RWD Model Y Is WAY Better Than We Thought
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LR RWD revealed tonight. So you were absolutely right. Elon responded to Sawyer's post stating this RWD will have a software unlock option for $1500 to $2000
Seeing a lot of confusion in the comments because US, Canadian, and European RWD models are different. Despite sharing the same RWD moniker, the Model Y RWD sold in Canada and Europe have the LFP battery and should be charged to 100% at least once a week. Those sold in the US have the regular battery and should be charged daily to 80% and occasionally to 100% for road trips. When watching TH-cam videos, be sure to know which RWD is being reviewed :)
true. but starting from today the rwd nmc MY is also available în Europe
You nailed it, long range RWD was released today! Confirmed same battery pack as long range AWD, $3k cheaper and one less motor, get 320 miles versus 315 miles
I just got a RWD Model Y with LFP batter made at GigaFactory Berlin this week, feels like the best deal of everything in Switzerland, the long autonomy is +$10k and the performance +$15k
Same thing in Canada!
Got RWD Shanghai 2023. Charges to 260 miles. Can plug it in to 100% every time so we are encouraged by the Tesla app to charge it fully. 0-60 in just over 6 seconds. Just means instead of being kicked in the back hard, you're kicked in the back a little softer, but it still leaves most cars on the road disappearing in your rear view mirror when you floor it.
Just picked one up for the wife from Fremont directly, it’s kind of amazing. It even comes with the fog lights, and I’m getting about 240-250 wh/mi over the last 200miles, mostly highway speeds! It’s insane! Haha
Great to hear!
My understanding is the fog lights don't work but they are there. Another thing to upgrade later?@@TailosiveEV
There’s an accent light in the fog lamp, but haven’t seen a projector come on down there yet. Guess I need to run the light show…
Need to send my wife these vids to watch. She isn’t buying my story that I picked the best value-for-$$ Tesla out there for her.
Just took delivery of one of these with your referral code. Just took it to a supercharger today and didn’t know why it was so fast haha. It took the battery from 30% to 80% in a little less than 20 minutes. Thanks for the video covering my vehicle 😁
Wasn’t my code, probably one of my followers I promoted but thank you!
@VadersFirst this was a 2024 MY RWD?
@@SudharshanSubramanian Technically it was the 2023 since I took delivery like the day before the new year, but yes it was the most strip-down package you can get. Grey, black interior, 5 seat, RWD Standard Range Model Y.
History shows that Tesla has allowed SW locked batteries to be bought out before, but if I’m not mistaken they typically only did it right before they started shipping smaller batteries. The model s 60 got replaced by the 70 and the 60s could be unlocked into 75
I just ordered the Model Y RWD and was questioning whether I should have gone for the extra LR cost. With current government incentives and the recent $2k price drop, it just seemed to make the most sense for around town driving (usually no more than 100 miles a week). Total cost w/tax was still < $40k. Thanks for the reassurance that I probably made the right choice. I'm in the US (Texas, in fact), so I'll assume my build will come from Austin and the curves you mention should apply to mine.
Congrats!
I think the impact of any battery degradation is noticed more on the lower range models so maybe they are able to have a larger buffer to be able to ensure your range stays above say 250 miles for the lifetime of the car.
Very interesting idea. More interesting is that there are no more RWD Model Ys available on the website, only Long Range and Performance models. Could they have gone even further, and the RWDs are actually AWD with the larger battery pack but software-locked? That would be insane!
You would be able to see that as the AWD has motors for front wheels...
And axles
I would also suspect the tire wear will be less severe on the RWD model Y (USA)
Not necessarily so if you're rotating your tires at regular intervals. Front tires go to back and vice versa and all tires then would get even wear over time.
Not necessarily so if you're rotating your tires at regular intervals. Front tires go to back and vice versa and all tires then would get even wear over time.
Also, SW locked models of leased like we did could be software unlocked by Tesla later if they wish
thank you, I was actually wondering the difference in the battery, so do you suggest going to the RWD for a less price then?
How do I make sure I get a model that has a larger than advertised battery?
Are you talking about the Model Y manufactured in Fremont or Texas or the ones in Shanghai? The one coming from china are supposed to have LFP, right?
Tesla doesn’t import fully manufactured cars to the US from china (nor should they)
I’ve got a long range and a rear wheel drive - you get the same mileage in both - only difference is it’s not quite so punchy on acceleration that’s literally the only difference
How do they get the same range?
@@jasonlee4814 coz the long range can only charge to 80 percentage- even charging it to 90percent doesn’t give it more because it has two motors to run not one
@@sryev9410 That doesn't make sense. All Teslas can charge to 100%. 90 is more than 80; are you saying you get the same range at 90 percent as you do at 80 percent? That's not my experience.
im comparing my 2 cars - one standard range rear wheel drive to my long range. despite different batteries and prices they both get the same range because the usable range of the long range is equal to the usable range of the standard range in real world situations @@incognitotorpedo42
Maybe the 3-row is only made in Fremont and the RWD is only made in Austin and that could be why they don’t offer third row on RWD trim
How is the rear wheel drive in the snow and rain?
I was checking out inventory and saw that RWD Model Y, after clicking on details button states "Does Not Qualify for Federal Tax Credit", but if you build a custom Model Y RWD, it qualifies just fine for credit/rebate. Inventory only has 2023 model years and they must be some chinese battery and Tesla just got busted. I think it's LFP battery, now I really want to buy one. Even if I do, it's too late now to get the regular tax credit since it's now 2024, just the Model 3 LFP, it's too late.
Should qualify that only Fremont & Austin built RWD Tesla model Y likly have the 2170 Panasonic batteries, our cars in Canada are CATL LFP equipped.
I spoke to a Tesla sales representative today, when considering the purchase of a Model Y RWD. He claimed that all Model Y's have the same battery pack size. He actually said that the RWD is just software limited. So, I think it's a pretty safe bet that it is.
To be fair a lot of the Tesla sales reps have no idea whats going on or they lie their asses off. I have gotten so many nonsense answers from so many right-out-of-school Tesla sales reps 😅
It says LFP in the RWD config and Li-ion in the AWD config.
Makes sense. Remove the front motor, it becomes 200 lbs. lighter. If it used a smaller pack, it'd be under 4000 lbs.
I don’t think they delivered those standard S / X Models
The berlin version is the blade battery , vin number starts with xp
Can't wait to order my model y RWD in 2024!
Here in US. Just took a delivery of model Y RWD last week and the battery pack is 70kwh. What’s the long range back pack size?
was it from Inventory? if so, those don't get the tax credit. the message is pretty clear when you click on the detail. I think this just showed up yesterday, I don't know. I just now saw it today. If you custom built it then you're good, just inventory ones are saying "Not qualified".
@@jon-slem I’m pretty sure it qualifies when I place the order cuz the sales representative confirmed as long as I can take delivery before end of last year I’d be qualify for the tax credit.
@@luckerww If you picked up last year then yes since all Y and 3s qualified then. as of this year, it seems RWD Model Y "in inventory" are not anymore which means they must be LFP or some battery that doesn't meet the criteria. I really thought it was 2170 but obviously not. If it's LFP then you're gold. How do people find out since Tesla isn't saying anything. They got busted big time making people think those cars had 2170 batteries.
@@jon-slem mine certainly not LFP since it’s still suggest charge to 80% for daily use. Not sure if it’s 4680. How do you tell if it’s 2170 or 4680.
@luckerww If it isn't LFP, then it must be the 2024 MY RWD correct?
I just charged up and saw 250kw on my MY RWD 23’
Instinct is to complain about software locks as if there isn’t a cost to using the full battery, but there is a warranty/longevity of 🔋 benefit to having larger caps for tesla. If it’s cheaper for all, then it’s a win win
Agree. This is a win for the consumer. Kick-ass charge curve and better battery life. Double-win.
I've bought TMY RWD on november 2023 (Berlin) and there is that user should charge battaries to 100%. So I'm charge it daily to 100%. Or?
Me too. That's what the oncscreen instructions say. set charge always to 100%
It’s not . That battery at 80 percent charge is under 200 miles
Any idea on speaker configuration on RWD 2023 vs RWD 2024?
2024 MY in europe has 13 speakers, subwoofer and 2 amps, in USA MY 2024 has 7 speakers, no subwoofer and 1 amp.
I bought a rear wheel drive Y February 16 2024 and it has at least 12 speakers probably 13 and base is good so I think it's identical to long range. Not sure about fog lights but they aren't important to me. No partial shelf. Bought on for 85 usd from tesla. I wish they would say if the battery is the same or not. I think it is because they needed the point of sale tax credit of 7500 and the 2170 Panasonic qualify.
Used long range cars get the acceleration boost included for free
this is such an interesting development. thanks for the updates!
Lfp is better... Flat charge rate and can charge 100%
Are the Shanghai models gonna get a software update to enhance the charging experience?
Oh I forgot, we have the LG cells. Damn.
Place in the same battery pack because you can avail the point of sale 7500usd credit. That 7500 made the car much more affordable.
Another thing to consider about RWD vs AWD is tire replacements. With RWD the rear tires are replaced more than the front wheels and AWD vehicles get all 4 tires replaced more often.
More “often” than, what?
@@Harrythehun all 4 wheels have to be replaced whenever the tread is gone in the rear tires for the AWD.
I think AWD Model 3’s and Y’s are both 100% RWD most of the time, using the front induction motor only when traction is limited or when strong acceleration or deceleration is called for. So I suspect tire wear would be similar for AWD and RWD if driven gently. But if not driven gently, then I agree with you that tire wear should be more even with AWD.
Can’t see that on my parents cars. They’ve got a Model 3 RWD and a Longrange. On the RWD we rotate the tires every year. Both got the same amount of wear on the tires considering they mileage. I would say my parents aren’t the sportiest drivers but the both enjoy the fast acceleration a lot!
Do you not rotate your tires????
Well looks like it's confirmed a LR battery as tesla will be offering a range unlock for up to an additional 60 miles. $$
Funny because right away the rwd is now called the LR rwd on Tesla's website.
I just got one and it is amazing
I think, the manual says 100% for RWD and 80% for AWD? but recommend 80% for RWD as well. Can u confirm?
On the model y it recommends 80% for both RWD and AWD
@@TailosiveEVare you sure ? My Model Y RWD recommends 100%
@tafl-9198 u must be in Canada 🇨🇦
@@user-oo7se1ed8t Europe 😅
@@tafl-9198- yes, it’s show 80%… may be dependent upon production place… I bought in us…
"fewer" cells, not less.
Those numbers make me think that is the BYD Blade battery. It has a faster charge rate and will hold high charge ramp for longer. Bjorn did some testing and I'm very impressed with that battery pack. I'm not sure when they changed over, but not every RWD Model Y has these batteries
Waitin 2 rwd from gigaberlin ❤
Did anyone ever buy the 93 mile range Canadian Model 3? If so did they ever software unlock that battery? I was thinking that Tesla stated that you could buy that model at a reduced price but it'd never be allowed to be unlocked.
The WHAT?
@@dylanwhite6539 Tesla basically offered a 150km Model 3 at a price below $45,000 that they didn't intend to sell to meet a price cap for all Model 3's to be eligible for a tax rebate. I'm just curious if they even sold one with the range capped like that.
@@marksparks8852 so by offering one model at a certain price they were able to allow all the more expensive trims to get a tax credit? That’s wild. From what I found some were registered, but extremely low numbers. I hope it was single digit
@@dylanwhite6539 yes. offered at $44,999 all Model 3's were eligible with that one being under the $45,000 threshold so long as the total price with options was below another cap of $55,000 if I remember correctly. I didn't figure any were sold since Tesla said it would never be unlocked. They didn't want to sell any at that price, they just made one available at that price to circumvent the tax rules. They've been pretty clever about getting around things like that, like in the U.S. where states have prohibited them from selling they've made deals with native reservations. If there's a loophole that will get them past a government restriction they seem to be able to find it. 😁
So is this "same battery pack" going to make Tesla battery constrained?
They’ve said in the short term they aren’t cell constrained
I just don't like the idea of software locking the battery like this. And it's not because of the "I already paid for it let me use it!" mentality, but as a waste of resources.
Manufacturing different sized battery packs also takes up more resources
Then why limit the 0-60 to 6.6 seconds?
There’s only 1 motor
@@TailosiveEV I have the original Model Y SR and it's 0-60 was 5.8 seconds
It seems to me that if Tesla was making a Long Range RWD model Y, they would actually sell it as the Long Range model Y. Why limit its profit potential?
The same reason why Apple sells two storage options even though the physical chip is the same but the supplier disabled half the storage.
Some people want to buy a short-range model. Now everyone who wants to buy long range model still can. But now they can sell a short range model.
The problem is that building a second factory and running the factory to produce smaller batteries, The batteries are cheaper but the overhead cost of running the second factory just make the second battery size actually cost more than the amount of savings. This means that it's actually cheaper to just limit it in software that it is to spend all of the money building the second factory when they're never going to make enough...
I know it seems backwards but it actually means that with the money saved they can lower the price of both models by a little bit... The alternative is to just lose the customers that can't afford the long range to competitors.
80% of 260 is 208 miles and that's if you drive it to zero. So realistically you're going to get about 100 miles of real world range in the winter. I have the 2023 MYP and I supercharge (exclusively) to 90% and then recharge at 15%. With that I get 110 miles in the winter and in the summer I was getting 170 miles. I wish the range was better but it's not that big of a deal. I charge once a week and cost me $10 - $15.
The driving experience is just fantastic. It's the best car I've owned. When I buy a house all that won't matter so yeah I would still pick the performance over the other models. It's a much better car to drive and you don't see many performance models but standard range and long ranges are everywhere.
If you care about range the non performance will get much better efficiency
You're artificially limiting yourself. Car is capable of more, clearly. On the daily, range is basically irrelevant. On the rare trip you need 100% range, charge it up to 100% and drive. You don't need to be afraid of your car. Just drive.
@@TecnamTwin How is it capable of more? I drive from 90% down to 20%. Tesla says not to drive below 20%. I never road trip so that’s useless for me. When my charge gets to 20%. I pre condition the battery and then drive 12 miles to a supercharge and I end up with 15% battery.
That’s what’s I said I don’t baby the car. I drive it like an ice car. That’s why I get 110 miles per charge.
Chevy Bolt owner here. I drive from 83% to around 40% every day, right at 100-104 mile commute. Average 200 miles range but I don't use it all. Summer it's 220 ish, In the winter it's closer to 180 miles, 83%-0%. I can't believe the model y has that poor efficiency. 70% of your 78kwh pack only goes 110mi? That same distance is only 42% of my 66kwh pack, and the CD on the bolt is worse, isn't it, than the Y? I really want to get a Y but this sounds bad.
@@maj429 That’s for the model y performance. Yeah in summer it was better 170 but winter range is bad and that’s driving it like a normal person and using heat and everything. If I was to baby it I could probably get another 20-30 miles. My wh/mi for summer was 270ish and for winter it’s almost 350.
It’s honestly the best car I’ve owned. Super fast and smooth. Love the app and so many other features. It puts ice vehicle to shame. It’s a heavy car and the performance has big wheels which doesn’t help range. I like the car but I’m not a Tesla fan boy making TH-cam videos. Just sharing my real world experience. My daily commute is just 20 miles so charging once a week works for me but the ideal situation would be to have a home charger.
2nd!
It would make more sense if Tesla is limiting the bottom of the battery pack, and not the top. That way the bms will still balance the cells when it gets fully charged.
But fully charging the pack wears it out a lot more. Better to limit the top so the battery last longer years and so it's empty, it charges faster when empty.
BMS balances cells all the time lol
Not true@@pilotavery
@@SpeakerKevin Yes it does. Tesla even says so. Limiting to 80% charge by default... They do that now 🤣
They have a button you push to charge to 100% before a trip.
Also the last 20% is a trickle charge. Lower battery charges faster.
@@SpeakerKevin lithium batteries charge fastest when empty and slow down the more full it gets. Also wears out more.above 85% which is why Samsung has a "battery protect" mode to limit charge to 85 on cell phones and why Tesla by default only charges to 80%
1st!
$5K gets you AWD, faster 0-60, longer range, seems like a no brainer.
It has 69.6kwh battery ……. So it does not use a long range battery and software lock it. It is a smaller non LFP battery.
Could you please confirm & delete the video. This information is misleading & incorrect.
The the software limit is disgusting if they actually wanted to advance Eva they would have them as cheap as possible
They have never been cheaper
This is fantastic. People only need to pay for what they need. I hope they do this with the Model 3 as well. I love being able to subscribe to only the features I need when I need them.
as a business on the stock exchange they have a legal obligation to their shareholders to do their best to remain profitable. If they sold as cheap as possible there would be no profit for reinvestment in to new tech & it wouldn't take long for them to go out of business completely. I'd rather see them make a profit and remain an industry leader. Eventually that will force other manufacturers to try to keep up thus leading to competition that will reduce prices & increase the quality of everyone's products. Profit isn't necessarily a bad thing.
@@marksparks8852 People who understand the car manufacturing business will tell you that by offering a software limited car, they are improving the utilization rate of their factory, and thus are actually making MORE money. They aren't losing money by doing this.
Not "less cells." "Fewer cells" is correct English. Look it up..