With the frilly shape you get more leading edge surface area, which can help with surge lines and better (but peakier) efficiency at a higher pressure ratio. But it is overall less adiabatic efficient because it has more leading edge area to heat the air up. Sharp leading edges will cause more heat and eddys. Still a fine wheel but it's a cosmetic display without any real benefit over some other billet version that looks more like a Garrett billet.
I got 54x78 Billet compressor wheel with extended tip technology 5x5 blades design from cr performance and so far it looks great and it's a drop-in... it fit perfect. cost was $159 ebay. I've got roughly $220 in my hx35 and it's rebuilt with a Billet compressor wheel.
Nice review dude! just a quick input form my experience I have a speed3. I bought a used stock k04 with a batwmowheel upgrade they said it had around 5k on it. I don't know who built the turbo. I loved it while it lasted I had full boost 2800rpm( stock is 3k) and it held 22psi to redline I never tried to push it higher. I ran it probably around 5 to 10,000 miles and it did let go. Was going up hill and heard a pop the bearings let go but that batmowheel flowed some air for such a little turbo.
Did any 1 yet used in 5.9 Cummins second generation CNC billet compressor wheels that looks like jet engine turbine ? Or I'm trying to be first in the world ? In europe we do use loads of them in TDI tuning. Cant find any I US to be used in dodge.
I just bought a 24v and I plan to rebuild the turbo aswell as pair it with a 5 in straight pipe. I need a wheel with better mpg and little power gain as I have the automatic trans and I don’t need it blown. Any suggestions?
Turbo Lab, I have a stock 6.7 Cummins turbo. I have considered a turbo upgrade. If I ship my turbo to you what can I expect in an upgrade, what would be the cost and how long would it take?
In lieu of opinion, why not just build an engine and change absolutely nothing on it but the compressor wheel and run tests on an inertia-roller dynamometer to see which wheel makes boost faster and also which one spins up the roller the fastest overall, from which you will gather the most overall power when wheel is finally spooled up? Literally no other channel on TH-cam does this. You could become THE go-to channel for intelligent turbocharger testing. There is a gigantic hole in the TH-cam channel lineup that you can take advantage of.
The answer is "it depends," which is true about many things in life. "Best" is a very subjective term that is often derived from the particulars of one's application and setup.
When the machine something or forge somethings as well and melt something together like tires one side can be more dense then the other side. Even though they appear the same and measure out the same. What I mean by dense is one side could be harder or softer. Tires and rubber for instance. When they make a tire it goes in to a moot. Well one side of the tire can for instance be pressed together with more rubber but being molded the same way. That's why we have to balance our tire and put weights on the wheels. Other wise as it rolls around at high speeds it will cause it to wobble or bounce around. A balance mark is just where they took away some metal or added metal on that side because the other side has less or more metal. A compressor wheel that isn't balance on a turbo can cause premature wear on ur seals and bearings. Could in worse case scenario brake the impeller shaft.
Interesting points. I've been considering a 7+7 billet wheel for my '95 7.3. Mainly interested in lower-end boost. I've also seen 11+0 wheels but these look constrictive. Have you any comment?
Not related to these particular compressor wheels, but I have a few questions. I bought some billet compressor wheels from you a couple of years ago but I never got around to doing anything with them as I had other problems with the car. Anyway I have a pair of Garrett T04R's still in perfectly good condition that have the original cast 6+6 blade wheels. I bought some billet 7+7 wheels from you and I was thinking I might as well get some rebuild kits as well and freshen them up before I swap the comp wheels out. Should I find some place to rebalance my turbos after I do this or will they be fine? I was also wondering if you know of anyone that has already tried swapping out cast 6+6 wheels for the billet 7+7 wheels? What kind of difference should it make?
#Turbo Lab America What do you think about the Batnowheel claiming the following? Quote "Bullseye Power has reinvented the compressor wheel with their exclusive leading-edge technology for quicker spool times and increased flow rates, providing up to 100 horsepower more than a cast or standard-billet counterpart." Is possible the wheel design can add "100hp" more? I would be testing the Batmowheel & billet CW on a Holset HX40 T51r mod from yourself for comparison.
@@turbolabamerica No need to ask! Will find out when it's on the dyno. Is worth putting the Batmowheel up against a Wicked wheel 1 & 2 as well as the standard billet wheel you guys make?
Turbo Lab America two other quick questions how much would it be if the center section is actually not rebuildable (my turbo has side to side play and just a little in and out) and what would turn around time be and is it possible to plan it out to keep turnaround time down and what time frame would it take?
@@kaiserbaileyhe’s talking out his ass. I have the batmo in my 2012 6.7 Cummins and it spools up as soon as you touch the throttle. And it sounds awesome on top of that, had it in the truck almost 5 years now with 0 issues and I tow 25k lbs regularly with it.
I am trying to get a louder turbo whisle from my lb7 duramax. I got profab a turbo air horn on it and a s&b air intank on it an one of the boost fuller valve on it and 5" ehaust on it to. now looking for a turbo wheel for the most noise i can get. what would you go with?
Nice video.A mechanic in texas wanted to charge me $400 for a SPX turbo.How much do you charge for a turbo with a wicked wheel on it? I have a 2006 Dodge Ram 5.9 with after market inercooler.#.5 inch inlet and outlet tubes with the bent elbow
Turbo Lab America The bullseye wheel looks to be made by typical 5 axis machine. The wicked wheel appears to have been made with a tapered tool. KTS probably made it.
+cptinjak neither have information of where they are made and I don't have a way to test the performance I can only do a review based on design and cost.
This video is a joke. The only data was the weight and height of the wheel. No maps, no flow data, no data comparisons on performance. Really a very pointless video.
It’s crazy just Bc the machine cost 175 k anything it makes is worth a million bucks lol Can see the greed for sure , the truth is all these fuck boys got diesels to be COOL NOT PRACTICAL . Oh you drive a diesel that part just went up 200 bucks .
I'm learning so much from your videos about turbos than any others. Thanks
These compressor wheels are horrible, they wouldn't be used on any kind of Cummins engine due to how poorly manufactured they are
@turbolabamerica thank you for taking the time to share with us
I absolutely love my batmowheel run on a borgwaner 366 with an aftermarket compressor housing. Absolutely recommend
With the frilly shape you get more leading edge surface area, which can help with surge lines and better (but peakier) efficiency at a higher pressure ratio. But it is overall less adiabatic efficient because it has more leading edge area to heat the air up. Sharp leading edges will cause more heat and eddys.
Still a fine wheel but it's a cosmetic display without any real benefit over some other billet version that looks more like a Garrett billet.
I got 54x78 Billet compressor wheel with extended tip technology 5x5 blades design from cr performance and so far it looks great and it's a drop-in... it fit perfect. cost was $159 ebay. I've got roughly $220 in my hx35 and it's rebuilt with a Billet compressor wheel.
Test it on engine or dyno...that would be a useful video.
Adam Reinke thank you...spent 5 1/2 minutes talking about measurements
Your a star. You just answered another question for me.
At the end you sum it up very good, if you want more flow, get a bigger wheel- well said
I have the batmowheel on my s362 and I love it.
Nice review dude! just a quick input form my experience I have a speed3. I bought a used stock k04 with a batwmowheel upgrade they said it had around 5k on it. I don't know who built the turbo. I loved it while it lasted I had full boost 2800rpm( stock is 3k) and it held 22psi to redline I never tried to push it higher. I ran it probably around 5 to 10,000 miles and it did let go. Was going up hill and heard a pop the bearings let go but that batmowheel flowed some air for such a little turbo.
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thank you for sharing your knowledge!!
The BMW is a beautiful piece of engineering. Fluid dynamics is the language and the BMW is poetry.
So is the billet batmowheel any good? Trying to find out, looking at turbokits.com and it came up as an option.
Any help please. Bit of a noob here.
Did any 1 yet used in 5.9 Cummins second generation CNC billet compressor wheels that looks like jet engine turbine ? Or I'm trying to be first in the world ? In europe we do use loads of them in TDI tuning. Cant find any I US to be used in dodge.
Is half the info enough? How about flow tests and price
I just bought a 24v and I plan to rebuild the turbo aswell as pair it with a 5 in straight pipe. I need a wheel with better mpg and little power gain as I have the automatic trans and I don’t need it blown. Any suggestions?
My guess would be to use a 6267 or 6264. I don’t have any comparison data to know which is best for fuel mileage.
Turbo Lab, I have a stock 6.7 Cummins turbo. I have considered a turbo upgrade. If I ship my turbo to you what can I expect in an upgrade, what would be the cost and how long would it take?
Hey I don’t know if your still looking or not they do good work just a pain to get in touch with
congratilations for you work my friend!!! i have a question, what do you think about mamba turbo billet compressor wheels 11+0 blades?
+Hermes H Junior for which model and which size
In lieu of opinion, why not just build an engine and change absolutely nothing on it but the compressor wheel and run tests on an inertia-roller dynamometer to see which wheel makes boost faster and also which one spins up the roller the fastest overall, from which you will gather the most overall power when wheel is finally spooled up?
Literally no other channel on TH-cam does this. You could become THE go-to channel for intelligent turbocharger testing.
There is a gigantic hole in the TH-cam channel lineup that you can take advantage of.
Would also like to know about the S475 upgrade cost to a billet 80 or 84
Is the wicked wheel not a 7.3 turbo wheel? Or did whoever make it just copy the design from the powerstroke wicked wheel?
How much do you charge to make a cast s475 into a billet s480 or s484 ?
Can you do it without removing front turbo compressor housing??
What do you think of the mambatek billet 11+0 wheels? On a t67 25g and what difference would fitting a t04r compressor wheel make?
Can a PT7675 GTS turbo be upgraded to a billet wheel
The machining on Batmowheels are way nicer than the whicked wheels by far.
But is that nicer machining worth more than twice the price?
@@numinous4789 They need an objective boost test and spool time test to see that. It would require an engine and an inertia dyno.
Hello
Can you modified my stock turbo (BMW M5 F10) to stage 2?
Or send me a bill.I might on the return trip from Mich.I come to see you in person.Thanks
I want to upgrade my turbos in my 2.7 EcoBoost can you do that ?
The performance increase isn't nearly large enough to justify the price.
atlanticimports how about sound?
How much to rebuild a turbo for a vw jetta 1.8
We just wanna know which is hest
The answer is "it depends," which is true about many things in life. "Best" is a very subjective term that is often derived from the particulars of one's application and setup.
Kinda new to turbo diesels. Have two, just never built them. Can someone explain to me what a balance mark is?
When the machine something or forge somethings as well and melt something together like tires one side can be more dense then the other side. Even though they appear the same and measure out the same. What I mean by dense is one side could be harder or softer. Tires and rubber for instance. When they make a tire it goes in to a moot. Well one side of the tire can for instance be pressed together with more rubber but being molded the same way. That's why we have to balance our tire and put weights on the wheels. Other wise as it rolls around at high speeds it will cause it to wobble or bounce around. A balance mark is just where they took away some metal or added metal on that side because the other side has less or more metal. A compressor wheel that isn't balance on a turbo can cause premature wear on ur seals and bearings. Could in worse case scenario brake the impeller shaft.
Interesting points. I've been considering a 7+7 billet wheel for my '95 7.3. Mainly interested in lower-end boost. I've also seen 11+0 wheels but these look constrictive. Have you any comment?
7x7 work well single you have to watch due to surge..
@@1997obspsd What's that in English?
Not related to these particular compressor wheels, but I have a few questions. I bought some billet compressor wheels from you a couple of years ago but I never got around to doing anything with them as I had other problems with the car. Anyway I have a pair of Garrett T04R's still in perfectly good condition that have the original cast 6+6 blade wheels. I bought some billet 7+7 wheels from you and I was thinking I might as well get some rebuild kits as well and freshen them up before I swap the comp wheels out. Should I find some place to rebalance my turbos after I do this or will they be fine? I was also wondering if you know of anyone that has already tried swapping out cast 6+6 wheels for the billet 7+7 wheels? What kind of difference should it make?
Never assume any turbo was already properly balanced, even an unused one. Balance now and avoid regrets later?
#Turbo Lab America
What do you think about the Batnowheel claiming the following? Quote "Bullseye Power has reinvented the compressor wheel with their exclusive leading-edge technology for quicker spool times and increased flow rates, providing up to 100 horsepower more than a cast or standard-billet counterpart."
Is possible the wheel design can add "100hp" more?
I would be testing the Batmowheel & billet CW on a Holset HX40 T51r mod from yourself for comparison.
The batmowheel is one of the first billet wheels available. I don’t know if their claim is accurate you have to ask them
@@turbolabamerica No need to ask! Will find out when it's on the dyno.
Is worth putting the Batmowheel up against a Wicked wheel 1 & 2 as well as the standard billet wheel you guys make?
is there a billet wheel made for the hy35?
Which wheel will give you the most sound spooling up
I don’t not have a way to sound test the turbo
Batmo wheel sings like a t51r mod
Dude. You sound exactly like Mr. Rogers
What's the total cost of having a turbo machined and rebuilt with a new Billet wheel 62mm.
400 - 650 depending if you want to do the turbine upgrade too
Turbo Lab America two other quick questions how much would it be if the center section is actually not rebuildable (my turbo has side to side play and just a little in and out) and what would turn around time be and is it possible to plan it out to keep turnaround time down and what time frame would it take?
does it make any
real difference in performance on stock cummings 2500 2016
worse performance then stock
@@crxdan in what way is it worse than stock?
@@kaiserbaileyhe’s talking out his ass. I have the batmo in my 2012 6.7 Cummins and it spools up as soon as you touch the throttle. And it sounds awesome on top of that, had it in the truck almost 5 years now with 0 issues and I tow 25k lbs regularly with it.
Can I buy a wheel from you
I am trying to get a louder turbo whisle from my lb7 duramax. I got profab a turbo air horn on it and a s&b air intank on it an one of the boost fuller valve on it and 5" ehaust on it to. now looking for a turbo wheel for the most noise i can get. what would you go with?
Nice video.A mechanic in texas wanted to charge me $400 for a SPX turbo.How much do you charge for a turbo with a wicked wheel on it? I have a 2006 Dodge Ram 5.9 with after market inercooler.#.5 inch inlet and outlet tubes with the bent elbow
We build the largest upgraded turbo for the he351cw for 650 as a service and have a 200$ core charge.
how this is made? by cnc machine?
+nonamime 5 axis CNC endmill
Turbo Lab America
The bullseye wheel looks to be made by typical 5 axis machine. The wicked wheel appears to have been made with a tapered tool. KTS probably made it.
Let's talk pricing.......
Which of these wheels are made in the USA? Did you do any actual testing?
+cptinjak neither have information of where they are made and I don't have a way to test the performance I can only do a review based on design and cost.
Turbo Lab America Bullseye is made in USA. They are very vocal in their marketing of that fact. Why not put them on a car and datalog back to back?
+cptinjak because I don't get paid to do that.
Turbo Lab America what do you get paid to do?
cptinjak he gets paid to rebuild and build turbochargers lol
a question ! Sharp blades are better?
It makes sense for aerodynamics. I don't have a way to test the difference between the 2
Sharp isn't better for aerodynamics.
this has no info on either besides measurements lol, very misleading.
That is with a wicked wheel 2? If so ,send me your address and my turbo will be on the way
why leave a number if you never reply.i mean it's like it takes an act of congress to get you to do buisness.
This video is a joke. The only data was the weight and height of the wheel. No maps, no flow data, no data comparisons on performance.
Really a very pointless video.
Bueler, bueler, bueler
It’s crazy just Bc the machine cost 175 k anything it makes is worth a million bucks lol
Can see the greed for sure , the truth is all these fuck boys got diesels to be COOL NOT PRACTICAL .
Oh you drive a diesel that part just went up 200 bucks .
both of these wheels are garbage for performance. OEM is best.