I was going to mention that..I think Cody watches a lot of CSI shows. Lol Great Video Mike...Looks like this Quarantine has treated you well. Your face grew out and you seem to have a bit of a glow in the hair too. (: Cheers Bro
Nice video but honestly that machine is way too complicated! This one is so simple here, shouldmakea how to with it: th-cam.com/video/4R4Q9Y-sW-s/w-d-xo.html
If you don’t have a laser or you want a bigger area of light use a projection alarm clock. I did that as it was getting dark outside. Don’t know if sunlight is a factor or not.
@@GoTechTraining How long does it take to do a smoke test from start to finish? I have a P0440 code and a P1441 code, do you think that's a purge valve or charcoal canister?
Mike, thank you for the really great walk-through, it was very informative! I would have liked to have seen a real test on a vehicle that actually had a known leak that you knew where it was to see what it looks like.
@@GoTechTraining I found one for 100 bucks but not sure how to close the vent solenoid since my scan tool is autel md806 pro and I don't think I can use it to close it as your snap-on did. direction on how to do this would be great.
Thanks for a great video. It was very informative and well explained. I’m trying to troubleshoot a small EVAP leak and this was perfect for helping me understand how the system works.
Excellent video with the perfect amount of educational information. I have seen too many videos from others that are either too long because they dwell on useless information or others that are too vague and don't offer enough information. Of course, I have seen some videos that give incorrect, bad and sometimes dangerous information. Those should be reported and banned but that is another topic. I thought your video was very educational, to the point and covered everything in a short amount of time. This is an excellent video, IMO. Congratulations and thanks for what I consider to be an excellent presentation. Also, I use a laser pointer and it has enabled me to find leaks that I may not have seen without it. Of course, I'm 60 years old and my eye sight isn't as good as it once was. lol
Fantastic walk through. Clear and concise. I have a PO442 error code on my 2012 F150 Lariat 5.0 I feel I can confidently now trace the leak. Thank you !
@@GoTechTraining I had my fuel pump changed and ever since then my check engine light comes on with a P0440 code. I had replaced the gas cap and purge solenoid and it still comes up. Sometimes when I put gas in the check engine light goes away. Do you think the fuel pump was the cause because it started from there?
Autool st206 .$ 289.00 have had for 4 years . Works fine for me retired 67 with very limited income. Have found and repaired a po442 and po456 on my 06 subie sti . Also used to find exhaust leak on 99 toyota rav4
If you’ve watched all of Mike’s videos on the EVAP system and you still don’t know how it operates,you either haven’t been paying attention or you have a comprehension problem. Great video as always Mike! 👍
@@GoTechTraining Perfect answer! it's easy to think that you've explained it to a point everyone should understand and if they don't then they must just be an idiot. A true teacher will look at himself and find more ways to explain it until everyone gets it. understanding that everyone learns differently! i've seen the light bulbs in people's minds come on in real time by finding that specific way for that specific person and it's a truly awesome thing to witness!
Good job. I refill my machine with baby oil. A lot cheaper and smells good. Another thing is I bought a smoke machine for smoking intakes for vacuum leaks. Much cheaper than a evap smoke machine. You just have to add a inline check valve so gas fumes cant back flo into the machine. And test the check valve before each use.
I appreciate the video and it was very well done. If I could make a request it would only be that you zoom in and show the actual thing you're holding up in your hand, or show a separate shot of it sitting on a workbench so we can see what it looks like up close
Great video, I smoke tested my 2009 pontiac g8gt and I have to use a latex glove and ty-wraps to seal of the throttle body. Shouls I be getting smoke out the throttle body. Perge valve is closed and vent valve is close.
If you don’t have a laser or you want a bigger area of light use a projection alarm clock. I did that as it was getting dark outside. Don’t know if sunlight is a factor or not.
Great info, thanks. Maybe someone can answer this. My understanding is the entire purpose of the EVAP system is to prevent gas fumes from going into the open air, ie outside the tank. And in fact those fumes are trapped and drawn back into the engine through the purge solenoid, and burned like fuel. Which was the first thing referenced in the video. So why is the vent solenoid in the Open position? Thanks.
Another great diagnostic video Mike. I seem to remember seeing some smoke machines that had duel smoke test modes for evap and other areas/parts. Anyway, good to see you again, take care stay well.
I was working on my 96 Explorer, Had a P0455. Turns out the 1/2" steel evap tube from the purge valve to the canister was full of rust holes :lol:. I was smelling gas. I recently replaced the tank too. Going to replace with a 12' rubber fuel line.
Hey man, I hear ya! I have them all here, pocketed and not pocketed! Just need to put something together and go live once lockdown is over ;) Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Hello Mike,I have a 2010 F150 4.6 that has error code 466 and 455 and when I checked the Evap vent solenoid by applying voltage from separate battery source it functioned normally. When I checked for reference voltage at connector with key on engine off i had 0 volts.I checked the purge solenoid connector and had 12 .15 KOEO. Both of these sensors should have 12.15 volts from parallel connection (same green wire color)when key is on and PCM controls switching thru ground side. This failure of canister vent would also explain the 455 (gross leak) code wouldn't it. I am right to just focus now on looking for break in circuit. Thanks for great video.
Thanks for the video. $1500 for a smoke machine! Yikes. I built a DIY one with parts I had around the house, and made a video of it. Laser light tip is a great idea. Good to know that some cars have a self evap test... didn't know to check for that.
Hey Ross, yeh 1500$ is a steep price. But for a mobile tech or something along those sorts, it's worth it. It'll earn 10 times that in it's lifetime. Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Hey Ross. Maybe you already know this but still worth sharing. After i made my first one i got a good tip from Keith at New Level Auto. He said if testing evap system with the homemade smoke machines to disconnect the machine from the car BEFORE shutting off the air supply. That way you dont get fuel fumes backfeeding into your heater apparatus causing any accidents/injury. Fantastic advice. I still do that even now with my Smoke Pro machine.
Is there a video somewhere that shows how to close the solenoid at the gas tank? I know you explained it but would be awesome to see it done. Other than that, great video. Easy to understand.
Great video. I have a 2019 VW Jetta. I'm smoke testing and see smoke coming out of the round vent next to the canister. The vehicle is turned off. Is this a sign that the valve is open and bad?
I don’t have any fancy scanner to close the vent valve. Can I disconnect and pinch the hose completely closed where it connects to the vent valve and then run the smoke test? (Assuming I know the vent valve is not the problem). Thanks
Hey Mike, sure you could do that. Like you said, that's assuming the vent is ok. You're taking it out of the system at this point. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Great info, thanks. I have a 1991 toyota celica that i want to check through, it smells very rich whilst warming up, has poor fuel economy, and there is always a rush of air when i remove the gas cap to fill up, is this normal? Otherwise, it runs well, plenty of power etc?
Great video but you lost me on the part with manually closing the vent valve. Are there any other videos you have showing what you mentioned in the video?
When I used my scan tool to do the self test. Evap system the gas cap was doing noise, maybe because I have a vented gas cap, but the tested passed ok. The problem I'm having is that my car has trouble starting in hot days, and also after filling the tank. What it could be, it's toyota Corolla 2003 engine 1.8
Great video. Can you tell me how I can close the vent solenoid on a 2013 Dodge Avenger 2.4 with out a snap on Polaris? Can't I just pinch off the hose?
Hello, A 2013 Dodge Avenger runs a ESIM Evap system and does not use a vent solenoid. The best way to test is to locate the ESIM which is mounted on the canister and pinch off the hose between the ESIM and filter. Hope this helps! Ryan Wilsing, Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Cool. This is the same part that fixed my last P0455. I felt compelled to run a smoke test to check integrity of the entire evap system. You all are great
GREAT VIDEO!!! The hardest part I find using a smoke tester is closing the system. I don't own a snap-on Solus... That is yet.. So my daughters car has the P0456 and P0457. Ride is a 12 model Avenger with the 4 banger engine. Moving past the typical cap I've checked the following. 10" of vacuum holds indefinitely on the purge solenoid. When applying 12vdc on and off she opens and closes and holds vacuum as it should. Next, I visually checked the seals inside of the evaporative pump. Nothing out of the ordinary? Reassembled everything. My smoker is mineral oil based and has been my go to tool for engine sealing and is very effective. My question is how can I close the system on a 2012 Avenger to accurately perform the smoke test?
Hey Media Junkie, thanks!!! That's a ESIM system on there. It has the little white and black assembly mounted to the canister that has weights inside of it. Check out my video covering Chrysler evap. I get into it there. Look in the EVAP playlist for it. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thanks for the vid! I'm confused about the vent solenoid. Why is the vent solenoid 'open' with engine off? Do you mean it's open to the air? That would defeat the whole purpose of the EVAP system, lol. Or is it simply open to the EVAP system? And if it is open to the system, wouldn't you want it that way for the test?? I've got my new smoke machine coming tomorrow (8/29/2022), so I want to do this right. This dang P0442 code is driving me nuts!
Hello, The vent solenoid is open unless the vehicle is testing the system for leaks. This is because the fuel tank needs to vent with the expanding and contracting associated with temperature change. This ok be cause all the venting must first go through the charcoal canister to be scrubbed before entering the atmosphere. The system checks for leaks because if there was a leak, hydrocarbons would be able to vent from the tank without first going through the canister. To smoke test the system you must first close or block the vent solenoid off. I hope this helps and good luck finding you leak. Ryan Wilsing, Technical Instructor
Thanks for the video! Sorry I didn't get if the car has to be running to perform the test. I have a 2003 Kia Sorento, but I'm not sure were to put the hose...!?! Thanks
Super helpful. Been chancing an evap leak in a 2004 Corolla for a while and I didn't understand the vent valve was normally open or how to close it. Any guess what the least expensive scan tool is that has the ability to close the vent valve and read the pressure?
I have a 2001 Silverado 5.3l what do you think my leak would be from p0442 small leak only turns on every other week or 2 weeks what would you guess that's coming from if you had to guess?
Hey Kdsom, thanks for watching! Honesetly, you're best option is to take it to a trustworthy shop and have it smoke tested. A P0455 is a leak code. You could have a cracked line or hose somewhere that you may never find without leak testing. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Mike, I have 09 s80. I monitor the EVAP-flow while driving. Its reading is 0.36 g/s. Is it normal? Is it should be 0 at most of time? No DTC code, but mpg dropped from 25 to 21 recently. Long term fuel trim is about 5-6%. Thank you
Hello, I believe that scan tool pid on the s80 is showing calculated purge flow volume. It is normal to have that amount of flow while driving. 5-6% fuel trim is not bad either. If your after a recent MPG drop, I would start by checking fuel quality. Thanks for the question! Ryan Wilsing, Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining thank you for your reply and knowledge. There was no check engine light. There is gas cap message after filling up gas. I do see a p0445 via vida. Clean the gas cap. Tested and cleaned the purge valve. Applied some rubber conditioner. Then the code becomes p0441. Reconnected the purge valve 2 days ago. No code so far. But mpg is still 20-21, was 25 mpg couple weeks ago. There must be a leak somewhere.
I've replaced that exact purge valve solenoid for 2016 traverse twice now. Same result for both times, engine light will stay off for a few weeks and then throw the p0496 code again. Any ideas/recommendations? I haven't replaced gas cap yet, guess that would be the next cheapest. However, what would cause a new purge valve solenoid to work like it should for a few weeks and then get stuck open?
smoke testing on a 2013 silverado 1500 LMG. P0446 code. applying smoke behind purge solenoid as you did i have smoke in the tank but not at the vent valve. I disconnected the line from the canister to the vent valve and still no smoke. does this suggest a plugged charcoal canister???
Yes it sounds like the canister could be plugged, to prove this I would take the hose off the canister that goes to the tank and see if smoke comes out. ~Ryan Wilsing
Question. I ran a smoke test and there’s smoke coming out around the gas cap. It’s a brand new cap and there’s no cracks on it. I also have no EVAP code but I do have two lean codes. P0171 and P0174
Hey Darvin, Thanks for watching! Interesting. So an evap leak back by the gas cap won't cause a lean condition. I would fix the lean condition first before spending time on an EVAP leak that may or may not actually be a problem. ~Mike
Need some guidance here, I did a smoke test for vacuum leaks on my Ford and one of the places smoke was coming from was the vent holes on the bottom of the diaphragm part of the egr. The smoke isn’t coming through the little vacuum line though, because that still holds vacuum and opens and closes the egr properly. The smoke is coming through the intake side of the egr. Further investigation showed that I could suck a decent amount of air through the egr even when it was closed. Anyone know if this is supposed to vent this way? Any guidance or advice would help a lot
Hey guys, the laser light idea came from Cody over at Cody's Auto Diagnostics...check him out here! th-cam.com/channels/7AtpaCPv1QXYa-yE2sPQbQ.html
I was going to mention that..I think Cody watches a lot of CSI shows. Lol
Great Video Mike...Looks like this Quarantine has treated you well. Your face grew out and you seem to have a bit of a glow in the hair too. (: Cheers Bro
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Nice video but honestly that machine is way too complicated! This one is so simple here, shouldmakea how to with it:
th-cam.com/video/4R4Q9Y-sW-s/w-d-xo.html
If you don’t have a laser or you want a bigger area of light use a projection alarm clock. I did that as it was getting dark outside. Don’t know if sunlight is a factor or not.
This is a great EVAP smoke test video. I am a auto tech and I would definitely go to a class this guy was teaching.
Absolutely AWESOME tutorial! Very refreshing to get automotive instructions without also getting motion sickness from bad camera work. THANK YOU!!
Hey Kenneth, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining How long does it take to do a smoke test from start to finish? I have a P0440 code and a P1441 code, do you think that's a purge valve or charcoal canister?
@@kimberlysmith3628 purge valve
Typically outstanding fact-filled demonstration.
Well done, Sir Mike.
Typical world-class comment, thanks James!!!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
"I really appreciate you guys watching".
No, Mike. We REALLY appreciate your vids!
Fox
N/W Scotland.
Hey Fox, without you guys I wouldn't be able to do this!!! I truly do appreciate each and every one of you! :)
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
My friend is letting me borrow his smoke tester, thank you for showing me how to perform one.
Did you get it?
Hands down the best instructional video I found.
Wow, thank you so much!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Totally agreed!!! Very easy for a lay person to understand even!
Been working on cars for about 5yrs I done about everything and I hate evap codes! You broke it down perfect thank you
You're welcome! Thank you for watching!
Love this!! No annoying music in the background, straight to the point.
Mike, thank you for the really great walk-through, it was very informative!
I would have liked to have seen a real test on a vehicle that actually had a known leak that you knew where it was to see what it looks like.
Thank for telling how to test for a Leak and setting up the Vent valve manually.
You did a very great job on explaining this! Many videos just talk and talk and no actual showing. Cheers!!!
Hey Roni, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Totally agreed!!!
Best video on Evap testing & smoke machine usage on U-Tube! Nice job!
Agreed!!
Very informative video and good instruction. Lost me with the $1,200 machine but appreciate the tip for closing the vent without a scan tool.
Hey Don, thanks for watching! You can find smoke machines for cheaper. Sometimes used ones can be a great deal.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining I found one for 100 bucks but not sure how to close the vent solenoid since my scan tool is autel md806 pro and I don't think I can use it to close it as your snap-on did. direction on how to do this would be great.
@@A.C.71 Use a hose clamp to pinch off the vent line at the solenoid.
Need bidirectional scanner
@@GoTechTraining Thanks for the used ones tip!!!
best explaination yet.... thank for the straight to it talk.
Thanks for a great video. It was very informative and well explained. I’m trying to troubleshoot a small EVAP leak and this was perfect for helping me understand how the system works.
Your videos are Great! You explain everything in detail and show what equipment or tools that are needed!
Thank you Mike. Good job. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
Hey Billy, thanks a lot! You as well :)
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Excellent video with the perfect amount of educational information. I have seen too many videos from others that are either too long because they dwell on useless information or others that are too vague and don't offer enough information. Of course, I have seen some videos that give incorrect, bad and sometimes dangerous information. Those should be reported and banned but that is another topic. I thought your video was very educational, to the point and covered everything in a short amount of time. This is an excellent video, IMO. Congratulations and thanks for what I consider to be an excellent presentation. Also, I use a laser pointer and it has enabled me to find leaks that I may not have seen without it. Of course, I'm 60 years old and my eye sight isn't as good as it once was. lol
I agree with you JL
Fantastic walk through. Clear and concise. I have a PO442 error code on my 2012 F150 Lariat 5.0
I feel I can confidently now trace the leak. Thank you !
Now that's what I like to hear Sean! Good luck with your diagnosis!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining I had my fuel pump changed and ever since then my check engine light comes on with a P0440 code. I had replaced the gas cap and purge solenoid and it still comes up. Sometimes when I put gas in the check engine light goes away. Do you think the fuel pump was the cause because it started from there?
Gasket probably not seated properly.
Like always a very thorough explanation CHEERS enjoyed the stepped procedure
Hey Anthony, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
You are good. Great communication skills. I see teaching in your future
Yes, I believe Cody was the one who suggested using a laser light to Mario. Awesome tip. Great lesson Mike.
Thank you Wyatt!!
I added a pinned comment to give credit where it's definitely due :)
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
I think I mentioned using them on SMA or other a long while back, but sometimes I get going on comments far too much lol
@@codysautodiagnosticsprogra8706 Thank You for the laser tip!!!
Great video Mike! I Like the home garage videos, keep it up
Thanks man! Check out the pinned comment. I believe I've now given credit where it was due :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Autool st206 .$ 289.00 have had for 4 years . Works fine for me retired 67 with very limited income. Have found and repaired a po442 and po456 on my 06 subie sti . Also used to find exhaust leak on 99 toyota rav4
Hey Piri, sounds like the tools done you well!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
You do need a psi regulator to restrict psi pressure. I keep it at 1 to 2 psi
Great video and was the best articulated explanation I needed to verify what I thought I needed to do
I feel educated after watching this. Nice video!
Hey Wayne, thanks for watching!!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Wow thanks man. Out of all the evap videos I've seen you answered my question. Hopefully I can now figure out my p0441 code.
Very well done, Mike .... Thorough information and presentation easy to follow details. Thank You!
Very great detail buddy, thanks!
Thanks Carlos!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Totally agreed!!!
As always, excellent and informative. Thanks!
Thumbs up from me, specifically for the last part when you mentioned about intermittent problems. Good vid.
Thanks for watching!
Glad you enjoyed it!
~Ryan
Great video Mike. Never thought of the laser light before. Will try it next time. Stay safe.
Hey Mike, thanks man! Hope all is well in Canada :) you stay safe as well!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Great video and information Mike. Thank you.
Thank you for watching!!!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Very good and informative video Mike, thank you!
Great info. Thank you and the laser light is brilliant
If you’ve watched all of Mike’s videos on the EVAP system and you still don’t know how it operates,you either haven’t been paying attention or you have a comprehension problem.
Great video as always Mike! 👍
Hey Nick, thanks for watching! Some people just need things explained in a different way :)
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Perfect answer! it's easy to think that you've explained it to a point everyone should understand and if they don't then they must just be an idiot. A true teacher will look at himself and find more ways to explain it until everyone gets it. understanding that everyone learns differently! i've seen the light bulbs in people's minds come on in real time by finding that specific way for that specific person and it's a truly awesome thing to witness!
Thank you so much ! this is the video for my DIY evap test
Hey, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Hey Mike with the Magic Smoke Good one See Ya soon I hope
Hey Jim, how to properly use that magic smoke ;)
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Good job. I refill my machine with baby oil. A lot cheaper and smells good. Another thing is I bought a smoke machine for smoking intakes for vacuum leaks. Much cheaper than a evap smoke machine. You just have to add a inline check valve so gas fumes cant back flo into the machine. And test the check valve before each use.
Great video. Just the info I was looking for. Thanks
very well made and informative 👍👍👍
Thanks Ruff Riffing!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Totally agreed!!!
I appreciate the video and it was very well done. If I could make a request it would only be that you zoom in and show the actual thing you're holding up in your hand, or show a separate shot of it sitting on a workbench so we can see what it looks like up close
Thank you for the video! It was a big help!
Great video, I smoke tested my 2009 pontiac g8gt and I have to use a latex glove and ty-wraps to seal of the throttle body. Shouls I be getting smoke out the throttle body. Perge valve is closed and vent valve is close.
If you don’t have a laser or you want a bigger area of light use a projection alarm clock. I did that as it was getting dark outside. Don’t know if sunlight is a factor or not.
This is an amazing tutorial, thank you!
Thanks Mike. Well done.
Great info, thanks. Maybe someone can answer this. My understanding is the entire purpose of the EVAP system is to prevent gas fumes from going into the open air, ie outside the tank. And in fact those fumes are trapped and drawn back into the engine through the purge solenoid, and burned like fuel. Which was the first thing referenced in the video. So why is the vent solenoid in the Open position? Thanks.
Another great diagnostic video Mike. I seem to remember seeing some smoke machines that had duel smoke test modes for evap and other areas/parts.
Anyway, good to see you again, take care stay well.
Hey Mike, i've seen them as well. Like 2 machines in one. Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Great job young man.
Love this video. Perfect 👍
Thank you!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
That is fantastic video. Thank you 😊
Very good video on evap testing
Thanks a lot for sharing knowledge. Regards sir.
Thank you for watching!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
I was working on my 96 Explorer, Had a P0455. Turns out the 1/2" steel evap tube from the purge valve to the canister was full of rust holes :lol:. I was smelling gas. I recently replaced the tank too. Going to replace with a 12' rubber fuel line.
Thanks for that tip!!!
very educative. Thank you
Hey Sesha,
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
~Ryan
Mike, Mike, Mike, I need more shirts. We need a final Jeopardy question.
Hey man, I hear ya! I have them all here, pocketed and not pocketed! Just need to put something together and go live once lockdown is over ;)
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
That machine will be so convenient!!!
It really is Philly...it's my favorite smoke machine by far.
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Thanks! Very helpful 👍
Thanks for watching and supporting the channel!
~Ryan Wilsing
Great video. Very informative..
Thank you Mike!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Hello Mike,I have a 2010 F150 4.6 that has error code 466 and 455 and when I checked the Evap vent solenoid by applying voltage from separate battery source it functioned normally. When I checked for reference voltage at connector with key on engine off i had 0 volts.I checked the purge solenoid connector and had 12 .15 KOEO. Both of these sensors should have 12.15 volts from parallel connection (same green wire color)when key is on and PCM controls switching thru ground side. This failure of canister vent would also explain the 455 (gross leak) code wouldn't it. I am right to just focus now on looking for break in circuit. Thanks for great video.
What adapter do you use to hook up to the evap service port?
TH-cam, put this video at the top of the SEO algorithm
great video, very helpful. Thanks
Super clear and concise tutorial. Thank you! Subbed!
Hi Diab,
Glad you like it, thank you for supporting the channel!
Ryan Wilsing
Thanks for the video. $1500 for a smoke machine! Yikes. I built a DIY one with parts I had around the house, and made a video of it. Laser light tip is a great idea. Good to know that some cars have a self evap test... didn't know to check for that.
Hey Ross, yeh 1500$ is a steep price. But for a mobile tech or something along those sorts, it's worth it. It'll earn 10 times that in it's lifetime.
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Hey Ross. Maybe you already know this but still worth sharing. After i made my first one i got a good tip from Keith at New Level Auto. He said if testing evap system with the homemade smoke machines to disconnect the machine from the car BEFORE shutting off the air supply. That way you dont get fuel fumes backfeeding into your heater apparatus causing any accidents/injury. Fantastic advice. I still do that even now with my Smoke Pro machine.
@@mikeburton1733 Thanks for the tip!!!
Same on the self test. Will search that out.
Great detail video.
Thank you very much Cheng Saetern.
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
I’m curious, is the code for the evap canister the same as the code for anything else including a gas cap problem?
EVAP codes can be a pain...Never trust what the code says at face value. Always test the system as a whole.
~Mike
@@GoTechTraining thanks..it says “Gross leak” by the way..
@@GoTechTraining turned out to be the sensor only..
Mike is teaching, everyone be quiet. :)
Haha thanks Wyatt :)
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Is there a video somewhere that shows how to close the solenoid at the gas tank? I know you explained it but would be awesome to see it done.
Other than that, great video. Easy to understand.
Great video. I have a 2019 VW Jetta. I'm smoke testing and see smoke coming out of the round vent next to the canister. The vehicle is turned off. Is this a sign that the valve is open and bad?
Thanks a lot for the tip , Go Tech👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Hey Salvador, thank you very much!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Nice video 👍👍
Thanks Patel!!!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
I don’t have any fancy scanner to close the vent valve. Can I disconnect and pinch the hose completely closed where it connects to the vent valve and then run the smoke test? (Assuming I know the vent valve is not the problem). Thanks
Hey Mike, sure you could do that. Like you said, that's assuming the vent is ok. You're taking it out of the system at this point.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Very good we'll explained
Hey Nigel, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thanks for the information !
Thank you, very good info.
Great info, thanks. I have a 1991 toyota celica that i want to check through, it smells very rich whilst warming up, has poor fuel economy, and there is always a rush of air when i remove the gas cap to fill up, is this normal? Otherwise, it runs well, plenty of power etc?
Great video but you lost me on the part with manually closing the vent valve. Are there any other videos you have showing what you mentioned in the video?
Great video!
When I used my scan tool to do the self test. Evap system the gas cap was doing noise, maybe because I have a vented gas cap, but the tested passed ok. The problem I'm having is that my car has trouble starting in hot days, and also after filling the tank. What it could be, it's toyota Corolla 2003 engine 1.8
Hey Rocky,
I would check your purge solenoid for sticking open.
~Ryan
what does the vent in a scion xb look like? and can you just seal it up just for the test?
Great video. Can you tell me how I can close the vent solenoid on a 2013 Dodge Avenger 2.4 with out a snap on Polaris?
Can't I just pinch off the hose?
Hello,
A 2013 Dodge Avenger runs a ESIM Evap system and does not use a vent solenoid. The best way to test is to locate the ESIM which is mounted on the canister and pinch off the hose between the ESIM and filter.
Hope this helps!
Ryan Wilsing, Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Cool. This is the same part that fixed my last P0455.
I felt compelled to run a smoke test to check integrity of the entire evap system. You all are great
Nice one Mike as always good info as normal enjoy the videos more brain teaser nxt keep my mind active in lockdown cheers
Hey Terminal Diagnostics, brains going to mush during lock-down, huh? haha!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Totally agreed!!!
GREAT VIDEO!!!
The hardest part I find using a smoke tester is closing the system. I don't own a snap-on Solus... That is yet.. So my daughters car has the P0456 and P0457. Ride is a 12 model Avenger with the 4 banger engine. Moving past the typical cap I've checked the following. 10" of vacuum holds indefinitely on the purge solenoid. When applying 12vdc on and off she opens and closes and holds vacuum as it should. Next, I visually checked the seals inside of the evaporative pump. Nothing out of the ordinary? Reassembled everything. My smoker is mineral oil based and has been my go to tool for engine sealing and is very effective. My question is how can I close the system on a 2012 Avenger to accurately perform the smoke test?
Hey Media Junkie, thanks!!! That's a ESIM system on there. It has the little white and black assembly mounted to the canister that has weights inside of it. Check out my video covering Chrysler evap. I get into it there. Look in the EVAP playlist for it.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thanks for the vid! I'm confused about the vent solenoid. Why is the vent solenoid 'open' with engine off? Do you mean it's open to the air? That would defeat the whole purpose of the EVAP system, lol. Or is it simply open to the EVAP system? And if it is open to the system, wouldn't you want it that way for the test?? I've got my new smoke machine coming tomorrow (8/29/2022), so I want to do this right. This dang P0442 code is driving me nuts!
Hello,
The vent solenoid is open unless the vehicle is testing the system for leaks. This is because the fuel tank needs to vent with the expanding and contracting associated with temperature change. This ok be cause all the venting must first go through the charcoal canister to be scrubbed before entering the atmosphere. The system checks for leaks because if there was a leak, hydrocarbons would be able to vent from the tank without first going through the canister. To smoke test the system you must first close or block the vent solenoid off. I hope this helps and good luck finding you leak.
Ryan Wilsing, Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining - Thank you! It's impressive watching you effortlessly go through the diagnostics and repairs. Well done!
@@ChevySS1968 Totally agreed!!! Knowledge means less to get flustered about. Glad to have found this video. It answers a lot. :)
Thanks for the video! Sorry I didn't get if the car has to be running to perform the test. I have a 2003 Kia Sorento, but I'm not sure were to put the hose...!?! Thanks
Super helpful. Been chancing an evap leak in a 2004 Corolla for a while and I didn't understand the vent valve was normally open or how to close it.
Any guess what the least expensive scan tool is that has the ability to close the vent valve and read the pressure?
Hey John, thanks for watching! I would look into options from either Autel or Launch.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I have a 2001 Silverado 5.3l what do you think my leak would be from p0442 small leak only turns on every other week or 2 weeks what would you guess that's coming from if you had to guess?
I changed fuel cap, then purge solenoid and last charcoal canister and still have p0455, and check fuel cap. Honda accord 2013
Please any advice, i have no smell or any visibly issue at least to me the car owner
Hey Kdsom, thanks for watching! Honesetly, you're best option is to take it to a trustworthy shop and have it smoke tested. A P0455 is a leak code. You could have a cracked line or hose somewhere that you may never find without leak testing.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining thank you mr Mike i will take to the dealership then.
Great Job
Hey Benny, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker Senior Instructor
Mike, I have 09 s80. I monitor the EVAP-flow while driving. Its reading is 0.36 g/s. Is it normal? Is it should be 0 at most of time? No DTC code, but mpg dropped from 25 to 21 recently. Long term fuel trim is about 5-6%. Thank you
Hello,
I believe that scan tool pid on the s80 is showing calculated purge flow volume. It is normal to have that amount of flow while driving. 5-6% fuel trim is not bad either. If your after a recent MPG drop, I would start by checking fuel quality.
Thanks for the question!
Ryan Wilsing, Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining thank you for your reply and knowledge. There was no check engine light. There is gas cap message after filling up gas. I do see a p0445 via vida. Clean the gas cap. Tested and cleaned the purge valve. Applied some rubber conditioner. Then the code becomes p0441. Reconnected the purge valve 2 days ago. No code so far. But mpg is still 20-21, was 25 mpg couple weeks ago. There must be a leak somewhere.
I've replaced that exact purge valve solenoid for 2016 traverse twice now. Same result for both times, engine light will stay off for a few weeks and then throw the p0496 code again. Any ideas/recommendations? I haven't replaced gas cap yet, guess that would be the next cheapest. However, what would cause a new purge valve solenoid to work like it should for a few weeks and then get stuck open?
smoke testing on a 2013 silverado 1500 LMG. P0446 code. applying smoke behind purge solenoid as you did i have smoke in the tank but not at the vent valve. I disconnected the line from the canister to the vent valve and still no smoke. does this suggest a plugged charcoal canister???
Yes it sounds like the canister could be plugged, to prove this I would take the hose off the canister that goes to the tank and see if smoke comes out.
~Ryan Wilsing
Question. I ran a smoke test and there’s smoke coming out around the gas cap. It’s a brand new cap and there’s no cracks on it. I also have no EVAP code but I do have two lean codes. P0171 and P0174
Hey Darvin, Thanks for watching! Interesting. So an evap leak back by the gas cap won't cause a lean condition. I would fix the lean condition first before spending time on an EVAP leak that may or may not actually be a problem.
~Mike
You're the best!!👍
Need some guidance here, I did a smoke test for vacuum leaks on my Ford and one of the places smoke was coming from was the vent holes on the bottom of the diaphragm part of the egr. The smoke isn’t coming through the little vacuum line though, because that still holds vacuum and opens and closes the egr properly. The smoke is coming through the intake side of the egr. Further investigation showed that I could suck a decent amount of air through the egr even when it was closed. Anyone know if this is supposed to vent this way? Any guidance or advice would help a lot
Hey brother one question, you mention that the vent selenoid has power all the time. Does that include when the car's switch is OFF?
Good question!
No it only has power with the key in the ON position
When I do a smoke test, smoke is pouring out of my EGR diaphragm. Is that normal ?