That's because in my school they had a high play-rate so when you lose pencil war, you either tried to write with a broken one, or buy a new one. And the winning one would typically have all the lead broken so it would be a pain to sharpen.
@fusian𝗫 i have no idea about magic haha i commented that because i can see how someone who doesn’t know about Pokémon would be uncomfortable buying expensive cards and vice Versa with magic.
Smart play Rudy. Get your minions to buy your graded Magic Cards so you can swap over to graded Pokemon Singles. genius I see thru the mirage xD sorry I shit in your Yugioh bathroom
I feel in this video that Rudy underestimates the cultural significance of Pokemon. I know that Magic is the biggest card game in the world, but its spot in pop culture is so tiny compared to Pokemon's, which is the biggest cultural phenomenon of this century. And that point is the reason why Pokemon cards go up in price the way they do, and they will continue to go up. Maybe not tomorrow, but eventually.
I was going to add my own comment but you did a great job explaining to Rudy the differences between pokemon and mtg. The ol' hit the nail on the head.
I personally don't feel Pokemon cards will rise to the prices of MTG or other TCGs because the cultural signifigance means that only pop-culture specific cards are going to retain their value. Charizard/Pikachu will always be valuable - but other than those 2, others wont hold value unless they're specifically rare; like World Champ, which is something you should just assume you won't ever get for investment purposes.
Personnaly, i own old card, 1st edition (Mostly jungle/fossul, very few base set 1st ed). This main issue is value vs real value. On paper i own a fortune, in reality, even tough price is high, selling anything ungraded is almost impossible. It takes forever to sell anything worth something even when graded. For me, and that is my opinion, i'll continue and try to sell what i own, but will not increase my position in any pokemon singles anytime soon.
I didn't know a single kid in the 90's that actually played the Pokemon TCG, we all just collected the cards. They're a lot more like sports cards in that regard, it has more to do with the art and the specific Pokemon than anything else.
The only way i even heard of people playing the tcg was through the pokemon magazine talking about tournaments. One where you could win a merill card. Of course me being from a small town i never knew anywhere that held any tournaments. Of course i was 9 so i was too young to think about that kind of thing.
2nd grade, my aunt bought my cousin and me our first base set booster packs, he pulled a 1st edition electrode and I pulled a first edition Venusaur. My cousin has passed now but I'll forever hold and cherish that moment as 1 of the best.
I found your channel 2 years ago and i didn't play magic, but I've think ive watched nearly every video and I've been taking what I've learned and made a tiny pokemon card business out of my apartment, its not much, but it helps with rent and I've been able to keep some stuff aside for a little bit of growth :)
There's also a big difference between the mechanic of what the games were. Magic the gathering started out as a playing card game and then people started collecting them. Pokémon started out as a playing card game or everyone collected them. Condition was much more scrutinized even back in the base set days because you put it in a sleeve and then into a binder sleeve and everyone wanted to collect them all, just like in the games. Thusly, a lot less kids played the trading card game and more kids collected them just to have. I think a similar thing is true with Yu-Gi-Oh but much less so, since it was targeting an older demographic that would be more into playing a game rather than collecting.
Here's the thing, Pokemon cards for me are my childhood and i'll be damned if i'm selling them. I kept them for a reason when I turned into a teenager/young adult. Sure a 5 figure value for cards would be nice but for me nostalgia is priceless. Cash in while you can, by all means but don't regret selling your childhood one day in the future.
Me and my friends are selling all our old cards on ebay like crazy, I didn't care about them for years and still don't today. I have enough stuff from my childhood to keep like all my Nintendo games and such. I'll keep a few pokemon cards I like but 95%+ are being sold. We all die one day so meh the $ we're getting is bat shit crazy.
@@icarus21 I believe it was one of my base set blastoise, I still have another one. My son has one as well but rough shape, he got it for free from a friend at school. When I sell one or both of my base set charizards that will be my best sale, but I'm going to send them off to PSA first.
What you say about the comparison between a jungle 1st ed set and an arabian nights set is true because THE PRINT RUN is so different. A rare from AN was printed in 20,000 copies and a rare from jungle? Surely much more
Vintage Pokemon never had the refinement and long calculated value of MTG. This sudden spike in interest doesn't have any foundation to get accurate prices. Millennial markets are about the "Get rich quick" instead of real value like what we saw with Crypto and Hertz (Tesla kinda). The current prices are an opportunistic scalp on a not fully understood market. We have the alpha/beta numbers, but I haven't seen anything about how many Base Set 1st edition is out there.
The recent spike is not as sudden as it may look like. It was a slow build-up the past couple of years and now with the pandemic and people spending more time at home and shopping online, the return to Pokémon and nostalgia was a natural conclusion. The scarcity of vintage Pokémon is what is giving these high prices over a relatively short amount of time. 90s kids are also just getting into the age and life stability where spending disposable income on cardboard would make more sense than earlier.
I think Rudy has good cause to steer clear of Pokemon singles. Everyone and their dog seems to be getting cards graded! Wasn't the original base set Pokemon print run way higher than MtG Alpha, along with the print runs for that whole era?🤔
Original set was kinda rare back in the day,unlimited was really printed up to the other sets of the day,but the first,original box wasnt that easy to find,even tho they kinda popped up everywhere at the time...but it was like,ok..my LGS just got the latest magic set and bought 50 boxes,and oh,what is this 4 boxes of ,what is this,..Pokemon?..hmm..curious....but I think I'll just buy a Wyvern pack,and some ice age.......
I'm more into Pokemon, and I never played one game of Pokemon. I just like the art. The prices today are wild, I hope they stay, but it had a very dramtic rise. Lol I like these new endings Rudy dude 😂
My two cent: NOTE: I know nothing about magic but the question i would ask is if the cards that are similar in price for raw vs psa 9 and psa 10 are rare to find because if the card is just a rare card then that is usually when the prices for raw and graded are going to be fairly close BUT if there is a lot of a particular card and few psa 10 or high graded ones then the values would go up exponentially.
pokemon as a franchise is on another universe compared to mtg. it is the most successful franchise in the history of the world. (look it up) as of now there are a combined 14,361 psa graded unlimited charizards. lets assume there's 100,000 beat up charizards ungraded under 40 yr old's beds. if they get graded now its 114k spa cards. im willing to bet that the 90's kids are in the millions. not enough Zards to go around. nostalgia is a hell of a drug and pokemon will be here for another 25 years.
Me and a bunch of my friends grabbed all our pokemon cards from our parents houses and now we're going nuts on ebay selling. It's ridiculous how much we're getting for them lmao.
What are your thoughts about the chase cards in current standard boxes in Pokemon tcg? Why do you think that some cards in current standard for pkmn are worth a ton but those few cards are really what makes up the majority ev of a box
Rudy - the reason there is such a difference between graded and raw card prices right now is due to the current backlog of PSA. If you go to grade a card right now, it is either $75+ for 1 month service, or $12 for bulk which takes around 8 months. The supply of graded cards does not meet the demand for graded cards currently. 1 year from now, I expect the cost of psa10 cards to come down, and psa 8/9 to go up and meet in the middle to make the nice shaped curve that you indicate you are looking for. Just my 0.02
Wizards printing quality for base through fossil was garbage, which may be a reason the psa10 goes for such a premium. Also, general hype for Pokémon has reached a fever pitch with Pokémon Go, Sword and Shield, and huge youtubers getting into it. Pokémon prices reflected the card quantities much better before all this hype hit. I think it’s wise to not spend a lot of money on singles right now; if you want to get into it, wait half a year.
That's something that people miss too! The price increases happened gradually way before the events of September+ happened. Pokémon was hot already in May this year, from a slow build up since May 2019
@@TriWaZe i hope you’re right. People like me who mostly just want to collect the cards are priced out of the market right now. I’m praying for the bubble to burst so I can get back to finishing vintage sets.
4:25 yes there are definitely less... but the demand for those cards is significantly less. I’d be willing to bet a desirable Pokémon card has 10-20 times the demand of the most desirable Magic cards.
Rudy, supply of WOTC era Pokemon is greater, but so is demand. MTG is the most played TCG in the world, but as a brand, it pales next to the casual appeal of Pokemon. Most of the people buying those cards today are just like Mini Taco Rudy: they're mostly collecting, not playing. It's a huge untapped market that Magic can't reach yet.
I remember my local store had a few binders with singles. One time I was just going in the store and someone bought a Charizard base set in front of me for 2$ and handed it to his seven year old kid.
I really think the pokemon graded card market is fundamentally different from magic for a few reasons. Key reason though is, although the print run was high, the mint condition cards that exist from the original era are much rarer. Kids played with the cards and tore em up. And the number of pokemon fans is larger than magic fans. Also the entire gimmick of pokemon is "gotta catch em all". In magic the value of the old cards is strictly dependent on the print run and the cards overall desirability, condition isnt a huge factor. In vintage pokemon, condition is everything. Especially since the cards suck in the game today. They're very weak. It's a totally different type of market.
I wonder if rudys opinion has changed 5 months later, especially after all the hype for pokemon and the millions of cards graded, after all this.. the 1st ed base set holo cards have only gone up in population at PSA 10 by 1 or 2 per holo card. What i find interesting now is that because a PSA 10 is so hard to get now, and majority of the existing 10s are pre serial 3xxx, it means majority of a seal wotc base only get PSA 9s for the holos... So does that decrease sealed box value or mean PSA 10s will only go up. Seen many open 1st ed boxes and rarely do the holos get 10..
to your point about not liking the curves on alot of cards ,pop reports have a massive effect on pokemon, i mean theres trash holos that command massive and i mean massive premiums in a bgs 9.5 or psa 10.
WOTC era pokemon holographic cards had huge printing issues revolving around centering, print lines, whitening and now warping caused by the foil process. That’s the reason a PSA 10 is so much more expensive than a 9 or an ungraded card. The price has always been significantly higher. That being said, the prices now are ridiculous and likely inflated.
Used to buy clearance or on sale pokemon boxes. Super sad those days are now gone, but my closet is finally worse more than my checking account lol. Took 4 years but I finally won the argument over my gamestop binge.
Magic got me in the 90´s when i saw on tv a warning about the game. I can remember there was a guy like on the news and a picture of a BB unholy strength with the pentagram, it was epic for me! But until this day is the game very expensive for me.
I think the big difference in prices between raw and high graded vintage Pokemon cards is due to the fact that those cards are more being collected than being played. If more players play the vintage cards, then the demand for the raw cards would increase and the difference between raw and high graded would decrease. It doesn't help that, unlike the Power 9 of magic, cards like the original Charizard aren't powerful in the tcg game play. I heard the demand for Charizard was due to the fact that Charizard was Ash's most powerful pokemon in its first season anime, so fans of the show gravitated toward it.
That's a really good point! I fully agree that the condition is important for Pokémon where collecting is #1 while playability is Magic's #1. Set cards are also not rare and therefore condition is what people go for with their collecting interest
I bought up a copy of each of the complete old sets before the gym sets a few years ago just for my own joy / collection purposes. I happy I bought those when I did T-T
Any of the new moves would be now and current on the newer sets. Old school sealed products at the moment should stay sealed and all singles should be held onto. That would keep that value of everything up and will increase the value of the newer cards and that's just my opinion.
I can see what your saying but how many more people collect Pokémon than people who collect magic. I see that a lot more clean Pokémon cards are out there than magic but I can see why the value of pokemon cards are where they are. Like magic there was only so many wotc cards still out there and with the crazy amount of people getting into the hobby now, that’s what everyone wants to own and collect. I think it’s gonna be interesting to see what single cards do and all I can see is then raise in value with all the new collectors.
There's probably a forgotten storage locker full of base pokemon booster boxes. I love pokemon, never played magic much, but I highly doubt there's any forgotten original magic booster pallets anywhere in the world.
Didn't get the answer I expected. My initial thought is that unlike Magic, Pokemon values are based on 2-3 cards per set. In Magic, you may have 15-20 average priced cards, and 3-4 high value cards. So I assumed that the answer would come down to EV for boxes. (Sealed vs. Singles) Just goes to show, you need to listen to the LOGIC in any discussion.
I think you see the range because there is a lot of new money in it which won't touch anything under a PSA 10. They just know that is the best you can get and they bid the prices up on themselves instead of trying to find one raw to grade themselves. They want it already done for them. And if you're willing to spend $5000 on a PSA 10 card you'd rather spend the extra than settle for $1500 for a PSA 9 knowing you could have had a perfect card.
Looked up 1e ed charizard and it appears to swing a high of 7k but is around 500 to 700usd. I think that speaks volumes about how unknown the quanities are actually for these. Sure they will go up in value but how muh are you over paying if you do buy today? 100% valid unless you are not in it for the money.
@fusian𝗫 ebay listings with titles like and all around 500usd: 1995 Pokemon Base Set Charizard 4/102 Holo, Charizard Holo 4/102 Base Set 1 Unlimited Pokemon Card PL Charizard Holo 4/102 Base Set 1 Unlimited Pokemon Card PL Charizard Holo 4/102 ( Pokemon Base Set Unlimited)
@fusian𝗫 it is pricy and cheap either way. Though either way; I dont get nor care for the pokemon mentality. It is like the apple bois. Very irrational.
If box prices continue to climb, why wouldnt singles marginally follow? Seems like pokemons ceiling is way higher than magic, more interest all around might see the casual collectors jump ship from Magic to Pokemon. Im just willing to bet there are more people out there that Muk is there favorite Pokemon compared to People that think Ali from Cairo is their favorite Magic character. Magic sold the collectability of their game awhile ago multiple ways, Magic online set redemptions, relentless reprints, lack of product evolution, etc.
Pokemon is extremely wide and diverse in terms of what you can buy. And I feel like the tunnel vision focus for the entry point of the hobby is completely on base set but there is still so much product prime for the reaping right now before all this demand overflows into the vast array of other categories that exist. You've got your late 90s non-tcg japanese product topsun and carddass. The Japanese vending series. Vintage japanese promos like corocoro, natta wake, trainer magazine, masaki campaign, world collection, just to name a few. And there are a million other japanese exclusive promos even leading up to modern japanese exclusives where prices go from $15 and you can buy them up and wait a year and reap the reward of limited supply matched with the intrinsic demand that comes with some of these modern promo cards. There is so much available to really jump into. For example I buy up almost every '97 toyota campaign pikachu card I can find that is still affordable because the POP being so low and supply of what is listed being so low for a '97 pokemon promo with pikachu on it; it doesn't make sense that I can buy this card up for less than some modern pikachu promos. But its niche. And I love niche because that just means underpriced in most cases. Because the overflow of collectors who are currently noob and circkejerking over base set is eventually going to lead to attention to collecting other things including niche product. If there are only 8 PSA 10s of a 23 year old pikachu promo with Ken Suigimori's name on it I'm sure I can eventually find more than 8 people who collect pikachu the face of pokemon who might want that card. There are a lot of decisions and movements that are being made in pokemon accross the board where knowledge is even more powerful than usual imo. But knowledge is only powerful until everyone knows.
A few years back when pokemon 20th came out I had purchased a collection for A $120 ... It turned out to have near every base set card as well as some neo Genesis and different cards around that era ... And I needed up selling most of them .. I made a good $1000 and now these cards are worth 5 to 10 times what I got it's insane ... I wasn't expecting that for another 5 years at least !? This COVID really made an impact on the market ... And now with this next recession , which seems to happen every 10 years ... Im wondering how it's gonna play a part ? Pokemon is on fire 🔥🔥🔥 ; I definitely agree with the price inadequacies. They jump around and the curve is just insane ... But definitely worth buying at any rate ... Id definitely wait to buy singles for a little while ... And I am uncertain about the production of the full arts and alts , as of right now ... Definitely EBT boxes are a score and Collections off people on the market place
He still has some good points, but from my perspective he missed the collectibility focus of Pokémon over the playability focus of Magic. Set cards aren't rare, and therefore condition becomes more important
There are a lot of unlimited base set cards. but there are a lot of base set card collectors. Pokemon was the bees knees back in school. every person had pokemon cards in 1999/2000 ish and it was a world wide phenomenon. Now tonnes of them are returning to hobby and collecting the sets they grew up with.
This appreciation in pokemon isn’t sudden. But there’s no denying the recent spike. When Rudy originally bought into XY he had the right idea but he tried to dump the XY stock and dismantle the boxes too early. I’ve found 3 years post release is the upturn point usually 2.5-3x returns on modern. Even without the additional spike Evolution boxes were worth double what they were at release. Hell even steam siege booster box is worth double now..
It’s tough to compare Magic vs Pokémon graded singles. Population reports, print quality, supporting culture, and demand are very different for both hobbies.
I think people in the comments are missing the point, Rudy isnt questioning Pokemon Singles as a whole, but the specific way the pricing/value is perceived grade by grade, condition and population. Its true in the sense that why do Pokemon collectors percieve so much value from a psa 9 to a 10? Theres cards out there that are 4-20 times the value from psa 9 to 10 and the only difference is a print line you need the hubble telescope to see or a white dot on a corner of the card smaller then a pin head. Makes 0 sense in that view which I think Rudy is trying to get at and I agree, i can build complete psa 8 or 9 sets for the price of 1 psa 10 card in certain WOTC sets which is mind blowing considering people are willing to pay so much of a premium to not have a white dot on the corner but then not be able to get the complete set? I know what id rather have....
I think Pokemon is much more like season driven which is hard to see from this insane hype. The value of graded pokemon cards don't have anchors and are kinda whatever is thrown at moment things escalate. We still have no data of how sticky new crypto collectors are. They just might lose interest in some point. Personally I have tried to diversify a bit to Pokemon if just train goes on...
I totally get your point! I think the difference is Pokémon broke main stream a long time ago. Ryan Renolds played pikachu not Squee 😂 So because it attracts the game player, the collector, the spectator, Logan Paul, Gary Vee and every other Tom, Dick and Harry, it turns into Baseball cards. And that’s what we are seeing right now. I have multiple sports cards right now that are priced as dumb as a base unlimited Charizard with some edge wear and a Prestine 10. I have Nolan Ryan’s rookie card, Bo Jackson’s, Barry Bonds.. even football like Brett Favre’s rookie card, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana... sounds like I should be a rich! Well the truth is they’re all 99¢ - $20 on eBay or $20-$40 if it’s a PSA 9... and then $1,800 if it’s a PSA 10... huh? The difference between a PSA 9 & 10 is whether or not that PSA employee got Laid last night or had their cup of coffee before work without being late. That’s what determines one of my main streams of income!? I don’t like it lol
So what i have to do, is buy up all Poke’Your’Mom cards, and keep the good ones, and make some decks with the played ones, and then burn the rest, watch the prices go ballistic 🤪❤️
Another video where Rudy was spot on. Vintage Pokemon has collapsed! Soo many cards down 75%+ from highs and continue to fall. Only a few things are actually priced well and have held value since 2020.
Well, they've been doing it for 20 years, re-releasing the same Pokemon cards + 10-15 new generation cards in each set. When they reprint a Magic card, supposedly it damages the value, but just about all Pokemon cards are reprints.
When rudy was in school, he bought up all the # 2 pencils and would sell them at a premium halfway through the the year
That's because in my school they had a high play-rate so when you lose pencil war, you either tried to write with a broken one, or buy a new one. And the winning one would typically have all the lead broken so it would be a pain to sharpen.
Wrong, pencils are useful. Rudy bought out all the Reese's Cups and Mountain Dew Code Reds.
We only needed Pokémon to go up 1000% for him to talk about it
I would be uncomfortable buying magic lol.
@fusian𝗫 i have no idea about magic haha i commented that because i can see how someone who doesn’t know about Pokémon would be uncomfortable buying expensive cards and vice Versa with magic.
Your thoughts on it, Z? All I'm seeing is "it's not as scarce as magic so it shouldn't be as valuable". Scarcity =/= value, though.
Aye you over here to 😂
@@kamb8s all about that demand
Dear Rudy: show us your secret YuGiOh bathroom
One day he just has a video with cases of SD Yugi and Kiba. Just playing it off like he forgot about them lol
Smart play Rudy. Get your minions to buy your graded Magic Cards so you can swap over to graded Pokemon Singles. genius I see thru the mirage xD sorry I shit in your Yugioh bathroom
Those are in the hole in the backyard
Lol
I feel in this video that Rudy underestimates the cultural significance of Pokemon. I know that Magic is the biggest card game in the world, but its spot in pop culture is so tiny compared to Pokemon's, which is the biggest cultural phenomenon of this century. And that point is the reason why Pokemon cards go up in price the way they do, and they will continue to go up. Maybe not tomorrow, but eventually.
Its why it'll be reprinted to death
I was going to add my own comment but you did a great job explaining to Rudy the differences between pokemon and mtg. The ol' hit the nail on the head.
You have to understand he is shilling everything he is holding.
I personally don't feel Pokemon cards will rise to the prices of MTG or other TCGs because the cultural signifigance means that only pop-culture specific cards are going to retain their value.
Charizard/Pikachu will always be valuable - but other than those 2, others wont hold value unless they're specifically rare; like World Champ, which is something you should just assume you won't ever get for investment purposes.
Personnaly, i own old card, 1st edition (Mostly jungle/fossul, very few base set 1st ed). This main issue is value vs real value. On paper i own a fortune, in reality, even tough price is high, selling anything ungraded is almost impossible. It takes forever to sell anything worth something even when graded. For me, and that is my opinion, i'll continue and try to sell what i own, but will not increase my position in any pokemon singles anytime soon.
I didn't know a single kid in the 90's that actually played the Pokemon TCG, we all just collected the cards. They're a lot more like sports cards in that regard, it has more to do with the art and the specific Pokemon than anything else.
The only way i even heard of people playing the tcg was through the pokemon magazine talking about tournaments. One where you could win a merill card. Of course me being from a small town i never knew anywhere that held any tournaments. Of course i was 9 so i was too young to think about that kind of thing.
thats because the card game became popular in 99-2000. Every single toysrus had a league
Yep, also this video has aged terribly lol Rudy is a nice guy but he gets a lot of stuff wrong
I was a 90s kid and a weekly player at my lgs
2nd grade, my aunt bought my cousin and me our first base set booster packs, he pulled a 1st edition electrode and I pulled a first edition Venusaur. My cousin has passed now but I'll forever hold and cherish that moment as 1 of the best.
hahah awesome story
Sorry for your cousin...
Thats wholesome dude, glad you have something to keep hold special of his memory
I found your channel 2 years ago and i didn't play magic, but I've think ive watched nearly every video and I've been taking what I've learned and made a tiny pokemon card business out of my apartment, its not much, but it helps with rent and I've been able to keep some stuff aside for a little bit of growth :)
Oh snap, well done! Keep it up
There is a big difference with Magic, Pokemon is a stronger brand. Top ten of the pop culture.
more less I mean i like the old magic cards BUT i'll never be able to afford em so pokemon it is
The count of what is available for each grade, lots of PSA 7 worth less etc.
Only Top 10? Its the highest selling media franchise in the world?
There's also a big difference between the mechanic of what the games were. Magic the gathering started out as a playing card game and then people started collecting them. Pokémon started out as a playing card game or everyone collected them. Condition was much more scrutinized even back in the base set days because you put it in a sleeve and then into a binder sleeve and everyone wanted to collect them all, just like in the games. Thusly, a lot less kids played the trading card game and more kids collected them just to have. I think a similar thing is true with Yu-Gi-Oh but much less so, since it was targeting an older demographic that would be more into playing a game rather than collecting.
It’s literally the number 1 franchise in the world. It’s past magic big time
Here's the thing, Pokemon cards for me are my childhood and i'll be damned if i'm selling them. I kept them for a reason when I turned into a teenager/young adult. Sure a 5 figure value for cards would be nice but for me nostalgia is priceless. Cash in while you can, by all means but don't regret selling your childhood one day in the future.
Me and my friends are selling all our old cards on ebay like crazy, I didn't care about them for years and still don't today. I have enough stuff from my childhood to keep like all my Nintendo games and such. I'll keep a few pokemon cards I like but 95%+ are being sold. We all die one day so meh the $ we're getting is bat shit crazy.
@@absoluteclownworld Whats been your best sale to date?
@@icarus21 I believe it was one of my base set blastoise, I still have another one. My son has one as well but rough shape, he got it for free from a friend at school. When I sell one or both of my base set charizards that will be my best sale, but I'm going to send them off to PSA first.
Big fan of the Dumpster Fire behind you
Sold my well played unlimited charizard for $800 recently. Solid 6th birthday gift
Congrats I got one from the first pack I ever bought I think I have to keep it forever tho. It is also not the best condition.
@@TriWaZe try to grade it! Worst case bad grade crack it sell as is!
I'v still got my original Charizard from when I was a kid.
Sell it
Same... but it’s condition is that of a child owner
I got 5 dollars
Same, pulled it myself back then. Pretty much mint condition too
I traded mine for a Gameboy color and pokemon yellow. Still don't regret it.
Keep making more Pokémon videos please :)
So this is what the media was warning the public about magic in the early 90s. We could wind up like Rudy. How did we not know?...
Great video Rudy
90's kid here. Can confirm Pokemon cards ruined my life and made me evil. Now I spend my days in walmart with the devil.
A fellow Ragnarok Online lover I see.
End of video: "I think that makes a big..."
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What you say about the comparison between a jungle 1st ed set and an arabian nights set is true because THE PRINT RUN is so different. A rare from AN was printed in 20,000 copies and a rare from jungle? Surely much more
3:35 I was there, Rudy. I was there, 3000 years ago...
Vintage Pokemon never had the refinement and long calculated value of MTG. This sudden spike in interest doesn't have any foundation to get accurate prices. Millennial markets are about the "Get rich quick" instead of real value like what we saw with Crypto and Hertz (Tesla kinda). The current prices are an opportunistic scalp on a not fully understood market. We have the alpha/beta numbers, but I haven't seen anything about how many Base Set 1st edition is out there.
my wrist is so stupid they call it verlisify
Wrong.
Millions is the answer.
LMAOOOOO
The recent spike is not as sudden as it may look like. It was a slow build-up the past couple of years and now with the pandemic and people spending more time at home and shopping online, the return to Pokémon and nostalgia was a natural conclusion. The scarcity of vintage Pokémon is what is giving these high prices over a relatively short amount of time. 90s kids are also just getting into the age and life stability where spending disposable income on cardboard would make more sense than earlier.
Thank you for doing a video on my question Rudy! Honored to be a Patreon. :)
Curious to see your thoughts on this now
I think Rudy has good cause to steer clear of Pokemon singles. Everyone and their dog seems to be getting cards graded! Wasn't the original base set Pokemon print run way higher than MtG Alpha, along with the print runs for that whole era?🤔
Yes base set unlimited was a bigger print run. But the demand is so high that the supply has yet to reach it.
@@zacharylewis417 And yet PSA 9 unlim charis dropped from 7k to 3k
Original set was kinda rare back in the day,unlimited was really printed up to the other sets of the day,but the first,original box wasnt that easy to find,even tho they kinda popped up everywhere at the time...but it was like,ok..my LGS just got the latest magic set and bought 50 boxes,and oh,what is this 4 boxes of ,what is this,..Pokemon?..hmm..curious....but I think I'll just buy a Wyvern pack,and some ice age.......
@@solemnyugiohAnd still its more than 300% up since july. Remember I was going to buy it for $800, but bought something else instead.
Even 1st edition base set pokemon had a much higher print run I think.. anyone has more precise info?
9:58 That makes a big... what? Rudy!? What is the big?! I need to know!
That 10:00 ending tho...
His camera stops then lol
I'm more into Pokemon, and I never played one game of Pokemon. I just like the art. The prices today are wild, I hope they stay, but it had a very dramtic rise.
Lol I like these new endings Rudy dude 😂
My two cent: NOTE: I know nothing about magic but the question i would ask is if the cards that are similar in price for raw vs psa 9 and psa 10 are rare to find because if the card is just a rare card then that is usually when the prices for raw and graded are going to be fairly close BUT if there is a lot of a particular card and few psa 10 or high graded ones then the values would go up exponentially.
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1996 pokemon Japanese singles all the way!
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Rudy. Where is the War of the Spark Mythic Edition display piece you’ve mentioned from the previous video? I don’t see it in the background ):
pokemon as a franchise is on another universe compared to mtg. it is the most successful franchise in the history of the world. (look it up) as of now there are a combined 14,361 psa graded unlimited charizards. lets assume there's 100,000 beat up charizards ungraded under 40 yr old's beds. if they get graded now its 114k spa cards. im willing to bet that the 90's kids are in the millions. not enough Zards to go around. nostalgia is a hell of a drug and pokemon will be here for another 25 years.
Me and a bunch of my friends grabbed all our pokemon cards from our parents houses and now we're going nuts on ebay selling. It's ridiculous how much we're getting for them lmao.
Haha I love how you abruptly end the video
What are your thoughts about the chase cards in current standard boxes in Pokemon tcg? Why do you think that some cards in current standard for pkmn are worth a ton but those few cards are really what makes up the majority ev of a box
Smart play Rudy. Get your minions to buy your graded Magic Cards so you can swap over to graded Pokemon Singles. genius
Rudy - the reason there is such a difference between graded and raw card prices right now is due to the current backlog of PSA. If you go to grade a card right now, it is either $75+ for 1 month service, or $12 for bulk which takes around 8 months. The supply of graded cards does not meet the demand for graded cards currently. 1 year from now, I expect the cost of psa10 cards to come down, and psa 8/9 to go up and meet in the middle to make the nice shaped curve that you indicate you are looking for. Just my 0.02
Did the video cut off mid sentence? Lol
Wizards printing quality for base through fossil was garbage, which may be a reason the psa10 goes for such a premium. Also, general hype for Pokémon has reached a fever pitch with Pokémon Go, Sword and Shield, and huge youtubers getting into it. Pokémon prices reflected the card quantities much better before all this hype hit. I think it’s wise to not spend a lot of money on singles right now; if you want to get into it, wait half a year.
That's something that people miss too! The price increases happened gradually way before the events of September+ happened. Pokémon was hot already in May this year, from a slow build up since May 2019
@@TriWaZe i hope you’re right. People like me who mostly just want to collect the cards are priced out of the market right now. I’m praying for the bubble to burst so I can get back to finishing vintage sets.
4:25 yes there are definitely less... but the demand for those cards is significantly less. I’d be willing to bet a desirable Pokémon card has 10-20 times the demand of the most desirable Magic cards.
Rudy, supply of WOTC era Pokemon is greater, but so is demand. MTG is the most played TCG in the world, but as a brand, it pales next to the casual appeal of Pokemon. Most of the people buying those cards today are just like Mini Taco Rudy: they're mostly collecting, not playing. It's a huge untapped market that Magic can't reach yet.
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I remember my local store had a few binders with singles. One time I was just going in the store and someone bought a Charizard base set in front of me for 2$ and handed it to his seven year old kid.
I really think the pokemon graded card market is fundamentally different from magic for a few reasons. Key reason though is, although the print run was high, the mint condition cards that exist from the original era are much rarer. Kids played with the cards and tore em up. And the number of pokemon fans is larger than magic fans. Also the entire gimmick of pokemon is "gotta catch em all".
In magic the value of the old cards is strictly dependent on the print run and the cards overall desirability, condition isnt a huge factor. In vintage pokemon, condition is everything. Especially since the cards suck in the game today. They're very weak. It's a totally different type of market.
I wonder if rudys opinion has changed 5 months later, especially after all the hype for pokemon and the millions of cards graded, after all this.. the 1st ed base set holo cards have only gone up in population at PSA 10 by 1 or 2 per holo card.
What i find interesting now is that because a PSA 10 is so hard to get now, and majority of the existing 10s are pre serial 3xxx, it means majority of a seal wotc base only get PSA 9s for the holos... So does that decrease sealed box value or mean PSA 10s will only go up.
Seen many open 1st ed boxes and rarely do the holos get 10..
to your point about not liking the curves on alot of cards ,pop reports have a massive effect on pokemon, i mean theres trash holos that command massive and i mean massive premiums in a bgs 9.5 or psa 10.
WOTC era pokemon holographic cards had huge printing issues revolving around centering, print lines, whitening and now warping caused by the foil process. That’s the reason a PSA 10 is so much more expensive than a 9 or an ungraded card. The price has always been significantly higher. That being said, the prices now are ridiculous and likely inflated.
Yes!!! Best comment!!!
Rudy, you need to pay a big streamer to open some old school mtg. Nuff said.
Yep, send one of them a sealed box.
Used to buy clearance or on sale pokemon boxes. Super sad those days are now gone, but my closet is finally worse more than my checking account lol. Took 4 years but I finally won the argument over my gamestop binge.
Magic got me in the 90´s when i saw on tv a warning about the game. I can remember there was a guy like on the news and a picture of a BB unholy strength with the pentagram, it was epic for me! But until this day is the game very expensive for me.
Have you ever considered buying 1st ed cases and boxes of yugioh sets?
I think the big difference in prices between raw and high graded vintage Pokemon cards is due to the fact that those cards are more being collected than being played. If more players play the vintage cards, then the demand for the raw cards would increase and the difference between raw and high graded would decrease. It doesn't help that, unlike the Power 9 of magic, cards like the original Charizard aren't powerful in the tcg game play. I heard the demand for Charizard was due to the fact that Charizard was Ash's most powerful pokemon in its first season anime, so fans of the show gravitated toward it.
That's a really good point! I fully agree that the condition is important for Pokémon where collecting is #1 while playability is Magic's #1. Set cards are also not rare and therefore condition is what people go for with their collecting interest
Charizard wasn't powerful in the game? That Fire Spin tore shit up back in the day...
I like how you slowly get into it, and try not to offend any Timmys out
Thanks for the info Rudy I was wondering why you don’t buy Pokémon singles. It seems like the market is all about the graded 9s or 10s.
@@TriWaZe really maybe I should start selling then.
@fusian𝗫 people buy them in bad condition what set bc I have a ton of shadowless commons uncommons base set ? Should I dump them?
Probably one of my favorite videos you’ve done Rudy! Stay curious my friends! ❤️🙏🏼
I bought up a copy of each of the complete old sets before the gym sets a few years ago just for my own joy / collection purposes. I happy I bought those when I did T-T
Any of the new moves would be now and current on the newer sets. Old school sealed products at the moment should stay sealed and all singles should be held onto. That would keep that value of everything up and will increase the value of the newer cards and that's just my opinion.
who could dislike this man? this man knows what he wants and he's handsome as hell.
@fusian𝗫 nothing gay about that. pound town it is.
I can see what your saying but how many more people collect Pokémon than people who collect magic. I see that a lot more clean Pokémon cards are out there than magic but I can see why the value of pokemon cards are where they are. Like magic there was only so many wotc cards still out there and with the crazy amount of people getting into the hobby now, that’s what everyone wants to own and collect. I think it’s gonna be interesting to see what single cards do and all I can see is then raise in value with all the new collectors.
There's probably a forgotten storage locker full of base pokemon booster boxes. I love pokemon, never played magic much, but I highly doubt there's any forgotten original magic booster pallets anywhere in the world.
Didn't get the answer I expected. My initial thought is that unlike Magic, Pokemon values are based on 2-3 cards per set. In Magic, you may have 15-20 average priced cards, and 3-4 high value cards. So I assumed that the answer would come down to EV for boxes. (Sealed vs. Singles) Just goes to show, you need to listen to the LOGIC in any discussion.
Is that a Shadow Mage comic in the back?
I think you see the range because there is a lot of new money in it which won't touch anything under a PSA 10. They just know that is the best you can get and they bid the prices up on themselves instead of trying to find one raw to grade themselves. They want it already done for them. And if you're willing to spend $5000 on a PSA 10 card you'd rather spend the extra than settle for $1500 for a PSA 9 knowing you could have had a perfect card.
Looked up 1e ed charizard and it appears to swing a high of 7k but is around 500 to 700usd. I think that speaks volumes about how unknown the quanities are actually for these. Sure they will go up in value but how muh are you over paying if you do buy today?
100% valid unless you are not in it for the money.
@fusian𝗫 500ish usd was in a list of a bunch of other prices. The fact it is 1e edition and this cheap is suspect.
@fusian𝗫 ebay listings with titles like and all around 500usd:
1995 Pokemon Base Set Charizard 4/102 Holo, Charizard Holo 4/102 Base Set 1 Unlimited Pokemon Card PL
Charizard Holo 4/102 Base Set 1 Unlimited Pokemon Card PL
Charizard Holo 4/102 ( Pokemon Base Set Unlimited)
@fusian𝗫 it is pricy and cheap either way. Though either way; I dont get nor care for the pokemon mentality. It is like the apple bois. Very irrational.
If box prices continue to climb, why wouldnt singles marginally follow?
Seems like pokemons ceiling is way higher than magic, more interest all around might see the casual collectors jump ship from Magic to Pokemon.
Im just willing to bet there are more people out there that Muk is there favorite Pokemon compared to People that think Ali from Cairo is their favorite Magic character.
Magic sold the collectability of their game awhile ago multiple ways, Magic online set redemptions, relentless reprints, lack of product evolution, etc.
Pokemon is extremely wide and diverse in terms of what you can buy. And I feel like the tunnel vision focus for the entry point of the hobby is completely on base set but there is still so much product prime for the reaping right now before all this demand overflows into the vast array of other categories that exist. You've got your late 90s non-tcg japanese product topsun and carddass. The Japanese vending series. Vintage japanese promos like corocoro, natta wake, trainer magazine, masaki campaign, world collection, just to name a few. And there are a million other japanese exclusive promos even leading up to modern japanese exclusives where prices go from $15 and you can buy them up and wait a year and reap the reward of limited supply matched with the intrinsic demand that comes with some of these modern promo cards. There is so much available to really jump into.
For example I buy up almost every '97 toyota campaign pikachu card I can find that is still affordable because the POP being so low and supply of what is listed being so low for a '97 pokemon promo with pikachu on it; it doesn't make sense that I can buy this card up for less than some modern pikachu promos. But its niche. And I love niche because that just means underpriced in most cases. Because the overflow of collectors who are currently noob and circkejerking over base set is eventually going to lead to attention to collecting other things including niche product. If there are only 8 PSA 10s of a 23 year old pikachu promo with Ken Suigimori's name on it I'm sure I can eventually find more than 8 people who collect pikachu the face of pokemon who might want that card. There are a lot of decisions and movements that are being made in pokemon accross the board where knowledge is even more powerful than usual imo. But knowledge is only powerful until everyone knows.
Finally found Rudy's boundary of cardboard fugazi. Feels good... feels good.
I was thinking along those lines too! Hahaha
I'm a happy ending taco Rudy pokemon
A few years back when pokemon 20th came out I had purchased a collection for A $120 ... It turned out to have near every base set card as well as some neo Genesis and different cards around that era ... And I needed up selling most of them .. I made a good $1000 and now these cards are worth 5 to 10 times what I got it's insane ... I wasn't expecting that for another 5 years at least !? This COVID really made an impact on the market ... And now with this next recession , which seems to happen every 10 years ... Im wondering how it's gonna play a part ? Pokemon is on fire 🔥🔥🔥 ; I definitely agree with the price inadequacies. They jump around and the curve is just insane ... But definitely worth buying at any rate ... Id definitely wait to buy singles for a little while ... And I am uncertain about the production of the full arts and alts , as of right now ... Definitely EBT boxes are a score and Collections off people on the market place
Rudy is a Magic guy. Not a Pokemon guy.
He still has some good points, but from my perspective he missed the collectibility focus of Pokémon over the playability focus of Magic. Set cards aren't rare, and therefore condition becomes more important
@@nirtheart interesting. I'm more into the Pokemon games than the TCH.
There are a lot of unlimited base set cards. but there are a lot of base set card collectors. Pokemon was the bees knees back in school. every person had pokemon cards in 1999/2000 ish and it was a world wide phenomenon. Now tonnes of them are returning to hobby and collecting the sets they grew up with.
Dear Rudy: Why don't you BUY Yu-Gi-Oh Singles!?
@Ramon Lopez look at graded LOB cards.
@Ramon Lopez They have been spiking like crazy.
@Ramon Lopez Old Yugioh cards go up in value only for being old. Unlike Yugioh and Pokemon, Yugioh card get reprinted whenever they get hot.
there only 3 blue's in the world and rudy must have them ALL :>
Because they are trash.
This appreciation in pokemon isn’t sudden. But there’s no denying the recent spike. When Rudy originally bought into XY he had the right idea but he tried to dump the XY stock and dismantle the boxes too early. I’ve found 3 years post release is the upturn point usually 2.5-3x returns on modern. Even without the additional spike Evolution boxes were worth double what they were at release. Hell even steam siege booster box is worth double now..
@fusian𝗫 Same, hard to tell with the re-printing, especially the u-turn on re-printing the ETB’s - hopefully they don’t re-print the pin boxes!
Pokemon collectors are hyped that their collections are worth TONS of money right now.
Spoiler Alert: it's only worth a ton if you sell.
Underrated comment right here
I agree with this, it makes no sense for a PSA 9 to sell for thousands then a NM raw card of the same is like $100
ludicrous prices for psa 10 copy's of pokemon cards are par for the course.
Agree. Graded pokemon cards are in a bubble and it will eventually burst.
It’s tough to compare Magic vs Pokémon graded singles. Population reports, print quality, supporting culture, and demand are very different for both hobbies.
Well said.
666 views. Rudy is evil, confirmed. Lol... Good video, Rudy. Thanks!
so... you are saying played pokemon cards are undervalued, huh?
Yeah! 20 year magic set going for $3000, 20 year Pokémon set going for $30,000.
probably because 2-4 people on the entire planet care about nemesis or some crap set like that and a whole generation cares about base set ;)
People only started caring because a few idiots payed a million dollars for a box lol
@@vampeilo 375k for a first ed box you mean - base unlimited was 10-15k way before all of that happened...do some research ;)
@@StromkirkCurse Nobody was collecting pkmn before this, all cards and booster boxes were worth 5€
@@victorvercetti1498 right, completely forgot about that!
I think people in the comments are missing the point, Rudy isnt questioning Pokemon Singles as a whole, but the specific way the pricing/value is perceived grade by grade, condition and population. Its true in the sense that why do Pokemon collectors percieve so much value from a psa 9 to a 10? Theres cards out there that are 4-20 times the value from psa 9 to 10 and the only difference is a print line you need the hubble telescope to see or a white dot on a corner of the card smaller then a pin head.
Makes 0 sense in that view which I think Rudy is trying to get at and I agree, i can build complete psa 8 or 9 sets for the price of 1 psa 10 card in certain WOTC sets which is mind blowing considering people are willing to pay so much of a premium to not have a white dot on the corner but then not be able to get the complete set? I know what id rather have....
Dramatic end
Rudy show us your pokemon collection plz
I bought my neighbors collection right before this craze happened
Supply means nothing if demand for Pokemon outweighs magic 1000 to 1
Not only does NOT Buy Pokemon Singles... He doesn't offer Refunds on his Floppy Tacos
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Thx for the stock tip
This shit's gonna cool off quicker than after the meteor hit.
I think Pokemon is much more like season driven which is hard to see from this insane hype. The value of graded pokemon cards don't have anchors and are kinda whatever is thrown at moment things escalate. We still have no data of how sticky new crypto collectors are. They just might lose interest in some point.
Personally I have tried to diversify a bit to Pokemon if just train goes on...
you seem to be saying that scarcity = price. which absolutely isn't true haha.
I totally get your point! I think the difference is Pokémon broke main stream a long time ago. Ryan Renolds played pikachu not Squee 😂 So because it attracts the game player, the collector, the spectator, Logan Paul, Gary Vee and every other Tom, Dick and Harry, it turns into Baseball cards. And that’s what we are seeing right now. I have multiple sports cards right now that are priced as dumb as a base unlimited Charizard with some edge wear and a Prestine 10. I have Nolan Ryan’s rookie card, Bo Jackson’s, Barry Bonds.. even football like Brett Favre’s rookie card, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana... sounds like I should be a rich! Well the truth is they’re all 99¢ - $20 on eBay or $20-$40 if it’s a PSA 9... and then $1,800 if it’s a PSA 10... huh? The difference between a PSA 9 & 10 is whether or not that PSA employee got
Laid last night or had their cup of coffee before work without being late. That’s what determines one of my main streams of income!? I don’t like it lol
The unlimited base set has probably has 10x the print run of mtg unlimited
Reword = sell price - buy price. If buy price is this high, with a reduction in risk, then there is no room for profit.
You were playing with "Black magic." I was there. It was the age of the pre-Karens.
you do have a few singles. You have those giant cards in your bathroom remember :p
So what i have to do, is buy up all Poke’Your’Mom cards, and keep the good ones, and make some decks with the played ones, and then burn the rest, watch the prices go ballistic 🤪❤️
I threw mine away like an idiot.
Pokemon got Video games, Movies, New upcoming Movies, Apps, Toys, Cards, Anime. Magic got Magic Cards
Another video where Rudy was spot on. Vintage Pokemon has collapsed! Soo many cards down 75%+ from highs and continue to fall. Only a few things are actually priced well and have held value since 2020.
How long can the gen 1 nostalgia train be milked...
Well, they've been doing it for 20 years, re-releasing the same Pokemon cards + 10-15 new generation cards in each set. When they reprint a Magic card, supposedly it damages the value, but just about all Pokemon cards are reprints.