Thank you forvideo. Now can you add 2024 Monaco intentional crash? How he looked right, saw Magnussen, then decided to turn right knowing Magnussen's front axle was past his rear
Like when Schumacher forgot to countersteer when he parked his car in Rascasse. The same guy who drove with an overrotating and nervous back and was a master at controlling it. And that is coming from a big Schumi fan!
@@LeTangKichiro Schumacher actually did counter steer, but it looked like counter steering a car that was gripping up plenty which made it look really silly. In that sense Perez did it a little less obvious by actually forcing the car to lose grip on the rear which makes it more difficult to prove this was intentional even if no racing driver looking at that is ever going to believe this was an accident.
@@jerome8670 Max disqualified him as a race winner, and gave him a ban on Grand Prix medals. If you anger Max, his justice will find you. If you don't believe me, ask Lewis: Max withdrew his race winning license in Abu Dabi, "No more victories for you mate"
@@worfoz😂🤣😂 that is true! Must have some skin in the game as even Newey as left ? I think newey leaves when the driver or an individual become more powerful than the team. I can’t figure it all out?
its the fact that he didnt even pretend to counter steer that does it for me，even a sim player like me will always instinctively counter steer whenever the rear stepped out and perez made absolutely 0 effort to save that slide
Surely they can just give an automatic 5 place grid penalty for causing a red flag in quali and all this nonsense would stop. Only exception being mechanical failure which can be verified.
@BeBe-vh4ry I think they already implemented such a rule this year (not a grid drip, but your fastest lap gets removed). It was because of this and other more innocent crashes like Norris in 2022 Imola (brought out SC, allowing him to keep P3 when others were improving) and Leclerc here in 2021 (no explanation necessary)
Baffles me that people still dispute this as an 'accident'. No driver would slam on the throttle like that in a low speed corner, they know at this speed and steering angle you will instantly light up the rear tyres and invoke a spin. Watch 100 random onboard laps of Monaco and I doubt you will find a single driver applying anywhere near the same amount of throttle. Perez's intentions for doing it could have been anything, but it's basically guaranteed to be a certainty that he did do it.
@@mesh8349Perez has been in this game for more than 10 years and has been signed by a top team. Maybe he'd do it when he started GP3, but he wouldn't just randomly throttle and not correct it when in a red bull after 10 years. Plus, it was the last minutes of Q3 and he was on provisional pole, no reason to get so frustrated you spin in a slow corner
@@raddishone92 Pérez wasn't on provisional pole, Leclerc was. Pérez was P3 at the time. He just wanted to make sure Verstappen couldn't improve his time and get ahead of him. In the end Pérez got exactly what he wanted, because he won the race the next day.
Sudden throttle input to start sliding the rears, brake right after to keep the rear sliding into the wall, securing his position in front of Max. Idk how this went unnoticed
The best thing about people denying this was on purpose is that if that would have been a genuine mistake a driver making a mistake like this would have absolutely no place in F1. This couldn't be more foolish.
@@pufiadagaddt9488 What about him? You people still don't understand that there are crashes and there are "crashes"? Misjudging the distance to the wall by 10 cm is not fucking same thing as suddenly pressing full throttle in a place where never anyone with a brain would do that.
The "sudden" throttle spike mid-corner is pretty damning, even more than the lack of counter-steering. I've never seen a driver stamp on the throttle like that through T8, let alone that early. I would love an analysis video like this on Rosberg's "mistake" at the 2014 Monaco GP, as there is a lot to unpack with that one as well.
Rosberg was probably the best driver of all 3 of them, including Schumacher in my opinion, meaning his “mistake” happened with more fluidity and forethought. Rosberg gets slept on, he easily could have been a multiple WDC without Lewis existing
this little trick perez pulled cost him 2nd place in the wdc... after that max never lifted a finger for him and he was on his own. Culminating ofc in the brazil swap where max didnt give the position back...
The Brazil swap wouldn’t have been enough and he was too slow for Max to even help him that year lmao, not to mention RB shafted him with team orders the race before. Would absolutely not say this cost him second
@@Jorrie I mean all of it matters not just the specific moment in brazil... It's just 3 points to tie and 4 to be 2nd in the wdc outright.. That's one cheeky driver swap somewhere else. although, I'd have to admit that there weren't alot of opportunities for a swap that would've subtle. Max could've given up a win in Mexico or Japan...in mexico Perez wouldn't have even won if max fell back cause checo was 3rd there. So ham would've won then and checo 2nd.. 🫣 Anyway, if you remember the Brazil incident max talked on the radio like the team actually discussed it with him already on previous moments. He said sum like 'dont ask me things like that I told you already 😤'
Love both Checo and Max (Max is my favorite BTW), and mixed feelings about what happened. Sure, Checo crashed on purpose to be in front of Max and, up to a certain point, I understood and approved what Max did in Brazil as a showing of who's boss, but on the other hand, he had already won the championship and it was completely unnecessary and showed how rancorous he can be
@@niconovaz141 Like hell everyone keeps saying he helped him win the wdc, fk off man. Hamilton should not have been anywhere close to Max in the standings if Perez was competent and even half as consistent as Max throughout the 2021 season. WDC is decided with a full season, not 1 race.
Perez helped Max, Max helped Perez. Perez crossed Max, Max then crossed Perez, and they are even and have already got back to be in great terms. You know, like decent gentlemen do. You see so many Red Bull videos where they are absolutely fine with each other because they know they are even. It's Perez fanbase who still hold the grudges since they transferred the whole national happiness responsibility to Checo apparently.
idk who they replace him with but Perez needs to go if he keeps getting knocked out in Q2 now, McLaren or Ferrari are now a serious threat to the constructors title. Mclaren was the highest scoring team in Imola.
I think Sainz is the best option still. Just look at Imola last weekend. Yes it wasn't Sainz at his best, which is actually the point. He qualified in the top 6 and stayed there. Perez was nowhere. Sainz at his best is amazing but Sainz at his worst is still dependable to be up there in some form. Perez at this worst fades into irrelevancy. RB can't afford this shit.
Imagine being Max. You and your team were just grossly sabotaged by your teammate, knowing that this gives the direct competitor Ferrari a massive advantage, especially in Monaco. And it's completely clear to you what happened, yet nobody bats an eye. Then Ferrari does a typical Ferrari strategy and the teammate who sabotaged you gets preferential treatment in strategy, because he is the leading driver, purely because of the sabotage. Your teammate then wins the race and the team celebrates the win with him, while the media all write about him being a title contender and a threat. It's actually quite kind of Max to only respond months later by refusing to give his position up in the race...
Probably part of the power struggle they are hiding. Marko was against 2 year contract but Horner is Perez "fan" so he went ahead. Same wit Ricciardo, Marko wants to swap him for Lawson, Horner keeps him because he is his favourite. Horner, Marko, Newey and Verstappen made a great team that defeated Mercedes in their prime. Now we are not sure if they will constructors
Being Verstappen’s teammate is so psychologically draining. Perez wasn’t even on pole but still crashed on purpose just to be ahead of him in the race💀
Nah I don’t think this was targeted at Max, he must’ve been having an awful lap and chose to secure 3rd at least. Doesn’t make sense to give Leclerc, who was a genuine threat for the WDC at that time, a pole and 1-2 at Monaco
@@williamhobbs4202 The only threat to his 3rd place was Verstappen, both Ferrari's already had a quicker time than Perez. And Perez did indeed have a bad 1st sector here from what I remember.
I don't argue the data, but I do argue the conclusion. In T8, he spikes the throttle to get the car to rotate on exit as a matter of procedure. When the car comes "unstuck" from this, it's because the throttle input exceeded the intended traction from the rear tires. he doesn't turn left, but he essentially zeros the right turn as well, waiting for the tires to regain traction to the road first. Counter steering when the car is "unstuck" like that can be successful, but also may be dangerous. It's a matter of why the car is behaving how it is. In turn 1, it's because the momentum of the car was so different in the back to the front, "over-rotating", and corrective action would bring the car back into line. In turn 8, it's because the tires have temporarily lost traction. When the tires regain grip, if you're counter steering, you're going to clout the wall head on. I see what you see, but I don't agree with any conclusion that he meant to crash. He read the situations differently. T1 was a car balance issue, T8 was a tire grip issue.
Your conclusions are incorrect, there is another video with Perez's data through the same corner in the same session. At no point does he ever have anything like that throttle input. There is no other explanation for why he would spike the throttle to 100% mid-corner. Even if we accept your idea that he spiked the throttle to rotate the car, he still would have counter-steered to counteract the excessive rotation. This was intentional.
You say an ‘unusual throttle input’ but look at Perez driving style, it’s his MO to accelerate just after the apex of a corner He jump d a little too hard on the accelerator and he didn’t counter steer because he knew he was screwed. Professional drivers are as capable of reading their crashes as they are their driving
1. around 60% throttle BEFORE the apex 2. he just blipped the throttle like when you're revving your car, can't accelerate anything with that kind of input 3. F1 driver jumping "a little too hard" on the throttle is like a professional soccer/football player like for example Ronaldo missing the ball when kicking it 4. the way of handling oversteer is predicting it, if you intend to suddenly launch 600HP into the wheels then your second intent is to counter-steer the moment it's possible 5. if he predicted the crash then he did it very poorly because counter-steering would still be the better scenario, not doing anything is good for either spinning out at high speed or when you don't want others to crash into you
That was such an obviously intentional crash lmao no wonder Max was so irritated. Anyone doubting that this is intentional is crazy, that kind of throttle input doesn't just happen there. Perez himself has gone through that turn countless times normally and didn't blip the throttle.
He needs to be replaced. Max is breaking records meanwhile perez struggles to even get podiums. Soon as it hits the european swing of the season he cant even make q3 in the best car.
I went to a verstappen's monaco pole lap and he starts to accelerate in almost the same exact point as checo, I wouldnt call it a "sudden" or "abnormal" input, its just the point of engaging... it looks abnormal because he lose the car right away and checo gave up the throttle and I like to believe he also gave up counter stearing because at that point he cant recover the car I dont think this is staged, you need more evidence, people believe they are f1 know-it-all guys and they are just simracers that want to justify everything on redbull
Remember modern F1 cars are fly by wire, so an issue with a pedal encoder or ECU might cause this problem. I had a spiking pedal on my simrig a while back which required a full teardown and rebuild to fix. And those two things are definitely the same ;) but more seriously, perhaps all cars need pedal cams like FOM trialled with McLaren the other year.
On slow corners, drivers do not always counter-steer as sometimes is better to complete an spin to avoid the wall… im not saying is the case here, but is not counter intuitive either
It probably didnt feel like it was bottoming out for him, so he blipped the throttle and the car bottomed out for sure. Very tight margins for success and failure.
Hey, it got past the stewards, so ship it in 2022! But yeah, the first one was possibly some disrupted air on a push lap plus some rear locking that results in a snap that is pretty hard to save at T1. The second is something an inexperienced F1 game player trying with assists off for the first time would do.
This is the very reason why Max refused to give the position back to Perez in Brazil. Everyone hates on Max before knowing his reason for never giving anything off to his teammate.
you need to compare it also to that spin that drivers do when they missed a turn and need to return to the track. my guess would be 'close to identical'
I think he didn't even want to crash. He just wanted to be there blocking the road causing yellow or double yellow. Because even if he wouldn't have crashed, until he would have freed himself from that position, Max's fast lap would already have been destroyed anyway and he would have arrived there waiting like he did as Perez crashed.
The T8 turn is a much slower corner. He didn't counter steer because he thought the rear could come all the way around enough and avoid the wall. Wow, people who have never raced should never discuss things they don't truly understand. There have been plenty of suspicious crashes in F1.... even plenty of straight-up intentional ones.... Plenty. Neither of these were.
Lots of non-racers here I assume. A boot of throttle to initiate rotation in a low speed corner is far from “suspicious “. Let’s see the traces from other laps.
Crash 3; they would definitely claim, and with some plausibility, that he was just getting on the throttle for the corner exit, but got on too early, and then got back off again trying to save it as the real cut loose, thus creating the spike. Rather than a side by side with the other crash I would be much more interested to see a side by side with a normal fast lap where he doesn't crash so we can see just how off of his usual behavior this was.
One thing I really hate about this crash is that leclerc couldn't finish his lap which would've been probably his best pole ever and one of the best monaco laps ever maybe even one of the best f1 pole laps ever (definitely not the best but top 15 or top 10 for sure)
Crashing on purpose is not "competetive". Competetive would be to think "I will try to get the best possible time and fight for pole position instead of being happy with 3rd". What Perez did was simply unsportsmanlike, disgusting and complete asshole move. No wonder Max was angry.
There’s so much wrong here that it’s just funny at this point 😂 what i’ve seen nobody mention is that after he had crashed he suddenly started counter-steering as if to make it look like he did try it.
This is gunna sound wild, but i think he thought he was in third gear, it sounds rediculous, but if in third, this spike in throttle is very realistic, and he didnt have the time to process what a stupid thing he had done. Ofc this could always be wildly wrong.
Monaco pole lap 2024 vs 2019: th-cam.com/video/mAF5rHQ44cs/w-d-xo.html
Thank you forvideo. Now can you add 2024 Monaco intentional crash? How he looked right, saw Magnussen, then decided to turn right knowing Magnussen's front axle was past his rear
Counter-steering is so instinct for a driver that even Buemi did it when he lost both of his front tyres
Was thinking the same thing
After about 10 minutes of go karting, that instinct sticks.
Like when Schumacher forgot to countersteer when he parked his car in Rascasse. The same guy who drove with an overrotating and nervous back and was a master at controlling it.
And that is coming from a big Schumi fan!
😂
@@LeTangKichiro
Schumacher actually did counter steer, but it looked like counter steering a car that was gripping up plenty which made it look really silly. In that sense Perez did it a little less obvious by actually forcing the car to lose grip on the rear which makes it more difficult to prove this was intentional even if no racing driver looking at that is ever going to believe this was an accident.
That spike on the throttle is very damning indeed.
in combination with the lack of counter steering...
@@LokiBeckonswow Yeah what kind of driver just lets his car rotate like that without trying to correct it with counter steer? Purely intentional.
💯 on purpose!
Should have got a ban if not disqualified
@@jerome8670 Max disqualified him as a race winner, and gave him a ban on Grand Prix medals.
If you anger Max, his justice will find you.
If you don't believe me, ask Lewis: Max withdrew his race winning license in Abu Dabi, "No more victories for you mate"
@@worfoz😂🤣😂 that is true!
Must have some skin in the game as even Newey as left ?
I think newey leaves when the driver or an individual become more powerful than the team.
I can’t figure it all out?
its the fact that he didnt even pretend to counter steer that does it for me，even a sim player like me will always instinctively counter steer whenever the rear stepped out and perez made absolutely 0 effort to save that slide
I can relate, I always try to counter steer when they take me out
yes because the physics of a video game is the same as a real f1 🤦🏼♀️
@@solsuarez528 yes exactly like how the content of your tiny brain is the same as most animals' intestines
@@Gua2O5 same
@@solsuarez528 you clearly dont understand the message
That’s the problem with Monaco , red flags in quali can turn the best quali of the year to the worst
2nd perez crash was pure cheating
Surely they can just give an automatic 5 place grid penalty for causing a red flag in quali and all this nonsense would stop. Only exception being mechanical failure which can be verified.
You cause a red flag in quali you go to the back of the line. No exceptions.
@BeBe-vh4ry I think they already implemented such a rule this year (not a grid drip, but your fastest lap gets removed). It was because of this and other more innocent crashes like Norris in 2022 Imola (brought out SC, allowing him to keep P3 when others were improving) and Leclerc here in 2021 (no explanation necessary)
@@raddishone92 Ah nice didnt know that
Baffles me that people still dispute this as an 'accident'. No driver would slam on the throttle like that in a low speed corner, they know at this speed and steering angle you will instantly light up the rear tyres and invoke a spin. Watch 100 random onboard laps of Monaco and I doubt you will find a single driver applying anywhere near the same amount of throttle. Perez's intentions for doing it could have been anything, but it's basically guaranteed to be a certainty that he did do it.
Maybe he was frustrated
Literally the exact same thing Piquet Jr did to crash in Singapore 2008.
@@mesh8349Perez has been in this game for more than 10 years and has been signed by a top team. Maybe he'd do it when he started GP3, but he wouldn't just randomly throttle and not correct it when in a red bull after 10 years. Plus, it was the last minutes of Q3 and he was on provisional pole, no reason to get so frustrated you spin in a slow corner
exactly, regardless of intentions, it was clearly intentional
@@raddishone92 Pérez wasn't on provisional pole, Leclerc was. Pérez was P3 at the time. He just wanted to make sure Verstappen couldn't improve his time and get ahead of him. In the end Pérez got exactly what he wanted, because he won the race the next day.
Crazy to think it wasn’t even to secure pole for himself either, just to qualify ahead of Max
It only shows how difficult and good is Max. At the level of the Alonso and Senna.
@@emilianososa2079 it shows how Perez could never be a championship contender. In fact, he'll be replaced soon.
@@Evan102030 Lol, he will renew very soon and you will be crying
@@agironk why would I be crying? 😂
@@emilianososa2079Alonso is nowhere near the likes of Senna, Schumacher or Max, get real mate
He didn't even try to make it look like a real crash, it's so obvious 😂
Not obvious enough for FIA to even look at it.
This could be chalked up to Perez being an idiot. Evidence from multiple seasons show this.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Sudden throttle input to start sliding the rears, brake right after to keep the rear sliding into the wall, securing his position in front of Max. Idk how this went unnoticed
It didn’t. A Dutch newspaper that also was the Horner whistleblower did a report on it at the time.
you brake to get your car straight up and slow down, not to keep sliding
Ohh everyone noticed, I promise
@@ketonoyir865 Sideways, if you keep the tires locked, you keep sliding towards the same direction.
It didn't
The best thing about people denying this was on purpose is that if that would have been a genuine mistake a driver making a mistake like this would have absolutely no place in F1. This couldn't be more foolish.
Ironically Perez has no place in redbull
*cough* George Russel in Singapore *cough*
@@pufiadagaddt9488 still not as bad as when he crashed behind the safety car
@@pufiadagaddt9488 What about him? You people still don't understand that there are crashes and there are "crashes"? Misjudging the distance to the wall by 10 cm is not fucking same thing as suddenly pressing full throttle in a place where never anyone with a brain would do that.
The "sudden" throttle spike mid-corner is pretty damning, even more than the lack of counter-steering. I've never seen a driver stamp on the throttle like that through T8, let alone that early.
I would love an analysis video like this on Rosberg's "mistake" at the 2014 Monaco GP, as there is a lot to unpack with that one as well.
There's nothing really to unpack from Checo's, Rosberg's, or Schumacher's Monaco 'incidents' apart from them being blatantly deliberate.
@@TheFatSandwhich at least Rosberg tried to hide it properly, to the point where it can be argued not to be deliberate in good faith
Rosberg was probably the best driver of all 3 of them, including Schumacher in my opinion, meaning his “mistake” happened with more fluidity and forethought. Rosberg gets slept on, he easily could have been a multiple WDC without Lewis existing
Feels like me playing on F1 😂😂😂😂
this little trick perez pulled cost him 2nd place in the wdc... after that max never lifted a finger for him and he was on his own. Culminating ofc in the brazil swap where max didnt give the position back...
Didn't even matter in the end because he couldn't get enough points to get 2nd place in the WDC even if Max conceded his position
The Brazil swap wouldn’t have been enough and he was too slow for Max to even help him that year lmao, not to mention RB shafted him with team orders the race before. Would absolutely not say this cost him second
@@Jorrie I mean all of it matters not just the specific moment in brazil... It's just 3 points to tie and 4 to be 2nd in the wdc outright..
That's one cheeky driver swap somewhere else. although, I'd have to admit that there weren't alot of opportunities for a swap that would've subtle. Max could've given up a win in Mexico or Japan...in mexico Perez wouldn't have even won if max fell back cause checo was 3rd there. So ham would've won then and checo 2nd.. 🫣
Anyway, if you remember the Brazil incident max talked on the radio like the team actually discussed it with him already on previous moments. He said sum like 'dont ask me things like that I told you already 😤'
@@williamhobbs4202 with a blatant swap or 'gearbox problem' he could've given perez enough points.
@@dco1019 he should’ve swapped in Brazil for sure but I don’t think it’s fair to ask him to give up a win
Verstappen was right in Brazil
Come on fuck a Monaco Pole he helped him with a wdc
Love both Checo and Max (Max is my favorite BTW), and mixed feelings about what happened. Sure, Checo crashed on purpose to be in front of Max and, up to a certain point, I understood and approved what Max did in Brazil as a showing of who's boss, but on the other hand, he had already won the championship and it was completely unnecessary and showed how rancorous he can be
@@niconovaz141 Like hell everyone keeps saying he helped him win the wdc, fk off man. Hamilton should not have been anywhere close to Max in the standings if Perez was competent and even half as consistent as Max throughout the 2021 season. WDC is decided with a full season, not 1 race.
Perez helped Max, Max helped Perez. Perez crossed Max, Max then crossed Perez, and they are even and have already got back to be in great terms. You know, like decent gentlemen do.
You see so many Red Bull videos where they are absolutely fine with each other because they know they are even. It's Perez fanbase who still hold the grudges since they transferred the whole national happiness responsibility to Checo apparently.
Let’s just agree that it was latifi that helped max win the wdc
idk who they replace him with but Perez needs to go if he keeps getting knocked out in Q2 now, McLaren or Ferrari are now a serious threat to the constructors title. Mclaren was the highest scoring team in Imola.
I think Sainz is the best option still. Just look at Imola last weekend. Yes it wasn't Sainz at his best, which is actually the point. He qualified in the top 6 and stayed there. Perez was nowhere. Sainz at his best is amazing but Sainz at his worst is still dependable to be up there in some form. Perez at this worst fades into irrelevancy. RB can't afford this shit.
Perez died after Miami 2023. We for sure don't know how but saying Max scared him is funny and kinda makes sense XD
It’s been one race, calm down lmfao
@@ThaCampinDutchman Sainz dont like Max or Max dont like Sainz or both. I dont think you wanna risk a championship with those shennanigans.
It's ONE FUCKING RACE
bro crashed like the AI in the career mode on F1 games, just a random throttle spike
Imagine being Max. You and your team were just grossly sabotaged by your teammate, knowing that this gives the direct competitor Ferrari a massive advantage, especially in Monaco. And it's completely clear to you what happened, yet nobody bats an eye. Then Ferrari does a typical Ferrari strategy and the teammate who sabotaged you gets preferential treatment in strategy, because he is the leading driver, purely because of the sabotage. Your teammate then wins the race and the team celebrates the win with him, while the media all write about him being a title contender and a threat.
It's actually quite kind of Max to only respond months later by refusing to give his position up in the race...
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It's unreal to me Red Bull is still keeping Perez after this. Especially now when drivers like Sainz are up to grabs.
Probably part of the power struggle they are hiding. Marko was against 2 year contract but Horner is Perez "fan" so he went ahead. Same wit Ricciardo, Marko wants to swap him for Lawson, Horner keeps him because he is his favourite.
Horner, Marko, Newey and Verstappen made a great team that defeated Mercedes in their prime. Now we are not sure if they will constructors
Spot on analysis. I was initially disappointed in Max’s immaturity. Now I’m flabbergasted by his restraint
Being Verstappen’s teammate is so psychologically draining.
Perez wasn’t even on pole but still crashed on purpose just to be ahead of him in the race💀
Nah I don’t think this was targeted at Max, he must’ve been having an awful lap and chose to secure 3rd at least. Doesn’t make sense to give Leclerc, who was a genuine threat for the WDC at that time, a pole and 1-2 at Monaco
@@williamhobbs4202 max could take pole if he didn't crash
@@williamhobbs4202 The only threat to his 3rd place was Verstappen, both Ferrari's already had a quicker time than Perez. And Perez did indeed have a bad 1st sector here from what I remember.
@@justrandomguy694 no chance. Leclercs first lap was 3 tenths quicker than max's and he was up 4 tenths on his second lap
@@groovydragoncat4747 One of those "we'll never know" moments. Please look at Max' 2023 Monaco final sector and tell everyone "no chance" lol
In the words on Fernando Alonso… “Karma”
karma huh? lol
0:28 Kobe!
Wow can’t unsee now 😁😂😂
WDYM, Kobe? It's just a crash, isn't it? I also don't see anyone resembling Kobe Bryant, aside for some black marshalls behind the Armco barriers...
@@sgthulk9look closely at the left mirror when perez crashes and you will get it then
Ah, the left mirror falls back in his own cockpit. I get it now. Not really un-seeing it, it happens sometimes.@@rebos_six
@@rebos_six I don't get it the mirror came of what does it mean?
I don't argue the data, but I do argue the conclusion. In T8, he spikes the throttle to get the car to rotate on exit as a matter of procedure. When the car comes "unstuck" from this, it's because the throttle input exceeded the intended traction from the rear tires. he doesn't turn left, but he essentially zeros the right turn as well, waiting for the tires to regain traction to the road first.
Counter steering when the car is "unstuck" like that can be successful, but also may be dangerous.
It's a matter of why the car is behaving how it is. In turn 1, it's because the momentum of the car was so different in the back to the front, "over-rotating", and corrective action would bring the car back into line.
In turn 8, it's because the tires have temporarily lost traction. When the tires regain grip, if you're counter steering, you're going to clout the wall head on.
I see what you see, but I don't agree with any conclusion that he meant to crash. He read the situations differently. T1 was a car balance issue, T8 was a tire grip issue.
Your conclusions are incorrect, there is another video with Perez's data through the same corner in the same session. At no point does he ever have anything like that throttle input. There is no other explanation for why he would spike the throttle to 100% mid-corner. Even if we accept your idea that he spiked the throttle to rotate the car, he still would have counter-steered to counteract the excessive rotation. This was intentional.
Whoever knows a damn thing about driving and F1 knows Max had every right to be mad about this and do what he did in Brazil
And this ladies and gentlemen is the reason max was pissed for such a long time.
Well, at least he didn't pretend to crash and stall like Schumacher in 2006
Everyone who had raced competitively once in their life (let it be simulation or real life) knows that the Perez' crash was on purpose.
You say an ‘unusual throttle input’ but look at Perez driving style, it’s his MO to accelerate just after the apex of a corner
He jump d a little too hard on the accelerator and he didn’t counter steer because he knew he was screwed.
Professional drivers are as capable of reading their crashes as they are their driving
1. around 60% throttle BEFORE the apex
2. he just blipped the throttle like when you're revving your car, can't accelerate anything with that kind of input
3. F1 driver jumping "a little too hard" on the throttle is like a professional soccer/football player like for example Ronaldo missing the ball when kicking it
4. the way of handling oversteer is predicting it, if you intend to suddenly launch 600HP into the wheels then your second intent is to counter-steer the moment it's possible
5. if he predicted the crash then he did it very poorly because counter-steering would still be the better scenario, not doing anything is good for either spinning out at high speed or when you don't want others to crash into you
There was a video comparing how usually he enters that corner and how he did this time. The crash one was out of ordinary
Choko perez - Far from pole
He is on the throtle even before the apex...
This really shows how easy it is to spin the car, their throttle management is amazing.
That was such an obviously intentional crash lmao no wonder Max was so irritated. Anyone doubting that this is intentional is crazy, that kind of throttle input doesn't just happen there. Perez himself has gone through that turn countless times normally and didn't blip the throttle.
He needs to be replaced. Max is breaking records meanwhile perez struggles to even get podiums. Soon as it hits the european swing of the season he cant even make q3 in the best car.
If he gets replaced it should be with Lawson. If Yuki is going to Aston. Daniel isn't good enough for the top spot anymore
@@stephenbachman132 Lawson? lol the replacement should be Sainz
Sainz ftw!
He’s 3rd in the championship, calm down lmfao
@@FURYBrentonlol sainz is 5th in the standings
Perez plays the best second driver to help the team whatever it takes for Max and the team to win. That’s why he go another extension! Great work!!!
And people wonder why Max was pissed... the best driver in the world saw the onboard footage and IMMEDIATELY knew what he did. Simple
Seems like he got stunned by the fact that he pushed throttle instead of brake again. Like "f*ck, I'm dumb" and then crashes into wall.
people still hasn't gotten over this
Great video as always. Suspicious is a very soft way to put it😢
Reminds me of the Rosberg "late" brake shake the steering wheel to try and lock up at Monaco as well
I went to a verstappen's monaco pole lap and he starts to accelerate in almost the same exact point as checo, I wouldnt call it a "sudden" or "abnormal" input, its just the point of engaging... it looks abnormal because he lose the car right away and checo gave up the throttle and I like to believe he also gave up counter stearing because at that point he cant recover the car
I dont think this is staged, you need more evidence, people believe they are f1 know-it-all guys and they are just simracers that want to justify everything on redbull
Remember modern F1 cars are fly by wire, so an issue with a pedal encoder or ECU might cause this problem. I had a spiking pedal on my simrig a while back which required a full teardown and rebuild to fix. And those two things are definitely the same ;) but more seriously, perhaps all cars need pedal cams like FOM trialled with McLaren the other year.
Clearly a complete accident.
That anyone discovered it.
The counter steer did occur in the second one...
The wheels lined up nicely to the braking lines...
The car had optimal stopping time
In IndyCar, if you bring out the red flag, you lose your best lap. Would fix this issue.
Would like to see a similar video but for drivers "locking up" to bring out yellows (Like Rosberg at Monaco and Alonso in Baku)
Gotta give him credit, it was much more convincing than Schumi and Rosberg’s fake crashes in monaco
Rosberg's was better
Max knew. All the people who had access to the data knew......
Even on a controller you'd try to counter steer lmao
one more abnormally, that is an unusual place to give throttle input, let alone full throttle in such short time, that spin is clearly planned
Today he had a really realistic crash
On slow corners, drivers do not always counter-steer as sometimes is better to complete an spin to avoid the wall… im not saying is the case here, but is not counter intuitive either
It probably didnt feel like it was bottoming out for him, so he blipped the throttle and the car bottomed out for sure. Very tight margins for success and failure.
we need one lap qualies again
Makes a lot more sense why Max wouldn't give the position back in Brazil.
Hey, it got past the stewards, so ship it in 2022!
But yeah, the first one was possibly some disrupted air on a push lap plus some rear locking that results in a snap that is pretty hard to save at T1. The second is something an inexperienced F1 game player trying with assists off for the first time would do.
F1 watchers when they discover that money runs every sport even the one they love 😱😱😱
Im a Checo fan but i can’t defend this stupidity 💔
...and thats why you dont ever get let through again.
Looks like he just tried to get back on the gas too early
I called this as soon as I saw it.
This is the very reason why Max refused to give the position back to Perez in Brazil. Everyone hates on Max before knowing his reason for never giving anything off to his teammate.
I said this was a very suspicious crash the very first time I saw the onboard and people called me a conspiracy theorist😂
you need to compare it also to that spin that drivers do when they missed a turn and need to return to the track. my guess would be 'close to identical'
he was in 3rd gear instead of 2nd, probably thought it wouldnt bite straight away but had enough grip not to bog down the revs
I never even thought about the steering inputs(or lack of). Seeing Checo make no effort to counter steer says it all.
Brakes on and a full throttle spike and yes he did counter steer as I stint just after all that happened in split second
I think he didn't even want to crash. He just wanted to be there blocking the road causing yellow or double yellow. Because even if he wouldn't have crashed, until he would have freed himself from that position, Max's fast lap would already have been destroyed anyway and he would have arrived there waiting like he did as Perez crashed.
Didnt realize it was that obvious. He must have been trying to make a statement.
The T8 turn is a much slower corner. He didn't counter steer because he thought the rear could come all the way around enough and avoid the wall. Wow, people who have never raced should never discuss things they don't truly understand. There have been plenty of suspicious crashes in F1.... even plenty of straight-up intentional ones.... Plenty. Neither of these were.
Lots of non-racers here I assume. A boot of throttle to initiate rotation in a low speed corner is far from “suspicious “. Let’s see the traces from other laps.
So this is why they'd rather have Checo than Ricciardo 🤣
T1 definitely could of been his diff being too high, high rotation causing him to lose the rear
Crash 3; they would definitely claim, and with some plausibility, that he was just getting on the throttle for the corner exit, but got on too early, and then got back off again trying to save it as the real cut loose, thus creating the spike.
Rather than a side by side with the other crash I would be much more interested to see a side by side with a normal fast lap where he doesn't crash so we can see just how off of his usual behavior this was.
That 2022 crash I picked up on it straight away I mean like if you can’t hear his car just climb revs instantly you’re deaf
I knew it would be about Perez in Monaco before I even clicked the video.
this is exactly what latifi did in abhu dabi wait a sec
his first mistake towards oblivion
how do you get exaust mic mate?
I see why max was so mad at him then
Lol quite interesting yeah, doesn’t even try to play it off
Only because the 2nd one was deliberate.
Sparking a 2 year old controversy again 🔥🔥
Very suspicious- should have been investigated
I love your video's!
Checo definitely punched it on purpose.
Scrolling the comments to see why this was KMag's fault, too.
This is why you should get a grid penalty for causing a red flag in qualifying
Suspicious to not say proposital
That is the reason why Verstappen didn't give back the position in Interlagos.
we all know better, don't we, on our playstations
He pulled a rosberg in 2014 or 2015 can’t remember which one!
2014
@@lksnmb thank you
Max got these points back anyway in Brazil xD
Yeah, that could not be more obvious.
He didn't even do the fake-crash well.
One thing I really hate about this crash is that leclerc couldn't finish his lap which would've been probably his best pole ever and one of the best monaco laps ever maybe even one of the best f1 pole laps ever (definitely not the best but top 15 or top 10 for sure)
Can’t deny data.
But, Can’t blame a racing driver for being competitive.
Aaaand, Can’t blame Max for sayin F you back.
Crashing on purpose is not "competetive". Competetive would be to think "I will try to get the best possible time and fight for pole position instead of being happy with 3rd".
What Perez did was simply unsportsmanlike, disgusting and complete asshole move. No wonder Max was angry.
if for fia is ok, then it is ok and everyone must accept it
the thing in "suspicious" crash that he denied us from one of the most epic Monaco poles of all times
Max's one from 2023 was more epic. considering the time he had to make up to beat Alonso.
@@FlaredIt was more epic yes but leclerc was on one of the best pole laps ever in 2022 and checo ruined it
@@Flared leclercs lap would have been basically max's s3 + alonsos s1 and s2. shame we didnt see it
There’s so much wrong here that it’s just funny at this point 😂 what i’ve seen nobody mention is that after he had crashed he suddenly started counter-steering as if to make it look like he did try it.
Gotta tell ya, those tires suck. They shouldn't lose grip like that.
Are people really still butt hurt about this? It was last year.
if the radio is synced properly, no wonder blud crashed in 2023, hearing a radio call in the braking zone of a qualifying lap
This is gunna sound wild, but i think he thought he was in third gear, it sounds rediculous, but if in third, this spike in throttle is very realistic, and he didnt have the time to process what a stupid thing he had done.
Ofc this could always be wildly wrong.
I think he did it on porpose, just like Alonso a few meter before, or Leclerc in 2021, or Schumacher 2006.