*Many reports via email about these two incidents. I asked you guys on Twitter and you preferred to have both emergencies in one video so here it is. Glad nobody got injured*
Wow! Yes, this is sort of confusing on first review, but hey, that’s how it happened. Thx for reconstructing it true to life, and for yet another incredible media creation.
How much time was there between the two incidents? Were the PANYNJ ARFF crews still with the 76' when the A319 declared emergency? Nicely done with the graphics.
I am impressed by the flight crew on the second flight with the probable bird strike . They did not wait for some failure to take place as a result, nor did they continue the flight in the presumed absence of warnings or cautions. They appeared to take every precaution to error on safety not knowing for certain what the origin of the impact/sound was. It's nice to see safety come first and no guessing.
I was on a Midwest express flight and there was a loud noise like something inside popped. Everyone was looking around when it happened. Thinking it was in the galley but don't know.
Maybe it was a member of the Buffalo Tribe making a mad dash for sustenance in the galley but tripped and fell down. That would shake the whole aircraft.
I was thinking it might've been one of those guys with drones. Plenty of people just use them without knowing there's limits how high you can fly them.
Lugia21 Not actually a height limit. There is, however, a requirement that you need to be able to see the drone, so that kinda limits the height on its own. You're also obviously not allowed to fly anywhere near air traffic areas
This controller sounded like a computer... in a good way. Almost like a pre-recorded instructor. She never hesitated, knew exactly what to say, and who to prioritize for each situation. I was really impressed with how clearly she dictated the fire truck crossing of the runway with the go-around aircraft, she knew the procedures and who required assistance vs. standard missed approach. Most controllers would know this, but she volunteered the explanation before it was even required. Awesome ATC!
Adam W. Okay obvious response - I’ve listened to hours of ATC and one could assume they all have years of experience. My point was that she was exceptionally and unusually clear / direct and her timing and specific wording was perfect.
Yeah...I used to be a controller until medical stuff happened and I couldn't remain in the career field. Long story short, all of were required to know all of that information and be able to rattle it off without hesitation at any moment. Emergency aircraft a d response vehicles always get priority, no matter what, so that's also not hard to figure out. It doesn't matter if AF1 is flying in your airspace, they all get lower priority than an emergency aircraft. If anything, there was a mistake by the controllers in both instances. The first controller asked for fuel remaining in pounds. Why? No idea. It's supposed to be in minutes so we know how long until they hit min fuel. The female controller never asked for that critical information; she had no idea about the fuel, people on board, or anything. She missed a lot. This wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination for either controller.
I very much doubt that was intended to be humorous in any way. Most likely the ground controller was too far away to clearly see flames, they just assumed there were based on seeing the bright glow. Hence, when asked to confirm whether there were actual flames (which I presume was what prompted the statement) they qualified their statement to separate the relatively obvious conclusion (flames) from the actual observation (bright glow).
I don't understand what's humorous about it. when asked directly, you want to separate your clear observations from jumping to conclusions, and this was the most objective factual information she could muster. that's not levity, it's responsible professionalism, and a serious burden for someone in her line of duty. "what can you see? what do you know?" "at the very least, a very severe glow" -- she could've added "I presume the undercarriage is in flames" but that's largely a redundant opinion nobody asked her for, and would unnecessarily clutter the comms and add fuel to our inner panic drives.
Imagine the planes still circling in the air the pilot announcing to the passengers “there’s a lot going on on the ground, we’re just gonna stay up here for a bit.”
When the LGA departure controller said "do you wanna turn back to LGA" I got chills because he said the exact same thing to Cactus 1549 and sounded just like catus
Actually you'd be surprised how common it is. I mean I wouldn't say it's too common, but it happens more than you would think. Luckily I've never had to declare and emergency. Ive heard stories of pilots even doing it just so the can land first. Now Idk if that's true, but I could believe it.
On the contrary, the pilots practice these things a lot. That’s why they sound bored. Real emergencies aren’t terribly common, but they’re ready when they happen.
Wait a minute. That voice from LGA Departure. That voice is so familiar. As someone who has watched/listened to everything about US Airways 1549 (The Miracle on the Hudson), I am almost absolutely certain that that is the SAME man. Edit: saw a comment from VASAviation confirming it IS Patrick Harten, the LGA Departure controller who worked with Captain Sullenberger that fateful day! Vindication!
They are not doing it by themselves... lol. Your prolly picturing one man in a tower making all the calculations and formulating all the flight plans by himself lol.
@@ShavoSoaDer Yes, I understand how time works. Pretty sure you can skip the semantic crap and just figure out the meaning. Human brain and whatnot, y'know?
@@thomasmills3934 No. My sister was an ATC for years. I've seen plenty of rooms. These replies are embarrassing, guys. Enough with the raging insecurities. 🤦♂
Am I wrong or is the departure controller handling DAL2292 the same that handled initially the US Air /miracle on the Hudson acft? Seems the same voice to me!
It certainly sounds like it! It also sounds like that pilot is one who in another video got into an argument with the controller telling him "move everybody from out way. We're on a visual. We've declared an emergency" after atc wouldn't vector him the way he wanted.
Hell, I was just typing the same thing before I saw your comment. That’s the same guy. Clear as day. You can hear the same voice as you hear when he’s talking to Sully
I don't understand why they continue to taxi in order to cool the brakes. Taxiing for most large planes heats the brakes cause the idle engine power is too much thrust to taxi at a reasonable speed.
@@MGSLurmey Unless the brakes are designed in such a way that they can maintain a certain temperature, even while taxiing, in which case any excess temperature above that amount will bleed off, even while they're moving. Meanwhile moving puts more air across the brakes than standing still.
So, just a few days ago I started listening to these. I was a former army helicopter pilot. My last flight as PIC was 2013. So awesome to hear all this and understand it all. Really starting to consider getting back at it.
Imagine taking off from LGA for a trip and when you woke up they’re like WE ARE IN JFK!!! And you’re like wtf did I sleep Thur deplane and they flew me back.
I'm surprised they didn't find damage on the second plane. When the pilot said they hit something around 1500ft over the stadium, my first thought was a buzzard that was circling on the thermals over the huge parking lot. That's right around the 'cruising altitude' for a for a buzzard. I live on a hill with an asphalt driveway and big roof, so they circle over my house frequently. Unfortunately, my house is right under a low path for the local airport, so this raises my concern.
@@OfficeLinebacker Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm starting to lean towards "Food cart or other equipment onboard settled into position unexpectedly, and pilot is a huge wussy." For him to go full emergency and make a ton of demands while he should be well aware that he's in full control of his aircraft, and there are no instrument indications, is well into the range of "please believe me", and is probably covering for something he's guilty of, like chitchatting with the new female in the cockpit, when they both should have been paying attention to their plane and its surroundings. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an abrupt control input that was bound to trigger passenger complaints that he'd have to answer for, and so had to go all-in to get the paperwork to cover him from getting written up.
@@buckstarchaser2376 Holy shit, you are delusional. You managed to make your own cute little story out of absolutely nothing but speculation about a situation you know next to nothing about. And by cute I meant pathetic. Also, "female"? Nice incel energy you got there, bud.
@@livewellwitheds6885 made me tear up. It takes real courage & honor to be willing to sacrifice your life for others. When all the other ATC operators focused on themselves, he focused on others.
Lol I was listening to this live trying to figure out what the hell was going on after I got the alert for the first delta flight. I know everyone recognized the lga dep controller; but did anyone else recognize the 2nd delta male pilot voice. I swear I’ve heard him in another video.
Holy Crap! Talk about a bad day at the office. So glad every one was safe. Professional teamwork in action, great to see. Like the 2 incidents together. Great job!
No matter what time of day, no matter the issue, the crews and the ATC work together flawlessly almost every single time to get people to safety...... it's proof that the system works and all people involved do an absolutely fantastic job.
@@NetAndyCz Not necessarily both cameras and to a lesser degree our eyes get overwhelmed when a small part of the scene is a lot brighter than the ambient light. This has the effect of making the bright object look even brighter and larger than it actually is. Essentially for the same reason, the dark scene fools the camera and our brain to pick the wrong aperture settings to capture the bright subject without it washing out and overspilling.
Hot brakes are scary dude. I’ve caught some jets in my time where the brake is orange from the heat, and you sit there waiting for it to cool off hoping it doesn’t blow the tire out
Is the Laguardia controller who handled Delta2292 the same controller who worked US Airways 1549, aka the Miracle on the Hudson? It really sounds like him.
This brings an entirely new definition to the phrase a bad day at the office an aircraft with hot brakes and a second aircraft with a probable bird strike think about what are the chances of this happening on the same day within the same time frame
If any airport is going to get this sort of shit happening to them, it'd be JFK. And of course, the Poisson distribution is a thing, so the chances of this happening are weird an unintuitive, but stuff like this is actually quite expected.
Interesting that the procedure for hot brakes was to continue taxiing. In every aircraft I have flown (A320, B787, ERJ170, CRJ-200), prolonged taxiing increases brake temperatures even further, not decrease them, due to repeated brake applications when holding short or slowing to make turns, etc.. I am sure the Delta crew followed their procedures, it just seems to be an odd procedure based on what I have seen taxiing do to brake temps.
hey Delta 2292! maybe a pax hit you in your head to raise the gear? u were at 1500' with the gear down? you don't know what's the nature of emergency and you still need to declare it? stopping at the end of the rwy? what else are you gonna come up with?
NO, you are not wrong! I fly the 75/76 for a different carrier...I was wondering WTF they were thinking! We'd never taxi around on purpose after a rejected takeoff!
Huge respect for the top notch production quality and content of all your videos. I've learnt a lot since following your channel. Keep up the fantastic work!!! BTW was it ever discovered what they'd hit?!?
for the brakes 420 blazeing it, could it have been possible that the force of aborting takeoff jammed the brakes at least slightly so that while they were taxing around the slightly dragging brakes reduced the cooling effect or even caused slightly more heat till it got too high?
5:41 was the LGA Dep Patrick Harten? He was the controller for the US1549 'miracle on the hudson' incident. Sure sounds like him.. If so, wow, that must have brought up some bad memories.. Well handled by all, bravo !
About 35 years ago, I took the ATC test after getting out of the Army. Never heard anything. After watching some of these videos, I'm glad I didn't! Shout out to all ATC's!!
The pilot here sounds just like the pilot who had a flap emergency at JFK in a 737 a few months back. From that incident: Pilot: " You're gonna see the fastest 737 landing you've seen in quite awhile". Atc: We'll be watchin. Pilot: So will I.
Pretty sure the BA (Speedbird) guy & Delta female pilot are ones I've heard on previous tapes of JFK too - I guess the same pilots end up running the same routes reasonably regularly...? (I particularly remember the BA dude because he had such amazing humour in his prior interactions with ground crew! Brit wit in action 😄)
Does the 767 have brake temp indicators on all the bogies like the airbus? I'm a little surprised that after taxiing for such a period of time they were randomly caught off guard with a brake asm. fire. I'm pretty sure that in most modern Airbus (and newer Boeing) you know the brake temp immediately and can request emergency services as required, each bogie is displayed on the ECAM which will warn you if applicable. Just curious if this 767 had such a system, thanks.
These kind of vids are awesome, I'm really impressed by those ATC, some seriously skilled professionals up there. Not such a good watch if you are flying within a week though ;)
I don't want to generalize, but I think the controller at LGA was the same controller that was on frequency during the Miracle on the Hudson! If it's not the same guy, he has a voice twin.
Okay ground, we have brakes hot as hell after rejecting the take off, can we just taxi around the airport and see how many planes we can catch on fire after gears light up?
@@vr6chrisvw heat generated by a heavy rejected take off is way more than on a cessna or a private aircraft. The added airflow through the gear during taxi is needed to cool down the brakes. Smaller planes you park into wind for hot breaks
Is that thing not equipped with individual brake set temp indicators like the Airbus? Also correct me if I’m wrong - but even at idle thrust you need some braking. Why would taxiing be GOOD for hot brakes? In fact aren’t some heavies required to wait before takeoff if they’re sent on a long taxi route to the runway due to hot brakes? I’m confused
It surprised me that DAL2292 wasn't asked if they could land at another airport. I guess JFK thought (correctly, it appears) they had the capacity for two emergencies.
*Kevin Hodgkins* and *Marion Stinnett,* Being offered another airport and being requested to land at another airport are two entirely different things.
When you have 125 people to look after it’s best to have everyone inconvenienced with no fatalities. Even if the issue seemed minor good job on them for taking the safest option. As a pilot you must discern everything is ok and not assume.
On one flight from Dallas Love Field to Houston Hobby years ago that I was on, after we touched down the pilots applied full power and we took off again, came around, and landed! As we were taking off, I could see another airliner taking off on an intersecting runway. I've often wondered who got their ass chewed out for that.
![[REAL ATC] American B738 forced to land WITHOUT FLAPS AT JFK!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ATVYGjkgq2A/mqdefault.jpg)
![[REAL ATC] American B738 forced to land WITHOUT FLAPS AT JFK!](/img/tr.png)
![[REAL ATC] Brickyard SUFFERS TRIM RUNAWAY | CONTROL ISSUES at Atlanta](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RzoEsM0L2CM/mqdefault.jpg)
*Many reports via email about these two incidents. I asked you guys on Twitter and you preferred to have both emergencies in one video so here it is. Glad nobody got injured*
Did they evacuate the 767?
Great job, Thx for uploading this interesting video.
1:44 typo on taxi it says axi
Wow! Yes, this is sort of confusing on first review, but hey, that’s how it happened. Thx for reconstructing it true to life, and for yet another incredible media creation.
How much time was there between the two incidents? Were the PANYNJ ARFF crews still with the 76' when the A319 declared emergency? Nicely done with the graphics.
I am impressed by the flight crew on the second flight with the probable bird strike . They did not wait for some failure to take place as a result, nor did they continue the flight in the presumed absence of warnings or cautions. They appeared to take every precaution to error on safety not knowing for certain what the origin of the impact/sound was.
It's nice to see safety come first and no guessing.
Im sure some suit is going to go nuts on them..
Maybe they need to consider something inside popped?
Greg Dinert assuming there’s a procedure for suspected structural damage, they cannot say anything for applying them.
I was on a Midwest express flight and there was a loud noise like something inside popped. Everyone was looking around when it happened. Thinking it was in the galley but don't know.
Maybe it was a member of the Buffalo Tribe making a mad dash for sustenance in the galley but tripped and fell down. That would shake the whole aircraft.
I was on BA2273! After two years i have discovered why we sat on the taxiway for about one hour on that evening! Thanks a lot!
Wow, did you see the 763/764?
Someone hit a home run out of the Stadium and Delta caught it in his gear 🤭
Gotta admit I laughed! :D
I was thinking it might've been one of those guys with drones. Plenty of people just use them without knowing there's limits how high you can fly them.
Lugia21, damn gotta ask Casey Neistat bruh since this is in NY haha
First the Mets have to hit something :p
Lugia21 Not actually a height limit. There is, however, a requirement that you need to be able to see the drone, so that kinda limits the height on its own. You're also obviously not allowed to fly anywhere near air traffic areas
This controller sounded like a computer... in a good way. Almost like a pre-recorded instructor. She never hesitated, knew exactly what to say, and who to prioritize for each situation. I was really impressed with how clearly she dictated the fire truck crossing of the runway with the go-around aircraft, she knew the procedures and who required assistance vs. standard missed approach. Most controllers would know this, but she volunteered the explanation before it was even required. Awesome ATC!
Years of practice.
Adam W. Okay obvious response - I’ve listened to hours of ATC and one could assume they all have years of experience. My point was that she was exceptionally and unusually clear / direct and her timing and specific wording was perfect.
I just hear them rattling numbers lol..
Tho i love these vids, donno exactly why tho.
Yeah...I used to be a controller until medical stuff happened and I couldn't remain in the career field. Long story short, all of were required to know all of that information and be able to rattle it off without hesitation at any moment. Emergency aircraft a d response vehicles always get priority, no matter what, so that's also not hard to figure out. It doesn't matter if AF1 is flying in your airspace, they all get lower priority than an emergency aircraft. If anything, there was a mistake by the controllers in both instances. The first controller asked for fuel remaining in pounds. Why? No idea. It's supposed to be in minutes so we know how long until they hit min fuel. The female controller never asked for that critical information; she had no idea about the fuel, people on board, or anything. She missed a lot. This wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination for either controller.
sometimes she was talking so fast i couldnt even hear words
Dude, these ATC transmissions are more thrilling than most movies.
Edit: I've watched, like, 50 of these in a row at this point.
yer im hooked too. think they end too early lol
same
Yeah. And it's real
welcome brother
Same here!! Lol
Hmm... NYC traffic so impossibly bad that Delta offers flight from LGA to JFK...
Per google maps, this morning the 10 mile trip is expected to take at least 26 minutes, so it could be a faster option.
underrated comment is underrated
They say no one's ever beaten the Van Wyck.
They do not offer a direct flight. I suppose you could connect through Atlanta.
@@jstrahan2 and that might be faster
Of course it was #420 that burst into flames, its too lit!
illuminati confirmed XD
Nice.
lmao
Someone was hotboxing the toilets
Jerry Zhong smoked a little top much
Delta 2292 has the most beautiful enunciation I have ever heard from a flight crew, ever.
I would buy their relaxation tapes
@@babababad The cabin crew is selling their tapes for $25 and as always, exchange change or credit cards are appreciated. :P
AT THE VERY LEAST, IT'S A VERY SEVERE GLOW!! I am dying! That was a crazy moment of levity in a tense a dangerous situation!!
I very much doubt that was intended to be humorous in any way. Most likely the ground controller was too far away to clearly see flames, they just assumed there were based on seeing the bright glow. Hence, when asked to confirm whether there were actual flames (which I presume was what prompted the statement) they qualified their statement to separate the relatively obvious conclusion (flames) from the actual observation (bright glow).
@@MatthijsvanDuin You must be a riot at parties.
@@MatthijsvanDuin Yeah I was a bit confused about this comment as well
I don't understand what's humorous about it.
when asked directly, you want to separate your clear observations from jumping to conclusions, and this was the most objective factual information she could muster. that's not levity, it's responsible professionalism, and a serious burden for someone in her line of duty.
"what can you see? what do you know?"
"at the very least, a very severe glow" -- she could've added "I presume the undercarriage is in flames" but that's largely a redundant opinion nobody asked her for, and would unnecessarily clutter the comms and add fuel to our inner panic drives.
When they have brake overheats they’ll typically be visible as a very bright glow. Look up the rejected takeoff tests.
Imagine the planes still circling in the air the pilot announcing to the passengers “there’s a lot going on on the ground, we’re just gonna stay up here for a bit.”
When the LGA departure controller said "do you wanna turn back to LGA" I got chills because he said the exact same thing to Cactus 1549 and sounded just like catus
He is the controller who did Cactus.
VASAviation - Late Lmao but whoa, what are the odds he would deal with two emergencies in his career?
@@crunchy_water_ pretty high actually especially in a busy airspace like NY
@@crunchy_water_ Extremely likely actually, NY is huge airspace
@@drdefecation he was probably like aww shit not again
Have to say I'm used to hearing JFK in absolute chaos, but they handled these two incidents really well. Very impressive.
The guy in the 2nd emergency is the same exact guy from the Hudson ditching (!) Same line, too! "Do you wanna turn back to LaGuardia?"
I just noticed that today as well! Holy crap that guy needs his own movie.
Yeah, I noticed that too. It's Patrick Harten, same controller from the Cactus 1549 Bird Strike.
That LGA ATC is the same guy of the landing on the Hudson!!!!! I’d recognize that voice anywhere!
Yes, he is. I talked to him after this incident happened.
Well spotted!
Great catch on the voice!
Wow that's a really proficient ATC right there. She didn't doubt or show any sign of hesitation dealing with the whole situation. Congratulations.
I love how 2292 got down immediately. I’ve seen so many videos where crashes could’ve been avoided had the pilots trusted their plane and instincts
This lady has to be the most professional controller at Kennedy... Well done.
The professionalism on all parties is astounding. Zero stress portrayed.
I'm always amazed how calm these pilots always are. I imagine having to declare an emergency isn't a common occurence at all
Actually you'd be surprised how common it is. I mean I wouldn't say it's too common, but it happens more than you would think. Luckily I've never had to declare and emergency. Ive heard stories of pilots even doing it just so the can land first. Now Idk if that's true, but I could believe it.
On the contrary, the pilots practice these things a lot. That’s why they sound bored. Real emergencies aren’t terribly common, but they’re ready when they happen.
This lady freaking killed it man and she knows what she's doing. JFK has some incredible Air Traffic controllers.
They don't really have much choice
Wait a minute.
That voice from LGA Departure.
That voice is so familiar.
As someone who has watched/listened to everything about US Airways 1549 (The Miracle on the Hudson), I am almost absolutely certain that that is the SAME man.
Edit: saw a comment from VASAviation confirming it IS Patrick Harten, the LGA Departure controller who worked with Captain Sullenberger that fateful day!
Vindication!
It will never cease to amaze me what hyper-efficient multitasking machines ATCs are.
Beyond inspiring.
They are not doing it by themselves... lol. Your prolly picturing one man in a tower making all the calculations and formulating all the flight plans by himself lol.
I hope they aren't multitasking lol. Multitasking is a myth
@@ShavoSoaDer Yes, I understand how time works. Pretty sure you can skip the semantic crap and just figure out the meaning.
Human brain and whatnot, y'know?
@@thomasmills3934 No.
My sister was an ATC for years. I've seen plenty of rooms.
These replies are embarrassing, guys. Enough with the raging insecurities. 🤦♂
@@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid Multitasking has pretty specific meaning. When you use that term this way, don't expect others to not treat you as fool.
The LGA departure controller sounds a lot like the guy who worked Sully...
I think it is
Was thinking the same
Definitely him
it was indeed Patrick Harten.
Sagnik Roy how do you know?
Am I wrong or is the departure controller handling DAL2292 the same that handled initially the US Air /miracle on the Hudson acft? Seems the same voice to me!
i noticed that. even the "do you wanna turn back to la gaurdia or go somewhere else?" my first initial thought was "were gonna be in the hudson"
It certainly sounds like it! It also sounds like that pilot is one who in another video got into an argument with the controller telling him "move everybody from out way. We're on a visual. We've declared an emergency" after atc wouldn't vector him the way he wanted.
Hell, I was just typing the same thing before I saw your comment. That’s the same guy. Clear as day. You can hear the same voice as you hear when he’s talking to Sully
sounds the same to me too
all controllers sound the same lol....
Don't people amaze sometimes? Incredible professionalism & calm.
Delta 420 Reminds me of walking around with a sore stomach, willing myself not to throw up, and then throwing up anyway...
Underrated comment
I don't understand why they continue to taxi in order to cool the brakes. Taxiing for most large planes heats the brakes cause the idle engine power is too much thrust to taxi at a reasonable speed.
@@MGSLurmey Unless the brakes are designed in such a way that they can maintain a certain temperature, even while taxiing, in which case any excess temperature above that amount will bleed off, even while they're moving. Meanwhile moving puts more air across the brakes than standing still.
The controller for the second flight is Patrick Harten. The same controller from the infamous Cactus 1549 Bird Strike.
it's never a boring day at JFK!
lol i swear to god, half the damn videos on this channel are out of JFK, THE FUQ IS GOING ON over there lol
Area 69
Looks like 420 was blazin'
Localhorst86 Nice, I get it
Ahhh beat me to it hahaha
I see what you did there
So heavy man. Heavy.
“Strong burning odour from the 1st class hotbox”
OMG....the level of professionalism is awesome and spellbinding when you think of what they are dealing with.........
A fire on a fully fueled jet? I'm definitely activating the emergency evacuation chutes!
@Don Z Dryver, the flight attendants do a great job with that.
You are just gold. That effort to perfectly show the two different scenes, its the best. Loving this channel more and more :)
So, just a few days ago I started listening to these. I was a former army helicopter pilot. My last flight as PIC was 2013. So awesome to hear all this and understand it all. Really starting to consider getting back at it.
Imagine taking off from LGA for a trip and when you woke up they’re like WE ARE IN JFK!!!
And you’re like wtf did I sleep Thur deplane and they flew me back.
I'm surprised they didn't find damage on the second plane. When the pilot said they hit something around 1500ft over the stadium, my first thought was a buzzard that was circling on the thermals over the huge parking lot. That's right around the 'cruising altitude' for a for a buzzard. I live on a hill with an asphalt driveway and big roof, so they circle over my house frequently. Unfortunately, my house is right under a low path for the local airport, so this raises my concern.
Yeah I was wondering, what could cause a plane to jolt exactly like striking something but leave no trace?
@@OfficeLinebacker Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm starting to lean towards "Food cart or other equipment onboard settled into position unexpectedly, and pilot is a huge wussy." For him to go full emergency and make a ton of demands while he should be well aware that he's in full control of his aircraft, and there are no instrument indications, is well into the range of "please believe me", and is probably covering for something he's guilty of, like chitchatting with the new female in the cockpit, when they both should have been paying attention to their plane and its surroundings. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an abrupt control input that was bound to trigger passenger complaints that he'd have to answer for, and so had to go all-in to get the paperwork to cover him from getting written up.
@@buckstarchaser2376 Holy shit, you are delusional. You managed to make your own cute little story out of absolutely nothing but speculation about a situation you know next to nothing about. And by cute I meant pathetic. Also, "female"? Nice incel energy you got there, bud.
@@buckstarchaser2376 We got ourselves a psychic detective over here🤣
@@mallninja9805 The lenses in my glasses are out of this world.
Wow, this is intense. So many things to keep in mind while making sure to not mix up anything at all. Pay ATC well, they deserve it.
Wait.... Isn't that the voice of Patrick Harten on LGA departure..? The ATC who was involved in the US Airways 1549 accident?
I was going to say the same thing, I'd put money on it.
Late, but other commenters confirmed it was indeed him. Good catch!
"I swear to God, Delta, you better land on a runway because if I lose another one I'm gonna be pissed!"
I looked in the comments to see if anyone else thought this as well, I noticed it right away!
morbid request (I don't do twitter) for the Indonesian ATC that died in the line of duty getting a plane out during the earthquake
Did he make a video on it? Please link if he did
Yeah
damn
people.com/home/air-traffic-controller-dies-indonesia-helping-plane-escape-earthquake-pilot-speaks-out/
@@livewellwitheds6885 made me tear up. It takes real courage & honor to be willing to sacrifice your life for others. When all the other ATC operators focused on themselves, he focused on others.
„Delta 420, your brakes are smoking“
„I know they’re high af“
Lorin if only they were en route to Colorado when that happened.
Both airplanes had male and female pilots and it's impossible to distinguish between the Captain and F.O.
Both very professional!
"This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!!"
God job making this video, I can only imagine how complex it would've been for you.. Thank you.. 👍
Appreciate it you support!
Lol I was listening to this live trying to figure out what the hell was going on after I got the alert for the first delta flight.
I know everyone recognized the lga dep controller; but did anyone else recognize the 2nd delta male pilot voice. I swear I’ve heard him in another video.
7:55 "It was right as we were kind of over the Stadium [Citi Field] making that left turn on the Whitestone Climb."
5:43 Did you need to return to LaGuardia...Negative
Sully Flashbacks
I knew I recognized his voice! It's the same air traffic controller
Holy Crap! Talk about a bad day at the office. So glad every one was safe. Professional teamwork in action, great to see. Like the 2 incidents together. Great job!
"Do you want to turn back to Laguardia?"
I'm getting major Deja Vu.
Delta Anims unable
Ouch.
it’s the same controller
No matter what time of day, no matter the issue, the crews and the ATC work together flawlessly almost every single time to get people to safety...... it's proof that the system works and all people involved do an absolutely fantastic job.
very severe glow (aka flames) :D
hot metal glows even when it''s not flaming
Yeah but not as much as in this video:D
@@NetAndyCz Not necessarily both cameras and to a lesser degree our eyes get overwhelmed when a small part of the scene is a lot brighter than the ambient light. This has the effect of making the bright object look even brighter and larger than it actually is. Essentially for the same reason, the dark scene fools the camera and our brain to pick the wrong aperture settings to capture the bright subject without it washing out and overspilling.
Very happy to hear the gentleman at LaGuardia is working again after the hudson river incident!
Delta 420...
Makes too much sense, even the brakes were trying to light up.
I love this presentation! It was like watching a movie. Excellent!
Hot brakes are scary dude. I’ve caught some jets in my time where the brake is orange from the heat, and you sit there waiting for it to cool off hoping it doesn’t blow the tire out
Is the Laguardia controller who handled Delta2292 the same controller who worked US Airways 1549, aka the Miracle on the Hudson? It really sounds like him.
Yes, it's been said before. It is.
This brings an entirely new definition to the phrase a bad day at the office an aircraft with hot brakes and a second aircraft with a probable bird strike think about what are the chances of this happening on the same day within the same time frame
Pretty likely. Now at "at the same airport" and we've got a whole other Math problem. :D
If any airport is going to get this sort of shit happening to them, it'd be JFK.
And of course, the Poisson distribution is a thing, so the chances of this happening are weird an unintuitive, but stuff like this is actually quite expected.
Just watching this. Excellent editing, enjoyed the 'recap' and photos. Thanks! Usually listen to "Steve re-runs" lol
Interesting that the procedure for hot brakes was to continue taxiing. In every aircraft I have flown (A320, B787, ERJ170, CRJ-200), prolonged taxiing increases brake temperatures even further, not decrease them, due to repeated brake applications when holding short or slowing to make turns, etc.. I am sure the Delta crew followed their procedures, it just seems to be an odd procedure based on what I have seen taxiing do to brake temps.
I realize this is from a REALLY long time ago, but I would assume they didn’t want a potential brake fire starting while sitting at the gate.
hey Delta 2292! maybe a pax hit you in your head to raise the gear? u were at 1500' with the gear down? you don't know what's the nature of emergency and you still need to declare it? stopping at the end of the rwy? what else are you gonna come up with?
"Do you wanna turn back to Laguardia or go somewhere else". Exact line from Sully in a similar situation. Interesting.
Exact same controller who said that line.
@@VASAviation Huh, Small World.
You've got teterboro off your left side or ah hell just land on that long blue runway that crosses under the George Washington Bridge
Taxiing around to cool off the brakes? That must be a 767 thing, I flew on the DC-10 and that was the worst thing you could do
NO, you are not wrong! I fly the 75/76 for a different carrier...I was wondering WTF they were thinking! We'd never taxi around on purpose after a rejected takeoff!
Huge respect for the top notch production quality and content of all your videos. I've learnt a lot since following your channel. Keep up the fantastic work!!!
BTW was it ever discovered what they'd hit?!?
I'm guessing the pilot of 2292 usually flies international? Note the use of "decimal" ICAO phraseology at 6:46
for the brakes 420 blazeing it, could it have been possible that the force of aborting takeoff jammed the brakes at least slightly so that while they were taxing around the slightly dragging brakes reduced the cooling effect or even caused slightly more heat till it got too high?
5:41 was the LGA Dep Patrick Harten? He was the controller for the US1549 'miracle on the hudson' incident.
Sure sounds like him.. If so, wow, that must have brought up some bad memories..
Well handled by all, bravo !
The JFK ground lady was pretty good there!
Anyone notice that the controller at 5:32 was Patrick Harten, who handled Sully's airplane as it was going into the Hudson?
About 35 years ago, I took the ATC test after getting out of the Army. Never heard anything. After watching some of these videos, I'm glad I didn't! Shout out to all ATC's!!
5:34 Same controller for the plane that landed in the Hudson?
Second ATC sounds like the guy from the Sullenberger Hudson river landing. I'm sure if it.
It is
You guys and gals are awesome. Thanks for your skill!
"Could the aircraft that is literally on fire go ahead and alt+f4"- thats what airforceproud95 would say
These brakes were be burning hot and they want to taxi around the airport o cool them down‽
Exactly. I wouldn’t do that with my car. It’s a fine line though. Cool them too fast and my cars rotors will crack.
The pilot here sounds just like the pilot who had a flap emergency at JFK in a 737 a few months back. From that incident:
Pilot: " You're gonna see the fastest 737 landing you've seen in quite awhile".
Atc: We'll be watchin.
Pilot: So will I.
Steven Shillinger thank god someone else noticed the pilot too.. I couldn’t remember the video but I DEFINITELY heard him in another emergency.
For other future readers interested in (re)watching that video, it's th-cam.com/video/ATVYGjkgq2A/w-d-xo.html
I agree. I’m pretty sure it’s the same pilot.
Pretty sure the BA (Speedbird) guy & Delta female pilot are ones I've heard on previous tapes of JFK too - I guess the same pilots end up running the same routes reasonably regularly...? (I particularly remember the BA dude because he had such amazing humour in his prior interactions with ground crew! Brit wit in action 😄)
the LGA DEP guy at 5:34, is that the same guy that helped Sully? (miracle on Hudson flight)
Yes, he is.
I can tell by his voice that the atc on the 2nd delta plane was the same one as the miracle on the hudson flight 1549.
The controller for the 2nd emergency sounded like the same controller for cactus 1549 emergency, or “Sully” as some of you know.
He is
Does the 767 have brake temp indicators on all the bogies like the airbus? I'm a little surprised that after taxiing for such a period of time they were randomly caught off guard with a brake asm. fire. I'm pretty sure that in most modern Airbus (and newer Boeing) you know the brake temp immediately and can request emergency services as required, each bogie is displayed on the ECAM which will warn you if applicable. Just curious if this 767 had such a system, thanks.
Looks like it does show brake temp warnings on the EICAS hydraulics display, at least for the main gear.
There is a lot of strain on the equipment in such situations, might have been possible that installed temp indicators failed
"Oi, Airbus, keep your newfangled doohicky off my aircraft!" - A Boeing pilot, probably.
Geez Louise, I hope these guys are well paid. Their actions & professionalism are astounding!!
These kind of vids are awesome, I'm really impressed by those ATC, some seriously skilled professionals up there.
Not such a good watch if you are flying within a week though ;)
It is still good at least for me. Hearing the professionalism from all involved parties puts me at ease.
Was LGA departure Patrick Harten, the same guy who worked US Airways 1549?
Bet he though something like “oh f* not again”
5:42 - If you've watched the film "Sully", then this might sound familiar
Lol 😂
Delta 2292 must have just hit the new speed bump recently installed at 1500' over the stadium. The sign hasn't been put up yet......🤣
There was an Airplane on fire yesterday evening at CDG heading to zürich!
Is there any atc from the incident?
I doubt it. LiveATC.net doesn't have CDG in their database yet.
At around 6 minutes - is LGA controller the same person who controlled FLT 1549? I’m sure I recognize his voice 🤣
They hit a Texas mosquito. They are as big as turkeys!
I don't want to generalize, but I think the controller at LGA was the same controller that was on frequency during the Miracle on the Hudson! If it's not the same guy, he has a voice twin.
Okay ground, we have brakes hot as hell after rejecting the take off, can we just taxi around the airport and see how many planes we can catch on fire after gears light up?
What else do you expect them to do? It's kind of hard for a plane to stop, drop and roll.
Adam Ahmed usually you just taxi to a stand, shut down, connect the chocks and attach the gear cooling system.
"Brain Explosion" I guess they wanted to prevent heat from staying at one place, you know what I mean. They wanted to get some movement
Taxiing around causes the brakes to heat up. You are supposed to stop into the wind and wait.
@@vr6chrisvw heat generated by a heavy rejected take off is way more than on a cessna or a private aircraft. The added airflow through the gear during taxi is needed to cool down the brakes. Smaller planes you park into wind for hot breaks
The 2nd ATC 6:22 sounds just like Pat Harten (ATC for Sully aircraft). Anyone else think that?
I think it IS him!
Sounds like they're having one of my days.
lol!
Shouldn‘t they have called for the fire brigade immediately? Such a stop onto take-off with full tanks and full load is quite a stress for the breaks.
The brakes needed a break so they broke.
The landing gear on that 767 was high as a kite.
Is that thing not equipped with individual brake set temp indicators like the Airbus?
Also correct me if I’m wrong - but even at idle thrust you need some braking. Why would taxiing be GOOD for hot brakes? In fact aren’t some heavies required to wait before takeoff if they’re sent on a long taxi route to the runway due to hot brakes? I’m confused
2:43 ATC: There appears to be flames coming out of your right main. No biggie.
Just because people remain calm and professional doesn't mean they aren't taking the situation very seriously.
Well, she did ring the crash horn.
Alert 3 is quite the biggie
The controller working the 2292 emergency sounds like the same controller that was in contact with Captian Sullenberger when he went into the hudson.
He is the same controller.
It surprised me that DAL2292 wasn't asked if they could land at another airport. I guess JFK thought (correctly, it appears) they had the capacity for two emergencies.
They were. The controller asked if he wanted to go to laguadea
DAL2292 was offered La Guardia. The pilot stated that they were too heavy with fuel and chose JFK, which offers a longer runway.
*Kevin Hodgkins* and *Marion Stinnett,* Being offered another airport and being requested to land at another airport are two entirely different things.
The controller for DAL 2292 at LGA sounds like the exact same guy that was the same controller for Flight 1549 that crashed in the Hudson
That’s exactly what I thought!
Delta 420 Blazin’
When you have 125 people to look after it’s best to have everyone inconvenienced with no fatalities. Even if the issue seemed minor good job on them for taking the safest option. As a pilot you must discern everything is ok and not assume.
On one flight from Dallas Love Field to Houston Hobby years ago that I was on, after we touched down the pilots applied full power and we took off again, came around, and landed!
As we were taking off, I could see another airliner taking off on an intersecting runway.
I've often wondered who got their ass chewed out for that.
There might even be VASAviation video about your flight!!
5:41 is that the guy that was on LGA Departure for the Hudson landing?
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