Mustang Mach-E vs Model Y vs ID4 EV comparison - Is the future any good? | Everyday Driver Season 9
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- The Mustang Mach-E and VW ID4 represent two huge brands first foray into Electric CUVs. They join the long running Tesla Model Y in our comparison and discussion of the most successful market segment going EV.
00:00 - 2:45 Intro
2:45 - 4:40 Charging realities
4:40 - 11:23 Design and Technology
11:23 - 16:19 Performance
16:19 - Conclusions
This episode from Season 9 first Premiered on MotorTrend cable channel in the Summer of 2021.
#ModelY #MachE #Mustang #ID4 #comparison
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Bought a Model Y here. I was immensely impressed and didn't have any QC issues that Tesla is known for. ID4 never came on my map. I was impressed with the Mach E, but dealers drove away me as a potential buyer. A lot of dealers asking 10k over sticker, even worse for the GT. Basically priced the standard Mach E above the Model Y performance. Doesn't make much sense.
Yup, Ford dealers are one of the worst. Too bad I'm a Ford guy. On top of that Ford lately is getting worst with their features being offered at way higher price than competitors from Asia. Example, Hyundai and Toyota offer their full driving assistance technologies on most of their models as standard including some of their base. While Ford's blue cruise is offered at a premium price. With that said we really tried hard looking at Ford and other american cars 1st before deciding. Eventually finance wins over heart.
@@goochigoochs3836 Ford, an “American” car, made in Mexico??
I think the Mach-e is great where Tesla is poor, easy to use & familiar, but let down by the legacy systems (dealership structure & engineering design)
Yeah, I found a dealer selling for MSRP, so I am doing that. I don't much like the interior layout of the Model 3/Y, but the dealerships definitely suck
We will watch the death of the standard dealership before 2040
We ordered a Premium AWD with X-plan so had no problems getting one less than MSRP. It is not hard to get a X-Plan pin. Own 100 shares of Ford Stock for 6 months, or join the Mustang Club Of America for 90 days or work for a company that is part of Ford's Partner Program.
I used to build the battery for the id.4 It is certainly the most recyclable battery on the market. The car isn't as fast as the Model Y, but realistically it doesn't need to be. I thought it was plenty fast enough and very nice to drive. I'm also 6'5 and could behind the seats if they were where I would need them. Non-car people, also seem to want to be as detached from the road as possible
I test drove all three of these before buying my first all electric, and I went with the Ford Mach E GT. Yes, I won't call it a Mustang. It's just a Mach E GT. I love it so far. Hitting 500 miles soon.
How fast is it ?
Throw your head back quicker than you blink fast
Lol trash everyone knows Tesla us a decade ahead of competition. AKA look at the stats and sales
Trash Tesla, we all have our own opinions don't we
@@thebiasfam9134 tesla is currently way overpriced, yes it has a lot going for it but right now the Mach-E is simply better value, and it has a lot more personality like what was said in the video
The striking point here is that the Tesla is inferior in areas that are relatively easy for Tesla to fix, such as ride and build quality, but the other two products are inferior in ways that are much harder to improve -software and charging network.
The Tesla seats are the most comfortable I've ever sat in, and one of the reasons I bought the car
The model y has more mpge, more range and faster charging. And also. I think these guys just like lots of shit all over. I think it's goofy to have all those boba and buttons. Like we're some sort of jet pilots. Reminds me of mercades. They are nightmares, all the buttons and nobs and settings.
DreamLeaf - I agree. When he said I Love the Mach-E dial at the bottom of the screen, I said, I’m OUT
Actually I think you've got that backwards. Build quality and ride are not easy to fix. Obviously they're not because 12 years after they started building cars they're still having issues with this. Software is the thing that should be easy to fix...
Just requires programming. And all of these cars get over the air updates.
So this so the software problems in the other two vehicles can be easily rectified.
The Tesla riding like crap and having squeaks and rattles is not something that can be fixed afterwards in an update.
@@dreamleaf6784
Basic controls like turn signal knobs, volume knobs, climate control settings are things that people do want physical controls over.
People coming from other cars are going to want things that feel familiar they don't want to have to relearn everything new.
Even the door handles on the Teslas are idiotic. Have someone walk up to a Tesla and try to figure out how to open the door.
If you have to explain to someone how to open the door you failed as an engineer designing that door handle opening system.
Personally I'd get the Volkswagen, I drive for a living all day long and the softer ride would be something I would personally desire.
You can get the car in all wheel drive now with significantly more power. For a $3,000 upgrade in all trims.
They also offer three different levels of trim. The base model is $39,000. Comes with everything you could possibly want in a car. Skips the giant panoramic roof, and gives you cloth seats.
I live in the Southwest.
The last thing I want is a giant glass panel over my head in the middle of summer.
The inside of a car can get to 150° f in the summer .. the last thing you want is leather seats. And Volkswagen allows me to decide what I want.
I'm not a big Volkswagen fan in general. I try to stay away from European cars due to high repair costs and maintenance issues. But I think being electric a lot of that might be eliminated but who knows for sure.
What a wonderful review!
This is the type of car comparison we all need. Honest and straight to the point with some personal opinions in between.
Love it! Thanks for every clarification. This is gold!
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Probably the best comparison I've seen so far. Subscribed right away! Thanks!
Thank you. Glad to have you with us!
been waiting for this comparison, thanks for the great content!
I own an ID.4 Pro S Gradient. I absolutely love it and have had no issues thus far! No regrets(:
I remember when the first ICE cars showed up with electric power steering. Everyone complained there was a lack of feedback and that it felt artificial. Didn't take long for the manufacturers to put the feel back in using software. I guessing they can do the same for EV's.
Let’s hope so.
You should have compared the AWD ID 4. Also the ID4 can charge just fine at any charging station...they aren't locked to Electrify America, although they do get free charging there for 3 years.
To be fair, the gripes they had with the FE ID.4 seem like they'd have applied just as much to the dual motor version. I say that as an ID.4 owner.
@@scottberger1072 I just ordered an ID.4, what are the strange grips this guy hosting the show is talking about ?
Just picked up a used Pro S AWD and yes, the extra 100hp makes a big dif. That and the fact that VW is about to roll out their LONG awaited software update which is supposed to fix the laggy-ness and other glitches, plus introduce improvements, makes it for me. The quality of the interior and build is far superior to the Tesla, which costs way more. For an everyday it's excellent.
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Don't know if you thought about OTA updates that Tesla gives, as well as an excellent app, a card as well as app to use, removeable rims, safest vehicle on the road in the category, and storage kicking the butt of either Mustang or VW....these are all things that a person LIVING with the vehicle would consider not JUST driving experience....thanks for the video. Ordering and buying a Mustang or VW are TERRIBLE experiences for ANYONE !! Buying a Tesla is MUCH easier, less stress, and NO PRESSURE to buy extra features or haggling for price !!! ALL underrated aspects of getting a vehicle. The Model Y is NOT the perfect vehicle, but considering the youth of the company they did a great job !!!!
The Mach-E is definitely my favorite looking of the trio and I love the fact that they still provide a speedo/gauge cluster. It would definitely be my pick if I was in the market. My next car is definitely going to be an EV so I'm hopeful there will be more options and more charging infrastructure in the next 2-3 years. But good point about charging overnight in the city. My historic high rise doesn't have one or plan to install one, but thankfully there are some options in underground garages in the neighborhood.
Same situation here but my garage at work has chargers, so I can charge while at work.
I own 4 teslas. I was never a car guy. Do yourself a favor and drive a Tesla for a few days. They are far superior to any EV or any car in the world. Too many distinct characteristics to mention without experiencing it first hand.
@@deenobrown1 so trueeeeee
Just recently bought one and am really, really enjoying it. Nothing against the other two, all seem like great cars.
@@deenobrown1 bro.... It's a car
I went for the Model Y, in this generation the competition is compromised. Kia and Hyundai should probably be considered the biggest competitors to Tesla, their new EV cars are great
Been saying that as well, Hyundai and KIA have a ton of very smart engineers and they know what they're doing. Plus they're based in Asia, lots of manufacturing capability in the area.
Does Kia or Hyundai cars do 0-60 in 3.3 seconds? You cant compare these Korean cars to Tesla!
@@ultimate4305 Is that a purpose of EV? Not for me.
@@ultimate4305 The average SUV owner is 58, while the average Tesla owner I read was 54. No one cares about seconds or parts of seconds when choosing a car for their family. Are we all lining up and racing places that I'm not aware of? Get tired of the 0-60 silly stats.
And that is a real wise decision.
Very informative video, and thank you for visiting Boulder, CO. Will look for more EV videos from you!
Excellent review, best I have seen in a very long time.
The other brands are so far behind than any Tesla on the road today. Just the smooth efficient power delivery and the FSD of course makes the Tesla a king. I am currently driving a Model Y with FSD beta 10.5 and I feel the future being here. Absolutely fantastic technology.
My first 6 moths in the model 3 has yielded 20k miles. No issues getting around. Most aggressive was trip was 3000 miles in one week. The stops for charging is actually good and it resets your brain for the next stint. The only thing I have been missing is waypoints, but that has recently been added. I do not find the M3 particularly quiet. When you get up to highway speed there is some wind noise that is quite audible. But then again, before that I was in a S90 and it was for sure quieter at highway speeds. The S90 had the B&W audio system and because of that the sound system in the model 3 always seemed disappointing to me. I liked the seats in the Volvo better but my family likes the Tesla more. Thanks for the review, enjoyed it..:)
Honestly I’m looking for something like the I.d. 4 but I would like the interface of the mustang.
I don’t need handling or 0-60, I need a hitch, room for kids/dogs, and some cool tech at a good price point.
This is the best comparison video of the 3 CUVs I have seen. Great job, Everyday Driver!
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Guys, wow. Best overview of electric cars I've seen. Production quality is REALLY good! Thanks for doing this!
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I liked your comparo. Here's my gripe. I'll feel much better when the technology improves to provide a major league bump in mileage per charge (MPC). I like the Mustang but not if they can't surpass 300 miles during the four seasons (Full range of temps.). My sister's new Y down in Fla is awesome. I drove it two weeks ago.
Great Video, Please what year is the Mustang? 2022 Mustangs Mach Es are difficult to find right now. But the 2021 models seem to be available. Thanks in advance
I have a Mach E Premium AWD Extended Range. It's a fantastic car. I test drove a GT and it blew my mind. So I ordered a GT Performance Edition. I can't wait to get it!
Nice. I hand a GT non performance on order and I hope I don't regret not getting the performance add on.
You will LOVE it! I have one and I can't stop driving it.
@@didiermejia780 Hopefully it meets your expectations.
@@nomation Nice. I drove a non performance edition and I was seriously impressed.
@@TheCarCrazyGuy Big DIF between Non P and P vehicles. The Magna Ride for me is the key.
As a Mustang enthusiast and owner of a 05 Mustang convertible, I was skeptical at first whether the Mach E deserved the Mustang brand. Pulled the trigger on one and now have had my MME 4X for 9 months / 9 thousand miles. Yes, it deserves the Mustang badge.
How much is the Mustang badge worth exactly?
Putting Mustang tailights on an suv does not make it a Mustang. I bet Ford will soon drop the Mustang name on this car and simply call it Mach E.
@@danc1197 I think having Mustang logo is cool than having FORD badge.
"the automotive equivalent to a burner phone" is my new favorite !!
Because that saying is as stupid as they come? Tesla is many years ahead of anyone else, but these journalists are piad by legacy auto to kiss their asses. None of this actually matters though, Tesla's product is superior and no amount of haters is gonna change that.
@@VNCTHE1 he probably can't afford one. Lol
@@dreamleaf6784 A burner phone? That's harsh lol 😆
@@VNCTHE1 I meant a ev. That's why he likes the saying.
@@dreamleaf6784 😅
Excellent review guys. Refreshing to hear what real cars guys think vs. a biased brand fanboy. My heart tells me the Mach E but my pragmatic me tells me Tesla, both for all the reasons you both spelled out. Fortunately for me, I despise SUVs and want a sedan so my only real choice at this point is Tesla model 3. If only the Genesis G70 was an EV. Build that with the first 6speed manual trans in an EV and I'll cash in my retirement and buy one. Fortunately, that will never happen.
Part of the high price of Tesla is their charging infrastructure. By comparison, the other EV manufacturers do not have a charging infrastructure. Road tripping in a Tesla is easy and fun due to Superchargers and Autopilot. I would like to see you guys road trip these (and other) EVs.
Yes this is the true test of an EV. See how well it and you handle the range anxiety travelling between cities and the time it take to recharge doing so.
@@tastytreats6195 both your points are non-issues.
But hard reality is 95% of EV buyers are corporates who 99% of time spend time in cities and in urban areas and for em MachE is a valid and arguably better choice tham Tesla
@@stgeorgee sure if you are only doing quick runs in the city, otherwise: th-cam.com/video/vXzuFprlyrw/w-d-xo.html
@@tastytreats6195 That video is mostly a demonstration of how bad the route planning is in some of these cars. The Mach E driver wasn't prepared well for the best way to handle the current state of CCS. Its not as hard as implied, though. IMO, this video more closely reflects the current reality: th-cam.com/video/6nNYkqAF1kI/w-d-xo.html
What happened to Don't buy the new model? Curious as to durability & software updates for the new vehicles.
Moose test: Y- pass, Mache- fail, Id4- ?
as a tesla stock investor since 2013, i am probably biased, although i don't own a tesla. so when i say that the KIA EV6 looks to be as good or better than the tesla model Y at a comparable price (~$60,000), then you may want to believe it. available in europe now, and coming to the U.S. next spring.
and yes, legacy automakers with their shortsightedness have ruled out half of their prospective clients by not having invested in an easily accessible worldwide charging network with speeds that make a home charger unnecessary; a convenience perhaps but not a necessity.
BTW, i can say for certain that for me the lack of a screen directly in front of me was not be an issue after the first fifteen minutes of driving. and yes, the stark, minimalist interior, even for a minimalist is a bit OTT. looks like it might have been designed by a max von planck or robert oppeheimer.
The EV6 is one of the best looking EVs available. The Tesla Y is possibly the worst. Horrific design.
The issue is there still is a migration factor for a huge pie of customers.
The 1st impression is their best impression and to be frank the Tesla gives some f worst 1st impressions.
Coupled with some serious built quality issues like squeaky doors, rattly parts.. Some will be put off easily.
Please understand that more than 100 years of exp of Ford, VW cannot b slacked off easily.
They do know a word or 2 on how to make cars.. Not tech machines maybe
Totally agree with the verdict
Y’all do a good job at reviewing vehicles! Way better than say CAR WOW! they always, always make their reviews a tie or close to a tie and it’s annoying. You guys make actual comparisons and they are all valid. Excellent, just excellent
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I completely agree with you guys; the Mustang is by far the most interesting option here. I'm personally excited about the future of EVs, but automakers really need to get away from this styling language that looks like it was made for a film adaptation of 1984.
Are you going to buy a Mustang Mach E?
I agreed with most of what they said, but when they say go with the Tesla for the better range, then I have to respectfully disagree. Look at range of each in real world testing. The Ford has better range when tested, no questions. Ford under promised but over delivers on its mileage calculations. Tesla over promised but under delivers. So says Edmunds, Alex on Autos and Kyle, professionals who each performed real world testing and gave the nod to the Mustang as having the longest range.
And if sporty handling and drivability is your most important factor, then I say go with the Mustang Mach E GT PE with Magna Ride suspension. Neither Tesla or the VW have that. It makes a huge difference.
The one big advantage of the Tesla is its nationwide charging structure, but I believe the others will catch up fast and sooner rather than later. Also, the vast majority of EV owners do their charging at home. No matter what EV you pick, its pretty cool to have a charger in your garage which pumps electrons into your car while you sleep. How many ICE owners have a gas pump in their garage?
The mach-E is the most interesting option here, sure, but it's still shitty at best from an enthusiast perspective. EV's will always be appliances, they will never have character. Are you young? I genuinely can't comprehend how anybody is excited for this future.
@@jamesseay9943 I thought the Teslas were pretty true to their range estimates?
I'm not sure I agree on the charging infrastructure. I mean it's cool that you can charge 'anywhere', sure, but for most people the main benefits of EV's is the cost, and if you rely on the infrastructure (specifically supercharging) then the cost becomes not great, they rape you in terms of cost to supercharge your car. When fuel prices are low it's more expensive to charge L3 than fill with gas. Maybe it's different now that gas prices are so high, but when they'relow there isn't a huge difference in cost between gas & electric (obviously maintenance aside). When you charge at home however, it generally decimates the cost of gas.
So IDK, if you rely on supercharging in the EV infrastructure you get reamed and pay near gas prices. I wouldn't buy an EV unless I planned on relying almost entirely on 110v or 220v garage power and only charging at a power station in an emergency or if I wanted some peace of mind, and I'd think other people may feel the same.
That being said, their whole nav bit, where you can do road trips and it factors the charging stops and how long into each leg of the trip is pretty badass.
@@MrSlowestD16 . Come for a ride in my Plaid and tell me it’s an appliance. 0-60 in about 2 seconds. It will beat any production gas car in the world. 9.2 ish in the quarter mile. Live with a Tesla for a week and I guarantee, you will be blown away. It was like going from my Nokia dumb phone to my first iPhone.
I'm pretty excited for EVs. Not great everything is a CUV at the moment but that seems to be changing. Glad to see more non-Teslas. Hopefully that'll make charging infrastructure improve. It's terrible in the UK
Drone shots had me google map searching the main cities in Colorado, haha! Boulder looks wonderful.
I own both, a Tesla and the Mach-e. There is so much you guys have not covered. Your review does not translate to real life applications. My Tesla (with new refresh) feels built better, no rattles and solid. My Mach-e has rattles, the software is slow and the car takes much longer to charge. Although I love Ford, the Mach-e is still far behind..
How anyone could drive a junk car like that is beyond me
The Mach e is a pos! Tesla has their woes but now they’re much much better!
@@festuspunky electric cars are very inefficient with heavy toxic batteries produced with standard energy resources.
@@lindensd6273 soooo, you think EV’s are WORSE for the environment???
@@MOTILAC It is factual, yes.
The range anxiety is . . . exaggerated. As a dude who's daily-driven an EV for 3 years (Bolt), I've only experienced it once or twice--including numerous road trips.
Big facts. Range anxiety was the biggest reasons it took me so long to buy an EV. I’ve owned a model s for 5 years. I’ve driven the car from Florida to Cali and back 4 times. I’ve never once experienced range anxiety. It’s by far the most over exaggerated ev “problem”.
Very well-done, guys. Fascinating vehicles. Fascinating future.
My 2022 BRZ should arrive in April.
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Tesla may make a more technically advanced car, but their nearest outlet is 317 miles away from me. The nearest Tesla charger is 50 miles away.
My local Ford dealership is 3 miles away. If I had to get either one today I’d buy the Mach-E for that reason. As things stand I have my eye on replacing my 2004 Chevy Silverado with a Ford Lightning.
I’m retired, my need for a truck isn’t that great now, but I still like the room (I’m 6’5”) in a truck and the way one drives. I know the push is on towards electrification. I will still keep an ice vehicle for the few longer road trips I make.
Love the y performance compared to my 2017 gt350 I traded in. It has more torque and much faster and more fun than all the 8 stangs I have owned.No regrets!
A Pinto in the 70s was called a Mustang, so it’s not too much of a stretch calling that EV a Mustang.
It also looks like a Mustang. At least as much as the Y looks like a 3.
No it wasn’t. The original Mustangs were built from the Falcon platform. This was from 1964 1/2 until 1968. Starting with 1969 it had its own platform. The Pintos had their own uni-body platform.
@@fensterlips Dude, the Mustang II and the Pinto were platform-mates.
Well, they did a pretty good job. I had a 75 Mustang II and I had friends who were relegated to Pintos and they couldn't have felt and looked more different
@@fensterlips We shopped between a Mustang II and a Mercury Capri and chose the West German built Capri. That car was far superior to the Mustang II. It was a looker, the interior was attractive, it was fairly quick back in the day, handled well despite the solid rear axle and it was VERY reliable without any quality issues (2.0 liter four). This is the car the Mustang II SHOULD have been.
Great review 👍🏻
Both the ID.4 and the Mach-E were very close in my thinking, but I ultimately decided on the AWD ID.4. I just have a bit more of a European bent when it comes to cars, I suppose.
The mach-e was at a disadvantage with my memories of nightmarish Ford buttons and unnecessary glitz and middle-america gadgetry in many previous models. The Mach-E felt a bit overbuilt in terms of component upsizing to make-up for deficiencies. I didn't want to spend the money when I knew full well that in ~5 years or so EVs will go through another two major generational shifts in battery technology. We'll be replacing my wife's vehicle about then.
I'm old enough now that I don't really feel the need to go 154 mph down I-5 at 2am in the morning any more. Comfort is important. Design is important. Build quality is important. My family comes from a sports-car background, so decent responsiveness and acceleration is important. But it doesn't have to ride low and it doesn't have to be as sporty as I would have required in past years. Ridiculous acceleration (aka Tesla) is not important.
I was never much interested in the Tesla (despite being a techie, the build quality, ride, and a host of other factors made it a no-go for me). I don't like locked-in ecosystems for anything, and I really hate the whole concept of software locks on hardware that is perfectly capable of doing something just to squeeze more money out of customers. Like for example, when during recent hurricanes Tesla 'unlocked' features for drivers in those zones that should have never been locked in the first place. It just bent me the wrong way. Throw in the poor build quality and horrid interior and it was just never in the running for me.
So I put in the reservation well over a year ago for the AWD ID.4 and only just recently took delivery. And I'm very happy with that choice.
Now the ID.4's software and capacitive button quirks are well documented on countless respected youtube channels, but they were never bad enough to change my choice. As an owner, I can reiterate that view. Sure, I have a long wish list of fixes I'd like VW to make. But none of them are show-stoppers. Just little annoyances. Clearly Tesla's software and its software engineering update cycles are far superior. The other car makers are still in the stone-age and need to play catch-up. I'm willing to give VW the time to work through the quirks. The capacitive buttons aren't all that bad... some work extremely well, such as the volume and temperature controls and the skylight curtain slider. Others, not so well. Not unusable, just not as convenient as they should be. Quirky :-)
I would say that really... between the AWD and the RWD ID.4, its gotta be the AWD ID.4. The extra power and regen makes a for a completely different driving experience. Instead of feeling a bit underpowered with the RWD, the AWD feels like it has that little bit of extra that you usually don't need to dip into. The regen braking is far better (it still doesn't come to a complete stop but two motors doing regen is a big deal). It doesn't feel sludgy off the mark. It accelerates through turns very nicely. It is clear that VW's hardware and engineering is up to the task so a few software cycles (assuming they can pull that off) will probably be a game-changer for anyone still on the fence.
I don't need a Frunk. I don't even WANT a frunk. There is plenty of cargo space, I don't need more. I love the ID.4's interior spaces, particularly the night lighting. The LED headlights (etc) are to die for. Really well done, I didn't even realize the headlights were following my turns it was so smooth! Yah, I got the full package. I love the exterior look, particularly at night. VW has done a slam-bang job in my view.
Of course, everyone will have their own opinions and their own picks. Those are mine. It would be a dull world if everyone thought in lock-step :-).
-Matt
Very cool to read your perspective, Matt. Thanks for sharing and we're glad you like your ID4.
Just got around to watching this. Great comparison! It pointed out features that most people look for when buying a new car like build quality, comfort, how it drives, and appearance. However, this comparison did not get into the charging characteristics. Having owned an EV, I found the charging characteristics to be more important than range. When you factor in the charging ability of each car, whether or not you are able to charge at home, and the reliability and speed of the Level 3 charging networks, selecting the right EV becomes a bit more difficult.
Hi guys. Thanks for the review, nicely done. One thing that totally escaped your review was Practicality. I'm thinking luggage space, dog space, golf club space etc. In this area the Tesla is approx. 40% bigger (and more usable) than both of the competition. For me having that space is such a great thing it tilts the buying decision in Tesla's favour.
in my view - i think these people are Americans and tesla biased in their personality, hence FORD is first. and also the way he says "tesla pulled it off but they are charging more for less quality product as they are not experienced car manufacturer" also points to the same. you don't look for sweetness in lemons, similarly you should not look for muscle car/mustang like personality in EVs. frankly i am not an EV car owner or tesla fan, this is just an opinion based on the video.
Well I'm thinking you better go in to the witness protection program after to your burner phone comment 😂 about the Tesla
Tesla owners are so sensitive. I understand that they love their cars. Many people love their cars. But it seems to go over the top. When someone criticizes a Tesla, it’s like someone insulted their mother. What’s with that? It goes far beyond even the Camaro vs Mustang rivalry. These folks take it PERSONALLY, it seems
Super review …trusted . Informative
Do you think the AWD ID4 (with nearly 300hp) would change the ordering?
It should, should go in last place.
Let's see how long the Ford and VW hold up. Being the first build, they are bound to have problems. I agree that fit and finish are not great with my Model Y but, they were fixed the first day. I've had it for a year now coming from a Lexus RX350F which I really liked. I have to say, I would not go back to the Lexus or any ICE car. I do agree that I would love to see a heads up display and my wife would really love an O'Shit handle because the car is so damn fast. I've grown accustom to the minimalist interior now and use the auto drive more and more. Touching the wheel every 30 seconds is still better than having to steer the car for long periods of time on a long trip. It doesn't handle great but, it is still as good as my Lexus RX350F was. The charging network and software are leaps and bounds above the competition. I have only on 2 occasions had range anxiety because I forgot to charge my car. If you drive around town like a normal person, you will get the mileage or maybe more. Freeway over 70, mileage drops off about a 3rd. Using the Tesla Superchargers take about 15 to 30 minutes depending on the charge you need and they are everywhere. The Tesla comes with entertainment options while you wait or you can just go grab a snack and by the time you return, you will be ready to go. As far as styling, I still think the Y is a much better looking vehicle than the other two. I've leased and owned multiple different brands of cars over the past 30 years, and I can honestly say that the Tesla is my favorite of all of them.
Very nice review. Love you guy's.
Your commentary is HILARIOUS!!!! Thank you for sharing these insights! Mustang Mach E it is!!!
I’m really excited for, and am very interested in the upcoming Cadillac Lyriq. It is the only electric car that makes me go “wow! I want one of those!” And I really do want one. It is a beautiful looking thing both on the exterior and interior, it’s an achingly gorgeous car. The grill on the front of it is made up entirely of lights, which means that unlike a Tesla it actually looks like a car we grew up with, yet it’s still modern and forward looking. And on the inside, it’s still a Cadillac. It’s got beautiful wooden trim, a panoramic sunroof, and All four seats in it are heated, cooled, and even have massage settings. I absolutely love the Lyriq and I really want one.
dont be surprised if it hits the market at $85 (well equipped)
@@mikebitz7034 actually I won’t be surprised if they sell for 100k
Good luck. They are only making a handful. Let's also hope they don't spontaneously imolate themselves like the 21st century Pinto (Bolt)
I really hope this is a joke, but you do you
@@nifty6486 what’s wrong with liking a Cadillac?
Why does this sound and feel like a commercial .
great vid lads thoroughly enjoyed it....
Thank you!
Love the video. Confused on the worry that all EVs will drive the same because of the battery placement. For about 50+ years of internal combustion, 99% of cars are similar: gas tank in the back, engine up front, driving either the front or rear wheel., However, almost all cars drive different.
Fair point, but consider that engine placement, it's center of gravity, as well as the placement of the gas tank and many other packaging variables result in ICE cars all having slightly different weight balance. Most EVs are the same heavy panel at the same place in the floor. Thanks for watching!
Soooo when are you guys reviewing the Taycan? We're all waiting!
Kudos to the model Y, i've driven one and i thought it was awesome. That said, I also drove the Mach E, - no, it's not a mustang. BUT, I wound up going with the Ford. The interior was so, so much nicer than the Y, and while performance wasn't, it was 90% there. Again, both great cars but Ford really knocked this one out of the park.
Yeah, I also went with Mach E. Model Y is ok, Tesla charging network is great. But I don't plan for any long road trip, so charging network is no use for me. If I ever want a long road trip with my family, i'd rather rent a 3 row gas SUV. The last thing you want on a road trip is kids crying in the back seat and you have to wait 30 minutes for charging. I prefer Mach E interior is the decision point.
I came to the same decision. Chose the MME over the Tesla Y, this despite being a Tesla 3 owner. Love the MME
After driving them all I was pleasantly surprised by the Mach E,,,,,it was my choice as well.
Nothing abt the ID4?
@@DaddyC445 🤮
This is the best comparo video BY FAR. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed this and found it helpful. Thanks for watching!
Great and fair test, I’ve enjoyed it, thanks (ID.4 owner). Only one thing: the ID.4 is far cheaper.
After sales taxes and government rebate it's somewhere between 15K and 20K. I drove Model Y and ID4. Ended up with ID4 didn't feel Model Y was worth the difference.
DRUM brakes?!!!
We are going for an EV for our daily and the Mustang is definitely our preferred choice. Styling and comfort win for us. My wife and I both test drove the Tesla. Love the performance. But honestly, we can’t live with that design and poor quality feel for the money they want. And it looks incredibly dated. like a grandpa-mobile
Yes drum brakes on the rear axle. Much better suited for electric cars that basically don't use the rear brakes because they don't rust. Braking performance is as good as discs, don't worry
Yeah the Tesla is a pretty bad car… If it was half the price, then it would make a very good cheap bargain vehicle for budget-minded people. At this price point however, you must be buying it out of spite or some ego thing.
The Model Y was designed with a crayon
@@computercrack appreciate the insights! 👍🏻
Drum brakes can last much longer in cold climates where they salt the roads. Remember unless you drive aggressively, the brakes are hardly used, causing disks to rust.
Great review, fellas. Agree that Ford has nailed it with the Mach-E. The Maverick is also a clear winner 🏆
Ford is surprisingly doing a lot of things right. The Mach e, the maverick. The electric ford f150
Ford interiors are still crap. This really lets the Mach E down, trypical American laziness.
Great review! When are you guys going to do something with electrified sedans (which includes the Lucid Air)?
You guys needed to talk more about tech as perspective. I have 2019 Ford… dealers can’t find the faults but constantly check engine light comes on! One less problem with EVs… it’s the future!
They still have a check engine light 😆
Great comparison - and fully agree with the outcome. I do believe that VW is going to be a winner with next iterations. They do know how to build the Peoples Car and through the cousins (Audi + Porsche) new technology will come down to the masses - fast. And creating a UI is a lot easier than building quality cars......
Not biased at all…
Mach-E easily the best looking! If I was in the market would definitely get a Mach-E GT
Are you going to do the new ID4 with dual motor and AWD?
Great review. Makes one think. Without a doubt electrics coming. 44,000 minus soon to be Federal tax credit of 7,500 = 37,000 for cheapest. What I fear happens to people that need to buy vehicles less than 30,000 or God forbid 25,000? Are we leaving them out in cold?
Teslas work because infrastructure, and because most people buying them are the leading edge of technology class and probably can afford even a second car. The rest of population have a huge reckoning when electric is their first and lack Tesla fans commitment and infrastructure and funding.
I was waiting to see what the Build Back Better was going to offer as incentives to EV purchases. Looking (at the time) low/mid-40's for the Model 3 Long Range, minus $7,500 which would have put me in the mid/upper 30's, just a little more then we paid for my wife's van in 2017. But then Tesla did the most Tesla thing ever and jacked their prices up so it is almost the same net to me (I would have to make large sacrifices in order to make the payments) .
Remember that Tesla dropped their prices after they no longer qualified for the last Subsidy. As soon as the new one was getting ready yo pass the house, they hit the Model 3 for +2K and then +1K. Of course demand is up for their vehicles so the law of supply and demand says that the prices need to go up.
I think that the government would do better telling the manufacturers/dealers that they can sell the vehicle for X dollars and have the buyer go online and fill out the documents with the government and then have the vehicle delivered to the dealer for the purchaser to pick up. This would ensure that price structing is fare for the buyer and the buyer is restricted on what they can buy as an approved vehicle and all the tax documents would be up to date. Instead a lot of dealers will match what Tesla just did and also jack up their prices. I believe that the dealers are adding an additional $2,500 to every new vehicle because supply is low.
One other negative thing about Tesla, there appears to be some collusion between Tesla and Carvana. Check out the prices for used Tesla and you will see that a used 2018 Model 3 is more expensive than a new Model 3, same with Model Y (which are in a 6 month delay for delivery so that sort of makes sense). Carvana has some real bait and switch things going on. Carvana is listing on EBay and AutoTrader and they are keeping the prices artificially high across every platform. I would love to see in the future what their game is. This is the pump portion of the pump and dump scam.
the incentive should not be on EV purchases, but for companies to build charging networks. That is what is needed to make this conversion to EV use. All the manufacturers like Tesla are doing is jacking up prices so they can pocket the money, not make EV's cheaper/more accessible to ordinary people. They already have profit margins of 30% (they brag about) and yet they have raised prices around $10k on most models in the past year in anticipation of the tax incentives coming.
@@allenbaylus1912 Hope you don't get offended because I just want to voice out my thought on this; When goverment interfere, most of the time its becomes the problem. America became the best country not because of the goverment but because of the private sector being left alone by the goverment. To the extreme, this is the reason why communist countries either ends up as failure or being ruined by a dictator. So let them compete and "we the people" wins and keep the goverment out of this as much as possible.
@@allenbaylus1912 well the Build Back Better plan was killed my Sinema and Manchin, and with the global supply crisis and chip shortage, car prices having been going up exponentially. Since February of last year, a Model 3 SR+ went from $37k-ish to almost $45k.
What's worse is that they're still not even meeting the demand meaning that despite the price increase people are still buying them so there's no incentive for Tesla to lower the prices. Companies like Ford and VW are seeing the same thing and might just do the same thing which would hurt a lot of people in my opinion
@@mjohnsimon1337 Shame on Tesla for jacking their prices up and offsetting the EV Tax Credit and Shame on the two Democrats and all the Republicans for not supporting the future.
Some of the Tesla models are only a month or two delayed. Others are a year out.
For Example Model 3 LR and Performance are March. M3 Standard is June.
Model Y Performance is March and MY LR is June.
Model S Plaid is 4-8 weeks. MS is July.
Model X Plaid is Oct and Model X is Jan 2023.
I am unsure of the waiting time for the Lightning - I know that Ford said that they are planning on making twice as many as they were originally planning on - one would assume that it was due to the high demand if this model.
Who knows for sure when the Silverado EV will be coming out.
Rivian RT1 is due March 22.
Watch Sandy Munro’s TH-cam channel if you want to see an in depth tear down and technical review of these evs. The tesla gets top marks. The mach e gets criticized heavily for its battery cooling system’s overly complicated design and potential for leaks because of all the components and hoses (and added weight). Ford still has one foot in the past.
Sandy is in bed with Elon Musk. He’s not gonna say anything bad about the Tesla. His input is irrelevant to 99% of EV buyers.
@@DeniJasmina
He was a tesla bear years ago...
Sandy is a damn fool
What town was this filmed in? It's quite quaint. Love all the red brick.
First time viewer. Great channel. Refreshing.
It is always difficult for someone who has spent their time in one technology to review a shift. I remember people reviewing the iPhone and criticizing the lack of keyboard, lack of a pullout antenna and how dirty the screen will be after a days use. I do agree that the build quality on the Tesla is behind the big boys but the speed that is improving is amazing. I also want to differentiate Teslas and Electric cars, one is about a different way of transporting, the other is about a change in power train. Reviewing a Tesla with the rules created over one hundred years will mislead you. Ask yourself, why did Tesla force the industry to change? I don’t think it was about the power train, I think they realized the car as we know it is about to change forever. Keep in mind, we are at the beginning of the new hundred year journey.
I keep tossing that idea around in my mind. The dinosaur was fine until the comet/meteor came and changed everything.
Look at cell phones pre-Apple. Job's designed and assembled it (Samsung copied his idea as he was using them as a supplier at the time). Every phone from then foreword is borrowing from that single idea - that you cant design buttons for a function which has not even been though of yet. And the phone plus the software competed the package.
I spoke with developers back in the day and they said that they like to program for the iOS platform because it had a limited number of variables (processor type, graphic resolutions) and Android was the wild west. Almost 10 years later I am sure that there are a multitude of variables that they hadn't even considered at the time.
Every phone since the iPhone 4 which has been released has been the iPhone killer. Some do an antiquate job of mimicking the function but I have yet to see one which changes peoples perceptions as quickly as the first generations. Everyone else played catch up (they were mostly still making flip phones or the small phones with the rubber antenna bump).
repurposing
I remember many of those enthusiastic in technology seeing the iPhone for the first time realizing it was about to change phones for the better. There was a few that i remember resisting the change, but that was mostly driving by their hatred for Apple at that time.
How sweet is that kool-aid?
As a pure EV play, Tesla was and STILL IS the only EV producer that appears to understand... Charging infrastructure is THE limiting factor in EV growth today. At some point in the future, global lithium supply will become the number one hurdle. How soon???
At this point in my life I just need something to get me from point A to point B. I'll go for the ID 4.
Same here and I got the ID.4 Pro S amazing car you gonna love it
New ID 5 looks good, but VW infotainment looks as shit as the Mach E.
@@sandersson2813 they can update but car is fantastic for roadtrips.
I've put on 13k miles on my FE ID.4 since July '21 and love the car! No issues or major complaints. We should be getting an update late spring early summer with some added features, and potentially getting a vehicle to home (bi-directional) charging, which is awesome!
@@GeordanBrown Do you still enjoy your id4? Any regrets? (I'm looking at a 21)
Great comparison. I've been driving an ID4 for 2 years: (I am not a sporty driver, but not slow either) I like the driving experience. It drives like a VW Passat, a family car. BUT build quality is BAD! In the those 2 years, an arm rest broke of. Passenger window motor broke down and had to be replace. Light-strip on the booth came loose. Still now the center console crashes at least once a month. My car has been serviced in the shop many times (recalls,fixes,updates). The last one, a month ago, it took 4 days for a software update. And when I left the shop, they made me make a new appointment for a new software update this month... And I lost all my settings in the car after this last update... The controls underneath the screen are not lighted so invisible at night. I often have to retry several times to open the car with my key. The remote control (like preheating) from the app often doesn't work. I could go on, but you get the idea. We needed a new car for my wife, so last week we bought a mustang mach e long range RWD. Never an VW ID again. It's ok to drive with but quality is BAD. This is not up to VW standards
Sounds like a lemon. 2 years on an ID4 here and have had not one issue.
I've had many cars over the years, mostly Toyotas since financially they make the sense and they offer the most utility for a family of 5. However, VW/Audi has always been the most enjoyable to drive with the nicest interiors. Even my used Passat GT which was one of the cheapest cars I ever had was an absolute joy. It had everything I really needed, was simply fantastic to drive and was pleasant to be in.
I have a used Etron Tecknik now. It is incredible and easily the most sophisticated and advanced vehicle I've ever had. The interior is light years ahead of anything Tesla has and it has cooling seats, a nice perk you expect from cars this expensive. An air suspension also makes a huge difference in driving feel and adapting to what you're doing. In terms of price, a new Etron would never make sense for me or most people but my used one was 4 years old, had 33,000km and no accidents and I paid less for it then a model 3 or y.
However, I haven't been able to drive it for 6 months (!) because it was t-boned and it takes forever to fix and get parts for an aluminum body.
My main complaint with the Mustang Mach-E is that it's not called the Thunderbird.
Or even E-bird.. it's not a Mustang..
Should of called it the Probe
Able, would be nice 😀
I like Matt Farah's idea that Ford should offer a "Pony Delete" option for the Mach-E which would remove all of the mustang badges. Out of the 3 I like the Ford the most - but would probably end up buying the VW on price point alone.
I think if you want a legitimate breakdown of these vehicles
Check out Sandy Monroe the technical aspects are the real difference in making a decision
Which car is superior
I find Monroe to be too biased for my liking. He liked the VW ID.4's motor and praised German engineering...then proceeded to just trash the car cause it wasn't a Tesla. I find Out of Spec Reviews to be more informative and honest in their comparisons of EV's. Again IMHO.
First off, this was a great comparison video. Considering you were in Boulder, I'm just a little surprised you didn't drive up Boulder Canyon Pkwy or any of the great mountain roads in the area. The video makes it look like you spent most of your time just driving around Pearl St Mall. Show me some of that mountain road carving you guys are great at. Especially show that to me when you're in my neck of the woods.. ;-)
Range anxiety.
Doubtful. There are chargers all over the area.
Or take them out to High Plains Raceway to see if any of them is worth a damn on a track. The trip to Byers and back with track time would be an interesting range test.
And test the new Mustang GT PE with Magna Ride suspension on those twisty roads. It will put the Tesla to shame.
I really like all three of these. My friend has the ID 4 and I like it. Interior is kind of bland but I was impressed with the tech's. I like the many colors of the Mach E and the style. Always been Ford people in my family so that gives a little more bias. But I'd probably go Tesla Y because it's a Tesla. More range and more charging stations, however I'm leaving California soon so I don't know what it will be like in Idaho where they hate EV's. Lol Thank you for the interesting review. I like you guys. Subscribed
Features, implementations, design and build quality clearly vary between manufacturers, models, model years. Unfortunately after a bad meal at a restaurant we likely stay away with a bias. I had Porsche, and VW and never again. I had Ford's and I understand the Mach-e concept and see the reviews. I use an iPhone and have Tesla's and I am not looking back or elsewhere.
There's quite a big price difference between the three cars.
The quality of model 3&Y that I have got from Giga Shanghai are perfect 😊
Which one has the greatest headroom? I'm very tall and this is a go-no go deal breaker for me...
The model Y performance is the best I’ve ever driven! I’m a firm and true believer of tesla! The one pedal regenerative driving is on another level and it’s so smooth!
Mach E looks better though
The Model Y is butt ugly and its build quality sucks, compared to the Mach-E and even to Tesla Model 3. And I used to own a 2020 Model Y, but traded in and now drive an awesome and gorgeous Mach-E GT.
@@TheNature101 congrats on the Mach E! I’ll never buy a Tesla
Have you even driven the other 2 cars? Lol
Wow to hear that Mustang won is shocking. But you guys didn't ever seem to dislike it and for that I can say I'd like to drive it.
Just got one it’s perfect
@Nick Martin my only turn off is the 5 second power cut. How do you feel about it
@@mchenryjeremy the power cut off? I’m not sure what that means🤔
@@nickmartin8495 Ford has only allowed 5 seconds of full power, and then it cuts power. Are you aware of that?
@@mchenryjeremy are you referring to an acceleration cutoff? I haven’t noticed anything like that.. if I am in Unbridled mode (or others) and I step on the accelerator eg when I am passing another vehicle, I don’t notice any drop off in power
Please review the Fisker Ocean
What city is this at?
Thanks for yet another great video. Model Y owner here. You missed talking about one foot driving. I have only tried the Tesla and I love how it brakes when you release the gas pedal. Would be interesting to know if the others have made the same thing. And also: I have owned 3 Teslas. And I love the quality of them. Also what's not mention is that when there is a problem, you just book a service appointment in the App. Add a few photos and Tesla take care of the rest. They are light years before all other brands I used to own (Porsche, BMW and Volvo).
We discussed the 1 pedal driving in the Ford and the VW and compared it to Tesla, who is the standard. Sorry you didn't notice that, but it's in there. And we're thrilled to hear your service experience has been great with Tesla, there are many others (location dependent) that struggle with getting their Tesla serviced. Thanks for watching!
His feelings are hurt.
Which video did you watch?
I have 3 gripes with the Mach E. The performance model power being limited. Charging after 90% on road trips being an issue (watch marques brownie episodes), not having as much space as the Model Y. I own a Tesla Model Y but want other car companies to get better. Not a fan boi
They have already improved the charging speed at higher % with a software update (OTA)
Power even after being limited is in excess of 300hp, so wouldn't call that an issue unless you take your car to a track
Is that Boston where filming is at?
This was filmed in Boulder, Colorado. Thanks for watching!
Great review.
I dunno. I drove the Mach e and the Model Y. The VW isn't a consideration. The Ford is incredibly good. It is more solid than any Ford I've ever been in. But it does't drive as sporty as a base-level Model Y, and much less sporty than the Performance Y. It's also not really a crossover because it's actually lower to the ground than most sedans because of the battery. The interior is very good, but too conventional. The touchscreen graphics are dated and the responsiveness was laggy. The fake engine noise was stupid. The ride of the Y is not as subtle as the Mach e... it's stiff with the standard wheels and downright harsh with the performance wheels. But I completely disagree that it rolls or feels top heavy. Particularly because that's what I thought about the Ford. Makes me wonder what the results would have been if Tesla ran advertising on the MT network. In the end I ordered a Model Y... haven't received it yet. Maybe in February. It's a better crossover, is engineered more intelligently in many ways, performs better and has a vastly better charging network.
Interesting to hear your thoughts. Glad you drove the Ford and Tesla, and congrats on ordering a Y. Otherwise - we're not sure what MotorTrend has to do with our discussion, as we are independent producers on their cable channel - we don't work for them or their advertisers. And we don't accept advertising from any manufacturer. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I love this review! But guys, range and capacity of battery are 2 different things. I'm driving a Nissan Leaf and I can assure you the bigger battery cars act the same, where I can make 180-200km with a full battery driving nicely (and not to fast), to where I can't even do 100km with a full battery speeding on the highway. It's tank size vs. consumption, like with every other car. And I don't see anyone reviewing Golf GTI and saying "it has a 400 miles range..." Tell as the MPG/e and mention the tank size, the range is up to the driver and driving style.
But I love the way you presented everything else.
I could not agree more. I had a Suzuki Kizashi that had a 300 mile tank and no one talked about it that way. My model 3 gets 250 miles and then everyone acts like that would be so hard to live with. It boggles the mind. I explain to non-ev users that I charge at home and I do not do long trips anyways. If you do not do long trips 250 miles is not going to bother you one bit. People have to re-train their brains and understand with EVs you charge at home mostly.
It’s true that the vast majority of charging will be at home or at a charging station close to home. So range isn’t that important in those situations. BUT people also want to take the spontaneous long trip without having check to see if finding a charging station will be a problem. The reason why range isn’t that important for gasoline fueled vehicles is because even on long trips
1. you can find fuel almost anywhere.
2. It takes only a couple of minutes to fill up. So frequent fueling stops don’t add that much time.
Once a person knows that they can find a charging station almost anywhere. And once charging time improves to the point it’s not that much longer than filling up a gas tank, then range will become less of an issue. But for now, it’s an important consideration for those who like to hit the road from time to time.
@@dmandman9 there's still a rental, for those twice in a year roadtrips...
@@anzew88 that sounds good until you realize that 1. Many times rental vehicles are unavailable when you decide to take a trip when everyone else wants to take a trip. I remember having to drive my own car against my desires when I made up my mind at the last minute to take a trip to see a relative when it also happened to be spring break.
2. in the future, Every company claims they will manufacture EV’s exclusively for their passenger vehicles and light trucks. Hopefully, by then charging times, charging infrastructure, and range will allow them to equal the convenience of petroleum fueled vehicles on long trips.
3. Sometimes rental cars are cost prohibitive. Several months ago, the price of a rental car was 3x the normal price. Again, I drove my own. If I’d had to rent, the trip would have been canceled.
@@dmandman9 the infrastructure is deeply bellow where it should be at all fronts, unfortunately. Speaking charging, rentals or maintenance (ICE cars included).
I think you needed to mention the longer range of the Tesla, and the inclution of a heat pump for handlng the colder climates. But good video! :)
What's the name if the town they are driving in?
Awesome reviews. Now who's first to bring back fluid powersteering? The pulley would be residual lost from the amount of torque it's hook at!🤓
At the very least, given the computing power involved, they should be able to replicate the feel of fluid powersteering.
You dont need pulley belt. Gear driven hydraulic pump would do.
i wanted to get a Model Y but the recent price increases have effectively priced me out of the Tesla range and for the money there are just too many compromises for me to justify the pricetag when the Ioniiq5 and EV6 are coming or even the Mach-E
Remember the 7.5K EV credit in 2022
Just sayin’
@@AlanMyronPrivate I thought you can't get this credit for Tesla anymore?
@@AlanMyronPrivate I don't think it's set in stone.
Did anyone else notice the "Tested" and "Base" price of the model Y??
The only way i know of to get more than $10k+ on it is to buy FSD, so it is kinda unfair to hit it on the price
The Mustang does not handle better if fails the moose test it may feel like it handles better but the facts show the Mustang let's go sooner and more completely