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Warhammer 40k is a great game but when you want to play large games it can be cumbersome and take forever to set up. So, why don't we make warhammer 40k Tiny and play a 5000 point game on a 2x3 coffee table using 15mm(ish) miniatures.
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This is one of the reasons that 3d printers are such a massive boon for wargamers and table-top gamers in general. The fact that you don't have to be constrained to the scale gaming minis come in if you have limited space opens up the hobby to a lot more people. Sure, the printer itself does take up space, but your average beginner resin printer (such as an Elegoo Mars) has a much smaller footprint than the cases you would need to store a typical 40K army. And once the initial investment in the printer is paid, it's a far more economic way to get into a miniature game. The only real drawback is the time it takes to print the minis, but if you're painting your minis in batches rather than all at once, you'll likely be painting one set while another is printing anyway.
And it's relatively easy to adjust your scale to whatever you want. All STL files can be scaled to what you need in your slicer program before printing, just be sure to keep note of how much you scale a mini by, so you can make sure everything matches up. Honestly, the hardest part would be deciding what scale to convert the rules to. Will you just cut the scale in half and divide all the distances by two? Or convert inches to centimeters and make everything a third of the size? It really depends on how small you want to go, and how small your printer will still be able to print at. Personally, I feel converting inches to centimeters is a good place to start, since you can scale down your models to 33% easy enough, and most tailor's measuring tapes (which are perfect for wargames) have both inches and centimeters already.
For anyone interested in scaling figures: if you scale epic up by 186% (6mm to 11.2mm) or regular 40k to 40% (28mm to 11.2mm), you'll end up with "metric" minis. The 11mm size is based on converting imperial to metric (28mm * (10/25) = 11.2mm); what this means is that with 11.2mm minis you can play standard 28mm games using metric instead of imperial measurements on smaller coffee table sized boards, or play large size games on full sized tables using standard imperial measurements without the game feeling cluttered by overly large models that can't fit around terrain. It's basically the perfect intermediary scale.
Very useful comment, sir. Very appreciated.
Or about 40% of a standard scale warhammer model, making ranges of 1 inch equal to 1 centimeter.
Thanks
I was thinking that as well. I'm just worse at math than you are. :P
Just saw this and that is awesome, thank you sir, will do.
As a historical gamer, it's great seeing smaller scales make inroads into sci-fi and fantasy. Love it
My favorite part of FoW was the 15mm scale, feels very epic and fun
Starting playing 15mm historical (ADLG) a couple of years ago and really enjoy the scale, plus 120x180mm is all the space you need for full 200-300pt games.
Honestly, it makes so much more sense for TTRPGs. Being able to create sprawling cities or environments in 10 or 15mm and populating it with civilians or swarms of enemies on a coffee table rather than a 6x4 makes so much more sense for the layman gamer or GM who wants to tell a story on a smaller space and budget.
Shame that it had to be tied to the GW IP, when there’s loads of independent manufacturers for sci-fi in 6,10 and 15mm
Is it possible to download 3d printing materials for 15mm historical models (especially ancient and medieval) somewhere?
Love it, the armies and terrain is smashing guys. For someone who doesn’t have much space, this is a brilliant way to play.
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*Watches Luke cooking for several minutes in quiet disbelief*
I was looking at Stroganoff's Battlestrider model this week, it's a glorious model. I note they recommended 133% scaling to get from Epic to Adeptus Titanicus scale.
@@GeekGamingScenics it seemed like longer...
Mind you, given the average gamer's...er... silhouette (mine included), a few healthy eating tips wouldn't go amiss.
Tiny Warhammer is the best way to play Warhammer in my opinion. I have been printing and playing both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k in 15mm scale ever since I was inspired to do so after watching your first 'Make Warhammer Tiny' video, it's great. I would love to see you do even more of these Tiny Warhammer videos.
That's awesome to hear. Do you convert the 6x4 table down to 3x2? And do you go from inches to centimeters? I'm sure that's not a perfect 1 to 1 ratio but seems like that's what most people do and it works
@@control745 Yes, I play on a 3x2 table. I convert inches to centimetres for measuring. The other thing that I do is use flame and blast templates that are printed to be half the size of regular templates.
Wher can I find 3d files?
My group has started doing this too! We play on 3x2 and in cm as well. It works perfectly.
@@darekdariusz8910 There are a few sculptors on Patreon that we use. Most of our models are actually Warmaster models designed by ForestDragon, scaled up 125% to fit on 10mm bases. They come presupported and print perfectly for Tiny Warhammer.
Those tiny space marines look so damn cute lol, and getting an army done in a day has got to be satisfying.
Love the 15mm scale.
I use the Forest Dragon warmaster 3d files and print them at 150%.
This makes great 15mm fantasy armies.
For me 15 mm is perfect just enough detail not to big not to small.
Same, FD minis are great and scale well.
Where can I find this 3d files?
@@darekdariusz8910 Forest Dragon
Same dude 🤣
Guy's guest spots really cracked me up 😂😂😂
Those 12mm Space Marines are the absolute canem testiculorum 😍😍😍😍
4:01 The Roadies tucking in to their Full English.
The Happy Luke Dance at the end is the icing on an excellent cake.
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I love it. This is my new obsession after years of playing traditional 40k/fantasy. So accessible and can play on any kitchen table
I'm not one for giving professionals unsollicited advice, but DEFINITELY more puppy shots in the future.
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Could you tell us witch models you used? I love the idea of smaller sized warhammer and one of the first things ill do with my 3D-printer (get it next week) is printing some downscaled armies for 40k and Fantasy.
What is this? A wargame for ants?!
Man, love this. Hope you continue this series - lots of us dislike that wargaming takes so much space and this is just about the perfect format.
Our local club does this alot, a big thing they do is play the current rules of 40k but change all ranges to CM and works perfectly
hell yea dude
Games workshop should adopt 3d printing fully. Especially since what you did was more or less "illegal" by GW's understanding. Whatever doe it's just plastic.
I really like this scale at first I thought you were doing epic size but was surprised how good this scale is 👍👍👍
Nice idea. So much more accessible than standard 40k. the latest 40k apocalypse rules work really well on a smaller scale if you want something in between standard 40k and Epic in terms of army sizes.
Great video, but confused... Why is Brian May in your video? 🤣
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Any chance you can post the army lists? I know giving us a hint to the files is too much, but I would love to start by printing these 2 armies.
Yes, I am not the only one rescaling before printing thankfully, they called me mad...
Epic 40K was the best. I really wish they would pull the trigger and bring back the great Ork and Eldar warmachines.
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How did you get the "redeemer dread"? I can't find an epic scale one. Did you downsize a full size one?
This is fantastic! I love the size of the tanks and knights. Something about them being the size of a matchbox car is just so appealing. The only thing missing from the set are tiny dice.
You can get 50 8mm dice from Ali like I did
Scrabble tiles as floor tiles is pretty clever
Love this a lot, and specially the table on the back of a picture was sheer genius
Literally just bought a 3D printer for epic. Awsome vid man. Is it easy enuf to find the STLs. Scale makes more sense for 40k to me.
Always loved epic scale. And Titanicus is in scale to the old tanks and epic stuff. Glad I kept all my collections. Personally I think Heresy shoulda been epic scale.
If by in scale you mean 25% out of scale then you are correct
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But great vid, guys and Guy ;) Got me thinking now. Was just planning to get started on Mordheim terrain but my 3D printer is inactive so this could be a fun challenge. Luke, do you have any views on Mordheim as a game ? Grimdark and fantasy combined. And yes, I'm only 20 years behind the times for that game :)
It's never to late for a good rompin n stompin in Mortheim!
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to your last comment, you can play epic on a 3x4 system called Epic minigeddon. It is a community driven expansion for epic Armageddon and works really well! go check it out!
Wholeheartedly agree - smaller game footprints make this hobby far more accessible. Wish I'd discovered the joys of 15mm earlier; just treat centimetres as inches and suddenly you can pack multiple boards into a suitcase. And STILL have space for clothes!
I've now got an old art box with two boards set up inside, and am working in a set of 36 10x10cm modular tiles which can pack into a small briefcase. That's three different biomes fitting into the space of four 28mm buildings. Can't see myself going back
Good point on accessibility. Outside of cost, it's far easier for someone to get into something they can put away on a shelf or in a closet. 40k has gotten physically larger (scale creep) and larger in scale itself (larger armies, larger warmachines, etc). It's intimidating and all of those larger size and number of models take up more and more space. I live in a small place, and having an option like this means it's easier for me to consider about than having to make a giant table and shelving beyond shelving for my models.
@@ScooterinAB Agreed, it's wonderful having stuff that can fit entirely into a regular cupboard! Or even a shoebox. When I go holidaying, my collection of 70ish minis for skirmish campaigning can fit safely packed into three screws and bolts storage compartments.
Smaller scales mean terrain doesn't have to be so exquisitely detailed, so can be less intimidating to make. There's more scope for indicative scenery without having to match the larger, more intricate kits which have become the norm.
Best Games I've ever played is Epic Spacmarine on a Coffee Table ... That's real 30k !!! ... Big Games Small Table.. It's just like the Old School Art work .. The rules were very Good as well . ✌️💚
Bro where did you found the models? Can you pass me the files?
"Games Workshop would like to know your location." Great job I love it!! Check out "Bill Making Stuff," he made a really cool magnetic game board for 10mm out of an old backgammon case for easy transport. This feels along the same vibe.
How dare you bully Midwinter like this without inviting others to join in on it!
It's great Couples can work together, you two make a lovely Couple, appreciate the Vid!
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Really cool idea, size does really impact accessibility and travel options.
Ah this was excellent and brings back memories, a friend and I used to wage a huge 40k Epic warfront on wallpaper folding tables in a local village hall over two days. Alas the figures are currently residing in the loft perhaps this will prompt a dining table battle with my daughter as a commander.
Love this, do you have a link for the STL files for the miniatures?
After 20 Years of playing 40 K in normal scale , i sell all my 40 K Stuff and start Epic 40 K , a Friend printed a 6000 Points Army with Titans and Thunderhawks for me. I buy some Titanicus Buildings and it works well, the Game with a smaller Scale is so mutch better, you can move your Titans and not only stay at one point and you dont have to pay 500 $ for a Titan.
Laughed out loud at the midwinter minis titan call out
Absolutely love how you fit a entire game board into a picture frame. There is no reason to have to have some monstrous game table large scale destruction in the grim dark universe
I really like that as well. It's semi-rigid, contained, and more easily stored than a full table. I just lost my play space and have been thinking about making a table myself, but I live in a small space and can't have something that large laying around.
Spraying and dremelling that board on the glass garden table hurt me inside, but apart from that, great episode!! Love it!
I would like to see at least one battle record with these miniatures. This thumbnail size is absolutely perfect and would be sufficient for me. A classic game of Warhammer 40K does not fit on my table. This is a beautiful combination of board game and wargaming. :)
This is an amazing idea. I love coffee table scale games and it makes me want to get a 3D printer, not sure my wife would approve haha. Also, loving the zoom functionality 🤣
'ello fresh never heard of them... joking aside great stuff lads love the banter between you two
I thought you got Eddie from Stranger Things because of that thumb nail. Lol.
Hahaha, I’ll take that
All videos should be edited to include the doggos. Dachshunds make everything better. Also cool idea for playing large point games in small space.
Those letter pieces from the works are a great idea for tiles, looks fantastic!
This is the most excited I've been about a project in forever. Adeptus was my first 40K experience way back in 1989, and I've been looking for that feeling ever since without the tedious little Epic figures or the gigantic amount of floor space. Watching this made me feel like I was 15 again.
+1 Normalize small 40k!
Mate love your videos and products. As a veteran it helps a lot with my mental health and modelling too. Keep the great work going
Nice project!
Can you tell where you get the files from (minis and terrain)? Thanks!
The 80s have called...they want their Hair back. Jokes aside awesome video mate, really love the Tiny Style videos. Nicely rounded from technics to army painting and terrain building
Thanks for that 😅
@@ThePickleJar That hair is a thing of beauty!! Got a Eddie Van Halen look going on. As a child of the 80's, I dig it.
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I'm down sizing my 20mm Early WWII to 6mm and an entire army fits into a box folder, and at Phalanx the other month a chap there was down sizing all his historical to 10mm from Pendraken. 6mm looks fantastic on a table.
Love this! Exactly what I'm looking to do. Glad to see someone else doing it!!
That's an awesome and inspirational project guys.
I must admit, I'm pretty tempted by scaled down Warhammer at the moment.
Heck I'm still half tempted by Epic too. I've had a load of old Epic miniatures lying around and thought I could scratch both the itch for small scale and Horus Heresy at the same time.
Thanks for another fun video, carry on and take care ;)
Love this!
Really like the idea of doing this as a way of trying out new games!
those "NOT" SM are 3d printed? oh damn, things looks amazing for DIY. as for scale; in the end, "NOT" Sm were already two heads bigger than IG, so nothing wrong with up scaling.
ok now that is COOL!!! Love the tiny tanks and marines. One of the cool ideas from this is that you don't have to paint forever and edge highlight like a maniac - you can knock them out and get gaming in no time!
Great concept guys! :):)
The worst thing about this video is that watching Luke cooking that food made me get hungry. ;) Great stuff as always.
I love that it just...sits on the wall there. You wouldnt even know, and its a friggin warhammer poster too! :D really great choices all around.
I am very tempted to make a travel version of 30K/40K with the new Legions Imperialis models. You could have a 2'x1' board with a hinge, so that it folds up into a 1' square, and that would be to scale an 8' x 4' board. have it metal backed, mount all the Nu-Epic models onto magnets (or use a cork board and mount the models onto push pins), and you now have a very portable version of the game.
Using a picture frame as the board so you can hang it up as art?? genius!
15(ish)mm is the perfect size for the 6x4 boards. 32mm on a 6x4 board looks and plays ridiculously.. No tactics, just IGO-UGO, slide my guys towards you, you slide towards me... it's crappy. When you shrink down, it opens up different kinds of games you'd never be able to play with standard geedubs stuff. Great vid. Hope it becomes a series!
Quick, rename the vid to make Heresy Tiny, get all the kids that are into new hotness onboard! Titanicus is set in 30k anyway, so ...
I love the idea of printing out scaled down 40K/30K basically makes it a transportable board game
Epic was always my favorite game, over and above 40k. Sure the minis don't have much definition, but the battles are just so much more spectacular. Taking an entire chapter of Blood Angels chapter into battle was... Epic (well most of the chapter anyway, since taking the whole chapter would be about a 10,000 point game and even 6,000 points takes a couple of full days to play).
This is what I'm aiming for. I have a couple of rogue trader books, I'd like more but c'mon, the prices. I haven't got the space for a gaming table
Great video! I still play Epic, and I think trying 6mm on a board that size would work as well with some adjustments.
Still wish GW would bring it back...
Great video. I really like the idea of hidden table-top stuff in general, being able to put things way in and not having serval shelfs wort of stuff sitting in the way is great.
But having to do math every move or using a special ruler for moving is obnoxious. I crave for game that uses smaller scale but normal measurements. One people play.
A THING IV'E NEVER SEEN: Low Poly Warhammer.
Miniatures that are like PS1 level low poly figures, painted up to take that low detail into account.
Any seen an army like that?
Honestly to me keeping them 8mm suffic. 2 reason: First I don't think OPR are that hot. And I played plenty of their stuff. Second even in that scale some cooler stuff such as Imperator titan would be way to big to game with it properly. (I mean look how small those warhounds are looking).
Ummm This was done before Games Workshop called it "Epic Space Marine" and It rocked....
I've been thinking for years that GW should do this. The 6mm miniatures were just TOO small. You could hardly tell the difference between (say) assault marines and terminators, or devastators and Imperial heavy infantry. 12mm is small enough to field loads of troops but still big enough to be seen and admired.
One word, bloody brilliant...don't mind me, I'm drunk.
Jokes aside, what kind of measurements system did you use for games and did it complicate things or throw stuff out of wack?
I absolutely love this and the economical use of space this scale offers in addition to the reduced painting load.
I want to try a normal game of 40k, just using 15mm models. I feel like the scale of 40k is all over the place. I want to make true scale 15mm 40k and play it with the same ranges in inches. I feel like it would make units appear to dash across the battlefield, 24" range weapons feel like they cover so much more ground, etc. I think it would be a vibe.
Love it! Would also love to see a modified ruleset. Not Epic necessarily, but a house rules version of 40k to speed things up and play a roughly 10k point game in a day or two. I guess apocalypse rules do that already? I'm not sure, haven't actually played it.
AKA "Tap Hammer". Luke I fucken love your philosophy about it fitting into your life when you want it the way you want it - I mean of course right!
The one problem I can see with this is that the Titans are now severely under-sized compared to the Marines. If you want to play 40K at a smaller scale (and I can't really blame you for that), why not simply stick to 6 mm?
Because I doubt GW would appreciate Luke posting a video where he uses entire armies of knock off GW models.
If you can find space marine STLs, you can find titanicus STLs and you just scale and print them too. 😉
@@86abaile Sure, you can find files for a Warhound, just as you can find files for Space Marines. Somehow doubt Games Workshop likes either of those options, but never mind that. They don't deserve our support any longer.
Why not just play a better board game, to keep it real warhammer 40k is a game made primarly to sell toys and lacks balance and rules that makes any sense for someone that prefers balanced mechancis. The best board game experience with miniz i encountered is Mythic Battles: Pantheon (2017) and miniz less with cards mage wars. Then what 40k is great for is the miniz and then the rules is just a great way to show your miniz and a reason to collect. But for in playing, naaah.
This is exactly why I stopped playing 40k - everything getting too big and taking over the house (Mrs very unhappy). What a great idea to have a board that hangs on the wall as a furniture fixture (Mrs will be happy). Just need a resin printer now 😊👍
Yo, Luke, long time watcher here. I'm sold on the pitch. Subbing to Patreon (whoa broken link?) and really hope to see more 'epic' games!
From a gaming point of perspective, I get this. From a painters perspective, I don't like small figurines. Smaller ones will never look as good as bigger minis. I picked warhammer for this reason, the minis are a perfect size for me. There are big ones smaller ones and in he middle. I have also painted lord of the rings models (way smaller) and I really disliked the tiny everything. It just lookes a bit mushed together when the model is to small.
But if you only want to play the game, like I said, I absolutely get it. These battlefield tables are huge.
Tiny Boardgaming becomes more and more appealing to me. I play Age of Fantasy Regiments with Warmaster Stripes and somehow due to the smaller regiment size, it feels a lot more epic. And yes, you can use smaller boards, less time to paint and assembly and field larger armies. Can't wait for my 3D printer, it is a follow-up model to yours, so I hope it will perform well with the 10mm scale.
well they did have this back in the day and old models of it are still floating around ebay. It was Epic 40k and it was how you did the old Apocalypse battles. (not dunking on the idea, just dumping some wargaming history.)
I'm a lifetime gamer of 3, 6, and 15mm scales for historicals. 28+ I find to be such a pain in the ass to paint and play. I do it, only begrudgingly.
How do you get 250% larger terrain out of a jump from epic 6mm to titanicus 8mm scale escapes me.
250% larger epic terrain would be 15mm or nearly twice as large as titanicus.
I quit the game in 2004-ish after starting back in 1988 or so. This format would be interesting for me to go back and play again.
I know this vid is a year old, hope you've seen or tried Battletech at some point. I know it's harder to get some places, but with it's Alpha Strike rules it has a lot of the same feel as what you made here.
Not such a new idea. As far back as the 90s someone made a travel 40k set which simply used Epic minis instead of 40k minis on a tiny board that fitted in his luggage.
Myself, I'm working on a microscale version of Low Level Hell, and a 15mm version of Deadlands: The Great Rail Wars. As well as micro-Gaslands.
I always liked the idea of Epic, but never got into it. I also liked the idea of Adeptus Titanicus but again, never really got into it, though this time mainly because I wanted to see more tanks and Thunderhawks and shit like that that included. But I love the look of this. Those tiny marines look amazing. And easy to paint up a whole army too. I would definitely give this a try. Where can I get the models from though (baring in mind I don't have a 3D printer, though I do have a friend who might be able to help me out if needs be.)
ive wanted to do this since i got a 3D printer, as ive always wanted to field proper titan armies but unfortunately i can barely get people to paint their NORMAL 40k stuff.
Even if i offered to print things for them and they just buy the Titanticus models for their own army i'd be surprised if i could get anyone to do it.
Love this video but did Josh eat something off his knife during the Hello Fresh ad? Animal 😂
I'm not going to waste precious gravy!
@@ThePickleJar ah I didn't realise it was gravy! I retract my objection!
What scale would equal 40k but in cm. 32 mm times 0.393700787 inch 12,5 mm
Before watching this video, I was never too interested in smaller scale warhammer or minis. Maybe it was I just saw some small scale minis that weren't my taste or something else, but what y'all showed has now got me interested. The scaling of minis in a 3D printer definitely makes it more likeable to me, so I can still choose the minis I want but at a different scale, and the paint jobs and terrain look wonderful. I may give it a try. Keep up the great work!
I want to see a primarch, the emperor, and a Custodes in accurate scale to these size miniatures.