@@AW33COM they are essentially the same car. My son preferred the 86 because the front (face) has a meaner more aggressive look and he also liked the duckbill spoiler on the 86.
@@AW33COMBRZ has a little bit different dampers and springs, and it has rear sway bar mounted on the chassis, so it drives little bit more serious, GR86 is more tail happy as BRZ. BRZ has aluminium lighter turns on front axle. But that differences are small. Depends on your son, what he prefer
I think as long as you aren’t lookin to track the car, the 86 would be a very good choice for the price. Otherwise, Type R all the way even though it is much more expensive. Much more reliable, almost 50% more power, AWD, better brakes, better suspension, better gearbox, it’s kinda a no brainer. And it looks way cooler in my opinion but that’s subjective. All this being said I am likely going to get a GR86 as long as nothing happens in a few years.
GR86 BABY!!! We have one, and it's super badass. They're both great cars, but RWD is a whole different thing. Tint takes care of any glare, and we had that done the first week. We had the whole nose and a few other parts wrapped in clear film, too. Mirror caps and touch zones on the rear spoiler. It's always fun and doesn't hesitate to overtake and pass in traffic. BUT, it is nice to have 4 doors and more space.😅😂😊
To all people that are car lovers: take my advice. Dont waste time with FWD! Just dont. Whats gonna happen is that you're gonna want more power and after about 400hp fwd is annoying as hell. Fwd tire life is about 3 months with Summer tires and you still wont hook. Suspension geometry gets wacky and you'll need stiff motor mounts which increases nvh. Dont get me wrong, I love a good Civic type R and Elantra N but torque steer drives me nuts. Ive had all platforms with decent power. Fwd is just a no go for sports cars. It took me 15 years to finally concede to this fact. So all you young kids and all others please go either Rwd or Awd. Thank you!
I’ve owned both and currently own the GR86. Overall the Type R is better, but the GR86 is still a lot of fun. Give the 86 a turbo from the factory and I’ll take the 86 all day
GR86 all day.. not that the CTR would be a poor choice but as much as I love my GRC, simple lightweight RWD has a feeling that can't be replicated. My father, son and I are still waiting for a lightly wrecked 86 either first or second gen and throwing in a 3UZ 😅
@@garethhoffmann9046 lol well 3UZ is a 4.3 L Toyota/Lexus V8...bjt more than a "mod" but many first gen 86/FRS/BRZ owners have done the swap. I personally owned 2 first gen 86 for 10 years. These cars are best enjoyed stock, or very lightly modded like wheels/tires/suspension/brakes/exhaust, but if you have money and time, plus broken chassis, it is a fun car for an engine swap..
@garethhoffmann9046 Lexus LS430, GS430, SC430 engine it's 300 hp all aluminum lightweight V8 known to go 1 million miles. Not the most powerful but in BRZ would ideal would never blow up
If I had to choose I want the most legit raw driving experience and I’ll choose feel over speed every day. In this comparison I would choose GR86 every time. It’s pure….simple… driving!
As a former civic Si owner and now a brz owner... that RWD does have a thing that makes you feel special. Civic, it's great for every occasion, and now the type R is indeed the king. But i just can't see myself with it anymore. BRZ, on the other hand, it's not as nice to live with, nor it is fast. But, if it comes to shove, I'll pick up the GR86 or BRZ end gen any day over the type R.
I went with the heart. Its fun to drive last rwd like this that will be around. I cram one kid in there somehow but both wont fit. But the plan is to let the kid have it as his first car one day God willing.
You can have the dealership turn off the ASC by hooking it up to their computer or you can spend 5 minutes and DIY it. Pop off the panel on the passenger side by the door and unplug the ASC, zip tie up the cable so it doesn't rattle and voilà, you're done.
@RaitisRides I agree but unfortunately it isn't. Now if an owner happens to have Techstream then they can do it through software on their own. There's also a company that has an OBD dongle that will allow you to turn it off along with a lot of other stuff, mainly it gives you auto locking doors.
The frist 3 things to do to an FL5 to make it the way it should have came from the factory are 1) rear motor mount 2) front resonator delete, 3) drop in filter. These 3 mods make the FL5 feel, and sound damn near perfect.
in my mind, the Si and the 86/BRZ are more in the same class. I'm very happy to say that by the grace of God, loving parents, and some hard work, I've been an owner of a '24 Civic Si for a little over a month now. I'm absolutely over the moon with it, super intuitive handling, enough HP for my first car and to have a little fun, and I'd like to say that your initial coverage of the car in 2022 was a huge pushing point for me to pull the trigger on it Joe.
Having test driven the Gr86, owning a Gt86 in the past and now owning the fl5 ctr...the type r is the most precise machine I've driven. I feel it handles just as well in the corners and has the power to accelerate out of the corners.
Well, I bought the GR86 Trueno in 2024! Such a fun little car! I love the Civic Type-R so maybe that next year! 🙂 Or a C8 as those used prices are falling like crazy!
Ironically fk8 type R, Elantra N and Toyota86/Brz all compete directly against each other in National SCCA Autocross in DS class. They all have strengths and weaknesses….This is a great comparison
I have a GR86 and it is a blast. It is so much fun on a twisty road. It is such a pure driving machine. But it could feel low on power if you like straight line speed. The Type-R is also very special.
As someone who has an FK8 Type-R and a Miata, I love both but if i had to choose, could never give up the power the Type-R has for the 86/BRZ or anything else similar. That’s despite the FWD being considered a disadvantage, the Type-R is still so damn fun to drive.
Good and helpful information on this deep dive. One thing that stands out to me is what a good job the Honda people did in turning a nice economical compact car, the Civic, into a high-performance sports car. The GR 86 is only a sports car. It is ridiculous that you can't just turn off the pumped in noise if you don't want to hear it. If you're spinning, you're not winning your just impressing the wrong people. I've got to remember that Joe.
Thanks for the review! I’ll be in the market next year for a car & the GR86 would be a brand spanking new proposal while I gotta stick to a previous generation FK8 if I want a CTR yet this review is the closest I’ve come across in terms of my current situation so thanks again for that & keep it up!
As a previous owner of the GR86, if you want to turn heads, you get the GR86. They are still rarer than other sportscars (I blame the dealerships) so you'll be noticed more than in a Type R.
Owning a GR86 and a DE5 ITS (same as the FL5 CTR) and I couldn't decide which one is better. They both complement each other's shortcomings. I know one thing... The GR86 will put more smiles on your face per mile driven. I am still deciding if I should supercharge the GR86 to make it faster but not crazy desperate about it. I may just drive up to the end of its factory warranty and then start adding force induction.
I'm with you on the EV thing. The Ionic 5 N is currently the best effort from an EV maker to mimic the sound of an "ice" car. But I'm old school. To me proper driver involvement is the key. Personally, I think Porsche is taking a risk with the EV replacements for the Boxster/Cayman. I don't care if it will do 0-60 at the speed of light. No EV motor can ever replace the melodious sound of a Porsche flat six. Same thing for Lotus. Once they retire the Emira with an EV replacement it will be a sad day.
I'm going to be that guy and say a bmw x40i xdrive. A new gr86 is like 36k around me. Used FK8s are in the 40s. I rather get a bmw with the b58. Faster car with the touch of luxury that makes the daily nicer to drive. You miss the manual but I'm not crazy for one in Boston traffic after driving an 8th gen si in it. The gr86 motor is very limited in power due to the motor, drivetrain, and transmission. The type r is still fwd and it leaves a lot to be desired. Most high hp and high torque civics go awd swap anyways so these cars are really meant to be enjoyed semi stock with not too many power mods.
Choosing between these two is not so easy. Ultimately, I went for an Acura type s (over type r as I could get at list price), but the transmission/powerunit was a big factor in my choice. I just didn’t feel the 86brz flat 4 was special enough. Plus I am lucky to own a Miata as a second car so that factored also. The type s/r is a quite a different beast when you drive it hard being front wheel drive. As Mr. R points out, getting all that power down in 1st gear isn’t straightforward. In fact you have to ease the power in otherwise it will squirm those front wheels, especially on a damp road. Also, if you are really aggressive with the throttle when on the move and those front wheels are not straight you will get a lot of torque steer, which can be a bit unnerving at first. Under normal driving though the Honda hides all these traits very well. IMO If handling/driving dynamics is your main priority go 86brz. If the power train feel/ engineering and some practically is important then go type r/s.
I traded in my FL5 for a GR86 Premium performance pack. I’m so happy with my decision. I don’t want to bash the Type R. It is an awesome vehicle, but it’s a very serious car. It’s not that playful and the FWD just ruined it for me. GR86 is exactly the opposite. So playful, so fun and so much character. Raiti said it, “GR86 is pure, and connected”. 86 is one of the last affordable, lightweight, true sports cars.
If they made the type r rwd problem solved. I have the 86. It is an amazing drivers car but the type r would be a better daily no doubt. I bought it as a shenanigan car. But in hindsight sight, unless you live near twisty roads or have track access get the type r.
Yeah, dawg. After owning my M5 and a monster Srt4 neon, rwd is miles better. People just don't get it. Don't mess with fwd! When you get to about 350-400hp range, fwd causes so many problems that you have to tune for. I spent to much money in fwd especially on tires. No lie, I would burn the front Bridgestones on my fast fwd in 3 months! I learned my lesson.
Thank god 3 weeks in and no gear grind...sometimes going in reverse it feels like it doesn't catch fully but I always re put it in reverse to not have a gear grind. Love my fl5
I ended up with a BRZ. Would had loved a Type R but 10-15k more and no heated seats sucked. Type S is way too expensive, wish Honda didn’t raised the price so much between generations.
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A wise man once said, "Its more fun to drive a small car fast than a fast car slow." GR86/BRZ proves how power isn't the most important thing for a street car.
I say grab the base to premium discounted and enjoy it for what it is. It’s 30-32k and gives thrills worthy of a 15k discount from a TypeR. Or for 35k buy the new Tesla model 3
My BRZ is my stepping stone to Boxster GTS, may be i would still keep one for track. With type R, that's pretty much peak of the FWD. For someone who needs do everything car, type R is great but not for me.
I traded my GR86 on an FL5 and never looked back. The GR86 is a great car, but the FL5 is orders of magnitude better and is one of the best cars I've ever driven.
@@davothegreat9990 Well I was speaking only for myself, however no automatic Mustang is going to touch an FL5 in terms of driving experience and engagement. Autos get boring, even the fast ones.
Remember, you can swap the Acura Integra Type S suspension module which apparently is much better feeling. Speaking of the Acura TypeS I saw one the other day and tbh it makes the TypeR look un-pretty. The typeS has a much better presence IMHO.
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I love that 86 man. I was born in 86 so it makes sense that I should own one.
I have the FL5 CTR and my son just took delivery of his GR86. It’s nice to have both of these cars in the family.
Which one should I get for my son. He wants the BRZ. It's super close to call these 2 on paper at least.
@@AW33COM they are essentially the same car. My son preferred the 86 because the front (face) has a meaner more aggressive look and he also liked the duckbill spoiler on the 86.
@@AW33COMBRZ has a little bit different dampers and springs, and it has rear sway bar mounted on the chassis, so it drives little bit more serious, GR86 is more tail happy as BRZ. BRZ has aluminium lighter turns on front axle. But that differences are small. Depends on your son, what he prefer
GR86 would be more fun imo, type R is a more "serious" car
That is a good way to put it!
I think as long as you aren’t lookin to track the car, the 86 would be a very good choice for the price. Otherwise, Type R all the way even though it is much more expensive.
Much more reliable, almost 50% more power, AWD, better brakes, better suspension, better gearbox, it’s kinda a no brainer. And it looks way cooler in my opinion but that’s subjective.
All this being said I am likely going to get a GR86 as long as nothing happens in a few years.
@@trentmckenzie343 type r is not awd
GR86 BABY!!! We have one, and it's super badass. They're both great cars, but RWD is a whole different thing. Tint takes care of any glare, and we had that done the first week. We had the whole nose and a few other parts wrapped in clear film, too. Mirror caps and touch zones on the rear spoiler. It's always fun and doesn't hesitate to overtake and pass in traffic. BUT, it is nice to have 4 doors and more space.😅😂😊
That is so awesome! Thanks for sharing that ownership input!
Remove the back seat, that's what I did for more space
I'm biased towards rear wheel driving. GR 8ight 6ix all day for me!! Rati's is the #☝️ review channel!! Go Joe!! 😎
Thanks for your vote ED! I appreciate you having my back!
Come on man let's be real everyone is taking the type r over the 86 if priced similarly
@@splashboi898 😆 Not everyone. It's not about money for me either. I drive more for fun. Civics are hard-core competition cars.
I’m into my Gr86 for 44k including the cost of the car. Now that it is supercharged it is faster accelerating than a stock type R.
@user-xb7to4ue1s I know you're killing it having that RWD fun, my man!! 🫡
To all people that are car lovers: take my advice. Dont waste time with FWD! Just dont. Whats gonna happen is that you're gonna want more power and after about 400hp fwd is annoying as hell. Fwd tire life is about 3 months with Summer tires and you still wont hook. Suspension geometry gets wacky and you'll need stiff motor mounts which increases nvh. Dont get me wrong, I love a good Civic type R and Elantra N but torque steer drives me nuts. Ive had all platforms with decent power. Fwd is just a no go for sports cars. It took me 15 years to finally concede to this fact. So all you young kids and all others please go either Rwd or Awd. Thank you!
The 86 is a great car but damn that Type R is just so good in its own class.
Went with FL5 CTR as I needed full access to seats to help transport my parents from time to time.
I’ve owned both and currently own the GR86. Overall the Type R is better, but the GR86 is still a lot of fun. Give the 86 a turbo from the factory and I’ll take the 86 all day
GR86 all day.. not that the CTR would be a poor choice but as much as I love my GRC, simple lightweight RWD has a feeling that can't be replicated. My father, son and I are still waiting for a lightly wrecked 86 either first or second gen and throwing in a 3UZ 😅
Oh wow! Thanks for that insight!
What is a 3UZ? Jusy wondering - I own a '24 model GR 86 and am interested in learning about mods.
@@garethhoffmann9046 lol well 3UZ is a 4.3 L Toyota/Lexus V8...bjt more than a "mod" but many first gen 86/FRS/BRZ owners have done the swap. I personally owned 2 first gen 86 for 10 years. These cars are best enjoyed stock, or very lightly modded like wheels/tires/suspension/brakes/exhaust, but if you have money and time, plus broken chassis, it is a fun car for an engine swap..
@garethhoffmann9046 Lexus LS430, GS430, SC430 engine it's 300 hp all aluminum lightweight V8 known to go 1 million miles. Not the most powerful but in BRZ would ideal would never blow up
Im going to have to go with the 86 just because it looks more sporty and there are many body kits available.
Thanks for sharing your choice Alex
If I had to choose I want the most legit raw driving experience and I’ll choose feel over speed every day. In this comparison I would choose GR86 every time. It’s pure….simple… driving!
Nothing wrong with that what so ever!
I have a 23 FL5 and it makes me smile every time I drive!
As a former civic Si owner and now a brz owner... that RWD does have a thing that makes you feel special. Civic, it's great for every occasion, and now the type R is indeed the king. But i just can't see myself with it anymore. BRZ, on the other hand, it's not as nice to live with, nor it is fast. But, if it comes to shove, I'll pick up the GR86 or BRZ end gen any day over the type R.
brain - get the family car
heart - get the rwd
I went with the heart. Its fun to drive last rwd like this that will be around. I cram one kid in there somehow but both wont fit. But the plan is to let the kid have it as his first car one day God willing.
Civic Type R, baby!
Nice choice David!
You can have the dealership turn off the ASC by hooking it up to their computer or you can spend 5 minutes and DIY it. Pop off the panel on the passenger side by the door and unplug the ASC, zip tie up the cable so it doesn't rattle and voilà, you're done.
It should be just a really simple think from the infotainment system
@RaitisRides I agree but unfortunately it isn't. Now if an owner happens to have Techstream then they can do it through software on their own. There's also a company that has an OBD dongle that will allow you to turn it off along with a lot of other stuff, mainly it gives you auto locking doors.
Yes it’s takes about 2 min to disconnect it, but yes, should be in infotainment so you could switch back on if you wanted it in certain scenarios
The frist 3 things to do to an FL5 to make it the way it should have came from the factory are 1) rear motor mount 2) front resonator delete, 3) drop in filter. These 3 mods make the FL5 feel, and sound damn near perfect.
in my mind, the Si and the 86/BRZ are more in the same class. I'm very happy to say that by the grace of God, loving parents, and some hard work, I've been an owner of a '24 Civic Si for a little over a month now. I'm absolutely over the moon with it, super intuitive handling, enough HP for my first car and to have a little fun, and I'd like to say that your initial coverage of the car in 2022 was a huge pushing point for me to pull the trigger on it Joe.
That is so wonderful! Congrats on your Si!
Having test driven the Gr86, owning a Gt86 in the past and now owning the fl5 ctr...the type r is the most precise machine I've driven. I feel it handles just as well in the corners and has the power to accelerate out of the corners.
Well, I bought the GR86 Trueno in 2024! Such a fun little car! I love the Civic Type-R so maybe that next year! 🙂 Or a C8 as those used prices are falling like crazy!
Ironically fk8 type R, Elantra N and Toyota86/Brz all compete directly against each other in National SCCA Autocross in DS class. They all have strengths and weaknesses….This is a great comparison
Very good analysis Raiti. 👍
That’s really awesome of you to say Chris
I have a GR86 and it is a blast. It is so much fun on a twisty road. It is such a pure driving machine. But it could feel low on power if you like straight line speed. The Type-R is also very special.
As someone who has an FK8 Type-R and a Miata, I love both but if i had to choose, could never give up the power the Type-R has for the 86/BRZ or anything else similar. That’s despite the FWD being considered a disadvantage, the Type-R is still so damn fun to drive.
If you’re ready- I’m Raiti!! Dude. Say it. 😂
I like what you did there!
lol! I say it all the time haha
Rear wheel drive for me all day with GR86 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💯👍🏽
man the FL5 is a BEAST i loved watching you drive it
Good and helpful information on this deep dive. One thing that stands out to me is what a good job the Honda people did in turning a nice economical compact car, the Civic, into a high-performance sports car. The GR 86 is only a sports car. It is ridiculous that you can't just turn off the pumped in noise if you don't want to hear it. If you're spinning, you're not winning your just impressing the wrong people. I've got to remember that Joe.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint on this one. I am glad that you enjoyed it.
You can easily unplug the sound generator (it is behind a panel on the passenger side dash).
hey man, i totally understand your enthusiasm with the gr86. I dont really need another car, but i want this one...
I'd pick the GR86 if it had a Toyota engine. I'll take the Civic R.
That may be happening in the future!
Damn, them exhaust sound hella good. TypeR for the win🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks brother!
If they both had the same Hp, it would be the GR86 all day.
true, but they don't
type r is a high performance sedan
gr86 is budget coupe
For the track is better Type R, but for canyons and normal roads GR86, fun factor and RWD on that car are amazing. FWD is boring for me
I would choose the Honda Civic type r
Nice friend you have there Joe! Would love to have them both! You’re a true enthusiast! Love the channel!👍
That really means so much! Thank you for letting me share my car passion with you!
I love my fl5 type r sm, if I didnt get it then I wouldve resorted to a gr86
Thanks for your thoughts!
Thanks for the review! I’ll be in the market next year for a car & the GR86 would be a brand spanking new proposal while I gotta stick to a previous generation FK8 if I want a CTR yet this review is the closest I’ve come across in terms of my current situation so thanks again for that & keep it up!
I drive with the windows down. Love the sound of the road.
Joe, always enjoy your personal vehicle ride alongs. Hey it appears none of your vehicles have happy tires 😅
You are hilarious! 😂
As a previous owner of the GR86, if you want to turn heads, you get the GR86. They are still rarer than other sportscars (I blame the dealerships) so you'll be noticed more than in a Type R.
Owning a GR86 and a DE5 ITS (same as the FL5 CTR) and I couldn't decide which one is better. They both complement each other's shortcomings. I know one thing... The GR86 will put more smiles on your face per mile driven. I am still deciding if I should supercharge the GR86 to make it faster but not crazy desperate about it. I may just drive up to the end of its factory warranty and then start adding force induction.
why does the GR86 put more smiles on your face versus the Type R?
I'm with you on the EV thing. The Ionic 5 N is currently the best effort from an EV maker to mimic the sound of an "ice" car. But I'm old school. To me proper driver involvement is the key. Personally, I think Porsche is taking a risk with the EV replacements for the Boxster/Cayman. I don't care if it will do 0-60 at the speed of light. No EV motor can ever replace the melodious sound of a Porsche flat six. Same thing for Lotus. Once they retire the Emira with an EV replacement it will be a sad day.
I would say the GR86 because of RWD and manual but that boxer engine scares me so i gotta say Civic type R 🤘
Don't be scared.
Both put a smile on your face but that N/A GR86 is just all around fun and a way better daily driver.
Would love to have both….they drive differently but are complimentary …
It would be a dream garage for sure!
Good luck getting either at Msrp
Honda Civic Type R
The Question is What Engine are Better on the Track to hold less heat , allow more Modified performance parts and tune plus Maintenance Costs
86 without a doubt 🙋♂️
I like the way that you think Eric!
I like toyota but hands down honda civic type R.
I'm currently at a cross roads myself. Both of these cars are a good choice.
You are so very right Wesley! Good luck with your choice!
GR86 , since I have another 4door car, perfect balance 😆
Sounds good to me!
Type R is beautiful car
I’m so glad that you think so!
I'm going to be that guy and say a bmw x40i xdrive. A new gr86 is like 36k around me. Used FK8s are in the 40s. I rather get a bmw with the b58. Faster car with the touch of luxury that makes the daily nicer to drive. You miss the manual but I'm not crazy for one in Boston traffic after driving an 8th gen si in it. The gr86 motor is very limited in power due to the motor, drivetrain, and transmission. The type r is still fwd and it leaves a lot to be desired. Most high hp and high torque civics go awd swap anyways so these cars are really meant to be enjoyed semi stock with not too many power mods.
Great review on both vehicles 👍
Choosing between these two is not so easy. Ultimately, I went for an Acura type s (over type r as I could get at list price), but the transmission/powerunit was a big factor in my choice. I just didn’t feel the 86brz flat 4 was special enough. Plus I am lucky to own a Miata as a second car so that factored also. The type s/r is a quite a different beast when you drive it hard being front wheel drive. As Mr. R points out, getting all that power down in 1st gear isn’t straightforward. In fact you have to ease the power in otherwise it will squirm those front wheels, especially on a damp road. Also, if you are really aggressive with the throttle when on the move and those front wheels are not straight you will get a lot of torque steer, which can be a bit unnerving at first. Under normal driving though the Honda hides all these traits very well. IMO If handling/driving dynamics is your main priority go 86brz. If the power train feel/ engineering and some practically is important then go type r/s.
I traded in my FL5 for a GR86 Premium performance pack. I’m so happy with my decision. I don’t want to bash the Type R.
It is an awesome vehicle, but it’s a very serious car. It’s not that playful and the FWD just ruined it for me. GR86 is exactly the opposite. So playful, so fun and so much character. Raiti said it, “GR86 is pure, and connected”. 86 is one of the last affordable, lightweight, true sports cars.
Thank you for sharing that great ownership experience! I really appreciate it!
Are you not worried about the RTV and quality issues with the gr86?
If they made the type r rwd problem solved. I have the 86. It is an amazing drivers car but the type r would be a better daily no doubt. I bought it as a shenanigan car. But in hindsight sight, unless you live near twisty roads or have track access get the type r.
GR86. RWD just feels different and better
Especially in the twisty bits!
Yeah, dawg. After owning my M5 and a monster Srt4 neon, rwd is miles better. People just don't get it. Don't mess with fwd! When you get to about 350-400hp range, fwd causes so many problems that you have to tune for. I spent to much money in fwd especially on tires. No lie, I would burn the front Bridgestones on my fast fwd in 3 months! I learned my lesson.
The Type R has no comp compared to the 86 but only Raiti can do this 💪
Thank god 3 weeks in and no gear grind...sometimes going in reverse it feels like it doesn't catch fully but I always re put it in reverse to not have a gear grind. Love my fl5
Both great sports cars delivering different experiences but both will be fun and exciting to drive. You cant go wrong with either.
Easy. If you need the practicality of a back seat, the Honda Civic Type R. If you are primarily interested in fun, you get the Toyota GR86.
Great video. I'm going with the 86
I have a new 24 red brz, and my dad has a blue fl5 ctr. We like to drive each others car
GR86 is more fun and looks better. If I had kids I'd get ITS.
I don’t even have to watch the video lol Civic Type R- looks better(in my opinion), more power and has more practical usage with it being a sedan 👍👍
It does not look better...lol.
More money though
@@alabdel1388beauty is always in the eye of the beholder
@@RaitisRides if only the GR86 would finally come from factory with a turbo!
@@RaitisRides I guess the extra money is for the back seats and Honda reliability?
This is no competition. It's the civic type R.
So legendary.
Thanks for your vote!
I ended up with a BRZ. Would had loved a Type R but 10-15k more and no heated seats sucked. Type S is way too expensive, wish Honda didn’t raised the price so much between generations.
CTR all day
And twice on Sunday!
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Love your car video
I seriously can not do it without you
@@RaitisRides Welcome
GR Yaris or GR Corolla for me.
I actually had the same problem with the fl5 transmission but i think its a technique thing and now i can do it quiet swiftly
A wise man once said, "Its more fun to drive a small car fast than a fast car slow." GR86/BRZ proves how power isn't the most important thing for a street car.
I think the Type R looks nicer. And it'll probably be worth more at resale.
I say grab the base to premium discounted and enjoy it for what it is. It’s 30-32k and gives thrills worthy of a 15k discount from a TypeR. Or for 35k buy the new Tesla model 3
I like the way you think except for the Tesla part!
was deciding between the 86 and the fk8. went with the fk8 due to oil pressure problem the 86 has.
Honda needs to bring back the coupes!
GR86 my choice
It is such a great car!
Wheel hopping because it's too tight and front wheel drive. Front wheel drive cars have a tendency to push.
My BRZ is my stepping stone to Boxster GTS, may be i would still keep one for track. With type R, that's pretty much peak of the FWD. For someone who needs do everything car, type R is great but not for me.
I'd go with the Honda.
Sounds great!
Type R!!!!
Great vid!
Any problems with paint chips on the Type R from too thin paint?
Joe and Lori and Steve keep up the good work real true and I love the video 👍
You are the best Dominick!
It ain't a tight car if it ain't a type r.
Where would you place the 2021 STI when compared to these two?
Type R indeed. I have an FRS since 2013 and having a sporty 4 doors is very practical.
This is an excellent point
Civic TypeR awesome
Two great cars
You are so very right about that!
Every time I get in my BRZ (23) it's great fun
That’s an easy one type R for the power GR 86 is nice, but not enough power.
Both thrilling cars I would have both but driving brz instead 😊 and get excited every time I drive and modify it
easy choice for me, Type R
I traded my GR86 on an FL5 and never looked back. The GR86 is a great car, but the FL5 is orders of magnitude better and is one of the best cars I've ever driven.
Wouldn't say best car. Mustang gt 10sp I've driven is the better car I think. Way more fun and handles quite well, surprisingly..
@@davothegreat9990 Well I was speaking only for myself, however no automatic Mustang is going to touch an FL5 in terms of driving experience and engagement. Autos get boring, even the fast ones.
@@GTR003121 you're dreaming. Completely false.
@@davothegreat9990 Have fun with your automatics 🤡
@@davothegreat9990 🤡🤡🤡
The fact a front wheel drive car is so good in so many ways that the ppl choose it over a R wheel drive Toyota is very telling. Honda got it right
This is true but there is a $10k price difference
@@RaitisRides true
You’re so right Joe, EV’s will never be my friend either.
Thanks man! Great minds think a like!
TFL showed a lease in Colorado for a 150 mile range Nissan Leaf for $9 a month, I don't care what anyone says, I'm taking that appliance
@@mauriceetal1426 😂
Remember, you can swap the Acura Integra Type S suspension module which apparently is much better feeling. Speaking of the Acura TypeS I saw one the other day and tbh it makes the TypeR look un-pretty. The typeS has a much better presence IMHO.
That is very true! I love the look of the Integra Type S for sure!