Epic Armageddon was far better than the previous Epic40k, a really great system in 6mm, and is still played today by strong communities in many country... (like Warmaster in 10mm)
Damn those 10mil units all look so nice... I'm really diggn' like this idea and think I'm gonna have to give this a go here. Great vid Luke, really enjoyed this man.
this is great, there are so many advantages to playing on a smaller scale, cheaper, faster, and it needs less space, or you can play larger battles in the same space
@@mogwaiman6048 Interesting. I am a more recent games workshop follower while I've heard the name, I've never seen warmaster played or the products. Looking at a few searched images I think I would like to see this Old World move in that direction personally. Not only the small scale but seeing Warmaster starter armies boxes makes me think that is a good idea for this. Not a ton of individual unit SKUs for store owners to manage in addition to 49K and AoS flagships, but easier to get into from a retail point of view.
@@trollpainterandson399 yeah I think it would be a great opportunity to offer an experience that the business model doesn't currently have. The Old World is a specialist game and being managed by Forge World.
@@Sammus43 Old Epic was 6mm, a 10mm version would be better IMO, but both scales are pretty well supported in terms of scifi STLs. I think Warmaster, the Fantasy counterpart of Epic, was actually 10mm as well.
As someone who lives in a small flat, I appreciate the hell out of this! Rather than 40k (and all its IP related nonsense) it might be worth reaching out to the other systems that aren't linked to mini lines, such as OnePageRules or Osprey Games, especially the self-contained games like Zona Alfa or Frostgrave, or the upcoming Stargrave. Turning those sets into something you could make in a weekend and keep in a shoebox would be amazing.
Hey man, welcome to the 10mm community! Warmaster and other 10mm is such a great scale to play in. One of the things that is so great about it is it really conveys the tactical movement elements that kind of fall by the wayside in 28mm or larger games. I hope you enjoy the community. LOVE seeing you post content in this scale! Looking forward to seeing more. :)
@@scottsharp7589 Magister Militum (Historicals) Copplestone Castings (LOTR fill in) Laran Miniatures (great Skaven) Eureka miniatures (classic fantasy) Cromarty Forge (alt fantasy) PolarFox (Great orcs and Tkings) If you have a 3d printer Forest Dragon Cromarty Forge (Dwarves) Thingiverse (search warmaster or 10mm) MyMiniFactory has a few 10mm bundles For basing Warbases.co makes bases which are warhammer fantasy bases but at half the size, under a line they call 'minihammer'. Little movement trays to fit the little bases as well.
@@fickdieoma12345678 Magister Militum (Historicals) Copplestone Castings (LOTR fill in) Laran Miniatures (great Skaven) Eureka miniatures (classic fantasy) Cromarty Forge (alt fantasy) PolarFox (Great orcs and Tkings) If you have a 3d printer Forest Dragon Cromarty Forge (Dwarves) Thingiverse (search warmaster or 10mm) MyMiniFactory has a few 10mm bundles For basing Warbases.co makes bases which are warhammer fantasy bases but at half the size, under a line they call 'minihammer'. Little movement trays to fit the little bases as well.
This is brilliant. Remember a mate and i did something like this way back. We used warmaster minis to play warhammer. Instead of scaling things down, we just swapped from imperial to metric. Worked great, but we had to go easy on each other when moving units. As models could easy get a nudge or having difficulty getting exact measurement.
I love this! Warmaster is still one of my all time favourite GW games, and I think any kind of minihammer is so cool. Not only is it great for space economy, but armies just look so majestic in this scale!
There was one: Battle of Five Armies. It's basically Warmaster in a Hobbit setting. The original minis can be quite expensive on ebay but Copplestone Castings has all kinds of Middle-Earthesque minis for that scale.
Sir, you ARE the Bob Ross of Miniature gaming! It's so inspirational and every time I watch one of your vids I just wanna start build a giant gaming table :) And the MB Picture is brilliant :D :D
Back in the day we made a ‘Pocket 40k’ version using 6mm Epic models that worked surprisingly well and was a lot of fun to create and play with! A few things we discovered that increased quality of life enormously when playing with tiny, individual models: Use a piece of sheet metal as a base for the board and add a small magnet to the base of every model. This isn’t as much work as it sounds, and it completely solves the biggest danger: any small tap to the table knocking over all the models and ruining your game. Secondly, adding a grid field to the ‘table’. Having to use tiny rules to move tiny models tiny distances can get tedious, so having distances integrated into the terrain was a massive help.
Woop. Last year I started playing WFB 3rd edition in 10mm and have been using both metal and 3d models, resin terrain and printed buildings. I have been updating a sort of blog site that will tell the story of the campaign and I have a topic on a forum that goes back to the first day I decided to do it and where I am now. Agreed on the basing, I use small bases where possible. It is great fun and has so many plus points!!
I have a heap of 10mm Dark Ages figs. This would work perfectly for that! Really got me wanting to make a little board 😲 There's something about the little scales that looks so epic on the table. Honestly watching my Dad and his best mate refight Waterloo in 6mm when I was a kid, rolling dice for them and "consulting" on what orders to give what regiment is still one of my favourite gaming memories 😁
I've been considering buying some 10mm or 15mm minis and instead of using inches just using centimeters. If inch-based games use 25/28mm minis, that's roughly 10mm scale for centimeters...
Excellent video. I did the same thing years ago making a travel version of 40k. All the units came from epic 40k. The bases were magnetic fridge magnet, the terrain printed paper stuck to a metal tray. I made scaled down templates and rulers so no rule changes were needed for measured distances.
Luka from the group here, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the "smaller" playing experience. I imagine going full KoW bases and cramming the 10mm minis on would look spectacular, but you'd loose the smaller table advantage. In any case, I'd love to see you do a bigger table with towns and castles and stuff; get some terrain techniques for smaller scales (Epic, Titanicus, ...) in.
Hi Luke, I got some of your base ready stuff because of this video, and after my first try, it's great. I am really satisfied with it, and will use it for my printed 10mm armies.
I would love to see a huge surge of interest in small scale gaming like this. I think it’s much more impressive to see massive armies on a standard 6x4 table as opposed to 1/4-1/2 at normal game scale
I remember just digging up small grass turfs, breaking off twigs to make trees and collecting rocks before a game and arranging on parents coffee table in the 90s. Parent wasn't happy but it worked! Just chucked it back in garden when finished. Have you ever tried Infinity?
Just getting into Warmaster, which I intend to also use with small scale KoW. I'm actually really psyched seeing what other people have done so far, looking forward to getting my own stuff.
If you're like me and lose track of everything, a nice little color coding system painted around a base can help this immensely. I feel like scale needs to be a more talked about topic. I like DnD, and my idea I've been toying with is making three characters for my two players. One tiny mini for open-world, one regular sized mini for simple dungeon crawling, and one character bust to show off their characters.
My only suggestion is how to stop the warping. I have found that the very thin parcel tape (normally brown) has no 'give' in it, along its length. Apply this in strips on the underside in both up and down and horizontal directions. It is very resistant to linear tension and thus prevents cardboard or foam board from warping. Barry
I love love love tiny scale miniatures, and in a way it kind of kills me that there’s not really a lot of support for playing most tabletop games with anything other than the standard 28/32mm minis. I love what you did here and would definitely be into seeing more videos in the same vein, even exploring how to do higher end terrain like some of your really impressive stuff from the past in smaller scales.
After seeing some of the tiny Epic 40K minis painted by WIB, I've been collecting some and using them for regular 40K games. The regular 40K rules apply, only the distances have to be converted. I really like the compact playing space.
Holy crap that looks great! Now I want to try this out, gotta buy a printer first... I’d love to see some 40K armies as well. Keep up the great work Luke!
I think you could make it even smaller, for beginners. You only need 1 miniature for each squad/troop + any hero/banner bearer etc. that accomplices it But the single squad miniature piece is set on top of this modular frame to represent it. The more people in the squad, the bigger the frame. And as you play, you have a turn wheel which lessens the overall frame. The turnwheel can have numbers around it, but the top number defines how many are left in the squad. Turning the turnwheel, it could f.ex be attached to strings to each corner and pull it closer, so that the frame diminishes.
Super nice to see you do this Luke! If anyone is interested, we have been playing 10mm Fantasy Battles for several years and we have built up quite a big "Minihammer" community over on Facebook! Feel free to visit us!
seeing the cluttered shelves and boxes of larger figures, and all sorts of terrain and mats, that some people have, ive thought similarly quite frequently that downsizing would be best
I'd love to see regiments in that scale on the standard sized bases for KoW. It's something I've always dreamed of since seeing all those pictures of both WHFB and 40k where there's hordes either side screaming at one another :)
I'm doing this for a bunch of GW games as a project. Epic:Armageddon in 3mm (using proxies from Vanguard Miniatures) Warmaster in 6mm (using proxies from Microworld games) WHFB (Minihammer) in 10mm using Warmaster figures and newer sculpts. 40K in 15mm (using proxies from Vanguard Miniatures). They canall be played in 60x90cm due to making everything half size/range as mentioned in this video. Great to see that more wargamers are doing this!
Man, this is absolutely brilliant 😍! I resisted the temptation of KoW for years because I don't have time for a personal project of that size... This changes everything 😁
@@GeekGamingScenics I have to admit, I never really painted anything under 28mm 😅 That's also why this project is so intriguing... I'm super inspired!!!
it's really cool to see more people enjoying 10mm kings of war, i've been playing it ever since the counter charge podcast had an episode about small scale gaming a few years back. while i understand there are many practical reasons for small scale minis- it's cheaper, takes less space, etc- for me it's all about feel. i really love the scale and how it looks on the table. very cinematic. one thing i didn't expect was the smaller scale allows some experimentation. for example, we occasionally play games where we increase the range of missle weapons to something closer to real world scales (we also increase the magic ranges too, although i can't really call it "close to real world scale!") this would be all but impossible at 28mm scale on account of size, but for the 10 mili's it's a nice little twist to the game. for those who don't have access to 3d printers i've gotten my minis from magister militum and pendraken. pendrakens warband minis have an amazing amount of variety as far as poses go.
I remember years ago seeing a travel 40K set someone made with old Epic 40k marines that were not multi-based, and magnetized to be used with a travel version board game that had been modded.
Wow, this video really jazzed me up! I'd love to see this for 40k! Also if you can think of a way to make it work, I would flip my lid if you tried something for 10mm single based unit skirmish games. I've long wanted to be able to have some sort of 12"x12" terrain board and 10mm units for a micro skirmish game that I could have on my desk at work to play during down times or at a lunch table!
A quick portable table idea is to buy ABS sheets, in the US you can get 12x12 inch sheets in various thickness. These can be glued with, pipe glue, together and to vinyl sheets (think table cloth but thicker). I made a 3x3 foot table top with this idea. I glue 3 of the squares together to make a 3x1 foot section, then glue it to the vinyl sheet making the table 3x3. This lets me fold the table down to a 3x1 for storage or transportation. ABS is very similar to PS so it takes paint or PVA glue quite well.
I got into flames of war about 3 years ago, and hated the expensive units and limited units. I bought a resin 3d printer about 2 1/2 years ago and haven't bought a model since. Actually the only models I own are a firefly platoon.
If you don't have a garage, things get trickier, but if you live in a city there might be a makerspace to test things out. ... Once the pandemic is over.
"I don't any terrain..." Bloody hell reality really is falling apart haha Speaking of smaller models, I use smaller scales to test out new systems so I'm not spending loads of money on systems I'm unsure about. 15mm is a pretty good starting point, loads of options and its easy to scale down from 28mm because its basically 1/2 the scale that we're used to for both rules and terrain. Works pretty well for skirmish games as well as they can be played on as small as a 2ftx2ft board to simulate pretty large skirmish maps. Great fun. Speaking on the topic of 40K! I've yet to find anyone who can convince me otherwise that normal 40k rules played with 15mm minis or even 6mm minis on 25mm rounds is not the way! The rules make no sense for firefights and artillery and sniping on such a small board set up for what they are supposed to represent. But at a smaller scale using the same measurements etc. suddenly the idea of rolling up with a basilisk to shell a building makes sense! Okay rant over haha
I'm gathering files and making some models to do 15mm Warhammer. Glad to see you promoting outside the box thinking and setting the ground work for this.
I would love to see you expand on this stuff!! For years i lurked around in die Minihammer Online Communities bet never got to it. Mostly because of a lack of players in my area but also because it was quite difficult to get alle the needed minis without 3D printer... Soo, whatever idea you have with the downscaling, please go for it!
Please do it for 40k! One thing I would do differently: I would have opted for a small ready printed battle mat instead of making a solid board. You even can roll these things nicely up
Oh man... I've been looking for an excuse to paint up the warmaster stuff just sitting in my attic... but now you got me looking at 3d printers, new armies, and Kings of War! Looks like some fun projects in my future.
I definitely want to see more videos of you tarting up that board a bit! There's an entire 'Minihammer' community on Facebook who play classic Warhammer Fantasy in small scales like this, who would really appreciate seeing you try your hand at making terrain to your usual high quality in a scale that fits with this size of game. Not to mention that massive 10mm and 15mm Historicals community.
Great work! I've been thinking of doing the same 10mm or 15mm on 28mm base sizes, but for samurai. Unless you have a mate willing to go down the same road it makes it more work painting both sides and a bit more difficult to find someone to actually get a game in with. I may do it anyway, if nothing else for the display. Keep it up, would love to see more!
I've been a big advocate of 10mm for years for all the reasons you state in this video. There are some great 10mm rules systems out there but you can just scale down 25/28mm game rules and have the benefit of those great rules systems cheaper and more conveniently. The way you painted these 10mm units makes sense and is the way I think most people should approach it but... if you really put a bit more time in you can get amazing results and have visually stunning units. Yes, more time but still nowhere near the time it would take to do as good a job on units twice the scale. Great video, really enjoyed it. 10mm revolution! XD
Pleeeease do this for 40k! I would love to be able to play a smaller scale version. Not to mention being able to introduce friends and family to an easier, more convenient, and far cheaper version. Love ur stuff Luke! Keep up the amazing work!
Luke, if you'd given the foamboard a coating of pva on both sides it might have worked in stopping warping. The idea is the pva creates tension evenly on both sides. It works really well on cardboard also.
200% see you do this for 40k , there is lots of cool 10/15mm scifi 3d files online , seen some really cool ork stuff ... What do you think the ratio would be for working out base sizes? say like abaddon/DP goes on 60mm bases normally, would you just halve all 40k base sizes for 10mm scale .
Forest Dragon has a patreon that produces these miniatures. The GumRoad link will allow you to purchase earlier files. Currently, they have finished up Vampire Counts and have begun with a Bretonnian/Chivalry faction. Here's the link: www.patreon.com/forestdragon/posts
This is great and very achievable for people with limited space. My friend and I have done something very similar using (in my case) my excessive stockpile of Warmaster miniatures (individuals or strips cut down - with some re-sculpting to repair where the joins were in some cases) and in his case mainly Pendraken on 10mm square 2mm MDF bases that fit into movement trays and playing half scale 3rd Ed. WHFB. It’s brilliant and makes rank and flank look better and easier to achieve and store. Sadly because of the easy size I now have 8-10 armies.
definitely love to see a 40k version! This was pretty awesome. If you wood glue the back of your foamboard after it warps from painting it straightens right out. Did this on some pieces I made for my daughter that used foamboard as a larger square base.
Yes! Looks great and want to see more. I have 10mm ww2, and have just started collecting Napoleonic in this scale. Cheaper and less space and just as much fun. Not got a printer yet so buying from Pendraken.
I did wonder how long it would be before someone mentioned this excellent scale. Nothing looks like an army quite like 2mm, although I messed up the basing, spreading strips out a little too far. 6mm is a good looking scale. Mine are arranged more shoulder to shoulder, so 6 or 7 X 40mm wide bases form an imposing, unbroken line of battle.
Dude, that's just amazing! I'm really loving the smaller scale armies that you made. It's seems so much more simplified when there is no need to make these larger more detailed models. Sure the larger models look great but if you just want to sit down and play, this looks like the way to go. Great Job!
Gaslands is an AMAZING game and you can play it at any scale, the rulebook talks about it. You can play with micro machine size cars and just 3d print reduced sized movement templates, easy. Making the cars is more fiddly. We've thought before about doing 40k as centimetre instead of inch scale to make a mini version that we could take on holiday, even camping. Good luck with this, it's a good way to go.
Back in the 90's WD had an article where one of the studio members built a travel size 40k using the epic scale minis and a folding battlefied board made of foam core... I wish I could remember (or find) the issue. I had planned on making this, but never got around to it. The concept I had was to make a wooden book-style Box that opened up to reveal a folding double-sided foam core board with grass grass on one side and desert on the other (you could make additional types of battlefield boards and swap them out too) under each side were compartments for two armies and epic-scale terrain. I had concept and blueprints drawn for it, just never got around to building it. If you can get your hands on some epic armies, you can make one. You can actually use foam board, instead of paint and flock, you can use sheets of adhesive velvet sheeting.
Nice video. We started last year with 10mm Kings of War. Only a few people around the country but a start. For me this means Kings of War in 3 scales now: 28mm, 15mm and 10mm. Keep up the good work!
Those 10mm units came out quite good, especially for a 2k printer. Nice work! I've always been a big proponent of smaller scale wargames because you can fit so much on the table, including expansive towns and castles, and the scale makes ranged weapons seem more realistic, especially for modern weapons and vehicles (rifles, missles, tanks/artillery, etc). I understand why people like 40K's heroic 32-35mm scale, especially those that love painting detailed models, but I'd kill to see W40K Epic return. :) Edit: oh and storage is SO much easier at this scale, especially the terrain!
Put a bit of stocking over the end of the Hoover when you suck up the grass it will save you a fortune in static grass, plus if you stick all the saved stuff in one jar you get some nice blends
It would be amazing to see One page rules at 15mm scale. I love the compact size of the smaller scale but its a bit small. I wonder how a miniature would feel at 15mm and if it could be on a single base like a normal 28mm, not a fan of movement trays.
I like how your top is a nod to that other great terrain Luke. 10mm is a great scale! I used to play 15mm ancients back in the day, but they still took almost as much work as a standard 28mm army. On the other extreme, I also played 6mm moderns. Tanks were ok, painted in minutes, but infantry was just little blobs. Moderns also still needed big tables. Absolutely I'd love to see you do other games in this scale.
This video speaks to me on several levels. For one, I'm tired of chasing games. I love Warmaster, well that is to say, i love the Old World. There is allot of potential here. Scale down my hobby within hobbies. Secondly the time painting is less. I don't have allot of time. I want to print but my problem is I don't have a heck of allot of space until one of my kids moves out, lol. I did get my friend to print me sample Bretonian models so I'm going to paint them up to see if this will be something I will enjoy. Thank you for posting the vid. I feel inspired.
I’ve war-gamed for over 40 years, and I’ve also gone to small and solo over Coronavirus. I’ve built a wargames board on a lazy suzanne, so I can turn the board around, for each sides turn. Why you ask, well I’m paralysed from my shoulders down and cannot move around a war-games room easily in my wheelchair. I’ve built terrain as well and painted the figures, I’ve started with elements of 28mm figures (A bit like DBA) really enjoying it, but will go down to 10mm, but have a huge collection sell first... love your vids and your no pissing about attitude, great, get on and do just do it. Cheers amigo...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🐿.
I just got back into Warmaster myself recently after not touching them for 15 years. The new 3D printing models are insane. I was actually going to try some of your basing materials on them eventually and I appreciate the siving tip.
I sent Ronnie a message a few years ago asking him to make KOA in 10mm. I loved Warmaster and that scale is great for these battles. Thanks for making this video!
I've been recently building the small scale scenarios from the Middle-Earth bsg, (Balins tomb, scouring of the shire), because I've been getting back into war gaming but knowing I'm moving in with my girlfriend soon I don't want to take up tones of room. Making a 2' by 2' tomb has had me realise that this is still quite large so for the shire stuff I'm planning to get / make a mat. This though would be great for larger scale warhammer and other games like that I love. Looks like I won't be limited to small squad or 600 points or less gaming stuff now.
Realises Im old enough to remember 'Epic 40k'
But not Warhamster?
@@damnright1968 I loved warmaster, but it was killed off to quickly, prefer epic scale stuff than the big minis for war gaming.
@@HarleyFirestorm never a big fan of those tiny minis. For me tue 28mm or 32mm is the best. Too big looks bad too.
Epic Armageddon was far better than the previous Epic40k, a really great system in 6mm, and is still played today by strong communities in many country... (like Warmaster in 10mm)
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Damn those 10mil units all look so nice... I'm really diggn' like this idea and think I'm gonna have to give this a go here. Great vid Luke, really enjoyed this man.
Do it! I'd love to see your take on it too
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This video inspired me to get started printing epic 40k stuff. Small scale is so much easier, it's something the community should keep pushing for.
this is great, there are so many advantages to playing on a smaller scale, cheaper, faster, and it needs less space, or you can play larger battles in the same space
When GW recently announced an "Old World" Warhammer game, this is exactly what I imagined as the product I wanted (though not expected) them to make.
Warhammer is in the works again apparently.
GW staff told me a couple years ago.
Said it should be out around 2022 I think.
Rumor is that The Old World is Warmaster 2.0
@@mogwaiman6048 Interesting. I am a more recent games workshop follower while I've heard the name, I've never seen warmaster played or the products. Looking at a few searched images I think I would like to see this Old World move in that direction personally. Not only the small scale but seeing Warmaster starter armies boxes makes me think that is a good idea for this. Not a ton of individual unit SKUs for store owners to manage in addition to 49K and AoS flagships, but easier to get into from a retail point of view.
@@trollpainterandson399 yeah I think it would be a great opportunity to offer an experience that the business model doesn't currently have. The Old World is a specialist game and being managed by Forge World.
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Let’s see 40K done this size with lots of scenery please 😁
You should look into Epic 40k
@@Sammus43 its discontinued though. right?
@@Sammus43 Old Epic was 6mm, a 10mm version would be better IMO, but both scales are pretty well supported in terms of scifi STLs. I think Warmaster, the Fantasy counterpart of Epic, was actually 10mm as well.
@@intherealilive There's places that sell not epic minatures for use in the game.
One page rules defo be done at that scale
As someone who lives in a small flat, I appreciate the hell out of this!
Rather than 40k (and all its IP related nonsense) it might be worth reaching out to the other systems that aren't linked to mini lines, such as OnePageRules or Osprey Games, especially the self-contained games like Zona Alfa or Frostgrave, or the upcoming Stargrave.
Turning those sets into something you could make in a weekend and keep in a shoebox would be amazing.
Luke doesn't own any terrain?!! 😱
Inconceivable! This is literally like a dairy farmer running out of milk...
HaHa!
There is a preverb "The shoemaker walks with bare feets"
He doesn't have a ton of home terrain. Because he's got a business.
Which I'm guessing he has extreme limits on how he's allowed to use.
Never forget a Yorkshire man wont 'own' it if he can sell it 😁
@@GeekGamingScenics like the chef who never wants to cook when they get home.
"Do you want to see me do this for 40k?"...umm... F*CK YES!
I had to rewind the part where you said you don’t own any terrain like 8 times just to make sure I hear you right.
its like a thing with wargamers, no matter how much terrain you make, you never have enough to play a game
I had to grin too :)
Hey man, welcome to the 10mm community! Warmaster and other 10mm is such a great scale to play in. One of the things that is so great about it is it really conveys the tactical movement elements that kind of fall by the wayside in 28mm or larger games.
I hope you enjoy the community. LOVE seeing you post content in this scale! Looking forward to seeing more. :)
Been doing warhammer and KoW in 10mm for a while now. Much more satisfying when it comes to the spectacle of it all.
Where do you get your minis from?
Yes. Where do you get the models!
@@scottsharp7589 Magister Militum (Historicals)
Copplestone Castings (LOTR fill in)
Laran Miniatures (great Skaven)
Eureka miniatures (classic fantasy)
Cromarty Forge (alt fantasy)
PolarFox (Great orcs and Tkings)
If you have a 3d printer
Forest Dragon
Cromarty Forge (Dwarves)
Thingiverse (search warmaster or 10mm)
MyMiniFactory has a few 10mm bundles
For basing Warbases.co makes bases which are warhammer fantasy bases but at half the size, under a line they call 'minihammer'. Little movement trays to fit the little bases as well.
@@fickdieoma12345678 Magister Militum (Historicals)
Copplestone Castings (LOTR fill in)
Laran Miniatures (great Skaven)
Eureka miniatures (classic fantasy)
Cromarty Forge (alt fantasy)
PolarFox (Great orcs and Tkings)
If you have a 3d printer
Forest Dragon
Cromarty Forge (Dwarves)
Thingiverse (search warmaster or 10mm)
MyMiniFactory has a few 10mm bundles
For basing Warbases.co makes bases which are warhammer fantasy bases but at half the size, under a line they call 'minihammer'. Little movement trays to fit the little bases as well.
This is brilliant. Remember a mate and i did something like this way back. We used warmaster minis to play warhammer. Instead of scaling things down, we just swapped from imperial to metric. Worked great, but we had to go easy on each other when moving units. As models could easy get a nudge or having difficulty getting exact measurement.
I love this! Warmaster is still one of my all time favourite GW games, and I think any kind of minihammer is so cool. Not only is it great for space economy, but armies just look so majestic in this scale!
Warmaster was also 10mm, wasn't it?
@@Del_S Yup, still have my Skaven army :)
It helps that WM and Epic were among the best-ruled games GW put out.
@@calebbilling4984 definitely! Warmaster is a fantastic system!
Once my 3d printer arrives, I'm planning on doing this to make a travel D&D set.
I have always wanted to do Lord of the Rings 10mm games.
There was one: Battle of Five Armies. It's basically Warmaster in a Hobbit setting. The original minis can be quite expensive on ebay but Copplestone Castings has all kinds of Middle-Earthesque minis for that scale.
I wanted to do SBG 15mm - even got a mix or minis for the fellowship from RNestudio and Copplestone minis
Also The printing goes ever on KS are working on M.goblins atm so a small scale Mines of moria would be awesome for a portable Tabletop game
You can buy "dark alliance" or "light alliance" miniatures for dirt cheap and go for it! :) they have proper LOTR models!
Check out Daniel Hodgsons collection on Facebook. he's more into 6mm now but a few years back he did a massive Pellenor fields setup in 10mm.
Sir, you ARE the Bob Ross of Miniature gaming! It's so inspirational and every time I watch one of your vids I just wanna start build a giant gaming table :)
And the MB Picture is brilliant :D :D
Yeah, please do it in big numbers! Those packed regiments will look amazing.
Back in the day we made a ‘Pocket 40k’ version using 6mm Epic models that worked surprisingly well and was a lot of fun to create and play with! A few things we discovered that increased quality of life enormously when playing with tiny, individual models:
Use a piece of sheet metal as a base for the board and add a small magnet to the base of every model. This isn’t as much work as it sounds, and it completely solves the biggest danger: any small tap to the table knocking over all the models and ruining your game.
Secondly, adding a grid field to the ‘table’. Having to use tiny rules to move tiny models tiny distances can get tedious, so having distances integrated into the terrain was a massive help.
Swap inches for cm rather than halving movement/distances :)
Honestly it sounds good but half inches means any even number becomes whole inches again and that really helps.
@@tylerttinsley Huh? There are no half inches, a movement of 6" simply becomes 6cm, therefore scaling down everything by 2.54x.
@@Aurillia this is what I did for Dungeon crawls using D&D. Just convert to cm. Fantasy Trip I use 12cm Hex as the figs are on 9mm magnet disc bases.
Huh that’d be genius.
Just like in the good old Battlefleet Gothic!
@@tylerttinsley 1 inch is 1cm so 1/2 inch is 1/2mm, i don't see the issue?
Woop.
Last year I started playing WFB 3rd edition in 10mm and have been using both metal and 3d models, resin terrain and printed buildings.
I have been updating a sort of blog site that will tell the story of the campaign and I have a topic on a forum that goes back to the first day I decided to do it and where I am now.
Agreed on the basing, I use small bases where possible.
It is great fun and has so many plus points!!
Now I want to see a huge horde of 10ml taking up a whole 6 by 4 table!!
I have a heap of 10mm Dark Ages figs. This would work perfectly for that! Really got me wanting to make a little board 😲 There's something about the little scales that looks so epic on the table. Honestly watching my Dad and his best mate refight Waterloo in 6mm when I was a kid, rolling dice for them and "consulting" on what orders to give what regiment is still one of my favourite gaming memories 😁
I've been considering buying some 10mm or 15mm minis and instead of using inches just using centimeters. If inch-based games use 25/28mm minis, that's roughly 10mm scale for centimeters...
Excellent video. I did the same thing years ago making a travel version of 40k. All the units came from epic 40k. The bases were magnetic fridge magnet, the terrain printed paper stuck to a metal tray. I made scaled down templates and rulers so no rule changes were needed for measured distances.
I think this video just pushed me over the edge of buying a 3d printer. I cant believe you painted 2 armies in 2 days, gonna give this scale a try
3D printing has been a boon to small scale wargames like Epic Armageddon and Warmaster.
I'd love to see more small scale vids. Like a full 8x4 table shrunk down to 4x2. Maybe even some Dnd stuff.
Luka from the group here, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the "smaller" playing experience. I imagine going full KoW bases and cramming the 10mm minis on would look spectacular, but you'd loose the smaller table advantage.
In any case, I'd love to see you do a bigger table with towns and castles and stuff; get some terrain techniques for smaller scales (Epic, Titanicus, ...) in.
I would love to do full size KoW using 15mm, 10mm or even 6mm figures! :D That would really look like WAR!!!!
That would be cool for kobolds or something so that you could still play against other armies of the normal scale
Love it! I do 6mm historics (Ancients) - and halve my 15mm rules measurements. It works so well. I'd like to see more terrain making in this scale.
Damn, I've never really considered small scale stuff but you've just convinced me to get into it. Great video as always!
Hi Luke, I got some of your base ready stuff because of this video, and after my first try, it's great. I am really satisfied with it, and will use it for my printed 10mm armies.
Tempted to bash something like this out for the office when we're finally back in!
I would love to see a huge surge of interest in small scale gaming like this. I think it’s much more impressive to see massive armies on a standard 6x4 table as opposed to 1/4-1/2 at normal game scale
I remember just digging up small grass turfs, breaking off twigs to make trees and collecting rocks before a game and arranging on parents coffee table in the 90s. Parent wasn't happy but it worked! Just chucked it back in garden when finished. Have you ever tried Infinity?
cooooooooool
I know isn’t it fantastic.
I wanna see a Goober MiniHammer episode sooooo badddd XD (Such a fantasy solution to mass fantasy being so expensive!) THINK OF ALL THE SQUIDS!!!!
@Chester Vasguez what??
@@elias1579 spam report at will
Just getting into Warmaster, which I intend to also use with small scale KoW. I'm actually really psyched seeing what other people have done so far, looking forward to getting my own stuff.
If you're like me and lose track of everything, a nice little color coding system painted around a base can help this immensely.
I feel like scale needs to be a more talked about topic. I like DnD, and my idea I've been toying with is making three characters for my two players. One tiny mini for open-world, one regular sized mini for simple dungeon crawling, and one character bust to show off their characters.
My only suggestion is how to stop the warping. I have found that the very thin parcel tape (normally brown) has no 'give' in it, along its length. Apply this in strips on the underside in both up and down and horizontal directions. It is very resistant to linear tension and thus prevents cardboard or foam board from warping.
Barry
I am going to try this for other terrain projects I work on. that sounds genius.
I love love love tiny scale miniatures, and in a way it kind of kills me that there’s not really a lot of support for playing most tabletop games with anything other than the standard 28/32mm minis. I love what you did here and would definitely be into seeing more videos in the same vein, even exploring how to do higher end terrain like some of your really impressive stuff from the past in smaller scales.
After seeing some of the tiny Epic 40K minis painted by WIB, I've been collecting some and using them for regular 40K games. The regular 40K rules apply, only the distances have to be converted. I really like the compact playing space.
Love what you did here - It's actually put me over the edge on picking up a printer this year. I find myself inexorably drawn to the smaller (
Holy crap that looks great! Now I want to try this out, gotta buy a printer first...
I’d love to see some 40K armies as well.
Keep up the great work Luke!
I think you could make it even smaller, for beginners.
You only need 1 miniature for each squad/troop + any hero/banner bearer etc. that accomplices it
But the single squad miniature piece is set on top of this modular frame to represent it.
The more people in the squad, the bigger the frame.
And as you play, you have a turn wheel which lessens the overall frame.
The turnwheel can have numbers around it, but the top number defines how many are left in the squad.
Turning the turnwheel, it could f.ex be attached to strings to each corner and pull it closer, so that the frame diminishes.
Super nice to see you do this Luke! If anyone is interested, we have been playing 10mm Fantasy Battles for several years and we have built up quite a big "Minihammer" community over on Facebook! Feel free to visit us!
Where can I find you guys?
seeing the cluttered shelves and boxes of larger figures, and all sorts of terrain and mats, that some people have, ive thought similarly quite frequently that downsizing would be best
I'd love to see regiments in that scale on the standard sized bases for KoW. It's something I've always dreamed of since seeing all those pictures of both WHFB and 40k where there's hordes either side screaming at one another :)
I'm doing this for a bunch of GW games as a project.
Epic:Armageddon in 3mm (using proxies from Vanguard Miniatures)
Warmaster in 6mm (using proxies from Microworld games)
WHFB (Minihammer) in 10mm using Warmaster figures and newer sculpts.
40K in 15mm (using proxies from Vanguard Miniatures).
They canall be played in 60x90cm due to making everything half size/range as mentioned in this video.
Great to see that more wargamers are doing this!
Going back to warhammer 40k epic.
Man, this is absolutely brilliant 😍!
I resisted the temptation of KoW for years because I don't have time for a personal project of that size... This changes everything 😁
@@GeekGamingScenics I have to admit, I never really painted anything under 28mm 😅 That's also why this project is so intriguing... I'm super inspired!!!
10mm the way forward, love to see more of this.
it's really cool to see more people enjoying 10mm kings of war, i've been playing it ever since the counter charge podcast had an episode about small scale gaming a few years back. while i understand there are many practical reasons for small scale minis- it's cheaper, takes less space, etc- for me it's all about feel. i really love the scale and how it looks on the table. very cinematic.
one thing i didn't expect was the smaller scale allows some experimentation. for example, we occasionally play games where we increase the range of missle weapons to something closer to real world scales (we also increase the magic ranges too, although i can't really call it "close to real world scale!") this would be all but impossible at 28mm scale on account of size, but for the 10 mili's it's a nice little twist to the game.
for those who don't have access to 3d printers i've gotten my minis from magister militum and pendraken. pendrakens warband minis have an amazing amount of variety as far as poses go.
I remember years ago seeing a travel 40K set someone made with old Epic 40k marines that were not multi-based, and magnetized to be used with a travel version board game that had been modded.
given that tiny magnets are much more common now, you could totally do that
Love it. All the things about this! Such a cool way to throw out an impressive gaming experience without having to buy a new house to have room.
Wow, this video really jazzed me up! I'd love to see this for 40k!
Also if you can think of a way to make it work, I would flip my lid if you tried something for 10mm single based unit skirmish games. I've long wanted to be able to have some sort of 12"x12" terrain board and 10mm units for a micro skirmish game that I could have on my desk at work to play during down times or at a lunch table!
A quick portable table idea is to buy ABS sheets, in the US you can get 12x12 inch sheets in various thickness. These can be glued with, pipe glue, together and to vinyl sheets (think table cloth but thicker). I made a 3x3 foot table top with this idea. I glue 3 of the squares together to make a 3x1 foot section, then glue it to the vinyl sheet making the table 3x3. This lets me fold the table down to a 3x1 for storage or transportation. ABS is very similar to PS so it takes paint or PVA glue quite well.
"I go this army done in a day" - insane. Now I'm off to look at 3D printers...
I got into flames of war about 3 years ago, and hated the expensive units and limited units. I bought a resin 3d printer about 2 1/2 years ago and haven't bought a model since. Actually the only models I own are a firefly platoon.
Read up on the safety, The fumes are not to be taken lightly.
If you don't have a garage, things get trickier, but if you live in a city there might be a makerspace to test things out.
... Once the pandemic is over.
@@vincentmuyo what exactly is a "makerspace"?
One of the best videos I feel that you have put out in along time, I went the FDM printer route
but this has made me want to try a resin printer.
"I don't any terrain..." Bloody hell reality really is falling apart haha
Speaking of smaller models, I use smaller scales to test out new systems so I'm not spending loads of money on systems I'm unsure about. 15mm is a pretty good starting point, loads of options and its easy to scale down from 28mm because its basically 1/2 the scale that we're used to for both rules and terrain.
Works pretty well for skirmish games as well as they can be played on as small as a 2ftx2ft board to simulate pretty large skirmish maps. Great fun.
Speaking on the topic of 40K! I've yet to find anyone who can convince me otherwise that normal 40k rules played with 15mm minis or even 6mm minis on 25mm rounds is not the way! The rules make no sense for firefights and artillery and sniping on such a small board set up for what they are supposed to represent. But at a smaller scale using the same measurements etc. suddenly the idea of rolling up with a basilisk to shell a building makes sense! Okay rant over haha
I'm gathering files and making some models to do 15mm Warhammer. Glad to see you promoting outside the box thinking and setting the ground work for this.
Epic warhammer should make a comeback. Epic was the scale of the models
warmaster
It's still popular. I've just printed 3k of Imperial Guard and i'm printing 1k armies to start my friends off
I would love to see you expand on this stuff!!
For years i lurked around in die Minihammer Online Communities bet never got to it.
Mostly because of a lack of players in my area but also because it was quite difficult to get alle the needed minis without 3D printer...
Soo, whatever idea you have with the downscaling, please go for it!
Please do it for 40k! One thing I would do differently: I would have opted for a small ready printed battle mat instead of making a solid board. You even can roll these things nicely up
Oh man... I've been looking for an excuse to paint up the warmaster stuff just sitting in my attic... but now you got me looking at 3d printers, new armies, and Kings of War! Looks like some fun projects in my future.
WARHAMMER EPIC!
I wonder if i still have those tiny minis, in my basement(attic?)?
I definitely want to see more videos of you tarting up that board a bit!
There's an entire 'Minihammer' community on Facebook who play classic Warhammer Fantasy in small scales like this, who would really appreciate seeing you try your hand at making terrain to your usual high quality in a scale that fits with this size of game. Not to mention that massive 10mm and 15mm Historicals community.
Expecting famous 10mm Terrain from you :-)
Great work! I've been thinking of doing the same 10mm or 15mm on 28mm base sizes, but for samurai. Unless you have a mate willing to go down the same road it makes it more work painting both sides and a bit more difficult to find someone to actually get a game in with. I may do it anyway, if nothing else for the display. Keep it up, would love to see more!
Similar reason (among others) which make Epic a superior game to regular 40k.
I've been a big advocate of 10mm for years for all the reasons you state in this video. There are some great 10mm rules systems out there but you can just scale down 25/28mm game rules and have the benefit of those great rules systems cheaper and more conveniently. The way you painted these 10mm units makes sense and is the way I think most people should approach it but... if you really put a bit more time in you can get amazing results and have visually stunning units. Yes, more time but still nowhere near the time it would take to do as good a job on units twice the scale. Great video, really enjoyed it. 10mm revolution! XD
Pleeeease do this for 40k! I would love to be able to play a smaller scale version. Not to mention being able to introduce friends and family to an easier, more convenient, and far cheaper version. Love ur stuff Luke! Keep up the amazing work!
Epic: Armageddon is my choice for that
6mm figures. Lot of alternative models (e.g. VANGUARDMINIATURES.CO.UK) and also lot of stl files everywhere
I can second Vanguard Minis are awesome! I'm working on some Epic Elysian Drops
Good stuff, this was fun to watch and learned something new. Thanks Luke.
Dude, this is basically warmaster, I suggest you to have a look at it. Better ruleset in my opinion
+1. Warmaster is a great rulesystem. And free now a days.
Luke, if you'd given the foamboard a coating of pva on both sides it might have worked in stopping warping. The idea is the pva creates tension evenly on both sides. It works really well on cardboard also.
200% see you do this for 40k , there is lots of cool 10/15mm scifi 3d files online , seen some really cool ork stuff ... What do you think the ratio would be for working out base sizes? say like abaddon/DP goes on 60mm bases normally, would you just halve all 40k base sizes for 10mm scale .
Any specific places you've seen cool 10mm scifi models? I've mostly only seen 28mm but would love to get some cool 10mm ones to print.
My wife says you need to paint the other side of the foam board to even out the warp. Great video!!! I love the mini miniatures.
Forest Dragon has a patreon that produces these miniatures. The GumRoad link will allow you to purchase earlier files. Currently, they have finished up Vampire Counts and have begun with a Bretonnian/Chivalry faction. Here's the link: www.patreon.com/forestdragon/posts
This is great and very achievable for people with limited space. My friend and I have done something very similar using (in my case) my excessive stockpile of Warmaster miniatures (individuals or strips cut down - with some re-sculpting to repair where the joins were in some cases) and in his case mainly Pendraken on 10mm square 2mm MDF bases that fit into movement trays and playing half scale 3rd Ed. WHFB. It’s brilliant and makes rank and flank look better and easier to achieve and store. Sadly because of the easy size I now have 8-10 armies.
I really hope the ‘Old World’ project is smaller scale
I've heard rumors that it is, basically Warmaster 2.0
@@mogwaiman6048 I really hope so 🤞
I’m a 6mm gamer at heart, so more small scale stuff is always welcome Luke. Thanks
definitely love to see a 40k version! This was pretty awesome. If you wood glue the back of your foamboard after it warps from painting it straightens right out. Did this on some pieces I made for my daughter that used foamboard as a larger square base.
Yes! Looks great and want to see more. I have 10mm ww2, and have just started collecting Napoleonic in this scale. Cheaper and less space and just as much fun. Not got a printer yet so buying from Pendraken.
Love it. I’ve gone for 3mm scale for massive battles with thousands of troops.
I did wonder how long it would be before someone mentioned this excellent scale. Nothing looks like an army quite like 2mm, although I messed up the basing, spreading strips out a little too far.
6mm is a good looking scale. Mine are arranged more shoulder to shoulder, so 6 or 7 X 40mm wide bases form an imposing, unbroken line of battle.
Dude, that's just amazing! I'm really loving the smaller scale armies that you made. It's seems so much more simplified when there is no need to make these larger more detailed models. Sure the larger models look great but if you just want to sit down and play, this looks like the way to go. Great Job!
Had a pocket set of 15mm gorkamorka for forever. 🤘Excellent hobby highlight
Had the same epiphany when I switched to 15mm. Such a great big world of hobby goodness in such a small package! Keep the smaller scale videos coming!
Gaslands is an AMAZING game and you can play it at any scale, the rulebook talks about it. You can play with micro machine size cars and just 3d print reduced sized movement templates, easy. Making the cars is more fiddly. We've thought before about doing 40k as centimetre instead of inch scale to make a mini version that we could take on holiday, even camping. Good luck with this, it's a good way to go.
Back in the 90's WD had an article where one of the studio members built a travel size 40k using the epic scale minis and a folding battlefied board made of foam core... I wish I could remember (or find) the issue. I had planned on making this, but never got around to it. The concept I had was to make a wooden book-style Box that opened up to reveal a folding double-sided foam core board with grass grass on one side and desert on the other (you could make additional types of battlefield boards and swap them out too) under each side were compartments for two armies and epic-scale terrain. I had concept and blueprints drawn for it, just never got around to building it. If you can get your hands on some epic armies, you can make one.
You can actually use foam board, instead of paint and flock, you can use sheets of adhesive velvet sheeting.
Nice video. We started last year with 10mm Kings of War. Only a few people around the country but a start. For me this means Kings of War in 3 scales now: 28mm, 15mm and 10mm. Keep up the good work!
Outstanding job! and with 3d printing become more common this is a great idea for any table top wargames.
Those 10mm units came out quite good, especially for a 2k printer. Nice work! I've always been a big proponent of smaller scale wargames because you can fit so much on the table, including expansive towns and castles, and the scale makes ranged weapons seem more realistic, especially for modern weapons and vehicles (rifles, missles, tanks/artillery, etc). I understand why people like 40K's heroic 32-35mm scale, especially those that love painting detailed models, but I'd kill to see W40K Epic return. :)
Edit: oh and storage is SO much easier at this scale, especially the terrain!
Put a bit of stocking over the end of the Hoover when you suck up the grass it will save you a fortune in static grass, plus if you stick all the saved stuff in one jar you get some nice blends
It would be amazing to see One page rules at 15mm scale. I love the compact size of the smaller scale but its a bit small. I wonder how a miniature would feel at 15mm and if it could be on a single base like a normal 28mm, not a fan of movement trays.
I like how your top is a nod to that other great terrain Luke. 10mm is a great scale! I used to play 15mm ancients back in the day, but they still took almost as much work as a standard 28mm army. On the other extreme, I also played 6mm moderns. Tanks were ok, painted in minutes, but infantry was just little blobs. Moderns also still needed big tables. Absolutely I'd love to see you do other games in this scale.
This video speaks to me on several levels. For one, I'm tired of chasing games. I love Warmaster, well that is to say, i love the Old World. There is allot of potential here. Scale down my hobby within hobbies. Secondly the time painting is less. I don't have allot of time. I want to print but my problem is I don't have a heck of allot of space until one of my kids moves out, lol. I did get my friend to print me sample Bretonian models so I'm going to paint them up to see if this will be something I will enjoy. Thank you for posting the vid. I feel inspired.
I’ve war-gamed for over 40 years, and I’ve also gone to small and solo over Coronavirus. I’ve built a wargames board on a lazy suzanne, so I can turn the board around, for each sides turn. Why you ask, well I’m paralysed from my shoulders down and cannot move around a war-games room easily in my wheelchair. I’ve built terrain as well and painted the figures, I’ve started with elements of 28mm figures (A bit like DBA) really enjoying it, but will go down to 10mm, but have a huge collection sell first... love your vids and your no pissing about attitude, great, get on and do just do it. Cheers amigo...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🐿.
Amazing!! I'm planning on painting an Epic 40k army sometime this year, can't wait to play in a smaller scale!!
I just got back into Warmaster myself recently after not touching them for 15 years. The new 3D printing models are insane. I was actually going to try some of your basing materials on them eventually and I appreciate the siving tip.
I sent Ronnie a message a few years ago asking him to make KOA in 10mm. I loved Warmaster and that scale is great for these battles. Thanks for making this video!
I've been recently building the small scale scenarios from the Middle-Earth bsg, (Balins tomb, scouring of the shire), because I've been getting back into war gaming but knowing I'm moving in with my girlfriend soon I don't want to take up tones of room. Making a 2' by 2' tomb has had me realise that this is still quite large so for the shire stuff I'm planning to get / make a mat. This though would be great for larger scale warhammer and other games like that I love. Looks like I won't be limited to small squad or 600 points or less gaming stuff now.