Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio - Better than an M3 or C63 ?!
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- The Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio is a racing car in saloon car clothing and had simply THE best steering feel of any car I've driven. Thanks to the owner Eddie, I get to drive my first Alfa and experience the impressive all round performance of this Italian M3 slayer ! Amazing staight line performance, superb turn in and balance through the corners and one of the best feeling semi-auto gear changes out there !
Thanks to Eddie for letting me drive his beautiful car and for giving such great insight into ownership. I tried my best to get him on camera !!
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I drove one of these at the weekend. I now want one. It’s a serious sports car disguised as a saloon car. The ride is lotus-like, steering razor sharp, engine magnificent and you wouldn’t really know it’s turbocharged. No lag to speak of, just masses of thrust that builds into a fantastic crescendo. The Germans can’t do driving excitement like this.
For me it's the steering that is the most impressive thing :-)
You drive an Alfa with your heart and not your head, it's a feeling you cannot describe. Thankfully, the newer ones have substance to back it up with too.
So true !
Interesting number plate.
Lets hope this car gets Alfa back on the right track.
So much cooler than a BMW or Merc, and people won't hate you...lol
The owner had an M5 a few years ago !
Nice video. I test drove this car last month and have yet to stop thinking about the sheer joy I felt throughout my time behind the wheel. The last time I felt that much fun driving a car? Driving a Ferrari 458. So, yes, I agree with your comment about the steering! I love this Alfa!
Cheers Julian, they certainly are very special !
why dont u buy one :)
bought the 280 hp gas verion in the us. understandably i have spent countless hours watching reviews on this car, mostly for the Quadrofolio and your review is the best amongst some very good ones. the Quadrofolio is inspirational and stirs excitement though the 280ph is fun as well with essentially the same razor sharp steering response and has the D mode. D mode even in the 280 hp version at slow speeds (50 - 70 kilometers per hour) shifts like a race car providing thrills for the driver and front seat passenger.
Wow, thanks for this. The Quadrifoglio is indeed a superb car but I have also reviewed the diesel Giulia Speciale and that is also a very impressive car. Steering and gearbox are the highlights for me :-)
radiogreenblue I would like to mimic you comment. I have the To Sport and just love it, but can’t stop watching the reviews on the QV!
I'm a M4 fan for life, but this Alfa's exhaust sound is way better than the latest generation of Beemers.
Bimini Bob I have a friend that loves BMWs and drove my Alfa. His words were, “I would take this over a BMW any day!”
Chris Albitz I’ll probably never get a chance to drive an Alpha, but I’d like to. But speaking practically, I’d prefer the *slightly* better reliability of the BMW. I also think the next gen M cars are gonna have a better exhaust note.
Full disclosure: I can’t afford any of them.
I don't think that the topic has to be so polarized. Every beautiful car is beautiful. I'll take a Maybach Benz, M3, AR, STI, and my roots; Civic Type R. This Alfa is not better than an M3. Not for what an M3 is; a super daily driver. M3 is not better than it either, just different cars.
I love the fact that this is the second Quadrifoglio review I've seen with a baby seat in the back. My Veloce arrives in July. First child should arrive in December, so it's great to see that the Alfa is a popular family car! ;-)
Firstly congrats on the imminent arrival :-)
Great car for the family and then I saw one on track last week and it was flying :-) I've also driven the Speciale which was very impressive too.
Simply put: to appreciate an Alfa you just have to get in and push. It's all about you, the road and the driving experience. No need for super fantastic infotainment systems and electronic assistance systems, Alfas are made to give you goose bumps on the road. Audi and BMW are for accountants, Alfa is for the drivers. Period.
Well said !
Great drive, i could tell you loved every minute of it too! and unlike so many other testers you did not try to find any shortcomings with it being an Alfa, you just got in and enjoyed it, that is why true petrol heads buy them...
Thanks Peter. It was hard to fault to be honest !
Shortcomings? Got to be very few if any. We had it side to side with a Mercedes AMG C63S, and i was shocked at some of the trim slip-ups we discovered on the Merc, loose trim on rear bumper, loose trim in passenger footwell ... Found none of that in Giulia. (Both cars were new, demo units)The Merc’s steering also feels heavy and ungainly compared to this. The C63 is a muscle car.. Giulia is a supersaloon, agile, sure footed, even with an average driver. And the Merc is simply put, well, boring compared to Giulia, also WAY less special..
Incredible Car ! Beautifull design and modern technology! A-ma-zing Car
Yep...can't argue with that !
Fabulous video. Thanks for posting. 😊👍🏻
My pleasure :-)
We've owned 9 Alfas, but all pre-159 era. The steering dynamic is so vital - acceleration enjoyment is transient, cornering excellence endures better and longer.
Beast!
Yep !
Great video again , almost like you have done this before
Great review!!
Thanks Roger 👍
Nice work. I think these cars look great.
Especially from the rear !
Great video!!!! Outstanding car!!!!
Cheers Carlos 👍
*Petrol, this is an older video so no one will read this, but just the same, thanks for taking time/effort to make and publish a very keen review. And also a super thanks to the QV owner who graciously let his machine be used for a review - it's folks like him who give car reviewers access to mostly inaccessible cars - that make these reviews even happen so kudos to him and others like him; So thx again Pertrol and QV owner-donor*
Cheers Tommy. It's an older video but I still read and reply to the comment. The owner is now a friend. He's got a lovely Lotus Exige now 👍
@@PetrolPed *If I might ask 2 questions - I am seriously considering a QV and I'm doing as much due diligence as possible before the dreaded experience of going to a dealership. First question: can I be Eddy's friend too? I mean talk about FWB! ;) Second and serious question (although that one was only half tongue in cheek I'd love to be friends w/ a generous QV owner lol)...one thing I **_hate_** about many (most) saloons is whilst driving in a spirited manner, and on a moderate curve (see e.g., left curve you enter at timepoint **13:58** . . . think of that curve maybe a titch more curvacious) . . . let's say at 60-80mph . . . in the middle of the curve the pavement has a lateral (left to right) 'flaw' for example - a culvert underneath that's raised the pavement a tad, or a overpass with a cold weather expansion plate . . . I haaaate it when the rear wheels hit said imperfection at same time and causes the back wheels/rear of car to 'hop' a bit, a stutter of sorts. I'm wondering if you or your QV friend who really is an amazing person in every respect (my obsequiousness was also planned b/c I want him as a friend!) can comment on whether the QV has the dreaded rear wheel 'chatter hop' in a curve at speed. I'm not articulating it well but those who know what I am trying to convey, know that tendency of many cars' rear wheels to jump-hop a tad when on a curve and both rear wheels hit the little bump (always a lateral road flaw from L to R across the lanes) as the car passes over it* *Sorry that was excessive verbiage but its hard to describe. And, I endeavor to flatter your friend so he will be mine too*
Lovely video Mr Ped.
Thanks Mr Ray :-)
Small correction, automatic ZF8 gearbox version you driven did 7:32 on Nurburgring, 7:39 was manual gearbox version time they achieved a few months earlier, before AT8 were available.
I currently own an Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Sport ans absolutely love it! I am considering getting rid of it though...to upgrade to a Quadrifoglio! Fun cars!!!!
QV is mega 👌
Do it, a truly great car! I had mine for 2 years, faultless and made me smile every day 😁
I totaly agree with the title of the video. Alfa Romeo has always been and steel is a sensational car with brilliant performances. That is high quality car and dream of many people.
You were great petrol ped 😉😁
So much more drama with the Alfa compared to it rivals! I know which one I'd choose! 👍
If I can't afford an Alfa does that disqualify me as a 'true' petrolhead? Of course not - you're the real deal man... great vid!
Loved that A wolf in sheeps clothing 👍👍🏁
Awesome car
If I had money, this would be a no brainer.
For real.
Great video. A modern car I like? Could be!
Blimey...it must be good !
It’s a great car. Nothing comes close at the price
Nice video once agaon Peter. Very informative. Any thoughts about including a few videos in ‘classic’ cars?
I really want to do that. I have one being planned at the moment :-)
Petrol Ped nice. Looking forward to that. We were at a classic car show on Sunday. The wife bought a 97 MGF....she was looking for a hat at the time !!
Great video as always, but some of the sound volume mixing was a little deafening at times.
I've had a couple of people tell me that so I will be looking into it. I have to edit and record voiceover while I am away from home and I think this messed thing up a little. Sorry :-(
*Timepoint **11:26**..."We've got about 510 HP, italian horses." Literally, 20 seconds later, a bunch of horses cross the motorway. That is so magnifcently & unwittingly prescient it defies words* !
I planned that 😂
The M3 Killer, wow. What a car!
It sure is :-)
I did my DofE in the New Forest last year.
Interesting to note the carbon bonnet was manufactured by Swiss company Gurit in Hungary..... who had (past tense) their engineering development team on the Isle of Wight..... I worked as development engineer on "Project Modena" for gurit as the last job I did before I left.... tested and qualified the adhesive and robot applied bonding equipment.... the adhesive that you can see inside the primary latches is a bright blue colour... sika 7666 L10..... happy days.. really a shame Gurit gave it all up..cheers
Thanks for this Peter, very interesting 👍
@@PetrolPed materials used ( carbon fibre, glass fibre and epoxy resins)and the surfacing layer was similar or identical to what was used for most of the Aston Martin Vanquish and the Porsche 918 to name a couple...the alfa hood was the first step to pushing composite materials towards volume manufacturing rather than expensive niche vehicles.. while the outer was hand laid in multiple tools structural inner was press moulded, good days.... Will write a book one day😂
Lovely car glad Alfa are making good cars again
Me too. I think the have made some cars that looked fab but were not great to drive (Spider, 155, 159 and Brera) but this one drives fab too !
Alfa Romeo have always been great!!!
I had many cars. My alfa 159 prob not has sharp has others but defnetly the most special car. I think thats what alfa is about, fellings and maybe thats why not every one match alfa.
I’m praying that they release a coupe version
Very very close to ordering the Stelvio Q. I'm going to see if you review that one too.
I have indeed. Mega cars 👍
Another good video - BUT PLEASE SORT OUT THE MUSIC VOLUME !!!!! (sorry to shout but it deafened me)
Always a tricky balance !
You like the steering? Welcome to Alfa, it's nothing new.
I obviously need to drive more Alfas !
My 145 cloverleaf had the quick rack way back in 1998 😁, and so did the 159 I bought many years after it. It takes a little while to get used to but when you do......it's awesome!
My 156 V6 has a 2.2 turn lock-to-lock rack from factory, same as Giulia QV. Giulia has 2.2 turns, not 2.5..
indeed. point it where you want it to go and it does it.
Just wow
good review. but some rolling shots and less B roll with overly loud strange music would have made it so much better.
So now you know what owning is about and how it makes you feel.Go get one and dont be nob..It doesn't have to be this one any alfa I have had 2x 164 V6 and now a 166 TSpark Love em
I drove this car 2 years ago. Very solid and fun feeling car. My merc is equally fast but the Alfa wants to go all time where the merc doesn’t invite me to go wild. So the riding is very impressive but the interior is nowhere near to the germans.
Alfa Romeo really have it's own class which unbeatable with German rivals. I do hope Alfa Romeo considering making E-Segment liftback fastback (Revival of Alfetta GTV) to rival against A7/S7, 6 Series GT/M6 and CLS Class/ CLS AMG and Coupe/Hatchback Giulia to rival against A5/S5, 4 Series/M4 and C Coupe/ C Coupe AMG.
Alfa Romeo do have a very huge potential to outclass German Rivals. Maserati is playing league with Porsche. Alfa Romeo should be playing league with Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Jaguar.
This Giulia is a petrolhead's car. Few fancy gadgets.
Great review as always Peter. Think the Alfa better to drive than M3/4. But interior quality and tech of Alfa not as good as German rivals. Pound for pound, the current C63 S would just take it for me as an every day drive. But I'd not blame anyone for buying either!
Which year/version do you refer to? My wife’s X3 330D 2018 fails on infotainment electronics, including sound, bluetooth connection and central locking glitches. The QV is a car weighing 1450 Kg, compared to the 2000+ KG of the M3/M5. The rear seat passengers have much more leg room than the M3 and a bit more than the M5. Personally I chose this car over the 5 series M models being Diesel or Petrol. The M3 is a small car. With the Giulia you replace the M5, not the M3 from my point of view. Last, but not least, my 2007 3 series coupe failed on the ABS pump module with 130.000 km in 9 years. I will let you know what happens to the QV, when it approaches the 130 thousand km mileage mark ...
Alfa Giulia there's no substitute!!!
They are very good cars that's for sure 👍
I owe one and LOVE IT. Congrats Alfa you got them Germans beaten.
Lucky you...and I agree !
Nice❤👍😎!
Just get the braking by wire sorted and definitely this car beats the competition in every category that matters (that does not include reliability).
Thanks for this. I've seen one of these at a dealership, looks awesome in the flesh. A couple of question if i may..How did you find the quality of the interior touch points, gear selector, scroll wheel and so on. Also how was the brake feel, I've heard they can be grabby/numb feeling.
I think, having owned a few Germans of the same level the interior trim is probably 90% there. But, with the Alfa that's not what you're paying for. With the active splitter, carbon roof, bonnet and propshaft, the Ferrari engine and proper aero you'd be looking at another £10k on top if you wanted C63 level interiors. Plus another 50kg in a car that's already 100kg heavier than the book says. The brakes do take a little getting used to but after a few weeks they become second nature. They are different in reality.
Thanks for the great answer Eddie :-)
Do you feel you could daily drive this an Alfa QV on a commute or would it be too much?
I cant understand why a lot peoples compare a formula1 world champion's brand,and the company that taught the world how to build racing cars, to a german brand like bmw ?
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YES BETTER🤩
I'm Italian so I dont understand all the video. The Giulia qv is better than Germany sedan?
Sì, è quello che abbiamo detto. Il proprietario dispone di una scatola di timing e le figure di prestazione da essa dicono che l'Alfa è più veloce di un M3 e di un E63.
Si
Si!
YES YES YES YES YES, to answer your question!
👍😂😂
Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio !!!!!
Yes
Now there are two new Alfa's Pete....the GTA and GTAm!
I love this car. I wish they did a cheaper and less powerful version for normal folk.
They do...
th-cam.com/video/-2WqkGtbDLU/w-d-xo.html
Oo wow thanks. I check out the video now while I have my cup of tea.
Getting mine next friday can't wait :p ,AND iém a normal guy :)
what tyres did he use to get grip?
Should I upgrade my 124 spider?
Tempting 😜
We don't need more tests Giulia owned M3/4 hands down.
Yep, looks the part and so much different from the day to day BMW/Merc motors you see. How loud are the indicators though? Christ on a bike!
Probably just made worse by the positioning of the camera.
The King is dead, Gentlemen we have the new KING ( Alfa Giulia QV)
Eddie from Glasgow?
Alfa Romeo ❤
🍀🇮🇹🙌
It’s also a M4 killer too
Yep 👍
Petrol Ped it lighter than both of them even though m4 got more power but Alfa got more boot room than M4 and M3 also more boot room than M8
I would just like to point out that the speed limit on new forest roads is 40mph
TheMarkwrx It is indeed and on those roads we adhered to the limit. The owner and I are both very familiar with the New Forest and shot the film there because it's very beautiful. We didn't actually drive that fast !
When you almost hit the mountain biker, did it brake itself? Or did you brake like a proper driver supposed to? I personally hate driving aids that make horrible drivers that should practice look like a good driver
I did the braking...it just made a noise !
It depends on the driver’s actions.
If the breaking is not strong enough the system will add more power to the pump. It is a great system, although I cannot compare it with the latest BMWs. All modern cars do feature driving aids. In Race mode the QV is a driving beast, without ESP, or front collision safety. I think ABS is active though.
Hi I know Chris
Simple answer is yes by a long shot
Great video . How is reliability?????????
Much better than people think :-)
So far really good. 14k miles, 4 track days and a lot of fun....... not one issue
Edward Cain thanks beautiful car:-):-)
Why not RACE mode on?
Mainly because of the type of roads we were on. I did try Race mode but just didn't use the footage in the film.
Best d-seg sedan on the market. Even the brand new BMW G20 is inferior. BMW goes more for the comfort rather than sporty feeling nowadays.
Peter...What is the green clover badge about?
Imnotahsvbadass Kemp goes back to the very beginning of alfa romeo where one of their racing drivers used to put a green cloverleaf on a white square on his race cars to bring him good luck. the square represented the four racing drivers that were driving for alfa romeo at this time. he died later in a practice session where he had not put the clover leaf on. alfa then adopted the cloverleaf badge for their sporty models and made it a triangle in honor of the driver that has died (ugo sivocci).
Great answer...you beat me to it !
Didn't Enzo put the prancing horse badge on the Alfas he raced?
2.2 from lock to lock !
This Alfa Romeo Giulia with 2 L turbo 200 hp, or Mazda 6, or Ford Mondeo, or Kia Optima ??
With those options as alternatives it would be the Alfa every day ;-)
Petrol Ped, thank you for your response. Interesting, but for example here, a regular full package Mazda 6 is just 3K € less expensive than basic but decent Alfa Giulia!... another thing to consider, I live in a country where during the winter, about 3 months per year, we have to drive on snow and ice constantly. Thank you.
Wonder if he's still got this car?
Nope, he's sold it earlier this year and no drives a Lotus Exige 😜
@@PetrolPed Thanks Pete, my dad's looking for one at the moment...😉
Is that color Rosso Competizione or Alfa Red? Anybody know?
Not sure. I'll try and find out from the owner :-)
Comp red.
Forza Alfa
Hi
Pete! It's me again in Thailand, I finish here in 2 weeks. Then back to the UK. I've only gone and ordered one of these babies ;-) Montecarlo Blue for a change. Do you fancy doing a video of me collecting it Mid January??? I can provide more details if I can email you.
Oh wow...that would be cool :-)
ped.greaves@gmail.com
I am buying one if it kills me .....
If I sold my car. I have not driven it, But would like this to replace it.
Knowing you mate you'd love it !
Better for looking, not for buying. It's Alfa🙃
I’ve hit a giant deer before and can’t imagine hitting a pony. 😯
I've never tried one of these or any alfa but I'm still disappointed that your didn't get this as a car 🙄
Slightly more than my budget 😥
@@PetrolPed gutted
Never driven an Alfa before.. (!?)... shame on you!! Not even an old rear wheel drive..? Can I get blag a job like yours? Those beautiful sculptured wheels.. gasp! Art! And that's what's it's all about people. But like any good art it has to pass certain tests which the Giulia does.
Slowly getting through cars I’ve not driven 👍
Would never choose an Alfa over a bmw or merc! ESP at a similar price lol
Have you driven one ?!
@@PetrolPed *lol doubtful, because the real "beauty" (cough) of BMWs/Audis/MERCs is that YAY WHOOPIE one gets to see themselves coming down the road from the other direction about every 26.7 seconds or so . . . and goshers what's better than knowing one has bought the exact same car as 95% + of all other car buyers in the segment. It's no fun having an outperforming car (vs the cookie cutter clone home BMW/merc drivers) that is also, you know, unique and in which you don't see yourself coming the other way every few moments*
RECARO BABY SEAT! 👶
steering: make or break
The only thing that Alfa Romeo is capable of slaying is itself. They can re-brand, re-configure and attempt to reinvent, but it will not work. This car is already showing legendary Alfa fallibility. I write this to you from italy where local opinion of this high priced car is dubious at best. You see, Alfa is the car that is seen by Italians as the car brand that should just die. I have been to three dealers here and it took me a month to find one to test drive (in italy no les!!!) The heavy front end is responsive, true and they did throw a ton of money at the interior. But the stiffness will come at a cost as the toll is paid by the moving parts, and anyone who has ever had problems with an Alfa can almost feel what is coming. An avalanche of problems and a dealership that laughs last.
jamesrosch , firstly, i have many italian friends, and according to them Alfa is worshipped in Italy, secondly, the crap you are uttering tells me you either know nothing about cars, or just plainly want to bad mouth a fabulous car brand. Giulia has 50/50 weight distribution, and probably the best handling i have experienced in a saloon car, regarding your claims on reliability, the demo we work with has been driven very hard day in and day out for the last 7 months, including track demos, without a single hickup. People like you are very valuable to Alfisti. You talk senseless crap about these fabulous cars everywhere you go, even though in most cases you know nothing about Alfa, and by doing this you help us Alfisti buy cars like Giulia for the price of a Kia when they reach 5 years of age. One of the worlds best kept secrets..
namibgtv6 sure buddy. FOS. I LIVE in Italy. Northern Italy where there are more sports cars than anywhere in the world. I have seen Two Giulia here. HaHa. You spelled
al-fisting wrong by the way. Because as a previous Alfa owner I know that is what happens to anybody stupid enough to buy this brand.
jamesrosch your Alfa must have really hated you. During nearly 8 years of Alfa ownership, having owned 7 Alfas, old and new, and currently still owning an 84 GTV6, and 2x156 v6’s, i can honesly tell anyone puking shit about reliability, that none of my cars have let me down once. I just dont treat them like Toyotas or Kias, but rather like a beautiful lady. Regular services, TLC, and nobody drives them apart from me. Will never be able to appreciate anything that is not an Alfa.
namibgtv6 you owned 7 Alfas in 8 years? Hilarious. Like I said FOS.
jamesrosch only one person posting here who is FoS and that is you. Let me guess, you are a fan of BMW/MB/Audi (delete as appropriate) and feel you need to defend your favourite brand out of some moronic sense of duty. Making up rubbish about Alfa (who by the way offer a 5 year warranty - unreliable?), just makes you look like one of those things between a lady’s legs.
I hope it doz not break down like 159
Sadri Badaboom the 159 was a shitty gm production. say thanks to gm for the crappy engines and electronics they put into the 159 and not alfa romeo!
South4153 Not all the engines in the 159 was from gm, mainly fiat powertrain developed engines the gear boxes on the other had are mainly gm, a specially the M32 chocolate box
is it difficult to conduct an honest review of a car when the owners sitting next to you ?
Only if you let it be. Often the things I might pick up as negatives are things they agree with anyway !
I suppose Ed sold his M5 to get this...
M5 was a few years back. Had 2 x C63 and an A45 before this
cheers for the answer - suppose the number plate is now more about the second part...
Global Nomad Yeah, pretty much. Just follows me around 😎
It's fast its red and it's got a girls name. What's not to like!
Exactly !