Last September I sold a PSA 10 Topsun Holo Blastoise for $5,500 after it never moved for 11 months on eBay at the same price. 42 days later the same version of this card sold for $20k at PWCC, and last month the same version of the card went for $9k. Tons of people buying these cards from outside the hobby with little knowledge of these cards.
997 Sugimori Carddass art is the best set ever released. I'm so in love with it and a proud owner of a PSA 10 Charizard I paid less then $400 a few years ago. Got PSA 10 Blastoise and Venusaur too
I agree with this 100% Hidden Fates Shiny Zard is a PERFECT example. Remember the Becket 10 Black Label sold for $10k? And now it’s SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. loooooool!!!
@@shazrx533 one single price or sale does not make a new fair market value, if I find someone who pays me 100k for a psa 10 jungle common it does not mean that every psa 10 jungle common is now 100k, it was just an anomaly to begin with.
@@StromkirkCurse In an opaque market like a PSA 10 Topsun Charizard, one sale absolutely dictates market value. You're trying to compare a PSA 10 Jungle common (a market the size of the Atlantic ocean) to that of a PSA 10 Topsun Charizard (a market with approximately 20 in circulation). The actual definition of market value refers the price achieved between buyer and seller in an auction setting. Given that the Charizard is so rare and so scarce especially in a PSA 10, your only real indication of 'market value' is what someone is prepared to pay. In this case, it was $470k. I mean really; be it $500k or $100, who are you to say as an onlooker what the market value is? It's practically worthless cardboard. It only has value because we've given it some. Now a completely different question - is that market value *now*? Well that's an entirely different story.
@@shazrx533 so you´re saying if a low pop card from whatever set sells for a ridicolous amount (and we know that 500k was ridicolous as previous sales were in the low 5 figures) it´s magically the new market value for the entire pop? I don´t think so. Just because two bidders at the time were in a frenzy and brought the price up doesn´t mean that there is a third bidder waiting to snap one up for the same price. A history of sales data gives an indication of fair market value, not one single sale, even for the lower pop cards.
The sports card market realized soccer cards existed last year. Who would've thought? A rumor spread that Worlds cards in soccer were the ones to grab. Specs rushed to them driving the prices to thousands of dollars to later find out they are far from the first soccer cards. Those cards tanked. All this in a span of 3 months... lol, craziness
@@JohnnyVasquez8 i know the feeling when the media suddenly hypes up the stuff you like and it becomes overpriced for a period of time, just look at the prices of evolutions, base set and other older stuff, thanks to stuff like pawn stars and logan paul raking in tons of views on base set charizards now anything charizard is just automatically quadrupled in price it really sucks cause charizard is cool and now nobody can afford it
This guy is so full of himself. “I know secrets that will change everything everyone knows about Pokemon but I can’t tell you”. Yeah sure you do mate. Keep putting yourself up on the pedestal. I can barely see you from down here
hes top 5 collectors in the world . Hes well renowned and has the biggest cards in the game. He def knows things . When you deal with people in those circles who have thise expensive collections your honna know things the avg collector doesnt know. Thats like anything in life . The elites are the elites
@@rstory2319 nah it’s crap. He doesn’t know anything that will totally change everything we know. There is literally NOTHING he can’t say. Don’t care how many cards he owns or what circles he is in. He’s talking rubbish
Unless I missed it did you mention that a second one was graded by TCA? From what I remember the fact that it was the very first ever PSA 10 no number pop 1 was a big contributing factor on why the first one sold for so much. I am sure the buyer mistakenly thought it was going to stay that way for a while. Regardless a great early card and big picture still one of the most valuable in the hobby. Cheers
1997 cardass Sugimori art work is unreal!! Please do a video, focusing on this set and in particular the checklists, 5000 checklist ever made and could only imagin a limited number left on this planet Cannot go pass each Pokémon art work using their signature moves, takes me back to the anime used on the old Pokémon games! I love your work and what you do for this hobbie ‘Gotta catch em all’ 🙏🏽
Hmm I've been following you for a while and this is quite surprising to hear you talk about something you evidently haven't done much research into... The sale originally went for so high as it was deemed to be the only one of its kind. Weeks after the sale a popular TCG TH-camr called "TCAGaming" had confirmed he has a PSA10 Topsun No Number Charizard returning from PSA, causing there to be 2 now in the market. Naturally that is going to force the original card to lose value - which is why the seller sold so soon after in hopes of not losing so much. I'm confused why you think these TopSun cards originated from an employee taking them out of a manufacturing room?😂Unless that was a joke in which case that went over my head! There's multiple sources that show it was created in 1995 and one large fact you missed out was that there is no Mew in the set as Mew was released in every TCG from that point afterwards. That fact in itself corroborates the fact that TopSun cards were manufactured way before any other TCG. As a fan of your channel please try to avoid hear say videos like this as it's not the reason I watch!
“There’s multiple sources that show it was created in 1995” What are they????? Absence of mew??? That means nothing. To believe Topsun was made first is to believe Topsun was illegally manufacturing cards without licensing far before the gameboy games even came out. Glad this is finally being called out for the BS it is.
I think the fact we don't when the Topsun cards were released sums it up. People don't have a genuine attachment or memory towards these cards. Most people weren't born in Japan to collect them, and of people that were, I would guess that the main TCG was still what a majority of people collected.
This logic isn’t that great. Most people who own trophy cards didn’t have the genuine attachment or memory of playing and winning a tournament...or lived in Japan.... 🤷♂️
@@professoroaksvintagecards4315 Yeah but there are multiple other reasons why those cards are amazing which Topsun cards don't have. And they still have the traditional TCG layout which people know and love. I remember seeing exclusive Japanese cards in magazines as a kid too but never heard about or saw Topsun cards. They just weren't that relevant.
right but people were around in Japan to collect the illustrator that he pushes like nothing else right? dude this is a bunch of bs honestly. Collect what you like, the topsun charizard is unique and a dope card. Show me another card like it other than maybe the red poker set? It is peak original sugimori artwork and those claims are just his subjective opinions.
@@ROTMGmimighster I think whether you like these or not or whether there amazing or not is entirely down to subjectivity. I like that there unique and don’t look like the TCG format and I collect misprints and error cards mainly so the no number copies I’ve owned for years and enjoy collecting them (when they were cheap 😂).
@@thehyperrare303 couldn’t agree more with your comment although he’s 100% correct on them not being the first which is where the BIZARRE auction price came from in the first place! I miss picking up no number cards for £50 back in December haha
Revisiting this one .. the last sale through Heritage Auctions ended at $31,200 .. how much in your opinion - should this card be valued at today in this current market?
Could we get a Komiya binder showcase like you mentioned in one of your previous videos? I'd be really interested in seeing this as well as any other artist binders that are in your collection as it's something a bit different!
Not sure why someone would buy a card after it ran up in price so much then sell it so fast. You'd think someone paying this much would be a long term investor...
As someone whose love of Pokémon came from playing the early games (particularly Yellow) I love the Topsun cards for their simplicity and classic aesthetic. Hopefully the prices don’t climb too high so they’ll remain accessible to people like me.
Hey smpratte, how do you feel about the Bandai Pokémon kids card set? It came out in October 1996 and has original art but no one talks about it (probably since they’re not full size cards). I think they’re pretty cool and under appreciated.
I’ve always been curious because I know Pokemon is very protective of their IP, and you mentioned that Arita can’t even draw anything Pokemon related for family, so how are artists able to draw sketches of pokemon along with their signatures on some cards?
@Obese Venusaur Pokemon company chooses not to acknowledge the quality of a lot of custom card makers because they'd rather those products which in some outclasses pokemon company at their best remain worthless on the secondary resale market.. this card for example gives fans a taste of what e series could be in a modern set www.etsy.com/listing/840259112/crystal-charizard-shiny-holo-rare?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=crystal+charizard&ref=sr_gallery-1-4&organic_search_click=1&frs=1
This same thing happened recently with double ender budget made pokemon red and blue. They were a budget release and someone mentioned the sandshrew on the back artwork was proof it was a first print so people started paying more for them. In reality Nintendo didn’t release their flagship franchise in a budget packaging. It was printed by another facility that messed the back art up. The real first print is the 83% Y fold bottom red and blue. The people that own em and paid a lot for em are sure as shit gonna say they are first till they are blue in the face though.
No rarity cards have a similar issue to Topsun cards. There is a lot of speculation around their origins. We are still waiting for more info to show up for both Topsun and no rarity. Problem is that we may never have all the answers.
I feel bad for people whove bought into the recent overinflation of anything base set, evolutions or charizard cause i think its pretty common knowledge that in about a year the big youtubers like logan paul would've forgotten about this stuff, sword and shield will be old, the hype will die and prices will go back to normal, in 2019 i got a charizard ex box on clearance for £15 and now its £100 plus online, but like most popular stuff it will die back down soon... i hope
The 1995 is a Copyright, did you research that? Copyright is different to patents. For me I can understand the later application for a patent once the product had taken off so strongly. Also did you look into Creatures Inc and GAME FREAK Inc ? Otherwise interesting video 👍👏👏
its a weird argument that because their patent date is after printing doesnt make it real there is plenty of products put out before patent dates the whole patent could of easy been a after thought
Did the American prerelease packs come out before the official release date? JW because i heard topsun was sampled out before official release date. I just think they look way more older than the bandai ones but might just be design as you say. lol not sure why this is so hard to solve
I have also heard rumor in Japan that Topsun was printed in 1995 for future release in 1997. But some cards leaked in 1995. I have no evidence of this though. People need to understand the point of this video is that his specific research pointed more towards Topsun not being first. However, even he acknowledged that we currently don’t have all the answers. We may never know. It is wrong to say with certainty that Topsun was first or that it was not first.
I always thought it was strange that there was a 1995 Pokémon card even tho I remember nothing happened until 1996 lol (also where my fellow notigang at?)
Oh man, we were in dire need of this video on your platform. 😂 Too bad the PSA label will probably always say 1995. People (and PWCC, lol) will always be vague in eBay descriptions & throw around the "proooobably no more 10s! Likely! Like, maybe!" & "First Zard EVER?! Regrade 1994?!", but maybe the next "big" auctions won't have information that misleading anymore.
If you buy a card for 490k, it should be because you are rich and a collector, not because you are trying to make money. I hate that about the card collecting game. It’s not supposed to be, buy pack and maybe make 50k.
The first Pokémon card set released was presumably the 1996 (not the aforementioned 1997) Bandai Carddass non-TCG set that was published in Sept 1996, just a month before the Japanese TCG. Topsun cards were released no sooner than March 1997. Just google for "topsun bandai carddass" and you'll get the full story.
There is no Mew in the TopSun set - there's only 150 Pokemon in the Pokedex. Whereas the Carddass and Bandai cards both include mew, making it 151 Pokemon in the set. That's because TopSun came out a long time before to originally promote Pokemon to their targeted audience and it was only when the directors of the company wanted to mainstream the franchise that they decided they wanted to include one final Pokemon, which was Mew. All three sets are incredible but in order of which came first it goes Topsun, Carddas then Bandai. Hope this helps! :)
Anyone have the Lewis Hamilton #1 Super Short Print Orange 70th Anniversary card? I don't even care that it's like a $5000 card. I just need this card for my Lewis Collection. I've never seen it pulled.
Many people are moving instead hording product nowadays people selling cases of product on Facebook groups. And only listening to the mouth open thumbnails youtubers telling them to the moon
not at all XD only if you started "collecting" or better if I say "investing" 1y ago....so ok in this case you've been totally fucked up, and I totally enjoy this scenario
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Last September I sold a PSA 10 Topsun Holo Blastoise for $5,500 after it never moved for 11 months on eBay at the same price. 42 days later the same version of this card sold for $20k at PWCC, and last month the same version of the card went for $9k. Tons of people buying these cards from outside the hobby with little knowledge of these cards.
Damn shoulda held
I hate PWCC, idk who bids on all their auctions but every auction is literally 10x normal price
997 Sugimori Carddass art is the best set ever released. I'm so in love with it and a proud owner of a PSA 10 Charizard I paid less then $400 a few years ago. Got PSA 10 Blastoise and Venusaur too
can´t lose value that was never there in the first place, as we all know one sale doesn´t equate a new fair market price ;)
What is a fair market price other than a price negotiated between the buyer and seller? Don't get this logic.
I agree with this 100%
Hidden Fates Shiny Zard is a PERFECT example. Remember the Becket 10 Black Label sold for $10k? And now it’s SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. loooooool!!!
@@shazrx533 one single price or sale does not make a new fair market value, if I find someone who pays me 100k for a psa 10 jungle common it does not mean that every psa 10 jungle common is now 100k, it was just an anomaly to begin with.
@@StromkirkCurse In an opaque market like a PSA 10 Topsun Charizard, one sale absolutely dictates market value.
You're trying to compare a PSA 10 Jungle common (a market the size of the Atlantic ocean) to that of a PSA 10 Topsun Charizard (a market with approximately 20 in circulation). The actual definition of market value refers the price achieved between buyer and seller in an auction setting. Given that the Charizard is so rare and so scarce especially in a PSA 10, your only real indication of 'market value' is what someone is prepared to pay. In this case, it was $470k.
I mean really; be it $500k or $100, who are you to say as an onlooker what the market value is? It's practically worthless cardboard. It only has value because we've given it some.
Now a completely different question - is that market value *now*? Well that's an entirely different story.
@@shazrx533 so you´re saying if a low pop card from whatever set sells for a ridicolous amount (and we know that 500k was ridicolous as previous sales were in the low 5 figures) it´s magically the new market value for the entire pop? I don´t think so. Just because two bidders at the time were in a frenzy and brought the price up doesn´t mean that there is a third bidder waiting to snap one up for the same price. A history of sales data gives an indication of fair market value, not one single sale, even for the lower pop cards.
1997 carddass is satisfying to collect, proud to have collected them.
what is carddass?
@@OTHERVERSETCG the cards talked about in this video. its an older japanese set, i think they were made by bandai
The carddass action art is my favorite from that era
@@k2a2l2 bandai makes the best stuff
@Obese Venusaur i thought DBZ card games were dead
Thank you! Always great to hear about what’s real 🙏🏼 I’d love more videos like this from you!
Agreed!
DPM in the house ladies and gentlemen.
I love you Pat❤️
The sports card market realized soccer cards existed last year. Who would've thought? A rumor spread that Worlds cards in soccer were the ones to grab. Specs rushed to them driving the prices to thousands of dollars to later find out they are far from the first soccer cards. Those cards tanked. All this in a span of 3 months... lol, craziness
It’s the worst when so many people rush into a market like that only to ruin it for those who were doing it for fun from the start. 🤷🏾♂️
Sports card community is toxic af
@@JohnnyVasquez8 i know the feeling when the media suddenly hypes up the stuff you like and it becomes overpriced for a period of time, just look at the prices of evolutions, base set and other older stuff, thanks to stuff like pawn stars and logan paul raking in tons of views on base set charizards now anything charizard is just automatically quadrupled in price it really sucks cause charizard is cool and now nobody can afford it
Your videos are the most fun and interesting
Even when I’m not really into Pokémon, your vids still rock
Your name is literally Pokemon, and you have another comment talking about that youre collecting cardass cards. That does not add up.
@@kingbaschdor5649 maybe forgot to switch accounts lol
@@kingbaschdor5649 I’m thinking they’re talking about their ups and downs with interest level.
*wears favorite team’s jersey and watches every game on TV*
Yea I’m not really into football
PSA should've done their research instead of just stamping some year on the cards. Yup should of just stamped "Unverified. "
This guy is so full of himself. “I know secrets that will change everything everyone knows about Pokemon but I can’t tell you”. Yeah sure you do mate. Keep putting yourself up on the pedestal. I can barely see you from down here
hes top 5 collectors in the world . Hes well renowned and has the biggest cards in the game. He def knows things . When you deal with people in those circles who have thise expensive collections your honna know things the avg collector doesnt know. Thats like anything in life . The elites are the elites
@@rstory2319 nah it’s crap. He doesn’t know anything that will totally change everything we know. There is literally NOTHING he can’t say. Don’t care how many cards he owns or what circles he is in. He’s talking rubbish
There’s probably a warehouse full of these cards somewhere that would make them all worthless if sold
Unless I missed it did you mention that a second one was graded by TCA? From what I remember the fact that it was the very first ever PSA 10 no number pop 1 was a big contributing factor on why the first one sold for so much. I am sure the buyer mistakenly thought it was going to stay that way for a while. Regardless a great early card and big picture still one of the most valuable in the hobby. Cheers
Sadly I think your video leaves more questions than answers it gives.
It’s definitely an enigma.
1997 cardass Sugimori art work is unreal!!
Please do a video, focusing on this set and in particular the checklists,
5000 checklist ever made and could only imagin a limited number left on this planet
Cannot go pass each Pokémon art work using their signature moves, takes me back to the anime used on the old Pokémon games!
I love your work and what you do for this hobbie
‘Gotta catch em all’ 🙏🏽
Hmm I've been following you for a while and this is quite surprising to hear you talk about something you evidently haven't done much research into...
The sale originally went for so high as it was deemed to be the only one of its kind. Weeks after the sale a popular TCG TH-camr called "TCAGaming" had confirmed he has a PSA10 Topsun No Number Charizard returning from PSA, causing there to be 2 now in the market. Naturally that is going to force the original card to lose value - which is why the seller sold so soon after in hopes of not losing so much.
I'm confused why you think these TopSun cards originated from an employee taking them out of a manufacturing room?😂Unless that was a joke in which case that went over my head! There's multiple sources that show it was created in 1995 and one large fact you missed out was that there is no Mew in the set as Mew was released in every TCG from that point afterwards. That fact in itself corroborates the fact that TopSun cards were manufactured way before any other TCG.
As a fan of your channel please try to avoid hear say videos like this as it's not the reason I watch!
“There’s multiple sources that show it was created in 1995”
What are they????? Absence of mew??? That means nothing. To believe Topsun was made first is to believe Topsun was illegally manufacturing cards without licensing far before the gameboy games even came out. Glad this is finally being called out for the BS it is.
I think the fact we don't when the Topsun cards were released sums it up. People don't have a genuine attachment or memory towards these cards. Most people weren't born in Japan to collect them, and of people that were, I would guess that the main TCG was still what a majority of people collected.
This logic isn’t that great. Most people who own trophy cards didn’t have the genuine attachment or memory of playing and winning a tournament...or lived in Japan....
🤷♂️
@@professoroaksvintagecards4315 Yeah but there are multiple other reasons why those cards are amazing which Topsun cards don't have. And they still have the traditional TCG layout which people know and love. I remember seeing exclusive Japanese cards in magazines as a kid too but never heard about or saw Topsun cards. They just weren't that relevant.
right but people were around in Japan to collect the illustrator that he pushes like nothing else right? dude this is a bunch of bs honestly. Collect what you like, the topsun charizard is unique and a dope card. Show me another card like it other than maybe the red poker set? It is peak original sugimori artwork and those claims are just his subjective opinions.
@@ROTMGmimighster I think whether you like these or not or whether there amazing or not is entirely down to subjectivity. I like that there unique and don’t look like the TCG format and I collect misprints and error cards mainly so the no number copies I’ve owned for years and enjoy collecting them (when they were cheap 😂).
@@thehyperrare303 couldn’t agree more with your comment although he’s 100% correct on them not being the first which is where the BIZARRE auction price came from in the first place!
I miss picking up no number cards for £50 back in December haha
12:51 I think the person who can blow that much cash doesn’t need sympathy lmao
Hmm can I take a guess and say 95 could of come from when the artist were drawing the cards
Revisiting this one .. the last sale through Heritage Auctions ended at $31,200 .. how much in your opinion - should this card be valued at today in this current market?
Could we get a Komiya binder showcase like you mentioned in one of your previous videos? I'd be really interested in seeing this as well as any other artist binders that are in your collection as it's something a bit different!
Not sure why someone would buy a card after it ran up in price so much then sell it so fast. You'd think someone paying this much would be a long term investor...
Shout of to shizzle me timbers just for getting Scott to say shizzle me timbers haha.
😂😂
As someone whose love of Pokémon came from playing the early games (particularly Yellow) I love the Topsun cards for their simplicity and classic aesthetic. Hopefully the prices don’t climb too high so they’ll remain accessible to people like me.
That was an obscene purchase. Money laundering or stupid speculation. Either way irrelevant
Hey smpratte, how do you feel about the Bandai Pokémon kids card set? It came out in October 1996 and has original art but no one talks about it (probably since they’re not full size cards). I think they’re pretty cool and under appreciated.
🤷♂️ I like Topsun
Many do 🤟
Whatever happened with the 1st edition base charizard you bought? Did you ever regrade it?
@@daniellamb2452 that’s pretty solid
Just a Goat doing goat things. 🕵🏻♂️ how many people dive in this deep? Geez! Thank you big bro!
so what were the first pokemon cards ?
I’ve always been curious because I know Pokemon is very protective of their IP, and you mentioned that Arita can’t even draw anything Pokemon related for family, so how are artists able to draw sketches of pokemon along with their signatures on some cards?
@Obese Venusaur Pokemon company chooses not to acknowledge the quality of a lot of custom card makers because they'd rather those products which in some outclasses pokemon company at their best remain worthless on the secondary resale market.. this card for example gives fans a taste of what e series could be in a modern set www.etsy.com/listing/840259112/crystal-charizard-shiny-holo-rare?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=crystal+charizard&ref=sr_gallery-1-4&organic_search_click=1&frs=1
9:48 - No truer words have been said!
Facts
My first comment and I've watched this channel for almost a year. Thank you for everything.
what is the original reason the topsun card say 1995 on it in the first place? Just the copyright?
Likely the cards where copyrighted in 1995 and trademarked in 97
Great video 😊
is it true there was a confirmed second copy? I thought thats what drove the price down. also love your videos man
Yeah, he's missed a lottt of facts out lol
Topsun Pokemon. Is the best in the world
This same thing happened recently with double ender budget made pokemon red and blue. They were a budget release and someone mentioned the sandshrew on the back artwork was proof it was a first print so people started paying more for them. In reality Nintendo didn’t release their flagship franchise in a budget packaging. It was printed by another facility that messed the back art up. The real first print is the 83% Y fold bottom red and blue.
The people that own em and paid a lot for em are sure as shit gonna say they are first till they are blue in the face though.
nice video but WHAT IS THE 1ST CARD ;0 ??
1996 Carddass Vending Prism Charizard
No rarity Charizard about to reign supreme
No rarity cards have a similar issue to Topsun cards. There is a lot of speculation around their origins. We are still waiting for more info to show up for both Topsun and no rarity. Problem is that we may never have all the answers.
@@rwilly Right on!
Apparently the owner decided to buy it at its height and sell it during a bear market.
I feel bad for people whove bought into the recent overinflation of anything base set, evolutions or charizard cause i think its pretty common knowledge that in about a year the big youtubers like logan paul would've forgotten about this stuff, sword and shield will be old, the hype will die and prices will go back to normal, in 2019 i got a charizard ex box on clearance for £15 and now its £100 plus online, but like most popular stuff it will die back down soon... i hope
What is the first Charizard then??
I think it's the 1996 (not 1997) Bandai Carddass Charizard Prism or the version with the town map on the back from the same series.
1996 Carddass Vending Prism Charizard
Lackadaisical
I learnt a new word today! :)
my step mother is ken kugimori relative and she can indeed verify that topsun no # cards were the 1st created.
Scott do you collect Dragon Ball Super cards? I want to start buying them but am scared because you dont
nobody collects dragon ball super cards kid stop wasting our time
They are crap but being scared coz a youtuber doesn't 🤣 omg what a melt. Collect what u like don't be a sheep 🐑
@@Pompey_blue why are they crap?
The 1995 is a Copyright, did you research that? Copyright is different to patents. For me I can understand the later application for a patent once the product had taken off so strongly.
Also did you look into Creatures Inc and GAME FREAK Inc ? Otherwise interesting video 👍👏👏
The people that have been here know a lot of the prices people were buying for stuff was not right. I hope the people get stuck with this stuff.
It’s an insane price increase in just a year I haven’t made a vintage purchase for a year and a half it’s pretty sad
I still love my topsun cards, but it's good to know shadowless are still the best B)
Very well made video Scott 100% agree!
Why doesn't the Pokemon company issue a official statement regarding this mess? Because that'd be too easy? Is the 1996 Charizard Holo real?
I see you have 6 mario pikachu in the background would you be willing to sell one?
If it has a stamped date on the card that distinctly reads in clear numbers 1995! Than those cards are the official first Pokemon cards.
No, just no. LOL you have no idea bud.
So what you’re saying is we should invest every penny into Collector stamped Charizard’s?
Thanks Scott!
the 1995 and copyright © mark should be enough since in japan its super strict to be fraudulent
Two words: MONEY LAUNDERING
Never clicked on a video so quicly
its a weird argument that because their patent date is after printing doesnt make it real there is plenty of products put out before patent dates the whole patent could of easy been a after thought
Btw niche is pronounced "neesh" not "nitch". Great video though :D
have you heard him pronounce some pokemon names? haha
Americans say nitch. I find it jarring too 😂
@@LiannaLovelle It makes me cringe so bad 😂
@@EastUpperGoonerYour comment makes me cringe so bad 😂
@@MRkriegs Why? lol
Did the American prerelease packs come out before the official release date? JW because i heard topsun was sampled out before official release date. I just think they look way more older than the bandai ones but might just be design as you say. lol not sure why this is so hard to solve
I have also heard rumor in Japan that Topsun was printed in 1995 for future release in 1997. But some cards leaked in 1995. I have no evidence of this though. People need to understand the point of this video is that his specific research pointed more towards Topsun not being first. However, even he acknowledged that we currently don’t have all the answers. We may never know. It is wrong to say with certainty that Topsun was first or that it was not first.
I always thought it was strange that there was a 1995 Pokémon card even tho I remember nothing happened until 1996 lol
(also where my fellow notigang at?)
Oh man, we were in dire need of this video on your platform. 😂 Too bad the PSA label will probably always say 1995.
People (and PWCC, lol) will always be vague in eBay descriptions & throw around the "proooobably no more 10s! Likely! Like, maybe!" & "First Zard EVER?! Regrade 1994?!", but maybe the next "big" auctions won't have information that misleading anymore.
Woah!
Very unique situation!
I been waiting for this one!
Basicly stupid people got money thats why this happend
Thanks good to know.
Stop pumping cardass before i get my set
U sure kinebuchi is dead? I found no reliable source that confirms that...
If he really is, rest in peace, legend!
I was at his funeral
If you buy a card for 490k, it should be because you are rich and a collector, not because you are trying to make money. I hate that about the card collecting game. It’s not supposed to be, buy pack and maybe make 50k.
So the question now lies, what is the first Pokémon TCG set? Carddass? Base Set?
Yes. Most likely either Topsun, Carddass or Base Set.
Carddass
Or Bandai lol
Panic buyers will always lose money
So what would you say the first set was?
The first Pokémon card set released was presumably the 1996 (not the aforementioned 1997) Bandai Carddass non-TCG set that was published in Sept 1996, just a month before the Japanese TCG. Topsun cards were released no sooner than March 1997. Just google for "topsun bandai carddass" and you'll get the full story.
There is no Mew in the TopSun set - there's only 150 Pokemon in the Pokedex. Whereas the Carddass and Bandai cards both include mew, making it 151 Pokemon in the set. That's because TopSun came out a long time before to originally promote Pokemon to their targeted audience and it was only when the directors of the company wanted to mainstream the franchise that they decided they wanted to include one final Pokemon, which was Mew. All three sets are incredible but in order of which came first it goes Topsun, Carddas then Bandai. Hope this helps! :)
Wasn't the first card that Blastoise prototype?
for english, maybe. he's talking about japanese
Japenese was out way before
And there is stl no real proof that Blastoise is what they claim it to be
That isn't even a Pokémon card lol, it was an alleged print test
Anyone have the Lewis Hamilton #1 Super Short Print Orange 70th Anniversary card? I don't even care that it's like a $5000 card. I just need this card for my Lewis Collection. I've never seen it pulled.
The biggest loss in Pokemon history was actually when Logan Paul lost $3MIL+ on a pile of fake 1st edition Pokemon booster boxes. BIG RIP. :L
Many people are moving instead hording product nowadays people selling cases of product on Facebook groups. And only listening to the mouth open thumbnails youtubers telling them to the moon
Base Set Japanese No Rarity is the 1st set then??
1996 Carddass Vending Prism Charizard
@@vincent7690 can you send me a link to that on ebay please.
FWIW, it looks like 1996 Carddass is first by official release date, September '96, one month ahead of the 96 Japanese Base release.
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Why did the person buy it just to re auction it? That’s where they went wrong, they wanted to make a quick buck, and it back fired.
Was the 480k Topsun zard a No number one and the 190k one had the number??? Maybe that's the reason🤔
No. It was literally *the same* card. Same copy.
@@EnlightenedBulbasaur WOW! Thats nuts!!!😳
Its all over for pokemon now
not at all XD only if you started "collecting" or better if I say "investing" 1y ago....so ok in this case you've been totally fucked up, and I totally enjoy this scenario
The end is here
Crazy world 🤔💯👻👻👻