308 vs 30-06 - GIANT CLAY BLOCKS!!!
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Taofledermaus shooting slugs at a thirty pound lead plate was and is one of my favorite TH-cam moments, but I think the clay blocks are starting to win. I can't get enough of the clay flying. That slow mo😄
Took the words out of my mouth dude. I can watch that clay fly apart all day.😁😁😁😁
Townsend Whelen said... The 30 06 is never a Mistake
Then he designed the 35 Whelen off the 30-06 case.
@@unbalancedredneck5778 which isn't à mistake
I'm almost 32 and the second time I took hunter safety at 17 they specified that the bullet is the actual projectile while the entire device was a cartridge. Since then, I've done my best to call each component by its proper term.
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The 308 slow motion was wicked👍👍
Well now that was a interesting video and I like both of those calibers and I own both but my observation is that the 308 had more mojo on the clay.
.308 performed better at that range due to it being slower. The 30-06 was moving faster, therefore penetrated faster, resulting in less energy dumped into the target... both will drop a deer dead, that’s all that matters
@@niagra898 the whole point of my argument is that arguing over which is better is honestly ridiculous....
@@niagra898 I greatly enjoy these vids as well, but performance is similar. 30-06 offers a little more power, a deer won’t tell the difference though...
@@sleeper.simulant7327 .308 is better looking at it from a reloader’s point of view. More efficient to own .308
@Driveitsideways 1 the 308 is only about 100 fps slower than an 06 with 150gn bullets. 308 is a much more efficient cartridge, and the 06 only pulls away for rounds over 190gn, which most aren't shooting. Both are great rounds, and have nearly identical performance... 308 just does it with about 40% less recoil
Enjoy watching the slow mo part of the video I'm going with 308 💥👍
The .308 was made from 30.06 but today it looked like the .308 blew apart the clay. Loved it, good video
As was said, the 30.06 seemed to push through therefore "less" appearance of damage while the .308 exploded the clay.
Either one is a win win.......
You're shoot'n the same bullet, out of the same line of ammunition, from the same manufacturer!!!!!!!!!! Whooo Hooooo, I'm gonna go make me some popcorn!
Thank you WHO_TEE, this is exactly what I've been waiting for! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, this is going to be good!
Absolutely love my Ruger American .308. I shot a nice 10 point with the first round I had made in .308. Anyway, I have both .308 and 30-06 and what I like the most is that I can use the same projectiles for both. To be honest, I waste more powder to pretty much get the same results when loading a 30-06 round. I’m sure several will argue that point, but really is there that much difference to argue a difference. If your limited on powder than I’m sure you’ll do what you can to ration what is in your available supply. Keep the great videos coming WTW. You always have the best videos and shoot things I would like to shoot without throwing money down the barrel. My woman doesn’t like the attention directed away from her when watching one after another, haha. Take care to both you and your family.
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I love the vids Who Tee!!! In my own opinion they both are deadly as all get up. Both will take big game and feed the family as long as the shooter can hit the sweet spot!!! I've been with your channel way back when you had 100 subs, I have to say every video gets better. Thank you for making great content for us. Oh Happy Holidays and have a awesome 2022 as well.
i just got a remington 783 for my 15th birthday. I’ve only shot a few rounds through it but i’m loving it!
chambered in .308
Your humor is part of the reason we love to watch you! your a funny dude Who_tee_who😎
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I feel like the .308 did more damage. I really figured the 30-06 would of blew it to pieces. good video!!
Shooting a round at clay🤔sounds like “claying a round “ to me!! 😂
Both were quite devastating!
I love the clay vids!!
Have taken a dozen or so deer with my 30.06 running the hornady whitetail 150 gr. My rifle seems to like it. Really good shooting. Love the long range clay shooting especially with the slow motion angles.
308 definitely dumped more energy into the clay on impact, 30 odd was still pushing thru as the expansion occurred. Both cartridges perform equally well @100< yards, maybe once you go past 250+ yards there will be major differences. None the less... always entertaining 😁👍
Thanks for watching!
Both are effective out to 900 yards. USMC scout snipers had rifles chambered in .308 while the US Army chose 30-06. The only reason the army chose 30-06 was because it was easier to covert the long action 30-06 to .300 magnum if they wanted to extend the range. Most important thing to consider is at longer ranges velocity and bullet weight retention is what creates unrecoverable injuries. That’s why most “small bore” sniper rifles are now.338 lapua magnum and then you have the final word .50 bmg for excessive range
Looks like different clay one is dark one is light.
I think the 30-06 made it through the clay faster and didn't have time to make a mess of that block like the 308.
faster means messing it up more though, not less. Faster means more total energy and more energy dumping.
Great video as always, thanks Who Tee Who for all you do. Hopefully this year will be better for everyone. God speed to Who Tee Who and family & friends 👍🇺🇸
Thanks for watching Joel!
From looking at the video, it’s really hard to tell. The 30-06 delivers more energy, but sometimes the extra energy pushes the bullet through before it dumps a lot of that energy. It’s still a cool video!
And that's where the .270 comes in 😎
the "pushing through" IS the energy dumping. the faster it gets pushed through the more energy it imparts. Not the other way around.
@@richarddoucet7661 if you shoot a piece of paper it's not gonna deliver much energy, but if you shoot a concrete block a lot of energy will be used from the round, basically what he means is that when a round goes through something a lot of energy is lost, that's why hollow points exist
@@connergarlock771 Yes I know all those things. I guess I misinterpreted his comments as "slower means more energy dumping in clay". My bad.
@@richarddoucet7661 gotcha. With fast rounds it does seem like you get a lot of cavitation which is obviously a benefit so faster is almost always better it seems
I guess the real question is if they both take done Deer, which is the cheapest and which is readily available.
Both...Well, both are very popular and are about the same price (Comparing the same brands, obviously)
@@bigricksmith8345 That is a given that they are the same brand
308 for me good luck finding 30-06
@@tylarhaugan7908 good luck finding 308 also, both are really scarce around here
@@charlesmccoy5857 in stores where I live 308 is plentiful. Which is odd for me
They gotta be running out of clay over at the craft store by now hahaha. Happy New Year WTW!!!
5.45 vs 5.56 vs 300 black vs 7.62x39 and awsome videos broths keep up the great work!
Nothing wrong with using the proper terminology...
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Ya know the powder in the skinny thing that go boom?
You should do a video 25.06 vs 6.5 creedmor see if the creedmor is so great.
It's kinda like when somebody misspells a word. Most people know what he means.
@@korndawggy1801 and those who don’t perpetuate the use of information that is factually inaccurate.
Careful, I’m only 61 and say cartridge, BECAUSE THATS THE PROPER TERM! 😎
I'm 27 and say "cartridge"😅
I'm in my 40's & say cartridge. I also say magazine instead of clip, unless talking about an M1 Garand or similar.
close enough to 70.
Me too and i'm 35😎👍
I’m 37 and I also say cartridge
Regardless of the caliber argument those clay blocks really are the best illustration I've seen of what a high power rifle is going to do to the internals of anything shot with it.
I do like the 30-06, but the 308 does just as good. I wouldn’t mind a 308, but my 30-06 and my 270 have things at that end of the spectrum pretty much covered. Yet another good video. Hope you had a good Christmas and have a safe and happy New Year. Cheers from Down Under.
No matter which one you get hit by, it's gonna sting
I think the 30-06 was not a good center hit like the 308 was, seemed high and right.
Looks like the .308 may have had a better day today. Glad to have both of them. Great job bringing in the same rifle, scope and ammo manufacturer for this video. Happy New Year everyone......................
308 looked like had more of an explosion, another awesome video, Have a happy new years wtw👍👍
Who-Tee, I suggest using larger clay samples for "bullets" with larger case capacities. Love the clay shots, really shows the energy.
Biggest i can find. And these are $30 each. Ha! Some of the more expensive videos to film. I'm just a regular ol broke dude
@@WHOTEEWHO Pick up the pieces and mold them back into a block or bowling balls.
Looks like 308 win this match, as my eyes seen
30 odd 6 clay was a lot more fresh a lot more moist that's why It didn't blow apart
@@anthonyk6265 wrong !!if you know anything about clay the wetter it is the darker it is composition being the same
They are so close!!! Just love your shows! You are the best commentator!! From Rick Moore! Manitoba Canada!!
I love my 308. Nothing against a 30 06 though. Both great hunting rounds. My Dad and Uncles always brought home deer with their 30 06. For some reason I just prefer the 308. Happy New Year from your friends up north!
Next time on clay blocks, put a quarter under it. The shot should Imprint the image on the clay. That way you know top or bottom
It's like some kind of abstract sculpting class.
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Now thats an idea
Watching that never gets old!!
Sure like to see those matching Ruger Americans and a chronograph used to check bullet fps. A lot of 30-06 boxes list speed for 24" barrels. A lot of videos talk about heavy bullet weight but I plan on just using 150 grain bullets all copper.
Anyone needing all that explaining is on the wrong sewing channel.
Scotthayes thank God for you and everyone like you.🙏😂
When shooting 150gr the velocities of these two cartridges is nearly the same. When shooting 180gr the 30-06 has about a 300fps advantage over the 308.
There’s probably more differences between the two blocks of clay than the two projectiles used in this video in terms of velocity etc. I’d have to give the 308 the win in this video, but we all know the 30-06 is no slouch.
Hello sir - nice production! Happy new year to you my friend, and ALL 2A brothers and sisters. Best regards, Eddie
Happy new year Eddie!
Dude.. keep up the good work... always a fan.
I'm a big thirty-ought-six fan I would have to say that 308 one that one just saying love the videos keep them coming and God bless
Clay brick for a 6.5X55 Swedish
Love these tests!!
Calling a "cartridge" a "bullet" is like calling a "magazine" a "follower". I use proper terminology as part of my education for new shooters. I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
I just don't think it really matters 🤷♂️. Clips, magazines, clipazines....potatoes, potahtoes,
@@WHOTEEWHO I understand what you're saying. I'm a firearms instructor and range officer. You just can't be too clear with newbies and the uniformed public.
Just bought me a remington 742 woodsmaster in 3006. Bushnell trophy xlt 3x9 scope.
Happy New year WHO_TEE_WHO and everyone!. 🎉🎊🍾🥂🍻
I hope and pray that 2021 is much kinder to us all and that we will all get back to "Our normal" whatever the word meant to each individual person 🤞🙏🙏.. We all deserve to breathe some fresh air once again and not just inhale our morning breath constantly!. 😉😂
Who Tee New Year to yourself and Paul!
Practixally speaking as an avid reloader for over 45 years, the 30-06 for a given bullet weight delivers about 100 - 200 fps higher muzzle velocity over the 308. The 30-06 also accommodates heavier 200-220 grain bullets better due to it's increased case capacity this is less apparent when comparing 150 - 165 grain bullets. The 308 being a short action cartridge is slightly more efficient in faster burning powders and light for caliber orijectiles.
No doubt the availability of cartridges on the shelf slightly favors the 308 but as for me as a hunter the 30-06 is more versitile, powerful round especially with bullets in excess of 165 grains for larger dangerous game.
Exactly correct.
If that was an animal you could just imagine the hydrostatic shock, good clean kill👍
Looks like different types of clay, but we all know both" cartridge's " are purdy much equal. The ol' 06 will out do the 308 by 50 to 100 fps or more in premium factory ammo and hand loads maybe more. With that being said the critter hit by either ain't gonna know the difference ....know what I mean brotha
Same clay , he painted the 30.06 clay white so he/we could tell the difference.
@@CaveBear1031 that's some good paint turned the clay white all the way though lol
@@deanmoloney5059 lol
With that logic the 300wm is only a little faster than the 30'06, so they're the same right?
Yo who tee who good video as always 100yd test 25-06 vs 7mm08 clay block or milk jugs
Slightly heavier 7mm 140gr thats a lil slower vs a lighter and faster 117gr 25 cal bullet
They both get the job done, it seems what one wants. Again great reviews
I say "cartouche", because I like French girls.
A beer never get jealous when you hold another beer. Just sayin'.
You got to love a good 30 cal. My brother shoots 308 and I shoot 30-06. We hunt elk and have never felt under gunned. That being said I think a 35 rem vs a 35 Whelen would be awsome.
The 308 devastated the clay block. The 30-06 did the same and I don't want to be on the business end of either one. Great demonstration. Thanks for sharing.
It's not the rounds, it's the clay. Most likely the moisture content.
Ohhh, thats a fair point, very good
According to tests done by the FBI, the 30-06 would go through 11 inches of concrete, and the 308 went 3/4's of an inch, so for those that want to shoot concrete, get an 06, for the rest get a 308
Yeah calling bs rn lol but the .308 does deliver its energy to the object better then the 06
@@michaeldart5522 Delivers it better? It has less power than the 06. I'm gussing the clay (was a different color) or placement was the reason it did more. There's nothing magic about a .308.
@@michaeldart5522 um, might want to get a reloading book and do some research, the 30 ought 6 has about 33% more power than the 308 and out beyond 800 yards actually outperforms the 308 by 55% so I don't know where you get your idea from, but it is misinformed
lol 11 inches of concrete. You see the test or what? Why is it that damage was more noticeable from .308? Energy getting dumped instead of just passing through? Why are 30-06 shooters always looking for their game?
"11" of concrete"? Interesting...Armor Piercing rounds in both calibers will only go through about 4", that's it(Yes, there's information and videos to back that up), and those are meant for maximum penetration.
If you were in the civil war and the guy across the battlefield had “cartridges” instead of bullets it was a big deal. Not so much since everyone stopped using Spencer carbines
Great video!
What if there was a clay block test vs. an automatic .22?? I’m not sure if that is possible but it would be interesting to watch!
I have the same Ruger 308. Its a awesome deer gun. Never have to do any tracking. Love it.
I like to see you shoot a 16 gauge shotgun. Slugs and 00 buck shots
That's because we who were born some time ago have had enough time to learn the proper names for things.
After about 35 years of reloading for 308 and 30-06 I have found that almost no powder load will give you more than about 200 FPS difference between 308 and 06 with the nod going to 06.That being said 200 FPS is nothing unless you are shooting paper at extremely long range.
About the same between 30'06 and 300 wm.
I have shot 308 SST's for the past ten years. The internal shock wave is ruthless.
the different color in the clay , are they not the same kind of clay ? that could skew the results .
That's what I thought also
I would like to have seen them fired through a chronograph. My guess is that the .308 was traveling slower and dumped more energy.
The speed IS the energy. The faster the bullet goes through the clay the more energy it imparts to the clay. Not the other way around. Specially since it's the same caliber bullet, faster means more energy transfer.
@@richarddoucet7661 just bc it’s going faster doesn’t mean all the energy transferred, if the 308 dumped more energy into the block, while the 30-06 passed through and held onto more energy afterward. Idk I think that’s what the original comment was getting at. I’m no expert
According to Hornady, the .308 is 2820 fps and the .30-06 is 2910, 90 fps (3%). The .308 clay got 130% blown up and the .30-06 clay was blown up 135%.
@@Frostbight118 That is exactly what I was saying. Thank you!
@@Frostbight118 correct....but faster IS more energy. A 308 bullet going 2900 feet per second will transfer more energy to the clay than a 308 (both cartridges shoot 308 cal bullets) going 2800 feet per second. The amount of clay in contact with the bullet as it passes through is the same in both cases. What you call energy is the speed at which the clay is pushed away by the bullet. That's kinetic energy. So if the bullet is hitting the clay harder than it gives the clay more energy. There is no going around that. Mark is incorrect to assume a bullet transfers more energy because it "spends more time" in the clay. That's simply not how it works. Sorry Mark =/
That's awesome! Yet devistating at the same time!!! Pretty cool
Thanks for watching Paul!
If they ever start selling tags for clay, I think either one will do just fine. But until then, the '06 offers more versatility for larger-than-deer game. I'm sticking with my '06. Great video!
The 30-06 only has about 100 fps and 100 lbs s of Energy over the 308 thru all bullets weights .
I test the 2 caliber on my chrono with a same ammo,the difference to30-06 is 10 to 15 fps more to a 308,the 308 is more accurate to 30-06,i test some rifle.
308 did more damage to clay than 30-06
Even though it had shorter case.
And it kicks less too
So 308 is the winner!
Good vid.. i love both calibers.. id love to also see 30-06 vs 300 win please..?
Just about everyone I know calls it a "round", because who wants to waste breath saying "cartridge"? Literally everyone knows what you mean by "bullet", save for the people who just like to be pretentious and critical. I don't think it matters a bit to the majority of us, we just enjoy the video for the high quality entertainment and info it provides! Keep on doing what you do WhoTee, we love ya!
There you go! Appreciate you watching Weston
The mighty 308 out performed the grand 06 in that one Wtw, sorry but the film doesn't lie. Great video enjoyed it and nice you matched bullet weight and manufacturer in ammo.
If the bullet weights are the same with the same .308" diameter, with 150 grain bullets the ballistics will be very similar due to the effecient case of the 308, thus giving it a lower weight powder charge vs the 30-06. The slight edge to the 30-06 with 165 grain load.
But the 30-06 will give higher velocities with bullets of 165 grain and higher weights.
The overall maximum case lengths of that 308 forces heavier bullets to be seated deeper into the smaller cases volume, limiting it's powder charges with heavier bullets. In those cases the 30-06 is superior in both velocity and versatility.
I bought a new Ruger American in .308 this year, I shot a doe at about 50 yards with a Federal Premium 165gr boat tail soft point bullet.
She flipped over on her back and that was it, top of the heart gone.
.308 was developed to mimic .30-06 ballistics out of a short action rifle, differences are negligible.
You got a great deal on those setups!!! Who Tee Who....
The .308 (or 7.62x51 NATO) was designed to give almost identical performance to the 30-06 in military loadings. This was possible because by the 1950s - when the .308 was developed - propellants had improved significantly. The 30-06 is capable of (potentially) much greater performance than the .308, because of greater case capacity, in custom or hand loads. When using factory ammo, you won't usually notice much of a difference between the two.
Kinda like what was done to 10mm and 40s&w.
You got me at $225 for the whole set up. Lol
Really kool vid! I think I would go with the .308
Thanx much, WTW!
Got my first hunting rifle yesterday. Bergera b14 in .308 with a vortex diamondback tactical 4×16×44. Can't wait to test some ammo and see if I can make some jagged holes and hopefully get some venison in the freezer. Love your vids. I'd love to see a 308 ammo test with a few different bullet types and weights.
Awesome! Very nice pick
It would be cool to see the same test from 300, 500, and 800 meters
I’d love to see 6.5 Grendel vs 308! Different types of clay have different physical characteristics. Either way, 308 vs3006 is a little brother vs big brother proposition.
Appreciate your videos!
Appreciate you watching!
Great job ! Thank you!!
Thanks for watching!
Shooting the blocks lengthwise might give some more insight as the bullets would have more media to dump energy into.
My thoughts exactly. Might show how the energy is dissipated through the block.
Well done. Thank you!
Thanks for watching Nate
Happy New Year
Awesome video. Like many others here, I have both rounds and love both rounds. That 308 definitely won that celebrity clay fight though. lol
According to the Hornady web site, the .308 is moving at 2820 fps muzzle, 24' barrel, vs 2910 for the .30-06, a difference of 90 fps or 3%.
Your experiment demonstrates the reason why the .308/7.62x51 was developed. Same basic ballistics as the .30-06 in a short action cartridge.
There is no difference of any significance between those impressive blocks of clay. I am a retired gas passer and I have taken care of thousands of GSW's most of them handguns, a few shotguns, and very few high velocity rifle rounds. They just don't make it to the OR, they go from ER to morgue.
Wow totally thought that .06 would hit harder than the .308 would be curious to see 350 legend vs 30-30.
Great videos!
Something ZEN like with those clay blocks in slow mo. 👍
I love your works of ART !!!
That was fun to watch. Two good calibers. Those metal things inside the small tube things with the powder really messed the clay up. Hell cartridges is easier to say.
Only difference will be (according to Hornady) 90 FPS more velocity with the 30-06 (2910 FPS) over the 308 (2820 FPS). The 06 doesn't come into it's own till you get heavier bullets with slower burning powder.
Really should stop claying around! Lol! Love it!!😜
Awesome video, two awesome rifle setups for under 500 bucks, that’s one sweet deal.
308 & 30-06 are right there with Baseball, .45acp & Moms apple pie!!!
My personal favorites I’ll never sell...Browning BAR 30-06 & Winchester 88 .308
🎉🎉Happy New Year🎉🎉
Wow, that was fascinating