@@cumbob true, the EG33 is capable of making way more power with forced induction than the EZ30/36(since stronger internals are readily available and the cylinder walls are much stronger on the EG); there is an EG33 BRZ that makes 1600hp....... another advantage to the EG series is it shares some parts and DNA with the EJ series
Ground clearance doesn't look to bad. Love the problem solving and thinking out of the box you guys are all about, half the fun of playing with cars. If everyone just did the same thing how boring would life be.
All these twin turbo builds are so awesome guys. From the 86 to the Landcruiser to this, loving each one. It's more the education of how each system is made and the work that goes into each one. God that double dose is just so sick, I'm like 😁 too hearing it. Yes, the microphone DID pick it up Woody. 👍
I've seen people (and know a friend) have success scavenging the oil from a low mount turbo with a power steering pump. Obviously no good unless you have the room, but a reasonably simple solution.
@@andrewstewart1464 Yeah i thought the same thing... mates one was running for a few years, his theory was it was cheap to replace (from a wrecker) if required but never had to.
What about if you use the Mercedes electric power steering, has a big container, not to big and I would say it could be run continuously. I think Project Binky is using one, for the power steering.
@@@PatricioGarcia1973 yes maybe, but the need for constant pump lubrication still stands. The best way I see it is to run it at lower load so that it isn't generating that much heat and friction. The same could be done for a mechanical PS pump by reducing the drive ratio, but that's pricier trial and error with pulleys than varying electric pump load. @Team Axle Stands what pump was used?
@@andrewstewart1464 haha funnily enough it was an "iron lion" in a VL and i think from memory it was the one from the RB30 which was removed from the car
This would be a good use case for those oil-less comp turbos that use helicopter rotor grease or whatever. Would make it a lot simpler, though I'm not sure how good they are with street miles.
@@theskidfactory A company in the states Hellhorseperformance(Dot)com has at least 2 youtubers using his kits on Mustangs one had a bit of a problem as he and or his 2 helpers made an installation error but is now producing big boost, the other is truly enjoying his and obviously they have a boost controller in the car and both are running great. with them being twin the one thing both have said getting the wheels to stop spinning is fun. The turbo's are mounted low on mustangs producing at least 800 bhp I think the other said 1,000 bhp at the wheels and a quick grease gun job and they are off to the drag strip.
Gotta say fellas. Loved your cameo on badobsessionmotorsport project Binky. I nearly spat out my lemon squash when they said "no turbo" good to see other channels supporting each other. But I will be dead before Binky is finished! You know that it'll need more brackets after paint!
Pity it requires engineering in most states and territories. Easy torque and an early stage which with more work can get much higher outputs. Hats off as usual guys.
This twin turbo legacy is fire!!! I’ve always wanted a Legacy Sedan. I really wish subaru would bring back more turbo models. Can’t wait to see this car doing some pulls! The setup looks great!
Love that low mounted turbo. Add custom H6 version of Harrop or Cosworth FA supercharger design, the HP output will be insane. But the exhaust note, sounds like my late father's old Nissan Serena.
Hey Al, speaking of unpopular Subaru engines, have you ever played with the old EA82? I have a Loyale (Leone) that I jammed a TD04 on on low boost. I think I may open up the engine and put a few miles into the ring gap, add a real ecu and turn it up. They have forged rods from the factory (just going off the thick seam line) and a closed deck block. I've also been ice racing it, just zinging it to 7k rpm sliding sideways, zero problems.
Until it blows a head gasket, or cooks the rear right piston, or cracks the head between the valves, or... (yes I've had, and still have, a car with this engine)
They weren't known for there reliability in EFI or Turbo form. The old 50kw carby engines tended to keep going forever but that may be because they had only 50kw.
@@theskidfactory The motor I have has 208k miles and runs like a champ with some basic tuneup stuff. Well, and with a turbo haha. I think I may turn it up and see what happens. Worst case scenario it blows and I go to an ej.
I used to have a 2008 outback, that thing was a rocket even without a turbo! I had always wanted to turbo it, but it ended up drowned in a swamp (true story) so I never got the chance.
Awwww badass!! I was wondering why those exhaust housings were so short in the casting video. Now it all makes sense. Brilliant build slapping em right on there.
Why not use this set up on a same model outback? 40mm extra clearance from factory. stiffer springs and sway bars would help the extra body roll, just a thought
Speaking of Dub-Dub noises- one of my long-time "in my head builds" would be a Soobie Ute/Brumby with a rotary fitted- would be a weapon on hill climbs! ;)
Would love to see you guys do something similar with an EG33. They have nice thick cylinder walls and share component dimensions with the EJ22, so beefier aftermarket components are relatively easy to come across. Rods, pistons, bearings, etc. Bonus points if you get something like this to fit under the native home of the engine without ground clearance issues... ;) Cheers from Canada. Stay safe eh?
I fully agree with Al, the turbo system of the normal Subaru engines is awful, very complex piping with the high mounted turbo. And for turbo respons and efficiency volume in the exhaust manifold is a very critical parameter. Great work!
I suspect that a larger inlet tube than outlet on the sump, connected to a Y that has a larger outlet than inlets, will help with the scavenging. I'm guessing the problem you had was one would flow free and the other will fill up with oil. By creating a restriction on the outlet of the sump and increasing the size of the Y outlet, I think it will cause the pump to pull on both sides more equally.
In my country at least people don't use that engine as much, firstly because they are actually rare here, and secondly because EJs are everywhere, and they probably are a bit more fuel friendly than H6s I'm guessing, but mainly because they are pretty rare here.
@zeroyon223 Yea, on Highway they're usually better, but that can be due to the gearbox. I've never driven a H6, but I'm curious as I'm sure they are very "torquie". In Europe people are always worried about fuel economy, and also We pay a higher tax as the engine gets bigger, and some countries don't even let you change the engine, and when they do, You pay a lot of money just to certify them, so people just stick with the EJ series. And like I said, for some reason Subaru didn't sell Legacys 3.0 or even they're SUVs much in Europe (in some countries yes, but not all of them), so to get an EZ engine is quite hard, and I'm guessing since the EJ engine was available everywhere and the EZ not as much, makes the aftermarket for the EZ series very scarce. Either way, as Al said, if it's not plug 'n play, people usually don't buy them
You guys could talk to Ed from XRT, he tunes all sorts of H6 and has quite the fame on them without any complaints (or Throttlehappy but dunno if he is still around)
All this talk about bash plates but look at all the scuffs on the front bumper..... Hope that bash plate is rock solid 🤣. Maybe put air ride in so when he slows to first gear with the auto for speed bumps it raises by 30mm or so on the front. Easy to do if you got the know how taking a signal from the ECM 1st gear to control the rise in height 😎
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Al stop telling people about the EZ30 being better. Gotta keep those resale's low so i can pick one up for cheaps man.
go eg33 if you can find one lol
but the EJ's are spectacularly crappy...I once ha a manual 2005 3l Liberty, were sold as spec B in sweden. Epic car.
This!
@@wefwefwef. Would you like at this, look at that.
@@cumbob true, the EG33 is capable of making way more power with forced induction than the EZ30/36(since stronger internals are readily available and the cylinder walls are much stronger on the EG); there is an EG33 BRZ that makes 1600hp.......
another advantage to the EG series is it shares some parts and DNA with the EJ series
Al has a Jedi level of sarcasm, it's awesome 👌.
He isn't called Yoda for nothing.
That's right !! Turbo Yoda !!
So dry ,it’s serious. Yoda levels of sarcasm 🙇🏼♂️
Can we please have a 'quick tech' on oil systems for low mount turbos, and also where to run water lines from.
Awww Woody, no spoilers/crap at the end again. Im watching you Mate 🤣🤣🤣
Milling the pistons is old school interesting stuff.
Love how stock it looks up top 👌
Best line “all the turbos” and the grin. Yeh the EZ goes quiet well stock, boxer six gives Porsche noises :)
Turbo Yoda has a smile on his face 😁
Great video as always guys 👊
Ground clearance doesn't look to bad. Love the problem solving and thinking out of the box you guys are all about, half the fun of playing with cars. If everyone just did the same thing how boring would life be.
All these twin turbo builds are so awesome guys. From the 86 to the Landcruiser to this, loving each one. It's more the education of how each system is made and the work that goes into each one. God that double dose is just so sick, I'm like 😁 too hearing it. Yes, the microphone DID pick it up Woody. 👍
Props for Fawlty Tower reference.
That Subaru sounds sick! Love the "stereo" turbo noise!
Sick as in, needs an appointment with an oncologist.
@@myjizzureye It needs a colonoscopy.
Hope you guys are going to Film the Updates
Everybody loves the H6
I've seen people (and know a friend) have success scavenging the oil from a low mount turbo with a power steering pump. Obviously no good unless you have the room, but a reasonably simple solution.
I'd be worried that it would have partial starvation issues.
@@andrewstewart1464 Yeah i thought the same thing... mates one was running for a few years, his theory was it was cheap to replace (from a wrecker) if required but never had to.
What about if you use the Mercedes electric power steering, has a big container, not to big and I would say it could be run continuously. I think Project Binky is using one, for the power steering.
@@@PatricioGarcia1973 yes maybe, but the need for constant pump lubrication still stands. The best way I see it is to run it at lower load so that it isn't generating that much heat and friction. The same could be done for a mechanical PS pump by reducing the drive ratio, but that's pricier trial and error with pulleys than varying electric pump load.
@Team Axle Stands what pump was used?
@@andrewstewart1464 haha funnily enough it was an "iron lion" in a VL and i think from memory it was the one from the RB30 which was removed from the car
I would love that setup on my outback, When you guy get it sorted might need to get the bits to do it to my car :)
I love how quiet it is. That is the only way to go.
See Skid Factory and instant like and watch.
This would be a good use case for those oil-less comp turbos that use helicopter rotor grease or whatever. Would make it a lot simpler, though I'm not sure how good they are with street miles.
Shame it probably doesn't factor into the 'budget' aspect. Have seen those though, cool idea.
Pretty expensive turbos though
Are those turbos still being sold? 😮
I eagerly await the product being proven to work. Google is brutal on it.
@@theskidfactory A company in the states Hellhorseperformance(Dot)com has at least 2 youtubers using his kits on Mustangs one had a bit of a problem as he and or his 2 helpers made an installation error but is now producing big boost, the other is truly enjoying his and obviously they have a boost controller in the car and both are running great. with them being twin the one thing both have said getting the wheels to stop spinning is fun. The turbo's are mounted low on mustangs producing at least 800 bhp I think the other said 1,000 bhp at the wheels and a quick grease gun job and they are off to the drag strip.
I’ve been advocating this build ever since the GT86 came out. Awesome
Gotta say fellas. Loved your cameo on badobsessionmotorsport project Binky. I nearly spat out my lemon squash when they said "no turbo" good to see other channels supporting each other. But I will be dead before Binky is finished! You know that it'll need more brackets after paint!
Thanks guys, quality forward moving show, not like the 30 sec I just wasted skipping through mcm moog stretching out a lot of nothing to 20.16 .
mrrberger you do know they’re all good mates? Pretty sure they don’t give a shit about this comment
To be fair there wasn't a lot to work on compared to Marty's car.
Pity it requires engineering in most states and territories. Easy torque and an early stage which with more work can get much higher outputs. Hats off as usual guys.
It's a simple mod plate here in Qld.
The Skid Factory turbo kits. I love it.
The best show on the WWW! Best regards from Sweden!
That car literally sounds like my Dad sleeping.
Levent Ergün hahaha
You must sleep pretty well listening to turbos all night
@@xtramoist9999 yeah, I was able to compare it while watching this video.
Turbo Daddo
That is as smooth as a turbine with a faint whistle of the turbos!!!
This twin turbo legacy is fire!!! I’ve always wanted a Legacy Sedan. I really wish subaru would bring back more turbo models. Can’t wait to see this car doing some pulls! The setup looks great!
Sounds amazing for a 6cyl
“Flat and dub dubby”.... love the Alanism’s...
12:39-12:46 is the best part.
Love that low mounted turbo. Add custom H6 version of Harrop or Cosworth FA supercharger design, the HP output will be insane.
But the exhaust note, sounds like my late father's old Nissan Serena.
Hey Al, speaking of unpopular Subaru engines, have you ever played with the old EA82? I have a Loyale (Leone) that I jammed a TD04 on on low boost. I think I may open up the engine and put a few miles into the ring gap, add a real ecu and turn it up. They have forged rods from the factory (just going off the thick seam line) and a closed deck block. I've also been ice racing it, just zinging it to 7k rpm sliding sideways, zero problems.
Until it blows a head gasket, or cooks the rear right piston, or cracks the head between the valves, or... (yes I've had, and still have, a car with this engine)
They weren't known for there reliability in EFI or Turbo form. The old 50kw carby engines tended to keep going forever but that may be because they had only 50kw.
@@stevewandel9317 That's on the SPFI EA82? Must not be getting as much fuel to that cylinder or something?
@@theskidfactory The motor I have has 208k miles and runs like a champ with some basic tuneup stuff. Well, and with a turbo haha. I think I may turn it up and see what happens. Worst case scenario it blows and I go to an ej.
And now we have heard turbo echo, mic definitely pick that cool sound
You guys are a wealth of knowledge, I always pick up new information watching your shows. Thanks.
I used to have a 2008 outback, that thing was a rocket even without a turbo! I had always wanted to turbo it, but it ended up drowned in a swamp (true story) so I never got the chance.
Skid Factory EZ30 Twin-Turbo kit - now that sounds nice...
Can barley hear the fuel pumps lolol thanks for the new episode!! Mad liberty!!! And maaad EJ trolling!!!!
This car is awesome, can we see more of it and all the turbo noises! 👍
Al, is that 86 turbo kit still available for sale anywhere? Thanks for doin what you do, guys!
It's just in hiatus due to time constraints.
Sounds amazing through the headphones.
Huh... I watched the vid all the way to the end and now I forgot what I wanted to comment on.
Two H6’s on the internet being built, great👍👍
Simon Aldred what’s the other?
So many whooshes! I love the crossing over sounds
Nice Austin Power's reference!
Getting around the liberty lads! Awesome to see, welcome to the club. Keen to see this other build Al mentioned.
Al must be over your shoulder in the editing room. Twin turbos and no cut to Turbo Yoda. ;)
Awwww badass!! I was wondering why those exhaust housings were so short in the casting video. Now it all makes sense. Brilliant build slapping em right on there.
Gunna go back and watch the Super Gramps build.
Can you show the routing of the piping better please. Love the work. Just wish more was explained. 🙏
Same.
Same
Been telling people for years that the ez platform is superior - glad the boys down under know whats up
Love the sound of that, hearomg the turbos alternate is amazing! Im calling that a Yoda win!
Sounds insane!
Why not use this set up on a same model outback? 40mm extra clearance from factory. stiffer springs and sway bars would help the extra body roll, just a thought
BoogerDownSouth You could do that.
Always watch the whole vid best part is after the patreon credits, keep up the great work.
12:27 the smile of satisfaction😎😎
nice turbo sound
You had me at twins! Lowie twins! Wait... what? Ah hell, another lemon squash please. Keep up the good stuff!
Speaking of Dub-Dub noises- one of my long-time "in my head builds" would be a Soobie Ute/Brumby with a rotary fitted- would be a weapon on hill climbs! ;)
that sounds so awesome
Exhaust sounds like a stock nissan sentra. Needs the Subaru Sound. Plenty of powerful and reliable EJ builds out there.
Having owned an Outback for 7 years, yeah, even the base models should be turboed.
Turbo Yoda makes a cool turbo setup
Woo finally a vid, ive been looking forward to it
Would love to see you guys do something similar with an EG33. They have nice thick cylinder walls and share component dimensions with the EJ22, so beefier aftermarket components are relatively easy to come across. Rods, pistons, bearings, etc.
Bonus points if you get something like this to fit under the native home of the engine without ground clearance issues... ;)
Cheers from Canada. Stay safe eh?
it even makes the gtr doosh doosh sound 😍
warrrrrr tisss... toossss... hishhhh. That's so laid back.
I fully agree with Al, the turbo system of the normal Subaru engines is awful, very complex piping with the high mounted turbo. And for turbo respons and efficiency volume in the exhaust manifold is a very critical parameter. Great work!
What is the UPDATE on this twin turbo EZ30?
I liked this video before it finished
Bravo. Nice build.
I would love to do this to an Outback or Legacy... very cool
From the mind of Turbo Yoda... you knew it was not going to be ordinary LOL!
Cheers from Tokyo!
I suspect that a larger inlet tube than outlet on the sump, connected to a Y that has a larger outlet than inlets, will help with the scavenging. I'm guessing the problem you had was one would flow free and the other will fill up with oil. By creating a restriction on the outlet of the sump and increasing the size of the Y outlet, I think it will cause the pump to pull on both sides more equally.
It's running bitch. I'm sure they worked it out
That thing sounds great!
Kids will never be late for school
Whoopteedoo! What does it all mean, Basil?
Good Stuff fellas
It sounds like an orchestra in that engine bay
In my country at least people don't use that engine as much, firstly because they are actually rare here, and secondly because EJs are everywhere, and they probably are a bit more fuel friendly than H6s I'm guessing, but mainly because they are pretty rare here.
@zeroyon223 Yea, on Highway they're usually better, but that can be due to the gearbox. I've never driven a H6, but I'm curious as I'm sure they are very "torquie". In Europe people are always worried about fuel economy, and also We pay a higher tax as the engine gets bigger, and some countries don't even let you change the engine, and when they do, You pay a lot of money just to certify them, so people just stick with the EJ series. And like I said, for some reason Subaru didn't sell Legacys 3.0 or even they're SUVs much in Europe (in some countries yes, but not all of them), so to get an EZ engine is quite hard, and I'm guessing since the EJ engine was available everywhere and the EZ not as much, makes the aftermarket for the EZ series very scarce. Either way, as Al said, if it's not plug 'n play, people usually don't buy them
I'd say for all this hassle if you weren't doing it for the love of the build process, raptor supercharger kit is the way to go value for money/time.
You really should cover all that with some sort of bash plate
You Da Man Al!!!!
Thanks for the video!!!
you guys are a smart bunch :)
I am going to try this sway
Sounds like 2 snakes having a disagreement
🤣
You guys could talk to Ed from XRT, he tunes all sorts of H6 and has quite the fame on them without any complaints (or Throttlehappy but dunno if he is still around)
Love big family wagons. 🏴😎🏴😎
All this talk about bash plates but look at all the scuffs on the front bumper..... Hope that bash plate is rock solid 🤣. Maybe put air ride in so when he slows to first gear with the auto for speed bumps it raises by 30mm or so on the front. Easy to do if you got the know how taking a signal from the ECM 1st gear to control the rise in height 😎
Now dems some PROPER choo choo noises
You had me at Subaru.
Man I want one.
Just looked on carsales all the manual wagons are high Ks (which you would expect)
woah
that sounds freaky
wonder what it sounds like on the road
oh the sound of 2 bovs, 2 waste gates, 2 turbo's spooling down.
Turrrrbbbo yodaaaa ohhhh hes the turbo yodaaa!
It sounds so good.!! A must listen with good Headphones fyi.! :D
damn i want this in my H6
Woolies would like their basket back!
twin turbo boxer? sounds good :D