DieselSite Wicked Wheel 2 Install: (Dyno Run Results & After Install Ride Along)
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Chapters
0:00 DieselSite Wicked Wheel 2
0:38 Fitment
1:42 The Truck
2:48 Stock Dyno Numbers
4:05 Wicked Wheel Install
17:25 EB Valve
19:33 Wicked Wheel Dyno Numbers
23:09 Ride Along
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the wicked wheel can be installed on a 7.3 without removing the turbo --- but since it was removed , I think I would have put a rebuild kit in it too know what I have -- I have removed the butterfly in the EB (don't need fancy store bought by-pass) -- or turn it into exhaust brake (easy to do)
@Rory Daniel I hacked your gfs fun box yesterday.
Cool story. Hope you like herpes friend.
Thank you I am going to get it soon ant install it
I must be part of the 1% because there was zero oil on my pedestal and zero scaling inside my 7.3 turbo despite 250k miles of service. I thank you for this very in-depth and helpful tutorial.
You're welcome!
What great video’s very informative.
Thank you. AJ, McKinney, Tx
Great vids wade thank you buddy!!! WWheels are the best and least invasive power adder!!!!
Glad you liked it!
Man I was just looking this up tryna find out if it works or not thank you so much
Happy to help
Great video!
Thanks!
Glad you corrected yourself
When I installed on stock 7.3 turbo and power max ball bearing both times the wheels were both very tight on the shaft and required a bit of persuading to thread up. Yours just spun right on. The only reason that I am asking is that I am thinking about changing from the d66 to the other ww for my power max. Anyone else have this problem? Solution?
I just ordered this for my obs.. can't wait to install it!
Cool. Good luck!
How did it work?
It worked awesome until my turbo grenaded at 40psi boost.. piece of advice- if you're going to run more than 25psi of boost, just upgrade the entire turbo, the stock one just isn't made for high boost
I opted for a KCTurbos KC300X stage 1 with a .84 housing, been on there for ~70k, it's awesome
@@tomstewart4820 how did you push it past 25 psi? Even with a boost fooler my won’t pass 25psi. Also a wicked wheel.
Really liked the detailed steps! Thank you for this. Just want to know if upgrading the billet wheel also needs a corresponding ecu tune?
No it doesn't
Very nice video
I like it....... nice and clean.... clean clean clean .
Thanks for taking the time to make this videos.
Very informative.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!
I have always wondered if the WW actually made better power. Thanks.
I see wicked wheel made some turbines for us Cummins Titan Xd owners. Would love to see an install and comparison /specs video. 🙏 thanks
What is the difference between the corrected and uncorrected number?
What is the 'corrected ' numbers? The power at flywhee?
Is the wicked wheel suitable for all 7.3s namely the 97 f250.
Do you offer a 7+7 wicked wheel? That would had been a fair comparison.
I put one on my 02 7.3 and loved it! I took emery cloth and smoothed out some of the rough casting on each half of the housing also. Now i have a 07 6.7 cummins and would the wheel work as good on it? There isn't a whole lot of reviews with that application.
For that application the fleece cheetah is the best option. Wait for the stock turbo to take a crap and drop in a cheetah
Do you have to have a tuner on the truck to make this work. I’m not looking to tune my truck but would be nice if I would up the boost a little. Trying to stay stock with my obs
We always suggest pairing a Wicked Wheel with a tuner to get the performance you are looking for from the wheel.
Is there one for a 2005 5.9 Cummins?
Gonna stick one of these on my 2001 cummins today
Well did you install one? I have an '01 cummins and curious if you could tell any difference
@@logut80 yep got it installed and yeah theres a difference! In my opinion I like the sound of the stock wheel better but I can tell the wicked wheel spools faster, and there's less smoke.
RPMs at Highest Torque?
Didnt you say u was put a better flowing valve on the back of the turbo aswell did that not have some effect on the numbers ?
It will, but not it will be minimal compared to changing to the Wicked Wheel.
Great vid, very informative!
I had to laugh at the 189 ftlbs at 15:23... knowing that surely is too much... Glad to see it corrected later, though, for the newbies watching! 🤣🤣
Glad you enjoyed it! You're welcome!
I was surprised when neither turbine moved when you were using compressed air... More so, the stock turbine @ 10:45... is the shaft that tight or were you holding it and I missed that?
It moves slightly but he's using a nozzle with a curved tip so not much air was hitting the wheel.
I have a 2001 F350 7.3 and tow a 20' Hybrid Camper. I am likely pulling about 6,500 to 7,000 lbs fully loaded with water, toys, gear. In reviewing this video and considering past towing habits, e.g., pulling a 6% grade in tow haul mode at 2,500 RPM I find it hard to believe adding 15 HP and 20 FPT will make a significant difference in power? Am I wrong?
Barely noticeable its more in your head than anything else. Also from the factory the rotating assembly is either balanced as a whole unit or balanced individually. When you remove the factory wheel and install a lighter wheel it will throw the balance of the turbo off. Can you just throw a wheel on there yes you sure can but for 40 bucks you should definitely have the unit rebalaced. Plus their is a compressor cover o ring you should replace and a compressor outlet o ring you should replace. And if you yank the whole thing out you should just have the whole thing rebuilt.
Big fan of all things from Dieselsite. I installed their Legendary 4R100 about a year ago and absolutely love it.
🙌 nice
They must have learned how to build the 4r100. The one they installed in my truck was a terrible nightmare. I ended up taking it to BTS in Arkansas to have it removed and all the problems corrected.. About $2000 later it's fixed. Never again will I buy from Diesel site.
Yep mine must of been a lemon to it died around 100,000 miles stock without towing or mods. It just killed itself ….meanwhile my 6.0 tranny keeps on going with all kinds of mods and no bullet proofing
Hello there,
Let me start by saying that your videos are very informative. I am savvy with Diesel engines so I wanted to ask you what do I need to do in order to gain more boost on my 2000 excursion 7.3? The suv is stock I don’t have any modifications to the engine or the transmission at all. I watched some videos that you guys posted on TH-cam about installing a wicked wheel and edge Evo performance chip. Can you please let me know which wicked wheel do I need for my excursion and a chip performance??
Thanks for all you do,
You're welcome! We had a nice gain in turbo responsiveness with the WW and a noticeable drop in EGT’s. Any power programmer is going to help you as well with adding efficiency to the engine that will translate to gain in fuel economy and more power. All of these within reason of course but its just a different animal especially with the Excursion.
189 ft ibs?
What's up with them mirrors
I have a stock lml, how would this wheel do in my 2015 lml? Is it worth it?
The increase in power and decrease in EGT’s I believe it is worth it.
Look at that seasoned topside creeper
Seasoned is a nice way to word it
Does this not alter the turbos balancing? Also was this without tune? And also are these numbers including the high flow cover you were talking about??
Dieselsite claims that because this wheel is balanced, and the wheel is being placed on a balanced assembly, that there isn’t a need for rebalancing the assembly once the WW is installed. These numbers were with tune from the SCT that is downloaded onto the truck. We weren’t able to do the dyno run with the high flow cover at the time of the filming because the product was on backorder.
So it’s not apples to apples test, the gains you have could be just from the tune alone,bravo.
When I put the wicked wheel 2 in my turbo I didn’t remove the turbo. I just took the cover off used an impact got the old wheel off installed the new one and reinstalled the cover.
Did it make a big difference was it woth it to do I'm debating on buying it
@@justinjreabcm1381 only thing I noticed that was different was it whistled way louder.
@Tommy Bragalone I mean the whistle sounds cool
@@justinjreabcm1381 yeah absolutely
So that's a stock turbo? I dnt need to get a aftermarket market turbo? Will the stock last?
The factory Garrett gtp38 turbo is a pretty beefy unit. Given that this uses the factory wastegate spring, it's probably spinning slower than the factory compressor wheel. It would be nice to have it balanced but there is nothing here to make me think it would be any harder on parts than the stock wheel.
Does the wastegate and aftermarket cover make a difference
We kept the stock wastegate and cover on this particular truck, but the WW made a big difference in power in the trucks sweet spot. The cover upgrades and wastegate upgrades too help to keep the truck from surging and to keep the power where you need it on the top end.
I have a tuner but don't have gages will it mess anything up if I don't have the gages?
EGT and boost are always a consideration when you are doing performance upgrades.
how much of the increase is due to high flow rear cover you said you were installing
My question as well
Per a reply to another comment: They actually did not install that for this test as it was on back order at the time the video was shot. He said the difference from that is minimal compared to the wheel it’s self.
Loved your video. I been wanting to up grade my 2000 f350 with over 350000 thousand miles only thing I done to it replace water pump. And still going and still have original Freon on air conditioner. One problem was told may be Westgate . On cold days when first start about a minute u hear like air blows out of exhaust and stops . It keeps doing it Intel trk warms up about 20 to 30 minutes please help. Thanks.
I got my 7.3 about a month and a half ago and I noticed the same thing, while driving normal when it’s cold outside and the truck is semi cool it will whistle louder and if u throttle up at all it will stop.
sounds like the ebp (exhaust back pressure valve) it aids in warm up and will kick on and off on cold days, mine does it also.
Yes... this had me scratching my head when I first got my 03 7.3 250 PSD a few years ago. It is the EBPV operating, which happens when the truck is cold, to help the engine warm up faster. Mine shuts off as soon as I tap the throttle.
Just wondering if it changed the egts?
We have not been monitoring EGT’s in the vehicle but by design and from DieselSites testing, yes it does.
Would it be worth the time to put a wicked wheel on a stock 12v ?
Very much so. Wicked Wheel installs on a Dodge are very simple so the time would be less than what it took on the 7.3L
Thoroughbred Diesel sounds good !
I just ordered one for my 03 E350 in hopes that it would help keep the EGTs down.
Did it make any difference?
It did! And sounds better
On a 2012 cummins 6.7 he351ve do you have to remove the hole turbo to install the wheel. I have a large c clamp on compressor housing?
If you can access it and hold the turbine shaft to keep from turning it can be done on the truck.
Keeps saying its lighter, but never shows it on a grams scale. Billet is heavier in most cases. Also, the stock wheel made torque quicker in the dyno graph. Food for thought
That because the rotating mass works with torque. Example, a billet flywheel with less rotating mass will or should create more top end HP, but will loose on low end torque. HOWEVER, I’m not sure why a lightened turbine wheels, would loose torque…. Maybe the same principals applies. Lighter isnt always better… the turbo wheel may be able to spin faster aiding with quicker spool up, but maybe to fast to be fully efficient. Got to find that perfect balance
Different video weighed the wheels and it is actually lighter.
No sir. More Mass equals more momentum to overcome equals slower spool. You've applied a good logic to the wrong physics.
By "rotating Mass works with torque" you seem to to be onto something with the idea of a certain conservation of rotational momentum.... but the impeller isn't moving on a plane that makes it relevant.
I have a 2007 3 two wheel drive extended cab 6speed. 6pos. tune all of the usual Love your videos please do a comparison on synthetic Royal Purple and conventional oil. I personally swear about Royal Purple.. thanks again for your help for videos
Watch Project Farm videos. He systematically and scientifically tests a million different items including oils, tools, rust removers, etc.
That guy will help you find the best of EVERRRYYYYY thing!
And yes, he tests Royal Purple in addition to Amsoil, Costco & Walmart oils! You're gonna love it!
Didnt the Excursion get a new pedistal and no eb valve setup?
Thought so. Lol. Saw the video of that install before this one came out. Lol
Yes we replaced a bunch of stuff when we took out the turbo and made separate videos on all of it
15:24 - I have to assume you meant 189 INCH pounds rather than foot pounds for those turbo housing bolts?
Yes please don’t do foot pounds
Getting air thru a diesel is important. This is a gain, but not as graphic as I thought it would be. I am looking for those 50 to 80 lb/ft increases on a single effort. Other than a tuner that changes fuel curve, injector pulse width, timing, and boost, what else is available? All the little additions add up and support the things like a wicked wheel. I did exhaust and air filter mods first, then a tuner. I am ok with where my truck is at but would like another 50 to 80 ft/lbs at the rear wheels. Iam unsure of a wicked wheel is the next right choice. I know an intercooler on my OBS would be smart in the durability department, but for the cost and time, what would I gain? Is there something else I could do for half the $$s and find the gain I am looking for. 122,000 miles on the one in the Avatar. I don't work it hard except the occasional towing maybe every 3 to 4 years. Earlier this year it was Gross Weight of 28,600 for 75 miles. I did a 38xxx 20 miles once 7 years ago. It handled it but never again will I do that. 55 on the highway was plenty in about every respect. I watch temps like a hawk.
Injectors, bigger turbo, straight pipe exhaust, intercooler are your best options.
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Do you have the wiked weel for Cummings engine
Can find here.
www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/diesel-site-wicked-wheel-2/
Does this truck have a tune?
This truck had a canned SCT tune in it at the time of dyno.
What lbs of boost were you making before/after wicked wheel ??
Our boost pressure number actually came down a couple psi. The truck now runs higher flow lower pressure.
@@thoroughbreddiesel OEM Electronic boost controller is temperamental. Best to substitute with an old pneumatic control diaphragm.
Does the wicked wheel need a tune?
No, however your truck will perform better with the wicked wheel paired with a performance tune in the vehicle.
Ok I'm lost. What do u mean corrected and what not? Why does one say max go and then one says with wcf?
Correction factor must be added in, because at different environments/temperatures the engine will make different power. Temperature affects things the most, then altitude, then humidity. All three change how much a power will make. In this case, most likely what changed was temperature. If you notice at the before dyno runs 2:50, the temperature was 83degree, then later the temperature was 90degree 20:00. The difference due to just the temperature was 4% change in power.
Best seller ? Does it do better or work ?
Did you watch the video?
my stock wheel is not coming off what should i do
Make sure you are turning it right way.
thanks for response i finally got it off it’s the same turbo your working on. i had to use an 1/2” impact with a few more taps. I’m using parts purchased from your ebay store thanks again. Also are you using anti seize or blue lock tite?
189 ft lbs tq cover bolts
Holy moly...
Jk
Epic video
Like the power stroke series
I was thinking the same thing but he later said inch lol.
I immediately stopped the video a few seconds after hearing that and came straight to the comments. Fortunately I see that someone else already caught that fubar torque spec! 😳🙄😂
I am surprised he does not acknowledge this in his “how to fix stripped threads on your turbo housing using heli-coils” video.... ;-)
@@RealLife73 he said inch right away
@@salvatorecabano5482he said “inch” almost a minute after that’s why I said “later”. My fault, I should’ve said IMMEDIATELY!!😂😂
How is it balanced?
The wheel itself is balanced.
Do they make the wicked wheel fortune 6.0?
Give us a call 866-380-3068.
My F350 6.0 build date is October 03’ & it got the Garrett VGT TURBO
IMHO first thing to check would be Turbo shaft end and x y axis wobble. I have been set to help more then one hommy and even one of my own that had zero thrust washer. The turbo shaft easily slid back and forth enough to hit the housing yet never did and despite this the piston ring oil seals should have been leaking but never had. Extremely well made turbo Garrett builds. Regardless I will argue that an impact wrench tapped for speed will take the nut right off the turbo shaft.
To reinstall simply thread the nut back on against the compressor wheel completely! Then proceed to on tap the rockin knocker switch once or twice. put the cover back on being aware of the proper orientation and that the wheel is not bound. it will get tighter and tighter as you rock those ww launches and the old merge past everyone slip road 0-75 sprints. The faster you drive the compressor wheel will easily apply skoocum in. lbs as greater pressure differential when air is being compressed increases.
Did he say, the compressor comes balanced?
The compressor wheel is balanced, yes.
@@thoroughbreddiesel do I still need to balance the turbo after upgarding the compressor?
Any impact on egt?
We did not monitor EGT’s on this dyno run, but with the increase of air moved with the wicked wheel we should see a slight EGT decrease.
@@thoroughbreddiesel Sounds backwards to me. Any time you add more airflow, without the sensors (like an intake sensor) able to detect changes and compensate, then you get a leaner burn. A leaner burn (more air, less fuel) causes heat to build up in the engine, which causes exhaust gas temperatures to increase. The whole point of an EGT sensor is to tell you in a quick and dirty way, if the engine is burning too hot, which tells you how the air-fuel ratio is. Too lean, bye bye engine.
What we really want to know is, does the engine need an adjustment to the fuel settings, aka does it need a tune? An intake change usually does not need a tune. Internals on an engine and turbo changes usually does need a tune.
@@copperkeyracing6167 Diesels are different than gas motors...
I always like the new video's -- but it would be even better if Wade would come to my garage and do the work - LOL
lol can't get the jobs done in our own garage as it is!
So I snapped every bolt at 125 ft pounds
Uh oh
Hope you don't take it to 189 ft # as he stated 1st. If you do you will need a new housing. Lol
Hmmm that’s one fine little torque ratchet for 189 ft lbs
Noticed that
They're little baby infant feets... 🤣
Shiny is always better IMO
Did he say foot lbs?
Seems excessive
we dont want nothin silly round here
Picking up power and torque is one thing, throttle response is totally another. Not knocking your wheel upgrade, but this doesnt show an improvement in throttle response.
You’re not really going to see that on a Dyno curve. That’s why we include the ride along to talk about the differences we notice that aren’t traceable on a graph.
That turbo looks big and stout!
15-17 foot pounds
Or just tune in next week, for his “how to fix stripped threads in your turbo housing using our heli-coil kit” video... 😉
15:22 Let's not be torquing that cover to 189 ft lbs. Just sayin ;-)
it wasn't a super super critical torque hahaha
What are we torquing here, a flex plate bolt?
😛😀😁😂
He clearly said inch lbs not ft lbs
@@mikeholubek4419 I guess you didn't make it to 16:13 where Wade gives the correct "189 inch-pounds" while he's torquing the nuts. But we get it; you trumptards are argumentative, have short attention spans, and live in a fantasy world.
@@monsterram6617
So 30 days ago.
189 inch lbs... I doubt they will take ft lbs
Install time on ford 5hrs 7 diff install time on Cummins 20min diff 1 lol
Total live of cummins transmission 50k if your lucky 😏😉
@@mikerotch51 i have 263k on my 68RFE...
@@benbabcock3818 suuure you do
@@fordnut4914 post your email and I'll send you pics
@@benbabcock3818 that really won't prove anything u could has it rebuilt or replaced
My butt Dyno sees zero power improvement. I installed to deal with compressor surge.
Sweet spot has moved in the powerband and can be shown on dyno before and after comparison. Just to note, consider a ported compressor housing to pair with the wicked wheel to ultimately fix.
@@thoroughbreddiesel I was under the impression you only needed one or the other. I haven't towed yet so don't know if it's helped yet or not.
I'm not a Ford fan Chevy and dodge best