Honda Accord Hybrid Mechanical Review | The Failed Hybrid
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Here's an in depth look under the hood and underneath the first Honda Accord Hybrid!
The 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid was the first V6 powered vehicle to enter the hybrid world 15 years ago. It featured a J30 3.0L V6 engine with an electric motor sandwiched between the flywheel and torque converter of its slimmed down 5 speed automatic transmission. Additional features over the standard Accord included electric power steering, active engine mounts, active noise cancellation, variable cylinder management, an electric/mechanical A/C compressor, aluminum rear knuckles, hood and rebars. It was classified as a mild hybrid with a battery pack mounted behind the rear seat back.
In this video we take an in depth look at the engine, transmission, hybrid drive system, steering, suspension, exhaust, brakes and cooling systems of the Accord Hybrid, in the context of primitive hybrid technology available in 2005. Overall the hybrid tries to build on what was an already mechanically excellent Accord, but fails to do what a hybrid should have done: save fuel and reduce cost, which ultimately led to its discontinuation for the 8th generation Accord.
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0:00 Introduction
0:15 Engine
7:57 Hybrid System
10:24 Transmission
12:47 Steering
13:13 Brakes
14:20 Exhaust
15:25 Suspension
20:01 Cooling
20:41 Fuel System
21:05 Final Thoughts
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You guys wanted a Mechanical Review on a Honda and a Hybrid...here's the Honda Accord hybrid!
You should review a CR-Z next!
What year Honda is this ??
He mentioned it in the video it’s an 05
Pretty good car , obviously it wear out like any other car .
Keep in mind that in the us 🇺🇸 this 2005 hybrid is from japan unlike most of the hondas are 🇺🇸
I have a question about the active mounts. Can they work properly if the hybrid battery is dead or weak? Also can other mount be installed without the connecting the electric plug sensor for the front and back mounts?
I definitely found this the most interesting version of this Accord's generation.
Even the taillamps came from the Japanese market Honda Accord (called inspire)
@@kclefthanded427 only the 06-07 model year
This was the most obvious year where they just threw a handgul of crap at the wall to see what might stick.
Crazy to think they green-lighted a J-series V-TEC block for the Accord.
19:46 "this piece of rust is the sway bar" lmao
It literally was rust...shortly after, a piece in my eye ...sighhh
That’s a lot of added complexity for a little more horsepower.
Yeah it was 15hp
It’s more about the badge on the back
the IMA was more of a torque fill motor at low revs and when running on 3 cylinders.
But, think of the baby hump-back midget penguin bears that you save by driving this! It saves you a whole half a mpg for only $20,000 more!
@@operator8014 oh my gosh....
'Plastic fuel tank won't rust as quick as the rest of the car'. Lmao
The Hybrid was rated at 37 mpg highway, the 4 cylinder was rated at 36 mpg highway but for a lot less money. That's what killed it. I owned a 2005 (used) for short time. Once its issues were taken care of, it was a great car, I loved it.
Very interesting about the cylinder deactivation and the active engine mounts
Videos to come!
Question #1 on speccing engine mounts for a 2006-11 Odyssey: does it have leather?
last parked in the sea.
Canada is not kind to cars.
@@mugensamurai copy that, spent a few years on the Alaskan coast.
Always cool to see high mileage hybrids. A testament to reliability, given the extra complexity. Looking forward to the future teardown vids 👍
We have a 2005 hybrid accord with 240,000 miles on it. Since 2009 we have lived in New Hampshire. Still runs great. Been a great car and we have gotten our money out of it.
Yep they sure last long. Have you had to replace the battery?
I worked as a lot attendant at a Honda dealer back in 07. These were my favorite car to drive.
Another great video! I love your format of reviewing the entire mechanical aspect of a car, very unique and interesting.
Yep I'm trying to be unique for those who appreciate mechanical things
You were not kidding about the rust. Damn, what do they throw on your roads?! Acid? Greetings from Croatia.
Basically. It's called brine
Subbed after watching that amazing CVT teardown. Really great presentation and knowledge.
Thanks, I have alot more mechanical reviews on new cars. Check them out
I've got a Honda Accord CL7 2.0 160HP. Best car ever, like a Camry.
What year and model
@@raycervantes6829 2005 CL7
I drove this vehicle for 396k km (almost 250k mile). Original hybrid battery, 4 sets of tires, three sets of brake pad, almost 6 transmission fluid changes, many oil changes. A few maintenance issues with the suspension components. I did indeed needed to change the air intake accordion. At around 375k km, the engine started to misfire and my local mechanic was not able to permanently fix it. Donated what's left of the car to a charity.
I now drive a 10 gen accord hybrid.
Mine is at 275K miles, still no mechanical or engine problem. Some electrical problems though.
@@MrDdz congratulations man, after the 5 years lease it feels so good to just pay for scheduled maintenance and gas for 10 years.
@@thdjjfsfh I didn't lease it. I bought it used when it already had 200K+ miles haha.
@@MrDdz nice!
Here’s a really nice and extremely reliable hybrid with 261,000 miles. 2011 Lexus LS600HL
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Thanks for going over all parts of the car in depth! I have the same car (non-hybrid V6) and learned a lot, especially about the suspension design.
I had no idea about the electric engine mounts. That was a surprise to me considering the age of the vehicle
Alot of older vehicles have them. Even the Murano engine I recently tore down
tonc
2000 Acura TL had active engine mounts...
Champion, you know your business, man, you're a natural teacher !!
I think its cool to go back and see how what was once new tech held up
Yeah it's cool to see how they've held up
12:41 - As an S2000 owner, I laughed my ass off. Good show!
No Torque lol
Aluminium oil pan on a Honda, when companies like BMW use plastic oil pans, steel is not even cheap enough for them
At least everything else is either aluminium or plastic as well, so that it doesn’t rust like this Honda. Oh and it drives nice as well.
Honda is cheaper than bmw
Do they really use plastic oil pans?
@@carholic-sz3qv Honda is a cheaper price. BMW is a cheaper quality. Dont confuse price with quality.
@@beast11135 yes and plastic valve covers
My father has a 2007 Accord Hybrid. Weren't driving it much and as such the battery IMA fault came up. Bought a Grid Charger and wired it up. After balancing all the battery cells a couple times the car is driving well with no IMA fault/battery issues for a couple months now. It's heavy boat like drive and slow shifting transmission are the negatives.
Great vid. I always enjoy watching.
Thanks
Great vid, can't wait to see the teardown.
Engine is already out !
Another brilliant walk through! Thanks!!!
Honda Engineers: How Complicated do you want the new accord
CEO: Yes
I don't see this complicated at all
Honda’s are easy. You should work on German cars if you want to see complicated
@@paulh373 German car, buy it new and enjoys for 5 years and sell it to someone else to worry about.
Very good review! When I have to change a lower ball joint on a Honda I always put a new wheel bearing (sometimes a hub also) in since the knuckle has to come off. It you put cheap ball joints(or wheel bearings) since they’re loaded you’ll be doing the job again in a few months usually.
Good choice
As always sir great job :)
Thanks
Great intro as aways. I concur with your conclusions but would add the extra weight cancels out all the fancy suspension setup. I test drove this model and found it front heavy.
Agreed. Front heavy
Thank you very much for uploading this. I was planning to get a 06-12 Honda Accords and was wondering if it was an OK idea. Overall seems not bad ill be trying to get the Inline four rather then the V6. I appreciate the review have a wonderful day brother.
thats why I am here. I found one for $2500 and was wondering if it was a turd or not.
Thank you for a most informative presentation.
Thanks!
Today it would be called a mild hybrid, i.e. not a hybrid at all - just a regular gas car with a shaft mounted starter-alternator.
Yep
He literally said in the video it was a mild hybrid did you not watch the video??
This engine bay looks like a nightmare.
It is, but it's no worse than many other FWD cars. I managed to replace the rear plugs by lowering socket extensions with my fingertips; the clearance around the timing chain cover was so tight I ended up filing off part of it. A least there is no alternator or power steering pump in the way.
You're doing great 👍
LOVE the way you present your teardowns! Any chance you'll do a Mazda Rotary at some point?
Thanks. Yeah if I can get my hand on a rotary
RX8s are pretty worthless now, and were terribly rust proofed.
"hot air from the engine bay" died laughing at that one
No.cold air intake from the front
wat
I liked the first electric cars that had a small engine used only to charge the battery, with an engine on each wheel, they were really fast and got great mileage IIRC. I'd like to see that done again.
Too much regulations
Thanks very useful video salute to your hard work .
Good review 👍
I really love my new 2020 Honda Insight Touring car. 46 to 50 mpg. Great gas and driving too
Great video! thx
You are welcome
amazing content
Thanks
The 7th gen Accord hybrid V6 actually has a lighter hood, aluminum front and rear crash beams, and rear aluminum knuckles to lighten the overall weight of the car due to weight increase from the high voltage battery in the rear. Most of those parts can be swapped onto the standard non-hybrid V6 to lighten the car. The 06-07 hybrid also has a rear diffuser which was also designed to allow better air flow out and under the car, this is also interchangeable onto the standard Accord.
How much pounds in weight savings do you recon those parts saved?
THANKS FIRST TIME I UNDERSTAND MY ACCORD HY
The IMA system makes more sense on a 4-pot, or the first gen Insight where it counted for a much larger part of the power output.
Must be joy to work on one of those
If it isn't rusty sure
As a CR-Z owner, this was neat to see.
@ speedkar99 Great video, love all the infos. I have a little suggestion that you can think about it, can you make reviews like this on newer models, like most Americans are shopping for right now. Stuff like what is the quality of it? where there’s technology stands at? Just some thoughts, still will continue watch your video no matter what. keep up the good work.
All of my past reviews have been on new cars...check them out
@@speedkar99 thank you for the reply I will definitely looking into it
Damn the price of rust will collapse at the stock exchange when you will scrap this Honda ! Can't wait to see the insides of the electronics modules !
Yep I'm looking forward to it too. This car has seen too many Canadian winters
speedkar99 u in Canada ?
Watching from Edmonton. Love your videos. Please make content about the internals of different AWD and 4x4 systems. I make videis about the trucking industry in the oilfield.
Hi from Toronto I have an AWD video.
If you can you should do a tear down of one of honda’s automatics since they don’t use planetary gear sets
They don't??
@@speedkar99 they do not, they’re design is more like an automated manual
their new 10 speed auto on the other hand uses planetary gear sets
great video as always btw!
I would love if you can do a video about toyota prius gen2
Such an amazing car
As much as I love my gen 2 prius I wouldn't get another one . the more it aged and ran it just started to fall apart .
A BACK UP STARTER! Im shook!
I have a 06 accord hybrid and im only getting 16 mpgs and can't figure out why, any ideas?
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Hi from Canada
Great review; it would be greater now to do modern hybrid car to see the advancement.
I'm going to tear this one apart to see how it works
I bought one of those cars off cl for 800 bucks wrecked. I had Swaped it in to my 03 accord coupe and put a new chinese battery in place of the failed oem battery and everything works and the car is a rocket and rock solid reliable. Only thing i had to do was swap the oem hybrid k frame into my 03 coupe and run the wire inside under the carpet for the hv lines and its all working and nobody knows anything different. Mpg is 20-25 in town and 28 hwy. Its a heavy car.
@speedkar99
should I grab one with only 50k miles on it for $4,800? I would mostly use it as a grocery getter over the next ten years. What should I ask the dealer about it? What should I be looking for if I test drive it? Thank you
The IMA system worked pretty well for me when I was driving a 2011 Honda Insight for four years. Fuel economy was pretty awesome actually. It did about 60 MPG (4L/100KM), had do drive it pretty hard to get it below 50 MPG. This was the only car I ever drove where the fuel economy specs were worse than what it would actually do. I drove it from Rotterdam to Paris and back (about 900 km/560 miles) on a single tank of petrol, and the Insight's tank is _small_, just a bit over 40L (10 Gallon).
It would start on the starter motor once every 50 or so starts, to prevent the starter motor from getting stuck. And it would drive short bits, up to a mile or so, on battery power only, but only at constant speed and below 25 or 30 MPH.
Too bad that the government decided to change emissions based taxes when I had to pick a new car. The Insight had just a tiny bit too much of CO2/km so that doubled the monthly tax on that car. Had to settle for a Renault Clio IV estate, which in theory would be more fuel efficient, but I averaged that car on 35 MPG...
@@snackler6102 of course not. Tax rules change every few years so you never know what kind of stunt the government is going to pull next.
There are multiple taxes on a car here. First is the emissions tax when you buy a car, the more CO2 per mile the more tax is added to the purchase price of a car.
Second is the monthly ownership tax, based on the weight of the car, low emissions or zero emissions vehicle pay less or even nothing.
Third is the tax for private use of corporate vehicles where you have to add a percentage of the vehicle’s catalogue price to your taxable income, and again that percentage is based on the emissions of the car.
These percentages/rates/CO2 limits change every couple of years and completely change which cars are popular and which are not.
Around 2010, hybrid vehicles had no added purchase tax, no ownership tax and the lowest category tax for private use of corporate vehicles. Resulting in a lot of Priusses and Insights being sold. Which was exactly what the government wanted.
Four years later, the government decided that this policy was a bit too costly and they were missing out on too much tax income, so they lowered the CO2 limit on those tax rules so only EVs would benefit from them. As a result, a huge number of hybrid vehicles were exported to other countries which still were subsidizing even second hand hybrids, and lots of people (including me) decided to go for a smaller ICE vehicle since Hybrids became thousands of euros more expensive overnight.
Greetings, I have a problem with my honda accord hybrid 2005, the check light on and the IMA light on, I bought the new battery, the new battery was mounted, then the dashboard lights went off and now it turns on again and there are two codes, P0ac4 and P0a7f. I think it could be the powertrain control module but I don't know where it is if you could help me please
1:58 nice new tool - can you do a video of your tools? That' be very interesting IMO
My tools are so bad that would be an embarrassment lol
The Milwaukee is a nice set. Finally cordless
please no, you must...especially the toothbrushes and misc undergarments lol
@@speedkar99 can you do a video on the new Chevy Tahoe/Suburban?
"Ohhhh that sounds sick!"
The cumbersome air intake box was left open that's why it sounds like that
@@speedkar99 I was going to say, sounds like an open intake honda v6, till I saw teh intake cove popped. Love the sound of those engines.
I have a 99 accord that’s so clean underneath you wouldn’t believe it was 20+ years old. Someone hit and ran though, suck so pissed off I was going for 300k
7:48 sounds pretty good under revs.
It does. The air intake box was slightly open that's why.
Enjoy your mechanical reviews of vehicles. Can you / will you do one on how to defeat the stupid auto idle stop that's plaguing new vehicles? A way to permanently disable it so that it doesn't come on if the owner doesn't want it on.
Most cars have a button...
My bro just bought one of these. What are some common major problems associatedwith the hybird accords?
We fixed the heads but it wont charge and steering code..but it never charged before swap
Honda JPN: "we can build a hybrid to save fuel", Honda USA: "but we want more power so add to the V6", Honda CAN: "whatever he said (it's not like you'd listen to us anyways)"
Took me till the end to realize you WERE using your brother's toothbrush, was telling myself subconsciously thought this video that something was missing lol.
Are you able todo a mechanical review on 2018-21 Honda Accord 1.5t
I always wondered what kinds of heating strategies would be used for heating vehicles in Canadian winters when it comes to hybrid. Second comment/question : locomotives use diesel engines because of their high efficiency as generators feeding electric motors for drive. I wonder why diesel has not been a go to element for hybrid segments in the automotive industry.
Electric heater.
Locomotives use electric motors for drive because there's simply no reliable way to put all that power into the rails without going electric.
Using a generator to power electric motors, which don't require a clutch or a torque converter, end up being the most reliable way to do so.
Does anyone know where the inertia switch is located on this specific vehicle?
Can attest to the " any honda under 2005 is bound to have transmission problems" my old 2004 at about 153k miles had a nasty grind shift from first to second and reverse on the old 4 speed auto. The tranny was rebuilt and it ran until 170k unti it was sold. Considering it was bought used at almost 40k miles I would it served its life well!!!
Not bad but still needed that rebuild. Yours was 4 cylinder I assume?
@@speedkar99Yup lil'peppy 4 banger with the 4 speed auto, surprisingly gets just about the same mpg as my 2nd gen ridgeline
@@hieuhughesle-au9884 We did a rebuild at 261,000 miles on our 2003 Accord. Sitting at 295,000 miles now.
@@midwestfarm757 dang!! Solid!!
@@hukmai genuine honda fluid every 30k miles and highway driving probably helped.
Sir where is the location inverter coolant reservoir & pump & where is the hybrid battery fan on This car???
I would love to hoon a V6 Accord on all space save spares.
The Accord (and Civic) hybrid was made in Japan which unfortunately made them more prone to rust in locations that use road salt.
Can you review the IS250 engine 4GR-FSE please?
I’m about to purchase a 2005 accord hybrid, 100k miles.. my issue is battery, obviously
I test drove it today and the battery was at the halfway point and it would fluctuate up and down at times when I would accelerate and idle the car.. it drove great but I wonder if the battery will need to be replaced soon
Was the IMA light on?
Thank god you made a video about this car, i have the same one 05 Honda Accord hybrid i hate it so much, but I’m glad you’re telling me a lot about it, i subbed during the vid, also where do you live, i might have to go to you so you can check out my car, cus there’s a leaking on my motor.. and I dont know what it is, and are you saying i can turn off the hybrid and just drive w gas???!!!!!!
No because the car has no alternator
@@speedkar99 can i put an alternator on??
Definitely going to have to get your bro a new toothbrush now.
Too bad for him
Nice video where is the ( dc converter ) thx
Anybody on here that’s owns an 05 hybrid accord know anything about barometric circuits engine code? Plus mines started over heating when I push the gas can’t tell if it’s the thermostat or a leak
Never heard of that. Get a copy of the manual
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW YOU SHUT 3 CLINDR TO SAVE FULE
Work on these hybrids would not be less than a nightmare for mechanics..... all that mess just for 15hp....
Bro I have one and can’t find the water pump where is it? Can someone help me
I just don't know if the new Accord hybrid is any better but it is somewhat quicker than than 1.5T. Can i still find parts for this old hybrid? I'd bet they're not gonna be cheap
Well I'm gonna part this one out eventually, once we dig in and learn how it works.
This accord had been through a lot... like a lot, poor thing
417,000kms
It had a good life
@@speedkar99 and still kicking, long live the king. I wish mine can reach that mileage
(≈ 260k miles)
417,000 km for a Honda is nothing it’s just beginning it’s Life I have an 05 with the same mileage and I am in British Columbia, you can eat off of it, you guys back east are so plagued with that salt on the roads
@@james442w30 yeah, that salt eats the metal like nuts, I have anti-rust proof so it helps but still, I really dislike winter
I am fascinated by the new Accord Hybrid. The engine is almost never connected to the wheels! There isn't a plug-in version but it looks ready for it.
Would love to review one of those
@@speedkar99 15 years they will look like this 05'
Well the Clarity is basically a plug in version of the accord hybrid.
Waiting for a civic review!
why are all the wheels spares?
Where is the alternator located
it's interesting nissan didnt advertise their hybrid altimas more, not to my recollection anyways. my mind was blown back in the day when i found out they were using toyota's HSD.
How can I off the battery light because no alternator and the battery light is on
May I ask what you primary business is, a junkyard owner or mechanic (besides being a TH-camr)? What are you doing with the parts after taking it apart? This car still runs. I would think you can sell it more as one piece, No?
I'm a Mechanical engineer. The cool parts like gears I keep. The engines I'll make into coffee tables. The rest goes to scrap.
e.g.r. is used to reduce peak temps in the combustion chambesr to reduce NOX
Help. I just bought a used one. My miles are only 19/20. Im getting it ready for a tune up. I just put gas treatment in on my last fill up. Half way through the tank load and no difference yet in miles. It obviously an older car, but still. I just spent 1100$ on a dang used or rebuilt battery. Ill have it paye doff in 8 months, buying it from a mechanic friend. He will do the tune up next week. What else can I do to improve the mileage because I drive pt for a food delivery service. This car is deff and improvement over my 95 Ranger gas wise though. The Range needs yet another transmission so its parked until this is paid off. ANy information will be nice. Thanks. Althea
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I got mine new in 2006 and seldom got better than 21 MPG in mixed city/highway driving. If I went on a lot trip, it went up to 27 MPG; not much to write home about. On the bright side, my next-door neighbor, who owned a V6 Accord coup at the time, borrowed it and immediately noticed how much more power it had.
I really love all the info but my God, I don't remember a video with more ads in it. 11 sections x 2 ads!
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Make a video on dct if possible
Yep I'm looking out for one soon
Man these things flewwwww though.