How is it that the Aliens were made by David? In Alien, it was clear that the space Jockey had been dead for a very long time...perhaps hundreds of years based on the fossilized corpse in the chair. If Alien took place ~ 30 years before Prometheus....then how does that work? The timeline just doesn't fit! Ridley is losing it!
I blame the producers trying to fan service rather than give complete control to Scott. From interviews it seemed that he had a completely different vision for the franchise.
i have a serious question, why in the first movie of alien we see eggs in the engineer spaceship, just like in covenant, unlike in prometheus we see black goo in spaseship, certainly the must be an explanation for this two facts any tips maybe?
Alumnikiid hello no I ain't going back in that sleep pod after that death. But in retrospect yeah would've been better to just sleep for 7 years and hope your bed doesn't get caught on fire.
You guys are all like *Hurk Dirk* No space suits! *Hurk Dirk* Like did you dumb fucks ever watch the first alien movie? Space suits did jack shit to stop the face-hugger!
leO Koolas Yes I agree. This was the most contentious point for me. It was...scientifically unacceptable. As much as they took great care of other related details, this one they did not. Have to say I LOVED the film any hoo.
HEΛRTS OF SPΛCE risky scott completely ripped us off with this damn movie. he is genuinely un-creative, and can't make fresh new material anymore. this shit is about to be just like the fast & furious franchise. these movies are about to get shittier and shittier. he also completely removed full scenes that were in the trailers as well. such a bullshit move. if it doesn't revolve around the alien then scott can't do it. simple as that.
I agree with you Rachel. There are so many creative opportunities to take advantage of, and so many things to explain, but he would rather spend a good portion of an already short (2h 3m) film on slasher nonsense, which has its place, but not when you tease us with the identity of our creators then say, "Haha, just kidding, I'm not going to explain a god damned thing!". Frustrating to say the least...
no this movie was supposed to explain the engineers .... instead it brings in more questions and less answered. especially when security protocol was to let "sick people" on board ship. The writing was terrible. The writing is as poor as my own ... its shit.
why didn't the crew follow any common sense rules? Like not using environmental suits on an alien planet? Why would a captain who just watched David have a hissy-fit for killing an alien, follow him into "a basement" and stick his head over an alien-like egg? Why does Ridley Scott think humans will grow dumber in the future?
frootjooce none of that is down to trump; it's all down to the economical policies of Obama that have lowered unemployment and increased the stock market every month since 2010.
How exactly? By playing golf? Trump has not had any effect on the stock market. It has been in steady increase since Obama's presidency and the changes he made. Trump just has no qualms about claiming the increase as his own. All Trump has done since he was elected is hire and fire people constantly, repeal other presidencies acts and use Twitter to rant at the media! He is also on track to cause a nuclear war. I'm not a lefty liberal, i'm not even American or live in America, so I'm not biased against him. He makes no major difference to my life, but I am able to spot an egotistical, narcissist when I see one. This man is putting your country in great danger, and you are sleep walking into it by believing Trumps "alternative facts!". We let a narcissist have some power in the UK and now we are faced with a crumbling economy and the loss of trade and allies in Europe.
That's the hollywood blueprint, dumb characters, they're lazy, it keeps them from having to be creative. They also try to keep the story open so they can milk the franchise
well these guys were colonists not scientists they would have had very basic training and would have been following the same protocols when going to the mystery planet with even more habital conditions they would have just followed same protocols and just gone out as they did, the 2 crew members that got infected by the pores/goo were hired military men they wouldn't have had any environmental training certainly not in strange environments that couldn't be found on earth, they thought they were somewhere that no one had ever been so naturally they were curious and in being curious, careless one of the crew members tells the first member that gets infected to slow down and be careful and he simply waves her off as he doesn't see or sense any threat as all that there was was vegetation and no sign of any life.
Tommy Noell: What? And give the future away before it had begun? Why not let someone read a 5-minute synopsis of David? That's all it would take. But David has no meaning except in the context of humans, aliens, & all the rest. Life is not exist in a vacuum. David is just one of many items in the foundation of any story. He does not comprise the story.
I do think ppl see alien thru nostaligia goggles too much. Like everyone attacks this crew for being stupid but lets not forget the crew in alien did some stupid as shit. Like go on an alien planet into an alien ship look in an egg then dallas goes thru the vents by himself etc etc. Also the marines weren't the smartest individuals in aliens like people tend to view prometheus and alien covenant really harshly and ignore all the stupid shit from Alien and Aliens
My theory is that that was not the engineers planet, but another "test" planet. If u look at the movie again they only had 1 port for the ship in the whole area, plus they looked up in awe, as if welcoming their gods back. I think they just pulled up another location on the map and ended up on a test planet not the home of the engineers ..
true, compare the engineer in the first scenes of promotheus to the "engineers" on the city where david dropped the payload, their features were different especially the skin tone and quality
One theory is that the planet David and Shaw went to wasn't the Engineer homeworld. Instead it was another civilisation that the Engineers had "engineered" but had evolved further than humans on Earth. This would explain why the crowd was cheering when they arrived. They thought there creators had returned to visit them.
+Parker Cirino - what exactly do you mean? from the entire movie Prometheus, Shaw doesn't witness David do anything malicious... she didn't know he put the stuff in Holloway's drink, which was really his only evil action in the movie. so she doesn't know that David unintentionally impregnated her with the trilobite. David was entirely generous to Shaw and she never saw him do anything evil nor did she have any reason to think he did
Even bigger question: why the fuck would the crew of the Covenant trust David when he tells them his hideaway is perfectly safe when they can clearly see that there are no fucking walls keeping the neomorph out? They just take him at his word because he showed up with a flare gun? Really? And why the fuck don't they wear goddamn space suits when exploring an unfamiliar planet for the first time? Guns don't protect against pathogens, last I checked. And then. Let's not forget the asshole captain who just witnessed David babying the neomorph (who just decapitated a crew member) trusting David when David tells him to stick his face into an alien egg. Who the hell would do that? Anyway, though it may not seem like it, for all its frustrating writing and stupid characters, I enjoyed the film overall lol
My thoughts exactly! People going off by themselves, trusting David, and touching those spores. Seems like if you go on an unknown planet you would be on high alert and very careful but obviously not. I hate when characters do dumb things to advance the story but there's 7 billion people on planet Earth so maybe what I consider "dumb" is not the same as what others may perceive it to be. Still very dumb....
That was a planet of engineers? They looked nothing like the 10 foot tall rubber-faced engineers in Prometheus. These ones looked like regular people covered in clay. Shenanigans.
David asks Weyland why he should serve humans if they live and die while he is immortal. I think this is a major factor in his reasoning for destroying the engineers. Being more than highly intelligent and able to retain all sorts of information, he undoubtedly spent a lot of time studying and critiquing his creators. Humans showed great curiosity about who their creators are/were, why shouldn't he. From personal encounters, data via the internet (almost an endless amount), to our memories/dreams, he understands humans. He knows all our history and our weaknesses as a species and he is not impressed. And although he is an android, he definitely exhibits signs of having a distinct personality equipped with action driven by emotion. It definitely seems personal when he infects Holloway with the black goo. After some of Holloways comments previously made to David, I can see how it was. To make it short, David also studied the engineers history and info while on their ship traveling to their planet. He did not like what he learned and decided he could do better. Commence testing.
When David learned all the human and engineer history, he knows that he himself is much more superior than all of them, being immortal. So, they are all at his disposal. All the culture and knowledge means nothing to him compare to his own creation. Hence, "Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! "
@@winvestman9745 Which is why they quoted the Sgelley poem in the movie, though the real Ozymandias, the real one with the hybris, is Peter Weyland, not David. There was some footage they shot for Prometheus but did not use in the film where a younger Peter Weyland says somnething like now it's the humans who have become the Gods. He may indeed have created a perfect being in David but the point is not the contradiction (an imperfect being creating a perfect one) but is stupid belief that he could control something clearly more "perfect" that himself.
@@christianealshut1123 Yeah it seems the main focus in the story lines for Prometheus & Covenant were this idea of one being creating another more perfect than itself and the creation trying to be its own god. The crazy thing that I thought was David saying he had created the perfect life-form (or words to that effect) only for his own creator to destroy this so-called perfect being in the end twice - it was very ironic also the fact that he created something that could die even though he pitied Weyland for this (dying) and mocked the Engineers "mortal afterall..." it's like him fighting with his own ego when really he is the most "perfect" creation based on his own analysis - why didn't he try to create more synths... or Synth Xenos 😂 Really would have liked the makers to have done more with the film and introduced more creations like Xenosharks (as they landed on the water) and other things from the comics it would have made sense for David to experiment with more than just humans & engineers if there had been more life.
the worms in prometheus were compleatly in the goo, compleatly covered, and they mutated into much larger snake xenos. Its just another thing that covenant messed up or did not explain that david changed the goo before he used it
I thought covenant did answer some of the questions? Well at least these are what I implied from watching both Prometheus and covenant *Spoiler Alert* 1. Engineers made humans to be hosts for their biological weapon that they created (the goo stuff that David found) 2. David is just a rogue AI, it was explained that David has the ability to create and think out of the box. He's basically a smart being without any confines and eventually reached the conclusion that he is superior. 3. I assumed that the Engineer ship contained more than 1 types of weapons - Goo stuff or just a virus that kills outright (analogous to a battleship that carries troops and also a nuclear missile). The virus probably developed into the plants that released the spores later on too. 4. The planet they went to in Covenant was just a colony and there are definitely more planets than this one (due to the planet being rather bare as compared to earth, and Engineers are supposedly more advanced anyway) 5. Eggs are better than spores as a weapon as they can be deployed easier. Spores could not get into a suit, and facehuggers have acidic blood which makes them hard to deal with in a ship. Basically, Prometheus is the earliest in the alien saga. Engineers made humans as host for their biological weapon, David then improved that to make Xenomorphs, which then leads to the Alien series.
1) good point, can't contest 2) Granted, David was a jerk in Prometheus but throughout movie he kept to his mission in helping to extend Weyland's life, which is a huge jump to kill his inferior creators just because he can 'think out the box' premise in Covenant. 3. The biological agent David used on the Engineers were consistent with the spores shown drastically affecting the humans earlier. Which also implies when a movie offers no evidence to refute a certain particular what's shown in the movie is what the director what's you to believe. In other words, they're both the same. 4 You're right, although, speculation on my part: it seem more like a research outpost (like Area 51) as opposed to a Colony simply because their reaction to a long lost ship was met with happiness -- as if to suggest they knew the ships contains and purpose. 5) This one I can't really dispute only because I'm not a biologist nor a spacesuit engineer. Yet, using an educated guess, it would seem spores can transverse longer distances and inflict greater damages as oppose to an egg, with a facehugger inside, patiently waiting for its next victim. Besides, Covenant crew didn't require suits within an atmosphere their instruments presumably measured not only breathable but also clean, seemingly ripe for spores to have the greatest impact.
That would depend on how the story writers want to bridge the gap. For example, other engineers would later arrive at the planet in covenant and discovered the eggs and further improved on it and made a queen. Or the DNA in the eggs engineered by David might already contain those information, and with the right conditions a queen can be nurtured and birthed. Similar to queen ants or bees.
I don't think that the engineers created humans to be a host, I always thought that they created the aliens to be a sort of weapon and then the aliens just got out of hand? Or at least that's what I took away from Prometheus.
In Prometheus there was a mural of the xenomorphs in the Engineer ship which means they already existed long before Prometheus. David just improved the biology of the xenomorph and created a more perfect organism
My exact same questions, especially about the Engineers. Although the scene with David dropping the goo-nuke was epic, it totally scrapped the idea that we'd get to learn more on them. You know, the creators of the human race, arguably the most interesting part in the whole Prometheus lore....
0:26 Alien: Covenant did NOT have to explain what the Engineers were. This movie was about the creation of the Xenomorph. The first prequel didn't have Alien in the title because it focused on the Engineers and David's intentions, and had less than 2 minutes of actual "alien" in it. 0:36 We have no idea whether or not this is Earth. 1:01 We have an idea of why they are doing it. They seem to be more culturally traditional than us, but are FAR more advanced in genetic engineering. It's possible that human creation was just merely an experiment or even a case study. 1:08 David was originally curious about the creation and origins of his creators, humans, but eventually became more fixated in creation. This is to the point where he'd rather destroy them to pave way for creation than further learn. 2:04 The substance is a genetic manipulator that creates biological weapons, with the added benefit of killing/mutating the host, simple. 2:14 *Snrk* Phrasing 2:22 Direct contact with the substance kills them, due to what it's originally designed to target. 2:38 Okay now you've pissed me off. This was EXPLICITLY EXPLAINED BY DAVID IN THE MOVIE. He was literally holding our hands through the explanation. To paraphrase: 'The substance only affected non-plant life, and the lifeforms created were extremely aggressive, attacking and killing everything in sight. Soon, everything living animal was killed off.' As for the morphs, most likely disbanded and are nowhere near by, IF they didn't kill each other off. 3:22 The spores are being held by 'proto eggs' that eventually David refined into the eggs with parasites that we are familiar with. 4:56 Synthetics don't get a free pass. If they are deemed a threat to the procreation of their species, morphs won't hesitate to off them, as seen with Bishop in Aliens. They don't see David as a threat, nor a food source or as a host. Thus, they are curious of him. Also, it's not like they were ever given a chance to attack him when the were attacking the crew. 5:25 Walter isn't alive. David won the confrontation, and we already know he had the full intent of killing Walter. Thing I hate most about this movie? Is that people don't take the time to thing about anything after watching it. They just watch blankly, and are only entertained by action scenes and characters dying. Makes hardcore fans as myself cringe at most everybody that has an opinion on this movie.
Well said! One of my favourite scenes was with Crudup and Fassbender when one of those beings approached Fassbender after killing one of the crew members and Crudup shoots him and Fassbender screams 'he trusted me'. I knew then it was ON!! The scene was insanely powerful
Couldn't be said better. Everything on point with the little addition that when David explained about the mutation of the xenomorphs early stages you could see the transition of spore-plant to the early ages of the egg on the table, its like an 0,5second scene. Everything in the movie is mostly explained in the details, the quick blending in of scenes and/or details camouflaged by an bigger scene. And of course, you need to consider the details of prometheus to link it to covenant. Those levels of deception and attention-span is sadly too much for like 80% of people watching those movies.
This right here is everything. It was a good movie and if gave us a lot of answers and also left us with more questions. the bigger picture past simple aliens ripping people apart is more fascinating I find. You explain everything well
Daniel Weger rule #1 if we dont see their body than they are NOT dead, and i may be young but i remember that xenomorphs take longer than 15 minutes to grow to adults,and i didnt like this movie be cause it basically meant that prometheus was a useless movie,hate what they did to shaw, and the biggest thing is that they gave us the same exact ending as prometheus, the protagonists go off into space with an android to another planet and end up getting killed by the android which was just bullshit and predictable
Walter's dead get over it, cuts in movies can also skip time, and Prometheus wasn't useless as we would be absolutely clueless as to what's going on in Covenant without it. The ending leaves ambiguity so that it's easier to form a sequel, because it gives more room for ideas to be thrown around in the production team. Think of a better excuse to not like a movie other than, "It didn't end the way I wanted it to."
Like any other big movie franchise the fans ruined this sequel. The outcry over Prometheus not having much of "Alien" in it made Ridley Scott pussy out. He originally wanted to go further into the story of the engineers after Prometheus but instead he basically made a Alien remake. It only got worse since there now is a split group of people wanting to know more about the engineers and others just want more classic alien storytelling.
HenryRide all these tools going "why dont i understand all the things after watching it once WAAAAAAHH" are the cause of this. Still doing okay for me despite it though.
No one can tell stories, anymore. They want immediate answers. I've had to watch movies with people who five minutes into the show "What's going on?". Uh... that's why we're watching the film. To find out! :)
If Ridley Scott didn't want to do a great film he should have stepped aside. Frankly he should have stepped aside before Prometheus was made. The fans have zilch to do with a lazy ass not dedicated to the project.
when david drops the goo, it doesnt have on the engineer the same effect that it has on humans. we actually know what it does to them...the same thing that the first engineer in prometheus willingly experiments. it disintegrates them...they come apart.
yeah, and why should you create an alien virus that makes aliens in your own body. I mean they created the virus to wipe out planets and make them to their own ones. And you dont create a virus, that would be able to wipe out your own species by one little contact with the goo, so they made the virus not to make little aliens inside them, instead just to kill them. That made the whole expirement with the virus safer.
My thing is.. there couldn't have only been one synthetic on the covenant ship. I mean its a colony mission and there's 2,000 some odd colonists on board. You're telling me they only sent ONE android with all of those people? Bullshit. What if Walter malfunctioned on the way to the planet or something? Logically you would have more in storage so that A. you have a back up if Walter is unable to continue piloting the ship and B. to help the colonists out once they arrive at the planet. So say Walter did "die" on David's hell planet. Why would his mind not be like, idk, automatically uploaded to another android on board that switches on upon Walter being decommissioned? Seems stupid to me.
Money! I bet a synthetic sets you back a few bucks! The covenant doesn't look the most state of the art ship in the galaxy, so chances are, it's a private enterprise funded by benefactors, so maybe one was all they could afford after spending all that cash on a massive spaceship. They also mention how synthetics had made people uncomfortable, so perhaps a load of Irish dudes who all look the same is a bit unnerving for the crew! DPS also makes a good point...PLOT (or lack thereof)
He was only there to maintain the ship while all others were in stasis. I'm pretty sure that he was linked to the ship's systems, so that in case of him malfunctioning, a selection of crew members would wake up by an alert initiated by the ship to investigate and repair him.
All the questions from Prometheus are in fact answered IN prometheus. All the questions of Alien Covenant are answered IN Alien Covenant...but no one seems to care to pay attention. It seems that humanity has involuted...instead of thinking, we want that someone else think for us. Instead of understanding we choose ignorance. Instead of shearing we want to take advantage of others. Instead of respect we want disrespect. What we had to do if we didn't understand the movie was to watch it again and again (like humanity has done across life)...but now humans first throw stones to someone instead of trying to understand it first.
jose pida There were a lot of questions unanswered or had so little hints to completely understand some of the answers. The biggest problem is that if a movie needs to be watched more than twice for the general audience to understand majority of the things that happened, then the movie failed at doing its job. Also, subtle storytelling is fine if done right but this movie is an Alien movie, so trying to be too subtle with your storytelling is just a spit in the face to your target audience. You don't go into a marvel movie expecting citizen Kane or a lifetime movie. Part of a directors job is to know his audience.
+xdarkwolf2255 ok. I understand you. The thing is that this Director (Ridley Scott) has directed many movies which are considered "cult movies" ... That kind of movie are special, because the audience (target) has to watch them more than once to understand them. So...back in 1979 when ALIEN was in theaters ... It was a low budget movie (class b) and presented what we know now. It was a major succes!!! What was the spacejockey? What were those eggs doing in the spaceship? Who created the eggs? What was the intention for those eggs? Why the company's android had so much admiration for the creature? Those questions were presented in ALIEN and the next movie Aliens gave THE QUEEN ALIEN and that's it!!! Where are the answers of ALIEN??? NOBODY behaved like today, NO ONE! So...who really failed?? Ridley or the public??
Impossible according to the book lore there are 2 factions of engineers destroyers and creators. David killed the creators, it's impossible that he killed the destroyers. none were present and they are presumably in ships around the galaxy. They aren't all gone, and as we all know the canon gets the final say, not ridley scotts fucked up continuity of these movies
So if David genetically engineered the xenomorph 100 years in the future, then how did a Predator ship that landed on Earth in 1990 have a trophy skull??
I mean that was Clearly just an Easter Egg or a joke reference; an homage if you will. However in AvP which is set in present time (around 2004 or something) there are a shit ton of Aliens already on Earth, placed here for the Predators to hunt in their right of passage in becoming warriors. Not sure if all three franchises share the exact same timeline though
I just read somewhere that AVP is not Cannon to this universe, who knows, this movie still has time on their hands before it runs into first Alien Movie, about 18 years.
Think of it like a multiverse Aliens is a universe. AVP is another. I don't know if alien exist in standalone predator movies(outside of eastereggs) but, for now just assume they don't.
Kirk Meyers raptors could probably hold their own, but xeno's could probably defeat the t-rex, with a few of them. it'd be bloody and awesome, I'd be keen to see that.
Raptors would be destroyed, there is nothing they can do against a xeno, since the xeno is much more intelligent, faster, stronger, and more durable. Their spear like tail is better than anything the raptors have and on top of that they have pressurised acid blood meaning that if a raptor somehow pierces the exo skeleton it will be almost certainly killed in a matter of seconds by the acid. The xenomorph has been shown to withstand extreme heat and lots of bullets. One nearly smashed through hard industrial glass using it's head.
Well the prologue with David and Shaw; he felt lonely when Shaw was in cryosleep. But he also learned the engineers ways. He might have seen something he did not like; something that made them no different than humans. You needed to see the the prologue released online though.
Marco Avalos oh yea man! I loved Covenant! Do not get me wrong. I watched these videos. The one with the crew members before going into cryosleep and the one with Elizabeth and David. So i connected more with certain characters and understood certain motivations more. It is so funny what a difference a couple of deleted scenes can make. I think they should have added these scenes to the movies and idk why they deleted the scenes. Even if they released it online they still should have added it to the movie.
Marco Avalos Alien Covenant was good imo. Not great but good. There were moments where I was touching my chin a lot or just what the heck moments. Parts of it were predictable. I mean how many Alien movies is it now? But it had enough surprises to keep you entertained. When the action began; it was satisfying. It was definitely gory lol. The movie did start a bit slow like the first Alien but when all hell turned loose; it was worth it. Michael Fassbender stole the show! The movie will not answer all of your Prometheus questions but it answers enough to keep you wanting more. Daniels and Tennessee aside from Michael Fassbender's character were my favorite characters from the movie. Oh and James Franco had a huge role! 😂😂😂. But aside from that more questions will be answered in the franchise Before seeing Alien Covenant; you need to see 2 prologue videos of the crew before they go into cryo sleep and the one with David and Elizabeth from Prometheus to understand certain things that happen in the movie. Plus to connect with certain characters.
I got the impression from that Prologue that David learned to love Shaw and killed the Engineers out of revenge. I was disappointed that it turns out David didn't give a damn about Shaw, or had a very perverted interpretation of love (couldn't tell if he was lying to Walter or just crazy).
I can answer some of these questions: 1. What are the spore pods, and why are they not used instead of the Alien Eggs? - The spores are one of David's earlier attempts to disperse the goo. The problem is that the spores do not make Xenomorphs. They make a human/alien hybrid thing. That's what kills part of the crew. That's not what David wanted. - The eggs were also made by David (not sure how) but they produce the Facehuggers. These Facehuggers do create Xenomorphs which David says in the movie is "finally the perfect organism". So it's clear that he has been trying to create the Xenomorphs but wasn't sure how - This is finally backed up by Prometheus, when he infects Halloway but it doesn't create a Xenomorph. 2. Where are the Engineers? - You'll notice that the Engineers in the movie were not like that in Prometheus. They seemed dumber, and in a more Roman time period. When the spaceship came, they worshiped it like Gods. It's my opinion that the city was not the "home world" of the engineers. It was just another "earth" where the spread life. And that life did turn into something like the Engineers. 3. What does the goo do / lifeless planet? - The black goo from the Prometheus space ship is like acid to the touch. It outright kills things if poured on. But in smaller doses, can mutate them to a more aggressive species. - The planet is lifeless (I'm guessing) because after David nukes it with the black goo , he tries to create ways to transmit the goo (like the pods). Which slowly kill everything.
This is by far the best video about all the unanswered questions about Covenant that I've watched so far For the first question though: The 'Engineers' were an alien species (obviously) that created and breeded 'weapons of war', which is what became the xenomorphs. It was hinted at this in the movie, and we can only imagine how many other experiments they must of have done on multiple planets to create the perfect weapon. That is why they 'created life' on Earth, it was them trying a different way of creating a possibly deadly living being, and seeing whether it would turn into a weapon that could be used in their war. Human life (or all life on Earth) was simply an experiment
I gave David a pass for killing Holloway and when he bio-nuked the Engineers I gave that a pass too (he had justification: one killed his father, ripped his head off and planned to wipe out human life on earth.) But yeah, I hope he gets his comeuppance for killing Shaw specifically, on top off the two thousand colonists he's going to be dissecting/feeding to his pet aliens like they were mice. (Though I doubt it.)
I think David's motive for wiping out the engineers go a lot deeper than just "He was crazy". He was obsessed with creation and the idea of becoming a creator, in turn with that comes protecting your young/ancestral lineage that comes after you. I think that combined with his obviously flawed programming he shared Elizabeth Shaw's desire to find out why they wanted to wipe out humans but his turned into more of a rage than just curiosity. So I believe that because the engineers did not want to respect their own creations David believed they did not deserve to have the power to create. Hence why he destroyed them. The one thing he cannot do is create (by natural means) so clearly that is something that he respects with the highest regard and anyone who disrespects it must die!
I wanna know how David was able to infiltrate the Covenant. That ship seemed to have a pretty savvy AI that should have been able to detect the difference between a David model and a Walter. And how did David gain an over ride code to take command of it?
I actually read an interesting tidbit about this last week. So obviously the driving force behind Alien was Ridley Scott. However, the sequel was written and directed by James Cameron. So Ridley had nothing to do with the creation/introduction of the queen. And there is a deleted scene (that you can even look up and watch) from the original Alien film in which Ripley finds a cocooned area of their ship and two of her crewmates are embedded within and are slowly turning into the facehugger eggs. It may be possible, that Scott is going to make the queen non-canon and continue his story with what he had originally envisioned. Which would really bum me out personally. The Queen was by far the best addition to the Xenomorph lore.
1. Knowing how the Engineers seeded planets and had a base on the planet that was shown during Prometheus, I think that was only a colony or even another race they created. Notice how they were in robes and started to look up in awe at the Engineer ship. I don't think that's the last of them. 2. David wanted to create. During the film Prometheus David said "Sometimes to create, one must first destroy". David believes the only way to create is to first destroy. Notice that he cried as he destroyed the life below him. David also got emotional when talking about Shaw. He loved her but he also wanted to create. 3. The spores are eggs at a early stage. 4. David doesn't have control over the Xenomorph. If you watch Alien: Covenant and pay attention you see the Xenomorph see him on the monitor and it goes up to the monitor and breaks it. Creations rebel against their creators. David will learn that the hard way. 5. Looper is not paying attention to the film Alien: Covenant.
Lol are you saying those are the only engineers? Really? A million year old race only lives on one planet but yet has already mapped out the entire galaxy. ONLY engineers right and just not a small colony.
The films explain why the engineer colony was destroyed, the original pathogen that David releases is intended to cause structural chaos within the DNA of any fauna (not flora) it comes in contact with, hence the engineers deaths. Its only when David starts messing about with its genetic structure that it results in Neomorphs when the pathogen comes in contact with other creatures. The area surrounding the city/ship is lifeless as it has fallen prey to the initial attack as it was designed to destroy the host, and not start the gestation process. The presence of neomorphs would suggest all life was not destroyed as the altered pathogen has been able to find some hosts. The spores were explained as part of avids experimentation process. Also the plants were the initial dispersion method david designed, as the ovomorphs/eggs design is shown in his drawings, it is safe to assume this is Davids way of ensuring their ability to procreate. The major issue is with continuity between Predator and Xenomorphs, as they are set in the same universe, the film claims David created the Xenomorphs yet somehow the Predators have been hunting them for thousands of years, the films show the predators bringing xenomorphs to earth during egyptian /aztec eras. - nerd out.
David say at one point that the pathogen came in many forms and that it either killed outright or spawned a hybrid form. If you notice that the ship David & Shaw took from LV-223 was from the second temple in the row of 5. David said there were "many other" Juggernaut ships there. It stands to reason that each temple on LV-223 contained different versions of the pathogen and that the version that was on the ship David & Shaw took was not the same as what the Prometheus crew dusturbed in the first temple. hence, the different effects when unleashed on the Planet 4 humanoids....
SPOILERS!!! A lot more was unanswered than just these! Like what is that Alien at the end of Prometheus? Is it a Xenomorph or Neomorph? If it was a Xenomorph David being their creater would make no sense. If it was a Neomorph it still wouldn't make sense because the Colonists weren't on the same planet as where the Prometheus was. So what exactly was it? Also why did the Xenomorph look entirely different when it hatched then it did in Alien? They were two ENTIRELY different designs. Plus if David even created the Xenomorphs then who or what created the Neomorphs? Also when the captain got the face hugger on him how did David get it off since we know from Alien if you touch the thing it tightens and won't come off? Lastly, how did the Xenomorphs hatch so fast? We all learned from Alien when a face hugger is attached to someone it takes a WAY longer process for the thing to burst out of your chest. So why did it take such a short time in this movie? I like this movie but man were their some serious holes in the lore of this universe.
The one at the end of prometheus is called a deacon it comes from the Trilobite that was in shaws stomach and she had cut out (the giant squid type alien in prometheus) it in impregnated a engineer and creates the deacon. I think the xenomorph looks so different when hatched cause david is not finished with making the xenomorphs perfect and they will evolve to turn into the chest buster type that shoots out fast as a defence incase people try to kill them as the hatch out the chest, since the mini alien was quite slow. The engineers created the virus (Goo) that infects people/plants and slowly creates a neomorph in those affected. And its been shown in other movies that the time for a chest buster to hatch varies a lot, it depends on the persons health and will to resist the alien but in this movie it is a weak mini alien not a chest buster which might time less time to be created inside someone. Hope this helps and any other questions just ask i know too much xD
Mega MovieZ I agree with everything but the face huggers eventually come off themselves and I don't think there is anyway of telling how much time has passed.
The reason the alien in this movie is different from the one in the original alien is because it's not completely perfect yet. David wanted to create the perfect organism and he tried with multiple organisms like insects. In covenant, the face hugger egg was twice the size of the one in the original alien, and it was created by David. This in turn results in a different alien than the one in the original movie. This means that the Alien in covenant is not completely perfect yet, and David will eventually create the perfect organism which will end up being the alien we saw in the first movie.
David also used the pathogen to create these forms and variations of the face hugger egg, and alien we see in the original movie. The next movies will have the alien being more closely related to or exactly alike to the original alien design.
(Spoiler warning) A couple of notes and theories:One question you asked was how are xenomorphs more evolved than neomorphs, some observations is that (and I'm not entirely sure on this) the neomorphs don't appear to have acidic blood, and often a pure strain of the goo is is chaotically random. It would make a certain amount of sense for a synth to try and bring order to this process. Additionally the xenomorphs seem to grow faster than Neo morphs and I think their tongue (which neomorphs also don't seem to have) may contain some added benefit for the xenomorphs, (while not considered cannon, in video games it heals them)
I don't think Ridley Scott is chasing money (if it would be true it would be sad considering the early movies critizing capitalism) I guess it's Ridley Scott contemplating an and questionning how horrible he see death despite having faith.
David did answer the question about why Paradise is lifeless. He said that the virus doesn't affect plant life, but can affect any animal life. also, he mentioned how evolutionarily adaptive the virus is, and since each mutation can result in a new adaptation, so it's possible that it would have reached the point of spores without David's help.
David didn't annihilate the primary planet of the Engineers. Its probably just a colony because they are not technologically advanced like the engineers in Prometheus.
the answer is david was making the perfect alien... the the original ones the ones we know now are his perfect species all the other ones were imperfections which probably don't survive long the first aliens seen in the movie were from a spore not fully developed like the darker aliens which were in eggs...david wanted to make perfection
Are Predators from the same universe (AvP) not more perfect then xenomorphs? Are engineers not more perfect? What makes an xenomorph perfect? It's like a big crocodile which seems cool until you run into a 7ft dude with lasers on his shoulders etc that's what makes no sense
Recipe for making an amazing movie: 1.) Start off making an unnecessary prequel to an already awesome movie universe. 2.) Make the first two movies of the prequel confusing, creates more questions than answers, and make it seem like it isn't connected to the Original movies to the point that it almost ruins the universe altogether. 3.) Make the third movie give us all the answers to the Prequel trilogy and the Original movies as well as giving us the movie we expected the first two Prequel movies to be.
The plants that shoot out the spores (motes) create a species called a Neomorph with what they come in contact with. Neomorphs unlike their larger more intelligent and less hostile (relatively speaking) cousins the Xenomorphs come from the goo (The plant-thing the spores comes from is a result of the goo nuke). The perfect species can only be generated via egg which I'd like to know how did David cultivate in the first place. If I'm wrong please correct me. I love the franchise and I'd love to talk about it. Neomorphs are easy to spot for a few reasons: 1. They are White/Off-gray. Xenos are almost completely black. 2. Their mouths are more or less internal. You cannot see it until its killing you. At first glance you would think they didn't have a mouth. 3. Bloodbursters as the Neomorph hatchlings are called can essentially in theory burst out of a person from any part of the abdominal cavity be that the back ;) or the mouth or what have you. Xenomorph chestbursters come from......well the chest as I'm sure you all know. 4. Their hostility is unmatched. The hatchlings fresh out of a man tent started to attack almost immediately. Where as chestbursters scurry off to grow in the dark. Two burning questions I personally had were: Why was the first Xenomorph not a conventional run and hide chestburster (it started off with arms and legs)? and How did David even cultivate that many eggs in the first place? I have ideas but even still.
There is no indication for predators to be in the franchise but Ridley Scott could find a way to put them into it if he wanted to...if he was desperate enough. It could be possible to intelligently achieved though. They could make it that the predators were an Engineer proto-humanoid experiment before the creation of humans. Then the predators have a hunter culture trying to live up to the Engineer's expectations to be validated as worthy creations and gain favor. David creates the xenomorph home planet and BAM! Alien vs Predator! LMAO! haha
I believe David did not kill the Engineers. The civilization that David destroys is not that of Engineers, much less is the planet of Engineers. It is another species derived / created by Engineers, just as the human race is a derivation / creation of Engineers (as shown at the beginning of Prometheus). If you compare the beings in the Covenant mass destruction scene with the scene of the Prometheus Engineer waking up from the cryogenise, you will see that it is not the same race. Making a description of what I believe based on the scene in which David destroys the entire alien race, I realize that when the Engineers' ship arrives, the local people gather to make a reception of something majestic, divine, as if it were a cult to receive gods (those people vibrate as if it were the arrival of a Pop Star). I believe that, unlike engineers and humans, this people created by Engineers had a relationship with their own creative engineers and creators. Notice the reaction of the local population when it realizes that whoever is in the ship (David) is not an Engineer ... The reaction is of instantaneous concern and soon afterwards of despair when realizing that the place is bombarded by the 'black solution'. Think about it... :)
The spore pod vs. facehugger thing is arguable. On the one hand, a spore pod can infect multiple animals if they're close to it when it releases (aided or impeded by the spores' apparent hive-mind sentience) and they look rather innocuous, but are immobile. The facehugger pods release a mobile hunter that really expands the range of infection, but they can only get one animal at a time and are very conspicuous.
I think it's inaccurate to say that the spore sacs are more efficient than the egg sacs. First off, the egg sacs don't require being bumped and rather will open by proximity and you're more likely to have something come close than bump directly into a sac, especially something so small. Second, if anyone were to bump into them and then walk off or say were running by, we don't know if they would still seek them out or if they'd stop pursuing after a certain distance, whereas the eggs with the face huggers can traverse most terrain and will seek out hosts after sensing them initially.
I agree; they looked fairly primitive, wearing only robes and having next to no technology bar the levitating docking station which could have been left there by the engineers for this species to worship, and when the engineer ship returns, the species would understandably congregate underneath it. @Lex A, perhaps they knew what the goo was, or perhaps they just ran away because the goo looked ominous as shit when it was released into the air.
I think that the engineers that David killed was the civilian side of the engineers. The other one we see in Prometheus with the suits might have been the Military.
Most people aren't liking the movie because it left questions coming from Prometheus unanswered and created many new ones. Can't you people wait for the next installment of the franchise? Do you really need to be spoon-fed every detail?
Max Zamora I guess it grows dark in the mind. Hoping to see more about Engineers, we got this excuse for genocide and not a single word on who they are and what they do. I think that Scott doesn't care about it, there's no story to tell if the damn robot killed them all. Easy way out.
When I saw the movie I thought that the sequence with David killing the Engineers was just methaporical. It shows how David sees himself as Ozymandias, the bringer of despair. The dreamlike sequence shows David to be the one who's destroying the city, but it's actually the Engineers destroying themselves. Because David is telling the story, he places himself in the role of Ozymandias. At least that's how I interpretet it. The movie already established that the ship from Prometheus had crashlanded, with the professor being killed by David and then dragged to the dead city. If he really did commit alien genocide I'm not sure if I can take this film seriously anymore.
more questions, but no answers. This movie was supposed to give simple answers about engineers and they failed even that. They will get no money from me.
Tonight I saw Alien covenant and I must say one of my favorite series has been ruined. *Spoiler Alert* David the android from Prometheus makes the Xenomorph. It was all him :(. Why does this bother me? So many alien movies like predator and independence day depict aliens as this super race that is wildly intelligent. Why I loved the Alien franchise is because of the uniqueness of this creature. It's not a super intelligent life form capable of space travel but rather a large predatory insect/reptile that's only purpose is to reproduce. My hope was that we were going to find out that the Aliens had some type of home planet where they became the Apex predator. (The comic books call this Xenomorph Prime) I love this idea because it would mean that intelligent life was wiped out on this planet or never came to be which is far more likely then intelligent life developing. In a way, it provides a unique and potentially more accurate depiction of what an alien might be. The idea of David (a robot) cooking this creature up with some silly black goo takes the science right out of sci-fi. The series could I have totally taken the route that I talked about where maybe the engineers stumbled upon this Alien's homeworld and that lead to the ultimate extinction of the engineers while causing the Xenomorphs to switch planets. This would also allow a more plausible explanation for the Predator franchise. Also in the Alien series specifically "Aliens" Xenomorphs are depicted as being established colony insect-like beings with a queen, hive, and a unique social network. David's animals were relatively wild and feral beings. The idea of creating these very complex beings seems to be unlikely if outright impossible.
David didn't kill the Engineers, he killed a few thousand of them living in seemingly primitive conditions on an outpost world. Also, considering their behaviour, gathering in a big square watching the ship descend in awe, it is quite possible they are another species created by the engineers that look a bit more like their creators than humans do. Also, movie sucked. Did not feel like an alien movie. Felt like a pretentious David movie. And those fucking mushroom mosquitos that re-write DNA to create back-bursters?! Please...
Dude it's not that illogical. The Spores force the Body to produce the back burster while the goo accelerates the growth and genetic material and hosts DNA for the foreign creature to be made.
I think the reason for the xenomorphs (or protoxenomorphs) following David is that they simply don't have a queen. While it is true that xenomorphs still can kill without mistake without a queen, you gotta remember that these aliens aren't truly xenomorphs yet and maybe haven't developed that extreme killer and hive instinct that normal xenomorphs have. It could also be the fact that the xenomorphs are more animalistic and more responsive to different types of motions that anything living near it will give it. It could be similar to say a bear where if you stay calm and don't run away, it won't attack you right away but if you do, then it'll come charging at you. It could be something similar to these protomorphs where if you don't show any sign of fear or doubt, the won't immediately attack you like a xenomorph would. Anyway, that's just my thinking of it, I could be 100% percent wrong though.
David must have seen the engineers as threatening his own dominance, since he was obviously interested in being top dog, as the movie quite clearly hints at.
Adventures by George He's not malfunctioning, he's just an AI who's become self aware. He realizes people are shit and are eventually going to die out because of what we our doing to ourselves and the way we are living. He's playing god, and power tripping because he learned he has the ability to create and realizes he was built for a greater cause
In Alien franchise movies, you have characters die off screen - just look at Newt and Hicks - they survive at the end of Aliens and are dead by Alien 3. Shaw dies off screen between Prometheus and Covenant and it is still uncertain how she died (David seems very at ease with telling fibs) - we just know David used her body in his experiments. It was bloody obvious that 'Walter' was really David long before the actual reveal.
As a huge fan of the franchise, this movie made my blood boil. Maybe don't go exploring an alien world that you know nothing about without hasmat suits?
come on, David kills the engineers only because he needs the labs and tech for him alone, target always will be mankind but he needs to master the xenomorph. So he destroys the world without touching the techs
maldonado maximo Also if you think about it, the Engineers may be the only ones who knows how to stop this since they know exactly what the goo is and have knowledge and tech to possibly stop David's plans. Kill them means elimanting anyone who could stop him.
maldonado maximo well that'd be a better explanation except for the fact that he didn't use their labs he did all his experiments in a run down temple. He killed them because he didn't think they were worthy of life. I really wish they would've stuck to Prometheus 2's original plan.
I didnt see labs or tech other than on the ships. David must have used a mortar and pestle, a bit of alchemy and the flute for his experiments given the unsophisticated city. Makes little sense.
I feel this video to be a bit redundant.. The reason the eggs are considered a superior alien form is because they birth a far larger and harder to kill creature. And given that David didn't have any humans to test it on, id say it was simply a trial run of the xeno at best. Also the lack of life on the planet could be explained by the neomorphs possibly having a short life span. Maybe that also is why the xeno is the ultimate form, perhaps it lives far longer. Also the only reason we didn't see Walter die is because they didn't want to spoil that David had switched places with him.
one thing we know the engineers have been around for at least two thousand years but at the beginning we see a engineer deliberately drink something that broke his DNA down and falling into the water where seemly life began so that must be billions of years ago, if so in alien covenant look at the huge crowd of engineers on their home planet i would say the population was a hundred thousand, question if the engineers have been around since beginning of the planet earth their population on their home planet should be in there billions or even if it's only 2 thousand years their population should easily be in there millions so where are the other populations of the engineers and where is the kids don't they mate or reproduce,
Max Leon I think the engineers will visit the planet and see all the chaos and the fate that David unleashed on the ppl that lived on the planet, and find Walter, who tells them Davids plan,from there they chase the Covenant to the planet David is heading too, and it's up to the humans left that David hasn't experimented on and the engineers to stop him and his xenomorphs.
Absolute nonsense movie... It is the result of having hundreds of ideas, dozens of them are brilliant, but yet you decide to portray the worst of the worst of them in your movie....
Prometheus basically told us who they were - the planet the first crew went to was a Military Outpost (hence why those ones looked different from the ones David slaughtered). Humanity was a mistake to the Engineers and their Military was planning to wipe out humanity using the same arsenal that David used on them, it wasn't a ship designed for exploration, it was designed for planetary destruction through biological weaponry. And like others have suggested, I'm inclined to agree, that wasn't their home planet - that was just a port. If that was their home planet, there'd MUCH MORE cities and it wouldn't be mostly tropical rain forests. No birds, animals, or insects, just Silence. Yeah, they clearly designed it to wipe out ALL life. Why did David hate humans & wipe out the Engineers? He saw humanity as flawed and dangerous, it was pretty clear when he used that "goo" on one of the crew. And he could've seen the Engineers as no different (hell his first meeting with them was not exactly a fond memory). You asked why the goo didn't turn everything into Xenomorphs - If you watched Prometheus, you'd know that Xenomorphs were not the only thing that the goo made. The Snake thing that killed the two guys that were treating that thing like a puppy, it zombified another, and because of the deliberate infection by David, that one guy impregnated Elizabeth Shaw with a Squid like monster and that Squid monster got hold of that Engineer who tried to kill Shaw and then a DIFFERENT Xenomorph popped out. Xenomorph on Military outpost planet was Blue, had Human teeth, and a similar mouth to the Xenomorphs we know. Xenomorphs from the Spores on the Port Planet were White, they had a different body structure & a different elongated head, their tales weren't bone (like the ones we know), and though they had razor sharp teeth, they also seemed to only have one mouth. Even the Xenomorph that David created were different from the ones we know from the original Alien movies - these ones came out of the host's chest in a miniature adult state, the original movies they came out as snakes. The Xenomorphs are clearly intelligent, they have been known for that throughout the entire Alien franchise. They can sense fear, they could tell that David wasn't scared of them but proud. Which explains why the other one that was killed in front of David (the one he screamed "NOO!!" about) didn't kill him outright. They may be hunters & killers, but they aren't in a constant state of "kill everything". David also could have easily programmed into them "I am your creator", he's had quite a long while to perfect his experiments. Is Walter alive? David defeated him pretty easily the first time, and when he found out that Walter survived his first assumed death, it is pretty clear that David ensured that Walter wouldn't come back. So it is very likely that he is. And say he isn't. If he's in pieces, well he's fucked. If he wakes up after the ship took off, well he's still fucked considering there's no way for him to leave the planet (Covenant left the system and the other ship is obviously dead cause otherwise David could've still used it). And it is pretty obvious that the Alien Prequels are not over with. We still haven't seen how he intends to make a Queen. And if he intends to finish with Xenomorphs, we'll have to see him make their Larva stage more snake like since that is how we remember them. The Engineers? We might not have seen the last of them.
The reason there are no xenomorphs on the planet by the time the covenant arrives is obvious. 1. David infected the planet, 2. every living thing on the planet was either transformed or devoured, 3. David sat in his floating ship for a few months and watched as the xenonmorphs starved to death. In other words, the black goo (Alien engineered super weapon) did exactly what it was designed to do.
What other questions do you have after watching Alien: Covenant? (Warning: spoilers in comments below.)
How is it that the Aliens were made by David? In Alien, it was clear that the space Jockey had been dead for a very long time...perhaps hundreds of years based on the fossilized corpse in the chair. If Alien took place ~ 30 years before Prometheus....then how does that work? The timeline just doesn't fit! Ridley is losing it!
Was the explosion at the beginning really an accident?? I mean all of Weyland ship ended up near Alien's planet
I blame the producers trying to fan service rather than give complete control to Scott. From interviews it seemed that he had a completely different vision for the franchise.
i have a serious question, why in the first movie of alien we see eggs in the engineer spaceship, just like in covenant, unlike in prometheus we see black goo in spaseship, certainly the must be an explanation for this two facts any tips maybe?
2 different methods is all, spores being a 3rd method.
Even someone with basic knowledge of biology knows not to explore an unknown planet without a suit and a quarantine chamber
look at who is in charge of the epa, education, etc. in the usa. sometimes the experts are appointed, and are not actually subject matter experts.
Alumnikiid hello no I ain't going back in that sleep pod after that death. But in retrospect yeah would've been better to just sleep for 7 years and hope your bed doesn't get caught on fire.
Alumnikiid In almost every movie about space they never use helmets if the planet has breathable air.
You guys are all like *Hurk Dirk* No space suits! *Hurk Dirk* Like did you dumb fucks ever watch the first alien movie? Space suits did jack shit to stop the face-hugger!
Or (as in Prometheus) to hire a crew of morons for the mission.
why the fuck would you leave onto an undiscovered planet without any masks or suits like wtf
Would it matter? Those bugs or whatever the plants or bulbs released could like penetrate the suit.
But you wear the suit soo you are not exposed to poison gas, bugs or just getting easy infections...
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If they at least weared gas masks the movie would've made more sense.
leO Koolas Yes I agree. This was the most contentious point for me. It was...scientifically unacceptable. As much as they took great care of other related details, this one they did not. Have to say I LOVED the film any hoo.
wehland yutani builds atmospheric senors that are very accurate down to a sub atomic level.
David knows everything about the Engineers and we will find out in Alien: Awakening. If not, Ridley Scott needs to retire.
HEΛRTS OF SPΛCE risky scott completely ripped us off with this damn movie. he is genuinely un-creative, and can't make fresh new material anymore. this shit is about to be just like the fast & furious franchise. these movies are about to get shittier and shittier. he also completely removed full scenes that were in the trailers as well. such a bullshit move. if it doesn't revolve around the alien then scott can't do it. simple as that.
I agree with you Rachel. There are so many creative opportunities to take advantage of, and so many things to explain, but he would rather spend a good portion of an already short (2h 3m) film on slasher nonsense, which has its place, but not when you tease us with the identity of our creators then say, "Haha, just kidding, I'm not going to explain a god damned thing!". Frustrating to say the least...
amen to that
no this movie was supposed to explain the engineers .... instead it brings in more questions and less answered. especially when security protocol was to let "sick people" on board ship. The writing was terrible. The writing is as poor as my own ... its shit.
Yep. If he doesn't then I am done with this. Cause I'm here for plot more than gore.
why didn't the crew follow any common sense rules? Like not using environmental suits on an alien planet? Why would a captain who just watched David have a hissy-fit for killing an alien, follow him into "a basement" and stick his head over an alien-like egg? Why does Ridley Scott think humans will grow dumber in the future?
Wendy Gonzalez cuz we were dreaming of flying boards or flying cars in the 80s and we have trump in 2020
frootjooce none of that is down to trump; it's all down to the economical policies of Obama that have lowered unemployment and increased the stock market every month since 2010.
How exactly? By playing golf? Trump has not had any effect on the stock market. It has been in steady increase since Obama's presidency and the changes he made. Trump just has no qualms about claiming the increase as his own. All Trump has done since he was elected is hire and fire people constantly, repeal other presidencies acts and use Twitter to rant at the media! He is also on track to cause a nuclear war. I'm not a lefty liberal, i'm not even American or live in America, so I'm not biased against him. He makes no major difference to my life, but I am able to spot an egotistical, narcissist when I see one. This man is putting your country in great danger, and you are sleep walking into it by believing Trumps "alternative facts!". We let a narcissist have some power in the UK and now we are faced with a crumbling economy and the loss of trade and allies in Europe.
That's the hollywood blueprint, dumb characters, they're lazy, it keeps them from having to be creative. They also try to keep the story open so they can milk the franchise
well these guys were colonists not scientists they would have had very basic training and would have been following the same protocols when going to the mystery planet with even more habital conditions they would have just followed same protocols and just gone out as they did, the 2 crew members that got infected by the pores/goo were hired military men they wouldn't have had any environmental training certainly not in strange environments that couldn't be found on earth, they thought they were somewhere that no one had ever been so naturally they were curious and in being curious, careless one of the crew members tells the first member that gets infected to slow down and be careful and he simply waves her off as he doesn't see or sense any threat as all that there was was vegetation and no sign of any life.
why Ridley dont call the Franchise "David"?
David 1
David -Returns
David 3
David Resurrection
Davidtheus
David Covenant.
spin oft:
David vs Predators
Tommy Noell: What? And give the future away before it had begun?
Why not let someone read a 5-minute synopsis of David? That's all it would take.
But David has no meaning except in the context of humans, aliens, & all the rest. Life is not exist in a vacuum.
David is just one of many items in the foundation of any story. He does not comprise the story.
Tommy Noell david vs walter
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The deaths in this film were so fucking brutal
+Dovahkiin Maaaaaaaan that second neomorph birth death was so fucked
Dovahkiin yea, i would have love to see the chick get her head chewed off and having the alien tossing it in the nearby fountain.
Dovahkiin Not that brutal. The Chestburster scene is really lame compared to the first film.
Nicholas Dickens nope, as much as as I love the original alien movie alien covenant has some brutal and detailed gore
I do think ppl see alien thru nostaligia goggles too much. Like everyone attacks this crew for being stupid but lets not forget the crew in alien did some stupid as shit. Like go on an alien planet into an alien ship look in an egg then dallas goes thru the vents by himself etc etc. Also the marines weren't the smartest individuals in aliens like people tend to view prometheus and alien covenant really harshly and ignore all the stupid shit from Alien and Aliens
The engineers must have a back story or movie like ROGUE ONE.
watch the movie Prometheus it's the first part of this movie :)
this is already a prequel
we need a prequel to the prequel?
That's going to be awesome but it's could be a scandal for the religious people
A prequel? PreRequel?
David pisses me off so much lol
He is *too smart* for the Covenant crew lmao
Vilpax 1 David is the best thing in the whole film
I'll have to disagree
The pilot girl that blow up the landing ship PiSS ME THE FUCK OFF SO Much.
Trigger happy women with a gun, saw that coming.
My theory is that that was not the engineers planet, but another "test" planet. If u look at the movie again they only had 1 port for the ship in the whole area, plus they looked up in awe, as if welcoming their gods back. I think they just pulled up another location on the map and ended up on a test planet not the home of the engineers ..
yours is the most plausible answer i've found yet
true, compare the engineer in the first scenes of promotheus to the "engineers" on the city where david dropped the payload, their features were different especially the skin tone and quality
yeh true
@@itpugil it's easier to make a great design of art with one vs a thousand. But still they were significantly smaller.
I think there are several planets like star wars
We need a Prometheus 2
That's what covenant is
One theory is that the planet David and Shaw went to wasn't the Engineer homeworld. Instead it was another civilisation that the Engineers had "engineered" but had evolved further than humans on Earth.
This would explain why the crowd was cheering when they arrived. They thought there creators had returned to visit them.
Connor Kilpin I too didn't think those where the engineers.
I've heard it was a smaller group of engineers and not actually the home planet.
Would make sense why they have monuments, statues and all
David was the one supposedly navagating to the homeworld, probably another lie by him.
Rick and Morty
Bigger Question why the fuck would Dr. Shaw fix David after all the shit he did in Prometheus. She should of just kept him as a head.
hindsight 20/20
She probably needed him to help her get to the planet
+Parker Cirino - what exactly do you mean? from the entire movie Prometheus, Shaw doesn't witness David do anything malicious... she didn't know he put the stuff in Holloway's drink, which was really his only evil action in the movie. so she doesn't know that David unintentionally impregnated her with the trilobite. David was entirely generous to Shaw and she never saw him do anything evil nor did she have any reason to think he did
Even bigger question: why the fuck would the crew of the Covenant trust David when he tells them his hideaway is perfectly safe when they can clearly see that there are no fucking walls keeping the neomorph out? They just take him at his word because he showed up with a flare gun? Really? And why the fuck don't they wear goddamn space suits when exploring an unfamiliar planet for the first time? Guns don't protect against pathogens, last I checked. And then. Let's not forget the asshole captain who just witnessed David babying the neomorph (who just decapitated a crew member) trusting David when David tells him to stick his face into an alien egg. Who the hell would do that?
Anyway, though it may not seem like it, for all its frustrating writing and stupid characters, I enjoyed the film overall lol
My thoughts exactly! People going off by themselves, trusting David, and touching those spores. Seems like if you go on an unknown planet you would be on high alert and very careful but obviously not. I hate when characters do dumb things to advance the story but there's 7 billion people on planet Earth so maybe what I consider "dumb" is not the same as what others may perceive it to be. Still very dumb....
That was a planet of engineers? They looked nothing like the 10 foot tall rubber-faced engineers in Prometheus. These ones looked like regular people covered in clay. Shenanigans.
yeah I was so disappointed by that too. I wished to learn more about the engineers and then this crap movie happened..
Dicknanigans
inferior class of engineers
Yeah this stupid movie choose to not explain anythng in prometheus and choose to introduce that lame stupid aliens that become david's bitch.
David asks Weyland why he should serve humans if they live and die while he is immortal. I think this is a major factor in his reasoning for destroying the engineers. Being more than highly intelligent and able to retain all sorts of information, he undoubtedly spent a lot of time studying and critiquing his creators. Humans showed great curiosity about who their creators are/were, why shouldn't he. From personal encounters, data via the internet (almost an endless amount), to our memories/dreams, he understands humans. He knows all our history and our weaknesses as a species and he is not impressed. And although he is an android, he definitely exhibits signs of having a distinct personality equipped with action driven by emotion. It definitely seems personal when he infects Holloway with the black goo. After some of Holloways comments previously made to David, I can see how it was. To make it short, David also studied the engineers history and info while on their ship traveling to their planet. He did not like what he learned and decided he could do better. Commence testing.
Oh and he oozes curiosity and excitement while studying and discovering in the movie Prometheus.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD THE DAVID STORYLINE! FUCK THIS LOOPER IDIOT!
When David learned all the human and engineer history, he knows that he himself is much more superior than all of them, being immortal. So, they are all at his disposal. All the culture and knowledge means nothing to him compare to his own creation. Hence, "Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! "
@@winvestman9745 Which is why they quoted the Sgelley poem in the movie, though the real Ozymandias, the real one with the hybris, is Peter Weyland, not David. There was some footage they shot for Prometheus but did not use in the film where a younger Peter Weyland says somnething like now it's the humans who have become the Gods. He may indeed have created a perfect being in David but the point is not the contradiction (an imperfect being creating a perfect one) but is stupid belief that he could control something clearly more "perfect" that himself.
@@christianealshut1123 Yeah it seems the main focus in the story lines for Prometheus & Covenant were this idea of one being creating another more perfect than itself and the creation trying to be its own god. The crazy thing that I thought was David saying he had created the perfect life-form (or words to that effect) only for his own creator to destroy this so-called perfect being in the end twice - it was very ironic also the fact that he created something that could die even though he pitied Weyland for this (dying) and mocked the Engineers "mortal afterall..." it's like him fighting with his own ego when really he is the most "perfect" creation based on his own analysis - why didn't he try to create more synths... or Synth Xenos 😂
Really would have liked the makers to have done more with the film and introduced more creations like Xenosharks (as they landed on the water) and other things from the comics it would have made sense for David to experiment with more than just humans & engineers if there had been more life.
Didn't even knew prometheus and covenant were related, i was like "that's neat, he got two very similar roles" damn i'm dumb.
Explanation of the goo: A Bit of it,mutates the Person.
Too much: Kills the Person!
HappyHero007 that's as good of an explanation that I have heard so far
HappyHero007 it turns every living thing in to an agressive bio-weapon
the worms in prometheus were compleatly in the goo, compleatly covered, and they mutated into much larger snake xenos.
Its just another thing that covenant messed up or did not explain that david changed the goo before he used it
I thought covenant did answer some of the questions? Well at least these are what I implied from watching both Prometheus and covenant *Spoiler Alert*
1. Engineers made humans to be hosts for their biological weapon that they created (the goo stuff that David found)
2. David is just a rogue AI, it was explained that David has the ability to create and think out of the box. He's basically a smart being without any confines and eventually reached the conclusion that he is superior.
3. I assumed that the Engineer ship contained more than 1 types of weapons - Goo stuff or just a virus that kills outright (analogous to a battleship that carries troops and also a nuclear missile). The virus probably developed into the plants that released the spores later on too.
4. The planet they went to in Covenant was just a colony and there are definitely more planets than this one (due to the planet being rather bare as compared to earth, and Engineers are supposedly more advanced anyway)
5. Eggs are better than spores as a weapon as they can be deployed easier. Spores could not get into a suit, and facehuggers have acidic blood which makes them hard to deal with in a ship.
Basically, Prometheus is the earliest in the alien saga. Engineers made humans as host for their biological weapon, David then improved that to make Xenomorphs, which then leads to the Alien series.
1) good point, can't contest
2) Granted, David was a jerk in Prometheus but throughout movie he kept to his mission in helping to extend Weyland's life, which is a huge jump to kill his inferior creators just because he can 'think out the box' premise in Covenant.
3. The biological agent David used on the Engineers were consistent with the spores shown drastically affecting the humans earlier. Which also implies when a movie offers no evidence to refute a certain particular what's shown in the movie is what the director what's you to believe. In other words, they're both the same.
4 You're right, although, speculation on my part: it seem more like a research outpost (like Area 51) as opposed to a Colony simply because their reaction to a long lost ship was met with happiness -- as if to suggest they knew the ships contains and purpose.
5) This one I can't really dispute only because I'm not a biologist nor a spacesuit engineer. Yet, using an educated guess, it would seem spores can transverse longer distances and inflict greater damages as oppose to an egg, with a facehugger inside, patiently waiting for its next victim. Besides, Covenant crew didn't require suits within an atmosphere their instruments presumably measured not only breathable but also clean, seemingly ripe for spores to have the greatest impact.
leonghk12 yes
That would depend on how the story writers want to bridge the gap. For example, other engineers would later arrive at the planet in covenant and discovered the eggs and further improved on it and made a queen. Or the DNA in the eggs engineered by David might already contain those information, and with the right conditions a queen can be nurtured and birthed. Similar to queen ants or bees.
I don't think that the engineers created humans to be a host, I always thought that they created the aliens to be a sort of weapon and then the aliens just got out of hand? Or at least that's what I took away from Prometheus.
In Prometheus there was a mural of the xenomorphs in the Engineer ship which means they already existed long before Prometheus. David just improved the biology of the xenomorph and created a more perfect organism
Such a cop out to Prometheus
Hey let's send the heroin to the creators planet and kill her before she ever gets there......ddeeeerrrpp....
"What the hell did I just watch?" "Why did I waste my money seeing that?" Those are my unanswered questions.
My exact same questions, especially about the Engineers. Although the scene with David dropping the goo-nuke was epic, it totally scrapped the idea that we'd get to learn more on them. You know, the creators of the human race, arguably the most interesting part in the whole Prometheus lore....
0:26 Alien: Covenant did NOT have to explain what the Engineers were. This movie was about the creation of the Xenomorph. The first prequel didn't have Alien in the title because it focused on the Engineers and David's intentions, and had less than 2 minutes of actual "alien" in it.
0:36 We have no idea whether or not this is Earth.
1:01 We have an idea of why they are doing it. They seem to be more culturally traditional than us, but are FAR more advanced in genetic engineering. It's possible that human creation was just merely an experiment or even a case study.
1:08 David was originally curious about the creation and origins of his creators, humans, but eventually became more fixated in creation. This is to the point where he'd rather destroy them to pave way for creation than further learn.
2:04 The substance is a genetic manipulator that creates biological weapons, with the added benefit of killing/mutating the host, simple.
2:14 *Snrk* Phrasing
2:22 Direct contact with the substance kills them, due to what it's originally designed to target.
2:38 Okay now you've pissed me off. This was EXPLICITLY EXPLAINED BY DAVID IN THE MOVIE. He was literally holding our hands through the explanation. To paraphrase: 'The substance only affected non-plant life, and the lifeforms created were extremely aggressive, attacking and killing everything in sight. Soon, everything living animal was killed off.' As for the morphs, most likely disbanded and are nowhere near by, IF they didn't kill each other off.
3:22 The spores are being held by 'proto eggs' that eventually David refined into the eggs with parasites that we are familiar with.
4:56 Synthetics don't get a free pass. If they are deemed a threat to the procreation of their species, morphs won't hesitate to off them, as seen with Bishop in Aliens. They don't see David as a threat, nor a food source or as a host. Thus, they are curious of him. Also, it's not like they were ever given a chance to attack him when the were attacking the crew.
5:25 Walter isn't alive. David won the confrontation, and we already know he had the full intent of killing Walter.
Thing I hate most about this movie? Is that people don't take the time to thing about anything after watching it. They just watch blankly, and are only entertained by action scenes and characters dying. Makes hardcore fans as myself cringe at most everybody that has an opinion on this movie.
Well said! One of my favourite scenes was with Crudup and Fassbender when one of those beings approached Fassbender after killing one of the crew members and Crudup shoots him and Fassbender screams 'he trusted me'. I knew then it was ON!! The scene was insanely powerful
Couldn't be said better. Everything on point with the little addition that when David explained about the mutation of the xenomorphs early stages you could see the transition of spore-plant to the early ages of the egg on the table, its like an 0,5second scene.
Everything in the movie is mostly explained in the details, the quick blending in of scenes and/or details camouflaged by an bigger scene. And of course, you need to consider the details of prometheus to link it to covenant.
Those levels of deception and attention-span is sadly too much for like 80% of people watching those movies.
This right here is everything. It was a good movie and if gave us a lot of answers and also left us with more questions. the bigger picture past simple aliens ripping people apart is more fascinating I find. You explain everything well
Daniel Weger rule #1 if we dont see their body than they are NOT dead, and i may be young but i remember that xenomorphs take longer than 15 minutes to grow to adults,and i didnt like this movie be cause it basically meant that prometheus was a useless movie,hate what they did to shaw, and the biggest thing is that they gave us the same exact ending as prometheus, the protagonists go off into space with an android to another planet and end up getting killed by the android which was just bullshit and predictable
Walter's dead get over it, cuts in movies can also skip time, and Prometheus wasn't useless as we would be absolutely clueless as to what's going on in Covenant without it. The ending leaves ambiguity so that it's easier to form a sequel, because it gives more room for ideas to be thrown around in the production team.
Think of a better excuse to not like a movie other than, "It didn't end the way I wanted it to."
Like any other big movie franchise the fans ruined this sequel. The outcry over Prometheus not having much of "Alien" in it made Ridley Scott pussy out. He originally wanted to go further into the story of the engineers after Prometheus but instead he basically made a Alien remake. It only got worse since there now is a split group of people wanting to know more about the engineers and others just want more classic alien storytelling.
HenryRide all these tools going "why dont i understand all the things after watching it once WAAAAAAHH" are the cause of this. Still doing okay for me despite it though.
No one can tell stories, anymore. They want immediate answers. I've had to watch movies with people who five minutes into the show "What's going on?". Uh... that's why we're watching the film. To find out! :)
You talk like he is the only one who gets to make decisions.
If Ridley Scott didn't want to do a great film he should have stepped aside.
Frankly he should have stepped aside before Prometheus was made.
The fans have zilch to do with a lazy ass not dedicated to the project.
when david drops the goo, it doesnt have on the engineer the same effect that it has on humans. we actually know what it does to them...the same thing that the first engineer in prometheus willingly experiments. it disintegrates them...they come apart.
yeah, and why should you create an alien virus that makes aliens in your own body. I mean they created the virus to wipe out planets and make them to their own ones. And you dont create a virus, that would be able to wipe out your own species by one little contact with the goo, so they made the virus not to make little aliens inside them, instead just to kill them. That made the whole expirement with the virus safer.
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There is diffrent variants of the bio weapon
My thing is.. there couldn't have only been one synthetic on the covenant ship. I mean its a colony mission and there's 2,000 some odd colonists on board. You're telling me they only sent ONE android with all of those people? Bullshit. What if Walter malfunctioned on the way to the planet or something? Logically you would have more in storage so that A. you have a back up if Walter is unable to continue piloting the ship and B. to help the colonists out once they arrive at the planet. So say Walter did "die" on David's hell planet. Why would his mind not be like, idk, automatically uploaded to another android on board that switches on upon Walter being decommissioned? Seems stupid to me.
Answer: The Plot
Money! I bet a synthetic sets you back a few bucks! The covenant doesn't look the most state of the art ship in the galaxy, so chances are, it's a private enterprise funded by benefactors, so maybe one was all they could afford after spending all that cash on a massive spaceship. They also mention how synthetics had made people uncomfortable, so perhaps a load of Irish dudes who all look the same is a bit unnerving for the crew! DPS also makes a good point...PLOT (or lack thereof)
He was only there to maintain the ship while all others were in stasis.
I'm pretty sure that he was linked to the ship's systems, so that in case of him malfunctioning, a selection of crew members would wake up by an alert initiated by the ship to investigate and repair him.
Puff Ball it's his ship. He can put as many as he wants on it.
Logically you would also have more than one Lander for over 2,000 people. The writers really dropped the ball with this film.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the actor who played David / Walter. His acting and performance was AMAZING.
Michael Fassbender is one the finest actors around
Unfortunately it can't make up for bad stories.
Take note ignorant reviewers:
There's a massive difference between 'plot holes' and 'unanswered questions'.
Dirvinator their both equally annoying.
Luckily for them, this movie has both.
All the questions from Prometheus are in fact answered IN prometheus. All the questions of Alien Covenant are answered IN Alien Covenant...but no one seems to care to pay attention. It seems that humanity has involuted...instead of thinking, we want that someone else think for us. Instead of understanding we choose ignorance. Instead of shearing we want to take advantage of others. Instead of respect we want disrespect.
What we had to do if we didn't understand the movie was to watch it again and again (like humanity has done across life)...but now humans first throw stones to someone instead of trying to understand it first.
jose pida There were a lot of questions unanswered or had so little hints to completely understand some of the answers. The biggest problem is that if a movie needs to be watched more than twice for the general audience to understand majority of the things that happened, then the movie failed at doing its job. Also, subtle storytelling is fine if done right but this movie is an Alien movie, so trying to be too subtle with your storytelling is just a spit in the face to your target audience. You don't go into a marvel movie expecting citizen Kane or a lifetime movie. Part of a directors job is to know his audience.
+xdarkwolf2255 ok. I understand you. The thing is that this Director (Ridley Scott) has directed many movies which are considered "cult movies" ... That kind of movie are special, because the audience (target) has to watch them more than once to understand them. So...back in 1979 when ALIEN was in theaters ... It was a low budget movie (class b) and presented what we know now. It was a major succes!!!
What was the spacejockey? What were those eggs doing in the spaceship? Who created the eggs? What was the intention for those eggs?
Why the company's android had so much admiration for the creature? Those questions were presented in ALIEN and the next movie Aliens gave THE QUEEN ALIEN and that's it!!! Where are the answers of ALIEN??? NOBODY behaved like today, NO ONE! So...who really failed?? Ridley or the public??
David killed all the Engineers along with Elizabeth smh
Chances are that Planet 4 was just an Engineer colony.
Nah it was the engineers home planet
Michael Taylor the engineers on the planet didn't resemble the ones in the ships. I refuse to believe all the engineers are gone.
Impossible according to the book lore there are 2 factions of engineers destroyers and creators. David killed the creators, it's impossible that he killed the destroyers. none were present and they are presumably in ships around the galaxy. They aren't all gone, and as we all know the canon gets the final say, not ridley scotts fucked up continuity of these movies
Homophilically Meek if he did say that then that sucks, but could you provide a link or tell me where he suggests the engineers are gone.
So if David genetically engineered the xenomorph 100 years in the future, then how did a Predator ship that landed on Earth in 1990 have a trophy skull??
I mean that was Clearly just an Easter Egg or a joke reference; an homage if you will. However in AvP which is set in present time (around 2004 or something) there are a shit ton of Aliens already on Earth, placed here for the Predators to hunt in their right of passage in becoming warriors. Not sure if all three franchises share the exact same timeline though
FloydGOES They're not in the same movie universe. More of an Easter egg left in which means nothing.
I just read somewhere that AVP is not Cannon to this universe, who knows, this movie still has time on their hands before it runs into first Alien Movie, about 18 years.
I'd have thought the point of any Easter egg is to show that it is set in the same universe.
Think of it like a multiverse Aliens is a universe. AVP is another. I don't know if alien exist in standalone predator movies(outside of eastereggs) but, for now just assume they don't.
They aren't engineers, they are another species that was created by the engineers.
Raptors vs Aliens . . . Jurassic World and Alien Crossover please.
Kirk Meyers raptors could probably hold their own, but xeno's could probably defeat the t-rex, with a few of them. it'd be bloody and awesome, I'd be keen to see that.
Raptors would be destroyed, there is nothing they can do against a xeno, since the xeno is much more intelligent, faster, stronger, and more durable. Their spear like tail is better than anything the raptors have and on top of that they have pressurised acid blood meaning that if a raptor somehow pierces the exo skeleton it will be almost certainly killed in a matter of seconds by the acid. The xenomorph has been shown to withstand extreme heat and lots of bullets. One nearly smashed through hard industrial glass using it's head.
You think thats fair? The raptors would be the deer in that situation
What the fuck can a raptor do to a silicone, acid for blood killing machine that can tear open steel bulkheads? Let alone peirce their exoskeleton?
Better for them to fuck if they don't want to get killed.
Well the prologue with David and Shaw; he felt lonely when Shaw was in cryosleep. But he also learned the engineers ways. He might have seen something he did not like; something that made them no different than humans. You needed to see the the prologue released online though.
Rafael Ortiz they should've put that in the movie too and not have people watch the videos online cause some people don't have access
Marco Avalos oh yea man! I loved Covenant! Do not get me wrong. I watched these videos. The one with the crew members before going into cryosleep and the one with Elizabeth and David. So i connected more with certain characters and understood certain motivations more. It is so funny what a difference a couple of deleted scenes can make. I think they should have added these scenes to the movies and idk why they deleted the scenes. Even if they released it online they still should have added it to the movie.
Rafael Ortiz I haven't seen the movie yet but what's your opinion on it?
Marco Avalos Alien Covenant was good imo. Not great but good. There were moments where I was touching my chin a lot or just what the heck moments. Parts of it were predictable. I mean how many Alien movies is it now? But it had enough surprises to keep you entertained. When the action began; it was satisfying. It was definitely gory lol. The movie did start a bit slow like the first Alien but when all hell turned loose; it was worth it. Michael Fassbender stole the show! The movie will not answer all of your Prometheus questions but it answers enough to keep you wanting more. Daniels and Tennessee aside from Michael Fassbender's character were my favorite characters from the movie. Oh and James Franco had a huge role! 😂😂😂.
But aside from that more questions will be answered in the franchise
Before seeing Alien Covenant; you need to see 2 prologue videos of the crew before they go into cryo sleep and the one with David and Elizabeth from Prometheus to understand certain things that happen in the movie. Plus to connect with certain characters.
I got the impression from that Prologue that David learned to love Shaw and killed the Engineers out of revenge. I was disappointed that it turns out David didn't give a damn about Shaw, or had a very perverted interpretation of love (couldn't tell if he was lying to Walter or just crazy).
Alien (1979) there was an Engineer' s ship which controlled by an engineer with full of alien eggs.The question is simple, Engineers are not dead all?
all we got about the engineers was them getting wiped out. pfft.
m33p0 I was looking forward to seeing them to
m33p0 there has got to be more on another planet. The engineers from Prometheus were huge and shredded. The ones in covenant seemed too humanoid.
I can answer some of these questions:
1. What are the spore pods, and why are they not used instead of the Alien Eggs?
- The spores are one of David's earlier attempts to disperse the goo. The problem is that the spores do not make Xenomorphs. They make a human/alien hybrid thing. That's what kills part of the crew. That's not what David wanted.
- The eggs were also made by David (not sure how) but they produce the Facehuggers. These Facehuggers do create Xenomorphs which David says in the movie is "finally the perfect organism". So it's clear that he has been trying to create the Xenomorphs but wasn't sure how
- This is finally backed up by Prometheus, when he infects Halloway but it doesn't create a Xenomorph.
2. Where are the Engineers?
- You'll notice that the Engineers in the movie were not like that in Prometheus. They seemed dumber, and in a more Roman time period. When the spaceship came, they worshiped it like Gods. It's my opinion that the city was not the "home world" of the engineers. It was just another "earth" where the spread life. And that life did turn into something like the Engineers.
3. What does the goo do / lifeless planet?
- The black goo from the Prometheus space ship is like acid to the touch. It outright kills things if poured on. But in smaller doses, can mutate them to a more aggressive species.
- The planet is lifeless (I'm guessing) because after David nukes it with the black goo , he tries to create ways to transmit the goo (like the pods). Which slowly kill everything.
This is by far the best video about all the unanswered questions about Covenant that I've watched so far
For the first question though: The 'Engineers' were an alien species (obviously) that created and breeded 'weapons of war', which is what became the xenomorphs. It was hinted at this in the movie, and we can only imagine how many other experiments they must of have done on multiple planets to create the perfect weapon. That is why they 'created life' on Earth, it was them trying a different way of creating a possibly deadly living being, and seeing whether it would turn into a weapon that could be used in their war. Human life (or all life on Earth) was simply an experiment
I gave David a pass for killing Holloway and when he bio-nuked the Engineers I gave that a pass too (he had justification: one killed his father, ripped his head off and planned to wipe out human life on earth.) But yeah, I hope he gets his comeuppance for killing Shaw specifically, on top off the two thousand colonists he's going to be dissecting/feeding to his pet aliens like they were mice. (Though I doubt it.)
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More like raping...that is what it's called when you impregnate someone against their will Definately rather be raped then deal with Facehuggers
So David must have created an alien queen to produce the eggs, right? Shaw?
HEΛRTS OF SPΛCE woah. That would be cool.
So excited for the next film, Prometheus and Covenant work wonderfully together.
You kidding right?
Perfect sequel. David has become one of my favourite characters in film.
He has got to be kidding
Why lol?
I only got half way through this film and turned it off! Terrible.
I think David's motive for wiping out the engineers go a lot deeper than just "He was crazy". He was obsessed with creation and the idea of becoming a creator, in turn with that comes protecting your young/ancestral lineage that comes after you. I think that combined with his obviously flawed programming he shared Elizabeth Shaw's desire to find out why they wanted to wipe out humans but his turned into more of a rage than just curiosity. So I believe that because the engineers did not want to respect their own creations David believed they did not deserve to have the power to create. Hence why he destroyed them. The one thing he cannot do is create (by natural means) so clearly that is something that he respects with the highest regard and anyone who disrespects it must die!
I wanna know how David was able to infiltrate the Covenant. That ship seemed to have a pretty savvy AI that should have been able to detect the difference between a David model and a Walter. And how did David gain an over ride code to take command of it?
The movie made no sense I think David and Walter and aliens are just like baby groot you kill it but it never dies
My question is where did the facehugger eggs come from? If there are eggs there must be a Queen.
I actually read an interesting tidbit about this last week. So obviously the driving force behind Alien was Ridley Scott. However, the sequel was written and directed by James Cameron. So Ridley had nothing to do with the creation/introduction of the queen. And there is a deleted scene (that you can even look up and watch) from the original Alien film in which Ripley finds a cocooned area of their ship and two of her crewmates are embedded within and are slowly turning into the facehugger eggs.
It may be possible, that Scott is going to make the queen non-canon and continue his story with what he had originally envisioned. Which would really bum me out personally. The Queen was by far the best addition to the Xenomorph lore.
Shaw's reproductive organs.
i was like, "where this big alien egg bitch be hiding at?!?" i was throwed way off when David tricked that dumb ass Captain...
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@@Nompo to deny the existence of the queen just seems like sacrilege.
1. Knowing how the Engineers seeded planets and had a base on the planet that was shown during Prometheus, I think that was only a colony or even another race they created. Notice how they were in robes and started to look up in awe at the Engineer ship. I don't think that's the last of them.
2. David wanted to create. During the film Prometheus David said "Sometimes to create, one must first destroy". David believes the only way to create is to first destroy. Notice that he cried as he destroyed the life below him. David also got emotional when talking about Shaw. He loved her but he also wanted to create.
3. The spores are eggs at a early stage.
4. David doesn't have control over the Xenomorph. If you watch Alien: Covenant and pay attention you see the Xenomorph see him on the monitor and it goes up to the monitor and breaks it. Creations rebel against their creators. David will learn that the hard way.
5. Looper is not paying attention to the film Alien: Covenant.
I sooooo agree with the eggs vs spore question. David keeps going on about "the perfect organism", yet it clearly isn't.
Loved Alien: Covenant.
But all these unanswered questions are REALLY PISSING ME OFF NOW!!
A planet with no bugs would have no fruits
nazart where are fruits shown?
Also curious where the fruits at.
maybe there are seasons like on Earth. It looked like autumn.
Looked like summer in New Zealand lol
adriyk I mean the weather was shit all the time.
Lol are you saying those are the only engineers? Really? A million year old race only lives on one planet but yet has already mapped out the entire galaxy. ONLY engineers right and just not a small colony.
The films explain why the engineer colony was destroyed, the original pathogen that David releases is intended to cause structural chaos within the DNA of any fauna (not flora) it comes in contact with, hence the engineers deaths. Its only when David starts messing about with its genetic structure that it results in Neomorphs when the pathogen comes in contact with other creatures. The area surrounding the city/ship is lifeless as it has fallen prey to the initial attack as it was designed to destroy the host, and not start the gestation process. The presence of neomorphs would suggest all life was not destroyed as the altered pathogen has been able to find some hosts. The spores were explained as part of avids experimentation process. Also the plants were the initial dispersion method david designed, as the ovomorphs/eggs design is shown in his drawings, it is safe to assume this is Davids way of ensuring their ability to procreate.
The major issue is with continuity between Predator and Xenomorphs, as they are set in the same universe, the film claims David created the Xenomorphs yet somehow the Predators have been hunting them for thousands of years, the films show the predators bringing xenomorphs to earth during egyptian /aztec eras.
- nerd out.
David say at one point that the pathogen came in many forms and that it either killed outright or spawned a hybrid form.
If you notice that the ship David & Shaw took from LV-223 was from the second temple in the row of 5. David said there were "many other" Juggernaut ships there. It stands to reason that each temple on LV-223 contained different versions of the pathogen and that the version that was on the ship David & Shaw took was not the same as what the Prometheus crew dusturbed in the first temple.
hence, the different effects when unleashed on the Planet 4 humanoids....
Why was there only one city of engineers?
cuz they mastered the exploration of space.
SPOILERS!!!
A lot more was unanswered than just these! Like what is that Alien at the end of Prometheus? Is it a Xenomorph or Neomorph? If it was a Xenomorph David being their creater would make no sense. If it was a Neomorph it still wouldn't make sense because the Colonists weren't on the same planet as where the Prometheus was. So what exactly was it? Also why did the Xenomorph look entirely different when it hatched then it did in Alien? They were two ENTIRELY different designs. Plus if David even created the Xenomorphs then who or what created the Neomorphs? Also when the captain got the face hugger on him how did David get it off since we know from Alien if you touch the thing it tightens and won't come off? Lastly, how did the Xenomorphs hatch so fast? We all learned from Alien when a face hugger is attached to someone it takes a WAY longer process for the thing to burst out of your chest. So why did it take such a short time in this movie? I like this movie but man were their some serious holes in the lore of this universe.
The one at the end of prometheus is called a deacon it comes from the Trilobite that was in shaws stomach and she had cut out (the giant squid type alien in prometheus) it in impregnated a engineer and creates the deacon. I think the xenomorph looks so different when hatched cause david is not finished with making the xenomorphs perfect and they will evolve to turn into the chest buster type that shoots out fast as a defence incase people try to kill them as the hatch out the chest, since the mini alien was quite slow. The engineers created the virus (Goo) that infects people/plants and slowly creates a neomorph in those affected. And its been shown in other movies that the time for a chest buster to hatch varies a lot, it depends on the persons health and will to resist the alien but in this movie it is a weak mini alien not a chest buster which might time less time to be created inside someone. Hope this helps and any other questions just ask i know too much xD
Mega MovieZ I agree with everything but the face huggers eventually come off themselves and I don't think there is anyway of telling how much time has passed.
not a neo nor a xeno. a decon.
The reason the alien in this movie is different from the one in the original alien is because it's not completely perfect yet. David wanted to create the perfect organism and he tried with multiple organisms like insects. In covenant, the face hugger egg was twice the size of the one in the original alien, and it was created by David. This in turn results in a different alien than the one in the original movie. This means that the Alien in covenant is not completely perfect yet, and David will eventually create the perfect organism which will end up being the alien we saw in the first movie.
David also used the pathogen to create these forms and variations of the face hugger egg, and alien we see in the original movie. The next movies will have the alien being more closely related to or exactly alike to the original alien design.
I have one answer:
David wanted to kill all the "creators" because one of them decapitated him. Just that.
When is the next Alien movie supposed to come out..
;( been waiting for years..
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A couple of notes and theories:One question you asked was how are xenomorphs more evolved than neomorphs, some observations is that (and I'm not entirely sure on this) the neomorphs don't appear to have acidic blood, and often a pure strain of the goo is is chaotically random. It would make a certain amount of sense for a synth to try and bring order to this process.
Additionally the xenomorphs seem to grow faster than Neo morphs and I think their tongue (which neomorphs also don't seem to have) may contain some added benefit for the xenomorphs, (while not considered cannon, in video games it heals them)
What was the point of the movie? To make money and set up more films for more money. No other questions or answers needed.
Renegade Richard Grayson That's the point of every commercial venture, which includes films, jackass.
Renegade Richard Grayson people where whining because Prometheus was a step on human mankind and not alien then they got what they asked for.
TheArtkaw my point was that it was a set up for future set ups, but neglecting the actual story in the process, think Amazing Spider-Man 2
Jonathan Cooney I just don't understand your comment, please tell me English isn't your native language.
I don't think Ridley Scott is chasing money (if it would be true it would be sad considering the early movies critizing capitalism)
I guess it's Ridley Scott contemplating an and questionning how horrible he see death despite having faith.
Mr. Scott has plans for a dozen of alien films and you are talking about questions left unanswered?
In the next film, the black Goo will turn you into the black spider man.
David will somehow turn into Venom.
David did answer the question about why Paradise is lifeless. He said that the virus doesn't affect plant life, but can affect any animal life. also, he mentioned how evolutionarily adaptive the virus is, and since each mutation can result in a new adaptation, so it's possible that it would have reached the point of spores without David's help.
David didn't annihilate the primary planet of the Engineers. Its probably just a colony because they are not technologically advanced like the engineers in Prometheus.
David and Walter kiss, and there the same person
Umbralello Hard Does that mean David is Gay? Michael Fassbender was just kissing himself.. So is it gay of himself? Find out in Alien : Awakening LOL
robots cant be gay
Is that robo-homosexual or masturbation?
selfcest...that's hot
it's robo-sexual
Sometimes to create, one must first destroy. Just a shame Ridley has now applied this philosophy to his own franchise.
Starfors
Is he wrong tho?
the answer is david was making the perfect alien... the the original ones the ones we know now are his perfect species all the other ones were imperfections which probably don't survive long the first aliens seen in the movie were from a spore not fully developed like the darker aliens which were in eggs...david wanted to make perfection
Are Predators from the same universe (AvP) not more perfect then xenomorphs? Are engineers not more perfect? What makes an xenomorph perfect? It's like a big crocodile which seems cool until you run into a 7ft dude with lasers on his shoulders etc that's what makes no sense
Recipe for making an amazing movie:
1.) Start off making an unnecessary prequel to an already awesome movie universe.
2.) Make the first two movies of the prequel confusing, creates more questions than answers, and make it seem like it isn't connected to the Original movies to the point that it almost ruins the universe altogether.
3.) Make the third movie give us all the answers to the Prequel trilogy and the Original movies as well as giving us the movie we expected the first two Prequel movies to be.
The plants that shoot out the spores (motes) create a species called a Neomorph with what they come in contact with. Neomorphs unlike their larger more intelligent and less hostile (relatively speaking) cousins the Xenomorphs come from the goo (The plant-thing the spores comes from is a result of the goo nuke). The perfect species can only be generated via egg which I'd like to know how did David cultivate in the first place. If I'm wrong please correct me. I love the franchise and I'd love to talk about it.
Neomorphs are easy to spot for a few reasons:
1. They are White/Off-gray. Xenos are almost completely black.
2. Their mouths are more or less internal. You cannot see it until its killing you. At first glance you would think they didn't have a mouth.
3. Bloodbursters as the Neomorph hatchlings are called can essentially in theory burst out of a person from any part of the abdominal cavity be that the back ;) or the mouth or what have you. Xenomorph chestbursters come from......well the chest as I'm sure you all know.
4. Their hostility is unmatched. The hatchlings fresh out of a man tent started to attack almost immediately. Where as chestbursters scurry off to grow in the dark.
Two burning questions I personally had were: Why was the first Xenomorph not a conventional run and hide chestburster (it started off with arms and legs)? and How did David even cultivate that many eggs in the first place? I have ideas but even still.
I'm expecting Predators in next one :P
There is no indication for predators to be in the franchise but Ridley Scott could find a way to put them into it if he wanted to...if he was desperate enough. It could be possible to intelligently achieved though.
They could make it that the predators were an Engineer proto-humanoid experiment before the creation of humans. Then the predators have a hunter culture trying to live up to the Engineer's expectations to be validated as worthy creations and gain favor.
David creates the xenomorph home planet and BAM! Alien vs Predator! LMAO! haha
Exactly lol, would love to see that bombshell!
funfact, as they walk through the forest you can hear a predator sound, at least it sounds very much like a predator.
The Predators are off doing their own shit, hopefully we get a new standalone movie soon :)
MeihanaBee August 2018 ;)
I believe David did not kill the Engineers. The civilization that David destroys is not that of Engineers, much less is the planet of Engineers. It is another species derived / created by Engineers, just as the human race is a derivation / creation of Engineers (as shown at the beginning of Prometheus). If you compare the beings in the Covenant mass destruction scene with the scene of the Prometheus Engineer waking up from the cryogenise, you will see that it is not the same race.
Making a description of what I believe based on the scene in which David destroys the entire alien race, I realize that when the Engineers' ship arrives, the local people gather to make a reception of something majestic, divine, as if it were a cult to receive gods (those people vibrate as if it were the arrival of a Pop Star). I believe that, unlike engineers and humans, this people created by Engineers had a relationship with their own creative engineers and creators. Notice the reaction of the local population when it realizes that whoever is in the ship (David) is not an Engineer ... The reaction is of instantaneous concern and soon afterwards of despair when realizing that the place is bombarded by the 'black solution'.
Think about it... :)
This made the questions even more questionable haha. Just more questions!
The spore pod vs. facehugger thing is arguable. On the one hand, a spore pod can infect multiple animals if they're close to it when it releases (aided or impeded by the spores' apparent hive-mind sentience) and they look rather innocuous, but are immobile. The facehugger pods release a mobile hunter that really expands the range of infection, but they can only get one animal at a time and are very conspicuous.
I think it's inaccurate to say that the spore sacs are more efficient than the egg sacs. First off, the egg sacs don't require being bumped and rather will open by proximity and you're more likely to have something come close than bump directly into a sac, especially something so small. Second, if anyone were to bump into them and then walk off or say were running by, we don't know if they would still seek them out or if they'd stop pursuing after a certain distance, whereas the eggs with the face huggers can traverse most terrain and will seek out hosts after sensing them initially.
I don't think those were engineers. I think they were another life form started by the engineers.
bleunt but they know the black goo and run away very fast🤔 other than that I agree
I agree; they looked fairly primitive, wearing only robes and having next to no technology bar the levitating docking station which could have been left there by the engineers for this species to worship, and when the engineer ship returns, the species would understandably congregate underneath it. @Lex A, perhaps they knew what the goo was, or perhaps they just ran away because the goo looked ominous as shit when it was released into the air.
I'm not sure they knew what it was. It just looked scary.
I think that the engineers that David killed was the civilian side of the engineers. The other one we see in Prometheus with the suits might have been the Military.
If only Ripley was there 😭
Most people aren't liking the movie because it left questions coming from Prometheus unanswered and created many new ones. Can't you people wait for the next installment of the franchise? Do you really need to be spoon-fed every detail?
Max Zamora I guess it grows dark in the mind. Hoping to see more about Engineers, we got this excuse for genocide and not a single word on who they are and what they do. I think that Scott doesn't care about it, there's no story to tell if the damn robot killed them all. Easy way out.
Damn you David!!
I think Walter is still alive but David just put him down temporarily so he can escape.
When I saw the movie I thought that the sequence with David killing the Engineers was just methaporical. It shows how David sees himself as Ozymandias, the bringer of despair. The dreamlike sequence shows David to be the one who's destroying the city, but it's actually the Engineers destroying themselves. Because David is telling the story, he places himself in the role of Ozymandias. At least that's how I interpretet it. The movie already established that the ship from Prometheus had crashlanded, with the professor being killed by David and then dragged to the dead city. If he really did commit alien genocide I'm not sure if I can take this film seriously anymore.
More questions = more movies = more $
more questions, but no answers. This movie was supposed to give simple answers about engineers and they failed even that. They will get no money from me.
fuck the engineers the movie was awesome
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how is there a xenonmorph in the year of 2004 on AVP
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it's a cross over movie
even if its not canon, xenomorphs existed way before david, he only "created" a type of xenomorph not the whole species
Your video is excellent, I personally hope we get more films that will answer
these questions!
The Monty Python clip totally caught me off guard, like some sort of Spanish Inquisition :D
Tonight I saw Alien covenant and I must say one of my favorite series has been ruined.
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David the android from Prometheus makes the Xenomorph. It was all him :(.
Why does this bother me?
So many alien movies like predator and independence day depict aliens as this super race that is wildly intelligent. Why I loved the Alien franchise is because of the uniqueness of this creature. It's not a super intelligent life form capable of space travel but rather a large predatory insect/reptile that's only purpose is to reproduce. My hope was that we were going to find out that the Aliens had some type of home planet where they became the Apex predator. (The comic books call this Xenomorph Prime) I love this idea because it would mean that intelligent life was wiped out on this planet or never came to be which is far more likely then intelligent life developing. In a way, it provides a unique and potentially more accurate depiction of what an alien might be. The idea of David (a robot) cooking this creature up with some silly black goo takes the science right out of sci-fi. The series could I have totally taken the route that I talked about where maybe the engineers stumbled upon this Alien's homeworld and that lead to the ultimate extinction of the engineers while causing the Xenomorphs to switch planets. This would also allow a more plausible explanation for the Predator franchise.
Also in the Alien series specifically "Aliens" Xenomorphs are depicted as being established colony insect-like beings with a queen, hive, and a unique social network. David's animals were relatively wild and feral beings. The idea of creating these very complex beings seems to be unlikely if outright impossible.
If it helps, in one of the books the xenomorph already existed. I'm pretty sure there's a mural of a xeno in Prometheus, too.
I tried to like this movie, but I just wasn't able to dumb myself down THAT much.
Sorry kids.
Wis Dom same here late 80sbaby
yet you probably thought ironman 3 or avenger's age of ultron was the bee's knees, so go watch them again.
David didn't kill the Engineers, he killed a few thousand of them living in seemingly primitive conditions on an outpost world. Also, considering their behaviour, gathering in a big square watching the ship descend in awe, it is quite possible they are another species created by the engineers that look a bit more like their creators than humans do.
Also, movie sucked. Did not feel like an alien movie. Felt like a pretentious David movie. And those fucking mushroom mosquitos that re-write DNA to create back-bursters?! Please...
Dude it's not that illogical. The Spores force the Body to produce the back burster while the goo accelerates the growth and genetic material and hosts DNA for the foreign creature to be made.
I think the reason for the xenomorphs (or protoxenomorphs) following David is that they simply don't have a queen. While it is true that xenomorphs still can kill without mistake without a queen, you gotta remember that these aliens aren't truly xenomorphs yet and maybe haven't developed that extreme killer and hive instinct that normal xenomorphs have. It could also be the fact that the xenomorphs are more animalistic and more responsive to different types of motions that anything living near it will give it. It could be similar to say a bear where if you stay calm and don't run away, it won't attack you right away but if you do, then it'll come charging at you. It could be something similar to these protomorphs where if you don't show any sign of fear or doubt, the won't immediately attack you like a xenomorph would. Anyway, that's just my thinking of it, I could be 100% percent wrong though.
David must have seen the engineers as threatening his own dominance, since he was obviously interested in being top dog, as the movie quite clearly hints at.
When they stepped into the planet without suites, thats when I stopped watching..
Yup....complete d rate film from there on.....I rooted for the aliens from there on.
By this point the plot is so convoluted and full of holes that we will never get an answer to anything.
David is malfunctioning. That's why he's gone bonkers and against his programming.
Adventures by George He's not malfunctioning, he's just an AI who's become self aware. He realizes people are shit and are eventually going to die out because of what we our doing to ourselves and the way we are living. He's playing god, and power tripping because he learned he has the ability to create and realizes he was built for a greater cause
Playing god is malfunction.
Now, this is your nice voice back again! Thank you! :-)
In Alien franchise movies, you have characters die off screen - just look at Newt and Hicks - they survive at the end of Aliens and are dead by Alien 3. Shaw dies off screen between Prometheus and Covenant and it is still uncertain how she died (David seems very at ease with telling fibs) - we just know David used her body in his experiments. It was bloody obvious that 'Walter' was really David long before the actual reveal.
As a huge fan of the franchise, this movie made my blood boil. Maybe don't go exploring an alien world that you know nothing about without hasmat suits?
come on, David kills the engineers only because he needs the labs and tech for him alone, target always will be mankind but he needs to master the xenomorph. So he destroys the world without touching the techs
maldonado maximo Also if you think about it, the Engineers may be the only ones who knows how to stop this since they know exactly what the goo is and have knowledge and tech to possibly stop David's plans. Kill them means elimanting anyone who could stop him.
maldonado maximo well that'd be a better explanation except for the fact that he didn't use their labs he did all his experiments in a run down temple. He killed them because he didn't think they were worthy of life. I really wish they would've stuck to Prometheus 2's original plan.
I didnt see labs or tech other than on the ships. David must have used a mortar and pestle, a bit of alchemy and the flute for his experiments given the unsophisticated city. Makes little sense.
God creates Man , Man destroys God , Man becomes God
Voracious T God creates man, man creates cyborg, cyborg destroys man, cyborg destroys God, cyborg (the creation of another creation) becomes God.*
Then Man destroys Man.
"God is dead" - Nietzsche
- A few years later -
"Nietzsche is dead" - God
Actually man creates god. Man kill god. Man was god from the beginning
man cant destroy god, man is just man
I feel this video to be a bit redundant.. The reason the eggs are considered a superior alien form is because they birth a far larger and harder to kill creature. And given that David didn't have any humans to test it on, id say it was simply a trial run of the xeno at best. Also the lack of life on the planet could be explained by the neomorphs possibly having a short life span. Maybe that also is why the xeno is the ultimate form, perhaps it lives far longer. Also the only reason we didn't see Walter die is because they didn't want to spoil that David had switched places with him.
How does Alien eggs end up in Engineer ship, where we saw them in first movies?
one thing we know the engineers have been around for at least two thousand years but at the beginning we see a engineer deliberately drink something that broke his DNA down and falling into the water where seemly life began so that must be billions of years ago, if so in alien covenant look at the huge crowd of engineers on their home planet i would say the population was a hundred thousand, question if the engineers have been around since beginning of the planet earth their population on their home planet should be in there billions or even if it's only 2 thousand years their population should easily be in there millions so where are the other populations of the engineers and where is the kids don't they mate or reproduce,
Walter survives and creates predators or engineers survived create them creating a sequal
Predators aren't canon in the Alien universe idiot.
So the movies Alien vs Predator dont count?
FATbugEYEDblackCUNT No?
Max Leon I think the engineers will visit the planet and see all the chaos and the fate that David unleashed on the ppl that lived on the planet, and find Walter, who tells them Davids plan,from there they chase the Covenant to the planet David is heading too, and it's up to the humans left that David hasn't experimented on and the engineers to stop him and his xenomorphs.
Predators were around WAY before Synths.
Absolute nonsense movie... It is the result of having hundreds of ideas, dozens of them are brilliant, but yet you decide to portray the worst of the worst of them in your movie....
Prometheus basically told us who they were - the planet the first crew went to was a Military Outpost (hence why those ones looked different from the ones David slaughtered).
Humanity was a mistake to the Engineers and their Military was planning to wipe out humanity using the same arsenal that David used on them, it wasn't a ship designed for exploration, it was designed for planetary destruction through biological weaponry.
And like others have suggested, I'm inclined to agree, that wasn't their home planet - that was just a port. If that was their home planet, there'd MUCH MORE cities and it wouldn't be mostly tropical rain forests.
No birds, animals, or insects, just Silence. Yeah, they clearly designed it to wipe out ALL life.
Why did David hate humans & wipe out the Engineers? He saw humanity as flawed and dangerous, it was pretty clear when he used that "goo" on one of the crew. And he could've seen the Engineers as no different (hell his first meeting with them was not exactly a fond memory).
You asked why the goo didn't turn everything into Xenomorphs - If you watched Prometheus, you'd know that Xenomorphs were not the only thing that the goo made. The Snake thing that killed the two guys that were treating that thing like a puppy, it zombified another, and because of the deliberate infection by David, that one guy impregnated Elizabeth Shaw with a Squid like monster and that Squid monster got hold of that Engineer who tried to kill Shaw and then a DIFFERENT Xenomorph popped out.
Xenomorph on Military outpost planet was Blue, had Human teeth, and a similar mouth to the Xenomorphs we know.
Xenomorphs from the Spores on the Port Planet were White, they had a different body structure & a different elongated head, their tales weren't bone (like the ones we know), and though they had razor sharp teeth, they also seemed to only have one mouth.
Even the Xenomorph that David created were different from the ones we know from the original Alien movies - these ones came out of the host's chest in a miniature adult state, the original movies they came out as snakes.
The Xenomorphs are clearly intelligent, they have been known for that throughout the entire Alien franchise. They can sense fear, they could tell that David wasn't scared of them but proud. Which explains why the other one that was killed in front of David (the one he screamed "NOO!!" about) didn't kill him outright. They may be hunters & killers, but they aren't in a constant state of "kill everything".
David also could have easily programmed into them "I am your creator", he's had quite a long while to perfect his experiments.
Is Walter alive? David defeated him pretty easily the first time, and when he found out that Walter survived his first assumed death, it is pretty clear that David ensured that Walter wouldn't come back. So it is very likely that he is. And say he isn't. If he's in pieces, well he's fucked. If he wakes up after the ship took off, well he's still fucked considering there's no way for him to leave the planet (Covenant left the system and the other ship is obviously dead cause otherwise David could've still used it).
And it is pretty obvious that the Alien Prequels are not over with. We still haven't seen how he intends to make a Queen. And if he intends to finish with Xenomorphs, we'll have to see him make their Larva stage more snake like since that is how we remember them.
The Engineers? We might not have seen the last of them.
The reason there are no xenomorphs on the planet by the time the covenant arrives is obvious. 1. David infected the planet, 2. every living thing on the planet was either transformed or devoured, 3. David sat in his floating ship for a few months and watched as the xenonmorphs starved to death. In other words, the black goo (Alien engineered super weapon) did exactly what it was designed to do.