I would not say ignored the instruction, Rather got over involved in his CTOT and forgot / lost situation awareness for a moment due to the distraction. Saying he ignored it is a little unfair on the pilot. "Pilot FORGOT controller's instruction at Zurich Airport".
Yes, agree, they were engross with CTOT so much so they forgot about the instructions, this should not happen in a modern cockpit like this but it does
The Air France pilot did not seem to be using appropriate dialog with the controller, especially no call signs, no read back. Something was off in the cockpit. The dialog seemed like a CB radio operator.
0:43 He actually says: "Oh, for Christ's sakes.." Pilot gets annoyed with the CONTROLLER, for not knowing who's talking to him. Like the controller is trying to be difficult just for fun or something. The controller simply doesn't know who's asking these questions on frequency. I'd say this pilot is just very self-involved or is used to airports where he's the only moving plane when contacting tower.
@@kombolasha Never heard anyone react in such a way to one's own mistake, I don't react to my own mistakes like that and there sure as hell wasn't an "I am an idiot" ring behind it. Here is my tip for you coming straight from a psychologist. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck and looks like a duck, assume that it is a duck. The same goes for human behaviour. If you see self-centered behaviour, don't go out of your way and don't become Sigmund Freud in order to excuse that behaviour with some theories; if the entire interaction looked self-centered, then because it was.
Clearly he was distracted by the petty takeoff time argument and that's what caused him to deviate the holding point. It's not about being right... It's about being safe since he is responsible for all the passengers sitting behind him.
I expect better from this site. The pilot didn't "ignore" anything. He screwed up and apologized, and the tower controller acknowledged that the A1 / A2 thing is not that clear. Move it along folks, nothing to see here.
Well yeah they did ignore... they didn’t read back the clearance. Same as ignoring: especially as they went on past the hold point and only stopped at the wig-wag lights for the runway hold point. If that’s not ignoring I don’t know what is...?
Quite often 1 pilot is driving the airplane, while the other pilot is communicating & doing everything else. 1 pilot simply can not safely do all those things together.
@@davecrupel2817 yes they can do it safely. I do it regularly. Airliners only have two pilots in case of one being incapacitated. One pilot is completely capable of operating the aircraft on their own as happens occasionally when the other pilot becomes incapacitated. If it was up to the airlines there’d only be one pilot. Because it’s mandated to have two, the manufacturers design the operating systems and procedures for two pilot operation so you have pilot flying and pilot monitoring. Might as well make use of two pairs of eyes and two brains. But you only actually need one set...
People who complain every video about how this channel is "click bait" need to take a hike and leave. Make your own videos and title them the way that you want.
It’s also scary that some companies (you know who) allow Accountants to interfere with safety eg minimum fuel…frequent pan pans…not to mention ridiculous long hours at the column.
After the controller informed the pilot he screwed up at 2:05 it sounds to me like he replied with "scheiße" not "sorry about that." Put that in the report, lol. Nothing funnier than someone complaining on the radio and that person being told they screwed up, it just takes the wind right out of their sails.
"Yeah, I said hi"
Oh, that helps, thanks
I would not say ignored the instruction, Rather got over involved in his CTOT and forgot / lost situation awareness for a moment due to the distraction.
Saying he ignored it is a little unfair on the pilot. "Pilot FORGOT controller's instruction at Zurich Airport".
Yes, agree, they were engross with CTOT so much so they forgot about the instructions, this should not happen in a modern cockpit like this but it does
Not replying w/CS when called upon ... that's more than loss of SA!
tower have to say again the information if he not read back
The Air France pilot did not seem to be using appropriate dialog with the controller, especially no call signs, no read back. Something was off in the cockpit. The dialog seemed like a CB radio operator.
Yes, Air France appeared to be a total amateur.
It’s scary to think the pilot is saying it’s been a long day and they’re tired
If it was up to companies, there wouldn't even be the meager regulations that exist now and safety would always be at risk.
Once you learn about Human Factor you will know.
I think at 2:20 the tower said "severe" instead of "clear"
Civilized. As it should be.
Imagine that situation under FAA jurisdiction.
*_Wow_*_ ... space cadet on radio. "Who is talking to me?" "I said _*_Hi."_* d'uhhh ...
There are way too many cockpit crews who don´t know the difference between TOBT, TSAT, CTOT and TTOT....
0:43 He actually says: "Oh, for Christ's sakes.." Pilot gets annoyed with the CONTROLLER, for not knowing who's talking to him. Like the controller is trying to be difficult just for fun or something. The controller simply doesn't know who's asking these questions on frequency.
I'd say this pilot is just very self-involved or is used to airports where he's the only moving plane when contacting tower.
Or maybe he said it referring to his own mistake, as in “omg, how could I have missed that? I’m an idiot”.
@@kombolasha Never heard anyone react in such a way to one's own mistake, I don't react to my own mistakes like that and there sure as hell wasn't an "I am an idiot" ring behind it. Here is my tip for you coming straight from a psychologist. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck and looks like a duck, assume that it is a duck. The same goes for human behaviour. If you see self-centered behaviour, don't go out of your way and don't become Sigmund Freud in order to excuse that behaviour with some theories; if the entire interaction looked self-centered, then because it was.
Clearly he was distracted by the petty takeoff time argument and that's what caused him to deviate the holding point. It's not about being right... It's about being safe since he is responsible for all the passengers sitting behind him.
😂 tell me you have no idea about aviation without telling me 🤣🤣
The controller is responsible for obtaining a read back of the clearance, which never happened.
Wasn't this one already posted? It seems really familiar.
I saw it already as well.
"It's all right" (will be on TH-cam in a couple of hours 😅)
Yep hold short of alpha two is not hold short of alpha one so title is fair
Agreed.
I expect better from this site. The pilot didn't "ignore" anything. He screwed up and apologized, and the tower controller acknowledged that the A1 / A2 thing is not that clear. Move it along folks, nothing to see here.
Title is clearly clickbait. At no point did the pilot ignore anything
Well yeah they did ignore... they didn’t read back the clearance. Same as ignoring: especially as they went on past the hold point and only stopped at the wig-wag lights for the runway hold point. If that’s not ignoring I don’t know what is...?
The pilot ignore the instruction to hold at alpha-2. It’s a simple as that.
Now imagine this conversation across the ocean.
There are so many transcrption errors in the subtitles
I thought there were 2 pilots so things like this didn't happen :)
Quite often 1 pilot is driving the airplane, while the other pilot is communicating & doing everything else.
1 pilot simply can not safely do all those things together.
@@davecrupel2817 yes they can do it safely. I do it regularly.
Airliners only have two pilots in case of one being incapacitated. One pilot is completely capable of operating the aircraft on their own as happens occasionally when the other pilot becomes incapacitated. If it was up to the airlines there’d only be one pilot. Because it’s mandated to have two, the manufacturers design the operating systems and procedures for two pilot operation so you have pilot flying and pilot monitoring. Might as well make use of two pairs of eyes and two brains. But you only actually need one set...
I’m glad everyone kissed and made up at the end. 😘
Had this happened at Kennedy, the pilots would be in jail.
The pilot did not ignore. Correct the misleading title.
Agree with you on that
Tired before flight? That should be worth an report.
What is ctot?
Calculated take off time
It's a measure of Rum, given to seamen on Navy ships to keep them warm. A sea-tot. 😉😄
The emirates is an a380 :D I live in switzerland, I think I even watched this exact flight take off through the zurich live webcams
But it says heavy instead of super
@@eagle1107flyer yup, it's probably a 777, this clip is old
Yes, it wasn't the A380. It was a B777.
In the US he would have a phone number to call...
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People who complain every video about how this channel is "click bait" need to take a hike and leave. Make your own videos and title them the way that you want.
@BeakerSteve You should not tell people what to do. They have a free speech. And yes the title was misleading.
The pilot was told to hold at alpha-2 he ignored the instruction and went to alpha-1. It’s very clear.
Definitely an incorrect clickbait title.
It’s also scary that some companies (you know who) allow Accountants to interfere with safety eg minimum fuel…frequent pan pans…not to mention ridiculous long hours at the column.
Glad to see pilots around the world are being overworked and not just in America.
Poor choice of words. We should *never* be "glad" that airlines are creating dangerous situations for pilots and passengers.
How unsafe can you be??? OMG
The pilot was exhausted.
No excuse for poor procedures.
I think he was a little new 😆😆
After the controller informed the pilot he screwed up at 2:05 it sounds to me like he replied with "scheiße" not "sorry about that." Put that in the report, lol. Nothing funnier than someone complaining on the radio and that person being told they screwed up, it just takes the wind right out of their sails.
Why would a french guy say that? Definitely said "sorry..."
I am Swiss and the French pilot definitely didn't say "scheisse". Doesn't make any sense anyway.
So French attitude...
clickbait titel reported it to youtube
Not worth the effort, even if it were worth the effort.
You really stuck it to them...that's for sure.
The title is not misleading. The pilot was told to hold alpha-2 but ignored the instruction and went to alpha-1. It’s very simple.