a problem no one's ever questioned it. There is a Thai lady round here who has for years rode an older ebike with throttle and she is still riding it so I doubt she's had an issue. I live in a quiet Suffolk town and police will literally pick on you for anything because they have nothing better to do and no one seems to care.
To be fair it's not an achievement to have made this bike legal. It's a problem that this is illegal in the first place.
It's not a loophole. It just proves a specific ebike meets the criteria set out by the standard. There's nothing to stop anyone else putting their existing throttle ebike through an SVA test. All the information is available. Even a more powerful ebike can be put through an SVA test and ridden as a moped, scooter or motorcycle. It's all possible and could work out cheaper than buying and electric moped or scooter from the outset. People build their own cars and motorcycles, so why not?
Facts. Andy kirby has an old video on how to do exactly that.
A Kitcar....bike...
@@Kumari_44what’s the video called? Thanks
@@bigzybinc ‘registering an ebike as a motorcycle’ & ‘road legal ebike tested’ 👍🏽
its worth mentioning though that if you get your ebike SVA certified as a moped or motorbike, then you can no longer ride it in cycle lanes... which in my opinion defeats the point of owning an ebike (there is an arguement for it being more environmentally friendly yes) as you can no longer take the shortcuts or scenic routes. You may as well just own a moped/motorbike at that point as they will go much faster and do not need to through the hassle/cost of getting certified for road use
So many people cycling around illegally, do the police ever check?
I was in Leicester during the week and the city centre is plagued with fast food delivery guys speeding around on electric bikes, very few are using pedals and no way they are restricted to 15.5 mph.
Checks are nearly impossible; a hard and fast crime is a marked motor wattage of over 250W, no pedal-assist, or a speed over 15.5mph. It's very easy to re-mark a motor as being a lower wattage than it really is, knowing if a bike truly has pedal-assist is only done by riding it (although granted, if it has no pedals - dead giveaway!), and the average bobby can't run at more than about 7mph (or 5.5mph after lunchtime).
Solving the problem would be a case of overhauling public and private transport as well as pedestrianism; at the end of the day I'd rather we had the technology and used it safely than banned it and forced its users to therefore be always-unsafe. No government wants to bother with that though, so they're just kinda ignoring the issue as long as there are bigger problems to deal with.
Same with hot-boy motorists..
@@segue2ant395 it’s really no different to anyone running around in an uninsured vehicle. The chances of being stopped are probably millions to one.
wow how awful, wait til you hear about the 10s of thousands of people cars kill every year
Lets be logical here. On basic numbers alone. Do you really think police have that much manpower or time to stop THAT many riders on 1000w+ ebikes. It would be the absolute biggest waste of police resources ever! And even if they could, and they took all the powerfull bikes off the road. For as little as £600 you could just build yourself another 1000w ebike and be right back at it again. Its not even worth pursuing them. And The police know this better than anyone.
I'm an old guy, getting rolling before I have both feet on the pedals is key, before wobbling and falling off, LOL.
Your can get throttle assist upto walking speed without this testing, which solves the getting going issue.
Regular e-bikes of the more premium mid-mounted motor kind usually has a torgue sensor that starts giving you power just by pushing down on one pedal from a standstill (with one foot still on the ground).
Unlike the cheaper wheel-mounted motors which may only have a cadence sensor, aka they only gives you power after you get the cranks turning a bit.
@@Erafune
The key words premium ... they can be a lot more expensive and if you have health problems bad knees etc bad ones are no use.
The other is buying a dedicated electric bike when you have one or more existing quality bikes sized to fit or already kitted
out for cargo, touring or other duties you have big problems and added expenses converting.. if you have a motor in wheel kit you can swap it between same size wheel bikes and control it from a throttle ..like a MC.. you can always restrict top speed incase the car drivers stuck in traffic get too angry and try running you down or belting past you then turning across you at the next junction.
There's also no way of running a pusher cargo or kiddie trailer that can otherwise be swapped between multiple bikes and do multiple jobs ..and also removed and still left behind...the most logical solution, if you want or need to leave the wt bulk or risk of a Epower system behind all you do is unhitch and unplug the trailer...and a throttle controller display unit.
The Germans even offer a wireless throttle system and integrated display.
But that would be too helpful and cut the manufacturers out of a third of the market...and the Premium price tags..that 60% of bicycle 🚲 users could never afford . So how about increasing the Wattage allowance ...you can still cap speed ...so larger people and busy people can get small kids to nurseries and schools and get heavy loads home using the many bikes we have already. 🙄 To stop the waste and limit the pollution of producing more bikes that often cannot be ridden really when they are flat or develope a fault.. and you cannot get replacement parts for once the manufacturers chang their model specs every two or three years. Oh yes that's what they learned from the Auto trade. 🤷🏻♂️🧙🏼♂️
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 Fiido have throttle and non-torque sensor motors - and are cheap if you’re willing to wait a few weeks-month for delivery.
I got a 750w T2 long tail from them. It accelerates like crazy if you want, but I usually have the baba on board so don’t use it in any mode other than eco (it’s has a rocket mode that’ll take you from 0-30mph in about 5 seconds)
I spoke to local law here in Scotland and they said, verbatim: “what? That restriction stuff is only the MET, and only for folk riding like fannies, stealing shit …”
The best part about a throttle on these little ebikes is that at a complete stop at an intersection is that it gets you OUT of the way of cars at the intersection. The cars are not waiting for the rider getting frustrated waiting for "that damn bike", We zip into the bike lane in better control, out of the way, no wobble. You know how rider and bikes wobble at the start? Which aggravates the car driver... I bet you do a study proving that the throttle, going up to 15-18mph in a smooth fashion may actually change the law? Its safer for sure. Cheers.
As long as cyclist follows the highway code, which as we know, majority does not. We already have illegal vehicles on the road, so this is not a game changer (at least in London) police doesn't do anything about anything anymore, except car drivers as they are easiest target...and perhaps social media police.
@@AndyPandy33 The highway code that says Cyclists have priority over cars?
Which as we know, you probably don't.
@@smeghead666 You missed the point I was making and are projecting now. I drive for a living and could have a debate with a willing people, you are not willing to have a debate though, you just want to project. Good riddance.
You mean the same code that says cyclists do NOT have priority over pedestrians?@@smeghead666
@@AndyPandy33 i ride on the pavements so i dont get run over by divvy road users
As you just demonstrated, no loophole is needed, because Dibble doesn't give a stuff. If you want extra security, wear a puffa jacket with a DeliverEats bag on your back, don't have any lights and ride with your mobile phone in your hand. Then you can blast your 750W Allegro electric motorcycle at 30mph on pavements without anyone blinking twice. There's no point in being legal when criminality is never sanctioned.
All good until someone walks into your path and gets injured, regardless of who is to blame, if you're on something illegal, it makes things difficult for you, also difficult for future changes in legislation, people love to hate cyclists!
Not forgetting the two battery's duck tapped to the frame 😂
Deliveroo or Drugeroo? Can you tell?
@@shardlake
Difficult only if the cyclist STOPS
the person who hit me 3 years ago did not.
It’s marvellous the legal require mental and the only difference is that it will move without you peddling, as for speed it doesn’t go as fast as someone can pedal it, granted a bit more energy but if you can pedal at 40mph your legal do do so in a 40 zone, and as it maybe bicycles are rarely doing those speeds there’s no telling when an accident can happen at 40 or at 4 mph, otherwise they wouldn’t be accidents if we new they were going to happen it would be sort of premeditated, so I think the main criteria should be brakes after all throttle or not to make it go along is more dangerous if you can’t stop, just my rant on the farces of the law
I've got MS, and this could be great to get me back outdoors, where a traditional pedal bike is too much for my leg weakness.
Thats why i hope for you (and one of my family members, who lost 1 leg) the consultation is passed changing the power limit to 500w is needed for hills if you allow throttle only, the 250w will not do any hills without pedal assitance.(ive tested it for my cousin trying to get one of these dvsa throttle approved bikes)
At 18 I was "diagnosed" with epilepsy and so lost my driving licence, I took to cycling and enjoyed the freedom it gave me as my diagnosis lost me my job too, I loved cycling but in 2001 I was diagnosed with something called Ménière's disease, it causes vertigo, deafness and tinnitus, most people don't have all three but I do (that's beside the point), the last time I rode a bike was 2009 (life got in the way after that) but I want to get back to cycling again and this seems like a possibility for me, I don't have epilepsy as first thought, but I would like to know more about an e-bike (for getting away without falling off at junctions etc) but the rest I am happy to peddle with the assistance when needed thanks to age getting the better of me now and not having the strength which I used to have.
@@chrisshelley3027 Good luck Chris on your e-bike journey! Hopefully we can both find some success and enjoyment on these new breed of bikes. I’m currently using an indoor spin bike to build up some leg strength to prepare myself for these bikes.
@@msagoo29 Hi, I have my bike, I'm not looking for financial assistance especially (though a little would help) I'm wanting the laws/rules to change with regard to people like ourselves who need that small change at certain points whilst riding, such as getting away at junctions and just getting started from the curb, I'm not looking to be travelling at 40 MPH without peddling, a change in the laws to make it safe and therefore easier to get out and be as fit as possible under the circumstances, sadly it seems to be too much to ask currently, but we'll see hopefully.
If you already have a blue badge status you should be able to get a mobility allowance that would pay for one of these..
The uk do not like us being happy in any way
Thats why i dont follow UK laws
EU laws
@firstman No it's UK laws you're allowed fuckin ebikes in the mainland ya donut
Literally
Wisper eBikes already do this with their Full Throttle option. They get every eBike individually type approved with the DVLA so you can use the throttle up to 15.5 mph without pedalling. It costs about £300 extra.
Yep. Was literally just thinking this myself.
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In austria there are no extra cost for anything as long its limited to 25 km/h.
Also, since our police is more realistic, they dont even care about fast e-bikes or scooters as long we are driving normally.
Because of that, i can enjoy a "powerful" (1000W, 2000W peak) scooter which goes up to 45 km/h and its even cheap (600€ new), unlike the "strong" legal scooters which are mostly super expensive.
Yeah it's a moped.
Thanks for that. This video is just too long and I didn't make it to the big reveal.
This could help me so much with my mobility issues, i appreciate u going into detail in that area
With no seat height adjustment, it needs to be throttle controlled.
It would like pedalling a bmx bike only 5 times heavier if the battery ran out.
But its a pretty cool looking piece of transport.
Valid point, as you alluded to this style of Cruisa frame and design provides a more relaxed ride, and the ride position certainly differs to that of a standard road cycle so the optimum riding experience is compromised, although can be ridden unassisted via the standard gears, certainly benefits from a good battery performance for an effortless ride
Got my Cruiza last week, it's great for commuting, the throttle comes into it's own after a long day at work, i was lucky and mark had my bike already approved, only took a few days to arrive in scotland. great bikes, great company.
@@HunkumSpunkum rude
@@HunkumSpunkum you might be talking of the fast food delivery ebikers… otherwise sweeping spammy spunky clap trap 🤪
@@HunkumSpunkumBack off you arrogant person.
Great to hear you share your personal experience more so that it performs to your expectations
Yes!! This is awesome! Ride on my dude 😎
My electric bike has a twist throttle and was built in the 80s would you believe. It was a prototype designed for towing stuff round an airport. It's got modern batteries and can go about 15 mph.
The issue with this is, the government is currently considering the legality of using the throttle for use above the 3.7mph ish max speed and raising the speed limit above the current 15.5mph but if they are going to make money from individuals or company applying for the legality of these then they won’t change anything.
So is it legal now to have a throttle on your ebike as long as you don't use it to go over 3.7mph?
@ as long as the throttle power cuts off once you’ve reached the 3.7mph/6kph then yes
All E-bikes, that were made before 1st Jan. 2016. that has a throttle control, are legal. I used to own a 2015 Oxygen Hybrid E-Bike, with the l throttle. The engine cut out at 15.5mph. 😊
You can easily unlock the speed to its full 24mph which i highly recommend. You need that extra speed for hills
True, great point.
Interestingly enough you can also have one if you covert a pedal bike to an ebike. It bypasses the entire type approval required thing (which is how the bike in the video has legal throttle). As long as it’s 250w 15mph cutout you’re good to go.
General requirements - EAPC classification
The EAPC regulations[footnote 1] as amended[footnote 2] set out the requirements that EAPCs must satisfy if they are not to be treated as motor vehicles when used on roads in GB - i.e. do not need to be licensed and registered etc. The requirements are the:
cycle must be fitted with pedals that are capable of propelling it.
maximum continuous rated power of the electric motor must not exceed 250 Watts.
electrical assistance must cut-off when the vehicle reaches 15.5 mph
(Note: the previous limit on motor power for bicycles and the restrictions on weight, and the number of wheels an EAPC may have, were removed on 6 April 2015).
An EAPC which complies with the above is not considered to be a motor vehicle within the meaning of the ‘Road traffic regulation act 1984’ and the ‘Road traffic act 1988’. As a result, it is not required to be registered or subject to vehicle excise duty (road tax), and does not have to be insured as a motor vehicle. However, EAPCs must not be ridden by anyone under the age of 14 years[footnote 3].
Power assistance - “Twist and Go”
Because of the particular benefits for elderly and disabled users, pedal cycles providing electrical assistance without use of the pedals - usually called “Twist and Goes” - are included in the above GB classification provided they are capable of pedal operation and comply with the above restrictions on maximum motor power and assistance cut-off speed.
However, under European law[footnote 4] new “Twist and Go” vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads.
This will normally be established by “type approval” at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved.
So what's all the secret info about that they can not tell us about?
All true read same on Government website
twist and go cannot exceed 3.4mph
nope not if made before 2016@@dcd231
@@TCBOT actually yes its called grandfather rights already been stopped by police and proved them wrong too
My MiRider with 250w motor and throttle requires no effort but pedals do need to turn for throttle to work up to 15.5mph. Great mode of transport 👍
It's a really handy feature for getting away quickly at the traffic lights!
Sound similar to the e skoota
I love seeing your bike on your videos. Orange baby!
If you convert an existing bike or build your own from parts then you can have a throttle legally, because the law only refers to bikes that are manufactured for sale not DIY or conversions.
I prefer e-bikes that are more alike traditional bikes in terms of design and geometry. Those more motorcycle alike e-bike invites you to throttle. Would be nice to see some e-bike with thumb throttle as the ones we get with quadricycles, in a ebike with a invinting geometry to pedal.
There's definitely a dividing line somewhere between e-bicycle and e-motorcycle.
Unfortunately all those e-motorbike riders acting as if theirs is a bicycle, whilst having kilowatts of power, are ruining it for everybody else.
As a uk motorcyclist we call it a twist grip as opposed to the thumb throttle, I own 20 motorcycles one of which is the electric victory empulse TT. Keep safe, 2 wheels = freedom😊
Thumb throttle is smaller and way better
Its still 250 watt motor so its ideal as a peddle assist, having a hand throttle means the battery will have reduced range also peddles will still be needed for hills . As a senior I prefer peddle assist for health benefits, using a hand throttle the humble bike becomes a moped .
Mine goes 33 mph. Police have seen me loads over the last 2 years and no problems. I got stopped on my electric skateboard but that was advice about visibility for car drivers to see me.
The bikes great only 900!
Which one goes over 30? Mine goes to 24 max
*Heard companies doin this per individual ebike,* well done to them!
⚡️👏🏽👏🏽👌🏽👌🏽⚡️
Good-lookin ebikes too!
Yes he didn’t say the cost of certification but I guess it’s similar to an MOT?
Every kid in the 1970's wanted to fit an engine to their Raleigh Chopper. With the E Cruiza that dream appears to finally be a reality 🙂
Having no seat height adjustment would be a big no for me as I like to pedal and put effort in.
Well that's okay not every bike is for everyone! Their folding bike also comes with an additional throttle if you prefer
@@ElectroheadsI agree with you, but it does make a cruiser an odd choice when you only have two models, IMO. *shrug*
No you’re not supposed to. You’d be better- off fitting a front “power assist” pack to your existing bike if you still want to exercise/pedal your bike..
@@philtucker1224 Why would you be better off doing that? Electric conversions void bike warranties, for one. It would have poor weight distribution compared to a purpose-built mid-drive e-bike for another. They're more prone to failure, since the bike isn't engineered for the extra weight and other stresses for a third. What advantage are you pointing to?
@@ScrapKing73 all of those reasons you have stated are very minor and relatively unimportant. The advantage of adding the ( very popular) power assist packs are that they are far cheaper than a whole new bike purchase and allow you to keep your favourite regularly used bike.
fair play to the company going through the whole registration process. Hope it doesn't bankrupt the business and the e bikes don't increase in price
They're a good bunch!
To be fair I think the inspection/ certification process does levy a small charge ..
@philtucker1224 there is a charge £45 for first inspection then £15 for a reinspection after if unsuccessful
@@SirLordCustardthe10th Pedibal then add £100 to that £45 so total they are charging for bike with certificate is £145 more than their bike without a certificate.
Hi, This is great news for me, I'm in my 70's and basically my lungs a re knackered and I can't walk very far, so riding a bike is out of the question. I fly a drone and live in Cumbria and have been looking for this type of bike, which must fold so I can get it in the boot of my car to get to some out of the way places up some tracks. As I said there is no way I would attempt to try and walk up even a slight incline and some of the places are about 3/4 mile to where I would fly my drone. Would the folding version do the job, the max distance would be about 1 1/2 miles round trip and could I do it without having to pedal at all. Thanks.
Definitely worth shooting Pedibal an email to talk about options. The Navigata (folding bike) will have enough range, but you need to talk to them about the degree of inclines and also how much you weigh as both will impact the pushing power of the motor.
Yes very true but have you also seen those little monkey bikes that fit into a car boot? A lot of hire-car delivery people use them to return to base when dropping off a hire car to a customer..
Your lungs are knackered David because of all the ciggys you've smoked over the years.
The fact that the builder has to certify every single one separately really tells you how silly the ebike law is! Even in Belgium they have throttle and up to 1000 Watt (that's Bafang H550, for example) exempted upon type-approval. Simply because Belgium was the wisest EU country and essentially merged L1e-A vehicles with official EAPCs (as long as the top speed is 25 kph).
Yes, but for many years Belgium has had a class of low speed mopeds (brommerfiets) so it was easy for them to fit EAPCs into their existing legal framework as brommerfiets.
@@nickwinn7812 Not exactly, because bromfiets correspond to L1e-B class, same as everywhere else for decades. It was in 2013 that the EU law 168/2013 had created L1e-A and L1e-B classes. And Belgium was smart enough to merge L1e-A with ebikes (EAPCs exemped from the law) for practical purposes (no mandatory insurance and helmet, no licence plate and free to ride wherever ebikes can go).
It's not to say that this is an ideal situation by itself - merely more managable. The goal is to exclude L1e-A class from the type-approval regime, not having the bikes homologated under that regime... so they can be excluded.
I got 2 fat tire folding ebikes in the USA & took the chainring & chain off. Disconnected the cadence sensor & put a crank arm with both pedal hanging down as foot pegs swinging free. Just use thumb throttles & the cops could care less.
I think you mean "could NOT care less".
@@manolisgledsodakis873 Yes, that makes it sound like they are a little bit interested.
Love it! I really wish they would get realistic with the standards. Too many are virtually forced to game their bikes to throttle, and then they don't think twice about gaming them to go too fast. Actually riding car speed on city streets is much safer than having vehicles fly by, but a bike not build to spec hitting a pothole at speed spells a massive increase in the chance of disaster. It's also obvious that those with disabilities or other issue need throttle assist more than 4mph. Can't wait to see the folder version.
Jumping through so many hoops and at all times increasing the cost of the bike while more money goes to the DVSA. Such a messed up system we have here in the UK. Remember the electric scooter trial that they are still dragging out?
If the assisted speed limit is up to 15 or so MPH then throttle assistance to 15 MPH shouldn't be an issue. Great video.
Yes I don't see what difference it makes if somebody's legs are going around or not.
My MiRider GB3 has a throttle, and as long as you’re moving your legs in a pedalling motion, it will push you along at 15.5mph
That's right! If you're pedalling you can go up to 15.5mph with the throttle - a handy addition to zip away at the traffic lights
seems pointless, you can hit 15.5mph with pedalling any ebike, therefore the throttle is just for the sake of it if it doesnt work independently
Mines about 10 years old which was before they released the "no throttle" rule.
It's still pedelec but you can use it as throttle only.
Shame the thing is now falling apart !
I bought my ebike in 2011. It has a throttle that takes you up to about 15 mph and it is legal. So yours is not the first and neither was mine for that matter. Being able to ride an ebike without pedaling became illegal in 2016 I think. Bikes manufactured with a throttle before that date are still legal.
That 250 watt motor has not got the torque needed imo. They already know that heavy bikes and heavy riders need at least 60nm to go up hills no pedalling so are debating this issue. If you live on a hill then wait for/buy the 500w motor.
If you use a hub motor, you are right about steeper inclines being an issue. Get a an ebike with a crank motor for hill climbing.
True but as with your old pedal bike you would need to just get off and push it to the top of the hill. If like me you are past that then you’d need to get a proper E-bike but then it has to be registered and insured etc.
Easy fix so long as long as a person isnt too overweigh.
1. Keep the 250w motor for legality.
2. Get a controller that supports a 48v/52v battery.
3. Get a 48v or 52v battery. The bike should go from 15mph to around 27mph with the 48v battery. And up to around 30mph with the 52v battery.
You will finally be safe in traffic! Instead of always being in potential danger.
@@johnnyfearlesszrx is that like a mid drive motor?
We agree with you. If the motor is only 250w at 48v on this bike then we are surprised if it's really 80Nm like they have stated?
I bought my wife an Hitway BK16. Ironically I fitted a throttle to it to make it more manageable On pedal assist the motor goes from 0 to max. No in between on any PAS level. The throttle can be used to start the bike slowly which isn’t possible with the pedals. Hitway tell me this is normal!!🤔
Yeah its not LEGAL YET!
Applies to England, Scotland and Wales
Summary
Seeks views on proposed changes to the regulations on electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs or e-cycles).
This consultation closes at
11:59pm on 25 April 2024
Consultation description
The government proposes 2 changes to the regulations on electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs or e-cycles):
to amend the legal definition of EAPCs, so that the maximum continuous power output of the electric motor is 500 watts instead of 250 watts
to allow ‘twist and go’ EAPCs to have throttle assistance up to 15.5mph (25km/h) without the need for type approval
This consultation asks:
for your views on the proposed changes
about any benefits or risks you think the changes may have
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How they got 2 certificates from DVSA I'd like to know since the ruling of the outcome hasn't even been decided yet!
Wrong, this has type approval.
4 very senior adventurous e cyclists with throttle assist explained how their lives had changed immensely with their bikes. They went everywhere by bike but explained there are times they need to use public roads and some have very large intersections. With their physical limitations they would have difficulty scurrying across such intersections pedalling and going through the gears to pick up speed. With the throttle they could get to speed quickly with little disruption to motorised vehicles and get through the intersection much quicker and safer.
Laws are overlooking situations like this.
I also have a pedal assist e-bike and on my commute into the city, riding at 25kph on a major cycle lane, I get passed by 99% of cyclists riding regular bikes.
The laws really need updating.
I haven't got a throttle on my ebike and I don't want one, what I do want is enough power to get up the hills and where I live even 750w bikes struggle
750w stock should be more than enough for someone who isnt overweight. But if so, then its an easy fix. just upgrade the controller and battery voltage for more power & torque.
A 48v or 52v battery on a dual volt controller that supports both voltages should see your problem solved. Easy peasy.
@@Kumari_44 Thanks 😉
Suspension=absorbtion of forward momentum=reduced range. Fat tyres=increased rolling resistance=reduced range😢
I’m confused as I have a certificate stating that my my 750 watt throttled whisper bike is Road legal for 15 mph so why is this the first ?
No it’s not (unless you have undergone the same inspection and certification process and been awarded a DVLC vin number) - as described in the video. Speed must also be strictly limited to 15.5 mph evidently (even though your is three times more powerful than that?) what are your thoughts?🤔
It isn't the first. Wisper have been doing them for a long time.
It's a click-bait video.
Yours sounds like it is not a low power moped at >250W, so you need insurance, registration etc. When our Govt gets off their useless butts and start regulating properly, it could one for confiscate + crush if used illegally.
Whisper ebikes have effectively done this for years. Pay an extra £100 and they get your new (Whisper) ebike certified, full throttle allowed (up to 15.5mph).
On other bikes full throttles are allowed so long as they work through the pedal assist system. Instant power upto 6kmh then if you are turning the pedals full power to 15.4mph. Rad power on their 250w bikes use this system, but not now easily available. Woosh ebikes have produced some bikes like this also. Don't know why they are not much more common.
A moped has always been legal up to 50cc on a provisional license right?
Provisional licence and a CBT certificate valid for two years yes after the age of 16 but you also need a crash helmet tax and insurance on top to be fully legal
Upto 125cc
Its sick how this channel gets 0 views without her, bikes are so boring yet I'm still entertained
Always 0 views before posting ?🤔
I don't understand this as clearly states in the ebike law the throttle MUST Cut-out at 3.6mph and its only for use with older folk and people who have difficulty in pushing the crank round to 4mph to kick in the motor on take off! I myself have just applied for such approval! Having a disability with my leg so i need to apply for permission to add the throttle and must cut out at 3.6mph then i can pedel and kick the motor in at 4mph! I would have this double checked it just sounds like it's been a mix up! According to the law anyway it's still illegal
Watch from 12:50 😄
I have to disagree with you with those tyres try cycling along a muddy tow path they do slide around
I think you might be confusing them with mobility scooters ( that are designed mainly for use on pathways?)..
It's explained in the video, and unless you are a lawyer do not tell people what the law is.
Hi from Australia I have an e-bike that gets me around where I want to go. It also has peddle assist GPS tracking and a lock alarm with 8 shockies yeah so I like it very much the thing is it has no blinkers to turn left or right they need to put these in the making of future bikes. Mine also goes the distance of 60 km and can speed up to 45 km and we don't need to go through road tests to make it legal
Sounds like theBrits need a little freedom.
Were an enslaved people. Always have been. Thing is, the average Brit is not only aware of his chains; he actively enjoys wearing them.
Iv been using my Iretta 2 here in Finland for around 2 years now and its basically the same bike with only no throttle, and i enjoy using it even if im 183 cm tall.
I have one that predates the law and is fully legal, it is getting old now though
what one do you have if you dont mind me asking?
@@benglasgow an old Freego which was produced prior to te pedelec laws (around 2015 I believe)
2 grand with a 614wh battery.
loads of high power throttle e bikes with big motors and extra batteries can be found at fast food places, they do far more than 15 mph
Yes but if over 250 watts they are classed as electric motorcycles (which are a completely different classification etc..)
@@philtucker1224 flouted by fast food deliveries ,and a.blind eye turned by police
And police will never have the time or man power to do anything about it. Even if they did. 15mph on roads that have a minimum of 20mph (which most drivers often go faster than) isnt safe.
Im not saying ebikes should be out here flying at 40mph. But 15mph is a death sentence when riding in traffic. Thats why most ebike riders either build more powerfull ebikes, or overvolt their 250w motors so that they can hit closer to 30mph and actually be safe on the road.
@@Kumari_44 they have plenty of time.for people taking photos of buildings and factories or Christian preachers
Who cares. 15mph on the road with cars is not safe.
Thats definitely not a 250w motor but sureeee
the motor is a bafang go60/62, these are rated at peaks of 750w/1kw, so dvla will type approve any bike as long as it has a speed limiter.
The Bafang on this model is GO60 250D motor rated at 48v 250w 80Nm which not only is UK compliant but offers a good performance😀
@@pedibal you aint getting 80nm from just 250w mate, the motor peaks at 750w.
Little electric Skateboards are still illegal here in the backwards UK LOL.
Yes vehicle legislation is so delayed and backlogged in parliament it will probably be years before the U.K. laws catch up so don’t hold your breath!
They don’t want people to have free transportation,that’s why the current laws on PEVs are a shambles,and that’s why most people just do their own thing.
As somebody with many different injuries, over time everything gets harder, my e-bike is a life saver for me to get about.
I agree with you, they are a life saver for people with injuries, I got my E - bike to commute to work and back but I've been going out at weekends really enjoying nice relaxing bike rides
and not getting warn out or sweaty!
I still have a car but I use my bike instead.
Gotta avoid that chafing on the lower extremities! 😅
Right?! 🤣
Just put mudguard covering the rear of the front wheel, and an adjustable seat it does effect your joints, on a motorcycle it’s uncomfortable taller riders when they can’t get a longer fit, and do the handle bars adjust too.
Sadly these bikes do not meet the requirements of the Road Traffic Act. As such they cannot be used on any UK road.
They got a pass so they can?
Not till they meet the RTA.
Yes they do, and it's explained in the video how and why. Stop being so ridiculously stupid
Not a loophole, it is the law for sellers in the UK and EU. Private citizens can convert to add a throttle and do not need type approval.
Nice that seat looks comfy
And the bikes.
Giggity !!!
For most people, I don’t understand the advantage of having to hold a button, as opposed to a system where you gently turn the pedals to keep the motor engaged. Surely that’s an even better loophole, as it didn’t require individual units to be approved?
I been riding ebike for around a year with pedal and throttle ... It's better to have both.
*Safety!* Pulling out from junctions at a safe speed that wont get you killed by traffic thats often going at least 20mph.
@ScrapKing73
For the same reason you don't want to push start your motorbike when exiting a junction!
@@zed351 What is a "push start" for a motorbike? I've never ridden one. But when exiting an intersection (is that what you mean by "junction"?), a motor and a rider's pedalling together is more powerful than just a motor, so that doesn't seem to be relevant.
@@Kumari_44 A throttle doesn't make a motor more powerful. A motor and a rider propelling the bike together is more powerful than just a motor, so I don't see how a throttle can propel you faster.
Lmao just use whatever bike... And stop being controlled by these control freaks... Ride with common sense and there will be no problem 😂
Yeah but British police...
@@seebarry4068 I ride past police daily they never stop you they don't care enough. I just make sure I pedal when I see them.. sometimes I forget to pedal using throttle only and police are driving behind me they don't do anything lol... Don't allow fear to control your life bud.. just ride with common sense
@@TopskimpChee-fc6zithe police in many cities have random days where they stop scooters and cyclists to check their bikes, and impound everything they can. just depends where you are in the UK and how much of a knob the local management are.
@@jamesnurgle6368 wow it seems like where you are the police are the control freaks I speak of. I don't see why there is a problem if you ain't causing problems. For example being mindful of riding in pedestrian areas etc and taking the same common sense precaution you would asif your on a normal bike.. it literally an electric bike. They need to stop getting there knickers in a twist over them lool it's not the electric bike/ speed which is the problem, it's the people using them without using common sense
Forget these, just look into the Lankeleisi MG740 Plus, it's 2000 Watt, 48 Volt, 20 Amp and actually is a bike. Thank me later
X3000 max Lankeleisi with dual motor insane torque! Just got mine 2 days ago and absolutely loving it !
This reminds me of the Soviet Union where every single typewriter was registerd with specific samples of its type so that who ever wrote out anti gov material could be searched from the typewriter database.
E-bikes in England are limited to 15.5 mph, but this causes safety issues on roads where cars travel at 20 mph or more. Normal bicycles can often exceed this speed on flat or downhill sections, making e-bikes seem slower in comparison. Cyclists are advised to position themselves in the center of the lane (a practice called “taking the lane”) for their own safety, especially if there's no dedicated cycle lane. However, the speed difference often frustrates drivers, resulting in honking, verbal abuse, or dangerous overtaking. This increases risks to the cyclist, as cars may attempt to pass too closely or aggressively.
From my experience, I’ve faced many serious problems riding an e-bike on London roads, as most drivers don’t understand the rules. This frustration forced me to switch back to a normal bike until the law changes to allow 20 miles per hour for e-bikes.
The uk is lost anyway.
for real, they got a whole ass mopeds but bikes are illegal. That don’t make no sense.
The same throttle laws apply for ebikes in Australia, you are allowed a throttle,but limited to 6ks an hour.
Trying to get up hills on a heavier then normal ebike (mine is a t16 bodywel built like a tank from steel)
limited to 250 watts you have to really work your butt to get up them, i think I should have left it another 5 years when hopefully everything will be better
This is exactly the sort of ebike I've been looking for. Since I was 27 (35 years ago), I've had a left leg full of metal and as I've got older, its got harder to bend my knee far enough to pedal. And about 6 years ago I sold my last road bike, as it was impractical for me to pedal any more. We badly need a change in the law to allow those of us with disability to be able to use throttle ebikes. Personally I'd like a cargo bike like the Urban Arrow, but with just a throttle. I also think the 18mph limit for assist is set too low to be safe. It needs to be at least 30mph to keep up with urban traffic. I regularly managed average speeds over 30, when I was fit. And a lot faster than that when downhill gradients and fearless youth were involved! So 30mph seems perfectly reasonable to me. If that means insurance etc then I'm fine with that too. Even a safety test like that for the likes of the Citroen Ami in France for 14 year olds.
Great video, Eilis, good to see the huge smile on your lovely face. The idea of the loophole is brilliant, but the chafing frame thing is weird, not for everyone. This is better than an escooter, it makes people want to get about responsibly without a car. No worries about the police though, they are far too busy sorting out Twitter spats to do look out for people committing crimes! Well done.
I have one it's great at a red stoplight and you don't have to change gears anymore.
Now if all other companies do this. It opens doors.
And shame that the fat tire bike has a small battery pack. Give it hmm 20 to 25AH. I be interested
The illegal high powered bicycles are very often used by criminals, because they cannot be tracked and are very cheap. In general the police looks for dangerous/reckless driving, before they stop you when using electric bicycle. As far as legislation goes, updating the legislation to allow people to use high powered bicycles as a means of transportation will probably never happen, because of the legislators and their understanding.
Using 750-1000 Watt motor in throttle only mode costs 25 pence per 20-24 miles, which is roughly 1£ per 100 miles. Considering the UK has some of the most expensive electricity on the planet it's still cheaper than having any other mode of transport. it can be parked easily, doesn't cost much to maintain, takes very little space and as long as you drive it safely it will cause much less damage in an accident.
Yes high powered bicycles can be really dangerous and are often used by criminals, but the criminals use night venues and bars as well to do illicit business. You don't see any restrictions on people using these venues, but there are restrictions on using high powered bicycles. Yes we own the bicycles, but there are hundreds of stolen ones on the streets as well, so ownership cannot be regulated easily and recovery of stolen ones is almost impossible. Putting limits on everyone however and refusing to make them legal is also not a solution and is doing a lot more harm.
There are people that can benefit greatly from owning a high powered bicycle and they are much more environmental and budget friendly than cars or mopeds and even city transport.
(Criminals use all types of vehicles to suit their needs so there’s nothing new there), However I would like to meet a habitual criminal that is also interested in the environment and clean air etc ha ha!
Of all the bank robberies in the last twenty years here, i can safely tell you that not a single one has every been committed with an e-bike as the getaway vehicle...
How many E bike riders with standard pedelecs that have fitted a thumb throttle travelling at below 20MPH have actually been stopped by Police ?
Thats great but what about the ridiculous Tax on imported ebikes 6% Third country Duty plus 17.2% Countervailing duty plus 62.1% Anti dumping duty plus tax on tax of 20% vat. A grand total of 122.4% tax on top of the cost of the bike and the cost of shipping. All to protect a non existent Uk Ebike manufacturing sector.
I ride my ebike for exercise. PAS is for assistance when needed which could be a strong head wind as well as a couple of road bridges.
I've had my electric bike for about 7 years now and I have a twist grip throttle. this has never been a problem for me.
That doesn't make it legal though. Some people are driving around in their cars without passing a test and it's never been a problem for them .
I have an original 27 year old Sinclair Zita unit fitted to my pushbike. It is operated by pushing a lever: no cadence sensors in those days! More knowledgeable people than me say that due to its age it is road-legal. This must surely be the FIRST UK legal throttle Ebike.
You need to get over the the USA and ride some of the bikes here, even my Class 2 that many think is insipid is more powerful that that one, and does 20mph on the throttle.
Ugh yes PLEASE 🤤
That bike fully meets the L1e-A category. The other points the rider needs to know are: the rider needs a motorcycle helmet. it’s subject to VED, MoT and insurance. It needs to be registered and carry a number plate and you need to have a Motorbike license or have passed your CBT… so while the bike is fine, how legal was your ride?
It's an EAPC, way to miss the point of it!
The thing I really struggle getting an answer to is will it fit in an estate car? A van yes, but estate cars have smaller silly doors. This is where I get to use the word aperture in its traditional sense. I struggle to get even a normal bike through the aperture to gain access to my estate cars copious interior space. It's okay for a shopping bag but not a big stretchy bike. I need dimensions to get through the "access hole" (That's why someone invented the word aperture} because if you put this in your car at home and then take it to Private land, even council owned private land, somewhere you walk your dog type of private land, you could get a 1000 watt one and the police couldn't touch you as long as it goes back in your car to take it home and never sees the public road. So will it fit in an Audi A4? Or do I need to buy a van in order to buy a bike that is road illegal but legal to rag about in open countryside? At this rate I need to buy a van in order to get a powerful bike and also move to Scotland for the fun rough stuff free of coppers. And I'd probably get arrested for a hate crime somehow if I did that.
I think a name change is in order. If someone asks you what make it is and you shout back pedibal, it sounds a bit odd.
Question is, if you get a EAPC certified electric cycle and then after purchase make any changes to it - would it then need to be re-certified?
I would say yes as it’s no longer Eapc tested if it been modified. I suppose it all depends if you seriously injure someone in an accident or not.
Thanks to your channel I just ordered the Pedibal Navigata® Folding Electric Bike with throttle!!!!!!
Is an electric bike with a throttle and top speed of 40kph (25mph) legal to ride if the rider has a full Motorcycle licence, a legal helmet and insurance?
Hi.
Thanks fir your review.
I am thinking of getting the E-Cruiza next year but I'm only 5 feet 3, I think you said in another video that you are 5 feet 10, your leg is quite stretched out when you've stopped, so I'm six inches shorter than you, do you think it would be to high for me?
Thank you.
Kevin
The legislation to me reads that this e-bike with or without DVSA approval is still a Q class light moped and requires registering . Formal DVSA approval is simply a prelude to the next step ie registration as a sub 15.5mph with a throttle.
So.... has this been tested in court?.....
No. I didnt think so.
A technical comment about the video. The video quality would be better if it was edited at the same frame rate as the original from the camera. Very good audio quality for a radio mic you wear, better than most on TH-cam.
Any E-bike with a throttle that goes 15.5mph or have a motor 250w or less is legal anything higher can be registered with the DVSA
I had an ebike many years ago with a push throttle, bought it out of a cycle shop. I don't think we even realised that it was illegal as the first one I rode was in Europe before they changed the regulations. The one thing that put me off ebikes in the end though was the 250 watt motor which is absolutely useless in hilly Bath. I still don't understand how some countries think that it's OK to have 500W motors and a lot 250W motors that are useless on hills. I thought we were trying to encourage eco transport?
Yep hills useless
I live in Scotland, 250W motor on my 2 grand ebike is a joke. 15.5 mph is too low and motor is too weak for assisting on bigger climbs. If you allowed slightly more powerful ebikes on the market , people would not modify them. You don`t have these restrictions in EU. Uk is such a nanny state
wisper ebikes have had a throttle uk legal to there bikes for a couple of years now and fully type aproved buy the dvsa, my 11 year old haibike does 40mph on the flat
Sheffield?
And this is why we have these laws????
Absolutely love this bike…however the battery capacity would give me journey anxiety, which is a shame. The bike is lovely and just what I’ve been looking for in the UK.
Plenty off space for a second battery
@@manoz6194 absolutely… but even more space to enlarge the design of the existing one.
@@HunkumSpunkum thanks, I have, 8 thousand miles…I now like the freedom an electric bike gives me…parks, off road, on road canals and such.
That Pedibal E-Cruiza is majorly cool! Not as cool as the NewGen (RIP) but still, it would probably carry me, which is a bonus! Now if Pedibal wanted to be even cooler, a Metallic Orange frame ... The Navigator is the one that makes most sense for a commuter ... at 19 kg ... and it looks very elegant in white!
@@HunkumSpunkum get your nastiness off our conversation.
@@HunkumSpunkumidiot troll 😅😅😅
@@Alessandro--- Metallic orange would look SO good
This looks great just what I was looking for, need a bike to commute to work but has been so hard finding a fun cruiser at a decent price without going into high end mountain bike territory.
Thanks for your feedback and encouraging words 👍
15 year's back i had a electric motor scooter when they were just coming out , 250w / 15mph - had a police car head across the road head on trying to ram me off the bike because he thought it was a moped scooter and i wasn't wearing a helmet so he assumed it was stolen - MASSIVE shock for him when he found it was a legal electric bike ....But they were rare on the streets back then . But the look was the problem , how long before they start looking like a actual motorcycle again once they get established ...
So much bike and only a top speed of 15.5 mph are you serious
something that I would still be concerned about is even if it is type approved, the display on these bikes show the wattage, and from the video it definitely peaks higher than 250w, in the unlikely event that they wanted to test the bike out they would easily see that it has a higher maximum output, maybe it would of been better if these didn't show the wattage
I believe that the law relates to 'continuous' maximum power, so a short spike to get you moving is okay.
@@IanDarley that’s the thing about uk ebike laws that are so vague, at the moment it states ‘maximum power output’ but it really needs to be updated to continuous otherwise some plod might do you for just reading the wattage on the bike
Lots of shop bought mid-drive ebikes are delivering almost 900W going up hills. This 250W rating is purely whether the motor will run at 250W not its limit. I know it sounds stupid writing that but that is the state of the EU certification. I think it was just made overly complicated to give European manufacturers an advantage. Cyrusher now does 250W stickered ebikes with hub motors of 750W. It's unbelievable awful certification from the EU that makes no sense. Madness to rate the wattage of the motor itself when it is the controller that dictates how much power the motor is given. The controller should have the rating not the motor. A direct drive hub motor can operate at 200W to about 3000W (the very same motor). You can label it 250W, 500W, 1000W, 2000W and 3000W its just ridiculous. 250W is only 7A at 36V or 5A at 48V but a Bosch controller is somewhere around 22-25A inside the motor assembly on its most powerful so called 250W motors.
@@bonzobanana1 I agree it's like saying that a 75hp engine in a car could make 150hp if you fit a turbo. You can overdrive or under drive an electric motor, it's all about how much power push through it.
All 250w motors output more wattage. The word is 'nominal'. The motor is designed to survive running at 250W all day long, but you can put a lot of power temporarily through a motor to deliver better acceleration. As long as it's generally running at around 250w then it's fine