E-Bike Tariff is Here. Now What?
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I wouldn’t mind if the tariffs went towards improving bike infrastructure or helping build manufacturing capacity of bike components in the US, or even federal ebike incentives, but I highly doubt it.
Speaking of cycling infrastructure, I notice the road you’re walking along has a protected bike lane, mostly used by sit-on scooters, but better than what most of the US has.
Good points
Their infrastructure is significantly better than the US overall. The Tariffs are extended in many sectors. So it really has nothing to do with reinvesting this income towards cycling infrastrure unfortunately.
As an American bike builder complete with owned not leased machine shop where I make every component you can imagine, I'm glad. the only reason crap Chinese ebokes are cheap, is because the CCP subsidizes and pays to make sure American craftsmen and shops can't compete in price. Their intention is to destroy American manufacturing power in the private sector. I already have my own form of torrid, when people asked me to fix a Chinese ebike I usually turn them down, I won't give American craftsmanship to people that did not want high standards when they bought their crap coat hanger soft steel frames with pathetic square wave barely functional speed control and floppy loose brake handles and undersized spokes in rear rims that all fail right between 350 to 500 miles.
@@acroduster that's not mass production though. That's a very small scale. We're you able to source components from manufacturers or factories that were domestic?
Also, I think you are conflating cheap products, with all 'Chinese' products. To you, is the iPhone cheap and flimsy? They manufacturer extremely high-quality products out of China. However, they manufacturer extremely cheap junk as well. The issue is what consumers are buying in the US. I agree, there are wayyy too many junk, throw-away quality eBikes in the US from China. However, there are also amazingly nice, high quality eBikes coming from China. I think the issue is, consumers think they can just buy some low-price off-brand (Chinese branded) product and expect it to last and be serviceable. Which it is not.
Like the way they separate car and bike lanes with trees.
They love their citizens.
@@shockadellick They just invest a TON in infrastructure. That's all.
@@shockadellick Long time..
@@shockadellick they love their citizens so much they monitor their every movement, keep women from having more than one baby and gave them a social credit score. Thats love to you? China is a communist country.
These tariffs are ridiculous. Only people suffering from this is the consumer. It’s just quadruple taxation on us. Tax the tax that’s tax.
So the American Govt shouldn't protect American industry and labor? :/
@@daniellarusso8012 how is raising the cost of products in tariffs which is a form of a tax helping American industry. When we don’t make it or produce it anymore but only assemble it. The interest it is helping is the government who is just making more money but having us pay more. Also making business struggle more for the bottom line to assemble the products. Not sure why people don’t understand the difference between fair trade and tariffs (government tax) how does it help American industry to raise the cost on products the industry needs. Almost everything is made somewhere else and assembly here. Tariffs are just a way for governments to tax their people behind the curtains.
@@gearadventures It makes the domestic market competitive, instead of foreign competitors having massive pricing advantages due to dirt cheap labor standards that would be illegal in the US.
The CHIPS Act made huge investments into American technological industry and the jobs that support it - making that investment without protecting it would be boneheaded.
When American consumers choose to support the American producers, the Govt makes exactly no money from the tariffs - so you are objectively wrong to put it bluntly.
Sorry bud. :)
@@daniellarusso8012 If I am wrong than please explain how this tariff is helping the e-bike industry in America? Or a helping E-bike company’s to do better. What materials and parts are made here in America? We are talking e-bikes right? Maybe you should research free market verses tariff. Then maybe you can figure out why our economy is no longer number one. Sorry buddy, I am 100 percent right. History proves it. Might research how tariffs helped the chips you are referring to. You can’t make rules and regulations and taxes so high to do business in America with EPA ect. Print and spend tons of money which drives inflation and cost even higher. Then add tariff tax to even push a deep in trouble economy and failing American business to the break of collapse then complain about it. Tariffs are just another dumb idea over free market. You know when you say government invested you mean the same people they are passing the tariff onto. You want to really help the industry jobs and labor?Don’t shut the country down and go on a spending spree. They are double dipping on us and trying to act like they are doing us a favor. If they want to do a favor let free market work and cut back all these extremely outrageous regulations. While yes we don’t need to dump trash in the ocean. We also don’t need to tax companies and say okay now you can pollute more than others cause we tax you more. If only it was as simple as making things even more expensive with import tax for all of us. This has always been a left verses right ideology until well one person on the right suddenly had to make up money for things like tax breaks and help the government take in more. Tariffs are a back door tax for government on citizens not able to comprehend what is actually happening. I ain’t going to teach simple economics on TH-cam. Just ask Mr. Miyagi.
@@gearadventures There's no tariff on ebikes - there's tariffs on some of the components they use. i.e. battery, motors, chipsets. The Trump tarriffs had some exemptions which are about to expire. Do some research and stop embarrassing yourself.
I'm sorry to see you don't support American industry and labor. :)
Thanks Joe!! They want us to "Go green" but only if their buddies get in on the cash in with certain companies and insider trading.
These are literally the Trump tariffs, lol. Some industries/products were given temporary exemptions and they are about to expire. So don't thank Joe, thank the convicted felon Donald. You can thank Joe for investing heavily in the domestic/US electronic industries and jobs via the CHIPS Act though - that actually is his fault. :)
He stated it was trump that implemented it. The only thing Biden did, well didnt do was block it from happening.
I have to wonder how this will affect some of the high-end E bikes from places like germany. Great job on this video. We all knew it was on its way.
Pretty impressive. Go on location. My hat's off to you, sir
Its a tariff on China. Not Germany
@@tat2zz68 I understand that tariff is on China. But, as the owner of a manufacturing business, I understand the free market is everywhere. When a high percentage of your competition has to increase prices, you absolutely look at that and make adjustments. No my business is not in the E bike industry.
The eCell's owner gave the community a warning and chance to purchase "in stock" bikes. He warned us of a $300 upcharge for the bikes that were not in stock. Even the Wal-Mart online bikes are going to take a pretty good hit on their bottom line. I might have to pull a sneaky behind the wife and ask for forgiveness later. Wish me luck!
Buying mine used, still $500 bucks
But why? I see why batteries must have safety UL certification but I don't see the need for tariffs. So much for the federal government pushing "green" transportation.
Because of money e-bikes are far more common so they will tax and make MORE money off of every bike or whatever
Now is the perfect time to increase the price it’s more common
They want us to go green go electric but they don't want China to own the ev market so they add tariffs to them to sell their cars or bikes over here in the US if they didn't do that then China could sell cars so cheap that no one else would be able to compete and China would own the world even market
The goal is to encourage companies to build bikes and batteries and motors in the US
I bought an e-bike about a month ago that is manufactured in China and won’t make it to US ports for probably 2 more months. I already paid for the bike, but they won’t charge shipping until bike is ready to ship. I bet they will stick me with the 25% tariff charge on top of shipping. So i could be looking at $1,500 just to have my bike shipped to me. This is insanity! And there is a 19% cancellation fee, so they make it pointless to cancel the order as well.
That's not an enviable situation. What bike is it?
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles Ristretto 512 A24. They stopped charging for shipping at purchase a few months ago.
@@BlueMonkeyBicyclesare you able to verify that customers will be billed for the tariffs when the bike reaches US port or even added on to shipping charge? That’s what it appears to me and literally no one is specifying how customers will be charged of they already purchased their bile before tariff was in place.
@@austinmccarty3244 Yeah you will probably be stuck with the tariff. I don't think it's fair to be angry at ristretto, because if you aren't paying it then basically the federal gov is forcing them to sell their bike at a loss. 25% is insane....
Each brand will have to choose. They can pay it, charge the customer, or meet in the middle.
There is no standard or meeting point to find out what each individual brand chooses. Just got to call them up.
I was literally looking at e-bikes to purchase one. And then came across these videos talking about the tariffs. I definitely have stopped looking and will not be buying one. I'll just get another real motorcycle
A 25% price increase puts me out of buying another e-bike ever again!
Building your own has always been a much better option.
@@jthomas5294Again, where do you think all of those conversion kits come from........
I'll give you three guesses...........
_"A 25% price increase puts me out of buying another e-bike ever again!"_ You can always buy a regular bicycle... or buy a motorcycle.
So youre saying you might have to actually exercise to ride a bike? Gasp!
Go American
E-Bike/Moto lanes...the Chinese aren't joking.
Profits are more important than Climate change. Noted.
Climate change is the biggest scam known to mankind, nothing but a tax,tax,tax!
Climate change is a hoax. They want you controlled. Wake up.
Americans are so silly. Complain about all jobs going to China. And then complain when government brigns the jobs back.
The Ebike market is such a mess as it is.
Build your own...
Ha! take a guess where those conversion kits come from, hub motor or mid drive. You still have Tariffs.
@@FirstLast-ml7yf Plus you need to buy quality branded parts and especially batteries. Most of the e-bike battery fires come from cheap generic e-bikes and conversion kits.
It rarely happens with Bosch, Yamaha, Panasonic and similar big reputable brands.
25% is specifically
on the Battery Portion
of the eBike build ! 🤑 !
May be Total Build Price Impact will
be 10% to 12% ? 🤔 ?
no, the entire HTS code for complete eBikes is also 25% tariff.
@@reallifescience2069 sad if correct due to Politics 😥
What about a 1000 watt dual motor scooter?
What about e-bike companies that use Chinese parts, but assemble in the US?
I don’t understand why an American company hasn’t started building these types of bikes. Or have they and I’m just unaware?
Building the bikes and manufacturing all the separate components are two very different things. Many eBike companies are small and US based, Wired, e-Cells and Magnum to name but three. They assemble the bikes, but buy in all or nearly all the components from elsewhere. For eBikes the battery and motor are clearly the two special items, and they usually come from China.
Magnum imports bikes
They do build but the components are 90% chinese
Check out landmoto. Based in Cleveland, Ohio
Because America won’t pay low wages to their employees. These businesses couldn’t afford the work
Great info. This could push some to the DIY builds. 😎
all the DIY parts are also subject to the tariff
Is the intent to reduce the import of Chinese-manufactured batteries? What other options do US-based companies have?
The is will, certainly in the short-term and probably in the long-term, increase the cost of a new e-Bike for the US consumer, and that can only suppress eBike sales, and possibly put some smaller companies out of business.
The battery on my ebike was made in Hungary.
Manufacturers should have known that Chinese made goods were going to get hit with Tariffs. When China invades Taiwan, things will get worse. Manufacturers should move their production to Mexico or the U.S.
More work in Mexico increases their population exponentially and that's just what the United States needs. It's predicted that by 2035 Mexicans will be the majority population in the States.
Or America could just learn to get along and trade with non-vassal states.
Seems like most bike shops cannot afford to overstock e-bikes.
Are you there for an e-bije endeavor, for jounalism, or another reason, Mikey?
US doesn't manufacture ebikes that I'm aware of, so why the tarrifis.
The tariff is just a way for America to make money. Tariffs were how we built the Brooklyn bridge and other big cities prior to the government implementing a federal income tax.
There was a time when no Americans paid a federal tax.
Projects were fully funded by tariffs and bonds often supported by Bank of America.
The government is spending far more than what payroll taxes bring in. The feds are having trouble selling their bonds to other nations now. So, tariffs was the low-hanging fruit to squeeze more money out of the US consumer, who is buying "optional/luxury" items. Such as eBikes.
I think it is humorous on the political scene though. Biden eviscerated Trump for starting these tariffs, and moved to block them the moment he got in office. And now Biden is putting the same tariffs back into play. It is like he forgot all his fiery speeches he gave about the evil of tariffs, and how they are just a direct tax upon the public.
@@mixflipno these tariffs are so China won't be able to sell evs cheaper than anyone else and hold a monopoly on the market. It's designed to promote American businesses to compete
@@MotoAlias it’s actually both
@@mixflip the reason the used tarr9ffs before their were taxes is not the same reason why they use trade tariffs today. You don't know it all dude
good info! Thanks
Question, do conversion kits and parts count for this tariff or is it only complete bikes?
about to go back up to Covid ebike prices
Why get a EBay this year to have to pay insurance on it next year...
That isn't the way business typically works. If the price of gas goes up then the gas sellers don't put their existing gas on sale, they raise the price and make more money.
Obviously the 25% tax exemption was a message to the e-bike manufacturers screaming they are going to have to move production to nearby Asian countries. If they didn't heed that message, then getting slammed with the tariff is the logical outcome.
So I take it that won't apply to Taiwan
People casually buy 35mph bikes & call them e-bikes. That's legally a moped across all 50 states & would be subjected to registration, insurance, etc. Why are people afraid of paying more for doing more?
I think this issues revolves around riders coming to terms with "e-bike" & "pedal-motorcycle". Treat it like a motorcycle/dirt bike & this solves 99% of an individuals concerns.
I'd much rather have a no limit motor, pedals, & be treated like a vehicle, instead of being banned from everything because I act like a motorcycle & don't pay for it.
Consumers always lose in trade wars. The end.
fantastic vid BM!
4:51 im guessing Biktrix,Frey and Luna type bikes
5:01 im guessing Rad, Aventon and Ride one up, maybe even Lectric at this point..
What's with all the motor scooters in the bike lane?
Ubiquitous Chinese transport method
That place has good infrastructure
Ive heard about that probably going to hold on selling my e bike anytime soon
What about parts like hub motors and controllers?
up in price if from china
Is that also why ebike trailers are going up too
Interesting. So RadPower, Lectric might be examples of bikes sold at near cost? It's funny because I don't think Micah and Seth ever discussed that with those companies when they lauded them.
If China manufacturing isn't 25% cheaper than other countries, then business will simply move to Taiwan for example.
Taiwan already has a large bike industry, so it would probably be easy to scale it up
It isn't making sense that,if bikes price goes up then why some company are selling cheap price now?
@@aitathakali2457 they are getting rid of their current stock to increase their customer base and seem like a reliable distributor of that product, so when they do run out of that stock and restock at a higher price customers would be more willing to pay that higher price from a "trustworthy" distributor/company than from one that might be cheaper
Will this apply to E-Scooters also..?
It doesn't really apply to the bikes themselves, but rather the components they use - like the battery, motors, and chipsets.
So to answer your question: yes, it will apply to all things that use these Chinese electrical components. :)
Awesome that’s just we need our transportation costs going up even more well I am sure that there is a 100% possibility that all of this money will be well and strategically spent on all of the important things. Oh that’s right no no it won’t.
Informative, guess the price bump (coming) will be paid for good quality e-bikes.
Yeah ... America can make their own crap... AGAIN.....
So stop buying electric bikes. If you want an Ebike, and you have a bike that you really love to ride, just convert it to a Ebike, with a hub motor kit. I did this back in 2019 and it was easy, and much cheaper then buying a whole new Ebike.
Bro, you need to make sure audio is in stereo before you upload. I can only hear you on the left channel.
hmm , wondering about Canada and Mexico
My left ear loved this video
E-bikes are too expensive I could buy a used motorcycle for the prices on them. $4,000 for a nice brand new e-bike or a used Harley sportster, I know my choice.
Then go buy an effin' motorcycle. Nobody cares.
Why e-bikes only?
There's more, like solar panels
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles does it affect powertools? I have a landscaping biz
CRAP! Well, maybe this tariff will actually have the effect of creating a robust American e-bike industry - or not. This depends on sourcing items like bike frames, motors, etc. from nations OTHER THAN CHINA and, of course, in the US.
Ex. CANNONALE used to make their own aluminum frames. They pioneered this technology.
If you can't compete, put a tarrif on it.
Ya kind of hard to compete with China amd their slave labor.
Someone smart enough should figure out the growth potential of e-bikes and the effect its growth has on the reduction of oil driven automobiles. That should then translate to an easing of the effect carbon has on the green house incentive. This way we can give the
Politicians what they want in reducing the green house deterioration they keep bitching about and they can see a
Positive effect e-bikes sales.
If they can push past their narcissistic behavior, oh the world could be a wonderful place! The sidewalk belongs to the walking pedestrians !
That's an important point - the China trade war started under Trump has continued under Biden. I'm all for made in America, but we need time to gracefully transition stuff back onshore - our national leadership doesn't seem to comprehend that. I'm very much concerned this will only _low_ overall quality. We already have issues with bad/cheap batteries causing fires as well as components not being sufficient for the type of riders that use them.
There it is.. "I'm Mikey G, see you Later.."
No audio ... can't hear a thing. Thankfully captions are working.
Must Be Your end Bro , I can Hear Him Fine
@@briansmythe3000 That's weird because its only this video that has the problem. I just checked again and its still the same, so not sure what is going on. Maybe a codec issue? Thanks for letting me know.
@@nicholasbrus8628 The video's audio is only on the Left side, Right side is muted.
@@briansmythe3000 me too
Sorry guys, I forgot to fix the audio. I'm a bit out of sorts while here in China
Well… 1) ship it through Taiwan, usa recognizes Taiwan as not china, or send it to the phillipines so they ship feom there. EVERYTHING is made in or in part made in china. Maybe if USA companies made affordable ebikes we would by USA , but they dont and/or are very low output built for california requirements where 49 other states are no so restrictive
“EVERYTHING” isn’t made in China. Things made elsewhere would cost a bit less if CEOs and shareholders didn’t skim as much. Greed happens in China too, but the guilty usually end up in jail…or executed!
The auto industry must feel pretty threatened by e bikes to go through all this trouble.
4 people in my office of 15 ride bikes when they don't drive their car. 3 of those are e-bikes. 1 person uses transit, but does not cycle. I believe e-bikes are a MUCH greater threat to transit compared to cars. US transit ridership is down 40% across the country.
@@christopherharmon9336 are you saying transit companies are lobbying against e bikes? Because I think e bikes compete with cars more than they do transit. Cars and e bikes are both end to end modes of transportation.
Who want to ride mass
transit and put up with all the abuse and crime.. Step up your security and maybe you would get more riders. Until then I will ride my regular pedal bike ecause I refuse to be ripped off by Government triple taxing us or ebike manufacturers Over pricing.
@@Thesportyowl No, but I would not be surprised if they do in the future. What would a 5-10% reduction in fare revenue do to the transit network in NYC? I suspect that people who use transit are more likely to commute by e-bike, weather permitting, compared to people who choose to replace a car with an e-bike.
@@christopherharmon9336 Fair point, and I could see that happening in cities with a successful transit system. But I'm thinking about all cities that have crappy transit. There are tons of cities in the US that would be more likely to see an increase in e bike use than transit ridership. Plus, auto manufacturers, and oil/gas companies have way more lobbying power than a local transit authority. After all the tariff is Federal, so auto, oil, and gas companies are going to benefit from cheaper e bikes becoming more expensive.
But we'll see. I see people in the comments mentioning companies will just move. I hope that's what happens so affordable transportation options can be available to people who need it, or willing to give it a shot if it's not too expensive.
E-bikes will burn out just like EVs. Used e-bikes will be the way to go if you want one. I’ll stick will my analog bike.
I'm not sure what you mean by EV burnout
No way, they're selling millions of ebikes right now.
Also not sure what you mean by burnout. Evs don't just "burnout" ebikes are the future you're just stuck in the past.
Whilst you are in China are you going to visit the Tesla factory?
Need Landmoto to make a pedal bike! Just sayin!
More people are happy than, just saying!
Love the scooter lane.
Its only a matter of time before the democratic party finds a way of taxing ebikes
I didn't trust any political party to turn down a new tax.
What about other China made products?
BUILD YOUR OWN. DONT PUT EXTRA MONEY INTO THE POCKETS OF THOSE WHO WANT US ALL TO SUFFER FOR THEIR OWN AMUSEMENT.
And where are all of the components you need for your build your own kit manufactured.......?
@@tconnolly9820 You don't have to pay the extra 25% on components. Only for a full electric vehicle. It's not rocket science.
@@colinriches1519 If that's true then would there be a loophole for importing unassembled bikes as parts instead of complete units?
Instead of say 100 e-bikes in individual boxes, import 100 frames, 100 handlebars, 100 front wheels, 100 batteries, 100 motors and so on and then assemble 100 bikes on delivery?
Has this been forseen and already countered by the legislators?
It will cost the retailers a little more for on site assembly but it would depend on the legalities.
Move the production from China. As a producer, China is a dead end.
Buy a regular bike. Problem solved.
Fine with me! Every Chinese ebike motor, speed controller, and frame I've ever seen, worked on for customers, or built for the rental shop has been a total piece of trash, designed to fail. Buy a Grin motor support a country besides the lying CCP and have better craftsmanship than CCP labor slaves build. Hey, guess what, you could use the nice frame you already have, buy a non Chinese motor and speed controller add a ul listed battery and you would spend less than buying a crap Chinese ebike that will break its spokes in the first 500 miles and most likely burst into flames. And you would end up with a damn nice bike!
I didn't agree that any Chinese made motor will "most likely burst into flames".
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles can you read? I never said motors burst into flames, though I have pics of what Chinese stator windings look like after actually trying to handle 700 watts for 30 minutes, it's not pretty. But you buy and ride what you like. I'll stick with quality components that result in thousands of miles of riding without fiddling with constant minor failures and are actually supported, ever try to acquire a replacement display for a Chinese controller? Ever actually take apart a 3 phase motor? I seriously doubt it.
@@acrodusterjust cuz you buy cheap shit from China doesn't mean that's all they have. My motors from China and rated for 36,000watts never overheats and will run for 10k miles or more haven't seen one burn out yet. Also my Chinese frame handles massive jumps crazy hill climbs, whoops sections, powers through sand like it's nothing.
Trust me I've played with many dozens of their motors, bldc, brushed, internal geared, they are all the same. Shortcuts to be cheap, and again your all not reading what I clearly wrote. Motors are rarely the flame point, they usually burn out windings, and seriously man, 36kw motor on an ebike makes me laugh good and hard. That's great that your happy with it though, I'll still stick with higher quality components made by craftsmen rather than slaves of a communist state.
@@acroduster you're ignorant as fuck. You said your motor burned out at 700watts for 30 min. You're clearly using cheap as shitty garbage. What do you mean I didn't read what you wrote I didn't say motors catch fire. I said burnout, I've personally overheated a motor burned up alot of the windings and blew apart a magnet that seized up the motor and then took a magnet from another motor and the windings from another motor and repaired the motor. We use brushless motors and to prevent magnets flying off again we now use Ipm brushless motors instead of the spm brushless motors. My motors rated for 36,000watts my controller can deliver upto 30,000 watts but right now I'm limited to 8,000watts by my battery. Their are excellent high quality well made products and batteries capable of delivering 30,000watts factory made with safety specs and very safe. The only time i see battery fires are from homemade or altered battery's. People in America are just used to buying the cheap shit from China. Don't misconstrued what I'm saying I'm no fan of communist China but I literally buy and use these products and they're better than anything anywhere else at the moment. Granted they also have cheap shit which you clearly seem to be familiar with.
Why are you walking? Ride a bike. Buy AMERICAN!
That's hard to do in Hangzhou China
Only under Capitalism are cheap ebikes a problem
try electric skateboards!
I'm not above it.
Good. Tariffs are an important part of the global economy.
This is a tax, not a tariff. Tariffs protect fledgling domestic industry for a short time. There is no domestic industry to protect. Biden wants to lose the election.
About dam time. President Trump would have done it a long ass while ago.
He didn't do it at the outset of the trade war.