Simple math guys. This won't work or the results will be negligible. The opening of the snorkel will still allow the same volume of air into the filter even after cutting off that extra piece. Two words, Japanese engineering. Switching over from the stock filter to something like the DNA may increase airflow through the filter wall and may increase the amount of air used during the intake stroke. The only other way to increase this flow would be to remove the filter completely or add forced induction like a turbocharger or similar. Just do an ECU tune. Best and most reliable way to get more HP.
that extension is probably there to channel moisture/water down and not get the filter moist and clog it... so maybe counterproductive mod in the long run
You might be right about that, I'm sure the engineers at Yamaha had a really good reason for putting it in there. As I mentioned in the video though I was just making a tutorial video about someone's theory in the FZ07 forums about getting a better dyno tune so as stand alone this probably does nothing at all but for someone with aftermarket intake and exhaust and was getting ready to have it tuned this might yield better HP, again just a theory.
Planning on eventually getting this bike. Really like how simple and to the point your video is! Did you notice any difference in your bike? Say, power, throttle response, fuel consumption, or sound? I'm sure you need proper tuning to benefit the most out of it, but just curious as to your personal feel of the bike.
No noticeable difference, not even to the sound. You are correct, you would need a higher flow air filter and exhaust in conjunction with a dyno tune in order to see if this mod helps or not.
I think I read somewhere that the euro version (MT-07) already has a different snorkel on it, why the yank version is different I don't know. you won't see any real performance changes unless you stick it on a dyno to get it remapped.
emission laws in cali are literally the bane to manufacturers for all other states in the US. they have to make specific mods and standards that must pass Cali to be sold here. It doesn't make sense for them to have different bikes for 1 state then another for the other 49 states. its absolutely ridiculous.
nice vid. I did this mod to my bike and I find it's starving for fuel now, there is definitely a little more power top end but I wish I only cut it off half way rather than all off, it's getting too much air now. also not sure if it's related but my O2 sensor crapped out a week after I did the mod
so I found out it wasnt the 02 sensor, my bike engine management system went into shutdown cos it couldn't get enough fuel in to compensate for the extra air. I have a LAMS MT07 (learner restricted) where as your American FZ07 (unrestricted) seems to be ok. the only way to safely do it to an MT07 LAMS would be to get the engine re-mapped. I assume the MT07HO (high output) would be fine too
It can actually be related.... the mixture is going lean thus getting higer exhaust tempratures increasing wear and operating temprature of the 02-sensor
@@TMVGarage yes im getting the feeling of that to. and even some dyno shops recomends pulling the snorkel out but leaving the cover on as they say it doesnt encrese the hp but in my brain it would make more sense that a bigger air intake holde would take in more air and increse horsepower but what do i know... im not the one with the dyno and charts.
That's a quality question actually, thank you. Without actual dyno testing I don't actually know what the pro's and con's are. The idea is that you will have a little better air flow without completely removing the snorkel.
@@JT7POV I did not notice any change from doing this. I was just showing how I would do this mod based off of a post I saw in a forum that talked about doing this in addition to other mods like a custom exhaust ect... while dyno tuning for overall performance.
all the bikes run on the rich side to be safe. AND they run even richer the higher you go on premium fuel. my MT07 91RON (87 fuel in the states) runs PERFECT with a K&N. if I run the 95RON (89 fuel in states) it runs at 12:1 fuel if I run 98RON (93 in the states) it runs almost 10.9:1 runs WAY TOO RICH. unless its a R1M or something bikes dont like the super high end fuels Japan doesnt tune them for those fuels. and it shows . I fould plugs if I run anything above the mid grade. and even then I have to flog it get it really hot, run the K&N in it. you waste your cash if you dont have K&N and a reflash to use thos fuels. and you can even wash a lot of fuel into your oil
FYI. The "pockets" with the Yamaha tri-fork logos are the "ram air scoops" the so-called snorkel you just hacked is simple a ducting to get fresh air to blow onto the battery and has nothing really to do with engine air intake.
@@TMVGarage it's good.. there's significant difference between stock and full yoshimura system Will put the snorkel back It's New Zealand LAMS version I'll modify the throttle plate and see this time
For anyone who wants to know. This doesn't increase hp in any noticable way on the HO model. On the lams model for UK and aus. The air filter itself has the bottom section covered so air won't flow through. The Yamaha shop when dyno tuning my bike offered to exactly what was in this video for my lams model with a filter replacement. In hindsight I wish I just done that. Instead I got a DNA 2 stage (filter and top plate). Roughly 200$ Australian Then a dyno tune. No exhaust just stock. 2014 Mt 07 lams - stock with stage two *before dyno* running Lean. 55.09 hp 45.67 ftlbs torque. After dyno 57.90hp and 46.66 ft lbs of torque. Filter and plate $200ish Dyno and removal of the "hidden restrictions in the airbox" with woolich a&f controller $800 This is from a Yamaha dealer. Bike rides better. But it NEEDS an exhaust to see the full benefits. 1000 for a 2hp gain isn't worth it. Now a decent exhaust is another 1400. Tune will be free tho bc I know the dude. Was told I'd see roughly 64-66 hp with exhaust.
that snorkel bit makes the air draw in from the center of the air filter and filter out and into the engine. technically that filter is not even filtering air now. which is why u got more performance. what a silly sausage
ehh no. the air flow through a filter is ONE way. now the air swirls. that is why the snorkel directed it from the bottom of the center ppl do it to R3's as well the longer snorkels help drivability as well. shorter stacks are better for high RPM. longer better for low down due to velocity changes
lol the snorkle you chopped off has the same size of hole that's left in the bit your refitting to the bike..so how does that improve airflow? A: It doesn't! Common sense should tell you that.
Mark Magee , you shouldn't say that when you haven't a clue wat your saying. Obviously the whole is the same size.. the piece he is removing is a sound baffle. The issue is it sits so close to the filter. It goes in deep inside to only leave a 1/4" that air gap between the bottom of the baffle and filter. So air can't get around it. Once around the space between it and the filter is very big small. So it helps a ton.... This is a great mod at no cost.
Your common sense is off then because you still don’t get what the point of doing this is. We dont fucking care about the size of the snorkel hole dumbass! Watch the video again and pay attention little shit
You can also through away your air filter. It will give even more performance. Also for free. Do you think you are smart, and yamaha engineers are stupid?
No, I think the Yamaha engineers do a great job at complying with emissions restrictions. You should probably watch the whole video and make sure you have the sound on too because I clearly said this wasn't my idea. It was something I read about in a forum and I wanted to try.
Remove that entire hose for more power And a super deep growl from the airbox. Rides smoother and sounds sooo much better
For anyone watching this, there's no need to cut the snorkel. It comes out as a single press-fit piece.
hahahaha
and with no tuning you will lose power if you dont tune leave it stock you will have more torqeu
I would change the sprocket at the rear and maybe ta the front for much better power feeling. Works 100%
Simple math guys. This won't work or the results will be negligible. The opening of the snorkel will still allow the same volume of air into the filter even after cutting off that extra piece. Two words, Japanese engineering. Switching over from the stock filter to something like the DNA may increase airflow through the filter wall and may increase the amount of air used during the intake stroke. The only other way to increase this flow would be to remove the filter completely or add forced induction like a turbocharger or similar.
Just do an ECU tune. Best and most reliable way to get more HP.
that extension is probably there to channel moisture/water down and not get the filter moist and clog it... so maybe counterproductive mod in the long run
You might be right about that, I'm sure the engineers at Yamaha had a really good reason for putting it in there. As I mentioned in the video though I was just making a tutorial video about someone's theory in the FZ07 forums about getting a better dyno tune so as stand alone this probably does nothing at all but for someone with aftermarket intake and exhaust and was getting ready to have it tuned this might yield better HP, again just a theory.
Moist
Planning on eventually getting this bike. Really like how simple and to the point your video is! Did you notice any difference in your bike? Say, power, throttle response, fuel consumption, or sound? I'm sure you need proper tuning to benefit the most out of it, but just curious as to your personal feel of the bike.
No noticeable difference, not even to the sound. You are correct, you would need a higher flow air filter and exhaust in conjunction with a dyno tune in order to see if this mod helps or not.
Perdonami, su una moto di serie solo con scarico After market , con catalizzatore e db killer, ha un miglioramento fare questa modifica?
to me works, in my mt07 2016 with new air filter
Quick question, will it make a difference if i install the dna filter and do an ecu flash\pcv without aftermarket exhaust? Thanks from Holland
I think it would be hard to find fuel map for that setup. Say hi to Holland for me ;)
The main difference would be that installing a bug filter instead of air filter will damage your engine and rob you of HP and torque as the result.
Hi dude! How mutch better performance did you get. Was it higer top speed and accselleration? or just noise?
Nothing, I've never tried to find top speed ever so I don't know and makes no difference in sound.
I think I read somewhere that the euro version (MT-07) already has a different snorkel on it, why the yank version is different I don't know. you won't see any real performance changes unless you stick it on a dyno to get it remapped.
emission laws in cali are literally the bane to manufacturers for all other states in the US. they have to make specific mods and standards that must pass Cali to be sold here. It doesn't make sense for them to have different bikes for 1 state then another for the other 49 states. its absolutely ridiculous.
Any difference before the removal of the pipe? do you need to reprogram the computer (ECU)? Different noise? Thanks!
Nothing noticeable since everything else is stock.
TMV what if u were to have the full akra Exhuast as well would it make a difference then ?
Did you feel any in the performance of the bike?
Not at all.
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nice vid. I did this mod to my bike and I find it's starving for fuel now, there is definitely a little more power top end but I wish I only cut it off half way rather than all off, it's getting too much air now. also not sure if it's related but my O2 sensor crapped out a week after I did the mod
Oh that sucks, Ive put 9000 miles on mine with no issues.
so I found out it wasnt the 02 sensor, my bike engine management system went into shutdown cos it couldn't get enough fuel in to compensate for the extra air.
I have a LAMS MT07 (learner restricted) where as your American FZ07 (unrestricted) seems to be ok.
the only way to safely do it to an MT07 LAMS would be to get the engine re-mapped.
I assume the MT07HO (high output) would be fine too
Wow, that is really good information for people to know, thank you for posting that here!
It can actually be related.... the mixture is going lean thus getting higer exhaust tempratures increasing wear and operating temprature of the 02-sensor
YOU CAN JUST PUL THE HOLDE SNORKEL OUT OF THE COVER. but wil it be bad if it starts to rain ?
It’s pretty well covered by the gas tank and plastics, I don’t think much rain can get in there.
@@TMVGarage yes im getting the feeling of that to. and even some dyno shops recomends pulling the snorkel out but leaving the cover on as they say it doesnt encrese the hp but in my brain it would make more sense that a bigger air intake holde would take in more air and increse horsepower but what do i know... im not the one with the dyno and charts.
Lol yeah
Heating up the plastic a little will help! Easier to cut and a smoother edge!
Shouldn't the air intake mouth be facing forward, towards the fuel tank? That's how it looks like a shark's fin!
Y eso para que sirve ?
Se supone que para ayudar con la afinación una vez que tenga un filtro de aire después del mercado y el escape.
Hows the bike now? Still running okay?
Ya man, its runs just like stock still.
TheMotorcycleVlogs / TMV
I'm going to cut mine next week. The piece is way too restrictive. It's been causing my bike to die/ stall on idle.
so have you notice a differnce in performance?
Nothing that noticeable, the snorkel mod is mostly meant to come into play with a high flow air filter and high flow exhaust when dyno tuning.
Like your honesty 👍
Thanks, I try
surely a stupid question for you, what's the use of cutting the snorkel? what are the strengths and weaknesses of this modification? sorry ignorance
That's a quality question actually, thank you.
Without actual dyno testing I don't actually know what the pro's and con's are. The idea is that you will have a little better air flow without completely removing the snorkel.
TMV so you don't have a speed sound improvement?
@@JT7POV I did not notice any change from doing this. I was just showing how I would do this mod based off of a post I saw in a forum that talked about doing this in addition to other mods like a custom exhaust ect... while dyno tuning for overall performance.
I'd imagine you also had your ECU retuned for the higher air mixture. Otherwise you're just running lean
all the bikes run on the rich side to be safe. AND they run even richer the higher you go on premium fuel.
my MT07 91RON (87 fuel in the states) runs PERFECT with a K&N. if I run the 95RON (89 fuel in states) it runs at 12:1 fuel if I run 98RON (93 in the states) it runs almost 10.9:1 runs WAY TOO RICH. unless its a R1M or something bikes dont like the super high end fuels Japan doesnt tune them for those fuels. and it shows . I fould plugs if I run anything above the mid grade. and even then I have to flog it get it really hot, run the K&N in it.
you waste your cash if you dont have K&N and a reflash to use thos fuels. and you can even wash a lot of fuel into your oil
I have read on many places that the MT/FZ 07 runs lean from factory.
It runs rich ive dyno tuned 2.
Do you recommend tuning ECU after switching to a new exhaust? Not slip-on.
Freddy yes 100% I recommend ecu tuning with 0 upgrades.
FYI.
The "pockets" with the Yamaha tri-fork logos are the "ram air scoops" the so-called snorkel you just hacked is simple a ducting to get fresh air to blow onto the battery and has nothing really to do with engine air intake.
Are you being serious right now?
TheMotorcycleVlogs / TMV
I'm super serial
Hahahahahahahaha, nice!
Has full yoshimura exhaust...today I removed the snorkel completely.
Felt less powerful after removing
May be needs remapping again
It probably does need remapping. How do you like the yoshi otherwise?
@@TMVGarage it's good.. there's significant difference between stock and full yoshimura system
Will put the snorkel back
It's New Zealand LAMS version
I'll modify the throttle plate and see this time
For anyone who wants to know.
This doesn't increase hp in any noticable way on the HO model.
On the lams model for UK and aus. The air filter itself has the bottom section covered so air won't flow through. The Yamaha shop when dyno tuning my bike offered to exactly what was in this video for my lams model with a filter replacement. In hindsight I wish I just done that.
Instead I got a DNA 2 stage (filter and top plate).
Roughly 200$ Australian
Then a dyno tune.
No exhaust just stock.
2014 Mt 07 lams - stock with stage two *before dyno* running Lean. 55.09 hp 45.67 ftlbs torque.
After dyno 57.90hp and 46.66 ft lbs of torque.
Filter and plate $200ish Dyno and removal of the "hidden restrictions in the airbox" with woolich a&f controller
$800
This is from a Yamaha dealer.
Bike rides better. But it NEEDS an exhaust to see the full benefits.
1000 for a 2hp gain isn't worth it.
Now a decent exhaust is another 1400. Tune will be free tho bc I know the dude.
Was told I'd see roughly 64-66 hp with exhaust.
Thanks for commenting, we all now gain from your research at least.
fk this let's turbo it
+cloud chaser Nah, at that point you might as well just get a FZ10
that snorkel bit makes the air draw in from the center of the air filter and filter out and into the engine. technically that filter is not even filtering air now. which is why u got more performance. what a silly sausage
ehhh no.Trust me the air is still 100% going through the air filter.
ehh no. the air flow through a filter is ONE way. now the air swirls. that is why the snorkel directed it from the bottom of the center
ppl do it to R3's as well the longer snorkels help drivability as well. shorter stacks are better for high RPM. longer better for low down due to velocity changes
Why want more performance on a fz07? Think it's a fun bike already. 3hp gain no different.
The engineers at yamaha do everything for a reason there not dumb there alot smarter than you if it ain't broken leave it alone
Good way to cut your leg in a very bad place.
If your gonna be stupid hope your strong.
all you had to do was remove the snorkel LMAO
lol the snorkle you chopped off has the same size of hole that's left in the bit your refitting to the bike..so how does that improve airflow? A: It doesn't! Common sense should tell you that.
Mark Magee , you shouldn't say that when you haven't a clue wat your saying. Obviously the whole is the same size.. the piece he is removing is a sound baffle. The issue is it sits so close to the filter. It goes in deep inside to only leave a 1/4" that air gap between the bottom of the baffle and filter. So air can't get around it. Once around the space between it and the filter is very big small. So it helps a ton.... This is a great mod at no cost.
Your common sense is off then because you still don’t get what the point of doing this is. We dont fucking care about the size of the snorkel hole dumbass! Watch the video again and pay attention little shit
You can also through away your air filter. It will give even more performance. Also for free.
Do you think you are smart, and yamaha engineers are stupid?
No, I think the Yamaha engineers do a great job at complying with emissions restrictions. You should probably watch the whole video and make sure you have the sound on too because I clearly said this wasn't my idea. It was something I read about in a forum and I wanted to try.