A few extra points... There's another difference I didn't realise and its not in the video. In the UK, the RWD powertrain warranty is 8 years/100k miles. The LR is 8 years/120k miles. It's also worth mentioning again, specs vary in different regions/markets. In the UK, the RWD has the same equipment and comes with premium sound, which is not the case in some other markets. However, it's now obvious from some of the comments, we pay considerably higher premium for the LR and Performance model, yet don't get extra equipment over the RWD. Many have asked about the wheel trims I've got on my MY. All the details are in this video th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.html with the links in the video description. If you're considering purchasing a Tesla, please use my referral code to get £1,000. Use ts.la/matt55592 or enter "matt55592" as a referral when purchasing any Tesla. If you've found this video particularly useful or maybe this saved you money or time, then please do at least click the like button and add a comment. If you'd like to give a 'super thanks', you can buy me a coffee, a pint or contribute to the running costs of this channel via the Thanks button above. TH-cam shares 70% of the donations with the video creators. ***Update October 2024*** This RWD model has now been discontinued (maybe temporarily, maybe permanently) and replaced with the new RWD Long Range. So the LFP battery is no longer available in the UK. The new RWD LR has the same battery as the AWD Long Range, but with a single motor. The price has increased by £2,000 over the previous LFP version.
Just ordered my MY RWD and picking it up on Monday. I did go for red as the colour. Can’t wait, so excited. Thanks for the video couldn’t agree more with your points, the extra for the LR just wasn’t worth it for me.
For 90% of MY drivers the RWD is all that is needed. Fast enough and with good range. We get 256 mile range (260 when new 12 months ago). You can charge it 100% and makes so much more sense than spending £8000 more.
Far too many people focus on outright range, then 99% of the journeys are just a small fraction of what the battery pack can do. The UK average is 21 miles a day!
When you say you get 250 plus range. Can you be more specific please? What is the worst case scenario? i.e car full of passengers, luggage, winter (uk conditions) etc. Thanks.
Great summary and video overall, awesome work. Another great fact for people who talk about Cobalt mining is that the biggest use of cobalt in the world is…refining oil into fuels!
Thanks for the kind comments. Yes, refining oil uses cobalt, but its not the largest use. It's actually about 3%. Batteries are, using about 70% of the world's supply. But at least when used in batteries, it's recyclable at the end of the battery's life and can be reused again. But of course, its not just EVs. Portable devices use 30% of the cobalt supply.
Metals like cobalt, nickel , platinum, etc are used in chemical processing as catalysts. They are not consumed and have long lives and are recyclable, unlike most metals in EV batteries where widespread recyling is undeveloped and is likely to be highly inefficient.
Great Review. Have exactly the same model. Was first confused about charging to 100% at least once a week, but now I know why. Battery type. What I do is charge it at the Tesla charger to 80% and then top up at home to 100% over night.
I agree with you entirely. We have a Polestar 2 long range single motor rear wheel drive and it has more than enough range for what we require and about 300 brake horsepower which is massive compared to previous cars so fully agree no need for all wheel drive and extra power.
Yes, everyone thinks they need more power, but because an electric motor gives all the torque from standstill, single motors are plenty. Even a low powered EV like a Zoe feels great to drive.
we also went for the Model Y RWD. We didn't actually expect to get the improved audio system or rear heated seats so were pretty surprised when we did. We get 250 miles pretty much all year round. We use the car day to day and charge maybe once or twice a week to 100% Our 233 Wh/Mi in the Summer only dropped to 244 Wh/Mi in the winter. You do end up using more electric overall because you tend to set the car to autoheat in the morning, but that is optional. The performance is still incredible. Acceleration from 30-70 which is the useful range, is really not much different to the other models. I drive the whole time in Chill mode! Absolutely no regrets saving the money and getting the RWD!
Yes, the 30-70 acceleration in both the RWD and LR feels about the same. I should have added that. As you say, many expect less equipment on the RWD, like the Model 3. But the Model Y is fully kitted out, the same as the LR and Performance models. I don't think this is well known. The premium sound is awesome!
@@nbabriant9 haven't had any snow in the UK to test it yet, but no difference than any other car in the rain. It's my first RWD car so there is that....
I have the same car purchased this year , suspension is firm and that’s coming from a M sport , the tech is amazing really getting about 3.1 wpm at the moment but it’s cold and wet almost every day. Great seats and don’t think I’ll ever get another car without a heated steering wheel , was looking at the Skoda but the charging network of Tesla sold it for me plus it’s got better performance
Yes, the hard suspension is the only negative for me. I would have preferred to buy a used one, especially as being in the trade. But models before March 2023 had even harder suspension and that was what primarily drove me to get new. But I've got used to the suspension now. I also drove a new LR Defender 110 the other day which has air suspension and tyres with much larger side walls and it was exactly the same as the Model Y. We did a back to back comparison over the same road, hitting the same bumps and potholes. It was very surprising. I'm now happier with the Model Y as its not as bad as I thought!
Your video explains everything accurately, simply, and clearly-great to see! I’ve already ordered mine and it’s arriving on Tuesday, can’t wait! Thanks for your effort and the helpful video.
I have the RWD on salary sacrifice as it was cheaper and i only do long journeys once a month. Over the past year I have averaged 215 Wh per mile, even with preheating during the winter. I am very happy with the car and would only change the colour as blue or red looks much better.
Great video. The comparisons have been very helpful in my decision making. Another difference I have found is the in price I have been quoted on insurance between the two. It’s averaging out at between £30-40 per month cheaper on the RWD. Thats another saving worth considering. However whatever you decide seems to be a win win!!
Yes, its a great offer Tesla bring out at the end of year (or a quarter) to boost sales. For them its costs nothing as the customer had it previously. And it doesn't stay with the car, so its your lifetime ownership, rather than the vehicle's lifetime.
I just ordered the same base model Y on the 3 year PCH, with 15,000 free supercharger miles. If I added any options, the additional lease cost over three years was actually more than the full cost of the option ! That suggests all options have a negative residual value at 3 years !! I suppose they want to get the base offering under £399 / month and try to claw a bit back if you want any options. The car price on the lease docs is £35k, so £10k less than list. I'm dropping to just a single car replacing a 2020 BMW i3 and a 2015 Honda CR-V. When I do the sums, including no further depreciation on the 2 cars over the next 3 years, the Model Y is only costing me an extra £90 / month compared with the total for the current cars, which I am very happy with
Even for long trips it doesn’t make a big difference. ABRP reckons about 30 minutes longer for a RWD vs LR doing London to Aberdeen, both starting on 100%. Looking forward to replacing my Leaf with one in a couple of years!
@@GoGreenAutosIt really does depend where the charging stations are. So you might have to charge more often in the RWD but there's not much advantage in the AWD if you can't make it to the next supercharger. An experienced Tesla driver might stretch that time difference by being less conservative than ABRP. But overall the time difference probably doesn't mean much with food and comfort stops.
@@mondotv4216 Yes, you're right. Whether you're driving a RWD or LR, you're probably going to stop at the same Supercharger, unless there are many on your route. The difference in charging speeds isn't much at all. I find the RWD charges fast enough and if we're stopping for food, it charges too fast and you have to run out and move the car or return to the car with your food.
I don't really buy the LFP range argument because range only matters on long trips, when it's fine to charge the LR to 100% just before the trip, when you do get another 50 miles. Whether that makes a difference to you obviously depends. Though TBF the extra 50 miles can be added in probably 10 minutes so I guess no biggie, sip your coffee slower. What would make a bigger difference is, can Tesla drop the £45k price to £39,990 for the Juniper because that would make an additional substantial price difference to the buyer due to the 5 years extra "luxury" tax at £40k.
I can't see that happening, unless they also dropped the Model 3 prices too, otherwise it will kill Model 3 sales. Still, the £40K threshold might change yet as it's set too low now for modern car prices. Even an Astra is in that bracket! I'm expecting uproar when people realise this and the government may revise the thresholds.
@@GoGreenAutos Taking advantage of inflation by not raising thresholds is a classic government move. If there was a time to do it the last budget was it, plus Labour won't be raising thresholds on cars their supporters can't afford. It wasn't that long ago that MY was around £60k and IMNSHO M3 need to drop now anyway as so many competitors are dropping to low 30's. Anyway let's hope one of us is right !
thanks for posting. I am a few weeks away from getting the same car on lease. My current lease has come to an end and I decided to order a Tesla. My current lease car is a Nissan Leaf, and so I am expecting a massive improvement in every aspect over the Nissan. Whilst the Nissan has been very cheap (159 quid) per month for everything all in, tyres, servicing, insurance, recovery etc. So very cheap, but it is very dull driving and I often tell friends it's like a slightly better performing vehicle than a milk float. My new lease is 375 for 13K miles and again everything all in. I can't wait after watching this. thanks again. J
The Tesla is worlds apart from the Leaf. It will take a few weeks to get used to it and realise the full benefit from the software, but you'll love it. Straight away you'll enjoy the engaging drive. The steering is very responsive, which gives it a sporty feel.
I have RWD model 3 with CATL LFP pouch batteries. The new shape. I charge from about 30 - 40 % to 100%. At that rate after 3000 charges equates to 900000km I get 430km range from the 100% My petrol bills was $50 to $90 NZ weekly, this is more than my total electricity bill, car charging inclucive.
I understand from articles I have read that there are differences, such as fewer speakers and 1 amplifier less on the RWD model for new RHD cars coming from China. Happy to be corrected...
Agree with you the RWD is the best value for money MY. I was going to buy one when by current iPace lease ends soon. But then also decided to buy a caravan, and going to tow with the Tesla. So I decided to go for the LR to get all wheel drive - simply to get better traction to tow a caravan out of a possibly wet grassy campsite. Will see how that one goes!
Yes, the right move. You will need AWD when on grass and towing. The next video on this channel (out Wednesday) is about the efficiency loss when towing, so you might find that one interesting.
The premium sound system is only available on the LR and Performance. Standard range RWD has 7 speakers and 1 amp. LR and P have 13 speakers, 1 sub, and 2 amps. These for for USA but not sure if it’s the same internationally. I was going to go with the RWD then I learned the LR and P had more speakers which for me, was a priority. So I went with the LR instead.
@@jefferrrson1x have you cranked up the premium audio system? Everyone raves about it - but didn’t blow me away at all!? I have set up equaliser but sound (particularly voice) very obviously comes from the front not all around. Sub decent but nowhere near Bose that I hear it is sometimes compared to!
I bought used but wanted a long range, once I realised I could buy a 2023 RWD for 5k less than a 2022 LR I decided the extra 50 miles for once or twice a year won't worth the extra £££. I've not driven LR Y but I test drove a LR3 and the frt motor noise also put me off, is the Y the same.
I didn't notice any front model noise when I've driven MY LR. But then the MY has far better sound deadening than the M3. Its akin to the new (Highland) M3.
I have the same model except 2023. Had it since May 23 and love it. Did not test drive the LR or Performance or even the Model 3. Just knew it was the Y I wanted and could not see the point in getting the all wheel drive as we rearly see snow where I live these days. You said you went from a Model S to the Y. How do you compare them? I drove a 2016 model S at an electric car event my company held back in 2017 and while I liked the S I did not like the price and found the interior trim poor compared to the Merc I had at the time.
I loved my Model S and for me, it was near perfect. The Model S is an old man's GT car and to me, felt more of a driver's car. Although many will say the opposite and say the Model S is wooly in comparison. But over the 5,000 miles and 3 months I've had the Model Y, I'm liking it more and more. I like the raised height and its certainly easy to get in and out off and easy to live with. The space in it is huge too. I also really like the premium sound system and crank that up far too loud. So overall, the Model Y is shaping up to be one of my favourite cars and maybe the best. There's a reason why these are the best selling vehicles in the world. They are so much better than most reviewers can appreciate, when they only drive them for a day or so.
I wanted a white one and there was only one left it was one like this, when I got home I saw there was a tow hook in the bags, was a nice surprise. I am so happy with the charging it is very good compared to my Kia EV6, for some reason the Kia did not want to prepare the battery for super charging. Also saves time to just plug in the cable and that you don't have to pay with cards or apps. The last time I did a long run, I charged 6 minutes. If I compare with the Kia, I also usually charge for a little while, usually it took longer than 6 minutes. I haven't tested winter driving, only now in the summer. The computer and navigation are exceptionally good with satellite maps.
We came to the same conclusion. Bang for Buck it's the outright winner. Plugging in on the drive way each night and letting Inteligent Octopus Go do its thing results in pain free, cheap EV ownership with all the Tesla bells and whistles. winning!
There's only a $4,000 price difference between the rear wheel drive and the long range in the US. I wanted all wheel drive and the better sound system. Ordered it last week and picked it up at the local Tesla store this past weekend.
Excellent video, answered all the questions I had between the 2 trim levels, thank you. I was going to spend the extra on the black wheels although was concerned about the loss is range especially on the rear Wheel Version. Those trims look great as does the spoiler, I never thought about changing the Wheel trims. 👍
I've done a few videos on wheel trims...the best way to go and cheap to change the look when you get bored. See www.youtube.com/@GoGreenAutos/search?query=tesla%20wheel%20trims
Yes it has. It creaks when driving on rough roads. I had a look at it, but can't work out what's wrong. I put some paper between the bump stops and boot lid and when closed, the hatch was tight down on the bump stops. So much so, the paper torn trying to slide it out. So its not that.
Even the MY RWD we had on test drive had a rattle in the boot. I mean if Tesla can't even make their demo cars not rattle, what hope is there for a customer?! 😂
And if you want to know why I have to change cars this year, it’s all to do with the car being on a four year lease. The camper will be on a three year lease through Motability as I’m slightly disabled.
Actually dual motor vehicles tend to be more efficient than a single larger motor or equivalent larger motor You have the option to run motors are different power and efficiency peaks in the play around with the combination of the two as opposed to having to run the one single motor in the mode it may not be best for it in certain conditions
That is not true. The Model Y SR is 15Wh/km more efficient then the AWD. Had both cars and average energy use is 15.6kWh/100km with the SR and 18.6kWh/100km with the AWD, my own cars. Get the Y SR with BYD blade, best car&battery so far. Same time on long range drives (4 SuC stops at least per day), better charging than the NCM LR battery and lower cost. Lower consumption equalizes the bigger battery and higher consumption of the LR AWD
You get: - AWD - faster 0-100km/h (LR = 5sec / RWD = 6.9sec) - front fog lights - longer WLTP range (LR = 533km abd RWD = 455km) - faster charging (LR = 250 kW and RWD = 170 kW) - better warranty on the battery (RWD = 8years/160.000km and LR = 8years/192.000km). In Denmark the price difference is “only” 40.000 DKK (~4580 GBP / 5870 USD). I think it is well worth it if you have the money. Only cons of the LR is weight (RWD = 1909kg and LR = 1995kg) and higher consumption (+10% ish). The last one means that the actual range diff is not that big.
I'd missed the warranty differences. In the UK, the RWD powertrain warranty is 8 years/100k miles. The LR is 8 years/120k miles. I don't know why we pay £8,000 extra for the LR??
Exactly the same. I really tried to find a difference between the two and maybe the RWD is slightly better without the weight of the front motor, but there's not much between them.
Hey, thank you for your video. If we check Tesla inventory, you can find RWD LFP 2023/2024 for the same price as 2022/2023 Long Range AWD. Does Long Range AWD car will be more interesting in this situation? Also we can take into account battery degradation about 2-4% per year.
Yes used prices are very different. The RWD doesn't depreciate as much as the LR and Performance. So if I was buying used, I'd probably go for a LR if it isn't much more. It's certainly not the £8K more they were new! I wouldn't worry about battery degradation at all. The LFP is certainly better in that respect, but its still not something I would worry about. The NMC batteries loose more initially and then flatten out over the next 10 yrs/100k miles or so.
@@GoGreenAutos Thank you for your response. As I know 2024 RWD LFP has new cameras and HairPin motor. Is it advantage which can cover extra 15-20% of range, which has 2022 Model Y LR? What is your point to get used 2022 LR instead used RWD LFP 2023/2024?
Yes. The best time to order or buy a Tesla is nearing the end of a quarter, as there's a push to get the sales in. This is particularly true nearing the end of Q4. This is when I got my MY and used the lifetime free Supercharging transfer offer. While this doesn't have the same financial value as a low interest rate, for me it did as I was a cash buyer and can make good use of it.
@@nbabriant9 Rain absolutely fine. No matter how hard you push it, it wont slide out. The traction control on Teslas is incredibly quick to react. We've not had any snow this winter in the UK, so not tried yet. There's videos on TH-cam of RWD in Norway in the snow.
Great video and Tesla keeping the options simple is a plus in my book! Good financing options in the UK for this version of Model Y at the moment as well.
Had a 3 day test drive in one of these over the Christmas break. Ended up going with a used Skoda Enyaq 80 in the end; cheaper to own and insure, and fewer concerns about parts/repair service. 3 months in, I don't regret my decision, yet.
Yes, the Model Y being group 48-50, they are expensive to insure. In my experience, Tesla service, repair and parts are far better than other manufacturers. No servicing schedule, rangers for onsite repairs, parts are considerably cheaper. I'm going to make a video about this soon. But its typical in the UK to wait 8+ weeks for a main dealer appointment now. In my area, Tesla is 3 working days.
I’ve been driving myself mad if to go for this model Y RWD. Nearly ordered one , then cancelled. But now thinking again. Just scared to go electric. Test drove it twice and me and family loved it.
If you can charge at home overnight, then its a no-brainer. If you would have to rely on public charging, then it requires more thought. The Model Y is now the world's best selling car (of any type) and also the world's safest car. All these owners can't be wrong. You won't regret it.
@@YepYep74 if you want a my referral code, you'll get 3 months enhanced autopilot. Use ts.la/matt55592 or enter "matt55592" as a referral when purchasing any Tesla. (No one used it yet. I must make more of an effort in sharing it)
1 motor vs 2 motors 60kw vs 80kw battery 150kw vs 250kw fast charging 6,9 vs 5,0 0-100 I dont call that “slightly”. Btw if you have referral points you can upgrade your 0-100 to 4.4 free of charge. You get enough referral points by buying your second tesla or refer 160 test drives. Just sent it out to all your contacts and you have it. It made me go for long range vs standard range. So it is purely for the fun of driving and the faster charging is bonus for long trips.
The charging is actually not that much faster with the long range, as the charging speed on the long range drops of faster than the RWD with BYD battery. It will keep 175kw for much longer than the long range will keep its charge. 20kw battery and 2 motors doesnt necessarily make it worth that much more unless you are into the ridiculous acceleration
By slightly smaller battery you actually mean 25% smaller. Which is a lot. What I hope Tesla will bring in the updated model y rwd (besides all the updates from the model 3) is improved range for the standard rwd (hopefully they can get the epa and wltp higher by 10-15-%) and much better cold weather range retention
The SR has the BYD blade LFP (if made in Germany), that battery is far better then the LG LR. 80km less range but charging is far better. Save money, same time on long distance drives
For new purchases your right, for 2nd hand market the 4WD might be a better choice, longer warranty and the price difference is much less. I do like your wheel trims, the standard silver is a real let down for the car.
Hi - Could I please ask a question - I am looking at a Model Y RWD and am seeing 'Rear Side Wing Doors' in the exterior features - Please could you tell me what this is? - I don't want the wing doors which I am presuming this means - Ta
Love the look of your wheels with the white, my parents picked up their black Model Y the other week and put the same wheels caps on, and it just transforms the look of the car compared to the silver Gemini’s! I was also wondering, where did you get your centre caps for the wheels with the logo (in grey) as the ones my parents got were just without any tesla logos at all
All the details on these wheel trims and centre caps in this video and links in the video description th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DskYNp3iUS7Knzih
Wheel covers - see video th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.html and all the information and links are in the video description. Car mats - see th-cam.com/video/F2XL65KH7Tw/w-d-xo.html and all the links in the description.
No, the revisions (ambient lighting, black wheels etc) on the MY aren't available outside of China yet. My MY has aftermarket wheel covers, see th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OCBPheiJuG6Il1xw I suspect the UK will get these revisions something in the Summer, which will boost sales before the new shape (Juniper) comes out sometime in 2025.
How do rear wheel drive operate in winter and wet roads, remember RWD cars particularly BMW could be quite slippy and dangerous if you go too hard round a corner or roundabout
Traction control works really well on EVs as an electric motor can react in milliseconds, so noting like an ICE vehicle. There's plenty of videos on TH-cam showing the RWD in snow in Norway. They're impressive.
Nice video, very helpful. However there is one aspect I don’t seem to find a lot of info on, namely the difference on regen braking between the RWD and Dual Motor. I drive an Xc40 twin (P8 2021) with one pedal and the braking on the motors only is quite impressive. At that point that the car almost never use the mechanical brakes unless the battery is charged over 95% or so. Question I have is how does the absence of a front motor affects the regen braking and increases the use of the mechanical brakes ? This could be an added cost when replacing the brake pads would be more often on the RWD. The Y is on top of my list for the futur replacement of the XC 40 twin.
As far as regen goes, there's not much difference. The dual motor will have slightly more regen, but its hardly noticeable. On the RWD, I only ever use the brakes when the battery is fully charged and the regen is reduced.
I have read somewhere that Tesla has incorporated in the software to use the mechanical brakes as well every once in a while to mitigate the problem of mechanical brakes not being used. The regen is really good on the RWD
@@OverEntusiast yes they did, which it replicated regen when regen wasn't available (due to cold battery or being fully charged). But I don't have that option in my car.
You didn't have your E-C4 for long... Thinking of getting the E-C4 for the other half. Do you recommend it? Or the Ioniq? The Citroen's electrical gremlins I'm hearing about is putting me off...
Excellent review and I learned a few things I didn’t know. Particularly like your wheel trim upgrade. Do you own this car through a business? I’m Interested to know how people are funding their cars. Can see you can lease for £399 atm with no down payment!
Many (non-Tesla owners) don't realise the importance of the over the air updates and how different that makes Tesla vehicles compared to the rest. Some other brands do over the air updates now, but not to the same extent that Tesla do. Other vehicles are made up of ECUs and systems from different suppliers, so there's a limit to what they can do.
The car has the factory fit Hankook summer tyres. I believe in the States, Tesla fit all-season tyres. All-season tyres do vary a lot and in the UK/EU our all-seasons are not the same as those in the States. But when these summer tyres are worn and need changing, I will be fitting all-season tyres as they're ideal for the UK climate.
Really informative, you’ve earned a like and a sub. Just out of curiosity, was this bought outright, part-exchanged or on PCP, HP, Lease? Additionally, I’ve noted insurance quotes on Tesla’s specifically are very pricey? Is the the case with yourself? Thanking you in advance.
I did look at the Highland, but for me the tall SUV style won. Its just easier to get in and out and live with. The storage space is huge. Plus the MY had the double glazing already, felt in the door pockets etc to make it quiet and more refined than the previous generation M3. The big difference for me also is that the MY RWD has premium sound (which is awesome) , whereas the M3 RWD doesn't.
I'm not sure as we've had a pretty mild winter in the UK this year. But I've been getting around 200 miles this winter. On frosty days where I've done lots of short trips (always with the heating on at 20 degC), at worst its been 180 miles. But if it was longer driving, that would jump back up to 200+. There are plenty of videos on TH-cam of RWD/LFP owners in Norway and others in cold climates.
Well, we may get the slight changes that the Chinese market has..i.e. the ambient lighting, black wheel trims and better performance on RWD model. These might come soon to boost sales until the revised shape (project Juniper) comes in 2025.
Always has been the best of all the Teslas. Cost cutting (now eliminating all servicing) combined with (cracked?) castings and no driver controls is simply now the windup of the auto division in preference for the less demanding oversight of the ENERGY company. Death by a failure to execute after being scarred by the M3 near death experience. It’s over……MEMBERS. (Popular Mechanics magazine, decades ago, fantasised about Hyperlink - Point to Point rocket travel - Neuralink Flying Cars - Swimming Cars - Boring holes for commuting traffic - Mars being occupied ……it’s all just a rehash with money to play)
Typically 200 miles during this winter. But then I don't try to drive efficiently. I expect to get nearer 250 in the summer. Looking at the trips now, I've averaged 280 Wh/mi over the last 1,123 miles (since I last reset them), which is 3.57 mpkWh. So that equates to 205 miles. That's lots of short inefficient trips, heating on full etc.
How did you know for sure Britain got the CATL, but Germany and the US got the BYD Blade? I couldn't find any reliable info on it. Tesla never made any official statements about it, either. Even the Tesla sales rep at our local branch had no clue when I asked him about it. And it's not written anywhere on our MYs.
No particular source. You're right, the info isn't easy to find. Its not on the Model Y Wiki page for example. But I get a constant stream of Tesla news and TH-cam videos, so pickup snippets all the time. But if you search for "Model Y BYD" and "Model Y CATL", you'll find various articles, such as this carnewschina.com/2023/05/22/first-tesla-model-y-with-byd-blade-battery-rolled-off-the-production-line-in-germany-its-performance-is-surprising/
In Portugal you can get the MY Long range rwd version for 48.990€ with 600 WLTP. The MY RWD you get at 44.990€ with 455 WLTP. I believe the MY Long range RWD is worth it
Obviously running an EV is far more convenient than an ICE vehicle if you can charge at home while you sleep. But if you can't then it's like running an ICE vehicle where you have to go off to refuel. Except you're doing it more often and it takes longer. So yes, I would still have an EV if I couldn't charge at home as the benefits more than outweigh the negatives, but you have to put more effort in. Many don't want to do this. In fact I rarely charge from home now as I have free Supercharging.
Do as I do, buy a MYP, white car with white interior, then you get the most for your money, a stylish, fun and fast car that maintains its performance for a long time in the future for cheap money.👍🇸🇪😁 P.S You also get a genuine carbon spoiler, not a plastic copy.😁😁😁
Currently there are 2 LFP types, the old CATL (slow charging, problems when cold) and since 4.2023 the BYD blade LFP which outperformes all other batteries in price/performance. Tesla China=only CATL, Tesla Germany=BYD, Tesla US=other stuff like 4680 or LR Panasonic only
Looking on Parkers, the RWD is group 46, LR group 48 and Performance group 50. So yes, expensive to insure. For comparison, an Audi Q4 e-Tron is group 31-40.
Something wrong with your audio, some sort of interference when you are inside the car. I also went for RWD it auited us coming from a MG ZSEV gen 2 50kWh version.
Nearly all Tesla Y SR made in germany from 4.2023 and on got the BYD blade. There were a few CATL with the non casting structure in fall 2023, check the VIN. XP7=Berlin, 7th dight E (BYD) or F (CATL)
@@paulloper8333 Excellent. No issues. I was in the Tesla showroom the other day and they had a Performance MY and I think my spoiler looks better than the original Tesla one.
Tesla now fit front mudflaps as standard. I've done a video about this where I also fitted the rear flaps th-cam.com/video/bpQ---65vGc/w-d-xo.html and you may want to see this one too th-cam.com/video/Ok0YtV_M4Pg/w-d-xo.html
@@GoGreenAutos Crikey! I thought you shopped around to get low quotes for them ?! So how does both cars compare ? Which do you prefer Older Used Model S or new Model Y ?
I feel like a easy way to see which model you need can be broken down like this: Majority commute/city: RWD Majority road trips: LR Want speed: Performance For most city people, the choice really is only 2. It’s either the cheapest RWD or the best Performance. I never really found LR to be too appealing for my use case as I don’t plan on driving into areas that necessitate the longest range. I’d rather get the fastest one or I’d rather save the most amount of cash.
I currently drive a Renault Zoe, which I have used for four years and I now have to change my car. I shall be getting a Vauxhall Combo Life Electric with Wheelhome Vikenze III.
@@GoGreenAutos Yes, correct. I guess that means BYD cells as well? Whilst you're here, what do you think about the trend of upsizing to 255/50/19 to improve ride quality?
@@UpsideDownFork Not seen much about the BYD cells, other than some FB chat wondering if Berlin are using these or the CATL cells. As for the tyres, I've not seen any talk about this yet. I'd be interested to see others views on this that have tried it. I would assume any that have are on the original harder suspension so any improvement will be welcomed. Owners with the revised suspension (from March 2023) will all still be on the original tyres for a while yet. I have this and I don't find it too hard or harsh. In fact it softened up as the car did more miles. Mine has now done 10,700 miles and I would say after about 5-6k miles, the suspension certainly got better and wasn't just be getting used to it.
@@GoGreenAutos Thanks for the reply. There are several reddit posts about upsizing to the 255/50/19. One gent on there has now run through 2 full sets of the larger size tyres. I believe his early model Y is now on 90,000 miles in the US. Their consensus is that it really softens the ride. One poster has a Model Y for himself and one for his wife so could easily A/B test them. For me, i've test driven a used 2022 Model Y here in the UK. Found it harsh, read online about the revised suspension so took a brand new Model Y for a test drive and found it to be just as harsh, if not more so. That could be attributed to breaking in suspension etc as you point to. I think the rest of the car is great and fits our needs well, but coming from a long history of Mercedes, i'm not sure I would ever get over the firm ride?
@@UpsideDownFork The think is with a Tesla, its a high performance car that is also the safest. It needs stiff suspension to do what it can do. You can go around a corner at astonishing speed and it's like it's on rails. I found my 2024 Model Y stiff, but it has definitely improved as its worn in. I drove a newish (new shape) LR Defender recently which had air suspension and drove it back to back with my Model Y on the same roads and purposely hitting the same drain covers, bumps and potholes in the road. Both myself and the owner of the Defender concluded that the Model Y was no more harsh than the Defender and they both felt about equal. I was expecting the Defender to feel much software and absorb the bumps better as it has air, longer travel etc. But they were pretty equal and it was a real surprise. I came away thinking the Model Y suspension isn't as bad as every claims. Modern cars have stiffer suspension as they're heavy and handle better.
Different markets have different options. The long range RWD is a new model, which we don't yet get in the UK and this has the larger battery (same as the LR AWD).
@GoGreenAutos I understand now. I'm slowly seeing even the Chinese market model has ambient lighting in the dash, and it's a little faster. I love the channel.
@BwlGog The LR batt only charges fast when empty, then charge speed drops. Plug in at 50% and get low charge. The BYD only needs 20-25°C for 3C charge (all other batteries 40°C+) and you can plug izt in at hight SoC and get 3C=176. Impossible with others. So planning is easier, no need to rund down to 10% or less for fast charge
@ thank you, like the look of the Sealion 7 but early reviews raise concerns over range. I need something around the 300 mile mark due to the amount of regular travel I do
@BwlGog Get the LR RWD, charging at home is no factor in time, but more range with the LR batt. On longer drives with multiple DC charges per day the BYD blade is no drawback. The LG LR battery has more range in the RWD but you need to drain it to 10% or less for fast charge
A few extra points...
There's another difference I didn't realise and its not in the video. In the UK, the RWD powertrain warranty is 8 years/100k miles. The LR is 8 years/120k miles.
It's also worth mentioning again, specs vary in different regions/markets. In the UK, the RWD has the same equipment and comes with premium sound, which is not the case in some other markets. However, it's now obvious from some of the comments, we pay considerably higher premium for the LR and Performance model, yet don't get extra equipment over the RWD.
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***Update October 2024***
This RWD model has now been discontinued (maybe temporarily, maybe permanently) and replaced with the new RWD Long Range. So the LFP battery is no longer available in the UK. The new RWD LR has the same battery as the AWD Long Range, but with a single motor. The price has increased by £2,000 over the previous LFP version.
Just ordered my MY RWD and picking it up on Monday. I did go for red as the colour. Can’t wait, so excited. Thanks for the video couldn’t agree more with your points, the extra for the LR just wasn’t worth it for me.
I’ve had one for a year. Great car, you’ll love it 🎉
5 sleeps to go!
@@GoGreenAutos it is like Xmas 🎅 🎄
For 90% of MY drivers the RWD is all that is needed. Fast enough and with good range. We get 256 mile range (260 when new 12 months ago). You can charge it 100% and makes so much more sense than spending £8000 more.
Far too many people focus on outright range, then 99% of the journeys are just a small fraction of what the battery pack can do. The UK average is 21 miles a day!
I must be part of the 10% then. Only the Dual Motor puts a smile on my face each time I get in the car. Couldn’t give a damn about the range.
@@brandonvernet Ah, I drive like an old fart. Range is more important to me than speed / acceleration. Those days are long behind me.
I just love the power so paid extra. Still a company car so doesn’t cost me much.
When you say you get 250 plus range. Can you be more specific please? What is the worst case scenario? i.e car full of passengers, luggage, winter (uk conditions) etc. Thanks.
I ordered the RWD last week and this video makes me feel a lot more content with my choice! Thanks
Good choice. I'm glad the video helped.
Have you got it yet? I’m still waiting 🤦♂️😭
@@BH-tp3pm oh yeah. I got it after 6 days!
Great summary and video overall, awesome work.
Another great fact for people who talk about Cobalt mining is that the biggest use of cobalt in the world is…refining oil into fuels!
Thanks for the kind comments.
Yes, refining oil uses cobalt, but its not the largest use. It's actually about 3%. Batteries are, using about 70% of the world's supply. But at least when used in batteries, it's recyclable at the end of the battery's life and can be reused again. But of course, its not just EVs. Portable devices use 30% of the cobalt supply.
@@GoGreenAutosand LFP batteries don’t use cobalt.
People complaining about cobalt ignore the fact that their cellphone and laptops use it.
Metals like cobalt, nickel , platinum, etc are used in chemical processing as catalysts. They are not consumed and have long lives and are recyclable, unlike most metals in EV batteries where widespread recyling is undeveloped and is likely to be highly inefficient.
Great summary of the RWD 👍
Thanks Jonathan.
Great Review. Have exactly the same model. Was first confused about charging to 100% at least once a week, but now I know why. Battery type. What I do is charge it at the Tesla charger to 80% and then top up at home to 100% over night.
I agree with you entirely. We have a Polestar 2 long range single motor rear wheel drive and it has more than enough range for what we require and about 300 brake horsepower which is massive compared to previous cars so fully agree no need for all wheel drive and extra power.
Yes, everyone thinks they need more power, but because an electric motor gives all the torque from standstill, single motors are plenty. Even a low powered EV like a Zoe feels great to drive.
we also went for the Model Y RWD. We didn't actually expect to get the improved audio system or rear heated seats so were pretty surprised when we did. We get 250 miles pretty much all year round. We use the car day to day and charge maybe once or twice a week to 100% Our 233 Wh/Mi in the Summer only dropped to 244 Wh/Mi in the winter. You do end up using more electric overall because you tend to set the car to autoheat in the morning, but that is optional. The performance is still incredible. Acceleration from 30-70 which is the useful range, is really not much different to the other models. I drive the whole time in Chill mode! Absolutely no regrets saving the money and getting the RWD!
Yes, the 30-70 acceleration in both the RWD and LR feels about the same. I should have added that.
As you say, many expect less equipment on the RWD, like the Model 3. But the Model Y is fully kitted out, the same as the LR and Performance models. I don't think this is well known. The premium sound is awesome!
Chill mode lol. Learn to use the pedal
How is it in snow and rain?
@@nbabriant9 haven't had any snow in the UK to test it yet, but no difference than any other car in the rain. It's my first RWD car so there is that....
I have the same car purchased this year , suspension is firm and that’s coming from a M sport , the tech is amazing really getting about 3.1 wpm at the moment but it’s cold and wet almost every day. Great seats and don’t think I’ll ever get another car without a heated steering wheel , was looking at the Skoda but the charging network of Tesla sold it for me plus it’s got better performance
Yes, the hard suspension is the only negative for me. I would have preferred to buy a used one, especially as being in the trade. But models before March 2023 had even harder suspension and that was what primarily drove me to get new.
But I've got used to the suspension now. I also drove a new LR Defender 110 the other day which has air suspension and tyres with much larger side walls and it was exactly the same as the Model Y. We did a back to back comparison over the same road, hitting the same bumps and potholes. It was very surprising. I'm now happier with the Model Y as its not as bad as I thought!
Your video explains everything accurately, simply, and clearly-great to see! I’ve already ordered mine and it’s arriving on Tuesday, can’t wait! Thanks for your effort and the helpful video.
Glad it was helpful
I have the RWD on salary sacrifice as it was cheaper and i only do long journeys once a month. Over the past year I have averaged 215 Wh per mile, even with preheating during the winter. I am very happy with the car and would only change the colour as blue or red looks much better.
Great video. The comparisons have been very helpful in my decision making.
Another difference I have found is the in price I have been quoted on insurance between the two. It’s averaging out at between £30-40 per month cheaper on the RWD. Thats another saving worth considering. However whatever you decide seems to be a win win!!
Good point.
Thank you, that’s the comparison I was looking for.
That’s really good you could transfer your free supercharging. Brilliant saving. Great vlog
Yes, its a great offer Tesla bring out at the end of year (or a quarter) to boost sales.
For them its costs nothing as the customer had it previously. And it doesn't stay with the car, so its your lifetime ownership, rather than the vehicle's lifetime.
I just ordered the same base model Y on the 3 year PCH, with 15,000 free supercharger miles.
If I added any options, the additional lease cost over three years was actually more than the full cost of the option ! That suggests all options have a negative residual value at 3 years !!
I suppose they want to get the base offering under £399 / month and try to claw a bit back if you want any options. The car price on the lease docs is £35k, so £10k less than list.
I'm dropping to just a single car replacing a 2020 BMW i3 and a 2015 Honda CR-V. When I do the sums, including no further depreciation on the 2 cars over the next 3 years, the Model Y is only costing me an extra £90 / month compared with the total for the current cars, which I am very happy with
Even for long trips it doesn’t make a big difference. ABRP reckons about 30 minutes longer for a RWD vs LR doing London to Aberdeen, both starting on 100%. Looking forward to replacing my Leaf with one in a couple of years!
Really? That's not much at all for such a huge journey.
@@GoGreenAutosIt really does depend where the charging stations are. So you might have to charge more often in the RWD but there's not much advantage in the AWD if you can't make it to the next supercharger. An experienced Tesla driver might stretch that time difference by being less conservative than ABRP. But overall the time difference probably doesn't mean much with food and comfort stops.
@@mondotv4216 Yes, you're right. Whether you're driving a RWD or LR, you're probably going to stop at the same Supercharger, unless there are many on your route. The difference in charging speeds isn't much at all.
I find the RWD charges fast enough and if we're stopping for food, it charges too fast and you have to run out and move the car or return to the car with your food.
I don't really buy the LFP range argument because range only matters on long trips, when it's fine to charge the LR to 100% just before the trip, when you do get another 50 miles.
Whether that makes a difference to you obviously depends. Though TBF the extra 50 miles can be added in probably 10 minutes so I guess no biggie, sip your coffee slower.
What would make a bigger difference is, can Tesla drop the £45k price to £39,990 for the Juniper because that would make an additional substantial price difference to the buyer due to the 5 years extra "luxury" tax at £40k.
I can't see that happening, unless they also dropped the Model 3 prices too, otherwise it will kill Model 3 sales.
Still, the £40K threshold might change yet as it's set too low now for modern car prices. Even an Astra is in that bracket! I'm expecting uproar when people realise this and the government may revise the thresholds.
@@GoGreenAutos Taking advantage of inflation by not raising thresholds is a classic government move.
If there was a time to do it the last budget was it, plus Labour won't be raising thresholds on cars their supporters can't afford.
It wasn't that long ago that MY was around £60k and IMNSHO M3 need to drop now anyway as so many competitors are dropping to low 30's. Anyway let's hope one of us is right !
I get my RWD Y in Oct, looking forward to it. Nice video cheers
thanks for posting. I am a few weeks away from getting the same car on lease. My current lease has come to an end and I decided to order a Tesla. My current lease car is a Nissan Leaf, and so I am expecting a massive improvement in every aspect over the Nissan. Whilst the Nissan has been very cheap (159 quid) per month for everything all in, tyres, servicing, insurance, recovery etc. So very cheap, but it is very dull driving and I often tell friends it's like a slightly better performing vehicle than a milk float. My new lease is 375 for 13K miles and again everything all in. I can't wait after watching this. thanks again. J
The Tesla is worlds apart from the Leaf. It will take a few weeks to get used to it and realise the full benefit from the software, but you'll love it.
Straight away you'll enjoy the engaging drive. The steering is very responsive, which gives it a sporty feel.
I have RWD model 3 with CATL LFP pouch batteries. The new shape.
I charge from about 30 - 40 % to 100%. At that rate after 3000 charges equates to 900000km
I get 430km range from the 100%
My petrol bills was $50 to $90 NZ weekly, this is more than my total electricity bill, car charging inclucive.
I understand from articles I have read that there are differences, such as fewer speakers and 1 amplifier less on the RWD model for new RHD cars coming from China. Happy to be corrected...
On the Model 3, yes. But on the Model Y, all models get the premium sound system.
In the UK anyway.
Agree with you the RWD is the best value for money MY. I was going to buy one when by current iPace lease ends soon. But then also decided to buy a caravan, and going to tow with the Tesla. So I decided to go for the LR to get all wheel drive - simply to get better traction to tow a caravan out of a possibly wet grassy campsite. Will see how that one goes!
Yes, the right move. You will need AWD when on grass and towing.
The next video on this channel (out Wednesday) is about the efficiency loss when towing, so you might find that one interesting.
The premium sound system is only available on the LR and Performance. Standard range RWD has 7 speakers and 1 amp.
LR and P have 13 speakers, 1 sub, and 2 amps.
These for for USA but not sure if it’s the same internationally.
I was going to go with the RWD then I learned the LR and P had more speakers which for me, was a priority. So I went with the LR instead.
Different markets have different specs. In the UK, all three Model Ys have the same premium sound system.
@@GoGreenAutos ahhhh I figured. Well then, I’d go for the RWD there!
@@jefferrrson1x have you cranked up the premium audio system?
Everyone raves about it - but didn’t blow me away at all!? I have set up equaliser but sound (particularly voice) very obviously comes from the front not all around. Sub decent but nowhere near Bose that I hear it is sometimes compared to!
I bought used but wanted a long range, once I realised I could buy a 2023 RWD for 5k less than a 2022 LR I decided the extra 50 miles for once or twice a year won't worth the extra £££. I've not driven LR Y but I test drove a LR3 and the frt motor noise also put me off, is the Y the same.
I didn't notice any front model noise when I've driven MY LR. But then the MY has far better sound deadening than the M3. Its akin to the new (Highland) M3.
Best review of the RWD 👏🏽
Glad you think so
I have the same model except 2023. Had it since May 23 and love it. Did not test drive the LR or Performance or even the Model 3. Just knew it was the Y I wanted and could not see the point in getting the all wheel drive as we rearly see snow where I live these days. You said you went from a Model S to the Y. How do you compare them? I drove a 2016 model S at an electric car event my company held back in 2017 and while I liked the S I did not like the price and found the interior trim poor compared to the Merc I had at the time.
I loved my Model S and for me, it was near perfect. The Model S is an old man's GT car and to me, felt more of a driver's car. Although many will say the opposite and say the Model S is wooly in comparison.
But over the 5,000 miles and 3 months I've had the Model Y, I'm liking it more and more. I like the raised height and its certainly easy to get in and out off and easy to live with. The space in it is huge too. I also really like the premium sound system and crank that up far too loud. So overall, the Model Y is shaping up to be one of my favourite cars and maybe the best.
There's a reason why these are the best selling vehicles in the world. They are so much better than most reviewers can appreciate, when they only drive them for a day or so.
I wanted a white one and there was only one left it was one like this, when I got home I saw there was a tow hook in the bags, was a nice surprise.
I am so happy with the charging it is very good compared to my Kia EV6, for some reason the Kia did not want to prepare the battery for super charging. Also saves time to just plug in the cable and that you don't have to pay with cards or apps. The last time I did a long run, I charged 6 minutes. If I compare with the Kia, I also usually charge for a little while, usually it took longer than 6 minutes. I haven't tested winter driving, only now in the summer.
The computer and navigation are exceptionally good with satellite maps.
We came to the same conclusion. Bang for Buck it's the outright winner. Plugging in on the drive way each night and letting Inteligent Octopus Go do its thing results in pain free, cheap EV ownership with all the Tesla bells and whistles. winning!
Yep. Good to hear.
There's only a $4,000 price difference between the rear wheel drive and the long range in the US. I wanted all wheel drive and the better sound system. Ordered it last week and picked it up at the local Tesla store this past weekend.
Such a difference. Its an £8K ($10,200) in the UK and the RWD premium sound as standard, so the difference should be less.
In Australia its 10k USD difference between RWD and LR, but there’s no difference in audio or anything so its a no brainer
Excellent video, answered all the questions I had between the 2 trim levels, thank you. I was going to spend the extra on the black wheels although was concerned about the loss is range especially on the rear Wheel Version. Those trims look great as does the spoiler, I never thought about changing the Wheel trims. 👍
I've done a few videos on wheel trims...the best way to go and cheap to change the look when you get bored. See www.youtube.com/@GoGreenAutos/search?query=tesla%20wheel%20trims
I’m in the USA and performance was only about $5k more so I got that. But Car is awesome
Has it started to rattle in the boot area? love the car but that rattle is driving me mad
Yes it has. It creaks when driving on rough roads. I had a look at it, but can't work out what's wrong. I put some paper between the bump stops and boot lid and when closed, the hatch was tight down on the bump stops. So much so, the paper torn trying to slide it out. So its not that.
Even the MY RWD we had on test drive had a rattle in the boot. I mean if Tesla can't even make their demo cars not rattle, what hope is there for a customer?! 😂
And if you want to know why I have to change cars this year, it’s all to do with the car being on a four year lease. The camper will be on a three year lease through Motability as I’m slightly disabled.
Great summary. Does it come with hardware 4 cameras? Thanks
No, the UK models still currently have HW3.
Actually dual motor vehicles tend to be more efficient than a single larger motor or equivalent larger motor You have the option to run motors are different power and efficiency peaks in the play around with the combination of the two as opposed to having to run the one single motor in the mode it may not be best for it in certain conditions
That is not true. The Model Y SR is 15Wh/km more efficient then the AWD. Had both cars and average energy use is 15.6kWh/100km with the SR and 18.6kWh/100km with the AWD, my own cars. Get the Y SR with BYD blade, best car&battery so far. Same time on long range drives (4 SuC stops at least per day), better charging than the NCM LR battery and lower cost. Lower consumption equalizes the bigger battery and higher consumption of the LR AWD
You get:
- AWD
- faster 0-100km/h (LR = 5sec / RWD = 6.9sec)
- front fog lights
- longer WLTP range (LR = 533km abd RWD = 455km)
- faster charging (LR = 250 kW and RWD = 170 kW)
- better warranty on the battery (RWD = 8years/160.000km and LR = 8years/192.000km).
In Denmark the price difference is “only” 40.000 DKK (~4580 GBP / 5870 USD).
I think it is well worth it if you have the money.
Only cons of the LR is weight (RWD = 1909kg and LR = 1995kg) and higher consumption (+10% ish).
The last one means that the actual range diff is not that big.
I'd missed the warranty differences. In the UK, the RWD powertrain warranty is 8 years/100k miles. The LR is 8 years/120k miles.
I don't know why we pay £8,000 extra for the LR??
How comfortable is it to drive compared to the AWD?
Exactly the same. I really tried to find a difference between the two and maybe the RWD is slightly better without the weight of the front motor, but there's not much between them.
Hey, thank you for your video.
If we check Tesla inventory, you can find RWD LFP 2023/2024 for the same price as 2022/2023 Long Range AWD.
Does Long Range AWD car will be more interesting in this situation? Also we can take into account battery degradation about 2-4% per year.
Yes used prices are very different. The RWD doesn't depreciate as much as the LR and Performance. So if I was buying used, I'd probably go for a LR if it isn't much more. It's certainly not the £8K more they were new!
I wouldn't worry about battery degradation at all. The LFP is certainly better in that respect, but its still not something I would worry about. The NMC batteries loose more initially and then flatten out over the next 10 yrs/100k miles or so.
@@GoGreenAutos Thank you for your response. As I know 2024 RWD LFP has new cameras and HairPin motor. Is it advantage which can cover extra 15-20% of range, which has 2022 Model Y LR?
What is your point to get used 2022 LR instead used RWD LFP 2023/2024?
I have this exact same model, love it. Our main reason to buy this was the 1.8% apr they currently have making it quite cheap /month.
Yes. The best time to order or buy a Tesla is nearing the end of a quarter, as there's a push to get the sales in. This is particularly true nearing the end of Q4. This is when I got my MY and used the lifetime free Supercharging transfer offer. While this doesn't have the same financial value as a low interest rate, for me it did as I was a cash buyer and can make good use of it.
How is it in the snow and rain?
@@nbabriant9 Rain absolutely fine. No matter how hard you push it, it wont slide out. The traction control on Teslas is incredibly quick to react. We've not had any snow this winter in the UK, so not tried yet. There's videos on TH-cam of RWD in Norway in the snow.
Great video and Tesla keeping the options simple is a plus in my book! Good financing options in the UK for this version of Model Y at the moment as well.
I was at Tesla Reading yesterday and two Model Ys there on display had "£399 a month PCH" down the sides.
Great video! Which wheel cover is wearing the car? They are look beautiful..
Done a video on them and all the details in the description th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cR_uUlJ3UheJ4eSG
Had a 3 day test drive in one of these over the Christmas break. Ended up going with a used Skoda Enyaq 80 in the end; cheaper to own and insure, and fewer concerns about parts/repair service. 3 months in, I don't regret my decision, yet.
Yes, the Model Y being group 48-50, they are expensive to insure.
In my experience, Tesla service, repair and parts are far better than other manufacturers. No servicing schedule, rangers for onsite repairs, parts are considerably cheaper. I'm going to make a video about this soon. But its typical in the UK to wait 8+ weeks for a main dealer appointment now. In my area, Tesla is 3 working days.
Good and fair comparison - thanks
Thanks. Glad you liked it.
I’ve been driving myself mad if to go for this model Y RWD. Nearly ordered one , then cancelled. But now thinking again. Just scared to go electric. Test drove it twice and me and family loved it.
If you can charge at home overnight, then its a no-brainer. If you would have to rely on public charging, then it requires more thought.
The Model Y is now the world's best selling car (of any type) and also the world's safest car. All these owners can't be wrong. You won't regret it.
Thank you , this really helps . I think I will go ahead .
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Great Vid. Where did you get the black rims or did you mod them yourself from the originals?
All the info on the black rims (actually grey & black) can be seen here th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.html
AWD long range for me. I had a RWD bmw before and I got stuck everywhere. More power too. Worth the extra I think.
I need up with RWD. 😂
1 motor vs 2 motors
60kw vs 80kw battery
150kw vs 250kw fast charging
6,9 vs 5,0 0-100
I dont call that “slightly”.
Btw if you have referral points you can upgrade your 0-100 to 4.4 free of charge.
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It made me go for long range vs standard range. So it is purely for the fun of driving and the faster charging is bonus for long trips.
The charging is actually not that much faster with the long range, as the charging speed on the long range drops of faster than the RWD with BYD battery. It will keep 175kw for much longer than the long range will keep its charge. 20kw battery and 2 motors doesnt necessarily make it worth that much more unless you are into the ridiculous acceleration
By slightly smaller battery you actually mean 25% smaller. Which is a lot.
What I hope Tesla will bring in the updated model y rwd (besides all the updates from the model 3) is improved range for the standard rwd (hopefully they can get the epa and wltp higher by 10-15-%) and much better cold weather range retention
The SR has the BYD blade LFP (if made in Germany), that battery is far better then the LG LR. 80km less range but charging is far better. Save money, same time on long distance drives
For new purchases your right, for 2nd hand market the 4WD might be a better choice, longer warranty and the price difference is much less. I do like your wheel trims, the standard silver is a real let down for the car.
Yes, in the second hand market, the LR and Performance models depreciate more and are a better buy as their not much of a premium over the RWD.
Hi - Could I please ask a question - I am looking at a Model Y RWD and am seeing 'Rear Side Wing Doors' in the exterior features - Please could you tell me what this is? - I don't want the wing doors which I am presuming this means - Ta
The wing doors (aka falcon doors) is on the Model X only.
Love the look of your wheels with the white, my parents picked up their black Model Y the other week and put the same wheels caps on, and it just transforms the look of the car compared to the silver Gemini’s!
I was also wondering, where did you get your centre caps for the wheels with the logo (in grey) as the ones my parents got were just without any tesla logos at all
All the details on these wheel trims and centre caps in this video and links in the video description th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DskYNp3iUS7Knzih
Hi - could you let me know where you got the two tone wheel covers from and also the rubber interior mats as well please? Thanks
Wheel covers - see video th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.html and all the information and links are in the video description.
Car mats - see th-cam.com/video/F2XL65KH7Tw/w-d-xo.html and all the links in the description.
is this the facelifted version or are the aero caps an aftermarket? Missing the ambient interior from CHinese facelifted Model Y.
No, the revisions (ambient lighting, black wheels etc) on the MY aren't available outside of China yet. My MY has aftermarket wheel covers, see th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OCBPheiJuG6Il1xw
I suspect the UK will get these revisions something in the Summer, which will boost sales before the new shape (Juniper) comes out sometime in 2025.
thanks@@GoGreenAutos I still think everybody is waiting for the Juniper
How do rear wheel drive operate in winter and wet roads, remember RWD cars particularly BMW could be quite slippy and dangerous if you go too hard round a corner or roundabout
Traction control works really well on EVs as an electric motor can react in milliseconds, so noting like an ICE vehicle. There's plenty of videos on TH-cam showing the RWD in snow in Norway. They're impressive.
Nice video, very helpful. However there is one aspect I don’t seem to find a lot of info on, namely the difference on regen braking between the RWD and Dual Motor. I drive an Xc40 twin (P8 2021) with one pedal and the braking on the motors only is quite impressive. At that point that the car almost never use the mechanical brakes unless the battery is charged over 95% or so. Question I have is how does the absence of a front motor affects the regen braking and increases the use of the mechanical brakes ? This could be an added cost when replacing the brake pads would be more often on the RWD. The Y is on top of my list for the futur replacement of the XC 40 twin.
As far as regen goes, there's not much difference. The dual motor will have slightly more regen, but its hardly noticeable. On the RWD, I only ever use the brakes when the battery is fully charged and the regen is reduced.
I have read somewhere that Tesla has incorporated in the software to use the mechanical brakes as well every once in a while to mitigate the problem of mechanical brakes not being used. The regen is really good on the RWD
@@OverEntusiast yes they did, which it replicated regen when regen wasn't available (due to cold battery or being fully charged). But I don't have that option in my car.
You didn't have your E-C4 for long... Thinking of getting the E-C4 for the other half. Do you recommend it? Or the Ioniq?
The Citroen's electrical gremlins I'm hearing about is putting me off...
Yes, I preferred it over the Ioniq as I liked the extra height and its very comfortable.
But its not has efficient or by the looks of it, as reliable.
Excellent review and I learned a few things I didn’t know. Particularly like your wheel trim upgrade. Do you own this car through a business? I’m
Interested to know how people are funding their cars. Can see you can lease for £399 atm with no down payment!
Most lease. I purchased mine, just because I wanted to own it and not have finance, but that's probably not the most cost effective way, currently.
my model 3 one month old when i bought it, the following day it did a software update and then the acceleration and charging speed was boosted
Many (non-Tesla owners) don't realise the importance of the over the air updates and how different that makes Tesla vehicles compared to the rest. Some other brands do over the air updates now, but not to the same extent that Tesla do. Other vehicles are made up of ECUs and systems from different suppliers, so there's a limit to what they can do.
Do you use allseason tires in your RWD or summer and winter tires? How does it work on allseason tires during winter and snow time?
The car has the factory fit Hankook summer tyres. I believe in the States, Tesla fit all-season tyres. All-season tyres do vary a lot and in the UK/EU our all-seasons are not the same as those in the States.
But when these summer tyres are worn and need changing, I will be fitting all-season tyres as they're ideal for the UK climate.
Really informative, you’ve earned a like and a sub.
Just out of curiosity, was this bought outright, part-exchanged or on PCP, HP, Lease? Additionally, I’ve noted insurance quotes on Tesla’s specifically are very pricey? Is the the case with yourself?
Thanking you in advance.
I purchased outright. As for insurance, yes Teslas are expensive as they are high performance. The Model Y RWD is group 46. LR is 48. Performance 50.
Maybe in the uk it’s different but in the US the rwd has less speakers than the awd models and doesn’t come with fog lights
Yes in the UK we get the premium sound on the RWD.
As do Australia too (someone has just commented here).
How would you compare it to the New Model 3 RWD (Highland)? I'm trying to decide between the 2 cars which to purchase!
I did look at the Highland, but for me the tall SUV style won. Its just easier to get in and out and live with. The storage space is huge.
Plus the MY had the double glazing already, felt in the door pockets etc to make it quiet and more refined than the previous generation M3.
The big difference for me also is that the MY RWD has premium sound (which is awesome) , whereas the M3 RWD doesn't.
I would NEVER have a grey car!! It blends in with the road and the dirt.
The colour is now less of a safety issue now that all modern cars have daytime running lights.
Great video
Thanks. Glad you found it useful.
Awesome car!
Is the tint on the rear windows standard?
Yes
How much worst it is in winter? Where I live -10c;-15c can least some time.
I'm not sure as we've had a pretty mild winter in the UK this year. But I've been getting around 200 miles this winter. On frosty days where I've done lots of short trips (always with the heating on at 20 degC), at worst its been 180 miles. But if it was longer driving, that would jump back up to 200+.
There are plenty of videos on TH-cam of RWD/LFP owners in Norway and others in cold climates.
Good video
Thanks
Hi Matt, does it have normal suspension or air suspension? cheers
Normal coil suspension.
Only the Model S & X get air suspension. 3 & Y have coil springs.
There is a difference in ride quality between the years, best ride is MiG SR (made in germany short range=RWD) 1st hand experience
The Standard and long range don’t have the same speaker system by the way.
They do on the UK Model Y, but not the Model 3.
@@GoGreenAutos ahh thx I guess that’s just American ones here in uk must be better
Awesome video
Thanks!
Is there a refresh on this model worth waiting for ?
Well, we may get the slight changes that the Chinese market has..i.e. the ambient lighting, black wheel trims and better performance on RWD model. These might come soon to boost sales until the revised shape (project Juniper) comes in 2025.
Always has been the best of all the Teslas.
Cost cutting (now eliminating all servicing) combined with (cracked?) castings and no driver controls is simply now the windup of the auto division in preference for the less demanding oversight of the ENERGY company.
Death by a failure to execute after being scarred by the M3 near death experience. It’s over……MEMBERS.
(Popular Mechanics magazine, decades ago, fantasised about Hyperlink - Point to Point rocket travel - Neuralink Flying Cars - Swimming Cars - Boring holes for commuting traffic - Mars being occupied ……it’s all just a rehash with money to play)
Interested to see what real world range you get. Tesla WLTP gives 260 miles. However, EV Database states 215 miles??
Typically 200 miles during this winter. But then I don't try to drive efficiently. I expect to get nearer 250 in the summer.
Looking at the trips now, I've averaged 280 Wh/mi over the last 1,123 miles (since I last reset them), which is 3.57 mpkWh. So that equates to 205 miles. That's lots of short inefficient trips, heating on full etc.
Thank you for a great video! A small correction: LFP batteries actually perform better in colder temperatures than NCM batteries
Really? I've read that its the opposite. Lots of misinformation out there!
Its opposite!
@@sschjiOpposite to which statement?
not true, the old CATL sux even at +10°C. Only the BYD LFP is on par with the NCMs
Which wheel trims did you get. Could you post a link?
All the details here th-cam.com/video/e-Bv0OBOIZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2Sy_bD9hp1Eqgp6Q
and the links in the video description
How did you know for sure Britain got the CATL, but Germany and the US got the BYD Blade? I couldn't find any reliable info on it. Tesla never made any official statements about it, either. Even the Tesla sales rep at our local branch had no clue when I asked him about it. And it's not written anywhere on our MYs.
No particular source. You're right, the info isn't easy to find. Its not on the Model Y Wiki page for example. But I get a constant stream of Tesla news and TH-cam videos, so pickup snippets all the time. But if you search for "Model Y BYD" and "Model Y CATL", you'll find various articles, such as this carnewschina.com/2023/05/22/first-tesla-model-y-with-byd-blade-battery-rolled-off-the-production-line-in-germany-its-performance-is-surprising/
In Portugal you can get the MY Long range rwd version for 48.990€ with 600 WLTP.
The MY RWD you get at 44.990€ with 455 WLTP.
I believe the MY Long range RWD is worth it
We don't have the LR RWD yet in the UK. Hopefully soon...
Would you still bother if you couldn't home charge? I've often wondered how one might last with constant supercharging as that'd be me. 👍🏻
Obviously running an EV is far more convenient than an ICE vehicle if you can charge at home while you sleep. But if you can't then it's like running an ICE vehicle where you have to go off to refuel. Except you're doing it more often and it takes longer.
So yes, I would still have an EV if I couldn't charge at home as the benefits more than outweigh the negatives, but you have to put more effort in. Many don't want to do this.
In fact I rarely charge from home now as I have free Supercharging.
@@GoGreenAutos thx for the reply 🙂👍🏻 Am still thinking of a lease.
Best advice; go for a test drive! The difference in background noice compared to M3 made me cancel my MY order.
Do as I do, buy a MYP, white car with white interior, then you get the most for your money, a stylish, fun and fast car that maintains its performance for a long time in the future for cheap money.👍🇸🇪😁 P.S You also get a genuine carbon spoiler, not a plastic copy.😁😁😁
In the USA this model does not use the LFP battery.
Currently there are 2 LFP types, the old CATL (slow charging, problems when cold) and since 4.2023 the BYD blade LFP which outperformes all other batteries in price/performance. Tesla China=only CATL, Tesla Germany=BYD, Tesla US=other stuff like 4680 or LR Panasonic only
it helped a lot i ordered two, one for myself and one for my wife. Bye fire breathers 😅
I hope you used a referral code???
One in the video description if you haven't.
@@GoGreenAutos i ordered from Turkiye, so i cannot use referral code.
What is the reality of insurance for this car and what do you pay on average
Admiral coming out on top for a lot of people. 600-700/year depending on excess
Looking on Parkers, the RWD is group 46, LR group 48 and Performance group 50. So yes, expensive to insure. For comparison, an Audi Q4 e-Tron is group 31-40.
Something wrong with your audio, some sort of interference when you are inside the car. I also went for RWD it auited us coming from a MG ZSEV gen 2 50kWh version.
The radio mic is getting fried by the electromagnetic emissions from the battery pack! ;-)
Is currently all teslas RED have BYD LFP batteries from 2024?
Nearly all Tesla Y SR made in germany from 4.2023 and on got the BYD blade. There were a few CATL with the non casting structure in fall 2023, check the VIN. XP7=Berlin, 7th dight E (BYD) or F (CATL)
Do Tesla's have battery charge pre warming
Yes
Where did you get your spoiler from?
from China on AliExpress. It was about £40.
www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004918292152.html
Hows the fitment?
@@paulloper8333 Excellent. No issues. I was in the Tesla showroom the other day and they had a Performance MY and I think my spoiler looks better than the original Tesla one.
Did it come with the mudflaps?
Tesla now fit front mudflaps as standard. I've done a video about this where I also fitted the rear flaps th-cam.com/video/bpQ---65vGc/w-d-xo.html
and you may want to see this one too th-cam.com/video/Ok0YtV_M4Pg/w-d-xo.html
the lfp can do the double number of cycles
Good to know, thanks. I wonder why warranty cover is 100k miles vs 120k on the LR?
Did you sell your Model S ?
The Model S was written off in Dec 2023 after the insurance company pulled the plug on the repairs after about 8 months.
@@GoGreenAutos Crikey! I thought you shopped around to get low quotes for them ?! So how does both cars compare ? Which do you prefer Older Used Model S or new Model Y ?
I feel like a easy way to see which model you need can be broken down like this:
Majority commute/city: RWD
Majority road trips: LR
Want speed: Performance
For most city people, the choice really is only 2. It’s either the cheapest RWD or the best Performance. I never really found LR to be too appealing for my use case as I don’t plan on driving into areas that necessitate the longest range. I’d rather get the fastest one or I’d rather save the most amount of cash.
I currently drive a Renault Zoe, which I have used for four years and I now have to change my car. I shall be getting a Vauxhall Combo Life Electric with Wheelhome Vikenze III.
In Nordic countries awd is worth to spend more for awd
Wow what a steal of a deal i should of went and swapped my ms ans got sc05 m y
I'm sure they will repeat it again. Keep an eye out at in Oct/Nov as there might well be a push to increase sales before the year end.
Sadly they've dropped the premium sound system from the RWD cars in the UK now.
Have they? I guess this is because they're now coming from Berlin rather than Shanghai.
@@GoGreenAutos Yes, correct. I guess that means BYD cells as well?
Whilst you're here, what do you think about the trend of upsizing to 255/50/19 to improve ride quality?
@@UpsideDownFork Not seen much about the BYD cells, other than some FB chat wondering if Berlin are using these or the CATL cells.
As for the tyres, I've not seen any talk about this yet. I'd be interested to see others views on this that have tried it. I would assume any that have are on the original harder suspension so any improvement will be welcomed. Owners with the revised suspension (from March 2023) will all still be on the original tyres for a while yet. I have this and I don't find it too hard or harsh. In fact it softened up as the car did more miles. Mine has now done 10,700 miles and I would say after about 5-6k miles, the suspension certainly got better and wasn't just be getting used to it.
@@GoGreenAutos Thanks for the reply. There are several reddit posts about upsizing to the 255/50/19. One gent on there has now run through 2 full sets of the larger size tyres. I believe his early model Y is now on 90,000 miles in the US.
Their consensus is that it really softens the ride. One poster has a Model Y for himself and one for his wife so could easily A/B test them.
For me, i've test driven a used 2022 Model Y here in the UK. Found it harsh, read online about the revised suspension so took a brand new Model Y for a test drive and found it to be just as harsh, if not more so. That could be attributed to breaking in suspension etc as you point to.
I think the rest of the car is great and fits our needs well, but coming from a long history of Mercedes, i'm not sure I would ever get over the firm ride?
@@UpsideDownFork The think is with a Tesla, its a high performance car that is also the safest. It needs stiff suspension to do what it can do. You can go around a corner at astonishing speed and it's like it's on rails. I found my 2024 Model Y stiff, but it has definitely improved as its worn in. I drove a newish (new shape) LR Defender recently which had air suspension and drove it back to back with my Model Y on the same roads and purposely hitting the same drain covers, bumps and potholes in the road. Both myself and the owner of the Defender concluded that the Model Y was no more harsh than the Defender and they both felt about equal. I was expecting the Defender to feel much software and absorb the bumps better as it has air, longer travel etc. But they were pretty equal and it was a real surprise. I came away thinking the Model Y suspension isn't as bad as every claims. Modern cars have stiffer suspension as they're heavy and handle better.
Thei just ordered rwd and it shows as long range with 320 miles dual motor is 308 miles
Different markets have different options. The long range RWD is a new model, which we don't yet get in the UK and this has the larger battery (same as the LR AWD).
@GoGreenAutos I understand now. I'm slowly seeing even the Chinese market model has ambient lighting in the dash, and it's a little faster. I love the channel.
Would love the LR but can’t justify the £8k increase in price
More power, more consumption, stiffer ride, more cost, poor charging....why the AWD ?
@ thanks for the reply and all valid points, but why is the charging worse?
@BwlGog The LR batt only charges fast when empty, then charge speed drops. Plug in at 50% and get low charge. The BYD only needs 20-25°C for 3C charge (all other batteries 40°C+) and you can plug izt in at hight SoC and get 3C=176. Impossible with others. So planning is easier, no need to rund down to 10% or less for fast charge
@ thank you, like the look of the Sealion 7 but early reviews raise concerns over range. I need something around the 300 mile mark due to the amount of regular travel I do
@BwlGog Get the LR RWD, charging at home is no factor in time, but more range with the LR batt. On longer drives with multiple DC charges per day the BYD blade is no drawback. The LG LR battery has more range in the RWD but you need to drain it to 10% or less for fast charge
Unfortunately the white shows the poor panal gaps
The panel gaps are all equal. I've measured them.