Highway travelling always produces best MPG and range. He travels alone , no cabin weight load of four people and nothing in the trunk ! ? Go into the desert with A/C running . Go through winter mountain ranges . I want extremes .
@@mikewallace8087 Highway speeds reduce EV efficiency and range. Cabin weight also has little effect in this sort of highway test. Heavy AC use reduces range, ofc.
ICE is more efficient on the highway, as engines don’t like to be run at low power and temp and power is lost when braking. An EV recoups on braking, and is thus only really affected by rolling resistance and windresistance. And doubling speed quadruples wind resistance, so 70mph is a lot less efficient then 35mph. And in an ice your most efficient speed will likely be 40-55mph.
Yeah, real game changer. Imagine how cheap it will be when the Saudi Arabian owners of the company relocate all the manufacturing into Saudi Arabia and can have it fully built by their slave labor.
The lucid reminds me of the first Lexus LS 400. A true game changer for Lexus entry into US luxury market. I hope Lucid thrive and continue to innovate. Waiting for Gravity!
@@itswiz4785 i am not a EV skeptic, but as of now 8/2024 , if you were on a road trip of over a 1500 miles, after 6.6 hrs at 70 mph, and you had to stop and charge, it would then take 26 minutes to charge to 80%, and i dont know how long to 100%, so to completely obliterate gasoline cars , we need to be able to recharge to 100% in 5 min and then the game would be over, its coming another 3 years max, AND of course this is the only major limitation of EV's right now , as no one has to go on road trips, thats just for pleasure, if you use this car in town and charge at work or home it is already a game changer , now have this tech (batt size, efficiency, etc) in a smaller car at $25K !!
@@ambertudor No one should be charging to 100% and should be doing shorter charge stops to add a little here and there, which is perfect for bathroom breaks. This is because until battery technology changes, charging to 100% frequently isn't good for the battery health. We need to let go of the ICE fuel mentality of filling up the tank, with EV's it's a different mentality. Charge to 100% only if where you are going has limited charging stations.
True, starts to be about right. Though in winter the range will halve. Not to forget, that my year model 2000 VW Passat could do 800 miles (mostly 50 mph / 60 mph). It was advertized to do over 745 miles and I had still about 60 miles to spare at 750 miles mark.
It’s the best EV currently in production. The range is the best part. I have also done some tests on my Lucid GT and can confirm that if you switch the tires on the 21” wheels with Hankook Ion Evos you will only lose around 20ish miles instead of the 60 on the Pirelli Pzeros. We still love our Tesla but the quality and customer service with the Lucid is on another level. Cheers!
I easily get that efficiency with my TESLA Model S with ~375 miles of range after a year and a half of battery degradation. Lucid is unimpressive in my book. Yeah, they get that range lugging around ~ 100 miles worth of additional🔋 battery.
I’m not jealous of the price tag, battery size or even the total range of this car, because I’m ready to get out of the car and take a break after 250 miles. I’m jealous of the efficiency. My old Model 3 would struggle to achieve that kind of efficiency, and my current Model S isn’t even close. We won’t even talk about my EV9, which is just a little more than half as efficient as this. I wish other EV manufacturers would take efficiency as seriously as Lucid.
I easily get that efficiency with my TESLA Model S with ~375 miles of range after a year and a half of battery degradation. Lucid is unimpressive in my book. Yeah, they get that range lugging around ~ 100 miles worth of additional🔋 battery.
@@martin3316 I'm more impressed with efficiency than range. 4.2 mi/kWh is a little better than a Chevy Bolt gets, which is pretty good. Generally, adding more battery increases range, but makes a car less efficient. Of course, that can only be done so much as the extra mass will also tend to decrease efficiency, thereby decreasing range. It also increases charging time. There is a balancing act going on. Clearly, the best depends on use case. I'm glad you're happy with your Model S.
@@lesliefranklin1870 he is clearly a bot. Parroting his nonesense. I can beat 4.2 on my touring. At one point i got 4.5 mi/kwh. But its not standardized. The fool thinks his range matter. Tesla S has lower efficiency than Lucid thats just a fact. As Tesla is focused on mass production. Lucid is focused on Efficiency. He will call us tesla haters for that.. lmao
Thanks for that brutal test. Me as a older gentleman I’m stopping every 2-4 hours. Personally I charger hoop. I drive the Electrified G80 and I run it down low and take what I need. Plus I’m retired and love the sense of adventure. I ran my car down once to see where the buffer was and it was a white knuckle as well. I don’t like to sit at chargers more than 20 minutes.
@@gregpochet4812Not true. The range may be needed in areas that are charging deserts. Watch the Out Of Spec road trips and you will see the flexibility the range gives you to skip chargers that are crowded or broken. It will be irrelevant when chargers are ubiquitous. But for now, it’s helpful.
@@gregpochet4812 The only nice thing about that kind of range capability is in really cold temperatures. I lose about 100 miles of range in my model 3 when temperature start dropping below 20F.
That is amazing Tom, about 740km range WAY more than my bladder can do and I can do, would need to stop and sleep overnight before going onwards. Definitely good to tell the skeptics.
Tom, the Tesla Supercharger down the road at the WaWa is now a Magic Dock location. (Union Ave) It’s not marked as such in PlugShare. I posted a note and reported it to PlugShare. I just charged my ID.4 there. In case you want to do a range test and don’t want to wait at EA charger. Those always have a wait. I’m from the Bridgewater area too.
Lucid has a weak voltage booster, only 50KW, so it should only use Superchargers if they have no other choice. It really needs 1000V chargers so it's stuck using CCS for now. I'd guess that they will fix this in the Gravity, either split pack charging like GM or a bigger booster, but until the Gravity is revealed we won't know for sure.
Didn’t realize Lucid required high voltage chargers. Watched Kyle O’Conner’s video charging Lucid at Magic Dock and he only pulled 50 kw. Thanks for info. Not that I have a Lucid. My VW ID.4 at a low state of charge will pull about 130 kw at Magic Dock location. Anyway if Tom needs to do another range test with a vehicle that can utilize the superchargers, the Tesla Superchargers are only a mile away from the EA chargers he uses. They were converted over fairly recently.
Look forward to your Range test of the Chey Silverado RST EV, which may get 450miles with it nominal 212KWH battery which is twice the battery of this Lucid but a total; range king for a truck that can tow relatively heavy loads.
Good job Tom! Similar to City/Highway EPA ratings got ICE-vehicles, we need a EV City/Highway rating. As I have not met anyone who does 516 city miles in a day. When we think of that top-line range number, we think of road trips all at highway speeds. For highway driving, 10-15% range cut is typical. The efficiency of Lucid rivals your BMW i3! When you hit 1:30AM, I figured a call to the Misses for a bail out would lead to divorce ppwk! Kyle would be proud of you driving at 0%.
I hope Gravity will see mass production and be global product. As a father of 3 I would love to be able to buy one in EU in few years with service and good warranty
2022 Air GT owner, I consistantly get a charge range of 470 miles and normally charge at 450 miles with my 21" wheels. The car normally reports that I when I plug in, I still have between 25 and 30 miles of range still left in the pack. Charge range is totally different than drive range, plus no one should ever drive to zero SOC, nor should anyone drive their ICE to empty. Lucid will gladly give you that actual performace numbers you need to get that coveted 516 miles of range, but you will never get those numbers on the open public road system. You need the perfect closed track with the perfect set of driving conditions. I do know that 65mph is prime speed to use on the test, no climate control, but I cannot remember the other conditions. I'm perfectly happy with the range I get with mine. Overall a good video and intesting stats at the end with comparisons. Good Luck
Great video as always Tom. I’m sure you would have ended at 4.4 mi/kWh had temps stayed at 80. The car loves 80 degrees, my 2022 Air GT did 4.4 mi/kwh at 70mph over 120 mile test I did when it was a steady 80 degrees out. I also noticed when doing loops, the on ramp acceleration needed to get this heavy high powered vehicle up to highway speeds harms efficiency.
Tom, thanks for a wonderful range test. I wouldn’t want to do it. None of this is surprising because I owned a 2023 Lucid GT rated for over 500 mi range, paying $155K. It was a beast on range. But, software bugs made me return it. These bugs may be fixed now. We opted instead for solid software in EQS 580, costing much less than Lucid, but less range. Besides the Hyperscreen, the best feature of EQ series is 10 degree rear wheel steering. Radius is close to a model 3 and this is a very long vehicle. When not driving the EQ, our other family EV is a 2022 Model S with fabulous range. Frankly, since over 59, my bladder has far less range than my EVs. Got a fix for it?
We appreciate your toil (and boredom). Wonderful car; best EV on the market, for my money. (To nitpick, have you considered a Go-Pro set towards the windscreen, too? Good to have the windscreen view as main, with presenter in smaller window, ala Smoking Tyre.)
Þe Lucid Air is definitely a beautiful car. I am considering getting a Gravity for my parents when it comes out. As a Taycan owner, I have to agree þat it is an amazing car; you should get one. 😉
The Lucid Pure and Touring are a hell of a lease deal currently. I have considered a lease a couple of times but charging holds me back. I would prefer NACS but Tesla Superchargers do not charge Lucid very well. With all that range though, I would likely rarely need fast charging.
Supercharging is overrated. Get a level 2 at home. It cost about 200 bucks for a lucid level 2 charger. I only charge at the SC because it was free. I would rather take care of the battery and not supercharge. I also have a lease but my next is a buy and it will try to avoid lvl 3 chargers as it stress the battery a lot.
I feel Lucid has the better technology, just wish they could get their prices more affordable, get their stock price up and get more service centers. But really wish they'd use smaller wheels, they are so much better for range and have more beef on the sidewalls for pothole protection. I really hate rubber band tires. Larger wheel are not worth the range hit. And if you can handle a stiffer ride, put more air in the tires as that will increase the range also. And if only Lucid would do a chrome delete on their vehicles, the chrome look is the past. Where are you getting that this car is rated at 516 miles of range? On the Lucid site it says it's EPA rated at 512 miles.
Let me have that car! I make an 825 mile trip every month in my PHEV. If I could afford it, then it would be time to move up. Tell me how comfortable the seat was after the trip. (I’m a retired tour bus driver, with a large bladder. ). Most cars and EV’s won’t win against my bladder.
Would love to see an 80MPH test as a comparison, like you did with the Lyriq. Would the more aerodynamic car suffer less from the speed increase? Useful to know, as there are lots of places where flow of traffic is closer to 80.
Great test. The EPA site is little confusing since it says 2023 GT and not mention 2024 but I assume it is the same. Really looking forward to you doing the same in Gravity.
Congratulations to Lucid for doing what other EV manufacturers should have done from the get go. EVs today would have a better adoption coming from an ICE vehicle if the manufacturers just made a more compelling EV for consumers to buy into. 300 miles of estimated range for consumers to buy an EV still falls short of the measure whereas the Lucid took the time an engineering to produce a worthy EV for consumers coming from an ICE vehicle. Very excited to see Lucid with their upcoming SUV. Consumers will spend the money on this SUV since it outperforms EV SUV (better range) from other manufacturers. This will be one of the few EV SUVs that a consumer can buy vs leasing because it outperforms its ICE counterparts.
Impressive range…and driving so long Tom! Assuming NMC batteries, keeping the max state of charge at 70% - 80% still should give most enough range for a week or 2 of daily between charging. 32:27
Great testing as always! Edmunds tested the 2022 model also at 465 mi. That's certainly nowhere near 5 mi/kWh. Range is great with that massiv pack and good efficiency, but Lucids technology claims in terms of 'years ahead of competition' are a bit overblown. Mercedes is currently using motors by Bosch or Conti(?) for their EQS models. Maybe we'll see improvements with the upcoming facelift. The next gen eATS 2.0 e-axle is said to go into production by the end of the year. Btw Edmunds is including charging into their consumption data and there the Lucid was tested at 28.4 kWh/100 mi vs 29.5 kWh/100 mi for the EQS 450+.... there must be quite some charging losses with the Lucid.
Lucid's tech claims seem valid, especially so since they exist in the market today. Other manufacturers are no doubt improving, but Lucid itself is investing heavily in R&D for it's upcoming mid-size models.
@@lowvaeater The graphic Lucid shared said "Lucid Air" 146mpg, but I guess you're right, since they stated 137mpg for 2024. So Lucid is saying, you can either be more efficient and go as far as Mercedes because you're buying a smaller battery pack with the Pure or buy a big pack and be as efficient as Mercedes (real world data, including charging loss; see Edmunds) but go further.
It is heavy with such a large battery, I get that, but another advantage of the large battery is a daily 80% charger still gives you more than 350 miles of range up your sleeve.
Great video with lots of useful information. Thanks! I wonder however, how much does the range on this Lucid Air GT go down if you drive a consistent 80-82 mph. Where I live here in Utah that's the speed limit on the interstate - 80 mph. I make frequent trips from UT to MT on I-15 and I drive 80-85 mph. I don't want to drive 70 mph the whole way. I've had a Model Y long range for 3 years, and while I like it very much as a daily driver around home, it's not great at road trips if I drive the speed limit on the interstate. Range collapses down to 200 miles or less if I drive 80mph, and it really does poorly if there's a headwind or colder temps. I was in the market for an EV truck over the last 6 months and actually chose to buy an and F-150 hybrid (Powerboost) because of the range issues described above. I'd really like to own an EV car or truck that can make a 550 mile roadtrip at 80 mph without adding hours to the trip for charging?
I drove about 800 miles last week with my wife’s Acura MDX. We decided to drive the gas car so we wouldn’t have so many stops. Only needed to stop for gas 2 times - typically with the Tesla it’s 4 charging stops, but wife needed bathroom break 4 times, 1 food stop. So ended up taking roughly the same time as driving my tesla. 😂😂😂 But yes if you’re just driving solo, relatively health with a strong bladder - gas car will be faster. Except in most cases when going on roadtrips, you’ll have the wife and kids who will need periodic breaks. 😂
So the question that remains for me is… which of those top 3 mentioned (Lucid, EQS, or Model S) has the best charging curve? My road trips are 1,400 miles. SWFL to middle of CT. I road-tripped my Model Y and spent about 5 additional hours charging during the 1,400-mile trip. It was probably “safer” because I did catch a few naps during the 20-30-minute charging stops. If the Lucid goes 400 miles but take an hour (or more) to charge, its not worth spending triple the amount of the cost of my Model Y.
model Y needs 350 mile 70mph its more like 240-250 miles and we have a 260 mile round trip, sucks not being able to make the whole trip , we also have a 700 round trip that takes 2-3 stops which is sorta sucks. For us 350 mile 70 mph highwa seems like the sweet spot for long range travel and if we could charge 10-80 in 15 minutes or less we would never own another ICE vehicle. The Silverado EV is very tempting but seems just a little to pricey, drop them 10k and they would sell 10x+ more
How far did you get once you hit 10% SOC? this is a stat that should be given on these range tests as it tells the consumer what realistically they will get on highway mileage before they really should start looking for a charger. This will help with planning a road trip with these much longer range vehicles. Doing the math it looks like you were probably somewhere around 420 miles at 10% SOC.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Oh sorry I can see I phrased that wrong but actually that information is good to know as well. I was more thinking total range from 100% to 10% because this lets people know if they can make the trip without having to stop for a charge. I know with this amount of range people will need to stop anyway to use the restroom or just take a break but this allows people to not need or have to look or care about finding or dealing with a charger especially if they book a hotel with charging. Just drive to hotel and get charged and then drive home or on to the next hotel.
I'm guessing that, if the car had been driven in the daytime, the rang would have been greater - headlights use a lot of juice, plus the A/C was on. (I would also have had music playing. The wonderful near-total silence of this car, he sounded like he was in a studio, makes it perfect for listening to music while driving.) Still, nothing wrong with 460 miles.
You should add an average decibel level rating on your range test. Some of the efficiency loss in the Mercedes may come from heavier luxury items and sound proofing.
Skip the 19 and 21 and go with the 20's. Tires on 21 and 19's are notorious for weak sidewall bubbles. Plus 20 is staggered so it will perform better while not having the range penalty of the 21.
Wow for comparison that’s 23.8 kWh/ 100 miles. I get no where near that with my xc40. The best I got was 27kWh/100 miles and that’s a mix of city and highway with some downhills. My avg is about 34kWh/ 100miles
Credit where credit's due, the car is clearly efficient and has a tremendous range. However, making the best isn't that difficult when that's your goal and you aren't focused on delivering that at an affordable price. This is the problem Lucid faces. They aren't focusing on simplifying the design for manufacturing from the inception. You can't reduce costs anywhere near as effectively after it's achieved its performance goals, especially when the numbers you make are tiny. So well done Lucid, it's just a pity that you're unlikely to survive with this strategy.
I have 2 comments - Kudos you didn't blow your blood-pressure standing at the red light with 0% battery. I will leave it at I wouldn't blowing some serious steam at that point while you are all calm - How did you not have to use the restroom for 7 hours? Were you carrying a empty bottle? ;-)
I didn't drink much during the day before the test. But I did make a very quick stop of about 8 minutes at the end when I had about 50 miles to go. I stopped at a rest stop right off the highway and was back on the road in under 10 minutes. I did it more to stretch my legs and back because I didn't *need* to use the restroom at the time.
He didn't really get 463 miles. Tom forgot to subtract the 2 mile an hour (2.85%) odometer error. When adjusted for this error, the Lucid got 449.7 miles.This might still seem ok, but what if the battery pack is under reported by the same amount? Anyone can put a bigger battery in their car.
That's not how the odometers work. They aren't directly calibrated to the speedometer. Many OEMs purposely set the speedometers to read a little fast because they get fined if they read slow. Ahh, you're one of those ridiculous Lucid battery size conspiracy guys, now I understand. Sigh.
I noticed that you used "smooth" mode for the test, which didn't even hit the EPA range. Did you test the tesla in "chill" mode? I noticed that I can always drive more than EPA range in chill mode.
The 70 mph range is good info, but can someone please perform a more realistic range test at highway speeds of at least 80 to 85 (where its legal or on a closed course) so that we can extrapolate what a real range is for those of us who tend to be in a rush for whatever reason.
The specification sheet downloaded from the Lucid website states the 2024 GT has 111kwh battery and the 2025 has 118kwh. That explains why Tom's test revealed use of 111kwh, not 118kwh.
But do we really need a 450+mile range EV(non towing)? Sure , if a $50k EV gets that, I will take it, but I am not dropping $100k+ to get a range that I don't need, even on road trips. Most, if not all, will have to stop way before 500 miles.
But going a lot faster will reduce the range dramatically. On a real roadtrip through Germany people will go 160 kph (100 mph). And you also will not charge to 100% so it is great for that.
@@JensPilemandOttesenExactly. In real world driving terms here in America, what my Lucid Air GT means for me is that I can go 150 miles further down the road than in my previous Tesla Model S100D, before worrying about having to charge. It also means I spend 35 to 45 minutes of DCFC charging time instead of well over an hour in my Tesla. In real life EV road tripping, it is game changing.
I drive on the west coast and a more realistic left lane freeway speed is closer to 85. If you are going 70 you will be fighting with the big rigs in the right lane your entire trip.
As long ranges increasingly become the norm, you may need to adjust your test track. Stay safe dude; conking out on NJ backroads at night is not a desirable situation, right? Different subject, instead of saying "twenty five percent state of charge" how about "25 sock"?
At 70mph, this is an incredible range. Lucid is definitely a game-changer. Bravo!!!
Highway travelling always produces best MPG and range. He travels alone , no cabin weight load of four people and nothing in the trunk ! ? Go into the desert with A/C running . Go through winter mountain ranges . I want extremes .
@@mikewallace8087 Highway speeds reduce EV efficiency and range. Cabin weight also has little effect in this sort of highway test. Heavy AC use reduces range, ofc.
ICE is more efficient on the highway, as engines don’t like to be run at low power and temp and power is lost when braking.
An EV recoups on braking, and is thus only really affected by rolling resistance and windresistance.
And doubling speed quadruples wind resistance, so 70mph is a lot less efficient then 35mph.
And in an ice your most efficient speed will likely be 40-55mph.
Yeah, real game changer. Imagine how cheap it will be when the Saudi Arabian owners of the company relocate all the manufacturing into Saudi Arabia and can have it fully built by their slave labor.
@@mikewallace8087 Tell me you know nothing about EVs without telling me you know nothing about EVs.
Tom - Very, very cool of you to switch to AC charging for the last "top-up" at the beginning of the video. Cheers!
Wow, thanks Tom for taking one for the team! 🙇🏽♂️🫡💪🏽
The lucid reminds me of the first Lexus LS 400. A true game changer for Lexus entry into US luxury market. I hope Lucid thrive and continue to innovate. Waiting for Gravity!
450+ miles of range at highway speed is enough for even the biggest EV skeptics.
Yep, no excuse now. (Except for price)
@@itswiz4785 i am not a EV skeptic, but as of now 8/2024 , if you were on a road trip of over a 1500 miles, after 6.6 hrs at 70 mph, and you had to stop and charge, it would then take 26 minutes to charge to 80%, and i dont know how long to 100%, so to completely obliterate gasoline cars , we need to be able to recharge to 100% in 5 min and then the game would be over, its coming another 3 years max, AND of course this is the only major limitation of EV's right now , as no one has to go on road trips, thats just for pleasure, if you use this car in town and charge at work or home it is already a game changer , now have this tech (batt size, efficiency, etc) in a smaller car at $25K !!
It takes an hour 25 minutes starting at 19% SOC to get to 100%.
@@ambertudor No one should be charging to 100% and should be doing shorter charge stops to add a little here and there, which is perfect for bathroom breaks. This is because until battery technology changes, charging to 100% frequently isn't good for the battery health. We need to let go of the ICE fuel mentality of filling up the tank, with EV's it's a different mentality. Charge to 100% only if where you are going has limited charging stations.
True, starts to be about right. Though in winter the range will halve.
Not to forget, that my year model 2000 VW Passat could do 800 miles (mostly 50 mph / 60 mph). It was advertized to do over 745 miles and I had still about 60 miles to spare at 750 miles mark.
It’s the best EV currently in production. The range is the best part. I have also done some tests on my Lucid GT and can confirm that if you switch the tires on the 21” wheels with Hankook Ion Evos you will only lose around 20ish miles instead of the 60 on the Pirelli Pzeros. We still love our Tesla but the quality and customer service with the Lucid is on another level. Cheers!
Yes the hankook tires are pretty good and smooth. 👍🏼
if the taycan didnt exist i would agree with you
Thanks Tom! Keep up the good work, I can only speak for myself but you are one of my very favorite TH-camrs!
Thanks, Greg. it means a lot to me when I hear that.
4.2 miles per kWh is what I used get in my Chevy Bolt under ideal conditions. Impressive!
I easily get that efficiency with my TESLA Model S with ~375 miles of range after a year and a half of battery degradation. Lucid is unimpressive in my book. Yeah, they get that range lugging around ~ 100 miles worth of additional🔋 battery.
@@martin3316 well the latest Lucid Air Pure gets 5.0 miles per kWh on the EPA cycle so I guess Tesla will be playing catch up for awhile.
The Bolts inefficiency is primairly due to its shape. Its an electric brick on the HWY.
Remember that's combined efficiency of your entire driving style. This was a straight 70mph highway run.
@@martin3316 i doubt your model S can do 4.2 kwh on the highway. 3.8 at its best. 😂
Haha, i was tense at the end when you were sitting at the light.
I’m not jealous of the price tag, battery size or even the total range of this car, because I’m ready to get out of the car and take a break after 250 miles. I’m jealous of the efficiency. My old Model 3 would struggle to achieve that kind of efficiency, and my current Model S isn’t even close. We won’t even talk about my EV9, which is just a little more than half as efficient as this. I wish other EV manufacturers would take efficiency as seriously as Lucid.
Love, love, love their engineering efficiency‼️ 32:15
Lucid offers cheaper Air models with demo cars now available starting under $57,000
Great job. 4.2 mi/kWh is very efficient.
Can't wait for the range test of the 1,000-mile Aptera when that is available.
I easily get that efficiency with my TESLA Model S with ~375 miles of range after a year and a half of battery degradation. Lucid is unimpressive in my book. Yeah, they get that range lugging around ~ 100 miles worth of additional🔋 battery.
@@martin3316 I'm more impressed with efficiency than range. 4.2 mi/kWh is a little better than a Chevy Bolt gets, which is pretty good. Generally, adding more battery increases range, but makes a car less efficient. Of course, that can only be done so much as the extra mass will also tend to decrease efficiency, thereby decreasing range. It also increases charging time. There is a balancing act going on. Clearly, the best depends on use case.
I'm glad you're happy with your Model S.
@@lesliefranklin1870 he is clearly a bot. Parroting his nonesense. I can beat 4.2 on my touring. At one point i got 4.5 mi/kwh. But its not standardized. The fool thinks his range matter. Tesla S has lower efficiency than Lucid thats just a fact. As Tesla is focused on mass production. Lucid is focused on Efficiency. He will call us tesla haters for that.. lmao
Lucid makes great vehicles. Looking forward to the Lucid Gravity coming out later this year. Wish they would make a RHD version for the UK.
Thanks for that brutal test. Me as a older gentleman I’m stopping every 2-4 hours. Personally I charger hoop. I drive the Electrified G80 and I run it down low and take what I need. Plus I’m retired and love the sense of adventure. I ran my car down once to see where the buffer was and it was a white knuckle as well. I don’t like to sit at chargers more than 20 minutes.
I stop every 1-2 hours. Closer to one.
@@COSolar6419 Two cups of coffee and I’m stopped every two hour’s as well.
More than double my XC40 Recharge. Terrific video. Thx🎉
Yeah, I love my XC40 but really wish it could put out 300 miles
Way below 200 miles of range during winter weather.
Finally! I can drive 7 hours without stopping like everyone seems to need... 🙄
For real, by 4 hours I NEED a break.
Agreed. This car is solving a problem that does not exist.
@@gregpochet4812Not true. The range may be needed in areas that are charging deserts. Watch the Out Of Spec road trips and you will see the flexibility the range gives you to skip chargers that are crowded or broken.
It will be irrelevant when chargers are ubiquitous. But for now, it’s helpful.
After 2 hours in a car i'm ready to jump out.
@@gregpochet4812 The only nice thing about that kind of range capability is in really cold temperatures. I lose about 100 miles of range in my model 3 when temperature start dropping below 20F.
That is amazing Tom, about 740km range WAY more than my bladder can do and I can do, would need to stop and sleep overnight before going onwards. Definitely good to tell the skeptics.
@Tom dude i know how you feel man it’s crazy driving almost 7hours non-stop .. well done brother!
Hahaha, that's quite the range test! You should get a medal.
I find the speedo is 2~3 MPH optimistic on mine.
Fantastic result! I imagine 75-77 mph should be good for 400 miles of range, which is probably what I do on the NJ turnpike when headed from MA to NC.
Tom, the Tesla Supercharger down the road at the WaWa is now a Magic Dock location. (Union Ave) It’s not marked as such in PlugShare. I posted a note and reported it to PlugShare. I just charged my ID.4 there. In case you want to do a range test and don’t want to wait at EA charger. Those always have a wait. I’m from the Bridgewater area too.
Lucid has a weak voltage booster, only 50KW, so it should only use Superchargers if they have no other choice. It really needs 1000V chargers so it's stuck using CCS for now. I'd guess that they will fix this in the Gravity, either split pack charging like GM or a bigger booster, but until the Gravity is revealed we won't know for sure.
@@joshuarosen465 Gravity will have a fast voltage booster. This was confirmed by Lucid just a couple days ago.
Didn’t realize Lucid required high voltage chargers. Watched Kyle O’Conner’s video charging Lucid at Magic Dock and he only pulled 50 kw. Thanks for info. Not that I have a Lucid. My VW ID.4 at a low state of charge will pull about 130 kw at Magic Dock location. Anyway if Tom needs to do another range test with a vehicle that can utilize the superchargers, the Tesla Superchargers are only a mile away from the EA chargers he uses. They were converted over fairly recently.
Look forward to your Range test of the Chey Silverado RST EV, which may get 450miles with it nominal 212KWH battery which is twice the battery of this Lucid but a total; range king for a truck that can tow relatively heavy loads.
Good job Tom! Similar to City/Highway EPA ratings got ICE-vehicles, we need a EV City/Highway rating. As I have not met anyone who does 516 city miles in a day. When we think of that top-line range number, we think of road trips all at highway speeds. For highway driving, 10-15% range cut is typical.
The efficiency of Lucid rivals your BMW i3! When you hit 1:30AM, I figured a call to the Misses for a bail out would lead to divorce ppwk! Kyle would be proud of you driving at 0%.
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I hope Gravity will see mass production and be global product. As a father of 3 I would love to be able to buy one in EU in few years with service and good warranty
2022 Air GT owner, I consistantly get a charge range of 470 miles and normally charge at 450 miles with my 21" wheels. The car normally reports that I when I plug in, I still have between 25 and 30 miles of range still left in the pack. Charge range is totally different than drive range, plus no one should ever drive to zero SOC, nor should anyone drive their ICE to empty. Lucid will gladly give you that actual performace numbers you need to get that coveted 516 miles of range, but you will never get those numbers on the open public road system. You need the perfect closed track with the perfect set of driving conditions. I do know that 65mph is prime speed to use on the test, no climate control, but I cannot remember the other conditions. I'm perfectly happy with the range I get with mine. Overall a good video and intesting stats at the end with comparisons.
Good Luck
Great video as always Tom. I’m sure you would have ended at 4.4 mi/kWh had temps stayed at 80. The car loves 80 degrees, my 2022 Air GT did 4.4 mi/kwh at 70mph over 120 mile test I did when it was a steady 80 degrees out. I also noticed when doing loops, the on ramp acceleration needed to get this heavy high powered vehicle up to highway speeds harms efficiency.
Tom, thanks for a wonderful range test. I wouldn’t want to do it. None of this is surprising because I owned a 2023 Lucid GT rated for over 500 mi range, paying $155K. It was a beast on range. But, software bugs made me return it. These bugs may be fixed now.
We opted instead for solid software in EQS 580, costing much less than Lucid, but less range. Besides the Hyperscreen, the best feature of EQ series is 10 degree rear wheel steering. Radius is close to a model 3 and this is a very long vehicle. When not driving the EQ, our other family EV is a 2022 Model S with fabulous range. Frankly, since over 59, my bladder has far less range than my EVs. Got a fix for it?
Looking forward to seeing what Lucid does with its "affordable" sedan, when that comes out. Should be special.
TommyMo, you stressed your bladder so we don't have to. Seriously, great video. I can't wait for Gravity.
We appreciate your toil (and boredom). Wonderful car; best EV on the market, for my money.
(To nitpick, have you considered a Go-Pro set towards the windscreen, too? Good to have the windscreen view as main, with presenter in smaller window, ala Smoking Tyre.)
Þe Lucid Air is definitely a beautiful car. I am considering getting a Gravity for my parents when it comes out. As a Taycan owner, I have to agree þat it is an amazing car; you should get one. 😉
If I see you on the turnpike I’ll honk the truck horn 😎🚛
I have a 2023 awd touring 20" wheels. 380 full. Best most fun fastest, quiet vehicle ever!!!
The Lucid Pure and Touring are a hell of a lease deal currently. I have considered a lease a couple of times but charging holds me back. I would prefer NACS but Tesla Superchargers do not charge Lucid very well. With all that range though, I would likely rarely need fast charging.
Supercharging is overrated. Get a level 2 at home. It cost about 200 bucks for a lucid level 2 charger. I only charge at the SC because it was free. I would rather take care of the battery and not supercharge. I also have a lease but my next is a buy and it will try to avoid lvl 3 chargers as it stress the battery a lot.
Brand new yes they are very expensive however you can get the Grand Touring for less than $70K slightly used.
Glad to see your back doing range testings
I feel Lucid has the better technology, just wish they could get their prices more affordable, get their stock price up and get more service centers. But really wish they'd use smaller wheels, they are so much better for range and have more beef on the sidewalls for pothole protection. I really hate rubber band tires. Larger wheel are not worth the range hit. And if you can handle a stiffer ride, put more air in the tires as that will increase the range also. And if only Lucid would do a chrome delete on their vehicles, the chrome look is the past.
Where are you getting that this car is rated at 516 miles of range? On the Lucid site it says it's EPA rated at 512 miles.
Let me have that car! I make an 825 mile trip every month in my PHEV. If I could afford it, then it would be time to move up. Tell me how comfortable the seat was after the trip. (I’m a retired tour bus driver, with a large bladder. ). Most cars and EV’s won’t win against my bladder.
Love the Lucid!
Excellent! Thanks Tom. Very useful information.
Are you using roughly 230Wh/mi at 70mph? That's amazing
Would love to see an 80MPH test as a comparison, like you did with the Lyriq. Would the more aerodynamic car suffer less from the speed increase? Useful to know, as there are lots of places where flow of traffic is closer to 80.
Hi, Tom. I own a 2022-build GT. I believe the GT’s battery capacity is 112 kWh.
As per usual with an EV the EPA combined range is approximately equal to a steady ~60mph on a level hwy. 90% of EPA range at 70mph is a good result.
Yeah, 65mph in ideal weather is EPA, 55mph in cold weather is EPA in my experience. So 60 is just about right for rule of thumb
Great test. The EPA site is little confusing since it says 2023 GT and not mention 2024 but I assume it is the same. Really looking forward to you doing the same in Gravity.
Not seen a range test from Tom for ages, good one.
Congratulations to Lucid for doing what other EV manufacturers should have done from the get go. EVs today would have a better adoption coming from an ICE vehicle if the manufacturers just made a more compelling EV for consumers to buy into. 300 miles of estimated range for consumers to buy an EV still falls short of the measure whereas the Lucid took the time an engineering to produce a worthy EV for consumers coming from an ICE vehicle. Very excited to see Lucid with their upcoming SUV. Consumers will spend the money on this SUV since it outperforms EV SUV (better range) from other manufacturers. This will be one of the few EV SUVs that a consumer can buy vs leasing because it outperforms its ICE counterparts.
Impressive range…and driving so long Tom! Assuming NMC batteries, keeping the max state of charge at 70% - 80% still should give most enough range for a week or 2 of daily between charging. 32:27
Great testing as always! Edmunds tested the 2022 model also at 465 mi. That's certainly nowhere near 5 mi/kWh. Range is great with that massiv pack and good efficiency, but Lucids technology claims in terms of 'years ahead of competition' are a bit overblown. Mercedes is currently using motors by Bosch or Conti(?) for their EQS models. Maybe we'll see improvements with the upcoming facelift. The next gen eATS 2.0 e-axle is said to go into production by the end of the year. Btw Edmunds is including charging into their consumption data and there the Lucid was tested at 28.4 kWh/100 mi vs 29.5 kWh/100 mi for the EQS 450+.... there must be quite some charging losses with the Lucid.
FYI, 5mi/kWh is for 2025 Pure RWD, not prior GT.
Lucid's tech claims seem valid, especially so since they exist in the market today. Other manufacturers are no doubt improving, but Lucid itself is investing heavily in R&D for it's upcoming mid-size models.
@@lowvaeater The graphic Lucid shared said "Lucid Air" 146mpg, but I guess you're right, since they stated 137mpg for 2024. So Lucid is saying, you can either be more efficient and go as far as Mercedes because you're buying a smaller battery pack with the Pure or buy a big pack and be as efficient as Mercedes (real world data, including charging loss; see Edmunds) but go further.
@@hankmoody7521what the hell are you saying... Am guessing you own a Mercedes EQS
4.3 Miles per kW is pretty good. That’s about whaI I get in my Spark EV!
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14:47 I love how you say you're only getting 4 miles/kwh when for any car that would be class leading 😂
It is heavy with such a large battery, I get that, but another advantage of the large battery is a daily 80% charger still gives you more than 350 miles of range up your sleeve.
Great video with lots of useful information. Thanks! I wonder however, how much does the range on this Lucid Air GT go down if you drive a consistent 80-82 mph. Where I live here in Utah that's the speed limit on the interstate - 80 mph. I make frequent trips from UT to MT on I-15 and I drive 80-85 mph. I don't want to drive 70 mph the whole way. I've had a Model Y long range for 3 years, and while I like it very much as a daily driver around home, it's not great at road trips if I drive the speed limit on the interstate. Range collapses down to 200 miles or less if I drive 80mph, and it really does poorly if there's a headwind or colder temps. I was in the market for an EV truck over the last 6 months and actually chose to buy an and F-150 hybrid (Powerboost) because of the range issues described above. I'd really like to own an EV car or truck that can make a 550 mile roadtrip at 80 mph without adding hours to the trip for charging?
Probably 15% to 20% less than driving at 70 mph
4.2 mi/kWh at 70 mph constant is crazy impressive.
I drove about 800 miles last week with my wife’s Acura MDX. We decided to drive the gas car so we wouldn’t have so many stops. Only needed to stop for gas 2 times - typically with the Tesla it’s 4 charging stops, but wife needed bathroom break 4 times, 1 food stop.
So ended up taking roughly the same time as driving my tesla. 😂😂😂
But yes if you’re just driving solo, relatively health with a strong bladder - gas car will be faster. Except in most cases when going on roadtrips, you’ll have the wife and kids who will need periodic breaks. 😂
So the question that remains for me is… which of those top 3 mentioned (Lucid, EQS, or Model S) has the best charging curve? My road trips are 1,400 miles. SWFL to middle of CT.
I road-tripped my Model Y and spent about 5 additional hours charging during the 1,400-mile trip.
It was probably “safer” because I did catch a few naps during the 20-30-minute charging stops.
If the Lucid goes 400 miles but take an hour (or more) to charge, its not worth spending triple the amount of the cost of my Model Y.
model Y needs 350 mile 70mph its more like 240-250 miles and we have a 260 mile round trip, sucks not being able to make the whole trip , we also have a 700 round trip that takes 2-3 stops which is sorta sucks. For us 350 mile 70 mph highwa seems like the sweet spot for long range travel and if we could charge 10-80 in 15 minutes or less we would never own another ICE vehicle. The Silverado EV is very tempting but seems just a little to pricey, drop them 10k and they would sell 10x+ more
How far did you get once you hit 10% SOC? this is a stat that should be given on these range tests as it tells the consumer what realistically they will get on highway mileage before they really should start looking for a charger. This will help with planning a road trip with these much longer range vehicles. Doing the math it looks like you were probably somewhere around 420 miles at 10% SOC.
About 48- 50 miles
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Oh sorry I can see I phrased that wrong but actually that information is good to know as well. I was more thinking total range from 100% to 10% because this lets people know if they can make the trip without having to stop for a charge. I know with this amount of range people will need to stop anyway to use the restroom or just take a break but this allows people to not need or have to look or care about finding or dealing with a charger especially if they book a hotel with charging. Just drive to hotel and get charged and then drive home or on to the next hotel.
I'd love to see you do range test on the MS with 19in aerowheels. Also the new 2024 M3 LR RWD!
That’s impressive. What makes them so efficient? What kind of batteries do they use? Any way, great job.
I need a lucid, I just junked my wifuz nissan leaf, ( never buying nissans again) it was down to 10 miles per chsarge , ..
I'm guessing that, if the car had been driven in the daytime, the rang would have been greater - headlights use a lot of juice, plus the A/C was on. (I would also have had music playing. The wonderful near-total silence of this car, he sounded like he was in a studio, makes it perfect for listening to music while driving.)
Still, nothing wrong with 460 miles.
You should add an average decibel level rating on your range test. Some of the efficiency loss in the Mercedes may come from heavier luxury items and sound proofing.
The Gravity should be fatastic. Cant wait for you to try that out
I will be one of the first to do so
Would like to see you do a model S long range test the same way, run it miles past 0 and see how far you go.
Yes. 10 - 15 miles past 0%. I bet Lucid Air shuts down completely @ 0%.
@@martin3316 you should check out the end of the video.
You have an amazing bladder!😊
Skip the 19 and 21 and go with the 20's. Tires on 21 and 19's are notorious for weak sidewall bubbles. Plus 20 is staggered so it will perform better while not having the range penalty of the 21.
I enjoyed your range test video. I have watched several of them. What would you project your range to be from 80% to 20% SOC?
About 275/280 miles
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you.
Wow for comparison that’s 23.8 kWh/ 100 miles. I get no where near that with my xc40. The best I got was 27kWh/100 miles and that’s a mix of city and highway with some downhills. My avg is about 34kWh/ 100miles
Driving on highway in Eco Pro mode, I can easily get 21 to 22 kWh per 100 miles for a 90 mile drive in my i4 eDrive40 with 18 inch wheels.
What About the Chevy Silverado EV RST or Work Truck those are supposed to be between 440miles and 500miles?
good vid. I just don't like the trunk. I don't know if it could fit two 28-32 inch cases
Thanks for driving in big circles for all those hours. Are you going to range test the Gravity in Arizona or New Jersey?
Wherever I can do it first
I am curious Tom, how long did it take for you to charge the Lucid after the range test?
Credit where credit's due, the car is clearly efficient and has a tremendous range. However, making the best isn't that difficult when that's your goal and you aren't focused on delivering that at an affordable price. This is the problem Lucid faces. They aren't focusing on simplifying the design for manufacturing from the inception. You can't reduce costs anywhere near as effectively after it's achieved its performance goals, especially when the numbers you make are tiny.
So well done Lucid, it's just a pity that you're unlikely to survive with this strategy.
10:54 - "doo it...!!! doo it...!!! doo it...!!!" 😄(boozed up Frat House chant)
I’m seeing used 2022 Grand Touring’s for sale in the low $70K range. That is allot of luxury EV for that price….
Can I charge this brand of EV with the Tesla Supercharger network?
As a joke you should have just started putting bottles of apple juice in the back seat visible by the camera every 200mi or every pit stop lol.
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I have 2 comments
- Kudos you didn't blow your blood-pressure standing at the red light with 0% battery. I will leave it at I wouldn't blowing some serious steam at that point while you are all calm
- How did you not have to use the restroom for 7 hours? Were you carrying a empty bottle? ;-)
I didn't drink much during the day before the test. But I did make a very quick stop of about 8 minutes at the end when I had about 50 miles to go. I stopped at a rest stop right off the highway and was back on the road in under 10 minutes. I did it more to stretch my legs and back because I didn't *need* to use the restroom at the time.
He didn't really get 463 miles. Tom forgot to subtract the 2 mile an hour (2.85%) odometer error. When adjusted for this error, the Lucid got 449.7 miles.This might still seem ok, but what if the battery pack is under reported by the same amount? Anyone can put a bigger battery in their car.
That's not how the odometers work. They aren't directly calibrated to the speedometer. Many OEMs purposely set the speedometers to read a little fast because they get fined if they read slow. Ahh, you're one of those ridiculous Lucid battery size conspiracy guys, now I understand. Sigh.
I noticed that you used "smooth" mode for the test, which didn't even hit the EPA range. Did you test the tesla in "chill" mode? I noticed that I can always drive more than EPA range in chill mode.
Yes. I always select the most efficient driving mode when I range test
The 70 mph range is good info, but can someone please perform a more realistic range test at highway speeds of at least 80 to 85 (where its legal or on a closed course) so that we can extrapolate what a real range is for those of us who tend to be in a rush for whatever reason.
How is Dream Drive compared to Autopilot and Supercruise, and Rivian’s ?
This ! I want to see a video with a direct comparison of these three highway driving systems !!
Wow... Tom what happens when nature calls? That's one long range test! 😮
Doesn't the 2024 GT have the 112 kwh battery and the 2025 has the 118 kwh? It would make more sense than a loss of 7 kwh of capacity in a year.
2025 has lower range due to heat pump being added
The specification sheet downloaded from the Lucid website states the 2024 GT has 111kwh battery and the 2025 has 118kwh. That explains why Tom's test revealed use of 111kwh, not 118kwh.
How is the comfort compared to your lightning? I ask because I know you've said how much you like the lightning on road trips before. 🍻
More range that you need unless you drive really fast. So on the autobahn at 200 kph it works out great.
Considering that the speedometer was off by 2 mph, wouldn’t the odometer be off as well?
I had the same question
But do we really need a 450+mile range EV(non towing)? Sure , if a $50k EV gets that, I will take it, but I am not dropping $100k+ to get a range that I don't need, even on road trips. Most, if not all, will have to stop way before 500 miles.
But going a lot faster will reduce the range dramatically. On a real roadtrip through Germany people will go 160 kph (100 mph). And you also will not charge to 100% so it is great for that.
@@JensPilemandOttesenExactly. In real world driving terms here in America, what my Lucid Air GT means for me is that I can go 150 miles further down the road than in my previous Tesla Model S100D, before worrying about having to charge. It also means I spend 35 to 45 minutes of DCFC charging time instead of well over an hour in my Tesla. In real life EV road tripping, it is game changing.
WOW, that would be one heck of a cross country EV.
How long did it yake to recharge the battery to 100%?
I drive on the west coast and a more realistic left lane freeway speed is closer to 85. If you are going 70 you will be fighting with the big rigs in the right lane your entire trip.
As long ranges increasingly become the norm, you may need to adjust your test track. Stay safe dude; conking out on NJ backroads at night is not a desirable situation, right?
Different subject, instead of saying "twenty five percent state of charge" how about "25 sock"?
Lucid even has the Savage Geese crew sold on E.... well, Lucids anyway lol
How was the noise level at 70mph?
wonder what Tom Moloughney going to do when he drives the Mercedes, the one that goes 700 miles/1,200km on a charge?
Now do the same test in December / January.