You know, as someone who read these comics and actually already understands the context for some things, like why Knuckles lost his ability to glide and why echidnas are worshipping him as the "Avatar", it's actually kind funny listening to someone without any of that context. It really shows how weird these comics really are
He WAS the last of his kind until he wasn't and then was again when they started setting up the reboot. Look, that reboot arc gave no fucks about that "25 years later" shit, and we were better off for it. Trust me.
Ah yes, the dark ages of the Sonic Archie comics. Trust me, the comics get MUCH better once Ian Flynn comes in the picture. This is Iike the 90s Spider-Man comics where they were really weird and admitably bad.
MetaKnuxXbeats imo the comics got worse when Ian took over it was shock value, plot mcguffins and deus ex machinas and then he just did a adaptation of the games because he had no idea which direction to take the comics in
I don't think they're 90s Spider-Man bad but yeah during the phase where Bollers was writing stuff and everything had this weird anime styling to them was just the worst point of the series. Ian came in and basically saved the comic.. Everyone seems to forget Ian started writing at issue 160, when the comic REALLY picked up and revitalized, not just after the reboot when pacing fell through. Fair reminder that's also when Evil-Sonic was revitalized and reinvented as Scourge.
6:16 A Dingo is an Australian native animal which look like dogs. They’re most famously known for kidnaping a child in like the 80s. I’m not joking. Australia everybody
also ken penders wanted to make a series about knuckles so he brought enchiladas back and all of them had knuckles' design but with either clothes, hair, or in some cases different colors; so penders was the first one to make recolor ocs and make them cannon
Victory Amazing In the games Yes but in the comics before the reboot there was other echidnas that was still alive even Knuckles Father and Mother and soon to be Younger Brother
The whole 20 years thing is something they tried to make into it's own thing, but naturally nobody liked it for obvious reasons so they dropped it. Funny enough, Ian (Or maybe it was someone else) picked it up again in the future. Not gonna say it was something amazing, but they did fix alot of problems. In the end they cut "20 years later" from the main series and changed it to another universe. As for echidna's. Since most of them didn't serve a purpose and were just Knuckles clones, Ian got rid of them. As for Juli su... I want to say she's an interesting character, but... Not really. Most of the time writers don't know where to put her. I'm really looking forward to you reading about Scourge. Most of the people who didn't read the comic think he's just green Sonic, but he's one of the most well developed characters in Sonic universe in general.
Um...no. People did like it. The comic just became plague to game canon extremists...Like you,praising Potto the Pēðơ for his mass murders and overall destruction that wasn't from your beloved games. Ah yes,you mean when he ruined Sonic & Sally's relationship by sticking a chipmunk woman in her late 20s-early 30s with a 16 year old whom has constant memory loss & a creepy obsession with blonde haired girls who have names that start with M. Not only that,but he killed their children before trying to excuse it by saying they can just have new kids with the same names. What a great guy Potto the Pēðōpħîľē is. Um...they did serve a purpose...multiple purposes actually in the form of world-building,lore,& actually making Knuckles independent from the main FF storyline. Also,if keeping a species to defined colors in order to prevent recoloring makes them all "Knuckles clones," then I'm the fűçķîńĝ pope. Furthermore,what problems do you have with Julie-Su? She has a great dynamic with Knuckles,is technically inclined,& isn't annoying like most of anyone from the games. If by "well-developed," you mean being made into some crybaby who has daddy issues for anything past 159,then yeah,he was "well-developed."
Mannnnn the Pre Archie was pretty off and I love it, also with the My dinner with Sonic Sonic is suffering from a midlife crise and depressing and He kinda lash out on Knuckle and Tails and That wasn't Sally who as hugging tails at the end that their daughter Sonia(Yes they name their girl that)
Victory Amazing They come back in the 30 years arc and instead of a age gap they come back as twins and they are cute,hyper and run really fast like their father
Sonic being a king and having a girlfriend is so out of character. He's the last man on Earth that would be interested in a relationship. P.S. I love these videos! They're very funny!
piszisky i always interpreted Sonic's avoidance of romance interesting. Heres why. Because the only character hes had a relationship like that with is Amy. And Amy in the videogame universe is like a crazy fangirl. So, Sonic is understandably put off by her. But it wouldnt be out of character for him to love anyone. If anything, Sonic avoiding things shows his fear. He is afraid of love and water. Being a king however, makes absolutely no sense. Sonic is more like a lawful anarchist. He doesnt care about authority. In SA2's theme for Sonic it says it doesnt matter who is wrong or who is right He trusts on his own intuition
piszisky yeah i can see what ur saying but i wished he was more developed in the games. The games treat him like a mascot... a marketing tool which he kinda is, but cmon sega
I totally agree with you! But if he is afraid of love, then loving someone would be out of character, right? I mean, like you said, he's also afraid of water and that's why he can't swim. I don't understand why that logic doesn't apply to romance as well?
Sonic the comic wasn't as bad as this. their may have been weird moments but the whole thing wasn't weird. although I didn't like that Chaos was a alien fish that got mutated by chaos energy.
Dingoes are a real species, Sonic 3 & Knuckles all takes place on Angel Island but in Adventure only Ice Cap takes place on Angel Island, and that's Sally's kid hugging Tails at the end there, Sally is hugging his wife
4:35 to answer your question, Ken Penders’ writing is the reason why Echidnas were so prevalent in the Pre SGW continuity of the Archie comics. They (thankfully) had to retcon everything with the Super Genesis Wave (SGW) (which happened at the end of the first of two crossovers with the Archie Mega Man comic book series) because Ken Penders sued Archie after he left them because they were still using his characters & concepts that he made *for* the Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series *in said comic book series.* Basically, blame Ken Penders’ writing with *at least* 50% of the f^^^ed up s^^^ in the Pre SGW continuity & Ken Penders’ lawsuit against Archie for the Super Genesis Wave that retconned everything. Another Fact About Ken Penders: Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood will probably *never* get a sequel because Ken Penders sued Sega for using some of his concepts that he made *for* the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics which were in turn made *for Sega.* Again, this was *after* he left Archie. Yet Another Fact About Ken Penders: Before he left Archie, he was the *only person* who had *every non-editorial role* in the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series.
Blame Ken Penders for all of this badness in the comic. Thank god later in the comic's run it actually gotten a reboot, and erase all of this nonesense from the timeline. DO MORE, I WILL LOVE TO HEAR YOUR REACTION OF SCOURGE THE HEDGEHOG LOL!
What are you talking about? The reboot made things worse. The comics did admittedly get better a couple years after this issue released, but again. The comics were at there best before the reboot. Even then, the weird stuff this guy brings up isn't really that weird at all.
The reboot didn't made things worse, it honestly brought the comic back into good quality again. No more of this sappy edgy soap opera bullcrap, that the comic was trying to tell. I'm just happy we gotten rid all of that when the genesis wave refreshed everything. But that's just my opinion after all.
I think what ruined the Archie comics was trying to add romance and in depth relationships between Sonic and friends. It just got...weird. I mean it's even largely implied that the characters have sex as it leads to the characters having children I mean COME ON! These are supposed to be child friendly characters! Why would they try to imply such disturbing fanfiction service or just outright make it canon with the Comic storyline? Why even make mention of it? We don't need to know about the characters love life or parenthood. All we need is action and good storytelling. If I wanted romance then I'd read a fanfic.
Mike Anthony No, what ruined the Sonic comics was that the characters in the reboot were starting to be written out of character, the main story arc was taking an eternity to finish, and the world was just not interesting anymore. Also, are you saying that because kids exist in sonic, that automatically means there is sexual subtext taking the story? Cream has a mom for crying out loud.
Lloyd Shanahan I agree The reboot was terrible the characters was one dimensional and boring and we lost 90% of Archie Sonic Characters. Making the comics like the games was a horrible idea they should have remade the comics with Ian's characters
You should read some of the comics that were published when Ian Flynn took over. They really became such a high point in the series. That, or you can keep reading these dark age off model comics, but whatevs.
The 25 Years Later side comic world is actually further explored in the four-part 30 Years Later comic series which is actually one of the better Pre Reboot stories because it's set 30 Years into the future, meaning not a lot of research is needed to understand it as it's all explained within its continuity. Those are some comics that I HIGHLY recommend for you to read Knight of the Wind.
The issues you’re covering were just part of the Archie comic’s weird phase: The issues weren’t bad in my opinion, but a little bizarre at times. Things pick up pretty soon and get much better.
You know when i said that they had the perfect opportunity to make a show based on archie sonic? yeah when i meant by that I was talking about that they could have started with the genesis wave comic. and by the way thats not sally hugging tails, that was her daughter and the sonic with the busted teeth is her son. and yes the art style is pretty weird im not even gonna lie.
Mitchell Hancock That's perfectly fine, in fact, making each child the species of one parent is a good idea and much better than designing weird mixed species. But that's not an excuse for not designing them at all. They could have at least made them a little different or make the squirrel a boy nd the hedgehog a girl, but instead they copied and pasted young Sonic and Sally.
Dude Ken Penders Archie is weird but as I said in your last video’s comments you should totally compare this to Ian Flynn’s comics after the Mega Man crossover. Really want to see if you think he did a better job portraying the series
If you ever want to try actually getting into these I'd suggest starting around 160 when Ian Flynn takes over. It's still a complete mess for awhile because he tries to wrap up a bunch of plot threads at once, get rid of or salvage the worst characters in a semi-respectful manner for all two fans they may have had, and just make the whole thing a little less batshit and closer to the games while still being more developed. But if you stick through the initial shock and confusion it gets better eventually. Especially in terms of character interactions and side characters like Amy and Silver actually getting time in the spotlight and being useful.
Everything in Sonic 3 & Knuckles was on Angel Island. As for Sonic Adventure, only a small part of Mystic Ruins was on Angel Island, which included the levels Ice Cap and Red Mountain.
Sonic Hedgehog AKA Linguine , Good.. The more it's erased, the less that most of us have to suffer. (I say *most* because some people actually like this apparently..)
*+Victory Amazing* Yeeeep... XD Though I'd be lying if I said all this strange stuff didn't come off as weirdly charming to me. I mean, you wouldn't expect all this stuff to be in Sonic and there's a sort of novelty to that I think; It's still bad, but it's also fascinating to me, if that makes any sense.
Sonic Hedgehog AKA Linguine , Na, there's truly no shame in that, my comment was made for laughs really. 😅 I guess I can see where you're coming from. I don't mind Sonic being a little dark sometimes, but when it's like this it's just unnecessary, but at the same time hilarious. So in other words I can relate-issssh..
Tails is hugging Sally's daughter Sonia if you look closer Sally is in the back hugging Mina. I will love to see a video of your opinion about IDW Sonic comics too!
There are so many problems with the Penders era in how he writes Sonic. Sonic wouldn't want to settle down, he's a carefree soul who does whatever he wants (they established this well on the IDW comics, Amy even acepted that she couldn't change Sonic and didn't want to, something this Sally wouldn't say). Even less would Sonic be a king. That's not the kind of responsability he would want (you can say he grew up and it's character development but there's a difference between that and changing the character completly) Also he wouldn't abandon his friends, specially not Tails. They are like siblings.
thanks, Sonic and Sally being good friends like Sonic and Tails, they can still poke fun at each other and but also learn from each other, but Sally would not change his personality of who he is, and in the reboot, She supports Amy loving Sonic, even though she finds it funny ad cute to see Sonic run from Amy.
Yeah, dingoes are a real animal, wild dogs from Australia, or as the Sonic comic calls it, Downunda (awesome pun, BTW). That's one aspect of Archie Sonic I kind of admire, that the Mobian population is much larger than just our main cast. We get to see animals from every corner of the globe and protecting specific regions. The African outposts have elephant and giraffe Freedom Fighters, penguins, seals, and caribou at the poles, dingoes, kangaroos, and koalas in Downunda, etc. It's sort of the same idea Sonic Unleashed explored, just with more cute animal heroes.
I think u over analyze these comics sometimes but i will admit they do have some weird content sometimes. They take themselves too seriously. Now i appreciate idw even more now
Oh hell I completely forgot M25YL was going on in this issue as the side story, must have blocked it out of my memory. Yeah that's a whole other terrible can of worms, a story that takes place years into the future...but that doesn't exactly pan out for a number of reasons. So yeah I just remembered this issue had two societies and races either enslaved or wiped out, but then again the Echidnas I would have preferred mostly to be extinct for a bunch of reasons, well mainly the Brotherhood. It gets far worse before it gets...not good I'd say, but okay. Again it's such a mess.
Regarding Bunnie's missing robot arm: I seem to remember her being zapped by some kind of de-robotization ray in one of the issues after the "Endgame" storyline, when they were reversing a lot of the old story prompts and consolidating continuity to only the main Sonic comic (Knuckles had his own series where Julie-Su and all the Angel Island weirdness originated; thankfully, Archie put out an Archives line for that, too, so we can all catch up). Bunnie got better, Sally's parents came back, many of the side-dimensions and weird offshoot character families were shelved for a time. It was kinda nice to have a simpler, more straightforward story going on, but at the same time, half the fun of Archie Sonic was having a bunch of different plot threads across the world to incite multilayered conflicts. With most of those gone, it lost a bit of luster in my eyes.
Benjamin Kellog Nope, she wasn't deroboticized, at least not until 100+ issues after this comic. That's just a coloring error, something very prevalent during this era.
Lol. I don't read these and even I know what he means by "true blue" and "rad red". Pretty implied by the sentence he means Sonic and Knuckles. Of course if I'm wrong that's a whole 'nother thing
You know, it's weird to think how as an Archie fan these are things I just took for granted, and then you realise that someone with zero outside experience has no perspective on the stuff before and it's obviously going to be super-jarring. Like, even something as small as Espio's tongue attack is something that's just taken as is in that era (since Espio was only just changed to his Heroes look this issue after spending 8 years in classic form, and he did use his tongue in Sonic the Fighters so it was a classic thing) , but you're quite right in saying that modern Espio has never used it (and Generations pretty much confirms he doesn't), so it's something that comes off as wrong without prior perspective.
Ken Penders was not the best of influences on the production of these comics, Lol! Things did improve with the comic later on. But if it helps make sense of any of this, a Dingo is a type of Australian wild dog, in 25 Years Later Sonic doesn’t travel(and other things) because he’s having a mid-life crisis, Knuckles did get his abilities back, Tails is hugging Sonia who is Sally’s daughter.......aaaaaand Remington is a guy. XD
9:40 Who is that autistic looking sonic in the background? Oh wait...ohhhh it's his son, isn't it? Oh god, that's just..wow. I feel bad for Sonic having to raise a kid like... that.
Am I the only one who really enjoyed sally as a character? Sure she did some dumb things but she is still one of my all time favorite characters. U rippen on my childhood
The fact that there are people who believes that Ian Flynn ruined the comics from by going away from *this* standard to the new standard is disturbing.
To answer your question, Dingoes are Australian wild dogs. In some way since Echidnas are also Australian, the whole “rivalry” kind of, and I mean KIND OF makes sense.
It’s Ken Penders fault! This is WHY he was fired from making the sonic comics, after he was fired the comic were sooo much better and the art was amazing
Like I said last video Ken Penders got control over the series and used his shitty stories and OCs on these issues untill he finally got fired and Ian Flynn took over at issue 160 and Tracy yardley can make the artwork amazing looking not like a pile of shit like this issue
Don't get me wrong but I know you're trying to prove a point that's it's weird and hard to get into if you start practically 100 issues in, yes that's including the spin off comics and Super Specials. But I do find it a little insensitive that you do poke fun at the Archie series "especially since you're literally talking about the dark age of the comics, I did get a chuckle here and there but issues 25-50 were the best of the Ken Penders run then that's when things got weird. Once Ian Flynn started sonic quickly returned to form and yes Twenty years later is the strangest you'll ever get. Don't take it the wrong way I'm just giving constructive criticism..... I have a feeling that you won't read this. That's fine too, I just hope the people who will find the time to read and understand where I'm coming from here.
I found this issue to be interesting and I could appreciate that the art and coloring was well done. Worst Archie sonic issues return of the king and battle royle, catakiller is coming is really terrible too.
The more you read, the more I hate it. I know they take characters in a different way... but I can't take them seriously. Hell, I'm more a fan of 06 Sonic than this one.
Close enough, though they are closer to wolves and are capable of eating humans. Just recently one stole a woman's bag and lead her towards it's pack and they chewed her arms and legs to the bone!
To be fair if you start any story in the middle it will for sure give you a headache trying to figure out top from bottom. Personally I think it might help if you look up issues around 20-30 and the Knuckles spin off. I stopped following the comic after Sega tried to fuse the Sonic Adventure story line into the series because I finished playing the game and at the time I thought to myself I already know the ending but just told slightly differently so I stopped the subscriptions. Years later I found out it was still going so I took a look and started getting invested in some of the 175- 243 chapters. Then things got harshly out of track after 244 and finally I got annoyed with the Mega Man cross over and skipped chapters only to see a massive reboot which destroyed most of what I remember including my favorite parts.
I saw the thumbnail from faraway before I clicked it I thought tails was rubbing some jar but then I saw it was a baby and screamed AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH WTF IS THIS?!
Okay, the archie comics are so goofy that it might be worth making even more videos about them with that voice acting of yours. I didn't think Sonic would take itself so seriously even outside of the games but here we are, and it's like cmon they're cartoon animals they shouldn't be dealing with this kind of heaviness. I believe Dingoes are a type of Australian dog. Usually they're wild, but yeah that's what dingoes are. Side note: Dingoes IRL look adorable to me. Yeah I think you drifted off. They explored lava reef because they tracked the transmission's origin point earlier in the same comic, and sonic was responding to Knucks in that "to be continued" page. Can't wait to see more of this sonic furry comic chaos.
Geez man. A dingo is a canine species that's basically the Australian equivalent of a coyote/wolf. Anyway the artstyle is cute here. And penders really loved writing stuff about echidnas... so they had a clusterfuck of a backstory since anythign sonic related was a void with little to no story to it. Frankly i'm baffled they got so far in making something so elaborate you basically have no chance of understanding unless you read almost everything and have an eidetic memory to boot.
Nate Carter eh true, which is in a way why i'm glad they rebooted it with the genesis wave due to the old contanity being flaustring and with the IDW reboot which made things easier for fans who wasn't born with the comics (like me due to the fact i came in some time after the post-genesis wave. And went backwards and forwards to know about the series.)
Never realized until just now that the comics basically had an echidna holocaust and it's pretty much swept under the rug a few issues later.
You know, as someone who read these comics and actually already understands the context for some things, like why Knuckles lost his ability to glide and why echidnas are worshipping him as the "Avatar", it's actually kind funny listening to someone without any of that context. It really shows how weird these comics really are
The reason Echidnas are so prevalent is because you're reading the earlier Ken Penders era where he had an Echidna addiction.
"...where he had an Echidna addiction."
Isn't that how Penders usually is?
GStoneForce001 Yes.
Nathaniel Grizzle , I thought Knuckles was the last of his kind.. Was he? I'm a little confused, sorry.
He WAS the last of his kind until he wasn't and then was again when they started setting up the reboot. Look, that reboot arc gave no fucks about that "25 years later" shit, and we were better off for it. Trust me.
Victory Amazing He is in the game canon
Dingoes are actual animals
KitKat yeah i was going to say that but i didnt want to seem like a douche lol
and they even from australia too
I’m surprised he doesn’t know what a dingo is.
Lolol
That was actually annoying me. If he had simply researched a bit, he would have seen that they are real.
"What is he, a fox?"
Dude..... a dingo is like a wolf, part of the canine family. Look them up they're pretty cool.
Dingoes are feral dogs actually.
Are they related to didongos?
Oh, that weird-ass era when the female anthro characters were drawn like sexualized humans.
Friend. I'm not sure if it was him. There was another artist that did that.
*+Friend.* He did draw occasionally but as far as I'm aware it wasn't often.
Sonic Hedgehog AKA Linguine Maybe Ken told the artist to portray it as such.
How many drugs did it take to make this?
zach duperron
All of them
Actually, Espio DOES use his tongue to attack in Sonic the Fighters
(It's still pretty weird to see Modern Espio doing that :p )
Quality voice acting
Ah yes, the dark ages of the Sonic Archie comics. Trust me, the comics get MUCH better once Ian Flynn comes in the picture. This is Iike the 90s Spider-Man comics where they were really weird and admitably bad.
MetaKnuxXbeats imo the comics got worse when Ian took over it was shock value, plot mcguffins and deus ex machinas and then he just did a adaptation of the games because he had no idea which direction to take the comics in
New Dawn Horizon I honestly had fun with Ian’s run with the series. It’s cool to have different opinions.
Who was the writer for these? Was it the guy who left and took all his characters? Cuz it seems like the echidna characters are all over this
I don't think they're 90s Spider-Man bad but yeah during the phase where Bollers was writing stuff and everything had this weird anime styling to them was just the worst point of the series. Ian came in and basically saved the comic.. Everyone seems to forget Ian started writing at issue 160, when the comic REALLY picked up and revitalized, not just after the reboot when pacing fell through. Fair reminder that's also when Evil-Sonic was revitalized and reinvented as Scourge.
Verseal you are referring to.... Ken Penders.... Yea, not a fan of him
6:16
A Dingo is an Australian native animal which look like dogs. They’re most famously known for kidnaping a child in like the 80s. I’m not joking. Australia everybody
They also eat echidna.
@@Mailed-Knight then knuckles is screwed
The archie sonic comics are so weird but Flynn made it less weird and enjoyable anyway I'm glad IDW took over also lol
Flynn almost pushed for a fucking yuri couple and the reboot was just mediocre.
And IDW Sonic sucks balls lol
D Heine Sally X Nicole. Also he wanted Rotor to be gay.
AxelandZaneReborn IDW is meh but I kinda of agree with you
The Den you serious
also ken penders wanted to make a series about knuckles so he brought enchiladas back and all of them had knuckles' design but with either clothes, hair, or in some cases different colors; so penders was the first one to make recolor ocs and make them cannon
Wow, when you put like that...I guess you're right.
Greasy Brick, So Knuckles was the last of his kind, right? (I'm talking from the games point of view)
Victory Amazing In the games Yes but in the comics before the reboot there was other echidnas that was still alive even Knuckles Father and Mother and soon to be Younger Brother
Then they removed the entire species in the span of an issue, making Knuckles the last of his kind in the comics.
The whole 20 years thing is something they tried to make into it's own thing, but naturally nobody liked it for obvious reasons so they dropped it.
Funny enough, Ian (Or maybe it was someone else) picked it up again in the future. Not gonna say it was something amazing, but they did fix alot of problems. In the end they cut "20 years later" from the main series and changed it to another universe.
As for echidna's. Since most of them didn't serve a purpose and were just Knuckles clones, Ian got rid of them. As for Juli su...
I want to say she's an interesting character, but... Not really. Most of the time writers don't know where to put her.
I'm really looking forward to you reading about Scourge. Most of the people who didn't read the comic think he's just green Sonic, but he's one of the most well developed characters in Sonic universe in general.
Kinda wished the Suppression Squad got some real character development, what we did get of them was cool. Especially the Evil Tails.
Um...no. People did like it. The comic just became plague to game canon extremists...Like you,praising Potto the Pēðơ for his mass murders and overall destruction that wasn't from your beloved games.
Ah yes,you mean when he ruined Sonic & Sally's relationship by sticking a chipmunk woman in her late 20s-early 30s with a 16 year old whom has constant memory loss & a creepy obsession with blonde haired girls who have names that start with M. Not only that,but he killed their children before trying to excuse it by saying they can just have new kids with the same names. What a great guy Potto the Pēðōpħîľē is.
Um...they did serve a purpose...multiple purposes actually in the form of world-building,lore,& actually making Knuckles independent from the main FF storyline. Also,if keeping a species to defined colors in order to prevent recoloring makes them all "Knuckles clones," then I'm the fűçķîńĝ pope. Furthermore,what problems do you have with Julie-Su? She has a great dynamic with Knuckles,is technically inclined,& isn't annoying like most of anyone from the games.
If by "well-developed," you mean being made into some crybaby who has daddy issues for anything past 159,then yeah,he was "well-developed."
That thumbnail lol
Mannnnn the Pre Archie was pretty off and I love it, also with the My dinner with Sonic Sonic is suffering from a midlife crise and depressing and He kinda lash out on Knuckle and Tails and That wasn't Sally who as hugging tails at the end that their daughter Sonia(Yes they name their girl that)
August Rollins , Did Sonic name her that or?... 😂
Victory Amazing Yes they did and their son is named Manik XD
August Rollins , Oh wow! 😂😂
Victory Amazing They come back in the 30 years arc and instead of a age gap they come back as twins and they are cute,hyper and run really fast like their father
August Rollins , That actually sounds really cool.
Man, I am so glad we have the IDW comics which do a much better job of fitting within what we expect of Sonic.
DarkSonic180 Found the child.
DarkSonic180 Are you really getting upset over a comment I made about a comic? Are you alright?
Sonic being a king and having a girlfriend is so out of character. He's the last man on Earth that would be interested in a relationship.
P.S. I love these videos! They're very funny!
this isn't the videogames this is a different version of the character and this version is more developed
If "more developed" means "not Sonic" then yeah, this version is more developed.
piszisky i always interpreted Sonic's avoidance of romance interesting.
Heres why. Because the only character hes had a relationship like that with is Amy. And Amy in the videogame universe is like a crazy fangirl. So, Sonic is understandably put off by her. But it wouldnt be out of character for him to love anyone. If anything, Sonic avoiding things shows his fear. He is afraid of love and water.
Being a king however, makes absolutely no sense. Sonic is more like a lawful anarchist. He doesnt care about authority.
In SA2's theme for Sonic it says it doesnt matter who is wrong or who is right
He trusts on his own intuition
piszisky yeah i can see what ur saying but i wished he was more developed in the games. The games treat him like a mascot... a marketing tool which he kinda is, but cmon sega
I totally agree with you!
But if he is afraid of love, then loving someone would be out of character, right? I mean, like you said, he's also afraid of water and that's why he can't swim. I don't understand why that logic doesn't apply to romance as well?
If you thought archie sonic was weird, sonic the comic is EVEN weirder
They're equally weird I think.
Sonic 3 & knuckles hahaha that is bizarre asf
Sonic the comic wasn't as bad as this. their may have been weird moments but the whole thing wasn't weird. although I didn't like that Chaos was a alien fish that got mutated by chaos energy.
The Real Me it's not bad but they're equally weird although I prefer Fleet away personality
Dingoes are a real species, Sonic 3 & Knuckles all takes place on Angel Island but in Adventure only Ice Cap takes place on Angel Island, and that's Sally's kid hugging Tails at the end there, Sally is hugging his wife
4:35 to answer your question, Ken Penders’ writing is the reason why Echidnas were so prevalent in the Pre SGW continuity of the Archie comics.
They (thankfully) had to retcon everything with the Super Genesis Wave (SGW) (which happened at the end of the first of two crossovers with the Archie Mega Man comic book series) because Ken Penders sued Archie after he left them because they were still using his characters & concepts that he made *for* the Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series *in said comic book series.*
Basically, blame Ken Penders’ writing with *at least* 50% of the f^^^ed up s^^^ in the Pre SGW continuity & Ken Penders’ lawsuit against Archie for the Super Genesis Wave that retconned everything.
Another Fact About Ken Penders: Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood will probably *never* get a sequel because Ken Penders sued Sega for using some of his concepts that he made *for* the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics which were in turn made *for Sega.* Again, this was *after* he left Archie.
Yet Another Fact About Ken Penders: Before he left Archie, he
was the *only person* who had *every non-editorial role* in the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series.
But Scourge was also destroyed.
I'll deal with Echidnas if Scourge was still able to be alive.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
It was honestly better. But I miss sonic’s parents! JULES!
Blame Ken Penders for all of this badness in the comic.
Thank god later in the comic's run it actually gotten a reboot, and erase all of this nonesense from the timeline.
DO MORE, I WILL LOVE TO HEAR YOUR REACTION OF SCOURGE THE HEDGEHOG LOL!
What are you talking about? The reboot made things worse.
The comics did admittedly get better a couple years after this issue released, but again. The comics were at there best before the reboot.
Even then, the weird stuff this guy brings up isn't really that weird at all.
The reboot didn't made things worse, it honestly brought the comic back into good quality again.
No more of this sappy edgy soap opera bullcrap, that the comic was trying to tell. I'm just happy we gotten rid all of that when the genesis wave refreshed everything.
But that's just my opinion after all.
I think what ruined the Archie comics was trying to add romance and in depth relationships between Sonic and friends. It just got...weird. I mean it's even largely implied that the characters have sex as it leads to the characters having children I mean COME ON! These are supposed to be child friendly characters! Why would they try to imply such disturbing fanfiction service or just outright make it canon with the Comic storyline? Why even make mention of it? We don't need to know about the characters love life or parenthood. All we need is action and good storytelling. If I wanted romance then I'd read a fanfic.
Mike Anthony
No, what ruined the Sonic comics was that the characters in the reboot were starting to be written out of character, the main story arc was taking an eternity to finish, and the world was just not interesting anymore.
Also, are you saying that because kids exist in sonic, that automatically means there is sexual subtext taking the story? Cream has a mom for crying out loud.
Lloyd Shanahan I agree The reboot was terrible the characters was one dimensional and boring and we lost 90% of Archie Sonic Characters. Making the comics like the games was a horrible idea they should have remade the comics with Ian's characters
You should read some of the comics that were published when Ian Flynn took over. They really became such a high point in the series.
That, or you can keep reading these dark age off model comics, but whatevs.
The 25 Years Later side comic world is actually further explored in the four-part 30 Years Later comic series which is actually one of the better Pre Reboot stories because it's set 30 Years into the future, meaning not a lot of research is needed to understand it as it's all explained within its continuity. Those are some comics that I HIGHLY recommend for you to read Knight of the Wind.
Flash Sentry
They still got Shadow completly wrong in that comic.
The issues you’re covering were just part of the Archie comic’s weird phase: The issues weren’t bad in my opinion, but a little bizarre at times. Things pick up pretty soon and get much better.
You know when i said that they had the perfect opportunity to make a show based on archie sonic?
yeah when i meant by that I was talking about that they could have started with the genesis wave comic.
and by the way thats not sally hugging tails, that was her daughter and the sonic with the busted teeth is her son.
and yes the art style is pretty weird im not even gonna lie.
cheese Z , Agreed.. Not a fan of the art style...
cheese Z It's not his fault that Penders won't even bother to design Sonic and Sally's children and instead just copied and pasted the young versions.
I heard from somewhere that the gender sometimes determined what species the child would be.
Mitchell Hancock
That's perfectly fine, in fact, making each child the species of one parent is a good idea and much better than designing weird mixed species.
But that's not an excuse for not designing them at all. They could have at least made them a little different or make the squirrel a boy nd the hedgehog a girl, but instead they copied and pasted young Sonic and Sally.
Dude Ken Penders Archie is weird but as I said in your last video’s comments you should totally compare this to Ian Flynn’s comics after the Mega Man crossover. Really want to see if you think he did a better job portraying the series
1:30 He's wearing the shovel claw upgrade from the Adventure games.
Also, at 10:49 that's not Sally. That's her and Sonic's daughter Sonia Acorn. Behind her is her brother Manik. Sally is up there hugging Mina.
Archie literally shaped furry mindsets, not even kidding, lmao
It's kinda true when you think about it.
Deathcoldan I’m a furry
arbereshe do you even know me?
@arbereshe don't think anyone likes you either if you go saying that to random people you barely know
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario honestly it kinda pisses me off that everyone sees all furries as a group of creepy pedos and shit
If you ever want to try actually getting into these I'd suggest starting around 160 when Ian Flynn takes over. It's still a complete mess for awhile because he tries to wrap up a bunch of plot threads at once, get rid of or salvage the worst characters in a semi-respectful manner for all two fans they may have had, and just make the whole thing a little less batshit and closer to the games while still being more developed. But if you stick through the initial shock and confusion it gets better eventually. Especially in terms of character interactions and side characters like Amy and Silver actually getting time in the spotlight and being useful.
lol, Espio does do that. He used his tongue as a weapon in Sonic The Fighters.
Everything in Sonic 3 & Knuckles was on Angel Island. As for Sonic Adventure, only a small part of Mystic Ruins was on Angel Island, which included the levels Ice Cap and Red Mountain.
You say you're glad that IDW took over, because all of that got erased, but Archie ALREADY had erased it themselves with their own timeline reset, lol
Sonic Hedgehog AKA Linguine ERASECEPTION
Sonic Hedgehog AKA Linguine , Good.. The more it's erased, the less that most of us have to suffer.
(I say *most* because some people actually like this apparently..)
*+Victory Amazing* Yeeeep... XD Though I'd be lying if I said all this strange stuff didn't come off as weirdly charming to me. I mean, you wouldn't expect all this stuff to be in Sonic and there's a sort of novelty to that I think; It's still bad, but it's also fascinating to me, if that makes any sense.
Sonic Hedgehog AKA Linguine , Na, there's truly no shame in that, my comment was made for laughs really. 😅
I guess I can see where you're coming from. I don't mind Sonic being a little dark sometimes, but when it's like this it's just unnecessary, but at the same time hilarious.
So in other words I can relate-issssh..
Jaylan Clay they had to kill it deader
Tails is hugging Sally's daughter Sonia if you look closer Sally is in the back hugging Mina.
I will love to see a video of your opinion about IDW Sonic comics too!
Wow those realistic bodies if I didn't know better I would think this was the start of a sonic henta1
I'm calling it: the comics will be so weird, they'll bring Bubsy into the mix.
Bubsy?
*TRIGGERED*
I love the Asteroid Coast map theme. Definitely my favorite Sonic Colors theme.
Your dramatic readings never fail to make me laugh😂Awesome video my dude!
He used his tounge in sonic the Fighters
Blue Wind man now I want honey the cat in the main series
Oh god, the mobius 25 years later side story....
The prime definition of taking your fan fiction too far.
There are so many problems with the Penders era in how he writes Sonic.
Sonic wouldn't want to settle down, he's a carefree soul who does whatever he wants (they established this well on the IDW comics, Amy even acepted that she couldn't change Sonic and didn't want to, something this Sally wouldn't say). Even less would Sonic be a king. That's not the kind of responsability he would want (you can say he grew up and it's character development but there's a difference between that and changing the character completly)
Also he wouldn't abandon his friends, specially not Tails. They are like siblings.
A dingo is an Australian native wild dog. They are native to the out back and behave similarly to wolves.
Mpdacey , Oh they're from Australia, I thought they were from Africa... My bad.. 😓
They also eat echidna.
Curse you Ken pender!!!!!!
Dude, you gotta continue with these. Your reaction is pure gold.
That's Sally's daughter Sonia Acorn
thanks, Sonic and Sally being good friends like Sonic and Tails, they can still poke fun at each other and but also learn from each other, but Sally would not change his personality of who he is, and in the reboot, She supports Amy loving Sonic, even though she finds it funny ad cute to see Sonic run from Amy.
Trying to see if I still got it
Trying to see if I still got it
Yeah, dingoes are a real animal, wild dogs from Australia, or as the Sonic comic calls it, Downunda (awesome pun, BTW). That's one aspect of Archie Sonic I kind of admire, that the Mobian population is much larger than just our main cast. We get to see animals from every corner of the globe and protecting specific regions. The African outposts have elephant and giraffe Freedom Fighters, penguins, seals, and caribou at the poles, dingoes, kangaroos, and koalas in Downunda, etc. It's sort of the same idea Sonic Unleashed explored, just with more cute animal heroes.
10:53 That’s Sally’s daughter bro.
Sonia is hugging adult Tails.
Come on man
Remington Is a boy, the art style is just terrible
I thought so.
I'm sorry but, that Sally you mentioned at the end, was actually Sonic's daughter
Someone It is.
A chipmunk and a hedgehog having babies...HOW THE HELL DOES THAT EVEN WORK?
The same way a mongoose and a two tailed fox can have children that are a different species than one of the parents.
Red Rebel
I dont like this.
*_I dont like this at all_*
If you think those are weird, try questioning how an echidna and a crocodile can have a normal echidna offspring.
The person hugging Tails was not Sally that was her daughter Sonia, Sally was hugging Meena in that picture
I mean, yeah... everything in sonic 3 and knuckles is on angel island...
To be fair, when one of the zones in the ancient Angel Island is a big ass circus/casino, you forget the fact that you're still in Angel Island.
@@El_Omar2203 True, true.
I think u over analyze these comics sometimes but i will admit they do have some weird content sometimes. They take themselves too seriously.
Now i appreciate idw even more now
Art style is like my art style at 6 xD
Sonic the Gamer/Sonic215 bitch no it isnt
Same
he is saying that art is pretty bad
Sonic the Gamer/Sonic215 you mean it looks like shit
Chief Sonic it is shit
Oh hell I completely forgot M25YL was going on in this issue as the side story, must have blocked it out of my memory. Yeah that's a whole other terrible can of worms, a story that takes place years into the future...but that doesn't exactly pan out for a number of reasons.
So yeah I just remembered this issue had two societies and races either enslaved or wiped out, but then again the Echidnas I would have preferred mostly to be extinct for a bunch of reasons, well mainly the Brotherhood.
It gets far worse before it gets...not good I'd say, but okay. Again it's such a mess.
Regarding Bunnie's missing robot arm: I seem to remember her being zapped by some kind of de-robotization ray in one of the issues after the "Endgame" storyline, when they were reversing a lot of the old story prompts and consolidating continuity to only the main Sonic comic (Knuckles had his own series where Julie-Su and all the Angel Island weirdness originated; thankfully, Archie put out an Archives line for that, too, so we can all catch up). Bunnie got better, Sally's parents came back, many of the side-dimensions and weird offshoot character families were shelved for a time. It was kinda nice to have a simpler, more straightforward story going on, but at the same time, half the fun of Archie Sonic was having a bunch of different plot threads across the world to incite multilayered conflicts. With most of those gone, it lost a bit of luster in my eyes.
Benjamin Kellog Nope, she wasn't deroboticized, at least not until 100+ issues after this comic. That's just a coloring error, something very prevalent during this era.
Lol. I don't read these and even I know what he means by "true blue" and "rad red". Pretty implied by the sentence he means Sonic and Knuckles.
Of course if I'm wrong that's a whole 'nother thing
If you want a story from this book that's actually GOOD, I suggest issues 175(up to 177) and 200.
You know, it's weird to think how as an Archie fan these are things I just took for granted, and then you realise that someone with zero outside experience has no perspective on the stuff before and it's obviously going to be super-jarring.
Like, even something as small as Espio's tongue attack is something that's just taken as is in that era (since Espio was only just changed to his Heroes look this issue after spending 8 years in classic form, and he did use his tongue in Sonic the Fighters so it was a classic thing) , but you're quite right in saying that modern Espio has never used it (and Generations pretty much confirms he doesn't), so it's something that comes off as wrong without prior perspective.
9:45 sonic? In water? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO SONIC?
Nicolas Pitrakou what
@@tabletaussendienst2721 don't you know that sonic has Hydrophobia?
the more i look at it the more i hate the anime style they had before penders left
Ken Penders was not the best of influences on the production of these comics, Lol! Things did improve with the comic later on. But if it helps make sense of any of this, a Dingo is a type of Australian wild dog, in 25 Years Later Sonic doesn’t travel(and other things) because he’s having a mid-life crisis, Knuckles did get his abilities back, Tails is hugging Sonia who is Sally’s daughter.......aaaaaand Remington is a guy. XD
*Reass thumbnail* ... OH! OH GOD!! OH MY FREAKING GOD, NO!!
9:40
Who is that autistic looking sonic in the background? Oh wait...ohhhh it's his son, isn't it? Oh god, that's just..wow.
I feel bad for Sonic having to raise a kid like... that.
Zonate 606 wait
Zonate 606 what
10:28 my thoughts on all of this
Thanks SEGA they change the comics with the IDW ones
If there was ever goimg to be something like a Archie base Sonic game what would it look like and would you like it?
Am I the only one who really enjoyed sally as a character? Sure she did some dumb things but she is still one of my all time favorite characters. U rippen on my childhood
The fact that there are people who believes that Ian Flynn ruined the comics from by going away from *this* standard to the new standard is disturbing.
I would recommend something but I don't feel like getting bombarded again so I'll leave it that.
The Mighty voice just so happened to be spot on. In the arcade game SEGASonic, he had a voice actor
Deserves an Oscar. And an Academy Award.
To answer your question, Dingoes are Australian wild dogs. In some way since Echidnas are also Australian, the whole “rivalry” kind of, and I mean KIND OF makes sense.
It’s Ken Penders fault! This is WHY he was fired from making the sonic comics, after he was fired the comic were sooo much better and the art was amazing
Like I said last video Ken Penders got control over the series and used his shitty stories and OCs on these issues untill he finally got fired and Ian Flynn took over at issue 160 and Tracy yardley can make the artwork amazing looking not like a pile of shit like this issue
It’s strange because you reading the ken penders era of comics gets less strange at issue 160 when Ian takes over
Can you make a video about the Fleetway Sonic comics? There not terrible like the Ken Penders era of Archie Sonic
I feel bad for you reading this... Where was my old Sonic, the fast, and funny hedgehog, eh?
This is too much to handle XD
I really liked Archie's take on Sonic even before Ian Flynn stepped in
Too bad it got cancelled
Yes I actually found enjoyment in these even if they tried to seem so dark and serious story wise at times
Don't get me wrong but I know you're trying to prove a point that's it's weird and hard to get into if you start practically 100 issues in, yes that's including the spin off comics and Super Specials. But I do find it a little insensitive that you do poke fun at the Archie series "especially since you're literally talking about the dark age of the comics, I did get a chuckle here and there but issues 25-50 were the best of the Ken Penders run then that's when things got weird. Once Ian Flynn started sonic quickly returned to form and yes Twenty years later is the strangest you'll ever get.
Don't take it the wrong way I'm just giving constructive criticism..... I have a feeling that you won't read this. That's fine too, I just hope the people who will find the time to read and understand where I'm coming from here.
2:26 "you're under attack, goofball" LMAO
Why is it when I see something Sonic-related, it usually results in my eyeballs bursting into flames.....AGAIN?!
I found this issue to be interesting and I could appreciate that the art and coloring was well done. Worst Archie sonic issues return of the king and battle royle, catakiller is coming is really terrible too.
The more you read, the more I hate it. I know they take characters in a different way... but I can't take them seriously. Hell, I'm more a fan of 06 Sonic than this one.
Kuroka , Preach it buddy!!
Livael honestly the games are shit and after issue 160 they become good again
*character that doesnt wear clothes wearing swimsuit*
-_-
Im pretty sure a dingo is a type of coyote idk
Close enough, though they are closer to wolves and are capable of eating humans. Just recently one stole a woman's bag and lead her towards it's pack and they chewed her arms and legs to the bone!
Downunda is the Mobius equivalent of Australia (get it? Down Under?) I think that's where Angel Island is in this canon
What the heck is this ending? 25 years later??? Fanfiction!?!?
To be fair if you start any story in the middle it will for sure give you a headache trying to figure out top from bottom. Personally I think it might help if you look up issues around 20-30 and the Knuckles spin off.
I stopped following the comic after Sega tried to fuse the Sonic Adventure story line into the series because I finished playing the game and at the time I thought to myself I already know the ending but just told slightly differently so I stopped the subscriptions. Years later I found out it was still going so I took a look and started getting invested in some of the 175- 243 chapters. Then things got harshly out of track after 244 and finally I got annoyed with the Mega Man cross over and skipped chapters only to see a massive reboot which destroyed most of what I remember including my favorite parts.
I saw the thumbnail from faraway before I clicked it I thought tails was rubbing some jar but then I saw it was a baby and screamed AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH WTF IS THIS?!
I just watched further…it's not a baby even worse
Okay, the archie comics are so goofy that it might be worth making even more videos about them with that voice acting of yours. I didn't think Sonic would take itself so seriously even outside of the games but here we are, and it's like cmon they're cartoon animals they shouldn't be dealing with this kind of heaviness.
I believe Dingoes are a type of Australian dog. Usually they're wild, but yeah that's what dingoes are. Side note: Dingoes IRL look adorable to me.
Yeah I think you drifted off. They explored lava reef because they tracked the transmission's origin point earlier in the same comic, and sonic was responding to Knucks in that "to be continued" page.
Can't wait to see more of this sonic furry comic chaos.
Do you seriopusly don't know what the hell is a "dingo"?! They exist in real life! It's a species!
*obscure story-telling intensifies*
And thus...
The Super Genesis Wave was created.
I love these impressions of these heroes!!!
I personally think and hope the IDW Sonic comics bring Bunnie, Sally, and Antoine back somehow.
Dingo's are wild dogs in australia I believe goofy is a dingo too if I'm correct
What Goofy a dingo?
Geez man. A dingo is a canine species that's basically the Australian equivalent of a coyote/wolf.
Anyway the artstyle is cute here.
And penders really loved writing stuff about echidnas... so they had a clusterfuck of a backstory since anythign sonic related was a void with little to no story to it.
Frankly i'm baffled they got so far in making something so elaborate you basically have no chance of understanding unless you read almost everything and have an eidetic memory to boot.
The reason why it's weird is because you are focusing on the old ones.
Nathan Limon true cos after issue 160 things are whole lot less weird imo...
Nate Carter eh true, which is in a way why i'm glad they rebooted it with the genesis wave due to the old contanity being flaustring and with the IDW reboot which made things easier for fans who wasn't born with the comics (like me due to the fact i came in some time after the post-genesis wave. And went backwards and forwards to know about the series.)
Nathan Limon Yes Newer ones are better
The real reason he finds it weird is that he's only focusing on the early to mid-2000s era.
Lloyd Shanahan that's what I said.
i think the one hugging Tails is Sally's daughter and the one that is hugging the yellow animal is Sally.
Is this the Chan's work? Did he finally get a job?
Chris Chan? No
That's a shame, he needs a job, if it's not too late