Precisely why Mercedes cancelled it. The lady explained it partially at the end of the video. Chrysler built it in less time, for less money, and would've absolutely humiliated the SLR Mclaren in 0-60, top speed, handling, braking, etc and it would've even cost less. The "too expensive" excuse was just an excuse because clearly Mercedes is not gonna admit why they really cancelled it. And this is just one of many, many examples, of how european automakers are absolutely terrified of having to compete with American brands on a level playing field. The other perfect example is the Charger and 300, which would almost drive the V8 C and E class of Mercedes out of business, if they were officially imported to europe and sold for a fair price, without the extra taxes and fees that europe uses to artificially keep US brands from selling in europe. But thats another story, and I don't intend on posting a wall of text comment right now.
I remember that, Cien was the prize for the Detroit Autocross tournament, and the Four-Twelve was the prize of the Exotic club, tied with the Pagani Zonda (REMIX) for the fastest overall vehicle in the game, which all three, along with a Gemballa-tuned Ferrari can be unlocked before the Class A vehicles themselves. While the Sixteen was the prize for clearing all US Career tasks.
@@benn454 all of them runs and drives tho, unless youre talking about the current state of them right now, theres literally videos of the GT90 and ME-412 driven on the streets, theres one where the ME-412 was gunning it down Laguna Seca for testing, and the 1995 Road Test for the GT90 at Top Gear, all of em fully functional!
The day that a car manufacturer realizes that they just need to build the concept car will be a game changer. Nobody is really excited that a few curves from these cars were slapped onto the design of the box on wheels production cars that we've been driving an iteration of for half a century.
There's been some instances already of concept cars that make it to production almost unchanged in terms of exterior except for interior changes for easy production. BMW i8 for example, Honda S2000 (kinda, it's 90% similar to SSM concept), Suzuki Swift ZC31 (minus the funky roof), Nissan GT-R R35 (same case as S2000 - small changes to make it a bit more production feasible), Audi R8 1st gen, Audi TT, etc.
Funnily enough, I remember the GT90 from Sega GT 2002, the Me Four-Twelve from Forza Motorsport 1, and the Cien from Gran Turismo and Hot Wheels. It's amazing how influential games can be.
All three were and still are pretty cool. To be honest, I was really hoping Cadillac and Chrysler would build these cars...but seeing all three 30 to 20 plus years later. They still look good!
I gotta come visit the GT90, it was in Ohio for a bit. now its in LA, that's great. The Cien, the ME and the GT90 looks so dang good. I can't wait to see it in person.
Honestly I've heard many times over the years that the Cadillac Art and Science design philosophy is "outdated", and I'm sitting here thinking am I seeing something different to others? - because to me it always looked visionary and still does to this day
@@JGTH-cam0 100% agree. Cadillac is just way too far ahead of their time (not in a bad way) and most people can't handle the styling. the Cien looks so good even today, it has a classy yet sporty look. I agree man they always have made cars that where so well styled for their time. its kind of like how people call BMW's ugly when they first release but after a couple years they get called pretty. I agree so much that car could be made on a c8 Chassis and it would sell. Its so good looking. it looks like it was made yesterday.
The Cadillac Cien is just perfect in opinion, i would take that over a Bugatti. Just pure class. I could see it as a 918 type performance car but with a Bugatti's luxurious GT feel and with a perfect twist of matching looks. Ever since Test Drive Unlimited, this car is the one concept car I would wish to actually be made if only one could be made.
I never imaged in this live time to see the three of the american holy trinity side by side. Looks so beautyful. Now image any of this had made it past concept... what a world we could have had.
At the very least for the GT90 it's a running prototype, while the ME412 is I'm pretty sure was actually production ready essentially. Not sure about the Cien, but yeah, a very "what could've been" with atleast the ME412.
The Chrysler super car is literally my favorite thing in all existence. My favorite production racecar is the Gumpert Apollo and I drive a Lincoln Mark. That Chrysler is exactly what i would want had i been born wealthy
Visionary designs, with their own identities and visions of the future. Outside the box, daring, balls (not sterile like so many current concepts), designed to be cars and not mobile living rooms or architectural exhibits, and each like nothing else seen in the industry
Bea is such a good presenter tbh, not over the top like most " car presenters " like supercar blondie And this topic is by far my fav, as i grew up loving this cars and still do, one day ill make the ME4TWELEVE real
Those hypercars should be produce right now, is not too late. Cadillac would likes to make a hypercar, so they could use the GTP's technology to create a V16 (using 2 V8) hypercar 😳. Chrysler can easily bring the ME 4-12 with modern dashboard and modern lights using 2 V6 for make a V12 with a bio hybrid system (for be subsidiary of Stellantis), and the Ford GT90 should be release with modern dashboard and a efficient V8 🏎️💪🏻
chrysler is broke af and stellantis' whipping boy, they aren't doing anything good anytime soon, i doubt ford is interesting in anything with more than 8 cylinders or the gt platform anymore, for better or for worse, and cadillac seems to be trying to move away from ICE regardless as to whether or not thats actually a good choice, but ironically i think they are the most likely to make something of a spiritual successor to the cien
They probably would only be able to max it out at maybe turbo V8s like Ferrari due to the emissions regulation nowadays choking cars out more still and encouraging downsizing even for fast cars.
Not producing the Cadilac Cien is one of GM's greatest mistakes. You mentioned two V8 engines where played with to get the GT90's V12. But it takes two V6 to make a V12.
What an awesome video! What a cars! I know about Cadillac and Chrysler from the best game in the world - TDU1. But I didn’t know about GT90 at all. It’s so cool to see things like that. Thanks a lot!
Those cars still look great! All of em look like good enough to come out now or even a couple years from now! They are gorgeous!!! If I never seen that Caddy and next year it was released as 2026 model I'd be like that's amazing! The Big 3s problem is not what they design or make ...their problem is and has been for 30+ years, is that they need to believe in their own creation and product; they need to back it and push it like it's the best thing out there! The Big 3s marketing and advertising and business model is their only problem!! A great design never ages...they need to think like that again! I was floored by the interior of the Ford Gt90 . Just add led to them gauges and info screen and it'd look like an interior from a modern exotic... actually it looks almost futuristic.
Theres a 4th tecnically, but it was an even wilder prototype, the Covertte ZR12 with a ridiculous 10L V12 straight out of a high speed boat from the time.
@@widjojohuang7854 yes, however that one was more like just a C4 vette at the time with an extended front and said V12 straight out of a racing boat, it was deemed not only too expensive of a project but also too dangerous as one would expect, surprisingly the engine wasnt as stupidly heavy as one would think since it was made of mostly aluminum. I wonder if they could had reduced the displacement to only a little over 8L since the idea was to try to compete with the vipers absurdity at the time and tweaked to be a little better as a car engine.
(You might want to push the GT90 back a few inches so it covers up that power outlet) Also please try to straighten out the badge on the ME Four-Twelve's steering wheel.
I'm curious what the reason was with Ford not going with it. The XJ220 may have been a revolution in design but under the skin it's pretty traditional. Production costs were probably pretty low. Interesting.
@@nighttrain1565 xj220 wasn’t exactly a success. The design of the gt90 as said was not a home run. The cost was prohibitive and it would have hampered the other two brands in the ford galaxy: Aston Martin and jaguar.
But wasnt it going to be a higher end class of its own? Tbf the engine cooling at the time wasnt done properly (weird considering Buggattis EB110 used similar config) so the engine couldnt really operate so optimally in it.@@Zero2Niero
To think. In a different universe, all three of these cars would've made it into production, become the automotive holy trinity and America would be considered the the hypercar kings of the world.
The Chrysler Me 412 was a pre-production prototype. It was going to be built until the mercedes benz amg guys cried nonstop because their version sucked.
It would have been hard to get the GT90 produced. The other two should have been produced. Chrysler would have benefited from the ME412 being their halo car. The Cien would have made Cadillac more world class. But that would have clashed with the Corvette people who seem to have complete control over GM.
This is like the holy trinity of 2000s American halo cars. 🇺🇸🦅
Oh
Yeah
The ME Four-Twelve has barely aged at all design wise.
That ME-412 would've been sensational 😢
Precisely why Mercedes cancelled it. The lady explained it partially at the end of the video. Chrysler built it in less time, for less money, and would've absolutely humiliated the SLR Mclaren in 0-60, top speed, handling, braking, etc and it would've even cost less. The "too expensive" excuse was just an excuse because clearly Mercedes is not gonna admit why they really cancelled it. And this is just one of many, many examples, of how european automakers are absolutely terrified of having to compete with American brands on a level playing field. The other perfect example is the Charger and 300, which would almost drive the V8 C and E class of Mercedes out of business, if they were officially imported to europe and sold for a fair price, without the extra taxes and fees that europe uses to artificially keep US brands from selling in europe. But thats another story, and I don't intend on posting a wall of text comment right now.
Who remembers the days of Midnight Club 3 with the Cien ME412 & Sixteen.
I remember that, Cien was the prize for the Detroit Autocross tournament, and the Four-Twelve was the prize of the Exotic club, tied with the Pagani Zonda (REMIX) for the fastest overall vehicle in the game, which all three, along with a Gemballa-tuned Ferrari can be unlocked before the Class A vehicles themselves.
While the Sixteen was the prize for clearing all US Career tasks.
Wow those three concepts together is really something special!
exactly its so cool they are together. as a car guy that's just amazing to me.
the fact they used the Cien for movies shows people love the look. I remember when I saw It in transformers I was so happy. it looked so good.
And it actually runs and drives, unlike the GT90 and ME-412
@@benn454 all of them runs and drives tho, unless youre talking about the current state of them right now, theres literally videos of the GT90 and ME-412 driven on the streets, theres one where the ME-412 was gunning it down Laguna Seca for testing, and the 1995 Road Test for the GT90 at Top Gear, all of em fully functional!
While all 3 cars are masterpieces. That ME 4-12 is perfection.
The day that a car manufacturer realizes that they just need to build the concept car will be a game changer. Nobody is really excited that a few curves from these cars were slapped onto the design of the box on wheels production cars that we've been driving an iteration of for half a century.
Problem is regulation. We are lucky Lamborghini is even legal here.
Such an original comment you have
There's been some instances already of concept cars that make it to production almost unchanged in terms of exterior except for interior changes for easy production. BMW i8 for example, Honda S2000 (kinda, it's 90% similar to SSM concept), Suzuki Swift ZC31 (minus the funky roof), Nissan GT-R R35 (same case as S2000 - small changes to make it a bit more production feasible), Audi R8 1st gen, Audi TT, etc.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena And money.
@@PlatinumNathdon’t forget the Renault Avantime, they didn’t changed anything from its concept phase
The concept cars in the late 90s and early 2000s were fantastic. Good Times for automotive design.
The ME-412 was definitely ahead of it's time compared to the other manufacturers.
finaly the Ford GT90 is where more pepole can see it thanks
It's been in a museum in Texas for years.
Pepole or peephole?
@@Davivd2 i saw it in oklahoma
That Chrysler looks so good
I remember the Cien from Gran Turismo. Love the look of that car
All three of these would look right at home on the roads today and they’re all over 20 years old, that’s pretty impressive.
Funnily enough, I remember the GT90 from Sega GT 2002, the Me Four-Twelve from Forza Motorsport 1, and the Cien from Gran Turismo and Hot Wheels. It's amazing how influential games can be.
I love how the GT90 tires have GT90 as part of the tread
three legends. so cool to see them together!
The ME-412 has aged like fine wine
One of the most insane things about the GT90 is the one-off tyres that have "GT90" in the treads.
That painting of the GT90 was really good. I would love to have something like that at my house.
Not a painting. Looks like a blown up image of the original sketches of the car. Likely would have been markers and maybe chalk/pastel.
All three were and still are pretty cool. To be honest, I was really hoping Cadillac and Chrysler would build these cars...but seeing all three 30 to 20 plus years later. They still look good!
The ME Four Twelve is my ultimate what would have been..... still stunning today!
Didn’t realize the gt90 was at the Petersen now. That’s cool. Had a pic of it on my wall as a kid
Oh the GT90. You remind me of Need for Speed 2 on the PlayStation 1.
Exactly!! And the XJ220!! Who would've know playing that they were cut from same cloth. Pretty cool!
The Cien and ME412 reminded me of midnight club 3
you reminded me the GT90 from both NFS2 and PGR3
same for ME412 and Cien for Midnight Club 3
I gotta come visit the GT90, it was in Ohio for a bit. now its in LA, that's great. The Cien, the ME and the GT90 looks so dang good. I can't wait to see it in person.
Damn mercedes that chrysler looks so good man
That Cien could still be produced
Honestly I've heard many times over the years that the Cadillac Art and Science design philosophy is "outdated", and I'm sitting here thinking am I seeing something different to others? - because to me it always looked visionary and still does to this day
@@JGTH-cam0 100% agree. Cadillac is just way too far ahead of their time (not in a bad way) and most people can't handle the styling. the Cien looks so good even today, it has a classy yet sporty look. I agree man they always have made cars that where so well styled for their time. its kind of like how people call BMW's ugly when they first release but after a couple years they get called pretty. I agree so much that car could be made on a c8 Chassis and it would sell. Its so good looking. it looks like it was made yesterday.
@@yung829 Exactly and also true with BMWs.
The Corvette people won't allow it. They won't allow any other GM vehicle to usurp the Corvette in any way.
@@johnnymason2460 there's no fury greater than a Corvette engineer learning that the Corvette is losing in it's own house
The GT90 and Indigo were some of the biggest blue balls Ford ever gave us, next to the Super Stallion
There was a cool Ford 500 concept iirc and that concept made of bamboo that was like a modern Briggs Flyer. The gt90 and indigo were stellar.
The Indigo's engine went on to power Aston Martin for a while so it's not all for naught.
I thought the Mach 3 concept was cool too tbh
The Cadillac Cien is just perfect in opinion, i would take that over a Bugatti. Just pure class. I could see it as a 918 type performance car but with a Bugatti's luxurious GT feel and with a perfect twist of matching looks. Ever since Test Drive Unlimited, this car is the one concept car I would wish to actually be made if only one could be made.
The Cien was gorgeous. The 2003 Cadillac Sixteen and '03 Chevy SS Concept are two others cars that should've been built.
My 3 favorite supercars in one museum fantastic
Perfect 3 combination.
Still today those three cars are Flawless victory.
GT90 is still on my dream car list
As a kid concept cars always fascinated me, these forsure my 3 favorite of the "supercars"
I want to see these!
I never imaged in this live time to see the three of the american holy trinity side by side. Looks so beautyful. Now image any of this had made it past concept... what a world we could have had.
Concept cars are such cool little pieces of automotive history of "what could've been", i love them
At the very least for the GT90 it's a running prototype, while the ME412 is I'm pretty sure was actually production ready essentially. Not sure about the Cien, but yeah, a very "what could've been" with atleast the ME412.
Holy Trinity of PS2 era concept cars
Quite the collection, I'd be scared of letting people in at this point.
Midnight Club 3 DUB edition 😎
The Chrysler super car is literally my favorite thing in all existence. My favorite production racecar is the Gumpert Apollo and I drive a Lincoln Mark. That Chrysler is exactly what i would want had i been born wealthy
I don't know why you did this, but I'm very thankful
Visionary designs, with their own identities and visions of the future. Outside the box, daring, balls (not sterile like so many current concepts), designed to be cars and not mobile living rooms or architectural exhibits, and each like nothing else seen in the industry
The Cien is begging for a Blackwing revival
Concept cars that dared to dream!
ME-412 was the only one that had a few concepts that the public got to actually ride in on the SRT ride along on track.
.....this is the future we wanted!
Test Drive Unlimited (2006) gave us most of that room counting on at least SOME of them making it to the streets.
I’m so happy these are finally in town for me to see
That three cars reminds me that I played the PS2 games picking that three iconic concept supercars.
La santa trinidad de los coches!!
El cien mi favorito!!
😏👌
Who else noticed cracks in the Cadillac Ciens dash clock, sad.
I have waited for a ME-412 review for soooooooooooooooooooo long
We are coming to LA in a week and I plan to visit the museum again. I hope all of these cars in this video are still there when I am there.
They will be!
Bea is such a good presenter tbh, not over the top like most " car presenters " like supercar blondie
And this topic is by far my fav, as i grew up loving this cars and still do, one day ill make the ME4TWELEVE real
Agreed
That Chrysler was and is still a beautiful design 😍✨
Ford Indigo was another one of my favorite concepts
Those hypercars should be produce right now, is not too late.
Cadillac would likes to make a hypercar, so they could use the GTP's technology to create a V16 (using 2 V8) hypercar 😳. Chrysler can easily bring the ME 4-12 with modern dashboard and modern lights using 2 V6 for make a V12 with a bio hybrid system (for be subsidiary of Stellantis), and the Ford GT90 should be release with modern dashboard and a efficient V8 🏎️💪🏻
chrysler is broke af and stellantis' whipping boy, they aren't doing anything good anytime soon, i doubt ford is interesting in anything with more than 8 cylinders or the gt platform anymore, for better or for worse, and cadillac seems to be trying to move away from ICE regardless as to whether or not thats actually a good choice, but ironically i think they are the most likely to make something of a spiritual successor to the cien
They probably would only be able to max it out at maybe turbo V8s like Ferrari due to the emissions regulation nowadays choking cars out more still and encouraging downsizing even for fast cars.
They could also use two Hurricane inline 6, creating V12 with quad turbo.
@@toddthezondalover645 slow down there partner, you're gonna kill the polar bears with that one
Thank you very much for this great video
Not producing the Cadilac Cien is one of GM's greatest mistakes.
You mentioned two V8 engines where played with to get the GT90's V12. But it takes two V6 to make a V12.
That’s right. They saw off a row from each block
@@Zero2NieroExactly
What an awesome video! What a cars! I know about Cadillac and Chrysler from the best game in the world - TDU1. But I didn’t know about GT90 at all. It’s so cool to see things like that. Thanks a lot!
Those cars still look great! All of em look like good enough to come out now or even a couple years from now! They are gorgeous!!! If I never seen that Caddy and next year it was released as 2026 model I'd be like that's amazing! The Big 3s problem is not what they design or make ...their problem is and has been for 30+ years, is that they need to believe in their own creation and product; they need to back it and push it like it's the best thing out there! The Big 3s marketing and advertising and business model is their only problem!! A great design never ages...they need to think like that again! I was floored by the interior of the Ford Gt90 . Just add led to them gauges and info screen and it'd look like an interior from a modern exotic... actually it looks almost futuristic.
I always called this trio of concepts "Destiny's Concept."
As a child I wanted a Ford GT-90 🥺
The cien had a 7.5 liter engine? jeez that's crazy.
And it works!
@PetersenMuseum wow that's so cool! Chevy was doing such insane things in this era👍 wonder how it sounds!
Nice video bea! Hope to see you more in future videos :)
I also really liked the Cadillac Sixteen. Would be really neat for Cadillac to team up with Bugatti and make one with Bugatti's new V-16 in it.
Sadly miss the 2003 cadillac sixteen hope see the car in the next video on the museum
That car is not at the museum, I was there and didn't see it.
Correct. Not with us.
I thought I remember seeing something about Christina milian buying the first and only public Chrysler ME 412 but maybe I'm Mandelling
I think these are the holy trinity of american V12 supercar (Which never happen 🥲)
Theres a 4th tecnically, but it was an even wilder prototype, the Covertte ZR12 with a ridiculous 10L V12 straight out of a high speed boat from the time.
@@unkindled6410 Ahh. I guess i didn't know that v12 corvette, right?
@@widjojohuang7854 yes, however that one was more like just a C4 vette at the time with an extended front and said V12 straight out of a racing boat, it was deemed not only too expensive of a project but also too dangerous as one would expect, surprisingly the engine wasnt as stupidly heavy as one would think since it was made of mostly aluminum. I wonder if they could had reduced the displacement to only a little over 8L since the idea was to try to compete with the vipers absurdity at the time and tweaked to be a little better as a car engine.
Not V12, but the rotary Corvette concept was cool, and the Indy Corvette which basically everyone forgot about
@@toddthezondalover645 Well, yes. But i didn't know about that corvette
Jackwire hell yeah
The Cien was supposed to be Bill's car in Kill Bill Vol 2 but he ended up with a DeTomaso Mangusta
the number 90 meant the company's anniversary and in honor of this they released the Ford GT90 as far as I know
the Caddy
It's the GT90 for me. I've always been a Ford guy and it's a sight to see. But I'm interested to know the story of that Shelby GR-1 on the corner.
Same car underneath as the proposed Cobra concept of the time. V10, 6 speed manual, 500-600hp. You can drive both in Test Drive Unlimited.
ugh i wish they show the Cadillac Sixteen
We wished that too, alas...
We could have had world peace, if mercedes would have chosen the me412 over the slr mclaren…
Ill never forgive them for that.
true hypercars
(You might want to push the GT90 back a few inches so it covers up that power outlet)
Also please try to straighten out the badge on the ME Four-Twelve's steering wheel.
Yes to the former, no to the latter.
I'm curious what the reason was with Ford not going with it. The XJ220 may have been a revolution in design but under the skin it's pretty traditional. Production costs were probably pretty low. Interesting.
@@nighttrain1565 xj220 wasn’t exactly a success. The design of the gt90 as said was not a home run. The cost was prohibitive and it would have hampered the other two brands in the ford galaxy: Aston Martin and jaguar.
But wasnt it going to be a higher end class of its own? Tbf the engine cooling at the time wasnt done properly (weird considering Buggattis EB110 used similar config) so the engine couldnt really operate so optimally in it.@@Zero2Niero
A northstar V12 sounds like the pinnacle of reliability 😂
😍🇨🇵👍
You've got the Shelby GR 1 Concept RIGHT THERE and you're talking about these cars ???
Maybe we will soon talk about the Shelby. Maybe... juuuust maybe.
To think. In a different universe, all three of these cars would've made it into production, become the automotive holy trinity and America would be considered the the hypercar kings of the world.
The Cadillac cien is a possibility today with the corvette c8 platform
The ME 4-12 looks so much better than the SLR 😫
amazing and benchmarking. the cien is still the best. the gt90 still looks outatime
The three Cars are the Best ones on concept because the three Cars never Made into produccion because they are very expense to bulit a limited numbers
The Chrysler is probably my favorite of the three, but that steering wheel is slightly bugging me.
This was a sad story 😢
The Chrysler Me 412 was a pre-production prototype. It was going to be built until the mercedes benz amg guys cried nonstop because their version sucked.
Which is exactly what has been said in the video no?
discounting the me412, what mercedes did to chrysler is criminal
It would have been hard to get the GT90 produced. The other two should have been produced. Chrysler would have benefited from the ME412 being their halo car. The Cien would have made Cadillac more world class. But that would have clashed with the Corvette people who seem to have complete control over GM.
it's a shame chrysler went to shit before they could ever make anything as cool as this as a production car
i know these cars from Midnight Club 3 and Gran Turismo 4 ;D
Miss, the way to pronounce Jaguar is as three separate groups of letters.
As in Jag -u-ar
We have a video on the XJ220, let's see how we will do on that one!
Jag-you-are😅
rebranding!
I see a Shelby GR-1 👀
a? you mean "the"
@PetersenMuseum You're right. Is a video on it coming?
Wasn’t the Chrysler supposed to be built but Mercedes got jealous because Chrysler outdid the SLR at the time.
you mean, just like we said in the video? Yes...
Ford GT90?!?
"Jag-wire" arrghggg!!!!
Ya see the gaps on the GT 90 ya can see inside the car from the gaps in the glass.and the rust.shame.historic motor
Hi Dee 🖖
cringe