He ignores anything that goes against his own personal 'head up his own ass' opinion. Dude has had some of the shittiest takes on Classic since he started making videos.
Eh, you also have to remember a lot of people in the comments section will say they hate gdkp, because they want to be patted on the back for being altruistic…when in reality they’re anonymously polling that they want it.
He needs to run a poll for the people who watched this video. I'll never know if he does though because this is the last video I'm watching from this guy.
@@paulwalther5237 GDKPs are fine, and usually run really smoothly. Nobody would dislike GDKP if it wasn't for bots and gold buying. That's the real problem
@@shafenutz 100% disagree , gear should be earned, not by joining gdkp and throwing money to get carried and boosted through the raid and cherrypicking your gear. It's the same as getting arena boost but gdkp has a bigger negative impact overall.
By banning GDKP the average joe/dad can just naturally enjoy the game without hyper inflations and ingame pressure and without breaking the social aspect the game offers.
@@Watskeburt Well GDKP's groups have better performance and less wipes than SR pugs, because people won't get a gold cut if they don't perform. So you will often see players doing more DPS, Healing and less deaths compared to a random pug group. And I see why people prefer it, cause it is faster and more relaxing way of raiding.
Banning GDKP is a big W for me personally. I can't stand the culture surrounding it and the damage it does to server economies. I mean just look at classic era? Lvl 15 greens on the AH are literally being sold for like 10s of gold or more. Gold is supposed to be a scarce resource in early WoW. GDKP also completely ruined the pug scene in TBC classic for me. It was nearly impossible for me to find pugs that weren't GDKP unless it was Kara or I just made my own group. It actively encourages RMT and obliterates server economies. Why is this a good thing? I remember GDKP back in WOTLK/Cata (2009-2012) was much more niche and didn't have nearly as much of a cultural effect as it does now, and I was fine with it existing back then. The problem now is that EVERYONE wants to do it and create a massive culture around it, which has a lot of negative ripple effects. Just keep it out.
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players. casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves. i don't see a problem??
Can you explain me how gdkps inflates the economy? it doesnt makes any sense. Bots inflates the economy and blizzard will not ban them with or with out gdkps. Classic era economy its fucked because the server has literally 5 years, dont be stupid dude
@@steadychasingmoneybands6213cope more gdkps destroy the i game economy so it does not matter of you do them or not the damage is already done. Awesome news its out
@@Morgmar Absolutely. I was guildless for months after my original guild decided to become a GDKP raiding guild. I didnt want any part of that, couldnt find a new home, and eventually quit since literally every advert for raiding was a GDKP.
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players. casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves. i don't see a problem.
I agree that GDKPs literally promote a transactional (and disposable) social environment. Even the voice chats in GDKPs tend to be more toxic than usual. I can appreciate opposing opinions, but I truly believe this will be best. Bringing other players along, teaching content (no matter how old it is), and having community is so core to the Classic experience. I think, in general, society is much more transactional and individualized these days (especially compared to 2004) which will demand some of us to actually slow down a bit and smell the flowers, if you will.
A little, perhaps, but I think It wont. Classic is still quite a currency demanding experience and people wont want to or have the time to do it, so gold buying will remain, with the bots to feed it.
@@Arenumberg Yeah people will definitely still buy gold to afford consumes and their epic mounts etc but it will be so much better now. GDKP took gold-selling to new, horrible heights.
It will most definitely not get rid of bots, sod was living proof of that. Blizzard should bann the bots before anything, but they never do, at least not quickly enough that you actually notice.
Itll just be pushed underground, and frankly im fine with that. So sick of being on cata and era where 100% of the raid calls are for gdkp payers only. :/
@@deliciosddyeah no reason to follow someone who cant see why gdkp shouldnt be in the game imo. I mean he said there NO reason to take it out. You might want it on the otherhand you have to see the problems it creates. I hope this comment section can help him see the statement he made saying majority wants gdkp
@@RosebenderEnah. Not here to give people morals or teach them how to think. I'll just unsub and give my attention to other Wowtubers. There's like a million of them, plenty who cover SoD too 🤷♂️.
For casual players like myself who have limited time due to job and family responsibilities, banning GDKPs is a great move in my opinion. You can not simply get into a GDKP run if don't already have vast amount of gold. And due to the massive inflation caused by GDKPs its hard for casual players to buy stuff off the AH.
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players. casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves. i don't see a problem.
@@2025-l3j But yet, the economy of the game is the same for both types of players you are referring to. So it is a problem. A casual dude will not have gold for buying consumables for raid if everyone who runs GDKP's will have 20x times the amount of gold as a casual player who doesnt do GDKPs.
You're dead wrong about GDKP. Less P2Win the better. Obviously people will still be buying gold. SOD is going great without GDKP, ever heard of a guild bud?
Completely agree. You’re out of touch with the majority of the community. It’s only the no-lifer elitists that are interested in GDKP’s and they destroy the culture and economy.
Yeah your right halving of the population overnight and the continued decline in numbers has nothing to do with gdkps or lack there off, don’t need to believe me just look at the stats. Doesn’t matter if u like them or not, they brought alot of players to the games and just because you don’t like them or don’t agree with them doesn’t make it bad.
There’s no obvious link between the two. I know you want it to be that way, but there are too many confounding variables, and many would attribute the attrition to other reasons. But feel free to continue with you mr confirmation bias
My man you are completely missing the point blizzard have stated gdkp is not the classic experience and that the journey is in the lvling STOP gdkps fullstop
@@andrecardoso6941 Of course, this is just an ideal system, the only cool thing is licking the clan leader’s ass in order to get priority when dropping an item, without this there is no spirit of the classics.
GDKP causes massive spikes in material prices, once we get to harder raids where potions become more of a necessity you will see huge spikes in prices. All the extra disposable gold will make leveling crafting harder but more lucrative IMO.
I agree with him. Pugs quality ms>os is so shit. Ill play 1 char for guild raid and thats it. Last time i had 3 chars 1 for guild 2 for gdkps. Im not siting in raid builder mode for 2 hours for the raid to wipe at the 2cnd boss and disband after.
GDKPs got me to quit Classic Era and focus 100% on SoD. Sure - if you no-life the game and rush to BiS, it's an easy gold farm. But if you can't no-life it, then you're stuck trying to find a raid that'll take your lower gear score (and most GDKPs will refuse you because of your lower gear score). Banning GDKPs is a great thing and makes me want to consider doing Fresh.
The problem with GDKPs sooner or later is turn into the most usual raiding group type, and normal/casual and just for fun raid runs are really hard to find because all people prefer to just raid that way, just cuz it ''saves time'' (? wtf why would you play classic if you are trying to rush the content and gear as fast as possible. We already know thats not the way to play classic, thats retail style. Of course anyone can play however the f*ck they want, but not having gdkps as an option makes the game healthier.
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players. casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves. i don't see a problem.
Problem with GDKPS is that 95% of the players buy gold, the entire economy becomes so inflated that a flask will cost more than an epic mount and the game becomes unplayable for people who dont want to be involved. If it was an isolated economy within GDKPS where people wanna swipe for gear, nobody would have issues with it.. just the GDKP community sucks up the rest of the server as well
People still buying gold isn't a good reason to bring back GDKPs. Being able to buy gold, then buying raid gear with that gold makes the entire game pointless
The gdkp take is stupid. If ppl wanna play classic, they wanna play it authentically. Let's be honest; there's no reason to play the game and enjoy it, if even 1% of the player base just simply cheats.
As long as RMT is possible, and it always will be, GDKP is literally pay to win. You can't spin it any other way than that. The reason era has any raiding population? A static one, no doubt. No-one new can actually join it because they don't have 100k gold.
The gdkp thing makes total sense.. it didn’t “kill sod” ya people still buy gold but one of the main reasons people don’t go back to OLD era is because they can’t even afford to get a piece of t1 with no sr groups running around. If you want gdkp go play old era simple.
you know why there are no sr hr or pug? Because for people who got all the gear there is no incentive left for them to play, and do you think good players want to carry baddies?
@ bro I loved cooking gdkp in wrath and tbc but it’s objectively bad for the game. The season of discovery “experiment” proved that it solves bot issues to SOME extent and keeps the economy stable until people with this exact mindset get in and start selling copper ore for 10g a stack. I don’t think it should be outlawed but go join a gdkp guild where you just pay to win with your real life money and cook a parse into the grey 😂 if that’s your style
They were definitely going to do it sooner or later, Holly came from Everquest after all and they've been doing it for an age. I wasn't expecting it as soon, but hey, let the neverending story begin.
@@Arenumberg"We have the power to bring those Era's back at any point" forgot where I heard that but since the leak I had a feeling TBC would be released but wouldn't seem right if we didn't go threw classic first. Transferring characters from the Era servers now would be a terrible idea
I have been waiting for an uncomplicated fresh (possibly unwisely) to get started in Classic, and knowing there's one realm per ruleset helps that immensely. Looking forward to it!
I Hope the idea blizzard has , based on how warmane (the biggest private server works), is that after the end of vanilla u get the possibility to copy your toon to actual classic era, then at the end of Tbc, they create an tbc era server where u can let your toon on and then same for wotlk. Then repeat the cycle with the 3og xpac. With at the end of the cycle the possibility to not loose your characters. It would be perfect for me
Casual players don't want to gather a raid group because it's time-consuming and most are just lazy people. They want to log into the game to be carried through a raid-dungeon, get their stuff and still have time for their family. But a hobby is something that either you do one or the other. If you don't have time for a hobby, find another. Thanks to social group: Communities (Like guilds, Communities have a member roster and offer access to a chat etc) that Blizzard introduced only in 2017, I found a discord server with 10,000+ players. They teach RL for RBG and PVE raids. You can find a group there. The problem is that Blizzard doesn't provide an easy way for people to communicate in the game. People don't have time to read the chat. After all, they only have 2 hours in the evening to play. That's why they started introducing solo content. But that's a mistake. Casuals need to be helped to find each other. GDKP - this is just one type of community.
This might be a hot take, but I actually hate how much communication, community building, and organizing happens in discord. I loved when in-game calendar was the raid sign up and Vent/Mumble were ONLY voice. Discord and other services break immersion and in-game community IMO
i like the fact that gdkp is banned now. and i love that you now have a dedicated channel where people can spam their boost services that they are forced to use
12 months insted of 18 is bad because that means the gear you farm in Vanilla wont mean Jack as you go to Tbc soon enough. Also caters more to speedrunners and ultra sweatlords that rush to max level and endgame and then usually complain "nothing to do, nobody to play with (yet), dead game" etc. Yes yes unless full Naxx gear, fine. That does help your Tbc leveling. Still, raid gear, high rank pvp gear from Vanilla? Nope...so we go to 60 with multiple green/blue geared ppl, max out professions and wait for Tbc? But hey, atleast we can plan what to play. Knowing we're going into Tbc fairly fast. What class/spec and main professions from day 1 on fresh I guess.
Why is this the only comment I have seen in the video that addresses this? This is a very notable highlight, and I agree with you that it's for the worse. It also goes against their ethos of a less sweaty Classic experience they seem to have for it otherwise, between the timegating MC, adding Chronobooms and updating the PvP ranking system to the new one.
You say gear farming won't matter as much, then say it caters to speedrunners. That doesn't make sense. It matters LESS that people will farm for the top tier gear, bc TBC will come 6months sooner. Right? So, the value of getting that top tier gear soon is lessened. So... It doesn't cater to ppl getting that top tier gear soon
I have been enjoying your channel for quite a while now, and i still do. But you are WAY of base with your stance on GDKP. Are people still going to buy gold? Yes. But they cant swipe their parents visa and expect to get all the gear they want. Back when GDKP was a thing, finding a normal SR group was allmost impossible, because if you did not participate in that degenerate BS you would fall behind. And the price surge for general crafting mats on AH increases by an ridiculous amount.
The endgame environment will be totally different than Classic Era because of the pace of progression. There will be very few fully geared characters on these new servers by the time TBC comes unless people are running splits. We're only spending like 3-4 months in each phase. Besides, if you're doing gdkps on a main in order to make gold so you can buy gear for an alt in a gdkp... just take that alt to a regular raid instead! Level in the open world instead of doing paid boosts! The people who hyper focus on the very end of endgame have forgotten what Classic WoW is about and lost sight of the fun.
So you missed one of their key reasons to ban GDKPs, it destroys the Guild ethos. My hopes is if they ever get around to Classic+ we get Personal Loot. Scream all you want, it solves the issues and they will 100% put the wow token into Classic+ and I don't want GDKPs and the WoW token in the game, go play Cata Classic for that shitshow.
I believe that GDKPs promote a transactional (and disposable) social environment. Even the voice chats in GDKPs tend to be more toxic than usual. I’ve tried a few GDKPs & I can appreciate opposing opinions, but I truly believe this will be best. Bringing other players along, teaching content (no matter how old it is), and having community is so core to the Classic experience. I think, in general, society is much more transactional and individualized these days (especially compared to 2004) which will demand some of us to actually slow down a bit and smell the flowers, if you will.
Yeah bro everyone in SoD is rushing to get back to 40 man raids, half the specs as meme specs, and 1 button rotations ASAP! Looking forward to doing MC for the 5th time.
@@deadservers2374 fair aggrend and the wow classic team posted today SoD isn't going anywhere for a while so sounds like it will be a thing for longer than we all thought.
In 20 years of playing WoW I’ve never bought gold. I plan on playing Classic Fresh. I would have to buy gold if I wanted any raid items. I don’t understand how gdkp makes WoW better. It rewards gold farmers and punishes players by making them buy gold.
GDKP's 100% had circles of gold buyers. It did not help the economy, it made it worse. You are not going to convince me those guys made gold legitimately. They were dropping 10s of thousands of gold on rings from MC, I saw it. This is a good move.
I wish for a SoD progression somehow. The biggest issue with classic now after getting our fill back in 2019 is remembering how many specs were not playable/welcomed in raids, made even more clear based on raid gear/set bonuses, which SoD fixed. So unless you either missed 2019 classic or play a class that was viable/fun to you, i dont see a TON of people wanting to play it again. Id rather go into TBC sod verison where they continue to make specs like shaman/rogue/warlock tanks a thing and other things.
AGree! Hunter is my favorite class, but after playing it in SoD (which i enjoy more than retail hunter) I don't think I can play regular classic hunter... ugh I'm spoiled now.
Fresh on a cycle is a good play. A lot of players want it. The only question I have is what is the long term vision for classic. Is it re-releases/fresh on repeat or do they have plans to eventually invest in Classic+ down the road
As a person who doesnt prefer GDKP, I have noticed over the years its the only loot type that provides a gameplay loop that can produce a healthy long term community. I think the reason this is the case is because when people who play healers and tanks get full bis theyre also the first to quit. Which makes sense cause how many months would someone want to heal the same raids getting no loot or any reward. GDKP seems to mitigate this and incentivize people that dont need items to continue to play. Even in SOD which has no GDKP the moment they go over 8 weeks with no new content the population dips, until the new content fix arrives. Point being is that most people that complain about GDKP are also usually the first ppl to abandon the game as soon as content stagnates.
Except for the fact gold buying and bots are a huge problem. Get rid of those, and GDKP is absolutely fine. I think right now they are attacking the symptom, which is GDKP, and the cause is bots and gold selling/buying.
@@jackiechan6460 i personally dont think botting is a problem in sod. Theyve done really well mitigating bots with the month ban on AH for new accounts and all the bot farmed materials basically getting handed to players in sod. If botting is so bad, part of the economy in sod is suffering as a result of bots? As for gold buying, ive play SoD the whole time never quitting and while GDKP has been banned and the player base seems to largely be anti GDKP ; A LOT of these players still buy gold. so my summary is botting is largely a non factor in sod, prove me wrong though im open minded, lastly gold buying and GDKP can interact with each other but gold buying happens on a massive level independant of GDKP which means their interaction with each other isnt really that problematic. the GDKP economy and value will be deemed by the player base not necessarily driven up by gold buying
Agreeing with all the comments below that banning gdkp's is a good thing. I really wish they came out with fresh TBC era realms. All the TBC enjoyers have to wait a year to play that version of the game. If you want to play a horde paladin and alliance shaman, you have no incentive to play the progression realm till December 2025.
"Maybe if they get enough backlash they'll rethink this decision" Does this apply to your support of the practice as well considering your comment section?
Supporting GDKPs is crazy. The economy in SOD has been reasonably level with the exclusion of them. Most flasks and consumables are reasonably priced, max level crafted items are, mostly, reasonably priced, and even world drops are somewhat affordable. On era you can find random, somewhat rare but nothing crazy, low level boes selling for hundreds of gold. You can’t farm enough for somethings without doing gdkps for money exclusively because everyone who wants to buy their gear upgrades and skip traditional loot systems are pouring gold into the market bought from gold sellers. The point of banning gdkps isn’t to simply kill gold buying, but to keep people from breaking the game economy by incentivizing buying gold in mass.
SoDs not dead man (Thumbnail.) It's dead to streamers because we have to hype and eat constantly. We follow the hype, Gamers. Fresh is cool .. You have to follow soda, Streamer. Love you man
I REALLY wish WSG and AB were available at day one. Lower level BG's are one of my favorite memories in Classic Era. Guess I'll be making alts to do lower level BG's with since my main will be 60 before they even drop
Well said. Streamers and their flock of sheeps doing anything to get attention via streams. Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing him as a person but for online ingame mmo mentality. I mean take people like Sodapoppin or Asmongold, you think they ever need to farm anything? All they need is to ask in chat or stream "if I only had 200g more I could done X or Y" and 1 min later, he has 400g, kek.
Why ban GDKP? The easy response to that is it’s pay-to-win. You stick around while other players clear the dungeon, you pay, and you get the items. It then becomes harder to find a raiding guild or community. The argument that 'I can't play alts because GDKP is banned' is nonsense. In SoD, the majority of players have tons of alts and raid with them all the time.
Question - is Anything at all from SoD going to be recreated on the new Classic realms? The BFD remake was quite good, and I liked shaman tanking. (I think I know the answer, but I thought I'd see if anyone here can confirm)
Gdkps introduced me to some of the most toxic treatment I've ever seen in the game. Didnt bring 20k gold as a fresh main to a aq20 just in case your bis xbow drops? Must be a fake buyer, remove your cut. Didn't bring 40k gold to an MC for Qsr? Must be a fake buyer remove your cut. Made a mistake during raid? Remove your cut. Let's not forget the ridicule and shaming of posting people's equipment in raid to pressure them to buying and if they can't afford even the most minor upgrade, their gold is cut. Elitists use Gdkps to rob and pressure players who participate in the effort of getting the highest cut. They'll throw anyone under the bus to get a bigger cut. I'm glad its gone. I brought 5k gold to a 2k posted min in aq20 and they said they'd rather d/e the xbow then sell it to me for 5k because I had the audacity to join with so little gold.
I hate the concept of gdkps as they can be run like mafias, however ad a casual player, who plays a rogue on era, i have slim to no chance of raiding naxx as i cannot be consistent as i play 1 day a week, with gdkp i can stleast farm gold all day during the day and then jump on a raid in the evening, people will always have me as i buy... looks like ill have to play a healer to have any chance of getting s group
Banning gdkp will mean that items you would never normally roll on like the raid specific crafting mats, will be the big crowd puller, as these will still garner incintive for bis geared players to join raids that are technically benieth them, as these will be a way of making rare and expensive items and gear to sell for gold, or even just to hock on the auction house as raw crafting mats, it will still be profitable, i think we can manage without gdkp
SoD is not dead it has lots of players and think about it. Has the most potential out of any classic versions to keep going into Classic+ and its been the most fun ive had in wow in a LONG time. Classic Fresh Servers will die after a couple months when people get bored and will have less players. How are they going to change the real problems Ret paladin is useless ENH shaman are low dps etc if they start giving them more utility its just basically a lame version of SoD..............so
4:25 shows how absolutely little you know. We're still play hc all the way up to cata . it absolutely belongs in tbc and beyond. in fact imo , peak hc is wotlk. they need to fix this.
imo only good part about gdkps is that people don't leave. But I think Blizzard found a better solution with extra chests at the end like in SOD right now. Pretty sure this is all to limit the amount of bots, because it's been a plague for classic realms and they know it.
The video was going 11/10 until you somehow found a reason to defend and normalize GDKPS, like wtf d00d... How disconnected you must be to think that the average player engages in that non-sense, in fact, GDKPS are a huge factor which alienates the casual player from entering end-game content, since everyone is so juiced up in gear from paying for it, that at some point, it becomes the standard to have "such & such" to just start thinking you can be a part of the experience and compete with everyone else. I get that you're a content creator / streamer, but don't try to be "reasonable" with stances that fuck up the game and encourage pay-to-play v/s investing a ton of hours to compete with those that buy gold !
So what, because removing GDKP doesn't completely end gold buying we should just reintroduce the main incentive to buy gold? That's the worst argument I've ever heard in GDKPs defence. GDKP has no place in classic wow. People need to earn their gold and prevent the botters from being able to laundern their gold into the game.
I am enjoying SOD, but if I were to jump into classic would there be more people on the cata one or the new fresh one coming? not sure which one to try out
actually they had statements about not shutting the servers down and they are gonna announce stuff soon, so what exactly is on life support? it has the same population as cata, its doing just fine lol
GDKPs being banned is terrible. Now all the nerds, especially the dps will be competing with 30 other people to get a piece of gear. Meanwhile, GDKP helps build that gold up so it doesnt take you a hundred years on old resident sleeper content. People will still RMT (buy gold with real money) to buy consumes for raid, afford repairs and buy bis crafted items or drops from AH. People who think this will stop gold buying YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.
most ppl who play classic for nostalgia just want a chill leveling experience and arent interested in GDKP at all. this a win for the casuals, which i think is most ppl anyway.
I am one of the only people I know who never bought gold in 2019 Classic, most raiders would just buy gold with irl money and use it to get gear in GDKPs on their alts. Then once their alts were geared they would do carries to make more gold. They would have an insane amount of gold. And only reinforced the bot problem. I was perpetually broke and didn’t get epic flying until well into Wrath but played from day one in August 2019. All the death rolling too.. with bought gold. I only got excited for fresh when I saw they would get rid of GDKPs.
Normal people dont do GDKPs bud, banning them ls 100% the healthiest option long term.
Indeed, for some reason its literally put me off the game at multiple points.
I play healers you dont want me to quit XD.
Exactly!
But gotta protect the streamers!!!! They matter
Im normal player and i pref gdkp for pugs.
fully agreed
"I've ran so many polls and most people want it in the game" Have you read your comments section?
Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He ignores anything that goes against his own personal 'head up his own ass' opinion. Dude has had some of the shittiest takes on Classic since he started making videos.
Foot mouth insert where?
Eh, you also have to remember a lot of people in the comments section will say they hate gdkp, because they want to be patted on the back for being altruistic…when in reality they’re anonymously polling that they want it.
He needs to run a poll for the people who watched this video. I'll never know if he does though because this is the last video I'm watching from this guy.
Banning GDKP is the best news of this whole warcraft direct !!
YEEESSSSS, That changed my mind completely, I wasn't sure if play there, then remembered the GDKP, and give up, but if GDKP is banned, am in 100000%.
@@Prophacyx I’ve never done a GDKP run before. They just seem so shady.
@@paulwalther5237 GDKPs are fine, and usually run really smoothly. Nobody would dislike GDKP if it wasn't for bots and gold buying. That's the real problem
@@shafenutz Do you really think there would be buyers for GDKP if not for gold selling or wow tokens?
@@shafenutz 100% disagree , gear should be earned, not by joining gdkp and throwing money to get carried and boosted through the raid and cherrypicking your gear. It's the same as getting arena boost but gdkp has a bigger negative impact overall.
By banning GDKP the average joe/dad can just naturally enjoy the game without hyper inflations and ingame pressure and without breaking the social aspect the game offers.
that's such a lie lol as a casual player it's almost impossible for me to raid in classic wow.
LOL gdkps are awesome for casuals wtf....
@@andrecardoso6941 you clearly don't care about the social aspect the game offers then. (find a guild)
@@steadychasingmoneybands6213 you clearly don't understand the essence of an mmorpg wtf....
@@Watskeburt Well GDKP's groups have better performance and less wipes than SR pugs, because people won't get a gold cut if they don't perform. So you will often see players doing more DPS, Healing and less deaths compared to a random pug group. And I see why people prefer it, cause it is faster and more relaxing way of raiding.
Banning GDKP is a big W for me personally. I can't stand the culture surrounding it and the damage it does to server economies. I mean just look at classic era? Lvl 15 greens on the AH are literally being sold for like 10s of gold or more. Gold is supposed to be a scarce resource in early WoW. GDKP also completely ruined the pug scene in TBC classic for me. It was nearly impossible for me to find pugs that weren't GDKP unless it was Kara or I just made my own group. It actively encourages RMT and obliterates server economies. Why is this a good thing?
I remember GDKP back in WOTLK/Cata (2009-2012) was much more niche and didn't have nearly as much of a cultural effect as it does now, and I was fine with it existing back then. The problem now is that EVERYONE wants to do it and create a massive culture around it, which has a lot of negative ripple effects. Just keep it out.
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players.
casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves.
i don't see a problem??
but the culture around having to be full bis with insane logs is ok? that's not classic either.
LOL this is such failure logic... dont like gdkps dont do them karen
Can you explain me how gdkps inflates the economy? it doesnt makes any sense.
Bots inflates the economy and blizzard will not ban them with or with out gdkps.
Classic era economy its fucked because the server has literally 5 years, dont be stupid dude
@@steadychasingmoneybands6213cope more gdkps destroy the i game economy so it does not matter of you do them or not the damage is already done. Awesome news its out
Completely disagree about banning GDKP’s. They suck and I’m glad their gone
Same, it's toxic af.
gdkp is what is killing the classic for casual player im glad aswel
@@Morgmar Absolutely. I was guildless for months after my original guild decided to become a GDKP raiding guild. I didnt want any part of that, couldnt find a new home, and eventually quit since literally every advert for raiding was a GDKP.
@@Gabriel-y5x3o Yeah, I don't get the appeal. I'm so happy it's banned. I'll play again...
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players.
casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves.
i don't see a problem.
Soon as GDKP is available, inflation goes thru the roof and the ones who play the game normally for the most part get left behind
Of course the streamer is upset that GDKP is banned. Now they have to commit to community and guild raiding.
Hahah true i was laughing my ass off with joy from their cope
Couldn't possibly have fun raiding if not making tons of gold. Why play??? 🙄
boring lol
I agree that GDKPs literally promote a transactional (and disposable) social environment. Even the voice chats in GDKPs tend to be more toxic than usual. I can appreciate opposing opinions, but I truly believe this will be best. Bringing other players along, teaching content (no matter how old it is), and having community is so core to the Classic experience. I think, in general, society is much more transactional and individualized these days (especially compared to 2004) which will demand some of us to actually slow down a bit and smell the flowers, if you will.
If GDKP was in, many players including me would be out.
I'm excited to play without GDKP. I wonder if this will get rid of pay to win in general along with bots.
A little, perhaps, but I think It wont. Classic is still quite a currency demanding experience and people wont want to or have the time to do it, so gold buying will remain, with the bots to feed it.
@@Arenumberg Yeah people will definitely still buy gold to afford consumes and their epic mounts etc but it will be so much better now. GDKP took gold-selling to new, horrible heights.
It will most definitely not get rid of bots, sod was living proof of that. Blizzard should bann the bots before anything, but they never do, at least not quickly enough that you actually notice.
Itll just be pushed underground, and frankly im fine with that. So sick of being on cata and era where 100% of the raid calls are for gdkp payers only. :/
Lol you're delusional. People will still be botting and buying gold without gdkps.
Supporting GDKP is insane
ye close to unfollow
@@deliciosddyeah no reason to follow someone who cant see why gdkp shouldnt be in the game imo. I mean he said there NO reason to take it out. You might want it on the otherhand you have to see the problems it creates. I hope this comment section can help him see the statement he made saying majority wants gdkp
@@RosebenderEnah. Not here to give people morals or teach them how to think. I'll just unsub and give my attention to other Wowtubers. There's like a million of them, plenty who cover SoD too 🤷♂️.
@@clintmcbride7830 good for you i guess
@@RosebenderE 👍😎. Yes. Good for me. I see something I don't like and I move on or is it my job to try and change others' opinions?
GDKP sucks
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Im still anti-gdkp. Im sorry i missed your poll
There was no poll lol. Just look at the comments. No one wants GDKP but him and like 3 other idiots.
@@EvilGoatBoy look at the other comments there is 1 dude that says gdkp is fine and he reacts too that. this guy is clueless.
For casual players like myself who have limited time due to job and family responsibilities, banning GDKPs is a great move in my opinion. You can not simply get into a GDKP run if don't already have vast amount of gold. And due to the massive inflation caused by GDKPs its hard for casual players to buy stuff off the AH.
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players.
casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves.
i don't see a problem.
just make craft more interesting
@@2025-l3jfound the jaja
yea good luck raiding with a full time job and a family.
@@2025-l3j But yet, the economy of the game is the same for both types of players you are referring to. So it is a problem. A casual dude will not have gold for buying consumables for raid if everyone who runs GDKP's will have 20x times the amount of gold as a casual player who doesnt do GDKPs.
GDKP is absolute rot, and I can’t express how thrilled I am that it’s gone in SoD and now in Classic Fresh. Big W for Blizzard-thank you!
You're dead wrong about GDKP. Less P2Win the better. Obviously people will still be buying gold. SOD is going great without GDKP, ever heard of a guild bud?
Completely agree. You’re out of touch with the majority of the community. It’s only the no-lifer elitists that are interested in GDKP’s and they destroy the culture and economy.
Agree GDKP adds nothing to the game only makes it p2w
Yeah your right halving of the population overnight and the continued decline in numbers has nothing to do with gdkps or lack there off, don’t need to believe me just look at the stats. Doesn’t matter if u like them or not, they brought alot of players to the games and just because you don’t like them or don’t agree with them doesn’t make it bad.
@@timmetcalfe2749 triggered gold seller alert kekw
There’s no obvious link between the two. I know you want it to be that way, but there are too many confounding variables, and many would attribute the attrition to other reasons. But feel free to continue with you mr confirmation bias
My man you are completely missing the point blizzard have stated gdkp is not the classic experience and that the journey is in the lvling STOP gdkps fullstop
Gearscore and logs is classic experience?
@@andrecardoso6941 Of course, this is just an ideal system, the only cool thing is licking the clan leader’s ass in order to get priority when dropping an item, without this there is no spirit of the classics.
@@andrecardoso6941👆🏽clown comment
Yea, idk this content creator, but lying about gdkp to his fans because he wants it was a bad look. Not coming back to this disingenuous channel.
@@BusJusticethis isn't the first shit take this kid has had.
GDKP causes massive spikes in material prices, once we get to harder raids where potions become more of a necessity you will see huge spikes in prices. All the extra disposable gold will make leveling crafting harder but more lucrative IMO.
This^ gdkps killed professions. Why waste Your time doing potions for 50 silver of profit when You can just go for a GDKP and get 50k gold share?
gdkp getting banned is awesome. now region lock the servers
Build a firewall and make them pay for it. Make Azeroth Great Again.
L take
Thanks for sharing but you are wrong. GDKP"s should never have been a thing.
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I agree with him. Pugs quality ms>os is so shit. Ill play 1 char for guild raid and thats it. Last time i had 3 chars 1 for guild 2 for gdkps.
Im not siting in raid builder mode for 2 hours for the raid to wipe at the 2cnd boss and disband after.
@@TheMultiflamer then don't, it's your choice, run with it
@@gtertgvsdfv4904 i dont know why they dont make 2 servers one where it is allowed anf one where its forbidden
Facts
GDKPs got me to quit Classic Era and focus 100% on SoD. Sure - if you no-life the game and rush to BiS, it's an easy gold farm. But if you can't no-life it, then you're stuck trying to find a raid that'll take your lower gear score (and most GDKPs will refuse you because of your lower gear score). Banning GDKPs is a great thing and makes me want to consider doing Fresh.
Same 👍
@@fidelito5175 The GDKP ban forced me to leave Sod and return to the era, if you can’t follow the schedule you won’t get into the raid.
And then if you even manage to find a GDKP that let you join, you can't compete with the people using RMT gold to bid...
Same would sit looking for a group for hours and couldn’t find any cause everyone paid to play
I quit due to GDKP I might return if it’s truly banned
Same
I sold a head of onyxia for a guildie for 500g, i can call that gdkp? 🤔
The problem with GDKPs sooner or later is turn into the most usual raiding group type, and normal/casual and just for fun raid runs are really hard to find because all people prefer to just raid that way, just cuz it ''saves time'' (? wtf why would you play classic if you are trying to rush the content and gear as fast as possible. We already know thats not the way to play classic, thats retail style. Of course anyone can play however the f*ck they want, but not having gdkps as an option makes the game healthier.
skilled/active players have a GDKP system by which they select players.
casual players do not have a system for finding the same casual partners. give casual players the ability to find partners even in offline mode. give them simple and convenient interfaces for gathering players for a raid. let them create raids for themselves.
i don't see a problem.
Only reason I quit whitemane was because I couldn’t even find a pug. It’s worked great in SoD and I can’t wait for it!
If you think removing GDKP is a bad thing, then you don't understand the problem.
you are the one who doesn’t understand the problem gdkp are one who play multiple toons and keep game alive
@@thaidang629lol no, they're not. Everyone I know with multiple toons they raid on HATES GDKP
Time to get back to wanding down mobs for 12 hours a day.
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I'm down
Problem with GDKPS is that 95% of the players buy gold, the entire economy becomes so inflated that a flask will cost more than an epic mount and the game becomes unplayable for people who dont want to be involved. If it was an isolated economy within GDKPS where people wanna swipe for gear, nobody would have issues with it.. just the GDKP community sucks up the rest of the server as well
well they banned GDKPs in SOD and that wasn't the case. There's GDKPs in wotlk/cata and retail and the economy is just fine there.
People still buying gold isn't a good reason to bring back GDKPs. Being able to buy gold, then buying raid gear with that gold makes the entire game pointless
There is no way most people want GDKPs in the game.
The gdkp take is stupid. If ppl wanna play classic, they wanna play it authentically. Let's be honest; there's no reason to play the game and enjoy it, if even 1% of the player base just simply cheats.
As long as RMT is possible, and it always will be, GDKP is literally pay to win.
You can't spin it any other way than that.
The reason era has any raiding population? A static one, no doubt. No-one new can actually join it because they don't have 100k gold.
GDKP's were a thing back in og vanilla.
@@sproosemoose285 they were niche and didn't rule the whole scene.
@@JordanR didnt in classic either, i and many others played in guilds that didn't do them
@@sproosemoose285 At the same time, in vanilla there were heaps of bots and gold buyers, strange.
The gdkp thing makes total sense.. it didn’t “kill sod” ya people still buy gold but one of the main reasons people don’t go back to OLD era is because they can’t even afford to get a piece of t1 with no sr groups running around. If you want gdkp go play old era simple.
you know why there are no sr hr or pug? Because for people who got all the gear there is no incentive left for them to play, and do you think good players want to carry baddies?
@ bro I loved cooking gdkp in wrath and tbc but it’s objectively bad for the game. The season of discovery “experiment” proved that it solves bot issues to SOME extent and keeps the economy stable until people with this exact mindset get in and start selling copper ore for 10g a stack. I don’t think it should be outlawed but go join a gdkp guild where you just pay to win with your real life money and cook a parse into the grey 😂 if that’s your style
Fuck yeah FRESH era hype! Didn’t think they’d do it, and it’s so soon time to decide on what to play!
They were definitely going to do it sooner or later, Holly came from Everquest after all and they've been doing it for an age. I wasn't expecting it as soon, but hey, let the neverending story begin.
@@Arenumberg"We have the power to bring those Era's back at any point" forgot where I heard that but since the leak I had a feeling TBC would be released but wouldn't seem right if we didn't go threw classic first.
Transferring characters from the Era servers now would be a terrible idea
Gdkp rule is the best thing they have made
as someone who's been here quietly enjoying SoD this entire time. today was a big bummer
Sorry buddy. What did you play btw and what level you got up to?
Its not so bad, I see plenty of people who want to and will continue to play SoD.
@@ZandalariHero I’ve got a few toons maxed out. But my rogue has 3 trial BWL down
you're allowed to keep playing and enjoy it lol many of us still will
feel for you but the scarlet crusade and karazhan crypts raids or dungeons are definitely very cool and hyped content that will keep people playing
I have been waiting for an uncomplicated fresh (possibly unwisely) to get started in Classic, and knowing there's one realm per ruleset helps that immensely. Looking forward to it!
It won't be 1 realm per ruleset. They'll have to have at least 4 for PvP
GDKPs are a cancer on vanilla WoW. Good riddance to bad rubbish
i just want tbc to have an era realm, i never want to stop playing tbc ever again
and wotlk
Literally both of yall could play tbc and wotlk for free rn
@@dremora2232 okay? Some people dont want to be on shady private servers
@@dremora2232 dont care about shit private servers
I Hope the idea blizzard has , based on how warmane (the biggest private server works), is that after the end of vanilla u get the possibility to copy your toon to actual classic era, then at the end of Tbc, they create an tbc era server where u can let your toon on and then same for wotlk. Then repeat the cycle with the 3og xpac. With at the end of the cycle the possibility to not loose your characters. It would be perfect for me
"Me and my friends who made gold hand over fist running scrubs through raids are very upset that GDKP is banned." - hammerdance
not beeing able to do anything but heal as paladin is the main reason that keeps me from coming back
Casual players don't want to gather a raid group because it's time-consuming and most are just lazy people.
They want to log into the game to be carried through a raid-dungeon, get their stuff and still have time for their family.
But a hobby is something that either you do one or the other. If you don't have time for a hobby, find another.
Thanks to social group: Communities (Like guilds, Communities have a member roster and offer access to a chat etc) that Blizzard introduced only in 2017, I found a discord server with 10,000+ players. They teach RL for RBG and PVE raids. You can find a group there.
The problem is that Blizzard doesn't provide an easy way for people to communicate in the game. People don't have time to read the chat. After all, they only have 2 hours in the evening to play. That's why they started introducing solo content. But that's a mistake. Casuals need to be helped to find each other.
GDKP - this is just one type of community.
This might be a hot take, but I actually hate how much communication, community building, and organizing happens in discord. I loved when in-game calendar was the raid sign up and Vent/Mumble were ONLY voice. Discord and other services break immersion and in-game community IMO
I am glad GDKPs are gone. They massively promote gold buying.
Had fun chilling in the live last night. Excited to scratch that fresh itch next week!
you knocked this out quick! so fuckin hyped for fresh
Where did you post that poll-on the GDKP subreddit?
i like the fact that gdkp is banned now. and i love that you now have a dedicated channel where people can spam their boost services that they are forced to use
really enjoy your content, don't agree about GDKPs tho, they added it in late for SOD
I mean this guy wanted flying mounts in classic, he never will get it. What do you expect?
When did I ever say that? Flying mounts don’t belong in classic.
6:49 Ban GDKP
what is GDKP and also i’m confused are they just re releasing classic like they did in 2019…?
Yes like its 2019. People wanted this so badly. The servers will be alive for a whole year I'm 100% sure
12 months insted of 18 is bad because that means the gear you farm in Vanilla wont mean Jack as you go to Tbc soon enough. Also caters more to speedrunners and ultra sweatlords that rush to max level and endgame and then usually complain "nothing to do, nobody to play with (yet), dead game" etc.
Yes yes unless full Naxx gear, fine. That does help your Tbc leveling. Still, raid gear, high rank pvp gear from Vanilla? Nope...so we go to 60 with multiple green/blue geared ppl, max out professions and wait for Tbc? But hey, atleast we can plan what to play. Knowing we're going into Tbc fairly fast. What class/spec and main professions from day 1 on fresh I guess.
Yes thats insane why it even goes to thc
Why is this the only comment I have seen in the video that addresses this? This is a very notable highlight, and I agree with you that it's for the worse. It also goes against their ethos of a less sweaty Classic experience they seem to have for it otherwise, between the timegating MC, adding Chronobooms and updating the PvP ranking system to the new one.
You say gear farming won't matter as much, then say it caters to speedrunners. That doesn't make sense.
It matters LESS that people will farm for the top tier gear, bc TBC will come 6months sooner. Right? So, the value of getting that top tier gear soon is lessened. So... It doesn't cater to ppl getting that top tier gear soon
I have been enjoying your channel for quite a while now, and i still do. But you are WAY of base with your stance on GDKP. Are people still going to buy gold? Yes. But they cant swipe their parents visa and expect to get all the gear they want. Back when GDKP was a thing, finding a normal SR group was allmost impossible, because if you did not participate in that degenerate BS you would fall behind. And the price surge for general crafting mats on AH increases by an ridiculous amount.
im hyped in fact, love that you progress to tbc
The endgame environment will be totally different than Classic Era because of the pace of progression. There will be very few fully geared characters on these new servers by the time TBC comes unless people are running splits. We're only spending like 3-4 months in each phase. Besides, if you're doing gdkps on a main in order to make gold so you can buy gear for an alt in a gdkp... just take that alt to a regular raid instead! Level in the open world instead of doing paid boosts! The people who hyper focus on the very end of endgame have forgotten what Classic WoW is about and lost sight of the fun.
So you missed one of their key reasons to ban GDKPs, it destroys the Guild ethos. My hopes is if they ever get around to Classic+ we get Personal Loot. Scream all you want, it solves the issues and they will 100% put the wow token into Classic+ and I don't want GDKPs and the WoW token in the game, go play Cata Classic for that shitshow.
GDKP banning is not controversial. At all.
Vanilla Fresh - Where we can go back to meme specs AGAIN. not so sure it's gonna take off
I believe that GDKPs promote a transactional (and disposable) social environment. Even the voice chats in GDKPs tend to be more toxic than usual. I’ve tried a few GDKPs & I can appreciate opposing opinions, but I truly believe this will be best. Bringing other players along, teaching content (no matter how old it is), and having community is so core to the Classic experience. I think, in general, society is much more transactional and individualized these days (especially compared to 2004) which will demand some of us to actually slow down a bit and smell the flowers, if you will.
I’m happy for classic. Really wanted TBC tho right now but I can casually do vanilla until BC again. Nostalgia is hell of a drug
Will you be able to remain in Vanilla without progressing to TBC?
thats an interesting question i think they wont make era for this server
Yeah bro everyone in SoD is rushing to get back to 40 man raids, half the specs as meme specs, and 1 button rotations ASAP! Looking forward to doing MC for the 5th time.
Yeah i don't get the logic / blind love or why content creators have a hate boner for Sod.
@@itsharrell This guy just has bad takes I mean hes upset about gdkps lol, sod will be fine until they decide to shut the servers off
@@deadservers2374 fair aggrend and the wow classic team posted today SoD isn't going anywhere for a while so sounds like it will be a thing for longer than we all thought.
In 20 years of playing WoW I’ve never bought gold. I plan on playing Classic Fresh. I would have to buy gold if I wanted any raid items. I don’t understand how gdkp makes WoW better. It rewards gold farmers and punishes players by making them buy gold.
GDKP's 100% had circles of gold buyers. It did not help the economy, it made it worse. You are not going to convince me those guys made gold legitimately. They were dropping 10s of thousands of gold on rings from MC, I saw it.
This is a good move.
I wish for a SoD progression somehow. The biggest issue with classic now after getting our fill back in 2019 is remembering how many specs were not playable/welcomed in raids, made even more clear based on raid gear/set bonuses, which SoD fixed. So unless you either missed 2019 classic or play a class that was viable/fun to you, i dont see a TON of people wanting to play it again. Id rather go into TBC sod verison where they continue to make specs like shaman/rogue/warlock tanks a thing and other things.
Ugh, God… imagine how basic Classic’s going to feel after SoD… I don’t think I could ever go back to a 3 second aimed shot…
Skill issue
nobody will miss you
@@notafortnitegamer really? what are you struggling with?
@@sniperdps idk if I choose body type 1 or 2 wtf…
AGree! Hunter is my favorite class, but after playing it in SoD (which i enjoy more than retail hunter) I don't think I can play regular classic hunter... ugh I'm spoiled now.
Fresh on a cycle is a good play. A lot of players want it. The only question I have is what is the long term vision for classic. Is it re-releases/fresh on repeat or do they have plans to eventually invest in Classic+ down the road
I'm surprised how many short-sighted classic Andy's don't understand how GDKP is beneficial.
As a person who doesnt prefer GDKP, I have noticed over the years its the only loot type that provides a gameplay loop that can produce a healthy long term community. I think the reason this is the case is because when people who play healers and tanks get full bis theyre also the first to quit. Which makes sense cause how many months would someone want to heal the same raids getting no loot or any reward. GDKP seems to mitigate this and incentivize people that dont need items to continue to play. Even in SOD which has no GDKP the moment they go over 8 weeks with no new content the population dips, until the new content fix arrives. Point being is that most people that complain about GDKP are also usually the first ppl to abandon the game as soon as content stagnates.
100% brother
Except for the fact gold buying and bots are a huge problem. Get rid of those, and GDKP is absolutely fine. I think right now they are attacking the symptom, which is GDKP, and the cause is bots and gold selling/buying.
@@jackiechan6460 i personally dont think botting is a problem in sod. Theyve done really well mitigating bots with the month ban on AH for new accounts and all the bot farmed materials basically getting handed to players in sod. If botting is so bad, part of the economy in sod is suffering as a result of bots? As for gold buying, ive play SoD the whole time never quitting and while GDKP has been banned and the player base seems to largely be anti GDKP ; A LOT of these players still buy gold. so my summary is botting is largely a non factor in sod, prove me wrong though im open minded, lastly gold buying and GDKP can interact with each other but gold buying happens on a massive level independant of GDKP which means their interaction with each other isnt really that problematic. the GDKP economy and value will be deemed by the player base not necessarily driven up by gold buying
Agreeing with all the comments below that banning gdkp's is a good thing. I really wish they came out with fresh TBC era realms. All the TBC enjoyers have to wait a year to play that version of the game. If you want to play a horde paladin and alliance shaman, you have no incentive to play the progression realm till December 2025.
"Maybe if they get enough backlash they'll rethink this decision"
Does this apply to your support of the practice as well considering your comment section?
Supporting GDKPs is crazy. The economy in SOD has been reasonably level with the exclusion of them. Most flasks and consumables are reasonably priced, max level crafted items are, mostly, reasonably priced, and even world drops are somewhat affordable. On era you can find random, somewhat rare but nothing crazy, low level boes selling for hundreds of gold. You can’t farm enough for somethings without doing gdkps for money exclusively because everyone who wants to buy their gear upgrades and skip traditional loot systems are pouring gold into the market bought from gold sellers.
The point of banning gdkps isn’t to simply kill gold buying, but to keep people from breaking the game economy by incentivizing buying gold in mass.
SoDs not dead man (Thumbnail.) It's dead to streamers because we have to hype and eat constantly. We follow the hype, Gamers. Fresh is cool .. You have to follow soda, Streamer. Love you man
SoD sounds interesting, I wish they had talked more about that in Warcraft Direct.
I REALLY wish WSG and AB were available at day one. Lower level BG's are one of my favorite memories in Classic Era. Guess I'll be making alts to do lower level BG's with since my main will be 60 before they even drop
We need to know if xfers to era 12 months from now are a thing or not.
This dude is a lover of GDKP’s. Typical streamer mentality. Swipe for your gear!
Well said. Streamers and their flock of sheeps doing anything to get attention via streams.
Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing him as a person but for online ingame mmo mentality.
I mean take people like Sodapoppin or Asmongold, you think they ever need to farm anything?
All they need is to ask in chat or stream "if I only had 200g more I could done X or Y" and 1 min later, he has 400g, kek.
Why ban GDKP? The easy response to that is it’s pay-to-win. You stick around while other players clear the dungeon, you pay, and you get the items. It then becomes harder to find a raiding guild or community. The argument that 'I can't play alts because GDKP is banned' is nonsense. In SoD, the majority of players have tons of alts and raid with them all the time.
Question - is Anything at all from SoD going to be recreated on the new Classic realms? The BFD remake was quite good, and I liked shaman tanking. (I think I know the answer, but I thought I'd see if anyone here can confirm)
Gdkps introduced me to some of the most toxic treatment I've ever seen in the game. Didnt bring 20k gold as a fresh main to a aq20 just in case your bis xbow drops? Must be a fake buyer, remove your cut. Didn't bring 40k gold to an MC for Qsr? Must be a fake buyer remove your cut. Made a mistake during raid? Remove your cut. Let's not forget the ridicule and shaming of posting people's equipment in raid to pressure them to buying and if they can't afford even the most minor upgrade, their gold is cut. Elitists use Gdkps to rob and pressure players who participate in the effort of getting the highest cut. They'll throw anyone under the bus to get a bigger cut. I'm glad its gone. I brought 5k gold to a 2k posted min in aq20 and they said they'd rather d/e the xbow then sell it to me for 5k because I had the audacity to join with so little gold.
I hate the concept of gdkps as they can be run like mafias, however ad a casual player, who plays a rogue on era, i have slim to no chance of raiding naxx as i cannot be consistent as i play 1 day a week, with gdkp i can stleast farm gold all day during the day and then jump on a raid in the evening, people will always have me as i buy... looks like ill have to play a healer to have any chance of getting s group
Banning gdkp will mean that items you would never normally roll on like the raid specific crafting mats, will be the big crowd puller, as these will still garner incintive for bis geared players to join raids that are technically benieth them, as these will be a way of making rare and expensive items and gear to sell for gold, or even just to hock on the auction house as raw crafting mats, it will still be profitable, i think we can manage without gdkp
SoD is not dead it has lots of players and think about it. Has the most potential out of any classic versions to keep going into Classic+ and its been the most fun ive had in wow in a LONG time. Classic Fresh Servers will die after a couple months when people get bored and will have less players. How are they going to change the real problems Ret paladin is useless ENH shaman are low dps etc if they start giving them more utility its just basically a lame version of SoD..............so
Facts brother.
Turtle WOW > SoDisasters
@@victorcarranza2071 meager peasant.
For me, SoD died in the 3rd phase, they did some kind of retail on minimum wages, I play on era, I’ll go play on fresh
So, how is Classic Fresh different from Classic Vanilla? Did they make any changes to the game?
Chronoboon, updated pvp honor system, and gdkp frowny face. Along with mega servers and lfg tool
Also shortening the progression to TBC to 12 months from 18 months is a notable highlight as well.
Banning GDKP's is a good thing. It gets rid of the elite selfishness in the game.
We almost have as many versions of WoW as we have players playing it.
4:25 shows how absolutely little you know. We're still play hc all the way up to cata . it absolutely belongs in tbc and beyond. in fact imo , peak hc is wotlk. they need to fix this.
No WAY should GDKP be allowed, especially not from day 1... Banning them is 100% a good thing for the game
imo only good part about gdkps is that people don't leave. But I think Blizzard found a better solution with extra chests at the end like in SOD right now. Pretty sure this is all to limit the amount of bots, because it's been a plague for classic realms and they know it.
And one thing what they should change in fresh what is most time speding, they should remove world buffs or you cant use them in raids.
The video was going 11/10 until you somehow found a reason to defend and normalize GDKPS, like wtf d00d... How disconnected you must be to think that the average player engages in that non-sense, in fact, GDKPS are a huge factor which alienates the casual player from entering end-game content, since everyone is so juiced up in gear from paying for it, that at some point, it becomes the standard to have "such & such" to just start thinking you can be a part of the experience and compete with everyone else. I get that you're a content creator / streamer, but don't try to be "reasonable" with stances that fuck up the game and encourage pay-to-play v/s investing a ton of hours to compete with those that buy gold !
What is GDKP?
So what, because removing GDKP doesn't completely end gold buying we should just reintroduce the main incentive to buy gold? That's the worst argument I've ever heard in GDKPs defence. GDKP has no place in classic wow. People need to earn their gold and prevent the botters from being able to laundern their gold into the game.
Gdkp ban is the good thing. People may still RMT gold but now they will have less reasons to do it.
it's mindnumbing to me seeing ppl hating on gdkp and not the gold buyers/botters, nor blizzard failing to uphold their own tos
I am enjoying SOD, but if I were to jump into classic would there be more people on the cata one or the new fresh one coming? not sure which one to try out
Everyone knows what news they wanted to hear. Maybe next year.
It’s wild that Blizzard is basically putting SOD on life support and all but gave up on it.
actually they had statements about not shutting the servers down and they are gonna announce stuff soon, so what exactly is on life support? it has the same population as cata, its doing just fine lol
Your argument for GDKP is awful.
GDKPs being banned is terrible. Now all the nerds, especially the dps will be competing with 30 other people to get a piece of gear. Meanwhile, GDKP helps build that gold up so it doesnt take you a hundred years on old resident sleeper content. People will still RMT (buy gold with real money) to buy consumes for raid, afford repairs and buy bis crafted items or drops from AH. People who think this will stop gold buying YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.
most ppl who play classic for nostalgia just want a chill leveling experience and arent interested in GDKP at all. this a win for the casuals, which i think is most ppl anyway.
The majority of players in vanilla classic like gdkps. The “returning players” and “new players” are the only ones that dislike it.
I am one of the only people I know who never bought gold in 2019 Classic, most raiders would just buy gold with irl money and use it to get gear in GDKPs on their alts. Then once their alts were geared they would do carries to make more gold.
They would have an insane amount of gold. And only reinforced the bot problem. I was perpetually broke and didn’t get epic flying until well into Wrath but played from day one in August 2019.
All the death rolling too.. with bought gold.
I only got excited for fresh when I saw they would get rid of GDKPs.