RWD Model Y is NOT LFP 🧐
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Just drove demo rwd. It is not LFP!!! Happy to share photos
Please, do not be scared to charge to 100 percent daily. If you want to be on the safe side, charge to 95 percent daily. Will not impact your car as much as you think. Supercharger is more tasking on the batteries than charging 95 percent daily. Just don't charge to 100, and let it sit for a long time. Charge to 100, start using as soon as you can.
I charge my 2018 model 3 to 100% every single day and haven’t seen any degradation in the last 50k miles
Nope, don't do that with Li Ion batteries. It's the other way round, fast charging isn't really harmful, but (often) fully charging is. I spoke to battery scientists about that.
took delivery end to december rwd fremont built so what kind of battery does it have ? some say say same battery as MYLR . not sure if it’s true . but doesn’t qualify for fed credit .. strange
I concur. There's much confusion even among the Tesla salesforce about the battery the Model Y RWD gets in the US. While it is an LFP battery in Canada, it is a conventional one in the US. Not sure if it is the same as the former RWD briefly available in 2022, but it is definitely not LFP. I test drove one this weekend and it clearly said on the charging tab that it should be charged at 80% for daily use. Incredibly, I received the same day an email from one of the many Tesla advisors I talked to that it saying it was LFP. Also, most advisors ignore the current promotions, like free supercharging transfer and the $1,000 discount for Cybertruck reservation holders. I had to show the emails I received from Tesla! Tesla should pay me for training their folks :)
One more question is the top charging rate. I read in the press it was 170 kW but one of the Tesla peeps said it was 150. Haven't found any official note from Tesla on this. 170 kW is the rate for the LFP so I am leery of additional confusion between the two RWD batteries.
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Yeah it needs to be a LFP if it’s lower then 300 miles especially since long range now says keep it at 80% for daily driving 220 miles (310 when new at 100%)
And that's while the battery pack is new. Over the years you'll probably be looking at a 200 mile highway range... really wish it was LFP
@@Dubitz yeah my current Tesla (310 100% new) is after 106k miles 275 at 100% in ideal conditions. So I had to modify it to be 1 inch lower and a better spoiler for downforce. fall last year was 210wh/mi and this is 206wh/mi with mods. I have more to do but im not buying a new car in this interest rate environment
Agreed. I'd love to get a CT but I'm still paying off my Model 3 that has a 2.5% loan, definitely not buying a new car anytime soon lol @@polarbearigloo
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80% of 310 is 248 not 220.
The Long Range is now at 330 miles so 80% of that is 264 miles. Plenty of range for most daily commuters.
Most people don't drive the entire range of the EV every day, so the Long Range vehicle is the one to choose for the price.
If you happen to do an occasional weekend road trip, charging to 90% on the road or 100% before leaving home is pretty easy and won't hurt the Long Range battery.
I love my LFP Model 3 🙌
Any update on this? Is it LFP or NCA for the US models?
I have the LFP Model Y here in Canada and I certainly thought the U.S. version was LFP. There was no reason to think otherwise.
When you consider the tax credit requirements and tariffs from China, it starts to make sense.
I truly hope you are correct, but when I reached out to Tesla support regarding my order, they conveyed, "Hello, neither of our Model Y trim levels use LFP. The only Model that uses LFP is the Model 3. Thank you so much."
Is it 2024 MY RWD? It's LFP in Canada?
Spoke to a sales rep in Maryland yesterday and he confirmed the Model Y RWD was not LFP and that not only was the RWD Li-ion but 4860s. I asked, "but aren't all 4680s going toward C-Truck production?" He said the first gen of 4680 are not being redirected to the C-Truck only the newest 4680s.
Is the max charging rate 170 or 250 if it isn't LFP?
I went on the Tesla site to shop for a Model Y and asked for a call back on their RWD. When I got the call it was from a Washington DC location. The first rep didn’t know whether it had an LFP battery so he said he’d look into it and call me back. A different rep called me back and confirmed it was not an LFP battery- based on the recommended charging to 80% in the software. Disappointing, but I’d probably still opt for that one for the price.
Update: I just ordered the RWD M Y. Est. delivery 11/24 - 12/19. I’m still hoping that a software update reveals I should charge to 100% lol. Either way, it’s a great value and I need the tax credits for next year.
Same as you, wish the rwd model y is lfp battery.
@tailosiveev update, I went to pick up the RWD today and switched to a long range instead. I held out hope that it was LFP and again they confirmed that it is not. So I went with the long range. You are the only TH-cam channel I’ve noticed that speculated LFP, but corrected. I appreciate you for that. So many other channels still reference the LFP RWD M Y that just doesn’t exist in the US.
I have been curious about my 2023 RWD Model Y and have been looking for information. December 14, 2023 was when I took it home. I don't know when it started to do so, but the car definitely tells you that it is Lithium-Ion in the information, and the owner's manual tells you to charge up to 80%. A little disappointed because I was looking forward to the LFP battery and the longer range. It is still a great car.
I had been driving my Leaf since 2012 when I got it brand new. I loved it too but the range was definitely limiting and the last nail in the coffin was when it needed a new on-board charger. Definitely an upgrade with the Model Y.
Makes 2024 even more interesting with potential pricing of these cars given its possible only the new model 3 highland doesn't qualify for the full $7500 credit in 2024?
Makes me think new model 3 will have to be at the 40k price, otherwise it could be more expensive then the rwd y.....
All we trully know so far is current LFP battery will most likely only get $3750 credit starting in 2024. So any additional price increases for the new highland make it much more expensive car than the current version since even at the same price as current model, it will cost $3750 more because of reduced credit - which is counter to all the cost saving benefits of the "building" of the vehicle. So confusing.
The U.S. spec RWD has a listed weight of 4154 lbs. The Canadian spec RWD has a listed weight of 4209 lbs. A bit heavier due to the LFP battery I suppose. I weighed mine on a scale and the listed weight was exact.
You recently received delivery of a US spec Y RWD? Mine is still pending. If so, does the manual instruct to charge to 100% or to keep it around 80? I think that would settle it. Thanks.
No, I'm in Canada and received a Canadian spec with LFP. The display shows I can charge to 100% daily. I'm pretty sure the U.S. spec does not have LFP. Seems a bit odd considering the Model 3 has it.
@razenparker I picked mine up today and it says charge to 80. I was a little disappointed.
Is yours 2024 MY RWD? It's LFP in Canada? I am in Canada,just wanted to confirm it's LFP before I place the order 😂
Being wrong doesn’t usually stop you from voicing your opinion. What’s changed now?
Opinions are personal preference, what I don’t do is spread around misinformation like it’s fact
Lfp sounds great but nmc isn't dead. They want to make trucks and can't do that until vehicles also use these cells
Please confirm MYR is LFP in US market?
Is the battery higher energy and just software limited? Cus then I don't feel worried about going to 100% every day even with lithium ion
I wouldn’t given the software still says to go to 80% daily not 100%
@@TailosiveEV copy that, thanks. The listed weight makes it very confusing tbh
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if the reason why Tesla decided to not go with LFP on Model Y RWD is because of the new tax credit requirements, wouldn't they do the same with the Model 3 RWD also?
Anyone actually receive delivery to confirm this? It'd be helpful to hear first hand?
I'm speculating the model 3 rwd will be switched to the model y rwd battery next year due to the tax credit requirements.
Appreciate your correction. That’s a bummer. The guy at the local Tesla service center told me it was LFP too.
a lot of Tesla Employees don't know what there talking about.
No fault of yours IMO, all the signs pointed to LFP. Tesla needs to start providing battery specs plain and simple. This guessing what "engine" powers your car is unacceptable.
So standard range is peak 170 but long range is 250? If they are same batteries is that just a software limitation?
Bigger batteries can accept higher charging speeds. They’ve got room to let ions in
it is a bummer, I thought it was too but oh well.
Since I haven't received my Model Y RWD yet, should I contemplate switching to the LR Model Y that's currently in stock? It's truly a regrettable situation, and I wholeheartedly concur that mid-range electric vehicles should utilize LFP batteries.
I think switching to the LR would be better. For $5K more, you get AWD, more range, the trunk cover shelf, faster 0-60, and faster DC charging speeds, and longer battery warranty (100K vs 120K miles).
thank u@@FeaturePeter
The base model 3 in the US has an LFP and is eligible for the full tax credit right now. Why would the Y be any different with tax credits?
Next year that’ll change
Thanks, I just confirmed with tesla, that the new model Y does NOT have an LFP. Definitely a bit disappointing @@TailosiveEV
In Canada it is LFP, i have one....
Do you normally charge above 80% on a road trip with LFP? I don't think so.
Why wouldn’t you?
I agree 100% You don't Supercharge over 80% unless you really have to, regardless of battery chemistry. Charging slows down at higher states of charge, and by 80% it's already quite slow. I'd argue battery chemistry has almost no effect on road trips. With either chemistry, you'll charge to 100% before leaving home, and you'll ride the bottom of the pack the rest of the time, stopping as frequently as necessary to optimize total trip time, charging at the end of each day if you don't have access to overnight charging. Charging curves should be quite similar too.
It's daily driving where LFP adds useful range, but very few people push the limits of daily driving range anyway.
Do you have ANY idea why Model Y RWD cars in inventory (Jan 21) do NOT qualify for the federal tax credit? If you custom order one, it appears that you still get the full credit. What the heck is going on?
Yeah I’m perplexed by that. IRS is weird
So, RWD Tesla model y will have lithium ion or lithium phosphate ? Or both are the same? NCA is different. Am I right?
Those are different. RWD in the US has NCA
Are you saying lithium iron or are you saying lithium ion?
Also I want more videos of the rwd handling the snow
Lithium Iron
So that means you get about 200 miles on the 80% charge. Not good.
LFP cells are still made in China and would not be eligible for the full tax credit. This is probably the reason. I agree LFP would be the best choice for mid-range EVs. They can beat others that have 20% more range than them. Hopefully LFPs get made in the US some time soon
But the base model 3 uses LFP battery in the US and it's still eligible for the full tax credit. So why would it be different for the Y?
@@razenparker Most outlets have speculated that car companies can average their mix of US made cells across the model line up. But next year the required percentage rises and this averaging might be restricted. Tesla has already stated on their order page that they will not get the full tax rebate for the Model 3 next year; which tends to support that thinking.
Tesla sale rep are saying that Tesla might not qualify for full 7500 up front tax rebate in 2024 bcus their not a dealership. Are they bluffing trying to generate more sale this year?
My mg4 is RWD and LFP 😅❤
I called my delivery location today and they have guaranteed me it is infact LFP. We will see in a week when I take delivery.
Did you receive yours?
Yes I’m curious to know too
Picking it up Friday
@@SouthARK88 how did it go? Is it LFP?
As far as I can tell it is NOT an LFP battery. They still insist it is and software is not correct but it recommends 80% charge for normal use. If anyone has a recommendation on where to look on the battery case for any type of identifying tagging or anywhere else I would be happy to share the information.
Model Y RWD in Canada is LFP
My 2023 model Y RWD is LFP, I am in Canada.
@@anthonyamor4411 ok
Is it 2023 MY RWD or 2024 ?😂
nope
So I ordered the model Y RWD but am looking to cancel and change to the AWD LR. I got the VIN for the LR I was going to switch to and It also says - Battery type : lithium-ion: Li-ion. (Which is the same that my model y RWD listed.
Does this mean my LR will have the same NCM battery?
Long range has always been NCM
@@TailosiveEV gotcha okay thanks. So really I’m SOL if I want a model Y as far as battery. But should do the upgrade if I think it’s worth it for the range, and acceleration?
@@jenniferglasgow1610 did they allow you to do VIN swap without a new order fee?
Are you talking about people getting their RWD deliveries in the states? I have been refreshing tesla motor club threads and Reddit threads, but haven’t seen anyone get their RWD model Y delivery yet. Thank you!
It isLFP cells in Europe and since around March it is a newer version (claimed to be BYD Blade cell) coming out of Berlin.
In LFP means the Y RWD has range of 200…
Giga Berlin ships LFP MY/RWD...
A tesla chat guy told me today (11/25/23) that the Model Y RWD and 3 RWD have the same battery.
Good man. Thanks for being humble!
So… You are more underwhelmed than you ‘imagined’ you might be. . . Hmmm . . . You kind of sound like those stock analysts, who claimed that Tesla hasn’t met their “expectations“. . .
I called them whiners when they spew their drivel.
What shall we call you?🤷