Hey, remember when Knuckles literally quoted a segment from *Mein Kampf* but with the human types replaced with various animals? Good times had by all.
Uhh... I don't think that was a segment of Mein Kampf. It is however about genocide. ""First they came ..." is a poem written by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984). It is about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group."
The Archic Sonic comics are a pretty weird case, they tried to be an adaptation of the SatAM series which was already very little based on the games. And some concepts that the comics was before the game series evolved on its own, resulting on very weird, Charmy is an example as he was a character in the comic as a prince and with a girlfriend WAY before Heroes reintroduced the Chaotix. I don't want to be too hard on it as for many, this and SatAM was the Sonic they grew up with, but even treating it as its own, it still got very weird during that infamous dark era the comic had, basically, every individual writer was going crazy with the comic, doing everything they wanted without the others being aware and some of their ideas got very inappropriate, like that one writer that had the reckless audacity to reference to Holocaust Poem, I'm not kidding. Cleaning the problems took a lot of time and proces.
The Archie comics were pretty much "free for all" during that era and there was very little supervision, The history of the Archie comics is pretty weird, it was usually a mix of bad organization and bad communication between the writing staff, the Archie company and SEGA. things started to became more consistent and less weird when SEGA started to supervise the comics more around 2007 as well as having a more organizing staff. Although the relationship with SEGA and Archie was probably too messy, especially because of that since mess caused by Ken Penders, who was also the guy who made that reference. He's really not an awful person, just very oblivious and ignorant. The comic started to recover from that dark era since issue 160, when things were starting to become more organized and new writers were introduced, in fact, the majority of the Archie Sonic staff after issue 160 are the same behind the IDW Sonic comics.
The characters they couldn't longer use were his characters tho, his concept of the echidna population, as well as Scrouge (originally known as Anti-Sonic), were all his creations, he just claimed them to themselves and demanded to get paid for the use of his characters. Of course, those characters were made under Archie and logically Archie could claim those characters without dealing with his demands, but they lost all their license/paperwork on a burning (which is kind of an example of how disorganized Archie was at the time) and that allowed Penders to sue them. So they decided to give him his characters and no longer use them in the comics, which forced them to retcon things and even abort the ongoing Mecha Sally arc, at the end they eventually rebooted mostly everything. Then the comic got sue again by another old writer. It seems that by that point SEGA was just tire of Archie's mess. When they finally confirmed that Archie Sonic was canceled, it took 2 weeks later to announce the IDW comics, rumros say that SEGA wanted to move on since 2014.
Ok, so there was this one "ARC" that they didn't know how to end, so they ended up putting aliens that attack the mobius out of nowhere. Knuckles is dead by that point, but he sees what's happening on mobius from afterlife, and goes back. Before that he absorbed the power of master emerald or something, (I don't remember) and because of that he turned green. When he comes back to life he losses all the chaos energy (YEAH, CHAOS ENERGY). Also, for some reason Knux is a chosen one... The whole Sally thing is what I like to call the dark age of Sally. Long story short. Sonic died, but not really ( He was sent to space, DON'T ASK). Year later he came back, and for some reason Sally wanted him to quit fighting and stay with her in the castle, he goes "No"and then she goes nuts. This state of Sally goes until Ian takes over as the writer. He kinda fixes her, but the damage was already done (Alot of people don't like Sally mostly beacuse of this).
glad I'm not the only one who finds the Archie comics weird lmfao Ian Flynn definitely made it better however I still had my little issues with them also
AxelandZaneReborn Flynn made it easier for people to pick up the issue wherever, and while he did make some of the writing better, his direction with certain characters baffled me.
Charmy had a lot more of a tamer personality, as a prince. But then Robotnik captured him and like mentally crippled him. Pretty messed up, but after doing that Charmy gets his (game personality)
Charmy didn’t have a right to blame Sonic more than Eggman for it. Everyone was too out of character towards him in this issue as if he were the worst character/person for his breakup with Sally Acorn as a justification to be a hero and do fun adventurous things!
New Dawn Horizon So Knuckles is going to save his dad and charmy and his girlfriend lost their tribe in this new story arc as well yeah I don't think so
Harrison Bainbridge I meant that there was already a battle for angel island arc and that he’s copying that arc but putting in slight differences to throw off the readers.
Look, when Knuckles was brought back to life, due to weird Echidna rules he lost his powers. Don’t worry though, the moment he touches the Master Emerald, all of his powers return to him.
Well he didn't exactly "lose" his powers, they were simply sealed until he came in contact with chaos energy...which just so happened to time perfectly with Fintevius's plan to make him enerjak
You can thank Jon Grey for this artwork, and Karl Bollars for the writing. What most people dont know, is that Ken Penders actually mainly wrote for the Knuckles and Special Spin Offs. He didnt take over as the main writer until issue 145, but his time ended at 159. Its general misconception to blame Ken for things he didnt do.
They had to continue the plot of the 90's comic that was "Eggman rules the world and Sonic with his friends fight him weekly", something that was written in the most saturday morning cartoon way possible, and attempted to make it serious. Which turned it into "Sonic the hedgehog leads a rebellion against a tyranic genocide madman"
Yeah, it is weird that Charmy has a girlfriend at six. I mean, I guess it’s not too far-fetched for the comics considering they made Tails have a crush on Fiona, who is significantly older than he is.
-Seedrian Sparkles- Actually, fun fact. Back then in the early days of Archie, Charmy was actually portrayed as a teenager due to the Knuckles Chaotix Manuel saying he was 16 years old. That is why he has a girlfriend. However, due to some games(Heroes) changing him into a six year old, the writer did something. The writer made Eggman mess up Charmy's brain, thus MENTALLY turning him into a six year old so he can be closer to his game counterpart. The main writer soon regretted this change, as it felt wrong to use a mentally damaged person as comic relief, so he made brain damaged Charmy less jokey
The only thing ai feel Archie ever did right was reintroducing the obscure characters back into the series. I’ve never read any if the Comics, I just know that’s something they did, which I appreciate as a big fan of obscure things in the series. Now if Sega could Bring back Honey the Cat, The great Battle Kukkus, and the Witchcarters, then that’s a whole nother story. *Please Sega I beg of you, bring back baby girl, Honey is all I need.*
Wait! Sally's mother's name is Alicia? Isn't that also what Sally's evil\anti\alter universe-counterpart named? Oh yeah there are also alternate universes in this.
I'm so glad IDW Sonic and Post-Reboot Archie went with a more simplistic approach to both story and characters. It feels like their stories fit with the overall series instead of being needlessly dark and edgy for no reason besides dark and edgy are cool I guess. Speaking of IDW, can't wait for the next issues, I'm loving what they've done so far and it's cool to see the main cast returning (since they won't ever do anything in the main games) and the new character looks to be interesting.
I found that for some series you just have to jump in at around where the series currently is and accept that there are somethings you're not going to understand. My first experience with the Archie Sonic comics is the Sonic First comic in the Sonic Mega Collection. For the longest time that was my only exposure to Archie Sonic. A few years later I got interested in the comics again and decided to just jump back in at issue 200 knowing that there were just some things I wasn't going to know or understand. And I was right there a lot I didn't understand, but I found that the overall quality of the comic made it so I personally didn't care. The comic did a good job giving me just enough info to know what was going on and that's all I needed. It actually made me want to go back and read what I had missed, not because I felt I had to in order to understand what was going on, but because it just seemed interesting. Also the Archie Sonic Comics get way better after Ian Flynn takes over as head writer at issue 160.
I've only ever read like ten of these and they were the first ten. They made little to no sense but I heard they get serious later? This one was definitely bad
CouchHobbit - this one..bad? You obviously haven't seen how crappy the early days of the comic were. This one is pretty damn competent in comparison. Besides, these mid-later comics are more built off of the fact that you had to read the earlier issues in order to understand the whole scenario. It's pretty simple really.
Great video, Knight! I love how serious you read this XD Your Sally voice is amazing. Sometimes they really butcher her in the comics, as seen here. I personally love the comics, but they can get pretty weird. The Sonic Saga series has to be my favorite series so far, even if they butchered Tails a bit along the way. (Then again, considering how Forces is butchering Tails now I shouldn’t be surprised) Anyways, what would you think of Ian Flynn writing the script for a Sonic game? Sorry for the long comment again, I love ya.
Writing a game sure is different from writing a comic, but the IDW comics have been pretty great so far. I don't know if he'd do a great job but I'm certain he would do better than the writers for Sonic Forces did.
Knight of the Wind Yeah, I don’t really know if Flynn’s style would work in a game setting, but it would be a good experiment in my opinion. I didn’t really mind the writing of Forces too much, minus how they butchered Tails and how much wasted potential there was. Thanks for responding and giving me a heart by the way, I really appreciate it! It’s nice to see a rational fan in the fandom😊
Sam Fisher I like Forces overall. Yes, is far from perfect and the writing and character development isn’t the greatest, but it’s a step up from Boom and Lost World in my opinion. Hopefully, Forces is just paving the way for a great, solid game in the future. Anyways, yeah, Flynn should totally write for a game.
I say fuck that game it was a disappointment to this series and shows that sonic team don't know what the fuck there doing anymore and honestly 06 was better, yeah i said it.
This is one of my favorite storylines from the comic. Also, serious Charmy and all the other oddities make sense if you'd been following the comic for a while. Not to long in the comic before that Sonic went on a planet hopping journey through space to get back home, so the other stuff didn't really stick out as odd in comparison.
These comics are pretty great tbh, adding more depth to the series which lacked it but ya I do agree some of the character designs are to out of place sometimes for Sonic.
This is pretty much the problem with Pre Reboot Archie in a nutshell. There wasn't any kind of structure to it for those who hadn't read the comics in a long time to pick up on and instead jumped ahead of many issues thinking it would all be explained like you did. Boy, would they be in for a surprise. Pre Reboot Archie Sonic comics are notorious for many reasons, one is the whole Ken Penders Lawsuit debacle which was really no one's fault outside of Archie's for not having the writers agree to a waiver that said any characters they created automatically belonged to Archie in the first place and what ultimately became their downfall for this stupid mistake, another is the fact that the Pre Reboot Archie Sonic Comics simply did whatever the hell they thought was cool to added fake tension to the stories which soon evolved into changing up characters to fit archetypes they clearly weren't meant for, (looks at Forces Knuckles) now why does that sound familiar? And another is their stories. Most of the time they either made no sense whatsoever, created plot holes within their own continuity, contradicted with something in the games, or created things that just didn't fit within its own world ontop of other problems like trying to make new characters related to the main cast in some way. Post Reboot Archie fixed some of these problems, but not enough of them for the comics to be fixed eventually leading to the well-known cancellation of the Archie Sonic Comics and the rise of the so far much better IDW Sonic comics. I used to be a fan of the Archie Comics, but the further I read and researched, the more trouble it became to keep up with everything and eventually I just gave up on the Archie Comics and moved on to the IDW comics. Trust me Knight of the Wind, it's not worth it to get back into Archie, it's more trouble than it's worth.
True and I do like the adaptation, but that still wasn't a justification for how many problems Archie Sonic still had and ultimately lead to its collapse like the Soviet Union. A few good things to come out of a reboot doesn't justify ignoring where the problems still lied.
well, i didn't have a problem with the comics and i haven't even read every issue. i've read the post super genesis wave comics, the mega man crossovers and some issues from sonic universe and i wasn't that confused.
Trust me. It'll get confusing soon enough considering there are moments where they reference the old continuity which is another problem with the so-called "reboot" they still reference the old continuity like as if nothing had changed. That is a big no-no because reboots are suppost to be a NEW take on something and never reference the old continuity, a rule that Post Reboot Archie Sonic tends to break a lot.
you have a point. i see how it could get confusing for people, but i wasn't that confused. but this is a problem with comics in general. i don't think you could pick a transformers or TMNT comic and not question what is happening. i think IDW will get that way too. don't you think that?
I never understood why the hell Sonic would fight for a monarchy in the first place. I mean Eggman wants a dictatorship which is basically the same thing. Both are despotic. And yeah....this Archie take seems a bit too soap-opera-like for my taste. I used to collect STC though, I enjoyed that for the most part. I thought it had the best backstory for Robotnik.
Actually yep I've enjoyed Archie sonic even though it was at a low point during this comic. It was different then the games which was one of the reasons why I really read them then when the the game content came in it was done in an interesting way. I've will admit what you read is the comic's low point and archie did make means to help everyone catch up, but what do I know, right. Anyway nice video.
I was actually religiously keeping up with this comic from 2000 - 2017 (when it ended) I actually love it, when you start the comic at when Anti-Sonic first appears it's not bad, not bad at all! I love this comic.
This premise is hilarious cos this was literally my first Sonic comic! I'm a huge fan of Jon Gray's art and I enjoy the Angel Island stuff so I was pretty solidly hooked, but I'm not actually sure how much I comprehended my first time through XD
Well for Charmy in the Archie comics he was more mature and around the same age as Sonic and the others but later down the line he get's captured by Robotnik and get experimented on. As a side effect to that he mentally become the Charmy we know from the games this was due so that the comics could be somewhat similar to their game counterpart.
The Archie Sonic Comics are only weird to you because you’re so far behind and not caught up. It would all make sense to you if you had read everything leading up to the issue you read in this video.
part of the reason the characters look so out of place is because at that time the art style was very anime inspired (to say the least) causing major clashes in the art style
I've been revisiting the Archie Sonic comics and one thing I find for sure to be true is that there's a lot of weird older comics and they almost remind me of bad 90s kids shows where everything is contained to one episode. I do however think that Ian Flynn did a pretty good job at turning things around especially as I looked into Scourge and Finitevus some more. Although he did have some questionable choices like making Charmy mentally handicapped and playing it off as a which was not cool
I read a handful of the Archie comics, mainly the ones given away on Free Comic Book Day and the occasional issue here and there, but I never regularly kept up with it. That was probably for the best, I hear it got pretty convoluted. I have been keeping up with IDW's Sonic comic though, and it's pretty good.
Archie tried to hard to be edgy and dark that it came off as cringy and weird before the reboot, thankfully it got better before it was cancelled. IDW is the much better series and with better storylines.
huh, shows how much I paid attention. At 5:30 the green bird on the far right is Tekno, she's not even from the archie comics, she's from the Fleetway comics (that's a whole other pile of weird alternate universe stuff). sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Tekno_the_Canary ... the more you know.
I disliked the setting, but *_LOVED_* the characters themselves (Julie-Su, I actually wished was Knuckles' _sister,_ not his girlfriend; the others, I had virtually no problems with) that came from the pre-Super Genesis Wave timeline. But honestly, you did a good job by making this video, and I share your opinion when it comes to how weird they can get. I have a suggestion: Can you make one where you talk about weird Sonic character _couples?_ If so, that'd be great! :3
Lol you picked a weird plot line and artist selection to pick up again with! And after all that had been going on in the series before this, it makes this issue even weirder. My sympathies. XD Loved your review tho! I’ve collected this series since issue three, and over the years it’s had its good moments, it’s bad moments and it’s strange moments. This was one of the strange plot arcs where the artists used an unusually cartoony style while taking the story EXTREMELY seriously. While the Archie Comics Sonic series isn’t unknown to have some serious and even dark plots, I always felt this unusually kiddie cartoonish style of this period in the comics, and the dire trouble everyone was caught up in from the ongoing story were very disconnected.
Oh, I remember this issue. It came with a Vector and Espio figure set. Didn't remember it at first until 2:47. Couldn't forget seeing the kidnapping line with no prior context.
Funny enough this was actually my first Archie Sonic comic. I was completely blind on the series even existing before this as I was extremely young and it wasn’t even when the comic had came out as it was a re release of it. At the point they were ways to hitting 100. And I just say the early 100 comics were weird and were nothing like the original 50 or so with Classic Sonic. But the later 100s were much better after they switched writers. Then because of the switch they had the whole “you can’t use Julie, Scourge, etc” after the Mega Man collab but I think after each reboot Ian Flynn was making it feel much more like what you would expect out of a serious take on the games versions of the characters then what Ken Penders ever did.
Joyce Ismael it's just stupid. Sonic returns after being warped across the universe and everyone was happy. The kingdom decides to celebrate sonic's return. At the end, sally wanted sonic to step down from fighting and take over as king. Sonic refuses due to him being one of the only one that is capable of defeating robotnik. Sally then goes berserk, slaps him infont of the whole town, and called him selfish even though he's sacrifice his life to save the earth. Then they broke up. The beginning was alright, but the ending was very unnecessary. It's pretty much considered one of the worst issues, if not, the worst.
The comics definitely aren't perfect and some stories are very weird but in all honesty, i really like them a lot. I think things start getting a lot better after issue 125 and really picks on around 200. Except for the King Sonic arc maybe, which was a little weird.
I do still enjoy the Archie adaptation but I don't exactly go through the ENTIRE thing. I did enjoy the backstory they made for Knuckles (even if it was written by Penders in his less terrible days). It gave him a reason to at least explore his island and instead of mindlessly guarding the emerald, it made him want to understand why. He started wanting to know what happened to the rest of his kind and he had plenty of room to do so because the emerald he guarded was not located "CONVINIENTLY ON THE EDGE OF ANGEL ISLAND, ASKING TO BE STOLEN". The more he looked into his history the more he found out about his predecessors, they're achievements and the enemy on the other side of their family only to meet his own primary enemy Enerjak. If you feel like it I would like to see a video going into Knuckles and Enerjak.
If you do want to continue with the Archie comics I recommend at around issue 252 that was when it had a reboot and made things so much simpler. Or better yet just read the IDW comics.
Harrison Bainbridge the idw comics have provided nothing noteworthy so far. And the reboot Archie series (while interesting) pretty much destroyed the whole original lore of 20 or so years. The reboot also tied the comics too far in with the game version of Sonic instead of letting it have it's own unique identity. It was kind of a cop out to all the things that had been developing for 210 issues or so, plus the knuckles and spin off comics.
Zachary Flack But they still get the characters right they still have fun moments in them, yes their nothing ground breaking but I think they get the job done.
Well... If you consider that Sonic Forces actually had the squirrel soldier in it and Forces was actually the Archie Sonic universe without the Acorns and the whole Acorn Kingdom thing, I think the next thing will be that Sonic Team may be actually make a callback to these comics and include this edgy, Sonic Adventure-styled "Modern Sally" in the next 3D Sonic game. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.
What i think of the archie comics is that they are really trying to put all of this nonsense together and that is really impresive in my opinion, all that tv shows and games that are so far away from each other just put together in a way that makes some sense is really hard to do and i think that have this many dum stuff is just natural. I am not sure how the archie comics works but the "saga" or "issues" that i like the most is the Sonic universe ones, its start with a fight between shadow and metal sonic in the blaze dimension but i was ok with that because it looks really cool and interesting, and then they mention an issue that explain something and i became even more curious about what happened, so my point is that they did a great job not just putting all the sonic series in an universe that everything is cannon but they also maked so if you get lost with what is goin on or you want to just know more they put the numer of the issue so you know were to search if you want. I personally think that is a mess, but what you can do having a series so inconsistent as Sonic. Sorry if my english is bad :P
I agree with you about the art in this issue is bad and how Sally and others are portrait as well. I'm currently reading archie comics (I'm in issue 57) and I can guarantee you that the art and characters personalities are better it all depends on who write and draw the issue.
As I am watching this, I'm thinking to myself "NO! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! IT'S NOT LIKE THAT ANYMORE! THE COMIC BECAME SO MUCH BETTER WHEN IAN FLYNN TOOK OVER IN ISSUE 160! I PROMISE!" But yeah. I understand your snickering and humor. I understand the weirdness of the pre-160 era. I get ya.
Well I haven't really read some of the older comics from the past and I have missed some things too. I think I first got into the comics when i first discovered either Issue #189, #190 or #192. Like a long going comic series, this series have so many different art stlyes from different artist. Not to mention writers when it comes to comics making so many plot points. Which as a kid I thought it was really cool. XD But I can see this series has many plot holes too. None the less weirdly enough, I still enjoy it. if it wern't for the games, this series wouldn't exists. Overall I really enjoyed this video and the voices you made. I hope to see more reviews from you if you want to. Thank you. ^^
Can we all just agree that Ian Flynn is great? I've gone back and forth on the Archie comics for a long time, but I've always enjoyed the comics written by Ian Flynn, it made me pick up the series until around the time it was canceled. I didn't always have the latest comics, but I was starting to catch up.
What an issue to start with. I don't recall the actual plot of this arc too well, but I remember that the art-style for this issue is rather infamous due to it being associated with the most hated issue in the series.
I tried to keep up through back issues and the ever-reliable Archives collections, but my Archie Sonic knowledge likewise tops out somewhere around the early 100s. That being said, I found this to be a great jumping-on issue. All you need to know about the current status quo is explained in this issue: Robotnik has Angel Island in his clutches, Sonic and co. are licking their wounds and taking stock of their situation. The art style is a bit strange for the period and it took me a while to remember that Uncle Chuck (Sir Charles) ran a chili dog diner, but otherwise, this is shockingly approachable. Also, the cheesy melodramatic moments, such as Charmy's village being torn apart by evil forces, were always par for the course with Archie Sonic, particularly after issue 50, the concluding moments of the "Endgame" storyline. I found it quite impressive that Ken Penders, Ian Flynn, and the rest were able to take a whole menagerie of strange characters and concepts, make serious storylines with all of them that stayed true to the franchise's roots, and that, for the most part, could hold together over an insanely long stretch of issues. I've heard people compare Archie Sonic to Kurt Busiek's Avengers run from around the same time this issue originally came out in terms of drama and tension. I'm inclined to agree with them; it's some of the best stuff I've ever read in comics.
Hey, one of my personal favorite arcs. Always did like the artstyle in these ones. Even though admittedly I'm in the minority. The pre-reboot comics became complicated really fast. So you would need to read the earlier issues (and the knuckles comics) to understand what's really going on. There is a ton of focus on knuckles in the pre-reboot comics so it makes this arc all the more difficult to just pick up and read out of nowhere.
Yh the archie comics before the reboot was a wild West when it comes to story telling for this franchise, since I think sega just allowed different writers to experiment with the characters rather than actually setting a path for them to follow, hence why ken penders along with the others implemented such obscure content. This is why the comics after the reboot were much better since they actually followed a route that helped to define the characters for who thay are rather than just allowing writers to do what ever they want, although some of the rules on sega side should be amended since they are not really needed.
I only have read some chapters of the Sonic Archie comics to find out whats going on in the Mega Man Archie comics the time they crossed over. Where I left off was seeing tails dad go against the government so tails goes against Sonic who is for the government. I also still have no idea what happened in that crossover...
Honestly, if you want a better spot to start with the Archie Sonic series, start with when Ian Flynn was given the reins. He ditches the love triangle crap real quick and does a much better job at characterizing everyone with Tracy Yardley! at his side making everyone visually fit into the Sonic universe much more seamlessly. If you don't want any story baggage and don't want to sit through Ian Flynn finding his groove you could start with the post-Super Genesis Wave issues, but the time in between Ian Flynn entering the picture and the large-scale retcon event taking place holds some of my all-time favourite moments in the comics as a whole that got me either genuinely laughing or shedding a tear. Though I will admit, the whole Iron Kingdom arc is a real slog save for some cool moments, and the whole sub-plot with Tails' parents still confuses me to no end.
They probably had to kill and then bring back knuckles so they could scale down his god-like powerlevel from his spinoff series. *shakes fist in the air* ken penders......
It makes (somewhat) sense when you read it from start to finish. But if you jump in in the middle, it's to be expected that you are lost. Unlike the games which tell different, almost self-contained stories, Archie Sonic is one cohesive story which relys more and more on its past the more you move foward in said story.
As others have said there are a lot of things that will be explained if you read the comics (and considering you only read the first 40... yeah this is 138 and that's like OVER EIGHT YEARS of time lapse so of course things are going to be different unless you're doing a pure comedy zany mad cap hijinks with no continutiy whatsoever to it) though I should point out one thing: The reason Charmy is serious here is because his whole "being a prince" backstory was something that was fleshed out In Knuckles comics 13-15 aka "The Chaotix Caper" which was posted back in 1998. See the Chaotix in the Knuckles comics and I guess honestly until the post reboot continuity were Knuckles supporting character and since they were around since the Knuckles Chaotix special from 1995, obviously were given personalities and stories LONGGGGGGGGGGGG before Sonic Heroes in 2004 revamped how the Chaotix act and operate. And it was Sonic Heroes that reintroduced Charmy into the games continuity and gave him a personality (which he didn't have in Sonic Chaotix obviously) of being a goofy obnoxious spastic kid. But that was not his personality in the comics at all... well until like Ian Flynn felt "eh I want to make Charmy more like he is in the games" for whatever reason and had his mind zapped and destroyed a lot of his intelligence in 176 to make him more of a random goof like he was in the games even though again he hadn't been like that in the comcis. But the point is you're suppose to take Charmy seriously here because he's not a stupid silly character. Honestly of the characters in the Chaotix the only one that fully fits that is Vector in the comics and he has a whole thing that uh not going to really get into here put point is there's a reason the comics are structured this way and why everyone acts a certain was as well. But that's just from a super sonic comics fan and honestly I like people who either haven't read the comics in awhile or don't know at all offering outsider "wait what's happening" interrpreations of the material like you or the Game Grumps.
I’m all for darker Sonic stories, but...not like this. This is too much.
Also, this art style gets on my nerves.
right...they overdid the story
Yeah the art style is shit!
The art style isn't that bad, it's just very different. It ain't even close to the worst art that's been on this book.
When this shit comes from a pichu, you know its bad.
I think this is before Flynn started doing it.
Hey, remember when Knuckles literally quoted a segment from *Mein Kampf* but with the human types replaced with various animals?
Good times had by all.
TELL ME WHERE PLEASE
The Fox
The Holocaust Poem was in the beginning Prologue segment for Issue 22 of the 40 part Knuckles The Echidna mini-series.
Uhh... I don't think that was a segment of Mein Kampf. It is however about genocide.
""First they came ..." is a poem written by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984). It is about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group."
Yeah Ken Penders was and still is a fucking progressive hard left lunatic.
From what i remember Penders also used quotes from the Bible. That's hardly left.
2:43 When did Sonic have 7 fingers?
so he can have seven rings at hand
im sorry
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The Archic Sonic comics are a pretty weird case, they tried to be an adaptation of the SatAM series which was already very little based on the games. And some concepts that the comics was before the game series evolved on its own, resulting on very weird, Charmy is an example as he was a character in the comic as a prince and with a girlfriend WAY before Heroes reintroduced the Chaotix.
I don't want to be too hard on it as for many, this and SatAM was the Sonic they grew up with, but even treating it as its own, it still got very weird during that infamous dark era the comic had, basically, every individual writer was going crazy with the comic, doing everything they wanted without the others being aware and some of their ideas got very inappropriate, like that one writer that had the reckless audacity to reference to Holocaust Poem, I'm not kidding. Cleaning the problems took a lot of time and proces.
The Archie comics were pretty much "free for all" during that era and there was very little supervision,
The history of the Archie comics is pretty weird, it was usually a mix of bad organization and bad communication between the writing staff, the Archie company and SEGA. things started to became more consistent and less weird when SEGA started to supervise the comics more around 2007 as well as having a more organizing staff. Although the relationship with SEGA and Archie was probably too messy, especially because of that since mess caused by Ken Penders, who was also the guy who made that reference. He's really not an awful person, just very oblivious and ignorant.
The comic started to recover from that dark era since issue 160, when things were starting to become more organized and new writers were introduced, in fact, the majority of the Archie Sonic staff after issue 160 are the same behind the IDW Sonic comics.
The characters they couldn't longer use were his characters tho, his concept of the echidna population, as well as Scrouge (originally known as Anti-Sonic), were all his creations, he just claimed them to themselves and demanded to get paid for the use of his characters. Of course, those characters were made under Archie and logically Archie could claim those characters without dealing with his demands, but they lost all their license/paperwork on a burning (which is kind of an example of how disorganized Archie was at the time) and that allowed Penders to sue them. So they decided to give him his characters and no longer use them in the comics, which forced them to retcon things and even abort the ongoing Mecha Sally arc, at the end they eventually rebooted mostly everything. Then the comic got sue again by another old writer.
It seems that by that point SEGA was just tire of Archie's mess. When they finally confirmed that Archie Sonic was canceled, it took 2 weeks later to announce the IDW comics, rumros say that SEGA wanted to move on since 2014.
Ok, so there was this one "ARC" that they didn't know how to end, so they ended up putting aliens that attack the mobius out of nowhere. Knuckles is dead by that point, but he sees what's happening on mobius from afterlife, and goes back. Before that he absorbed the power of master emerald or something, (I don't remember) and because of that he turned green. When he comes back to life he losses all the chaos energy (YEAH, CHAOS ENERGY). Also, for some reason Knux is a chosen one...
The whole Sally thing is what I like to call the dark age of Sally. Long story short. Sonic died, but not really ( He was sent to space, DON'T ASK). Year later he came back, and for some reason Sally wanted him to quit fighting and stay with her in the castle, he goes "No"and then she goes nuts. This state of Sally goes until Ian takes over as the writer. He kinda fixes her, but the damage was already done (Alot of people don't like Sally mostly beacuse of this).
yeah ken penders ruins everything
glad I'm not the only one who finds the Archie comics weird lmfao Ian Flynn definitely made it better however I still had my little issues with them also
AxelandZaneReborn Flynn made it easier for people to pick up the issue wherever, and while he did make some of the writing better, his direction with certain characters baffled me.
TheTopTens: It’s not like haters can make a better comic series than Archie. *gets this: **rottenwebsites.miraheze.org/wiki/TheTopTens*
Charmy had a lot more of a tamer personality, as a prince. But then Robotnik captured him and like mentally crippled him. Pretty messed up, but after doing that Charmy gets his (game personality)
Frost Reaper23
yep thanks sega for regressing his age in Sonic Heroes.
Of it was not Sega regressing his age as much as Sega of America fucking the Knuckles Chaodix manual up.
Frost Reaper23 Christ, that's messed up.
what is wrong with these writers im glad nothing like this happens now
Charmy didn’t have a right to blame Sonic more than Eggman for it. Everyone was too out of character towards him in this issue as if he were the worst character/person for his breakup with Sally Acorn as a justification to be a hero and do fun adventurous things!
Upcoming IDW arc is called the Battle for Angel Island. Coincidence?
Devan Archer Definitely will be a lot simpler then this I know
Devan Archer That just proves Ian can’t come up with anything on his own because he’s just copying the Archie sonic comics and the games
New Dawn Horizon So Knuckles is going to save his dad and charmy and his girlfriend lost their tribe in this new story arc as well yeah I don't think so
New Dawn Horizon That’s copyrighting.
Harrison Bainbridge I meant that there was already a battle for angel island arc and that he’s copying that arc but putting in slight differences to throw off the readers.
Look, when Knuckles was brought back to life, due to weird Echidna rules he lost his powers. Don’t worry though, the moment he touches the Master Emerald, all of his powers return to him.
Well he didn't exactly "lose" his powers, they were simply sealed until he came in contact with chaos energy...which just so happened to time perfectly with Fintevius's plan to make him enerjak
You can thank Jon Grey for this artwork, and Karl Bollars for the writing. What most people dont know, is that Ken Penders actually mainly wrote for the Knuckles and Special Spin Offs. He didnt take over as the main writer until issue 145, but his time ended at 159.
Its general misconception to blame Ken for things he didnt do.
They had to continue the plot of the 90's comic that was "Eggman rules the world and Sonic with his friends fight him weekly", something that was written in the most saturday morning cartoon way possible, and attempted to make it serious. Which turned it into "Sonic the hedgehog leads a rebellion against a tyranic genocide madman"
Those comics looks like fanfics for me.
And this, this... is not the best in terms of fanfics.
Yeah the 3 fanfics I read are better than this.
The female bee is Saffron, Charmy’s girlfriend😂
hes six those sick f@$^s
thats even worse
FBi OPEN UP
Yeah, it is weird that Charmy has a girlfriend at six. I mean, I guess it’s not too far-fetched for the comics considering they made Tails have a crush on Fiona, who is significantly older than he is.
-Seedrian Sparkles- Actually, fun fact. Back then in the early days of Archie, Charmy was actually portrayed as a teenager due to the Knuckles Chaotix Manuel saying he was 16 years old. That is why he has a girlfriend. However, due to some games(Heroes) changing him into a six year old, the writer did something. The writer made Eggman mess up Charmy's brain, thus MENTALLY turning him into a six year old so he can be closer to his game counterpart. The main writer soon regretted this change, as it felt wrong to use a mentally damaged person as comic relief, so he made brain damaged Charmy less jokey
believe me, the characters look WAAAAAAAY better in the later issues. ESPECIALLY after issue 252.
yeah! i also like the art for IDW
The only thing ai feel Archie ever did right was reintroducing the obscure characters back into the series. I’ve never read any if the Comics, I just know that’s something they did, which I appreciate as a big fan of obscure things in the series. Now if Sega could Bring back Honey the Cat, The great Battle Kukkus, and the Witchcarters, then that’s a whole nother story. *Please Sega I beg of you, bring back baby girl, Honey is all I need.*
Wait! Sally's mother's name is Alicia? Isn't that also what Sally's evil\anti\alter universe-counterpart named? Oh yeah there are also alternate universes in this.
Not to mention that Sally’s middle name is also Alicia.
@@kieranstark7213 well, it makes sense. don't middle names tend to be one of the parents' names?
If you consider making more of these, might I suggest picking up another random issue to add more to the absurdity of it all?
I'm so glad IDW Sonic and Post-Reboot Archie went with a more simplistic approach to both story and characters. It feels like their stories fit with the overall series instead of being needlessly dark and edgy for no reason besides dark and edgy are cool I guess. Speaking of IDW, can't wait for the next issues, I'm loving what they've done so far and it's cool to see the main cast returning (since they won't ever do anything in the main games) and the new character looks to be interesting.
DarkSonic180 No u
Plus, IDW makes a lot crossovers.
I'll blow a fuse if we get a Trasfomers crossover.
sonic and friends go to the transformers universe and become cybertronions and the autobots become talking animals
Game On
They did a crossover with X-Files, Star Trek and Marvel so it itsnt too farfetched
and they can make toys to promote it
I found that for some series you just have to jump in at around where the series currently is and accept that there are somethings you're not going to understand. My first experience with the Archie Sonic comics is the Sonic First comic in the Sonic Mega Collection. For the longest time that was my only exposure to Archie Sonic. A few years later I got interested in the comics again and decided to just jump back in at issue 200 knowing that there were just some things I wasn't going to know or understand. And I was right there a lot I didn't understand, but I found that the overall quality of the comic made it so I personally didn't care. The comic did a good job giving me just enough info to know what was going on and that's all I needed. It actually made me want to go back and read what I had missed, not because I felt I had to in order to understand what was going on, but because it just seemed interesting.
Also the Archie Sonic Comics get way better after Ian Flynn takes over as head writer at issue 160.
You should make more! Except next time you should read an issue from the Ian Flynn era of the comics, spanning issue 160 onward.
Look up Sally’s most recent design. It fits the Sonic series more. Also Antoine becomes not useless.
My problems with the Archie Comics in a nutshell.
I've only ever read like ten of these and they were the first ten. They made little to no sense but I heard they get serious later? This one was definitely bad
CouchHobbit - this one..bad? You obviously haven't seen how crappy the early days of the comic were. This one is pretty damn competent in comparison. Besides, these mid-later comics are more built off of the fact that you had to read the earlier issues in order to understand the whole scenario. It's pretty simple really.
Great video, Knight! I love how serious you read this XD Your Sally voice is amazing. Sometimes they really butcher her in the comics, as seen here. I personally love the comics, but they can get pretty weird. The Sonic Saga series has to be my favorite series so far, even if they butchered Tails a bit along the way. (Then again, considering how Forces is butchering Tails now I shouldn’t be surprised) Anyways, what would you think of Ian Flynn writing the script for a Sonic game? Sorry for the long comment again, I love ya.
Writing a game sure is different from writing a comic, but the IDW comics have been pretty great so far. I don't know if he'd do a great job but I'm certain he would do better than the writers for Sonic Forces did.
Knight of the Wind Yeah, I don’t really know if Flynn’s style would work in a game setting, but it would be a good experiment in my opinion. I didn’t really mind the writing of Forces too much, minus how they butchered Tails and how much wasted potential there was. Thanks for responding and giving me a heart by the way, I really appreciate it! It’s nice to see a rational fan in the fandom😊
forces sucks ass and Iizuki is a hack, if Mr. Flynn wrote for the games i guarantee sonic would be a helluva a lot better
Sam Fisher I like Forces overall. Yes, is far from perfect and the writing and character development isn’t the greatest, but it’s a step up from Boom and Lost World in my opinion. Hopefully, Forces is just paving the way for a great, solid game in the future. Anyways, yeah, Flynn should totally write for a game.
I say fuck that game it was a disappointment to this series and shows that sonic team don't know what the fuck there doing anymore and honestly 06 was better, yeah i said it.
I loved the archive comics! It was like a war time soap opera but with cute woodland creatures! 😂
This is one of my favorite storylines from the comic. Also, serious Charmy and all the other oddities make sense if you'd been following the comic for a while. Not to long in the comic before that Sonic went on a planet hopping journey through space to get back home, so the other stuff didn't really stick out as odd in comparison.
These comics are pretty great tbh, adding more depth to the series which lacked it but ya I do agree some of the character designs are to out of place sometimes for Sonic.
I actually loved this angel island arc. They were my first comics as a kid and it blew my mind
This is pretty much the problem with Pre Reboot Archie in a nutshell. There wasn't any kind of structure to it for those who hadn't read the comics in a long time to pick up on and instead jumped ahead of many issues thinking it would all be explained like you did. Boy, would they be in for a surprise.
Pre Reboot Archie Sonic comics are notorious for many reasons, one is the whole Ken Penders Lawsuit debacle which was really no one's fault outside of Archie's for not having the writers agree to a waiver that said any characters they created automatically belonged to Archie in the first place and what ultimately became their downfall for this stupid mistake, another is the fact that the Pre Reboot Archie Sonic Comics simply did whatever the hell they thought was cool to added fake tension to the stories which soon evolved into changing up characters to fit archetypes they clearly weren't meant for, (looks at Forces Knuckles) now why does that sound familiar?
And another is their stories. Most of the time they either made no sense whatsoever, created plot holes within their own continuity, contradicted with something in the games, or created things that just didn't fit within its own world ontop of other problems like trying to make new characters related to the main cast in some way.
Post Reboot Archie fixed some of these problems, but not enough of them for the comics to be fixed eventually leading to the well-known cancellation of the Archie Sonic Comics and the rise of the so far much better IDW Sonic comics. I used to be a fan of the Archie Comics, but the further I read and researched, the more trouble it became to keep up with everything and eventually I just gave up on the Archie Comics and moved on to the IDW comics. Trust me Knight of the Wind, it's not worth it to get back into Archie, it's more trouble than it's worth.
but the issues after the super genesis wave are good. especially the sonic the fighters adaptation. it has FREAKING Scratch and Grounder and Honey.
True and I do like the adaptation, but that still wasn't a justification for how many problems Archie Sonic still had and ultimately lead to its collapse like the Soviet Union. A few good things to come out of a reboot doesn't justify ignoring where the problems still lied.
well, i didn't have a problem with the comics and i haven't even read every issue. i've read the post super genesis wave comics, the mega man crossovers and some issues from sonic universe and i wasn't that confused.
Trust me. It'll get confusing soon enough considering there are moments where they reference the old continuity which is another problem with the so-called "reboot" they still reference the old continuity like as if nothing had changed. That is a big no-no because reboots are suppost to be a NEW take on something and never reference the old continuity, a rule that Post Reboot Archie Sonic tends to break a lot.
you have a point.
i see how it could get confusing for people, but i wasn't that confused.
but this is a problem with comics in general. i don't think you could pick a transformers or TMNT comic and not question what is happening.
i think IDW will get that way too. don't you think that?
I never understood why the hell Sonic would fight for a monarchy in the first place. I mean Eggman wants a dictatorship which is basically the same thing. Both are despotic. And yeah....this Archie take seems a bit too soap-opera-like for my taste. I used to collect STC though, I enjoyed that for the most part. I thought it had the best backstory for Robotnik.
I wish they stopped reminding us about that whole Knuckles storyline.
This could of been a sonic fancomic.....did this start out as a fan fiction?
nope a officially Licence comic produced between 1993 to 2017.
Funnily enough, Ian Flynn started off as a Sonic fan fiction writer, and upon joining the official comic he made the comic ten times better, lol
It started off/based on the Sonic cartoon SATAM
Actually yep I've enjoyed Archie sonic even though it was at a low point during this comic. It was different then the games which was one of the reasons why I really read them then when the the game content came in it was done in an interesting way. I've will admit what you read is the comic's low point and archie did make means to help everyone catch up, but what do I know, right. Anyway nice video.
I was actually religiously keeping up with this comic from 2000 - 2017 (when it ended)
I actually love it, when you start the comic at when Anti-Sonic first appears it's not bad, not bad at all! I love this comic.
This premise is hilarious cos this was literally my first Sonic comic! I'm a huge fan of Jon Gray's art and I enjoy the Angel Island stuff so I was pretty solidly hooked, but I'm not actually sure how much I comprehended my first time through XD
Well for Charmy in the Archie comics he was more mature and around the same age as Sonic and the others but later down the line he get's captured by Robotnik and get experimented on. As a side effect to that he mentally become the Charmy we know from the games this was due so that the comics could be somewhat similar to their game counterpart.
ahhhh the late 90's/early 2000's "how to draw manga" style....nostalgic
I miss the old one, I don't hate this one just thought the old one suit you.
Edit: Btw 7:31, that's a great pfp.
When doing the bee voice you sound like mother brain from Sonic For Hire.
The Archie Sonic Comics are only weird to you because you’re so far behind and not caught up. It would all make sense to you if you had read everything leading up to the issue you read in this video.
I sincerely doubt I'd every be able to take Charmy seriously in this role. Even with 100 issues of backstory.
Knight of the Wind He Lost his home, family, and friends though.
Nate Carter He kinda does. The Chaotix become his family.
Nate Carter *GASP*
Nate Carter nothing important.
Now that I just finished archie sonic yesterday and seeing these videos, reading archie without context is the funniest shit ever
You're sonic impression isn't half bad! :)
I really want to see more videos on this. Great video like always.
I'm reading through all of them and now I'm at that issue and boy, it's sure funny to rewatch your video after I learn so much about the story XD
Robotnik hates the bee movie confirmed
I'm glad I never read these comics, they just got weird.
Truth be told issue #138 (the issue Knight is reading) was the first time I ever came in contact with the comics
I still enjoy it to this day
I just found out that the knuckles in the thumbnail, is from issue 138.
He kinda looks creepy
Gotta love how the cover and the actual comic have completely different art styles....
part of the reason the characters look so out of place is because at that time the art style was very anime inspired (to say the least) causing major clashes in the art style
I've been revisiting the Archie Sonic comics and one thing I find for sure to be true is that there's a lot of weird older comics and they almost remind me of bad 90s kids shows where everything is contained to one episode. I do however think that Ian Flynn did a pretty good job at turning things around especially as I looked into Scourge and Finitevus some more. Although he did have some questionable choices like making Charmy mentally handicapped and playing it off as a which was not cool
I read a handful of the Archie comics, mainly the ones given away on Free Comic Book Day and the occasional issue here and there, but I never regularly kept up with it. That was probably for the best, I hear it got pretty convoluted.
I have been keeping up with IDW's Sonic comic though, and it's pretty good.
It's cool how on the cover Sonic and Knuckles are doing the Sonic Heroes pose.
Archie tried to hard to be edgy and dark that it came off as cringy and weird before the reboot, thankfully it got better before it was cancelled. IDW is the much better series and with better storylines.
huh, shows how much I paid attention. At 5:30 the green bird on the far right is Tekno, she's not even from the archie comics, she's from the Fleetway comics (that's a whole other pile of weird alternate universe stuff). sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Tekno_the_Canary ... the more you know.
I disliked the setting, but *_LOVED_* the characters themselves (Julie-Su, I actually wished was Knuckles' _sister,_ not his girlfriend; the others, I had virtually no problems with) that came from the pre-Super Genesis Wave timeline. But honestly, you did a good job by making this video, and I share your opinion when it comes to how weird they can get. I have a suggestion: Can you make one where you talk about weird Sonic character _couples?_ If so, that'd be great! :3
Lol you picked a weird plot line and artist selection to pick up again with! And after all that had been going on in the series before this, it makes this issue even weirder. My sympathies. XD
Loved your review tho! I’ve collected this series since issue three, and over the years it’s had its good moments, it’s bad moments and it’s strange moments. This was one of the strange plot arcs where the artists used an unusually cartoony style while taking the story EXTREMELY seriously. While the Archie Comics Sonic series isn’t unknown to have some serious and even dark plots, I always felt this unusually kiddie cartoonish style of this period in the comics, and the dire trouble everyone was caught up in from the ongoing story were very disconnected.
Oh, I remember this issue. It came with a Vector and Espio figure set. Didn't remember it at first until 2:47. Couldn't forget seeing the kidnapping line with no prior context.
Funny enough this was actually my first Archie Sonic comic. I was completely blind on the series even existing before this as I was extremely young and it wasn’t even when the comic had came out as it was a re release of it. At the point they were ways to hitting 100. And I just say the early 100 comics were weird and were nothing like the original 50 or so with Classic Sonic. But the later 100s were much better after they switched writers. Then because of the switch they had the whole “you can’t use Julie, Scourge, etc” after the Mega Man collab but I think after each reboot Ian Flynn was making it feel much more like what you would expect out of a serious take on the games versions of the characters then what Ken Penders ever did.
But I would really love to see you do a comparison video between this issue, the original issues, and one post reboot issues in the 200s
I really like doing this and wouldn't mind doing more.
That's why we liked the comics too.
Wait till you see shadow he's nothing like he should be.
Can you do more archie sonic?
DO. NOT. DO. 134.
Sonic 3 & knuckles What does _that_ issue have? I'm curious.
Joyce Ismael it's just stupid. Sonic returns after being warped across the universe and everyone was happy. The kingdom decides to celebrate sonic's return. At the end, sally wanted sonic to step down from fighting and take over as king. Sonic refuses due to him being one of the only one that is capable of defeating robotnik. Sally then goes berserk, slaps him infont of the whole town, and called him selfish even though he's sacrifice his life to save the earth. Then they broke up. The beginning was alright, but the ending was very unnecessary. It's pretty much considered one of the worst issues, if not, the worst.
7:47 I love how as soon as the image of Eggman appears, the theme of the Egg Carrier plays in the background
The comics definitely aren't perfect and some stories are very weird but in all honesty, i really like them a lot. I think things start getting a lot better after issue 125 and really picks on around 200. Except for the King Sonic arc maybe, which was a little weird.
I do still enjoy the Archie adaptation but I don't exactly go through the ENTIRE thing. I did enjoy the backstory they made for Knuckles (even if it was written by Penders in his less terrible days). It gave him a reason to at least explore his island and instead of mindlessly guarding the emerald, it made him want to understand why. He started wanting to know what happened to the rest of his kind and he had plenty of room to do so because the emerald he guarded was not located "CONVINIENTLY ON THE EDGE OF ANGEL ISLAND, ASKING TO BE STOLEN". The more he looked into his history the more he found out about his predecessors, they're achievements and the enemy on the other side of their family only to meet his own primary enemy Enerjak.
If you feel like it I would like to see a video going into Knuckles and Enerjak.
you need to make more of these!!!
This is all Ken Penders, just read after 150, and it's so much better.
If you do want to continue with the Archie comics I recommend at around issue 252 that was when it had a reboot and made things so much simpler. Or better yet just read the IDW comics.
DarkSonic180 Just recommending
DarkSonic180 Your one of those guys aren't you. Aren't you the guy that said Sonic 06s plot a masterpiece.
Harrison Bainbridge the idw comics have provided nothing noteworthy so far. And the reboot Archie series (while interesting) pretty much destroyed the whole original lore of 20 or so years. The reboot also tied the comics too far in with the game version of Sonic instead of letting it have it's own unique identity. It was kind of a cop out to all the things that had been developing for 210 issues or so, plus the knuckles and spin off comics.
Zachary Flack But they still get the characters right they still have fun moments in them, yes their nothing ground breaking but I think they get the job done.
DarkSonic180 Is it fact though
Well... If you consider that Sonic Forces actually had the squirrel soldier in it and Forces was actually the Archie Sonic universe without the Acorns and the whole Acorn Kingdom thing, I think the next thing will be that Sonic Team may be actually make a callback to these comics and include this edgy, Sonic Adventure-styled "Modern Sally" in the next 3D Sonic game. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.
Don’t tell him that Julie-su (knuckles’ girlfriend) is a distant cousin of Knuckles
Lol, now I really want you to start doing thus kore often but starting with the first one
What i think of the archie comics is that they are really trying to put all of this nonsense together and that is really impresive in my opinion, all that tv shows and games that are so far away from each other just put together in a way that makes some sense is really hard to do and i think that have this many dum stuff is just natural. I am not sure how the archie comics works but the "saga" or "issues" that i like the most is the Sonic universe ones, its start with a fight between shadow and metal sonic in the blaze dimension but i was ok with that because it looks really cool and interesting, and then they mention an issue that explain something and i became even more curious about what happened, so my point is that they did a great job not just putting all the sonic series in an universe that everything is cannon but they also maked so if you get lost with what is goin on or you want to just know more they put the numer of the issue so you know were to search if you want. I personally think that is a mess, but what you can do having a series so inconsistent as Sonic.
Sorry if my english is bad :P
I agree with you about the art in this issue is bad and how Sally and others are portrait as well.
I'm currently reading archie comics (I'm in issue 57) and I can guarantee you that the art and characters personalities are better it all depends on who write and draw the issue.
As I am watching this, I'm thinking to myself "NO! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! IT'S NOT LIKE THAT ANYMORE! THE COMIC BECAME SO MUCH BETTER WHEN IAN FLYNN TOOK OVER IN ISSUE 160! I PROMISE!"
But yeah. I understand your snickering and humor. I understand the weirdness of the pre-160 era. I get ya.
WE-LOST-EVERYTHING
You killed me there man
Well I haven't really read some of the older comics from the past and I have missed some things too. I think I first got into the comics when i first discovered either Issue #189, #190 or #192. Like a long going comic series, this series have so many different art stlyes from different artist. Not to mention writers when it comes to comics making so many plot points. Which as a kid I thought it was really cool. XD But I can see this series has many plot holes too. None the less weirdly enough, I still enjoy it. if it wern't for the games, this series wouldn't exists. Overall I really enjoyed this video and the voices you made. I hope to see more reviews from you if you want to. Thank you. ^^
Can we all just agree that Ian Flynn is great?
I've gone back and forth on the Archie comics for a long time, but I've always enjoyed the comics written by Ian Flynn, it made me pick up the series until around the time it was canceled. I didn't always have the latest comics, but I was starting to catch up.
What an issue to start with. I don't recall the actual plot of this arc too well, but I remember that the art-style for this issue is rather infamous due to it being associated with the most hated issue in the series.
Have you read the Archie's Knuckles the Echidna comics? Those are even weirder (of course, if you don't start from the beginning)
This is why I focus on the games
I tried to keep up through back issues and the ever-reliable Archives collections, but my Archie Sonic knowledge likewise tops out somewhere around the early 100s. That being said, I found this to be a great jumping-on issue. All you need to know about the current status quo is explained in this issue: Robotnik has Angel Island in his clutches, Sonic and co. are licking their wounds and taking stock of their situation. The art style is a bit strange for the period and it took me a while to remember that Uncle Chuck (Sir Charles) ran a chili dog diner, but otherwise, this is shockingly approachable.
Also, the cheesy melodramatic moments, such as Charmy's village being torn apart by evil forces, were always par for the course with Archie Sonic, particularly after issue 50, the concluding moments of the "Endgame" storyline. I found it quite impressive that Ken Penders, Ian Flynn, and the rest were able to take a whole menagerie of strange characters and concepts, make serious storylines with all of them that stayed true to the franchise's roots, and that, for the most part, could hold together over an insanely long stretch of issues. I've heard people compare Archie Sonic to Kurt Busiek's Avengers run from around the same time this issue originally came out in terms of drama and tension. I'm inclined to agree with them; it's some of the best stuff I've ever read in comics.
Hey, one of my personal favorite arcs. Always did like the artstyle in these ones. Even though admittedly I'm in the minority. The pre-reboot comics became complicated really fast. So you would need to read the earlier issues (and the knuckles comics) to understand what's really going on. There is a ton of focus on knuckles in the pre-reboot comics so it makes this arc all the more difficult to just pick up and read out of nowhere.
I appreciate the fact that I have read this comic so I know what's going on.....in this specific issue.
thank ken penders he did some really werid stuff with knuckles and his lore
Yh the archie comics before the reboot was a wild West when it comes to story telling for this franchise, since I think sega just allowed different writers to experiment with the characters rather than actually setting a path for them to follow, hence why ken penders along with the others implemented such obscure content. This is why the comics after the reboot were much better since they actually followed a route that helped to define the characters for who thay are rather than just allowing writers to do what ever they want, although some of the rules on sega side should be amended since they are not really needed.
138 was actually my first sonic comic and my favorite...the cover...the prologue and John Grays amazing art style
I only have read some chapters of the Sonic Archie comics to find out whats going on in the Mega Man Archie comics the time they crossed over. Where I left off was seeing tails dad go against the government so tails goes against Sonic who is for the government. I also still have no idea what happened in that crossover...
Btw i don't think these comics are bad! I just think they get too "edgy" and sometimes become confusing
Honestly, if you want a better spot to start with the Archie Sonic series, start with when Ian Flynn was given the reins. He ditches the love triangle crap real quick and does a much better job at characterizing everyone with Tracy Yardley! at his side making everyone visually fit into the Sonic universe much more seamlessly. If you don't want any story baggage and don't want to sit through Ian Flynn finding his groove you could start with the post-Super Genesis Wave issues, but the time in between Ian Flynn entering the picture and the large-scale retcon event taking place holds some of my all-time favourite moments in the comics as a whole that got me either genuinely laughing or shedding a tear.
Though I will admit, the whole Iron Kingdom arc is a real slog save for some cool moments, and the whole sub-plot with Tails' parents still confuses me to no end.
This was great
In the archie comics before the reboot, Charmy was 16 years old, but Sega wanted them to make Charmy act like his game counterpart
Shouldn’t the title be “The Archie Sonic Comics WERE Weird”?
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You should look at the Sonic and Megaman crossover comic to see how much better things have gotten after the reboot
They probably had to kill and then bring back knuckles so they could scale down his god-like powerlevel from his spinoff series.
*shakes fist in the air* ken penders......
If you want to read Archie Sonic, start from issue 160 (the beginning of the Ian Flynn run) and go from there.
That’s Sonic’s mother Bernadette.
Hey maybe you can do the same thing with savage dragon, it's a pretty fun comic
It makes (somewhat) sense when you read it from start to finish. But if you jump in in the middle, it's to be expected that you are lost.
Unlike the games which tell different, almost self-contained stories, Archie Sonic is one cohesive story which relys more and more on its past the more you move foward in said story.
as someone who's read every issue, I don't blame you for having this reaction..too much has happened. Good thing you didn't read the wedding issue....
These Comics have always been weird 😂
its funny how fecking charmy looks so serious then knuckles just has goofy ass happy eyes
As others have said there are a lot of things that will be explained if you read the comics (and considering you only read the first 40... yeah this is 138 and that's like OVER EIGHT YEARS of time lapse so of course things are going to be different unless you're doing a pure comedy zany mad cap hijinks with no continutiy whatsoever to it) though I should point out one thing: The reason Charmy is serious here is because his whole "being a prince" backstory was something that was fleshed out In Knuckles comics 13-15 aka "The Chaotix Caper" which was posted back in 1998. See the Chaotix in the Knuckles comics and I guess honestly until the post reboot continuity were Knuckles supporting character and since they were around since the Knuckles Chaotix special from 1995, obviously were given personalities and stories LONGGGGGGGGGGGG before Sonic Heroes in 2004 revamped how the Chaotix act and operate. And it was Sonic Heroes that reintroduced Charmy into the games continuity and gave him a personality (which he didn't have in Sonic Chaotix obviously) of being a goofy obnoxious spastic kid. But that was not his personality in the comics at all... well until like Ian Flynn felt "eh I want to make Charmy more like he is in the games" for whatever reason and had his mind zapped and destroyed a lot of his intelligence in 176 to make him more of a random goof like he was in the games even though again he hadn't been like that in the comcis. But the point is you're suppose to take Charmy seriously here because he's not a stupid silly character. Honestly of the characters in the Chaotix the only one that fully fits that is Vector in the comics and he has a whole thing that uh not going to really get into here put point is there's a reason the comics are structured this way and why everyone acts a certain was as well.
But that's just from a super sonic comics fan and honestly I like people who either haven't read the comics in awhile or don't know at all offering outsider "wait what's happening" interrpreations of the material like you or the Game Grumps.