In the video I called this a TSL 100 but it's the almost exactly the same TSL 122. Here's the video on the issues with Marshall's replacement boards: • Marshall DSL100 Part 1...
Thanks, Lyle. I actually feel shame / guilt for putting you through any frustration working on my stuff. That you were finding ways to save me a few sheckles (lots of them actually) speaks to your character. I really cannot thank you enough for being so thoughtful. - Chris
Korg did not do any good for both Vox and Marshall. Just like the Harmen group profited at the expense of JBL reputation. It's a sad state we find ourselves in, especially for those of us who can remember what things were like when a reputation for quality and reliable performance was a great value. In watching your channel I have been glad I no longer do what you do. Thank you for your dedication.
The moral of the story: If a high-powered tube guitar amplifier is built to typical consumer-grade electronics standards, don’t expect it to provide excellent reliability and consistent performance over the long haul. At least with a mass-produced hi-if audio product, it sits on a shelf for years, and rarely experiences other components being plugged in or out. It’s a completely different world lugging a guitar amp to gigs, throwing it onto stages, and then back into the trunk of your car, then back into basement, and… etc. etc.
Those amps are abominations if you're a tech guy. Really bad boards and tons of jumper cables. Most of those cables have different ID# at each end. I was at a music store about 5 years ago and they had a stack of 7 of these waiting for somebody willing to repair them.
I cringe every time I see a tech who thinks they've fixed their conductive PCB. They will ALWAYS fail again, maybe not now, and maybe in a different manner, but they WILL. Those "fix" board add-ons are just another vulture company making money from the customer for another non-fix.
That''s why you always see two double stack Marshals at concerts, in case one shits itself! One of 3 great myths of modern music, Marshal amps, Gibson Les Paul s and no one can play like Hendix!
Lucky for me I don't see too many of these amps. With a bad board and sketchy EL34s they're almost valueless and more than one person has told me "Just put it back together and I'm going to dump it." A new board plus install and a quad of power tubes is nearly all the value that's in em. Good work steering people away from this turd hurricane.
I bought mine brand new in 98 for about 1500€....single guy, with a job, parents house... I went all in the JCM bandwagon. Played it for some years with friends (no gigs...completely untalented up to today) and found myself getting at the Marshall importer spending 100€ for every year after those initial happy years! Kept humming after some months after coming from the importer and being reliefed from 100€. Got married, stored it and when I started playing again that hum was horrible after a few minutes. Went to google and forums were plaged with complaints about Marshall and those boards! Contacted Marshall and they'd gently charge me 200€ plus labour for replacing the board and if the tubes needed replaced they'd be charged too. I had steel kept the receipts for the 4 'repairs' done to the amp but they didn't gave a rats @ss...got rid of it at a pawn store but I explaned that it had a problem. I got 350€ in 2012 and I guess it was a good deal...bye Marshall!
I’m so glad for our consumer protections here in Australia. Marshall footed the bill for these boards up until a few years ago because there was a big hubbub about it. Unfortunately not everyone had it done so there are still 25 year old amps around that need the job done and we can’t get the boards for no cost anymore.
I had a JCM2000 DSL50 back around when they were released. It had this exact same bias drift issue. But people did not know about this, it was not spoken about on forums until many years later. Most knew only the DSL401 combo (not to be mistaken for the more modern DLS40C/CR) as a hotbox that develops cold solder joints.
I bought a TSL122 in the late 90s. It was my first ever major amp purchase at $1500. Just past the warranty period I started noticing the sound deteriorating after it warmed up. I tried two different techs and neither one could fix it. I ended up selling it to the second tech for $100. It seems like a class action suit should have been the solution. Oh well that was a long time ago.
Craplifier! Glad I got rid of mine. Now I'm playing two Selmer T&B MKll 50w heads from '66, with two 4x12 cabs, a Binson echorec, and a '68 strat. Never been happier!
I have to thank you for your DSL100H video where you mentioned it was a nicely designed amp. I pulled the trigger and I am happy I did. Glad I never bought a JCM2000.
hi lyle. you should totally get a used orange vt 1000 tube tester (300$) ive been using one for the last ten years with no issues. not ideal for matching power tubes but great for showing the gain ratings of most power and preamp tubes. enjoy!
Always love your videos, Lyle. I've had my (newer version) DSL100H for almost ten years (2013, 2014, I can't remember)... I retubed and re-biased it myself (pretty proud that I did that, too) when the stock tubes gave up the ghost after heavy use those first few years and it's been damn near bulletproof ever since with the JJ's.
TSL100 was the first Marshall I ever played and remember it sounding so massive. With all of those issues I am glad I never picked one up and happily a Friedman player currently. I enjoyed the current DSL40CR and agree it was a great amp at the price point as well Lyle. I just wish that version was shared to the higher and lower wattage versions in the new DSL series, the others seem to have issues as well or strangely lack the same features. All the best on the work there Lyle, thanks for sharing!
I've got the TSL100 and even with the Rev20 board it was trying. Most of the frustration was of my making, but I can't explain how happy I am with it. I lucked into trading work with a tech friend that took care of some of those goofy things like the speaker jack ground and a few values, the ducking problem when switching. Then he helped with a ton of the mods I wanted. I feel it is the BEST clean sound Marshall ever made. MANY clean sounds and I don't think the JVM matches it. The Crunch and Lead are super deluxe too, but need some shaping. Utility wise it's my go to still.
Thanks, Lyle. I actually feel shame / guilt for putting you through any frustration working on my stuff. That you were finding ways to save me a few sheckles (lots of them actually) speaks to your character. I really cannot thank you enough for being so thoughtful. - Chris
As a person who has had many surgeries, I always get the best surgeon for the procedure. This customer learned his lesson.
Korg did not do any good for both Vox and Marshall. Just like the Harmen group profited at the expense of JBL reputation. It's a sad state we find ourselves in, especially for those of us who can remember what things were like when a reputation for quality and reliable performance was a great value. In watching your channel I have been glad I no longer do what you do. Thank you for your dedication.
The moral of the story: If a high-powered tube guitar amplifier is built to typical consumer-grade electronics standards, don’t expect it to provide excellent reliability and consistent performance over the long haul. At least with a mass-produced hi-if audio product, it sits on a shelf for years, and rarely experiences other components being plugged in or out. It’s a completely different world lugging a guitar amp to gigs, throwing it onto stages, and then back into the trunk of your car, then back into basement, and… etc. etc.
Now I have become JCM 2000, destroyer of valves
Those amps are abominations if you're a tech guy. Really bad boards and tons of jumper cables. Most of those cables have different ID# at each end. I was at a music store about 5 years ago and they had a stack of 7 of these waiting for somebody willing to repair them.
I cringe every time I see a tech who thinks they've fixed their conductive PCB. They will ALWAYS fail again, maybe not now, and maybe in a different manner, but they WILL. Those "fix" board add-ons are just another vulture company making money from the customer for another non-fix.
That''s why you always see two double stack Marshals at concerts, in case one shits itself! One of 3 great myths of modern music, Marshal amps, Gibson Les Paul s and no one can play like Hendix!
Lucky for me I don't see too many of these amps. With a bad board and sketchy EL34s they're almost valueless and more than one person has told me "Just put it back together and I'm going to dump it." A new board plus install and a quad of power tubes is nearly all the value that's in em. Good work steering people away from this turd hurricane.
I bought mine brand new in 98 for about 1500€....single guy, with a job, parents house... I went all in the JCM bandwagon. Played it for some years with friends (no gigs...completely untalented up to today) and found myself getting at the Marshall importer spending 100€ for every year after those initial happy years! Kept humming after some months after coming from the importer and being reliefed from 100€. Got married, stored it and when I started playing again that hum was horrible after a few minutes. Went to google and forums were plaged with complaints about Marshall and those boards! Contacted Marshall and they'd gently charge me 200€ plus labour for replacing the board and if the tubes needed replaced they'd be charged too. I had steel kept the receipts for the 4 'repairs' done to the amp but they didn't gave a rats @ss...got rid of it at a pawn store but I explaned that it had a problem. I got 350€ in 2012 and I guess it was a good deal...bye Marshall!
I’m so glad for our consumer protections here in Australia. Marshall footed the bill for these boards up until a few years ago because there was a big hubbub about it. Unfortunately not everyone had it done so there are still 25 year old amps around that need the job done and we can’t get the boards for no cost anymore.
I had a JCM2000 DSL50 back around when they were released. It had this exact same bias drift issue. But people did not know about this, it was not spoken about on forums until many years later. Most knew only the DSL401 combo (not to be mistaken for the more modern DLS40C/CR) as a hotbox that develops cold solder joints.
I bought a TSL122 in the late 90s. It was my first ever major amp purchase at $1500. Just past the warranty period I started noticing the sound deteriorating after it warmed up. I tried two different techs and neither one could fix it. I ended up selling it to the second tech for $100. It seems like a class action suit should have been the solution. Oh well that was a long time ago.
Marshall did send me a new board free, when mine burned up in 2015. I have three Marshall’s but the TSL’s crunch tone is just great.
Craplifier! Glad I got rid of mine. Now I'm playing two Selmer T&B MKll 50w heads from '66, with two 4x12 cabs, a Binson echorec, and a '68 strat. Never been happier!
I have to thank you for your DSL100H video where you mentioned it was a nicely designed amp. I pulled the trigger and I am happy I did. Glad I never bought a JCM2000.
hi lyle. you should totally get a used orange vt 1000 tube tester (300$) ive been using one for the last ten years with no issues. not ideal for matching power tubes but great for showing the gain ratings of most power and preamp tubes. enjoy!
Always love your videos, Lyle. I've had my (newer version) DSL100H for almost ten years (2013, 2014, I can't remember)... I retubed and re-biased it myself (pretty proud that I did that, too) when the stock tubes gave up the ghost after heavy use those first few years and it's been damn near bulletproof ever since with the JJ's.
TSL100 was the first Marshall I ever played and remember it sounding so massive. With all of those issues I am glad I never picked one up and happily a Friedman player currently. I enjoyed the current DSL40CR and agree it was a great amp at the price point as well Lyle. I just wish that version was shared to the higher and lower wattage versions in the new DSL series, the others seem to have issues as well or strangely lack the same features. All the best on the work there Lyle, thanks for sharing!
I've got the TSL100 and even with the Rev20 board it was trying. Most of the frustration was of my making, but I can't explain how happy I am with it. I lucked into trading work with a tech friend that took care of some of those goofy things like the speaker jack ground and a few values, the ducking problem when switching. Then he helped with a ton of the mods I wanted. I feel it is the BEST clean sound Marshall ever made. MANY clean sounds and I don't think the JVM matches it. The Crunch and Lead are super deluxe too, but need some shaping. Utility wise it's my go to still.